Dam High Beam FLASHERS

[VKPWR]

Well.... I tell you I am fully at the end of my wits :mad: ..

I have a VX R8 Clubby and drive with the fog lights on and normal lights and they are definitely not high beam... I see plenty of cars with the fog lights on and I have no issues.

But bugger me I constantly get high beamed by motorists to the point of rage beyond belief!!! I can only think its because of the fog lights

Any one have this issue? Are the fog lights like high beam? Buggered if I know but I can’t take it any more... Any ideas???

[Febs]

If the foglights are anything like the ones in the SS, they're a bloody nuisance.

Keep them for the fog mate. Why would you need them in decent weather?

Cheers,
- Febs.

[Tez82]

Yeah I get the same thing with mine when i have them on. But where I live its required the roads a shit, and having foggies on you can see pot holes and crap on the road real easily. But yeah in heavy traffic, turn them off cause they do piss everyone off :)

[Elite SS]

yeah ! I have an idea
Turn YOUR ****FOG*****lights OFF
I don't know why people drive with fog lights on in the middle of the bloody day or in well lit area,
They are bloody bright, but they are useless for long distance, thats why they have HIGH-BEAMS to use .

Nothing persona :doh: l

[bassplayer]

i sometimes have ppl flash their high beams at me too......just makes me flash them back :rolleyes:
check that your fog lights are pointing down & not up into the sky or other drivers' faces. use a wall or something flat to point ur lights at & adjust them down evenly. the light they throw should not hit the ground further away than the low beams.

[XLR8 V8]

check that your fog lights are pointing down & not up into the sky or other drivers' faces. use a wall or something flat to point ur lights at & adjust them down evenly. the light they throw should not hit the ground further away than the low beams.

Excellent point .... the angle of fog/driving lights from the factory is not set correctly (they're just shoved in and left as they sit) so correct adjustment is necessary ..... either that or just turn them off.

[EL2]

Just turn them off. The 'look' was cool several years ago, but these days, it makes you easily identifiable as a wanker.

[seedyrom]

if they are like vx calais 'driving lights' :) then i dont have an issue. They light up only the 2 to 3 metres in front of the car, yet people rant, saying they are blinding them.

They're just jealous they dont have em mate.

(waits for flames)

Oh, and i know people's beef with those blinding ones, but stand in front of a vx and check the spread. The VT's were aimed higher, not sure about VY+

[xshore]

this thread just gave me an idea, in my vt2 ss high beams are awesome, no complaints at all. low beams are crap ! and driving up here in the mountains i reckon i would have to sit on 40 km / hr with lights on low beam so i could see animals within a safe stopping distance. my idea is i think i will angle up my fog lights a little if they are as powerful as people are indicating (but not enough to hit people in the eyes).

just like to also add i dont drive with fog lights on cause i reckon you just look like a wanker (no offence meant to others who do, hmm that doesn't work..) , i dont even think they serve any purpose in fog either, low beams cut it better i reckon.

[Febs]

if they are like vx calais 'driving lights' :) then i dont have an issue. They light up only the 2 to 3 metres in front of the car, yet people rant, saying they are blinding them.

Calais and SS foggies are very different. SS ones (VX onwards) are downright blinding from the factory. Calais ones don't seem to be too bad (certainly not blinding).

That said, I personally don't see the point in decent weather. They light up about 2-3m in front of the car (as you said)...so you will have already run over anything that they helped you see, unless you're doing 5km/h. :lol:

[Ghia351]

But bugger me I constantly get high beamed by motorists to the point of rage beyond belief!!! I can only think its because of the fog lights

Any one have this issue? Are the fog lights like high beam? Buggered if I know but I can’t take it any more... Any ideas???

Simple solution, have someone drive your car towards you with lights on as you say you normally do and you drive their car towards your car and you just might discover what is causing their reaction. If you think about it and claim you're driving with fogs lights on for safety reasons then blinding an oncoming driver actually makes them a hazard to you and themselves which defeats the purpose.

[Highway]

Only use mine in bad weather and at night.Never normally get flashed.

The worst ones seem to be the 4WD's .

The driving/fog lights on the SS's which have the chrome surround seem to
be brighter than the black surrounded ones.

In Sydney lots of people drive with all their lights on.

[alexcs]

the foglights (read: for fog conditions only) from vx onwards are very bright to oncoming traffic, and are jsut not necessary. now the last time i said this i got about 4 red rep marks, but ill say it again: the only reason you guys would have them on during the day and even at night is to look cool. they are actually quite functional in heavy fog, but at all other times useless and also illegal to use.

i know the urge to look a little different is strong sometimes, but think of all the other motorists who are often blinded uncessearily and tell me of a valid reason to have them on in conditions other than fog.

cheers :)

edit: if the reason is for visibility to other motorists, use your low beam during the day. these blind far less than the foglights, and are just as visible.

[seedyrom]

That said, I personally don't see the point in decent weather.

Aaaah, young Febs. I have much to teach you about being a Calais driver. Driving a calais means adopting a mind set of 'im better than you'. Think Homer Simpson when he had Mr Burns' money.
First you need to convince yourself that the car is of bmw build quality, then you should drive around like an ass. Draw attention to yourself and let others think you are a wanker. There is a reason the calais has them and the berlina doesnt.

Join the dark side ... be a jerk. Be a calais driver.

oh, and you HSV boys are included.

[HacketR8]

Just some information from experience of others. I know of a number of people who have actually been booked for driving with there fog lights on both during the day and at night. On checking with my friendly NSW Highway Patrol Office. Yes there is one, and he's a relative, he quoted the following from the "Australian Road Rules" and that this is what you will be charged with if a member of the force takes offence to you having them on.

Rule 219:

"219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users

A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or
in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to
dazzle, another road user.
Offence provision.
Note 1 Driver’s vehicle is defined in the dictionary, and road user is
defined in rule 14.
Note 2 Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle — see the definition
of drive in the dictionary."

Don't shoot the messenger, just stating it as it is.

[gtr355]

i have the same problem sometimes.i think the low beams on my vx ss are so crap.have a look how much difference those foglights do.aren't they actually called driving lights...
just thought id throw that in there

[C4B]

Well I absolutely love seeing wankers with their fog lights on. (why you ask?)

Because I've got a set of HID (gas discharge) driving lights (which quite literally turn night into day). Whenever I strike some tosser driving towards me with their wanker lights on, they get a brief flash of HID to help them reconsider their anti-social behaviour.

Just doing my bit for the community.....................

---On a side note, I've got a mate (a copper) who loves booking the aforementioned wankers for having their fog lights on, gets heaps of them apparently---

[Ricko]

i have the same problem sometimes.i think the low beams on my vx ss are so crap.have a look how much difference those foglights do.aren't they actually called driving lights...
just thought id throw that in there

Read your manual. FOG LIGHTS.

if its not foggy, wanker lights.

You can have them set up as (someone did for me) with a diode inline between the foggy relay and the high beams, so the fog lights come on and off with high beam, and they still work independantly.

[Mozz]

VT2SS has glass headlights - might be worth upgrading to 100/90w or one of the +50 type bulbs instead

[Febs]

Aaaah, young Febs. I have much to teach you about being a Calais driver. Driving a calais means adopting a mind set of 'im better than you'. Think Homer Simpson when he had Mr Burns' money.
First you need to convince yourself that the car is of bmw build quality, then you should drive around like an ass. Draw attention to yourself and let others think you are a wanker. There is a reason the calais has them and the berlina doesnt.

Join the dark side ... be a jerk. Be a calais driver.

oh, and you HSV boys are included.

:lol: Gold mate, gold. :lol:
I don't think I fit the mould. I think I'm one of the few Calais owners who insists "It's a bloody Commodore." :p


Just doing my bit for the community.....................

:thumbsup:
Good on ya. :)


J---On a side note, I've got a mate (a copper) who loves booking the aforementioned wankers for having their fog lights on, gets heaps of them apparently---

No problems there, it is illegal after all.

[Elite SS]

"Seedyrom" I think your in thre wrong club mate, attitudes like that belong with the VOLVO & CAMERY owners club, please go back there... :rolleyes:
"C4B" I like your style..... :D

[Hammer]

i do use my fog lights... buy only in conjunction with my parkers...
but if i cruise out bush ways in the clubbie i use the foggies with normal lights to see on the sides of the road (mine are pointed downwards and to the outsides) so i can see kangaroo's if i go out bush

[Ghosn]

I must be a wanker :)

[VooDoo]

:lol: Gold mate, gold. :lol:
I don't think I fit the mould. I think I'm one of the few Calais owners who insists "It's a bloody Commodore." :p



:thumbsup:
Good on ya. :)



No problems there, it is illegal after all.

Wait till you drive a caprice :stick:

You can do anything and the cops leave you alone. In fact, do a bit of a skid and the car next to you gets pulled over. Not that i know of any caprices that do anything illegal :D

[smoke]

I cant see how the driving/fog lights on the stato could dazzle an oncoming vehicle, maybe if i had a 6'' lift kit :lol: i also have been told my the police that i can be booked for using them. Apparently it can be "confusing to other drivers when they see multiply lights on a car at night", so if my lights confuse you or dazzle you.......... :booty: PLUS my lights illuminate when i indicate to turn corners, am i breaking the law??????

[my_Berlina]

The big difference between the fog lights and low beam is that the low beam have a cut-off below
horizontal, where as fog lights don't. So while you may think that the fog lights are not brighter than
your low beam, so they should be alright. You are wrong because what matters is the component of the
light above the horizontal and there is a huge difference there.

Simple answer, turn them off unless it is foggy. It's a legal requirement, it shows some respect/courtesy
for other drivers, you won't get flashed by all those other drivers.

Dave !

[Brendan]

aren't they actually called driving lights...

If they were classed as driving lights then they would have to be wired so as to only come on with high beam - sorry, no cigar.


But bugger me I constantly get high beamed by motorists to the point of rage beyond belief!!! I can only think its because of the fog lights

RACV are running their "Lighting week" from 18-25 June and are providing free lighting checks at RACV service centres. www.racv.com.au (http://motoring.racv.com.au/racvm/whichcar/bestbuysarticle.cfm?ID=5E242EE1-DD9C-4318-916E4D836CA727D6)

Maybe pop in and get yours checked, they might just be misaligned. I know I'll be taking mine in to be checked as I haven't had them aligned since my car was lowered which changed the body angle.

[seedyrom]

Maybe you whingers and tree huggers are right. And whilst we are all joining hands under the rainbow, I have another flag for you fly.
What about all those WANKERS who pour disgusting non-ADR compliant emissions into the atmosphere. They get illegal modifications done to their cars knowing that their are breaking the law.
The problem is their wanker behaviours lasts a lot longer than light pollution. They destroy the lungs of everyone they pass, and their fumes ruin the environment and contribute to the 'green house effect'. Not to mention the safety issue they pose to ordinary drivers.
They are drivers with modified PCM's.

We should stamp them out !!!

Come on whingers !!! LETS MARCH ON PARLIAMENT !!!!


(also see lowered suspension, or too large rims, or faulty tail lights, or too loud an exhaust or any number of defectable items that you may or may not know are present on your vehicle).

Yes there is a point to this post, and it is about glass houses. You shouldnt be yelling at someone for illegal behaviour, when you are doing it yourselves.

[C4B]

Maybe you whingers and tree huggers are right. And whilst we are all joining hands under the rainbow, I have another flag for you fly.
What about all those WANKERS who pour disgusting non-ADR compliant emissions into the atmosphere. They get illegal modifications done to their cars knowing that their are breaking the law.
The problem is their wanker behaviours lasts a lot longer than light pollution. They destroy the lungs of everyone they pass, and their fumes ruin the environment and contribute to the 'green house effect'. Not to mention the safety issue they pose to ordinary drivers.
They are drivers with modified PCM's.


That's an excellent arguement with only one (fairly major) problem. You see getting a car dyno tuned (ie. getting your PCM modified) in 99% of cases actually improves the emissions compared to the standard tune (which is often too rich).

So you'll find that all these "wankers" who have had their car edited are pouring less emissions into the admosphere than those poor deluded souls who think they are doing their bit for the environment by leaving their car stock. :lol:

[Veeate]

If having my fog lights on is the worst crime i commit in my life time i am comfortable with that.

People have the right to flash their lights at me. And i reserve the right to ignore them.

I see all types of cars with their fog lights on and never once has any of them blinded me or caused me any issues.

Each to their own. I don't care if i break the law. Won't be the first or the last time.

[VKPWR]

RACV are running their "Lighting week" from 18-25 June and are providing free lighting checks at RACV service centres. www.racv.com.au (http://motoring.racv.com.au/racvm/whichcar/bestbuysarticle.cfm?ID=5E242EE1-DD9C-4318-916E4D836CA727D6)

Maybe pop in and get yours checked, they might just be misaligned. I know I'll be taking mine in to be checked as I haven't had them aligned since my car was lowered which changed the body angle.


cheers, and sure will...

[fatas]

Wait till you drive a caprice :stick:

You can do anything and the cops leave you alone. In fact, do a bit of a skid and the car next to you gets pulled over. Not that i know of any caprices that do anything illegal :D
yes mate you can do any thing and get away with it just the other day i went a little to fast and the guy i was passing got pulled over plod did u turn and thats when i think ok im gooone only under 15 kmh put he went passed me and smiled and pulled over xr6t now that is gold gold gold :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Avalanche]

:box: ok good thread, interesting points. I havnt even looked at the avalanche foggies to see where the adjustment is but i tend to use mine at night on country roads as they give a wide view of the sides of the road which in turn gives me a heads up on wildlife. I see there are fines for dazzling other road users but i am yet to see an offensive set of foggies at night or day. The other thing is with my car being the colour it is i would like to have them on all the time as parkers & low beam dont stand out much during the day and i could easily blend into the road colour. Another point is if the person coming the other way is flashing at you on a country road, day or night at least you know they are AWAKE. I dont have my foggies on all the time but when i deem it gives me a safety advantage, fine or not they are on. I would rather see the introduction of daytime running lights DRL,s instead of foggies, they have them in europe, & i thought they would be here by now as i read an article a couple of years ago that said they were thinking of introducing thenm in aus. But if you only have them on for the look, well then i hope your hand doesnt slip off & hit the toilet door. :booty:

[SSBarney]

Since someone said u can only use them in inclimant weather...
We are all safe using driving lights in Melbourne...
... permanently inclimant weather. :D

Barney

[VX2VESS]

one of these thread starts about once a year, gets big and nasty and closed then eventually deleted.

NSW illegal to use unless bad weather, so if you shine in in a cops face expect a fine.

However i'm all for running lights that don't blind oncoming cars.

[C4B]

They should introduce "Anti Fog Light" laws like the anti hoon laws.

The first time you get caught, they impound your car for 24 hours.

The second time you get caught they impound your car for 48 hours and make you watch episodes of "The Bill" for the whole 48 hours.

The third time you get caught they take your car, make you sleep with your mother in law, and make you drive a fully riced 4 banger for the rest of your life. (Or you could choose lethal injection!)

[fekason]

I find it interesting that those who do generally claim that other people doing it has never irritated them. Those that don't seem to say it does irritate them.

I know that I have been irritated by fog lights in good weather day and night. They do not have a prism cut-out at around the horizontal like low beams. They are distracting to at least a significant proportion of drivers.

However, this is a free country. If you want to make a periodic donation to my friendly State revenue service, please feel free to do so. I can live with that.

[SteveK]

Guys,
I live in an area where they breed 'tools' like Bunnies at Bunnings and they drive around with their highly 'spoiled' concoctions of fords and commodores you're likely to see. And ALL of them drive around with their "fog" lights on. To be honest, I have never come across a car that has 'dazzled' me with their fog lights on. I try and I try to see what all the fuss is about and I just don't see anything wrong with it, it just doesn't annoy me.

Flame suit on - Has it become a case now of people 'reacting' each time they see someone with their foglights on rather than any actual impact on them? I'm just posing a question here.

I know with myself I react all too often when people tail-gate me but then half the time it's not intentional and not as close as I assume it was. Like I said, just a knee-jerk reaction first without any rationale.

Cheers,
Steve

[SSFreak]

Guys,
I live in an area where they breed 'tools' like Bunnies at Bunnings and they drive around with their highly 'spoiled' concoctions of fords and commodores you're likely to see. And ALL of them drive around with their "fog" lights on. To be honest, I have never come across a car that has 'dazzled' me with their fog lights on. I try and I try to see what all the fuss is about and I just don't see anything wrong with it, it just doesn't annoy me.

Yeah, me too. I have only ever had my fog lights on once - it was actually foggy. But I see dozens of cars every day and night with their foggies on and have never been dazzled. Maybe I'm having a micro-sleep when they drive past. :)

[amckiwi]

I wonder if these people cleaned their windscreens / spectacles the fog may dissapear

Those little hyundais r especialy annoying at night from behind

[bassplayer]

wow. it didnt take long for this thread to take off since yesterday!
i still think we should check the angle of our fog/driving lights regularly & make sure they are pointing DOWN & not out to the side or further into the distance than low beams. ive got mine lighting up the road between the low beam spread & the front of the car, so as to not blind other drivers.
my kit is aftermarket & so are my fog/driving lights & they are wired up to my low beams so i cannot turn them off. i live in the hills & drive daily on many roads that are badly lit & i dont think my lights are 'too' bright or 'blinding', i think the few ppl who do 'flash' me just see the 4 lights coming towards them & think that it must be high beams...either that or theyre jelous. :booty:

[downbylaw]

If having my fog lights on is the worst crime i commit in my life time i am comfortable with that.

People have the right to flash their lights at me. And i reserve the right to ignore them.

I see all types of cars with their fog lights on and never once has any of them blinded me or caused me any issues.

Each to their own. I don't care if i break the law. Won't be the first or the last time.

Spot on mate couldnt agree with you more!!!!!!
The lights that blind me when driving are the 4x4 that sit right at eye level!

[SteveK]

The lights that blind me when driving are the 4x4 that sit right at eye level!

Or those older cars with bad suspension, fully loaded in the rear so the front of the car is pointing skyward. They're the ones that blind you, even without high-beams or fog lights.

Steve.

[Mongy]

WOW, it's Groundhog day again. :lol:

I look at it this way, foglights, they are for seeing in fog. We all know SS (or Holden) foglights are usually brighter than other foglights. If somebody flashes there high beam at you, it means either there is a hazzard ahead, or your bright lights are annoying them, if there is no hazzard it leaves only 1 thing. It just depends on how much you like annoying your fellow motorists as to whether you turn them off or leave them on.

[bassplayer]

i think some ppl must think that 4 lights = hi-beams.....its not til they flash u that they soon realise what the actual high beam is like ;)
ive noticed that a lot of taxis drive around with their hi-beams on which is annoying...not to mention the spot lights on the sides of their cars

[C4B]

i think some ppl must think that 4 lights = hi-beams.....its not til they flash u that they soon realise what the actual high beam is like ;)
ive noticed that a lot of taxis drive around with their hi-beams on which is annoying...not to mention the spot lights on the sides of their cars

Nobody would think that having 4 lights on meant you had your hi-beams on, its just that it's bloody annoying because they are almost never adjusted properly and they are often very bright to oncoming traffic.

So you'll find them flashing is telling you that they are annoying and that you should turn them off.

[bassplayer]

mate ive posted twice before saying the importance of adjusting the lights so they point down & not up into the trees or out to the side. i think the angle of some ppls fog lights is more of a problem

[C4B]

This thread has gone on long enough, I'm closing it!

(oh shit.......I keep forgetting I'm not a moderator!)

[OzJavelin]

I'd rather have EVERYONE drive about with their foglights on, rather than the tools who drive about in dark coloured cars at dusk without ANY lights. The old, "I can see them so they should be able to see me" concept .. Sorry, but doesn't work like that .. dark skyline, dark background, dark road, dark car ..

BTW: I don't have foglights .. I just wish Holden would put better low beams on standard cars. For *ALL* their misgivings, AUs had great low beam light (must have been those ugly, bulging headlights?)

Rod.

[VQ304]

wanker lights

That's what I think :lol:

I flash people who have fog lights on for no reason. If they don't turn them off, and nobody else is around, I'll switch my high beams on while driving towards them. They asked for it, not my problem.

[Mongy]

rather than the tools who drive about in dark coloured cars at dusk without ANY lights.
Rod.
Try driving a purple car, people don't see it in the daylight either :lol:

[VKPWR]

That's what I think :lol:

I flash people who have fog lights on for no reason. If they don't turn them off, and nobody else is around, I'll switch my high beams on while driving towards them. They asked for it, not my problem.


Did they ask for it??? Or are you just asking for a :box: by high beaming like a wanker :lol:

[stingred]

:booty: hang on il just go & get the sorbo. because i must be the biggest & best wanker around . mine are quite dull & i use mine allmost all the time day ,night , whenever. i agree that some of the late model cars are very bright & can piss some people off but if you have them on during the day i cant see what the big deal is , i know that if a car is comming toward me with there lights on during the day im gona see them more clearly & thats gotta be a good thing . & as for the illegal thing ive never had a problem with them & ive never been flashed , & to tell you the truth i couldnt give a flying f$#k what anyone thinks & nor should anyone else (as long as they are not to bright) im goin back to my sorbo know.

[OzMystic]

Well.... I tell you I am fully at the end of my wits :mad: ..

I have a VX R8 Clubby and drive with the fog lights on and normal lights and they are definitely not high beam... I see plenty of cars with the fog lights on and I have no issues.

But bugger me I constantly get high beamed by motorists to the point of rage beyond belief!!! I can only think its because of the fog lights

Any one have this issue? Are the fog lights like high beam? Buggered if I know but I can’t take it any more... Any ideas???

I experienced the same problems. In the VT I never got flashed with the spots on. In the VX a different story. I was continually gettign flashed. They must be set at a different angle. I just don't turn them on anymore..

[alexcs]

yeah i mean at the end of the day its personal choice. i guess all some of us are sayign is, you come off looking like a wanker more often than fully tabouli. if thats what youre aiming for, no worries.

btw the vt foggies arent an issue, they arent that bright. its mainly the ss vx-vz that are non directional and very dazzling.

its not really surprising the attitude of dont give a ****. respect for one another has gone out the window, replaced with a heavy case of me-me-me :)

[Holden Nut]

Why do you people that have them turn them on anyway when it is NOT foggy...wouldn't the concept of FOG lights be to use them when it is actually FOGGY?

[Scud]

That's what I think :lol:

I flash people who have fog lights on for no reason. If they don't turn them off, and nobody else is around, I'll switch my high beams on while driving towards them. They asked for it, not my problem.

The last moron who did that to me ended up playing chicken with me and LOSING.

I can't believe how emotive this topic always is. FFS what ever happened to personal choice? I do not and never will accept that fog lights can "blind" other road users during the day. If poorly aligned fog lamps dazzle you at night and you feel the need to flash your high beams then go for it. However, as someone who does a lot of night driving, the number of cars going around with either excessively bright or poorly aligned low beam headlights I think people are looking off mark.

[OzJavelin]

My SV8 is ex-Telstra (like me), so it's hardwired with daylight-running headlights. Some people get all sh!tty about me driving about with headlights on during a bright sunny day, but I think it's good (for the moment). In those split seconds when people fly up to an intersection and are about to cross it, they see the lights rather than a silver shape of the car. [ Doesn't stop people running into it in car parks though!! ]
While it's uncommon for cars to have daylight-running lights I'll keep mine .. it makes the car standout to people who only casually watch the road while driving. So, again, I'm not opposed to people driving with fog lights ..

[alexcs]

use headlights then! theyre aimed so that they dont blind or annoy other drivers, whereas the vx-vz ss foglights do both of these things.

but once again, personal choice.

[stealthvz]

I dno't think it's the fog lights that most people are flashing at,
I get flashed quite a bit, without my fog lights on.
I think it's the halogen lights on the VZ's and earlier clubbies and calais's etc,
the halogen seems to flash while going over bumbs etc..
It use to piss me off before I got my ute!

[VYBerlinaV8]

For crying out loud - fog lights are annoying to a large percentage of the driving public, me included. Don't rant about other illegal stuff - the idea is to keep a low enough profile that we DON'T become a target for bored coppers. Remember, the more "LOOK AT ME" your ride is, the more you will get hassled. If performance car drivers are more proactive in being SEEN to do the right thing, it helps our cause.

Save the fog lights for bad weather. Don't be a wanker. :bash:

[Devil CV8]

I can't believe how emotive this topic always is. FFS what ever happened to personal choice? I do not and never will accept that fog lights can "blind" other road users during the day. If poorly aligned fog lamps dazzle you at night and you feel the need to flash your high beams then go for it. However, as someone who does a lot of night driving, the number of cars going around with either excessively bright or poorly aligned low beam headlights I think people are looking off mark.
Exactly. Besides, all it means is your car has been noticed and that person isn't going to run into you.
I do lots of night driving, and the biggest problems are other cars not dipping their high beam, not the numerous foglights I see. (must admit, some of the 4 lighters coming at me look weird, but no way would I class them as dazzling)

If me driving with my fog lights on when driving on rural roads at night causes an issue, or due to me leaving my foggies on after exiting fog, then I suggest people be more concerned with all the poorly adjusted lights, people driving on high beam because one of their low beams are out, or any number of other annoying things out on the road.
BTW, when I get flashed, I flash straight back.

[james2]

i do use my fog lights... buy only in conjunction with my parkers...
but if i cruise out bush ways in the clubbie i use the foggies with normal lights to see on the sides of the road (mine are pointed downwards and to the outsides) so i can see kangaroo's if i go out bushSame here have just returned from a trip to Adelaide, Roo's all the way. Have the spots set to light up the sides of the road ,very helpful in that they do fill in a good sized area on the side.

[Elite SS]

Maybe you whingers and tree huggers are right. And whilst we are all joining hands under the rainbow, I have another flag for you fly.
What about all those WANKERS who pour disgusting non-ADR compliant emissions into the atmosphere. They get illegal modifications done to their cars knowing that their are breaking the law.
The problem is their wanker behaviours lasts a lot longer than light pollution. They destroy the lungs of everyone they pass, and their fumes ruin the environment and contribute to the 'green house effect'. Not to mention the safety issue they pose to ordinary drivers.
They are drivers with modified PCM's.

We should stamp them out !!!

Come on whingers !!! LETS MARCH ON PARLIAMENT !!!!


(also see lowered suspension, or too large rims, or faulty tail lights, or too loud an exhaust or any number of defectable items that you may or may not know are present on your vehicle).

Yes there is a point to this post, and it is about glass houses. You shouldnt be yelling at someone for illegal behaviour, when you are doing it yourselves.


For an LS 1 Owner you sound very negative about everything we stand for here , LS I Edit, lowering, pollution reg.
So you go to WSID to tell all the Drivers about polution & ADR Laws or do you go there to enjoy other car Enthusiast,s and their Modified cars, Drags (Damaging the OZONE Layer) Burnouts. etc.
Sorry Dude, you seriously sound like a Camery Owner... :lol:

No offence intended

[EVL350]

whoops.i cant work out how to delete this one :bash:

[EVL350]

fog likes have a 'lookatme' factor that some people enjoy, fairenough if its foggy and visability is poor.
allthough they are so piss weak that generally they wont enhance what you can see anyway.
Its allways amazed me why people use them in the city its annoying, gets in your mirror and they scream poofter lol
ive only recently got a car equiped with the things and happy to say they dont get used :)

[spaceman347]

The other thing is with my car being the colour it is i would like to have them on all the time as parkers & low beam dont stand out much during the day and i could easily blend into the road colour.
Sorry Avalanche, but you're in a 2 tonne vehicle (it ain't a small car), it's daytime, and you have your parkers and low beams on... you don't blend into the road mate, trust me. If you're really concerned about blending into the road maybe you could fit some underbody neons :p

[GTS215i]

Its funny how on a bright sunny day, you only see Holden drivers with there foggies on...and besides them, in Melbourne the Telstra cars and vans who have there parkers on 24/7.

It does attract attention but at least i worn't get to miss any nice rides going past :D

I dont find them distracting at all, anyone who does needs to lighten up a bit....

[xcapee]

hehe i thought the fog lights were a holden driver's trademark ! like an extra badge!

[seedyrom]

For an LS 1 Owner you sound very negative about everything we stand for here , LS I Edit, lowering, pollution reg.
So you go to WSID to tell all the Drivers about polution & ADR Laws or do you go there to enjoy other car Enthusiast,s and their Modified cars, Drags (Damaging the OZONE Layer) Burnouts. etc.
Sorry Dude, you seriously sound like a Camery Owner... :lol:

No offence intended

Whoa! Genius in operation. I know they say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but that's why i thought you'd get it.

I don't go out to WSID to enjoy modified cars, i go there to laugh at those guys laying down 14+ second passes. :p

This isnt a personal attack, just my natural internet debate diplomacy and tact.

In my 11 years of driving in sydney peak hour, i've never been 'dazzled' by a foglight. poorly aimed HID and other xenon gas bulbs on the other hand get me every night. What are you mensa wannabees going to do with them once you've rid the world of the imaginary foglight problem?

:closesthread:

[Elite SS]

I suppose we all had them on when they first came out, it was like hay ! look at me I've got spot lights too....
whats going to be next , back to fluffy dice hanging off the mirror..... :rolleyes:

[seedyrom]

whats going to be next , back to fluffy dice hanging off the mirror..... :rolleyes:

YEAH BABY!!!!
24K gold ones for voodoo

[motomk]

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