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Kirium
02-06-2005, 12:03 PM
The brakes go on in speed-cut plan
By MICHELLE PAINE
02jun05

TASMANIA'S speed limits will be slashed statewide under a radical overhaul proposed by the State Government yesterday.

Country road speed limits will drop from 100km/h to 90km/h, highways from 110 to 100km/h and remaining 60km/h zones will become 50km/h zones.

If the plan comes into force, the Brooker Highway speed will cut to 70km/h and there will be 40km/h zones passing all education institutions.

Some 100 speed zones will drop to 60km/h and unsealed rural roads will have 40km/h slashed from their speed limits, to 60km/h.

Infrastructure Minister Bryan Green said two years of work into speed zones, crash statistics and international research supported the sweeping changes.

Mr Green opened the proposal to public comment yesterday.

He said hundreds of lives and an estimated $12 million would be saved every year from the ground-breaking reforms.

"A number of options are presented for each of the 12 areas of possible change," Mr Green said.

"But the areas that will have greatest safety impact are changing rural roads to 90km/h and changing the remaining 60 zones to 50.

"The number of Tasmanian lives saved from these initiatives could be similar to the impact caused by the introduction of seat belts in 1973 and speed cameras in 1992.

"The reforms proposed have the potential to reduce the deaths on our roads, but we want to know what Tasmanians think about the ideas before we go ahead and do anything."

Mr Green said all roads couldn't be five-star.

"As much as we`d like to, we can't improve every road in the state to five-star standard."

He said half of the fatal crashes last year and one-third of casualty crashes were in 100km/h zones. The next worst figures were in 60km/h zones.

Mr Green said outstanding results from the 50km/h zone changes confirmed benefits.

In the first year there were 63 fewer casualty crashes than the previous year. In the second year there were 143 fewer.

A leading accident researcher has praised the speed-cut plan.

Ian Johnston, director of the Monash University Accident and Research Centre, said evidence worldwide was clear that reductions slowed drivers.

Professor Johnston, who appears on road safety ads screened in Tasmania, said all drivers knew there was a "tolerance" level before they would be booked -- behaviour that had to be taken into account.

"In urban areas the result is very powerful. The Victorian experience is extremely clear-cut. It reduced from 60 to 50 and reduced the tolerance and there was a dramatic difference," Prof Johnston said.

"People know they don`t get prosecuted much below 70 in a 60 zone, they see driving at 67 as behaving legally.

"When you reduce the limit, everybody's behaviour changes. The bad drivers drop back too."

He said only fully-divided dual-carriageway highways deserved a 110km/h limit.

"The blanket 100 on the rest is generally speaking too high: 90 is much better."

But Prof Johnston said a high quality road with a low limit would hurt credibility.

Royal Automobile Club of Tasmania chief engineer Doug Ling criticised the plan as a knee-jerk reaction.

Mr Ling said many accidents were a result of people driving too fast for the section of road or conditions -- even if they were under the official limit.

He said reducing 80km/h to 70km/h on the Brooker would reduce the capacity of the highway, which was high standard.

"For people who drive above the limit, dropping by 10 will have no effect on them. The Government also should be using more advisory speed signs," Mr Ling said.

"It's about having safer drivers in safer vehicles on safer roads, a total systematic approach. We don't believe more enforcement and greater fines will modify people's behaviour.

"We believe this is sending the wrong message. People should be driving safely for the conditions."

Road Safety Task Force chairman Paul Hogan said reducing 100km/h zones was vital.

"Certainly this package does have the potential to influence a reduction in the road toll, there's no question about that," Mr Hogan said.


That's s h i t... :(

I predict revenue will go up, the road toll won't change and there will be public backlash regardless..

Merlin
02-06-2005, 12:11 PM
from the ground-breaking reforms.


puuullleeeessee ground-breaking? :rolleyes:

wow what an initiative!



The number of Tasmanian lives saved from these initiatives could be similar to the impact caused by the introduction of seat belts in 1973 and speed cameras in 1992.

There has never been a proven positive impact that speed camera's save lives. :)

OzJavelin
02-06-2005, 12:41 PM
P.C. garbage. Another effort where govt's seem to think they need to save us from ourselves. But, often people ask for it. When a loved one dies in a road accident we often cry "what is the govt doing to stop this!?" More often than not, that person died when someone (them or another car) was driving at 140km/h in a 80km/h zone, in the rain on bald tyres. We are always looking to shift blame, so that individuals are not responsible .. so the govt comes up with hairbrained ideas like this. I agree that all roads are not "five star", but that's a component any driver should take into account every time they get bahind the wheel. The speed limit is a MAXIMUM speed. If the road is bad enough, most drivers will (should) drive slower than that. I live in regional Vic and a lot of roads here are crap, I won't drive at 100km/h on them. But if you drop the speed on ALL of them to 90km/h that's just stupid. What's next? Have someone walking in front of every car with a red flag as a caution? Go back 100years?

Rod.

BakerSS
02-06-2005, 12:43 PM
any one got a link to the article?
does it say when this crap is likely to be enforced?

Im from tassie originally, been in melb for just over 4 years... I am really looking forward to going back to tassie in dec to drive around for a week and go to a mates wedding, these crappy new laws if brought in will lower my excitement..
Any of the tassie members heard anything about this?

team illucid
02-06-2005, 01:05 PM
I am from Tas myself ... what a load of bollocks ... when will Gov learn that the road toll will NEVER EVER be 0 ... face it ... too many people are so busy watching their speedo now to make sure they are not 2-5 K over the limit and are watching the road less because of it ...

lxhatch
02-06-2005, 01:24 PM
hmm...when is the next state election for Tassie?

ROGUE
02-06-2005, 01:51 PM
that is pure bull shite.

tassie has some of the best roads i\'ve ever driven. not to mention the quality of the roads down there being some of the best in australia.

you\'ve only got to look at speeds they reach on the targa to realise that!

driving in tassie isn\'t going to be as enjoyable anymore....

time to realise they need to get rid of shite cars, and upgrade the roads to stop deaths...

dean
02-06-2005, 03:12 PM
Yep the Terrorcrats are at it again :rolleyes:

flappist
02-06-2005, 04:25 PM
The biggest worry with this is:

If the road toll goes up then it will be because everyone is speeding and therefore the limit should be lowered and more speed cameras installed.
If the road toll goes down then it lowering it even more will save more lives and more speed cameras will be needed.
If nothing changes then the limit should be lowered and more speed cameras installed.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. I once owned a green car, it used lots of petrol. I will never buy a green car again coz every one I have ever owned used lots of petrol.........

There is a simple fix. Johnny and the boys deduct any income from speed cameras from the grants to the states. In that they will not make money anymore they will find new ways to fleece us.

Of course this will never happen but one can always dream.

Now the paranoid conspiracy theory...

Q) If you wanted to try a stunt like this where would you do it?
A) In the most left wing, greeny voting tree hugging state.......

Apologies to all our Taswegian bretheren who are not left wing greeny nutcases (and I do mean both of you)..... /sarcasm

Ghostdriver
02-06-2005, 04:50 PM
The solution is simple.

Vote them out.

Greenies vote as a block. So should motorists. Look at their road policies, and who they have as transport minister. If you don't like what you see, vote against it.

tbearz
02-06-2005, 04:53 PM
I am also from tasmania. The politicians down here have got to be the worst i have ever seen, none of them, qoute none of them know what they are doing they all have "advisers". Personally i think they are bloody idiots. Oh and the look on the transport ministers face when he was talking about this "revolutionary" piece of legislation/crap was one of wow i am smart, he was saying it with a smug look on his face. Oh well, another thing the mainland can bag us about apart from having 3 heads now we can only drive at 100...sigh

xshore
02-06-2005, 04:56 PM
"In urban areas the result is very powerful. The Victorian experience is extremely clear-cut. It reduced from 60 to 50 and reduced the tolerance and there was a dramatic difference," Prof Johnston said.

please explain why road tolls and pedestrians getting hit are going up prof small johnston ??? I wish he would throw in some evidence of this and not statistics that can be made in favour of his point. 70% of statistics are made up, and 80% of people know that.

Kirium
02-06-2005, 05:54 PM
any one got a link to the article?
does it say when this crap is likely to be enforced?


It's on the front page of todays Mercury... You think i cooked up all that crap on my own?? :lol: Not likely...

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5013478,00.jpg

The brakes go on in speed-cut plan (http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15481756%255E921,00.html)

O5BRKY
03-06-2005, 08:28 AM
Is Steve Bracks and the Vic Goverment taking over Tassie now????

tbearz
03-06-2005, 03:15 PM
Is Steve Bracks and the Vic Goverment taking over Tassie now????

depends is his goverment full of idiots too?

Ghostdriver
03-06-2005, 04:57 PM
depends is his goverment full of idiots too?

Might I recommend you read up on a character called Peter Bachelor.

Let's just say that in "Bachelorworld" cars are banned and everyone catches one of his trains and we all toddle about and do exactly what we're told.

Because we wouldn't want anyone to be so irresponsible as to drive at 103km/h or have anything that even vaguely resembles fun.