11.5/129mph...UNOPENED..and its a Falcon

[chilly]

shit...i forgot to say with twin turbo's :lol:
check it out at
http://www.fullboost.com.au/index.php

Rod Clark’s BA Pursuit Ute continues to run well. The unopened 290 Boss engine aided by twin turbo’s ran 11.58/129 on low boost once again at the Calder Park Off-Street Drags.

[Ghosn]

Nice MPH but ET aint too crash hot? Didnt know there were any BOSS TTs out there, remember APS apparently developing one which they said would be ready in about 6 months which really means 3 years but anyway. Any other links or info on this car would be good as my friend has a boss and is hoping to head down the TT road as soon as a package gets released.

[ratter]

He has a few post about the car on www.fordforums.com.au
I think the car wasn't even running properly whan it ran that time

[motomk]

I think you will find this is an APS conversion. I think Rod normally takes it easy on take off with this car. Once it gets going it flies along. Maybe he will see this thread and answer a few questions about it.
Rod is the same superstar who organises the discount entry to Calder each week for various forums including LS1. :thumbsup:

motomk

[KiWi]

it has also run 131mph at Heathcote but no better ET. big things to come from this no doubt with that MPH. geea hasnt had any problems with his HPF XR6T running 10's @ 129mph on ET Streets, so watch out for Rod he will be flying soon

Simon

[Ghosn]

Just found this....

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/boss_tt/boss_tt.htm

Sooner than expected... should be good.

[BossV8]

I'm sure Rod will reply to this when he reads it

131mph is showing huge power, particularly considering the boost levels werent high and the only mods apart from the turbo's being the zorst and t/b

Once stally issues can be sorted this will do 10's no worries

[Ghosn]

I'm sure Rod will reply to this when he reads it

131mph is showing huge power, particularly considering the boost levels werent high and the only mods apart from the turbo's being the zorst and t/b

Once stally issues can be sorted this will do 10's no worries

Do u have any idea on power figures?

[BossV8]

I think rod could elaborate more but with lower boost than the test TT Monaro it made the same power, before the boost was raised and made quite a considerable amount more

With 131mph at street weight with hardlid etc on (around 2000kg) it would have to be 400rwkw+

[vk2run]

sounds impressive, although the estimate of 2000kg (4400lbs)seems a bit excessive i'd imagine that 1750kg (3800lbs) would be a bit closer for a ute. at that it works out to be around 660fwhp (131mph @ 3800lbs) or if 4400lbs it works out about 770fwhp.

[COUPE]

shit...i forgot to say with twin turbo's :lol:
check it out at
http://www.fullboost.com.au/index.php

Rod Clark’s BA Pursuit Ute continues to run well. The unopened 290 Boss engine aided by twin turbo’s ran 11.58/129 on low boost once again at the Calder Park Off-Street Drags.

Awesome MPH ... very impressive!

Definitely capable of running a 10 second pass with that type pf MPH.

Well done!

[ratter]

sounds impressive, although the estimate of 2000kg (4400lbs)seems a bit excessive i'd imagine that 1750kg (3800lbs) would be a bit closer for a ute. at that it works out to be around 660fwhp (131mph @ 3800lbs) or if 4400lbs it works out about 770fwhp.



Actually the pursuit is listed with a kerb weight of 1870 kg if you add the weight of the hard cover, fuel and a couple of turbos plus driver it would go close to the 2000 kg mark


:D

[XA coupe]

The ute has a stock converter as it goes into limp home mode with anything else. I doubt that it will turn into a full on race warrior but rather a toy to play with.... remember this is also his tow truck for his real race car too !
I have taken it for a spin ... Rod was lucky to get it back :)

[vk2run]

Actually the pursuit is listed with a kerb weight of 1870 kg if you add the weight of the hard cover, fuel and a couple of turbos plus driver it would go close to the 2000 kg mark


:D
crap didn't think they were that heavy, no wonder they are so slow stock :p

[darcy]

The ute has a stock converter as it goes into limp home mode with anything else.



I take it it's UNIchipped, and not edited then?

[VX8255]

I take it it's UNIchipped, and not edited then?
Your right, but I've heard even with the edit, highstalls greater than 2500rpm are still having problems not sending the auto into limp mode.

[rodrocket]

Nice MPH but ET aint too crash hot? Didnt know there were any BOSS TTs out there, remember APS apparently developing one which they said would be ready in about 6 months which really means 3 years but anyway. Any other links or info on this car would be good as my friend has a boss and is hoping to head down the TT road as soon as a package gets released.


guess that must be your friend just around the corner with the "Blue" one

the TT is alive & well in a street near you ;)

regards
rod

[rodrocket]

the car has run a best of 11.56 with a stall convertor that had a raised stall speed & kept going into limp :limpy: mode this was in its first outing so as you can imagin i am more than happy with the results

we tried 6 run & on 3 of them it locked into third gear comeing out of the hole & stayed there for the wasted run

we put a standard convertor in the car the following week & the best it would go at Calder was 11.581 & then on the Sunday we made a trip up to heathcote were ir ran a best of 11.58 @ 131 Mph in full weight with atleast 3/4 tank of fuel in the car

we had to run the tank high on fuel as it was suffeing from fuel starvation if it went under 1/2 tank

on one of the 131 Mph runs we even had a passenger in the car, this car has always run with the hard tarp ect on & with a Mph of 131, i carnt see any reason to remove it as with the power this thing is makeing a little extra weight doesnt bother it :lol:

i know most of you will think its from the wrong stable but you have to put your hands togeter for A.P.S. as they have well & truely done it again with enother great Twin Turbo kit

regards
rod

[chops]

Anyone that builds fast cars is from the right stable in my book.

Congratulations on what seems to be a reasonably sorted unit.
Can't wait to hear more things, there's plenty in the tank with that mph!

[laughing@u]

I take it it's UNIchipped, and not edited then?
even with the Capa Edit you cant run any hi-stall or change shift points.
and they call it an edit, we know who laughing now.

[ratter]

even with the Capa Edit you cant run any hi-stall or change shift points.
and they call it an edit, we know who laughing now.

I beleive they can change shift points, just havn't overcome the histall thing yet.
Some of the tuners prefer not to change line pressures etc, but reduce the amount of torque limitation on the motor that is normally applied when the auto shifts gear.



:D

[laughing@u]

I beleive they can change shift points,



:D
Wrong the software the dealers have for this doesn’t even work. you put in the paremeters nothing happens.
Capa never commissioned the shift point or hi-stall software for the auto, its all been a money grab.
I see HP tuners here are looking at getting something going; hopefully for the Ford owners it will be a real edit. There product is very good for the LS1.

[Martin_D]

Yes the shift points can be changed and do work, hi-stalls do as well :) Sorry Mr @ for someone who know you much you know so little......we know who laughing now Tonto :lol: :lol:

[laughing@u]

Yes the shift points can be changed and do work, hi-stalls do as well :) Sorry Mr @ for someone who know you much you know so little......we know who laughing now Tonto :lol: :lol:
Can you tell me of a shop where Ford owners can have this done?
its quite simple if anyone here rings Tony from Capa he will tell you ''there working on it''.
Or put a 3000 hi-stall in a BA and see what happens.edit dont to pooh.

you did the review in a magazine for this product you wouldnt dare show a little bais would you. oh yeah what a review...lol.. :booty: :lol:
to many donuts perhaps.

[Martin_D]

Ok laughing. I will help
It seems you guys are having problems trying to tune the CAPA Flash Tuner on Rods Twin Turbo Falcon. Just give me a call in the morning and I will happily step you or one of your tuners through how to get his stall working. Its excellent news that you have embraced the best of tuning technology for this car.
I think we can all work together on this :)
Im here to help mate :cool:

[rodrocket]

hey Martin
guess again my Ute has the unichip on it & that all that it has used for tuning, you are quiet welcome to check it out for yourself when ever you like

as for the high stall yes i have tried one when it was N/A & it went into limp mode, the convertor only stayied in the car for te best part of 1/2 Hour & was then removed

when the Twin Turbo set-up was fitted we tried a smaller convertor but that two went into limp mode so a "Genuine factory convertor" was re-fitted into the car

as for your edit being able to control a "High Stall Convertor" maybe "YOU" had better inform your dealers about this because the word is that they are "NOT VERY HAPPY" thats what i am told but who knows i may just be wrong

i have even heard that a car the "YOU PERSONALLY" tooned is haveing problems with a convertor that has had its stall speed increased, the owner even offered to call you to prove to me that he has had many of heated discussions with you about this same problem

regards
rod

[Martin_D]

I suppose thats the beauty of the Internet Rod - I have never personally tuned a car in Melbourne with a high stall in place. There are lots of things that can be said without needing to be verified. You just hit the nail on the head with your own experiences though. Its not so much a question of stall rpm, but engine torque produced without inferred forward movement. Which is why your problem became worse with twin turbochargers. There would be no issue in having anwhere up to 2900 - 3000rpm stall in your car. Setting that up is simple. Presuming you still have a standard engine torque table in that computer would explain a lot of things.

When you are serious about getting that car going quickly give me a call. We have an SCT engineer over here in late August that will be able to sort every issue you have, including 3500rpm+ stall, and implementing knock sensors in the Boss on a proper 2 bar tune. There should be an easy half second in tuning that engine properly....as there has been in most every other fast Falcon :)

[rodrocket]

I suppose thats the beauty of the Internet Rod - I have never personally tuned a car in Melbourne with a high stall in place. There are lots of things that can be said without needing to be verified. You just hit the nail on the head with your own experiences though. Its not so much a question of stall rpm, but engine torque produced without inferred forward movement. Which is why your problem became worse with twin turbochargers. There would be no issue in having anwhere up to 2900 - 3000rpm stall in your car. Setting that up is simple. Presuming you still have a standard engine torque table in that computer would explain a lot of things.

When you are serious about getting that car going quickly give me a call. We have an SCT engineer over here in late August that will be able to sort every issue you have, including 3500rpm+ stall, and implementing knock sensors in the Boss on a proper 2 bar tune. There should be an easy half second in tuning that engine properly....as there has been in most every other fast Falcon :)

Thanks Martin
but i am more than happy with the progress that has been made on my car, to be honest i think the edit is fine in the right hands but i dont like the idea of raiseing the rev limit to make more power on the "BOSS" engine

i am quite happy to leave the Unichip on my car as it does what is required of it, my car is note built to run on the black top every week or run in dyno comps, my main use is for towing & it does that quiet well with plenty in reserve

as for the car that I was told that "YOU" tuned, i was told direct from the owner & he is a very reliable guy whom i dont think talks s#it but who knows, you may remember it if you think a little harder as it has had plenty of time spent on getting the tune "right" but from what i hear the owner is still not happy

regards
rod

[laughing@u]

Ok laughing. I will help
It seems you guys are having problems trying to tune the CAPA Flash Tuner on Rods Twin Turbo Falcon. Just give me a call in the morning and I will happily step you or one of your tuners through how to get his stall working. Its excellent news that you have embraced the best of tuning technology for this car.
I think we can all work together on this :)
Im here to help mate :cool:

- I have never personally tuned a car in Melbourne with a high stall in place.

You remember you tuned THCinc supercharged BA ute took $3000 off him for injectors and tune, you personally tuned this at Herrod shop in Melbourne, he couldn't run a Hi-stall, everytime he does a burnout goes into limp home mode. surely this happened while you where tuning it.
He has 3 hi-stalls, he has your mobile number. i will get him to give you a call now that you have sorted out the limp home mode edit issues.

[Martin_D]

You remember you tuned THCinc supercharged BA ute took $3000 off him for injectors and tune, you personally tuned this at Herrod shop in Melbourne, he couldn't run a Hi-stall, everytime he does a burnout goes into limp home mode. surely this happened while you where tuning it.

Now, why do you need to be like that? I never charged him a cent, never sold him injectors, and the stall in the car worked perfectly on the dyno - and the strip, where it ran a 12 second pass. I believe he ran into problems after installing a 3500prm converter later down the track. Come on laughing, surely you dont need to make stuff up to look good, you are better than that mate. There is good, and truth inside all of us laughing, just looks like we need to work a bit harder to get it out of you :) Might be the company you keep though :lol:

[Martin_D]

as for the car that I was told that "YOU" tuned, i was told direct from the owner & he is a very reliable guy whom i dont think talks s#it but who knows, you may remember it if you think a little harder as it has had plenty of time spent on getting the tune "right" but from what i hear the owner is still not happy
regards
rod

I love these Unichip versus Edit wars. Reminds of the good old days where people could take this stuff seriously :headbang:
Save your breath Rod, just do a search here on the forums and the answers are there. No hard feelings I realise you are just doing the right things to protect those that sponsor you...As for the customer, dont know who it could be. I spent 2 days in Melb in total training Herrods how to use the SCT Advantage software, and not much if any of it was spent on customer cars. :teach:

[BossV8]

I love these Unichip versus Edit wars. Reminds of the good old days where people could take this stuff seriously :teach:

I've missed your highly valuable input Martin, it's been a while since you entered this debate, probably waiting for someone to put out some decent tunes on BA's :lol:

Perhaps on a serious and professional note, being so educated on the SCT product, you could of spent the last 6 months developing powerful yet safe tunes for BA's in both manual AND auto with no converter issues as has already been pointed out. I have seen from underneath the stall converter on the exact car that is still having dramas with it. So no, your info is incorrect. Instead, you've spent those 6 months getting your name associated with the work of others and slandering the opposition. I personally know of a lot who immediately disregarded the capa edit simply because you were associated with it. If it weren't for a particular 2 fellas (1 in the west and 1 in the mexico region) putting out some good tunes that run the track times not just the dyno numbers, your quite sizeable investment may be quite easily down the S bend. Think about what you're doing

I'm not doubting the possibilities of the SCT edit, nor will I say unichip is better, nor will I embroil myself into another unichip vs edit debate again. It will only turn into childish remarks, to which if you want to act like a child i will speak to you like one. All I will say is that Rod has more experience than anyone with a BA, and know's what's been tried, and what works and what doesnt.

I apologise to the site admin/mods if this post seems to be outside the subject of the thread and/or defammatory. ST just needs a push back in line when he's not being good at school :bash:

[Martin_D]

I apologise to the site admin/mods if this post seems to be outside the subject of the thread and/or defammatory. ST just needs a push back in line when he's not being good at school :bash:

And just when I was thinking that the official 'Cheer Squad' had been disbanded the three mouseketeers emerge in full force. Welcome back...to 2001 :rofl: :) You guys get the persistance award, if not the intelligence one. :teach:
Yes, and I know 13.5 is a very good time still :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BossV8]

And just when I was thinking that the official 'Cheer Squad' had been disbanded the three mouseketeers emerge in full force. Welcome back...to 2001 :rofl: :) You guys get the persistance award, if not the intelligence one. :teach:
Yes, and I know 13.5 is a very good time still :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really really, really.....dont get it

Tis funny...us muskateers only reform when there's some BS bandied about, usually coming from yourself. Says something doesnt it, oh master of the arts of the booolsheet:booty: People wonder why ls1.au isnt what it used to be

The 13.5 was done back when your edit was still breastfeeding.... eevryone else was doing high 13's. Thanks for the mammaries! :lol:

[Martin_D]

You call me out, you get found out. Now back over to FF where someone might give a flying toss about your 13.5 second weapon. Theres a good boy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Over and out

[BossV8]

You call me out, you get found out. Now back over to FF where someone might give a flying toss. Theres a good boy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Over and out

Yes, they do give a toss about it over there. You see, it's quite an achievement setting up such a great TT 5.4 package that runs 131mph, and a general motor enthusiast would be interested. One of the members here posting it up proves that.

I wondered why Dave Morley got the gig of doing the writeup of the APS TT Monaro in latest MOTOR and used his words I quote "The most exciting car I've ever driven". He's not biased, nor is he a thing that rhymes with "bird" and starts with a T, to which your posts quite cleverly expose you to be. :lol: :lol:

I'll be gone now, to leave you to be proving self-unprofessionalism some more :D

[Martin_D]

So thats it, you work for APS? :confused:

[BossV8]

No I dont, far from it. But i've had work done there, and had no complainst or issues whatsoever. Which in turn, doesnt mean I flog the other product because I own an APS product. Check a few posts back and you'll see...in fact us 3 muskies have a good mate who's one of the best CAPA edit tuners in Oz with the current XR8 record. Why havent I got it yet? One word, mortgage mate

For the sake of the thread please, PM if you're gonna try bag me some more. It's fun, but a) as a mod yourself you should be setting an example, and b) why should others have to sift through crap to get to the thread topic posts

Balls in your court, guv

[geea]

Your right, but I've heard even with the edit, highstalls greater than 2500rpm are still having problems not sending the auto into limp mode.

This isn't correct. My car launches at 2800rpm which is the limit of the current stall. I'll be racing tomorrow, (as long as rain stays away), and i've learnt a new technique which i've tested on private roads and it looks like i should be able to launch at 3200rpm. I will be driving a second auto "T" with 290rwkw's and this has a 3500rpm stall i've launched this on the street at 3200rpm with no problem, (lots of wheel spin though, lol). Both my car and the 290rwkw car are tuned by HPF using the Edit.
I think there could be a seperate issue with the utes that may be hardware related rather than software. I have a good friend who has a "T" ute that is having trouble using his highstall. He has a similar set up to me. I believe that it could be that the utes have a different sensor in the rear somewhere that might have problems.

[ratter]

A victorian tuner has been running XR8's at mid 13.0's and all without raising the rev limiter or leaning to hard on the tune, and to think he should get 12's if he ran a Gt with the 290 motor rather than the XR8's 260.
I'm sure the numbers will get better as the convertor problem is sorted and they get more experience with the edit

[laughing@u]

This isn't correct. My car launches at 2800rpm which is the limit of the current stall. I'll be racing tomorrow, (as long as rain stays away), and i've learnt a new technique which i've tested on private roads and it looks like i should be able to launch at 3200rpm. I will be driving a second auto "T" with 290rwkw's and this has a 3500rpm stall i've launched this on the street at 3200rpm with no problem, (lots of wheel spin though, lol). Both my car and the 290rwkw car are tuned by HPF using the Edit.
I think there could be a seperate issue with the utes that may be hardware related rather than software. I have a good friend who has a "T" ute that is having trouble using his highstall. He has a similar set up to me. I believe that it could be that the utes have a different sensor in the rear somewhere that might have problems.

Hello are you using the standard BA 4 speed full electronic auto?
can i ask who built your new hi stall that you will be using tommorow night?
good luck chasing a better time, your best ET is a ripper.

[laughing@u]

I'm sure the numbers will get better as the convertor problem is sorted and they get more experience with the edit
We have just been told there are no problems, all we have to do is ring street tuner he will tell the BA owners where to get it done.
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Street Tuner could you pass on a list of the tuners that can do an Edit tune that will allow BA owners to use a Hi Stall?
keep laughing :lol: :lol:

[laughing@u]

You call me out, you get found out. Now back over to FF where someone might give a flying toss about your 13.5 second weapon. Theres a good boy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Over and out
At least he can run it in public.
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At the LS1 nats you waited until everyone disapeared down the back of the track to smash the bomb cars.
Then you brang out your et: 12.2 single LS1 turbo,,,,,,,, :eek: :booty: :lol: :booty: :lol:

[HRT Stroker]

Settle down U too, it getting old.

Back to the topic or take it too PM's please.

[geea]

Hello are you using the standard BA 4 speed full electronic auto?
can i ask who built your new hi stall that you will be using tommorow night?
good luck chasing a better time, your best ET is a ripper.

I'm using the BA 4spd that comes with all BA's. It has been modified with better clutches, bands, trans cooler and some valve body work. The auto was built by Kewish Auto's in Dandenong. The convertor is a Dominator.
Hope this helps. If you have any other questions please ask and i'll answer if i can. ;)

[Martin_D]

At least he can run it in public.
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At the LS1 nats you waited until everyone disapeared down the back of the track to smash the bomb cars.
Then you brang out your et: 12.2 single LS1 turbo,,,,,,,, :eek: :booty: :lol: :booty: :lol:

12.0 @ 121 and I drove it there, back, and didnt even change tyres. Gotta love that :)
Try that in your mums XD sometime :cool:

[laughing@u]

I'm using the BA 4spd that comes with all BA's. It has been modified with better clutches, bands, trans cooler and some valve body work. The auto was built by Kewish Auto's in Dandenong. The convertor is a Dominator.
Hope this helps. If you have any other questions please ask and i'll answer if i can. ;)
i was told you were useing a xede piggyback chip is this still the case and with a big stall how much do you think you can improve on your time.
if it rains today are you going to heathcote sunday.
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Apologies to the forum and thread if I have been out of line.
Funny when people dodge questions and pass on porkpies in the end its there mud they will have to swell in it.

[geea]

i was told you were useing a xede piggyback chip is this still the case and with a big stall how much do you think you can improve on your time.
if it rains today are you going to heathcote sunday.
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Apologies to the forum and thread if I have been out of line.
Funny when people dodge questions and pass on porkpies in the end its there mud they will have to swell in it.

I'm running both the Xede and the Edit. I kept the Xede as i like being able to switch maps on the move. The edit was used to get more power out of my octane booster tune and also for a race fuel tune. It has also enabled me to have a higher rev limit and to remove the torque protection from the auto when racing. There is possibly other things too but i'm not sure of all the things that have been altered.
If it rains i'll be heading to Calder the next Friday and i'm heading to Heathcote on the 16th for the AFF drag day. At Calder i'll be trying to lower my full street trim time of 11.58. I'm hoping with the new technique i'm going to use to drop this by a couple of 1/10ths.

[KiWi]

And i cant wait too Craig. Your car is awesome, and im glad to be part of the HIGGINS / HPF crew

[geea]

And i cant wait too Craig. Your car is awesome, and im glad to be part of the HIGGINS / HPF crew

I owe my PB in part to Nathan, he sold me the MT ET Streets that i used for the runs. He also helped out with fuel the week before. I was having fuel surge problems and Nathan gave me some of his fuel, a top bloke. Rob from HPF fixed the fuel problem by installing a surge tank. The surge tank combined with Nathen's ET Street's enabled me to get the record.
It's a great community, the vic performance community when you have guys like that helping people. Especially when they are both Holden blokes helping a Ford bloke. :cheers:
Pity about this bloody rain though causing Calder to be cancelled. :bash: