VZ: Hold Off or Buy?

[GH1967]

I'm at crunch time. I can almost smell the leather in my new Devil Yellow Monaro I'm that close to buying it.

However, I'm hearing rumours of:

* Big price reduction/offers coming
* LS 2 version not far off
* Whole new version possibly coming late this year/early next year

What to do what to do!

I fear it's one of those situations that if I do hold off I'll be always holding off because Holden is famous for endless versions of their cars thus making "new" models redundant sometimes less than a year after their release.

Based on what you know, would you buy a Monaro VZ now or wait a while longer and see what Holden are up to? Are there any confirmed reports of a new Monaro version within the next year or so?

[pagey]

I know nothin!!! but... I would be gutted if I bought and soon after the LS2 version came out.. :)

[markone2]

I'm at crunch time. I can almost smell the leather in my new Devil Yellow Monaro I'm that close to buying it.

?

If funds permitted I would be living and breathing the smell of that new leather...yesterday

I believe all three rumours were active and circulating this time last year..... ;) .

[VooDoo]

That was before some LS2 monaro's actually rolled off the line in SA. Im hanging for a LS2 Caprice myself :D

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

tough choice, I would probably wait and see for the LS2, because when it does come out you will have the choice of an LS2 monaro or a very cheap run out LS1 monaro. Probably best to wait, it will be hard but I think it will be worth it in the long run. Plus you never know, waiting may even give you the last of the monaros as well if its true they are discontinuing them when the VE comes out.

[GH1967]

I know its hard to guess but what sort of timeframe are we talking before we see LS2 Monaros? 6 months? Another year? 2 years?

Are you 100% certain LS2 Monaros are coming?

[Aus8]

LS2 is just around the corner now. I have just sold my LS1 for a good price before the LS2 is available. I remember the nasty things the LS1 did to the 304's resale value. Hanging out for a 6L SS ute!!!!!!!!

Cheers

Aus8

[Marco]

If you were looking to buy a Commodore, I'd say wait until VE for sure. But with a Monaro, and the likelihood that there won't be a VE version....hold on for a few more months and see if there's an LS2 version just around the corner. IIRC LS1 won't meet 2006 emissions regs, so by the end of the year we'll have the answer to this one for sure one way or the other.

[bigdongers]

I reckon we will see VZ series 2 in October or November to coincide with Sydney Motor Show

[GH1967]

How frustrating. :mad:

[Devil CV8]

In the same boat, but I have to wait for a bit to see how secure my job is before I take the plunge into a monaro again.

[The Nurse]

If you want one, buy one. There will ALWAYS be something better coming along in the future, you can't keep waiting for the best thing, because it'll continually be updated.

In my humble opinion, the Monaro has now lost something due to it's 'American' updates, (Bonnet scoops and fuel tank being moved to the boot). For sure an LS2 Monaro will porbably come eventually but who knows when and what will it look like.

[Devil CV8]

If you want one, buy one. There will ALWAYS be something better coming along in the future, you can't keep waiting for the best thing, because it'll continually be updated.


but then, some of us have already had a monaro and are just considering another 1. Why bother with a LS1 if a short wait will garner a LS2.... :p

[bigdongers]

Holden have already said there will not be a VE Monaro when VE is launched. They have said though that Monaro will continue in one form or another. Therefore, I think it will be safe to assume the Monaro will continue in the short term looking very similar to how it is now with a few cosmetic and spec changes to keep it fresh. Its still one of the best looking cars on the road today.

[PepeLePew]

but then, some of us have already had a monaro and are just considering another 1. Why bother with a LS1 if a short wait will garner a LS2.... :p

Or a bloody good deal on an LS1 version......

[HERCULES]

Yeah if your not looking for a specific colour, with specific transmission and leather, then hold off and wait for the runout Deals that come in when the series 2 comes out, if there is a series VZ Series 2, by the time these run out deals come im pretty sure we should all know if the a Series 2 will be available in an LS2.
Personally if I was looking at buying a Monaro, I would either buy one now or wait until you get some decent prices, but I would definatly not wait for a VE monaro or whatever in 2-3 years time.

[downbylaw]

Hey mate, you seem to be stuck in the same possie as myself. Im tossing up between a vz calais alloytec or a vz ss went to the dealers and have had a look and drive but im now going to wait to see wat deal i can get towards the end of the year. If the new ve loooks nice hopefully there will be some sneek peeks of it around the end of the year i may just wait for that. goodluck anyway!!!!!

[jbernie]

Simple way to decide....

If you NEED the car now, i.e. your current ride just died and you MUST replace it, then the LS1 is yours to enjoy.

If everything is just fine and no need to rush, then wait and see what the market presents you.

Of course if you can buy one now AND another one later then we expect some fine pics of the two next to each other :)

James

[kryten2001]

I'm at crunch time. I can almost smell the leather in my new Devil Yellow Monaro I'm that close to buying it.


Yeah I was having the same quandary a month ago, but I decided to hell with it - and bought one anyway.

If they bring out a final, celebratory, limited edition with the LS2, well I'll just have to cut my losses and upgrade to one of those down the track.

On the other hand, they may bring out nothing - and it'll die a whimper of a death with the last few being sold at rediculous prices (RRP or greater).

I thought I'd play it safe and have one in the Garage. The only thing I can lose, is money - and considering I only paid mid-50s for mine, probably not even much of it at that.

So yeah dude, I'd just go for it. Nothing is set in concrete, and it's probably a given that whatever decision you make - it'll be the wrong one. I just wanted to make the wrong decision with the knowledge that at least there was a car in the garage!

[Mimo]

I'm holding off till later in the year for a VZ CV8R. I predict that it will have a 6.0L, but not the 6sp auto I was hoping for. End of year runout around Dec sounds about right to me for a sharp price.

I only hope they have a nice colour this time as the last two CV8R's really didn't float my boat.

[Oldmonroman]

I would wait
You would kick yourself if the CV8 came out with a LS2

[GH1967]

lol, this is torture. It's almost split 50/50 between "go for it" and "wait"

:(

yes, yes, I know ultimately it's up to me, but I hate the idea of being castrated by depreciation due to a new Monaro coming out later this year...if it happens.

If I knew it was still a year or 2 away I'd buy now. It's not knowing this and the possibility of a new version sooner that is contributing to my indecision.

[kryten2001]

lol, this is torture. It's almost split 50/50 between "go for it" and "wait"

:(

yes, yes, I know ultimately it's up to me, but I hate the idea of being castrated by depreciation due to a new Monaro coming out later this year...if it happens.

If I knew it was still a year or 2 away I'd buy now. It's not knowing this and the possibility of a new version sooner that is contributing to my indecision.

*shrugs* you can't eat have ya cake and eat it as well mate!

Just be sure if you do buy now, you get it at a hell of a good price. If there IS a final LIMITED edition of CV8-Rs, you can bet they'll probably be sold real fast and the price of ALL Monaros won't generally dump all that much.

If on the other hand they continue the Monaro with the LS2 for the next few years, our old LS1 powered Johnnies won't be worth much!

It's like a computer, if you wait - there's always something better/faster/cheaper just around the corner... Buy and be happy, it's not like the 5.7 monaro is that bad!

[Devil CV8]

If everything is just fine and no need to rush, then wait and see what the market presents you.


this is the position I'm in...

[cossmo]

So yeah dude, I'd just go for it. Nothing is set in concrete, and it's probably a given that whatever decision you make - it'll be the wrong one. I just wanted to make the wrong decision with the knowledge that at least there was a car in the garage!


:teach: What he said.

The benefit of the LS2 may be outweighed by the number of prob they might have. All new models seem to have a few probs that get fixed. Which is why when my mate bought VYI and had a few probs it only made me more convinced to get VYII.

Take the VZ now and enjoy!!!!!

[mavss]

Take the VZ now and enjoy!!!!!
.... or wait 6 months in case the VZ inherits the GenIV.

Oh my. How frustrating :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Aus8]

:teach: What he said.

The benefit of the LS2 may be outweighed by the number of prob they might have. All new models seem to have a few probs that get fixed. Which is why when my mate bought VYI and had a few probs it only made me more convinced to get VYII.

Take the VZ now and enjoy!!!!!

There shouldnt be too many issues with the LS2 when out in the next Holden Model. HSV have basically been testing it for Holden you could say.

Cheers

Tim

[alexcs]

lol, this is torture. It's almost split 50/50 between "go for it" and "wait"

:(

yes, yes, I know ultimately it's up to me, but I hate the idea of being castrated by depreciation due to a new Monaro coming out later this year...if it happens.

If I knew it was still a year or 2 away I'd buy now. It's not knowing this and the possibility of a new version sooner that is contributing to my indecision.


get a GTO now, they will be collectors items.

[hsvLS1255]

i think this question is best directed to those that have moved from a ls1 to a ls2. me thinks they would be in the best position to tell if the ls2 is leaps and bounds ahead of the good 'ol ls1.

me persoanlyy i am going to be made redundant soon, so will have some cash flaoting around. i am going to hold out till when VE coms out. ( 1 yr is a long time i know). that ways if i dont like the VE i can atleast get a ripper deal on a VZ SS.

[The Nurse]

lol, this is torture. It's almost split 50/50 between "go for it" and "wait"

:(

yes, yes, I know ultimately it's up to me, but I hate the idea of being castrated by depreciation due to a new Monaro coming out later this year...if it happens.

If I knew it was still a year or 2 away I'd buy now. It's not knowing this and the possibility of a new version sooner that is contributing to my indecision.


GH1967: I think this is the about 11th thread you've started about buying a Monaro over a period of time. So you've been procrastinating over this for some time. Now ask yourself why do you want a Monaro with an LS2? is it because the LS2 is a better engine, or do you want it because it'll be latest and greatest? Do you want to take it down the strip etc, or is it just street cred?

Basically you need to figure out why you really want this car, and follow your heart, because if you follow your head you'll, just keep creating threads on ls1.com.au wishing you had one.

There seems to be a few good deals going around currently on VZ's, so the better the deal you get obviously depreciation will be less when it comes time to sell. Keeping this in mind, IF another Monaro does come out with the LS2 in the near future, demand will be high and good deals will be hard to come by.

Another thing, if you bought one now, who's to say you can't replace it in 12months time for a new one, if you've got a good deal on a VZ I reckon you wont lose much at all, remember it is a Monaro

Another tip, Get a Holden Mastercard, $3000 rebate is a good discount

Knowing what I know now, after owning one for near 9 months now, I cannot see myself not owning one.

[Patrick]

Another tip, Get a Holden Mastercard, $3000 rebate is a good discount

I got one through Westpac Bank 10 months ago.

Bonus rebate is 10% (eg: $100 towards a new Holden for every $1000 you spend, which is pretty good.)

I'm $400 away from my $3,000 (*plus) discount, will use it to buy either a LS2 Monaro or a new VE SS next year.


*Got extra bonus points through Holden servicing and Avis car rentals.

[Mimo]

Patrick, which bank supports the card? Was it Westpac or St George?

Also can you apply for it via the local dealer or do you need to approach the appropriate bank.

Once you have accrued the $3000 discount and then used it, does it then reset and again become available for the next purchase.

In a nut shell you need to spend $30,000 on that card in order to get the full $3000 rebate / discount.

Just two day's ago I got an offer from Holden asking me to take a VZ Monaro for a test drive and offered a voucher worth $2000 off the negotiated price on a VZ Monaro.

All things considered I'm wondering whether the card is really all that good seeing as you can alway's just screw the dealer down on price.

[LSX-438]

$2k dealer discount should be had without even trying, voucher or not. The $3k GM/mastercard rebate is completely independant from dealer price negotiations, i never bring it up until after the deal is done.

details here

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/jsp/mastercard/mastercard.jsp

actually if i had a voucher for $2k discount, i'm sure the dealer would use that to put a notional cap on my discount.

[hsvLS1255]

another little nifty trick with the card is if you have other credit cards transfer the balances over to the holden mastercard, that way you can get bonus points aswell....

so open afew cards here and there , transfer the balances and you could have an extra discount of 3k in afew weeks. ( by the time they process it all)

[Mimo]

Some good ponts there. The voucher works in the same way as the GM card by the way. It states a discount off the negotiated price. So in theory you could use a GM card and this to score $5000 off the negotiated price.

[GEN III]

All things considered I'm wondering whether the card is really all that good seeing as you can alway's just screw the dealer down on price.

Why? Read the manual dude. You just screw the dealer and you say "hay I got a holden mastercard" and then they take a further $3000 off the car. No if's or buts.

[lucas]

Why bother waiting for an LS2? Just wait for the LS1 versions to start appearing at stupid prices (and from what I've been reading around here that time might be now, well, maybe not in Syndey ;) ), pick one up and take it to your favourite engine builder to have it "adjusted" to meet your specific requirements.

Built LS1 > Stock LS2.

[bigdongers]

Why? Read the manual dude. You just screw the dealer and you say "hay I got a holden mastercard" and then they take a further $3000 off the car. No if's or buts.

yep and you will probably find that the dealer doesnt wear this $3,000 discount anyway. Holden head office would pay for this.

[Swordie]

Interesting dilemma, wish I had that problem. It reminds me of people waiting for next best computer to come out. What ever you buy is out of date for one reason another it’s purchased.

It seems clear the LS2 will be in the VE. Whether it will be in a Monaro is unclear. The HSV GTO has the LS2, this cost 20K more than a Monaro. Waiting for a good deal on a GTO is an option worth exploring.

[kryten2001]

Waiting for a good deal on a GTO is an option worth exploring.

Ha! Don't hold your breath mate!

Considering they _may_ be the last of the GTOs and maybe the ONLY monaro with a LS2, PLUS a nominal 6 month waiting list - the end of them might only be a few months away.

I don't think you'll be seeing too many dealers selling those at a discounted rate!

[Patrick]

Patrick, which bank supports the card? Was it Westpac or St George?

Also can you apply for it via the local dealer or do you need to approach the appropriate bank.

Once you have accrued the $3000 discount and then used it, does it then reset and again become available for the next purchase.

In a nut shell you need to spend $30,000 on that card in order to get the full $3000 rebate / discount.

Just two day's ago I got an offer from Holden asking me to take a VZ Monaro for a test drive and offered a voucher worth $2000 off the negotiated price on a VZ Monaro.

All things considered I'm wondering whether the card is really all that good seeing as you can alway's just screw the dealer down on price.

The Holden card rebate of $3,000 (plus) is over and above any discounts or deals you negiotiate with your dealer.

Your points last for 3 years.

After you use them, you build it up again for the next purchase.

You can apply at any Westpac branch or Westpac online

[ROARZ]

My 2 cents. Wait.

With housing market cooling off at last, people will not be able to buy cars on equity are the rate they have been over the last few years. This will place additional pressure on prices that are already under pressure due to interest rate rises and slower consumer spending. Also, VZ 2 or VE is just around the corner as is the LS2. You will get a great deal on a run out VZ Monaro before the end of the year, without question. Irrespective of the LS2, the VZ Monaro has a new cam, new exhaust, etc so is already quite a go-er, and we all know just how easy it is to bolt on a few more ponies if you really need it. The VZ Monaro is also astetically very pleasing, so you'll be more than happy with the life of the looks.

Given all that, I say wait a few more months and look for downward pressure on runout VZ's. Oh, and don't say it won't happen. It happens EVERY year... :)

Just ask Maverick via PM how much he saved on a runout V2S3 Monaro late last year. Let's just say that it makes the $3000 bonus from a credit card seem like quite small.

[markone2]

My 2 cents. Wait.


Just ask Maverick via PM how much he saved on a runout V2S3 Monaro late last year. Let's just say that it makes the $3000 bonus from a credit card seem like quite small.



SMALL........go on rub it in :p truth of the matter is that the above two joined forces to badger and harass honest car salesman the length and breadth of this fine city of Brisbane until they found what they seeked......one new Monaro delivered with on road costs cheaper than I could locate one low k late model 2nd hand vehicle at Trade cost.....just goes to show that a little persistence and ankle tapping ( car yard slang for a kick where it hurts most) when buying a new car can pay off big time.

[bigdongers]

Can someone post what super price Maverick paid for his Monaro?

[Maverick]

SMALL........go on rub it in :p truth of the matter is that the above two joined forces to badger and harass honest car salesman the length and breadth of this fine city of Brisbane until they found what they seeked......one new Monaro delivered with on road costs cheaper than I could locate one low k late model 2nd hand vehicle at Trade cost.....just goes to show that a little persistence and ankle tapping ( car yard slang for a kick where it hurts most) when buying a new car can pay off big time.

Now, now mark ;) , truth be told I was only looking for a second hand monaro, then saw mine advertised on the web, runout - demo (3k on the clock, with all the normal demo extras applied). I had never driven or been for a ride in a Monaro before mine. Brett was only there for another eye and ear.


Can someone post what super price Maverick paid for his Monaro?
was $48k on road
see thread http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=32597


However, I'm hearing rumours of:
* Big price reduction/offers coming
* LS 2 version not far off
* Whole new version possibly coming late this year/early next year
What to do what to do!

I fear it's one of those situations that if I do hold off I'll be always holding off because Holden is famous for endless versions of their cars thus making "new" models redundant sometimes less than a year after their release.
Dude, if you can hold off for a year as you have said later in the thread, then try to hang out for a runout model, you generally save between $8-12k which is pretty close (IMHO) to what you lose driving a new car out of the dealership.