f6 v's clubby

[seracing]

Whats the go with some car mags as far as performance goes with these two cars i mean i dont go much into the handling and ride quality becouse to me everyone is diffrent and i am not a f1 driver but anyway the clubby kicks its arse across the board (1/4 mile , 0-100 ) yet they say the f6 is a hsv eater , ford must be throwing these mags a bit of cash . f$%king hsv eater my arse ,worryed about handling well pull out the r8 with full factory options and see what happens at the end of the day who is quicker from a-b is were im at . go the mighty lion. :burnout: p.s when the 6lt came out it was running 13.3's and lower now its doing 13.8's or somthing it seems that every time they put a hsv against a turbo they run slower . there must be cash getting flung around :lol:

[HSVREDSLED]

Having looked at numerous mag covers over the last 2 years, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of articles titled "HSV eater" and similar.

I actually look at is a bit of a compliment. The writers are suggesting that the Holdens/HSV's are the 'high water mark' in terms of performance and every other maker has to knock them from the perch.

But...they dont.... :rolleyes:

[Cainer]

Well for the record i have raced a F6 Tyhoon Sedan (MK1) and a F6 Typhoon Ute (MK2) and beat them like a red haired stepchild


:lol:

[flappist]

Well I suspect there are two parts to the reason that MOTOR gave the prize to the F6 and not the Z series.

1) They based the score on overall performance, that is accelleration in the gears while overtaking as well as 0-100 & 400m times, they included stopping, cornering, ride etc etc etc. If you read the article again you will see what they use as logic.
Now whether you agree with it or not is irrelevent as that is what THEY have stated. It is THEIR opinion and as you all know, opinions are lke bums, everyone has one.
2) If they print lots of inflamitory comments then people burr up, post scathing replys on internet forums, bitch with their mates and BUY THE NEXT ISSUE to see if their is any more of this heresy. (oh and by the way the article on the DTS clubbys show that HSV marketing are thinking on their feet).
Remember the staff of MOTOR only get paid if people buy the mag so if it became a parody of Street Commodores or Performance Fords (Street Hyundais with wings?) they would root their demographic.

As far as how quick is a F6, I have won the odd sprint in mine which is currently stock and there are a few around that are over 300rwkw and doing fairly quick times so I suggest you do not dismiss them out of hand just yet. At this time there is nothing available from the FPV stable that will stomp an auto Z series clubby on the 400m but I am sure they are working on it (as I am sure HSV are working on something to stomp on the FPV stomper).
The 6 speed auto F6 will be released 13th Oct, I suspect it will make life interesting in some arenas.........

It is very hard to make accurate judgements if you only ever look with one eye......

[seracing]

Well I suspect there are two parts to the reason that MOTOR gave the prize to the F6 and not the Z series.

1) They based the score on overall performance, that is accelleration in the gears while overtaking as well as 0-100 & 400m times, they included stopping, cornering, ride etc etc etc. If you read the article again you will see what they use as logic.
Now whether you agree with it or not is irrelevent as that is what THEY have stated. It is THEIR opinion and as you all know, opinions are lke bums, everyone has one.
2) If they print lots of inflamitory comments then people burr up, post scathing replys on internet forums, bitch with their mates and BUY THE NEXT ISSUE to see if their is any more of this heresy. (oh and by the way the article on the DTS clubbys show that HSV marketing are thinking on their feet).
Remember the staff of MOTOR only get paid if people buy the mag so if it became a parody of Street Commodores or Performance Fords (Street Hyundais with wings?) they would root their demographic.

As far as how quick is a F6, I have won the odd sprint in mine which is currently stock and there are a few around that are over 300rwkw and doing fairly quick times so I suggest you do not dismiss them out of hand just yet. At this time there is nothing available from the FPV stable that will stomp an auto Z series clubby on the 400m but I am sure they are working on it (as I am sure HSV are working on something to stomp on the FPV stomper).
The 6 speed auto F6 will be released 13th Oct, I suspect it will make life interesting in some arenas.........

It is very hard to make accurate judgements if you only ever look with one eye......
ha working on making a fpv stomper they dont need to they already stomped them and have been for a loooooooooong time. dont you just love a good holden v ford battle. :D but like i said before pull out the r8 then we will see who stops,turns and all that bull ,this f6 was ment to be the fastest thing in oz and they had 2 goes and still got STOMPED :burnout:

[COUPE]

Well I suspect there are two parts to the reason that MOTOR gave the prize to the F6 and not the Z series.

1) They based the score on overall performance, that is accelleration in the gears while overtaking as well as 0-100 & 400m times, they included stopping, cornering, ride etc etc etc. If you read the article again you will see what they use as logic.
Now whether you agree with it or not is irrelevent as that is what THEY have stated. It is THEIR opinion and as you all know, opinions are lke bums, everyone has one.
2) If they print lots of inflamitory comments then people burr up, post scathing replys on internet forums, bitch with their mates and BUY THE NEXT ISSUE to see if their is any more of this heresy. (oh and by the way the article on the DTS clubbys show that HSV marketing are thinking on their feet).
Remember the staff of MOTOR only get paid if people buy the mag so if it became a parody of Street Commodores or Performance Fords (Street Hyundais with wings?) they would root their demographic.

As far as how quick is a F6, I have won the odd sprint in mine which is currently stock and there are a few around that are over 300rwkw and doing fairly quick times so I suggest you do not dismiss them out of hand just yet. At this time there is nothing available from the FPV stable that will stomp an auto Z series clubby on the 400m but I am sure they are working on it (as I am sure HSV are working on something to stomp on the FPV stomper).
The 6 speed auto F6 will be released 13th Oct, I suspect it will make life interesting in some arenas.........

It is very hard to make accurate judgements if you only ever look with one eye......


Was at the last Aus Muscle Car Club private track day @ WSID ... only 2 XR6T's were running ... one I think was stock and didnt even make one pass, it blew some hose before it got off the line, spilt fluid all over the place and retired for the day ... the other black one I'm pretty sure was fitted with an APS stage II kit ... it was running mid to high 13's all day ................... I'd love to see some slips posted on these really fast stock or lightly moded T's or F6 that beat LS2's ............. Anyway to cut through the B/S My bro in-law in his VZ A4 Clubby ran a 13.6 @ 100mph with T/C on and @ full weight <rocker stock with half a tank of fuel> (he also weighs 135kg) ..... here is the time slip proving it! (car 07) ....... and it was his 1st time ever in his life @ the track racing ........ Another Maloo R8 M6 ran a 13.5 @ 100mph as well <fully stock @ full weight> ........ Track was also very slippery from all the rain that had fallen during the past week ............ So I cant understand why the mags cant get better times when you have total amateurs getting quicker times in fully street trim and weight ....... Another note there was a hell of alot more left in the cars as they were both wheel spinning heaps ... even the bro in-law with T/C on ... Next time out with the GTO's we'll be going for a low to flat 13 ... and i dont believe we'll be that far off the money either!

So please stock T's and F6's, if you're beating LS2's, go to the track and post your slips to prove it ... otherwise its all B/S fantasy to me. (sorry if it offend anyone, but i cant handle B/S) .... I don't think one mag has cracked into the 13's with an F6 yet (but i stand corrected) .. and remember they test 0-400m which isnt quite a 1/4mile which is 402m.

Cheers, Have a nice day :D

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/COUPE/clubby_tslip.jpg

[PepeLePew]

I dont think Flappists post really was intended to get anyone defensive here Coupe....seemed nicely balanced and lacked anything one-eyed...

Lets not start AGAIN on the whole Ford vs Holden thing thats been done to death recently.

One thing to repeat as has been said in previous posts and articles is the midrange response of the F6. Its a freight train, damn quick on the road. 0-100 and 0-400m isnt the be all and end all in Motor or other mags determination of whats what...

Whether the Holden camp like it or not its a pretty damn competent car, and as the first of its breed, can only improve.

Letsgo dunno if you've had a few tonight but do you reckon you could punctuate your posts a little more....I almost didnt make it past the first sentence in frustration :)

[hsvLS1255]

p.s when the 6lt came out it was running 13.3's and lower now its doing 13.8's or somthing it seems that every time they put a hsv against a turbo they run slower . there must be cash getting flung around :lol:


that an interesting point, the coupe when it came out and motor tested did a 4.99 0-100 and 13.2 ( forgot exactly), but no mags has seemed to be able to match this time since.

i know there are so many variables, temp, track etc etc, but could there be a slight possibility that hsv has given the mags one with a little more "oomph" when it first came out :nyuk:

[COUPE]

I dont think Flappists post really was intended to get anyone defensive here Coupe....seemed nicely balanced and lacked anything one-eyed...

Lets not start AGAIN on the whole Ford vs Holden thing thats been done to death recently.

One thing to repeat as has been said in previous posts and articles is the midrange response of the F6. Its a freight train, damn quick on the road. 0-100 and 0-400m isnt the be all and end all in Motor or other mags determination of whats what...

Whether the Holden camp like it or not its a pretty damn competent car, and as the first of its breed, can only improve.

Letsgo dunno if you've had a few tonight but do you reckon you could punctuate your posts a little more....I almost didnt make it past the first sentence in frustration :)


True ... but don't forget this is an LS1 / LS2 forum ... so people with this product will defend it with "FACTS" as I have ... not big time claims I beat this and I beat that .... I can post I beat 747 ... means nothing at the end of day ............................. as I have posted in previous threads ... I took an F6 for a test ... and its not faster than an LS2 ... when ur into both cars an LS2 stock will leave the F6 behind ... time and time again ... and if anyone wants to claim otherwise ... take ur F6 to the track and post ur slip ... its that simple.

I'm sure on the Ford fourms they will defend their F6 to the hilt ... and so they should ... still you cant change facts .... and if you think 550nm is freight strain stuff :lol: try something with 1000nm as I did the other day in a SL65 (no i didnt drive it, i wish ... i was just a passenger).

[COUPE]

that an interesting point, the coupe when it came out and motor tested did a 4.99 0-100 and 13.2 ( forgot exactly), but no mags has seemed to be able to match this time since.

i know there are so many variables, temp, track etc etc, but could there be a slight possibility that hsv has given the mags one with a little more "oomph" when it first came out :nyuk:

I dont think so .... Seen the cars run at the track ... lot more in them ... a 13 flat is in these things wether people want to believe it or not.

I can't make up a time slip ... another member was there on the day and seen these things go too.

Don't know whats wrong with the mag guys ... but these cars are running the times.

[seracing]

I dont think Flappists post really was intended to get anyone defensive here Coupe....seemed nicely balanced and lacked anything one-eyed...

Lets not start AGAIN on the whole Ford vs Holden thing thats been done to death recently.

One thing to repeat as has been said in previous posts and articles is the midrange response of the F6. Its a freight train, damn quick on the road. 0-100 and 0-400m isnt the be all and end all in Motor or other mags determination of whats what...

Whether the Holden camp like it or not its a pretty damn competent car, and as the first of its breed, can only improve.

Letsgo dunno if you've had a few tonight but do you reckon you could punctuate your posts a little more....I almost didnt make it past the first sentence in frustration :)
sorryitsjustmeandcomputers :)

[hunted]

The F6 isn't quick off the line, it's a fact. I have yet to run anything decent around town, cept for a couple of modded skylines.. so I can't gauge on the direct comparo F6/LS2, even LS1, some SS guys are a big 'hazey' as to how good these actually go ( or not ), and none of the guys I get next to want a bar of it??.. In two months I haven't even pulled up next to a clubby, of any description.. I too am curious to real world differences between the two.

As flappist mentioned, the auto F6 should be another ball game, manual XR6T's and F6 do struggle, period.

Good to see FPV having something that goes even remotley close ( sort of ) to the HSV benchmark that has been for so long. It's good for both camps.

[hunted]

Well for the record i have raced a F6 Tyhoon Sedan (MK1) and a F6 Typhoon Ute (MK2) and beat them like a red haired stepchild


:lol:


Heya, you say you beat a "F6 Typhoon Ute (MK2)"
How do you know it was a MKII??

curious??

and is your car stock?

Ta..

[flappist]

Heya, you say you beat a "F6 Typhoon Ute (MK2)"
How do you know it was a MKII??

curious??

and is your car stock?

Ta..
Thats an easy question, ALL Typhoons & Tornados are BA Mk2s.

A few posters above have burred up rather severely. Please re read my post. The original question was "why did MOTOR reckon that the F6 beat the Z series?".
I stated my opinion as to why I believe they wrote this and that maybe not everything is totally black & white. This is not a HvsF beat up. I have been around for a while and my personal views on both sides of the street are well known by many on here.
As I originally stated, the MOTOR journos wrote THEIR opinions, not mine, not yours. I read the article and added it's content to my knowlege of F6s & Clubbys.
A smart man beleives only half of what he reads, a really smart man know which half.

Yes I know this is the LS1 forum, but I read threads on here about many vehicles that are not LS1 (or LS2) e.g. SV6 vs XR6...
A forum is a place to discuss, I post here because I have an interest in LS powered cars. Just because I am driving a Ford this week does not make me anti Holden. I have two eyes and judge cars on what I think about them, not what others do.

[PepeLePew]

True ... but don't forget this is an LS1 / LS2 forum ... so people with this product will defend it with "FACTS" as I have ... not big time claims I beat this and I beat that .... I can post I beat 747 ... means nothing at the end of day ............................. as I have posted in previous threads ... I took an F6 for a test ... and its not faster than an LS2 ... when ur into both cars an LS2 stock will leave the F6 behind ... time and time again ... and if anyone wants to claim otherwise ... take ur F6 to the track and post ur slip ... its that simple.

I'm sure on the Ford fourms they will defend their F6 to the hilt ... and so they should ... still you cant change facts .... and if you think 550nm is freight strain stuff :lol: try something with 1000nm as I did the other day in a SL65 (no i didnt drive it, i wish ... i was just a passenger).

My point was no one was contesting your 'facts'. However quoting all that might be more valid if it was 'Street Machine' we were discussing and not the public-centric Motor. Flappist was discussing quite reasonably why Motor sided with the F6. And they are siding with it due to on the road 'facts', not just drags strip numbers. If that was all that counted they could throw in an R100 with a bridgeported 13B and decide that was king of the heap and why spend 40K more on either....

As Flappist said, "At this time there is nothing available from the FPV stable that will stomp an auto Z series clubby on the 400m". And for the record, nothing from FPV or HSV produce 1000Nm or twist either....in Joe Q Public terms, it does pull like a freight train or a 12 year old or whatever image you care to form with its 550Nm :)

Maybe MickeyT's around and will join this one for some perspective on the article...

[COUPE]

The F6 isn't quick off the line, it's a fact. I have yet to run anything decent around town, cept for a couple of modded skylines.. so I can't gauge on the direct comparo F6/LS2, even LS1, some SS guys are a big 'hazey' as to how good these actually go ( or not ), and none of the guys I get next to want a bar of it??.. In two months I haven't even pulled up next to a clubby, of any description.. I too am curious to real world differences between the two.

As flappist mentioned, the auto F6 should be another ball game, manual XR6T's and F6 do struggle, period.

Good to see FPV having something that goes even remotley close ( sort of ) to the HSV benchmark that has been for so long. It's good for both camps.

Know what you mean ... no one wants a bar of the GTO either ... But in all honesty street racing isnt the go ... I've learnt this the hard way .... Take her to the track ... run the time and post the slip ... pretty easy ... or even join a club that runs private days (IMHO thats the best) .... you get to have your fun .. run your time .. and usualy there is a few of the types of cars you would love to run to compare your car too and see how it goes.

No excuses but a lot of people just dont want to accept the LS2 standard is quicker than an F6 (Torandos are even heavier so I want bother comparing those) .... Wether its slower off the mark ... up top ... high / low .. around the cornner ... with the dog in the back .. or with a sore foot ... it really doesnt matter ... its slower! ... thats it! ...... I'm not saying its a slow car .... I've driven one .. not a bad weapon .... but it is slower than an LS2 ... quite simple ... and if anyone can post proof that its not .... I will stand by what I have always said ........................ ok thats enough for me on this thread ... coz everytime someone posts something on an F6 or T in here ... people get so denfensive ..... so enjoy the rest of ur week fellas :)

[seracing]

I wish i never wrote this thread now :lol: GAME OVER ;)

[vuster]

I agree with Flappist. At the end of the day these journo's are judged on how many sales they have done. Who wants to read about how Holden keeps dominating every month? Maybe true for die hard holden fans but for the rest of the public, they want to read about how the tall poppy falls. I think MOTOR journo's are full of it but it hasn't stopped me from buying their mags.

[hunted]

Take her to the track ... run the time and post the slip ... pretty easy ... or even join a club that runs private days (IMHO thats the best) .... you get to have your fun .. run your time .. and usualy there is a few of the types of cars you would love to run to compare your car too and see how it goes.


Agreed, i'm off this wkend.. i'll post some footage..

:)

[220i]

When they were talking about handling etc and said that the F6 is better, isn't that because they have a much newer chassis to play with. Maybe the real comparison will be an E series hsv, or whatever they'll call it. Also the LS2 doesn't seem to have the problems that the F6 did have, Ford get a chance at refining their product so when the next series comes out there will be refining of the LS2 thus making more of a proper comparison.

[Ghostdriver]

I dont go much into the handling and ride quality ...

Which is probably why you aren't a writer for a performance car magazine.

Anyone can produce a car that can go quick in a straight line. Even retarded monsters like the F250 or Dodge Ram can be made do that.

What makes cars like the Clubsport, Typhoon, SS, XR, etc. special is the ability to go fast 'round corners without killing yourself. Far harder to do and far more impressive when it's done properly.

[Cainer]

Heya, you say you beat a "F6 Typhoon Ute (MK2)"
How do you know it was a MKII??

curious??

and is your car stock?

Ta..

Owned by a mate.

i just have the standard - exhaust, extractors, induction, 3.91, mafless tune

[hunted]

Owned by a mate.

i just have the standard - exhaust, extractors, induction, 3.91, mafless tune


Owned by a mate, and you don't know it's a Tornado?? Not doubting u for a second, but i'm a car enthusiast & I follow all camps, and I know what's what, especially mates cars..
It's like sayin I slayed my mates Clubsport ute, everyone here would laugh at me..

2c anyway.

[flappist]

Owned by a mate.

i just have the standard - exhaust, extractors, induction, 3.91, mafless tune
Far be it for me to start a war but if your mate's vehicle is a Tornado i.e. F6 Ute then it must be less than 2 months old as they did not deliver any of them until late May.
Are you prepared to take him on again after he has run it in and had the same mods as you?
Actually the F6 does not need a CAI, exhaust or diff change, a set of injectors and ECU flash will get you into the 300rwkw++ range and there are quite a number of XR Turbos with that rwkw doing 11s.

Anyway I will be off to Willowbank in the near future and will probably run into the usual suspects (Mk12 pagey etc) while there so I will then have a bit of first hand knowlege of the cars capability. My GT-P used to do 14.2@103mph consistantly. I had a huge problem launching it as it was a manual fitted with standard Dunlop 9000s. The F6 feels much, much quicker but as stated by many.... the proof will be in the doing not the guessing.....

[djcrombie]

Is this not the Australian LS1 and Holden Forum?

I would be interested to know how many of the other forum members that drive a Holden, HSV or the like actually are members of a Ford oriented forum.

In no way am I am being narrrow minded, just interested?

[seracing]

I am , joined last night. started off on a great note buy starting a thread "f6 slow" it got moved to were i dont know . I just thought i would ask them why its slow and told them there's hope if a blueprint happen's like in the v8 supercars thats all :D

[PepeLePew]

Lots of LS1'ers are members over at AFF also....and other forums for that matter. Anyplace where its possible to have reasonable unbiased discussions I'll happily sign on and enjoy...

[flappist]

Many of the members here are members of other forums including fordforums.com.au. Ownership of a LS1 or Holden does not seem to be a prerequesite rather just an interest in such things.

If all of the members here (or other fora) were all one eyed zealots then the quality of the threads would decay until they reach the level seen in many of the ricer fully sic dude examples that abound. Fortuntately that hasn't happened here so subjects are still discussed fairly freely.

I, personally, have owned many Holdens over the years but at the moment my current vehicle is a FPV. One of the reasons it is not a HSV is that the nearext dealer that I would buy from is 300km. (There are a few other reasons that have been detailed in Area 51 and will stay there).

The title of the thread is F6 vs Z Clubby. I think it would be fairly boring if only those who owned an example of either vehicle (or both) were allowed to post and pretty silly if it were restricted to people who had never driven either.

I own a F6 (actually I have owned two) so I posted a few thoughts. You will not find posts by me in a VL turbo or SS 5.0 vs WRX thread because I have no first hand knowlege of any of these vehicles.

As far as the "F6 slow" thread in a Ford Forum.... If you are not known and you start like that it will be assumed you are a troll and you will be hammered accordingly. Can you imagine what would happen in a I started a "LS1, rattle and eat oil a lot" thread? I would arrive home and find my house painted black (with matches).

But to answer you question. I know why GT-Ps are slow, I drove one for two years but I suspect the F6 is not as slow as it currently appears. The fastest runs over 400m are by autos, there in no F6 auto at this time (released 13/10/05). The only magazine tests does so far are all with the same demo car that was a test mule for the clutch fix so it could be in any condition.
The clutch fixed units have only been around since May so they are ALL very low kilometre and new.
The F6 may be a dud but it also may not, only time will tell. I like mine. I actually bought my first one as a fill in because someone offered me TOO much money for my GT-P. It was cheap ($53k) and easy (it was in the showroom, I just walked in, asked for a cheap price, gave them the money and drove it away 3 hours later). I was also looking at a GTO but there was a 6 week delivery wait and I am an impatient prick. My F6 will last me another 18 months or so and then I will decide on whether I buy a VE or the new alloy V8 GT(HO) or maybe another F6 or a possible TT V6 HSV, I will worry about it then.

[hunted]

Far be it for me to start a war but if your mate's vehicle is a Tornado i.e. F6 Ute then it must be less than 2 months old as they did not deliver any of them until late May.




Correction Flappist, minor, yes, but I have an April build Tornado!!. :)

I am also a member of a Mitsubishi Forum for evos, and general automotive forums..

[flappist]

Correction Flappist, minor, yes, but I have an April build Tornado!!. :)

I am also a member of a Mitsubishi Forum for evos, and general automotive forums..
Yes mine is April build too, but it did not arrive until May, what is the month on your rego sticker?

[markone2]

Anyway I will be off to Willowbank in the near future and will probably run into the usual suspects (Mk12 pagey etc) while there so I will then have a bit of first hand knowlege of the cars capability. My GT-P used to do 14.2@103mph consistantly. I had a huge problem launching it as it was a manual fitted with standard Dunlop 9000s. The F6 feels much, much quicker but as stated by many.... the proof will be in the doing not the guessing.....



Indeed Mr flappist…..your next visit to the staging lanes is eagerly anticipated... :) some of us are keen to your see new addition run…..and run hard. :burnout: .a little healthy competition is a good thing in my book……

[seracing]

Many of the members here are members of other forums including fordforums.com.au. Ownership of a LS1 or Holden does not seem to be a prerequesite rather just an interest in such things.

If all of the members here (or other fora) were all one eyed zealots then the quality of the threads would decay until they reach the level seen in many of the ricer fully sic dude examples that abound. Fortuntately that hasn't happened here so subjects are still discussed fairly freely.

I, personally, have owned many Holdens over the years but at the moment my current vehicle is a FPV. One of the reasons it is not a HSV is that the nearext dealer that I would buy from is 300km. (There are a few other reasons that have been detailed in Area 51 and will stay there).

The title of the thread is F6 vs Z Clubby. I think it would be fairly boring if only those who owned an example of either vehicle (or both) were allowed to post and pretty silly if it were restricted to people who had never driven either.

I own a F6 (actually I have owned two) so I posted a few thoughts. You will not find posts by me in a VL turbo or SS 5.0 vs WRX thread because I have no first hand knowlege of any of these vehicles.

As far as the "F6 slow" thread in a Ford Forum.... If you are not known and you start like that it will be assumed you are a troll and you will be hammered accordingly. Can you imagine what would happen in a I started a "LS1, rattle and eat oil a lot" thread? I would arrive home and find my house painted black (with matches).

But to answer you question. I know why GT-Ps are slow, I drove one for two years but I suspect the F6 is not as slow as it currently appears. The fastest runs over 400m are by autos, there in no F6 auto at this time (released 13/10/05). The only magazine tests does so far are all with the same demo car that was a test mule for the clutch fix so it could be in any condition.
The clutch fixed units have only been around since May so they are ALL very low kilometre and new.
The F6 may be a dud but it also may not, only time will tell. I like mine. I actually bought my first one as a fill in because someone offered me TOO much money for my GT-P. It was cheap ($53k) and easy (it was in the showroom, I just walked in, asked for a cheap price, gave them the money and drove it away 3 hours later). I was also looking at a GTO but there was a 6 week delivery wait and I am an impatient prick. My F6 will last me another 18 months or so and then I will decide on whether I buy a VE or the new alloy V8 GT(HO) or maybe another F6 or a possible TT V6 HSV, I will worry about it then.
just having some fun and doing a bit of fishing ha set the hook real fast wish it was like that up this way. we all enjoy cars thats the main thing.

[96ss]

i think the main thing here also is both cars have their good and bad points.its good to see both ford and hsv finally offering decent upgrade parts i.e koni`s brembos,ap racing,ohlins instead of ex factory parts,these cars are designed to be performance cars not upgraded execs or xt`s,dont mean to offend ppl, but i think its great to see ford and hsv come to the party and build better cars.

[turbo6]

It is good to see that there are guys around that just like performance cars for that reason regardless of the badge on the bonnet. While I may never own a Holden, it doesn't matter as I do respect them. I pick my new F6 up next week, and after test driving one, it certainly didn't have the go like my turbo ute does - but then I wouldn't expect it to.....yet. After spending a ridiculously minimal amount of money, my XR6 turbo ute has (ChipTorque proven) 300RWKW and would be dreadfully slow down the quarter. It is a manual and honestly, you cannot use first gear - or second really for that matter. Great fun though! And that is why I love these cars, they are so easily modified! Nothing a stage 3 Nizpro kit on the F6 won't fix - 400RWKW's anyone? :D

[RED R8]

It is good to see that there are guys around that just like performance cars for that reason regardless of the badge on the bonnet. While I may never own a Holden, it doesn't matter as I do respect them. I pick my new F6 up next week, and after test driving one, it certainly didn't have the go like my turbo ute does - but then I wouldn't expect it to.....yet. After spending a ridiculously minimal amount of money, my XR6 turbo ute has (ChipTorque proven) 300RWKW and would be dreadfully slow down the quarter. It is a manual and honestly, you cannot use first gear - or second really for that matter. Great fun though! And that is why I love these cars, they are so easily modified! Nothing a stage 3 Nizpro kit on the F6 won't fix - 400RWKW's anyone? :D
Isnt 300 rwkw's in a ford about the same as 240 rwkw's in a holden due to the ford being a fatty making it (Fat and ugly :lol: :lol: :lol: )

[turbo6]

Yep! Especially in the fat ass ute!!!!!!! :D

[flappist]

Isnt 300 rwkw's in a ford about the same as 240 rwkw's in a holden due to the ford being a fatty making it (Fat and ugly :lol: :lol: :lol: )
F6 weighs about 50kgs more than a Z Clubby according to the magazines.
Interestingly, I just went to hsv.com.au to check my info and there is no weight data anywhere.....????????...

I checked the Holden site and it reckons a VZ SS weighs 1650kg. FPV reckon a F6 weighs 1776kg.
A Z series Clubby has a few more (heavier) goodies than the SS e.g. brakes, seats etc. I do not know if the LS2 & trans is heavier than the LS1 & trans.
Maybe someone here can provide and exact weight.
As far a ugly, remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are people who thing that Hyundais and SAABs are sporty.

Anyway, as I have stated before, 400m is the domain of the auto transmission. By Xmas the 6 speed auto F6 will be tested publicly and the final judgement made. It may be a dud and then again it may not. It will however crack me up if it pisses all over the GT as that will REALLY start a war.

[turbo6]

One of the guys I work with picked up his brand spankers GT-P yesterday afternoon - manual. When I get my F6 next week and after a few thousand km's on both, we will line them up in all sorts of acceleration tests while mine is standard and bring you the results........if you want. They will be posted on other forums also.

[PepeLePew]

I'll have one of each thanks.

:D

[The Warden]

F6 weighs about 50kgs more than a Z Clubby according to the magazines.
Interestingly, I just went to hsv.com.au to check my info and there is no weight data anywhere.....????????...


Flappist: Most reliable weight info on a VZ clubbie I could find is in NZ Autocar magazine July issue, they corner weigh the car. Stated a VZ R8 with a full tank at 1734kg. I would expect an R8 to be a few kilos heavier than a standard clubbie due to the larger brakes/rotors and better front seats but would doubt there is more than 20-30kg between them.

Interestingly the corner weights were:
F left 445kg. F right 472kg R left 385kg R right 388kg which totals 1690kg, so I presume they did these weights before filling the tank up.

The FPV GT-P mk2 tested in the same storey weighed in at 1826kg with a full tank.

What's the F6's weight?

Cheers,

Gordie.

[COUPE]

I do not know if the LS2 & trans is heavier than the LS1 & trans.

I've got it somewhere stated that the LS2 engine is about 16% or 18% lighter than the outgoing LS1 ... it was in some press realease by HSV ... got it somewhere on PDF.


Anyway, as I have stated before, 400m is the domain of the auto transmission. By Xmas the 6 speed auto F6 will be tested publicly and the final judgement made. It may be a dud and then again it may not. It will however crack me up if it pisses all over the GT as that will REALLY start a war.

Yes it will be interesting to see how the F6 goes with an A6 ... Maybe even make the F6 better looking too would help :booty: :lol:

[Aloof]

Coupe, you really crack me up.

You still fail to understand the relevance of in-gear acceleration. This is where the F6 is unquestionably quicker than the LS2. The 0-100km and 400m times only test the car from stand still. While this is an important benchmark it is not the holy grail of performance. Most people in the know would say the real performance test is the in-gear acceleration times as this eliminates the human factor (launching these heavy beasts off the line).

The margin for 0-100km/h and 400m times between these cars is minimal compared to the significant gap in in-gear acceleration times. You see the F6 is a whole second quicker from 80-120km/h in 3rd, 4th and 5th gear and almost 3 seconds quicker in 6th. Now before you say nobody drives at that speed in 6th, I mention it only to illustrate the differneces between these cars.

I really hope you are enjoying you current ride and it seems obvious you are brand loyal. I just think the whole premise behind this thread is absurd. To think that Ford have somehow paid to sway a Motor Magazine comparison is simply ridiculous.

Just for laughs I want to test my car before and after my mods at Willowbank. My car is currently 100% stock and will soon have 300+rwkw. If anyone has plans to go in the next week or so I will take the "Pepsi Challenge". I'm confident of a sub 14 sec time stock and sub 12 sec modded.

[PepeLePew]

So I gather you havent been 'hosed' by any F6 Typhoons lately Aloof/Qiksmurf?

Always lovely to see you back stirring the pot....

[markone2]

Coupe, you really crack me up.



Just for laughs I want to test my car before and after my mods at Willowbank. My car is currently 100% stock and will soon have 300+rwkw. If anyone has plans to go in the next week or so I will take the "Pepsi Challenge". I'm confident of a sub 14 sec time stock and sub 12 sec modded.

Shall look forward to seeing you out there :) …..if your reasoning is correct your 300rwkw should give me a right royal dusting at the top end of the track.
115mph is the number you need to pass before your analogy of in gear acceleration holds any substance in my book….and that’s from 240rwkw ..I doubting you will get that Laugh..

[Nobby]

In these dragstrip comparisons, when car X outpaces car Y, and car Y's supporters arc up and say "Our car was heavier" and car X's supporters say "That doesnt matter, car X just rocks and car Y sucks hairy spheres", why dont we just equalise the cars weights by increasing the 'faster' cars weight with bricks, bags of cement etc (evenly distributed where possible) and re-run the comparison again. Purely in the name of 'Science and Making Some People Shut the **** Up'.

Fair enough, car X is usually lighter, so why dont we do these equalisation test variants just for arguments sake?

[turbo6]

There is more to life then 400 meters......... Doesn't anyone get off on late braking and corners anymore?

I personally couldn't care less about 400 meters, how does driving your car make you feel? Do you love it? 'cause that is all that matters. Holden / Ford whatever. If you're happy, then it doesn't really matter what Motor mag think. Beauty and all the rest are going to be in the (one)eye of the beholder. Enjoy your car I say and damn the rest :D

[Aloof]

Shall look forward to seeing you out there …..if your reasoning is correct your 300rwkw should give me a right royal dusting at the top end of the track.
115mph is the number you need to pass before your analogy of in gear acceleration holds any substance in my book….and that’s from 240rwkw ..I doubting you will get that Laugh..
19-07-2005 01:05 PM

Markone2, I think you misunderstood my point. What I was saying is that I want to see just how slow (or fast, whichever way you see the glass) my car is stock. I am under no illusion about the car I drive. I am hoping to get in the high 13's stock standard. Then I plan to do the mods and retry "hoping" to crack 12 sec with 300rwkw. Thats all I meant. I did not mean to say that mine is better (or faster) than yours. I am a car enthusiast and want to see the improvement in times with the mods. I would have thought some encouragment was in order. The last time we went to Willowbank in my mates car I saw a Skyline HR34 do 10.84 and everyone there cheered and applauded the effort when he returned to the staging lanes. It didn't matter what car people turned up in, the atmosphere was very friendly. Judging by your avitar you car would wipe the floor against my F6 and if I came across you on the road I would smile and give you a thumbs up.

BTW are you heading out that way soon? Apart from this weekend of course :lol:

[Aloof]

19-07-2005 01:05 PM
PepeLePew So I gather you havent been 'hosed' by any F6 Typhoons lately Aloof/Qiksmurf?

Always lovely to see you back stirring the pot....
19-07-2005 12:39 PM


Pepe,

Not sure if you know who I am but I'm known as QikSmurf in another Forum and Aloof in this one. The thread you alude to is ancient history and as it clearly reads "Formally QikSmurf". :p I am not about to go over the same old ground again. In answer to your question, I haven't had another Typhoon run against my F6. Kind of seems like canabalism to me. :lol: If you don't like my comments and opinions, don't read them. :box:

[BLK6T]

Personally after driving both recently they perform differently in that the Clubby had lots more down low but the phoon came on stronger between 2000-4000rpm. The clubby had a bit more go over 4000rpm. Both beautiful cars to drive. But honestly the phoon is a great car and over time will only get alot better with R & D.

[rednut99]

Is it just me or has everyone forgoten that Magazines (like MOTOR) achieve slower times because they time the actual 400m from start to finish as apposed to the drag strip which times you crossing the 1st beam and the last beam. If you shallow stage you can be travelling at over 6kmh when you cross the timing beam which will give you a couple of tenths or more at the other end in your favour.

SO those of you in stock LS1s pulling high 13s and saying they are faster than some FPV products etc but are only comparing them to magazine times, then I must sadly remind you that your probably driving at 14sec car too.

The in gear accelaration is what really indicates accelaration vs HP, because you take out reaction, staging, gear changing and traction which all increase your ET at the end of the day and can make a slower car look faster.

Funny how not one LS1 I have rolled on with can match the XR6 (with edit) for initial thrust, those that have more obviously streak ahead (eventually) bit every time I see myself in front first then waiting to be beaten, and some times I just don't lose (and sometimes I get totally flogged! - and rightfully so).

My 2c

[turbocorty]

Hi Guy's

Not here to start arguments, just to state the facts.

I owned a VX SS for 3 years and enjoyed it very much. It ran a best time of 14.1 down the quarter. I have driven almost all the Holden HSV's including the 6litre mosters and must say they go very good!

I now own a Typhoon and after reading some of the responses on this forum, I had to go to calder and time my totally standard car. In comparison to the 297kw Holden...well take a look at my time and make your decision. They are pretty close in my books.

The result was a 13.2@104.8mph on my first run. I did this only to prove that these cars have been caught up in some sort of conspiricy to report them as slugs.

Anyway..this is my 2c

Cheers

[rednut99]

Hi Guy's

Not here to start arguments, just to state the facts.

I owned a VX SS for 3 years and enjoyed it very much. It ran a best time of 14.1 down the quarter. I have driven almost all the Holden HSV's including the 6litre mosters and must say they go very good!

I now own a Typhoon and after reading some of the responses on this forum, I had to go to calder and time my totally standard car. In comparison to the 297kw Holden...well take a look at my time and make your decision. They are pretty close in my books.

The result was a 13.2@104.8mph on my first run. I did this only to prove that these cars have been caught up in some sort of conspiricy to report them as slugs.

Anyway..this is my 2c

Cheers


Yeah right... how me a video of you doing it, my car has more much more power than an F6 and it can barely do that time. :lol:

[turbocorty]

hope you are joking rednut :eek:

You can ask anyone at calder last night for proof if it makes you happy ;)

cheers

[Deano T]

He's right, there were plenty of witnesses from the xr6 turbo forum there to see it.

[M&Ms]

Totally stock you say?

[vuster]

Nice work Turbocorty. Very impressive time.
micmansour, his car is totally stock as he mentioned it in the other forum.

[M&Ms]

Very nice time... Shows these cars do have it in them to run 13 sec passes. Great to see the Typhoon starting to get up off its feet.

[pagey]

FLAPPIST..

Good to see you are back into it mate. And i totally agree with your comments mate, you can't teach some of the cyclops' around here :lol:

I have seen some pretty disturbing failures in 2 GTP's recently when pushing the 300rwkw mark.. seems there is a distintive achilees heel.

Will pm for a chat -

P.s the GT40 is being regod as we speak (with efi to comply)

P.P.S. I might have to wait a little bit to run you again in the F6.. had a disagreement with a concrete wall :(

cheers pagey

[COUPE]

SO those of you in stock LS1s pulling high 13s and saying they are faster than some FPV products etc but are only comparing them to magazine times, then I must sadly remind you that your probably driving at 14sec car too.


What a joke ... ok everyone according to rednut99 take off a whole 1 second off your time slips (unless its a Ford ofcourse), and this will give you your real ET :lol: :lol: :lol: Mate you get funnier by the minute.




The in gear accelaration is what really indicates accelaration vs HP, because you take out reaction, staging, gear changing and traction which all increase your ET at the end of the day and can make a slower car look faster.


ET is not affected by reaction time, clown ... obviously you've never raced on the strip before.




Funny how not one LS1 I have rolled on with can match the XR6 (with edit) for initial thrust, those that have more obviously streak ahead (eventually) bit every time I see myself in front first then waiting to be beaten, and some times I just don't lose (and sometimes I get totally flogged! - and rightfully so).


You've chopped nothing but you mouth off .... got to the track ... run your time .. and post your slip ... until them in my books ... your full of it!




My 2c

exactly ... thats what your post was worth.

[COUPE]

Hi Guy's

Not here to start arguments, just to state the facts.

I owned a VX SS for 3 years and enjoyed it very much. It ran a best time of 14.1 down the quarter. I have driven almost all the Holden HSV's including the 6litre mosters and must say they go very good!

I now own a Typhoon and after reading some of the responses on this forum, I had to go to calder and time my totally standard car. In comparison to the 297kw Holden...well take a look at my time and make your decision. They are pretty close in my books.

The result was a 13.2@104.8mph on my first run. I did this only to prove that these cars have been caught up in some sort of conspiricy to report them as slugs.

Anyway..this is my 2c

Cheers


Not denying or accepting your claims ... It's very hard to tell if a car has been edited unless the owner is honest firstly.

It would be nice if you posted a slip for us all to see ... cant see why not .. there is no personal info on them.

Just strange trying to figure out how you have run just about a whole second faster in a standard F6 than anyone else ever has ..... Again if any other standard F6 owners have run even a time close to this I will stand corrected and become a believer :bow: :D

(I've chopped a few F6's to date and some lightly modded T's ... i guess they were all crappy drivers ... or the Sydney Fords are slower ... who knows ... I'm still waiting for my flogging by one ... according to most it should happen soon :lol: ... still waiting though, but just incase I wont hold me breath)

[VooDoo]

Not denying or accepting your claims ... It's very hard to tell if a car has been edited unless the owner is honest firstly.

It would be nice if you posted a slip for us all to see ... cant see why not .. there is no personal info on them.

Just strange trying to figure out how you have run just about a whole second faster in a standard F6 than anyone else ever has ..... Again if any other standard F6 owners have run even a time close to this I will stand corrected and become a believer :bow: :D

(I've chopped a few F6's to date and some lightly modded T's ... i guess they were all crappy drivers ... or the Sydney Fords are slower ... who knows ... I'm still waiting for my flogging by one ... according to most it should happen soon :lol: ... still waiting though, but just incase I wont hold me breath)

According to the Ford Forums there are 3 cars doing 12's or under and a total of 17 doing 13's. Based on this the chances of you finding one on the roads is rare. Ive never seen one myself (Geea of course is well known though). When he posted his 13.2 time on FF they actually didnt believe him. I think it would be great if it was true. About time the fords got a bit more compeditive and gave our stockers a run :lol:

[JEM]

Hi all

Definitely a great result by turbocorty. Well done mate :)

He has posted his timeslip on several other forums to prove his run... i'll leave it up to him to post it hear if he feels like he has to.

After driving an XR6T mule (new one coming with 6spd auto :cool: ) they really are a different animal to drive and need to be launched with care to get the best out of them. TurboCorty hit the nail on the head when he described his run - to get these things to launch hard and fast, time needs to be taked to spool up the turbo (not a lengthy amount by any means), then slowly ride the clutch out in the manual version. TurboCorty's 60 foot time proves it can be done in under 2 seconds.

How this translates the the real world and effectiveness on the road may be a different story though, it's not that pratical to be using this method at every TL drag some may choose to be a part of. They are still great cars and definitely no slouches.

I'll be testing the XR8 on Tuesday night with the new Auto, should be great :p

Cheers,

[turbocorty]

Hi Guys,

I knew it was going to be difficult to prove the 13.2 second pass. I myself was shocked when I finished the quarter and looked up at the time!
The car is stock - Period!
Even with a bogged takeoff, I managed a 13.5. I guess you should all be convinced when more and more standard F6's start running simmilar times.

Anyway, this is good for Ford and Holden fans...It gives us something to argue about.

I am not allowed to post attachments on this forum so I will add a link.

Timeslip (http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=14495)

[markone2]

BTW are you heading out that way soon? Apart from this weekend of course :lol:


This Wednesday...forecast is for good weather...Beautifull sunny QLD winter day and a nice cool night with temps expected to drop under 16 deg... :)

ps...re Skyline driver...this fine upstanding Gentleman goes under the monicker of hothouse ss ute and quite rightly is applauded by all...for he is a wise man indeed ,as can be witnessed by the other vehicle he has raced with excellent results down Willowbanks fine stretch of blacktop..noteably one VY SS ute :D

[COUPE]

Hi Guys,

I knew it was going to be difficult to prove the 13.2 second pass. I myself was shocked when I finished the quarter and looked up at the time!
The car is stock - Period!
Even with a bogged takeoff, I managed a 13.5. I guess you should all be convinced when more and more standard F6's start running simmilar times.

Anyway, this is good for Ford and Holden fans...It gives us something to argue about.

I am not allowed to post attachments on this forum so I will add a link.

Timeslip (http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=14495)


Congrats! (if the car is indeed bog stock, only you know) ... Maybe its just me but I dont trust anyone these days ;)

Still very good time ... why the mags can't get close to these surprises me ... also on the street the few I've come up against I took easily ... (yes all from a standing start).

Nevertheless I do take my hat off to you ... and nice to see people back up claims of the times they run with a simple slip.

I'm patiently waiting to see what the GTO will pull standard :nyuk: , and will post.

[COUPE]

Hi all

Definitely a great result by turbocorty. Well done mate :)

He has posted his timeslip on several other forums to prove his run... i'll leave it up to him to post it hear if he feels like he has to.

After driving an XR6T mule (new one coming with 6spd auto :cool: ) they really are a different animal to drive and need to be launched with care to get the best out of them. TurboCorty hit the nail on the head when he described his run - to get these things to launch hard and fast, time needs to be taked to spool up the turbo (not a lengthy amount by any means), then slowly ride the clutch out in the manual version. TurboCorty's 60 foot time proves it can be done in under 2 seconds.

How this translates the the real world and effectiveness on the road may be a different story though, it's not that pratical to be using this method at every TL drag some may choose to be a part of. They are still great cars and definitely no slouches.

I'll be testing the XR8 on Tuesday night with the new Auto, should be great :p

Cheers,


Interesting ... you must work for Ford then? ... What in your opinion feels quicker? the M6 or A6? ... Also let us all know what you think about the A6 in the 8.

[rednut99]

What a joke ... ok everyone according to rednut99 take off a whole 1 second off your time slips (unless its a Ford ofcourse), and this will give you your real ET :lol: :lol: :lol: Mate you get funnier by the minute.




ET is not affected by reaction time, clown ... obviously you've never raced on the strip before.




You've chopped nothing but you mouth off .... got to the track ... run your time .. and post your slip ... until them in my books ... your full of it!




exactly ... thats what your post was worth.


Yeah thanks Coupe - you sound like a good bloke, I envy you. However I did not mention anything about reaction time. You could sit at the Xmas tree for 5 minutes if you like, with a shallow stage, then go, by the time you cross the beam (even if it is 5min later) you'll probably be travelling around 6km when the timer starts your 1/4 run, with a 6kmh head start how do you think this would affect your time 400m later. A lot. And if you want proof, the latest edition of motor explains it better than I can.

If I remember correctly the porsche ran an 11sec 1/4 but the correvitt (or microwave timer) recorded around 0.5sec slower. Every time. The track was faster. The reason was because the shallow staged the porsce, and by the time they crossed the beam they were moving.

If anyone wants to test it out simply try this. When you stage up, do a run by stopping immediately on the double yellow light. Then do one by driving past the lights and reversing slowly untill both lights turn on. Your second run will be slower than the first and you would have covered a shorter distance as well.

Pleas refrain from abusing me mate, I'm young but not stupid, and there is no need to talk like that. Cheers.

PS - I'm not talking shit, I save that for some of my clients because they ARE stupid. If you were in Queensland I would gladly hand you your GTO's arse for free by a leaf sprung redneck cart that cost half as much and being piloted by a 23 yo. :booty:

[rednut99]

Page 61 - Motor: (paraphrased)

VBox 0.4sec slower than the track timers. Blame roll out. Two staging beams mark start line, timer starts when the car passes the second beam. Hard launching car covers 30cm and is traveling at 7kmh by this distance which translates to a time that is inaccurate against magazine figures. So while motors figures are accurate, strip times will always be faster by 0.2 to 0.4 secs.

So any one out there with a LS1 Commodore doing sub 1.9sec 60footers and is in the high 13s for a stock car is more than likely driving a 14sec car.

As for me is I run a 12.9 I am still in a 13 sec car. And for the F6 which Managed a 13.2, to campare it to motors efforts it will be more than likely be a 13.6 (which is still way faster).

So if a stock LS2 has managed a 13.1 with Motor then it should cross the strip in 12.8 seconds or so. Assuming the dragstrip isn't uphill like Willowbank (which I helped construct).

Porsche on Vbox 12.2, according to the drag strip 11.9 both at 186km/h.

[Buf-Phoon]

Whilst there is plenty of debate as to whether the F6 is quick , I will wade in with my personal opinion. After getting out of a 12.7 sec auto T into a stock Phoon I was extremely impressed with the pull the Phoon provided once rolling, I have no doubt that the manual Phoon would have held its own against the T in this regard.

Arseometer tells me the Phoon would be good for a middish 13 sec pass, even as a manual.The secret I believe is in the launch with these cars. Turbo Corty pulled a very nice 60' and I believe this contributed in no small way to his time( also nice cold Calder air LOL)

Anyone who thinks that a std T manual or auto will hose a Phoon is dreaming ( I have owned both) and for that matter an edit only manual Mk1 T owning a GTO has no place in reality IMO.Manual Clubby V Manual Phoon all comes down to the driver I reckon , there is not that much in it.
Both great cars , comes down to personal preference at time of time purchase

Looks like I will have to get the Phoon down to WSID prior to mods. Just hope that I dont **** it up and ruin a great cars rep as a consequence. No pressure......

[Aloof]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloof
BTW are you heading out that way soon? Apart from this weekend of course




This Wednesday...forecast is for good weather...Beautifull sunny QLD winter day and a nice cool night with temps expected to drop under 16 deg...

Markone2:

This Wednesday sounds good. What time?
BTW I'm not promising anything spectacular, I just want a baseline "stock" time before I get the mods. If I can get into the 13's then I'll be smiling.

Look forward to seeing you there!

[Buf-Phoon]

Ummmm scuse me Rednut , when have you ever run a 12.9 in a manual edit only T ute ??. Or am I taking your post out of context ???

[Aloof]

Just read the Turbocity did a 13.2 sec 1/4mile in a stock F6! Even the most diehard Holden supporter would be impressed with that.

It looks like I will take my car to Willowbank this Wednesday and give the girl a run. Talk about pressure! If she only does 14's everyone will say Turbocity's car was modded. I can only hope to get in the same ballpark and backup this fantastic number.

[markone2]

Quote:

This Wednesday sounds good. What time?
BTW I'm not promising anything spectacular, I just want a baseline "stock" time before I get the mods. If I can get into the 13's then I'll be smiling.

Look forward to seeing you there!

5.30pm kick-off.....If you hang around till they call last run you may just get your wish imho......I have noticed the Fords (all models ) enjoy the lower temps just as much as our beloved Gen111's :burnout:

[Aloof]

5.30pm kick-off.....If you hang around till they call last run you may just get your wish imho......I have noticed the Fords (all models ) enjoy the lower temps just as much as our beloved Gen111's :burnout:

I'll see you there. I'll be in the undercoat colour Typhoon the Ford people like to call "Lightening Strike". :lol:

[ADSXR8]

Not denying or accepting your claims ... It's very hard to tell if a car has been edited unless the owner is honest firstly.

It would be nice if you posted a slip for us all to see ... cant see why not .. there is no personal info on them.

Just strange trying to figure out how you have run just about a whole second faster in a standard F6 than anyone else ever has ..... Again if any other standard F6 owners have run even a time close to this I will stand corrected and become a believer :bow: :D

(I've chopped a few F6's to date and some lightly modded T's ... i guess they were all crappy drivers ... or the Sydney Fords are slower ... who knows ... I'm still waiting for my flogging by one ... according to most it should happen soon :lol: ... still waiting though, but just incase I wont hold me breath)

You have asked plenty of other people to provide proof? Where is yours? Being such a Ford expert how did you know the T's where slightly modified? Your Holden is not unbeatable and perhaps we should meet at the WSID sooner rather than later.

[Andrew297]

VZ Clubbie owners manual lists the kerb weight of an auto as 1693kg.

Interesting sidenote: the engine is described in the engine specs as a "Generation IV" V8. This is the only place Ive ever seen it in writing, as everything else says LS2.

[JEM]

Interesting ... you must work for Ford then? ... What in your opinion feels quicker? the M6 or A6? ... Also let us all know what you think about the A6 in the 8.

hi Coupe,

No i don't work there, just have good contacts ;)

I haven't driven the 6spd manual, just the 5spd MKI XR8, so can't really provide a reasonable comparison between any of hte cars, mainly because these new cars i've driven lately have all been in the wet/slippery conditions, not the best for determining how hard these performance cars can go.

I just peeled my arse out of the 6spd auto XR8, slippery to wet conditions tonight, not allowed to disable traction control (not that you'd really want to in these conditions though), clocked up almost 200k's, giving it the full boot wherever possible, but not speeding...

The thing is a great car to drive, impossible to compare to the turbo Ute we had simply because the conditions outlined above and not being able to fully push it.

We took it to some nice bits of blacktop, for the melbourne people, we drove up around yarra boulevard, sections of dry road where i was able to give it a good boot. Pushing it in 1st is almost impossible with traction control kicking in and fuel cutout/rev limiter occuring when the needle zooms up above 6000rpm, there's so much pull in this thing, with a viscious thrust above 4000rpm.

I really enjoyed the ride, very smooth and subtle on quality roads, but come the twisty and bumpy stuff, the car is very composed and planted, with hardly any noticable body role. I didn't really notice much push in the front when pushing through tight corners, but i'm sure that was because i wasn't pushing the car hard enough.

I've driven several variants with the 6spd auto, it's a great box, it just seems to get the best out of the engines with closer ratios for optimised power delivery through the gears. It's quick to shift in manual mode and pretty good in adaptive mode with some cool features for fuel saving.

What's faster, no idea, they both felt very powerful and quick, but until we get some better driving conditions, i couldn't make a decision.

The sound is damn nice in the XR8 though, first starts of with a roaring induction noise, then as revs go past 3500rpm where the engine really starts opening up, that rumble just takes over :cool:

Other than that, there really isn't mush else to report on, these mules look exactly like the current ones (apart from the new stick), so i suspect either the visual changes are minimal or just not revealed in these test cars. Mechaniclly, there may be other changes, but they aren't easily identified. I hear there are significant changes to suspension, ABS systems and so on.

fuel consumption - ~15L/100 on the trip (heavy heavy foot)
rpm'@100km/h in 6th - ~1,600

cheers

[M&Ms]

Hi Jem,

Can you tell me what the 6 speed stick is like and how the tiptronic works? Is it like the current 4-speeds or does it have steering wheel paddles? Is down still to shift up and Up to shift down (i.e. the way it's supposed to be) or have Ford decided to screw up a good thing?
Thanks

[JEM]

Hi Jem,

Can you tell me what the 6 speed stick is like and how the tiptronic works? Is it like the current 4-speeds or does it have steering wheel paddles? Is down still to shift up and Up to shift down (i.e. the way it's supposed to be) or have Ford decided to screw up a good thing?
Thanks

no paddles, but the config is still the way it should be. Pull back to shift up through the gears, push forward to go down the gears.

[Venom XR]

Ford do it the same way BMW do. The momentum of braking pushes you forward, thus downshifting is in that direction, vice-versa with acceleration/upshifting. Mitsubishi has it wrong...

[Gold Muscle]

i have a few general questions, Why r we comparing a V8 to a turbo? The ford turbos are so credited to be high performers. Yes they are but is this to fords credit? I dont think so. To my knowledge the turbos are manufactured by the same company that make the turbos for the skyline GTR's. So in essense, we are comparing a V8 to a rice burner. An insult. Why is a turbo classified a muscle car? its the turbo that makes it powerful, not the engine itself. Ford fans can talk it up as much as they want, but at the end of the day... lets compare V8 to V8. In my opinion, XR6 turbos were a desperate ploy to get an "edge" in the high performance car scene. Dont get me wrong, turbos fly....as i have found out, but, its credit to the turbo, not the pure performance of the engine. Nothing revs like a chev.

[Ghia351]

hi Coupe,

No i don't work there, just have good contacts ;)
It makes those late night visits by the "contacts" interesting dosen't it? You didn't mention it so I'd says it's not a factor anymore but did you notice if the A6 tried to get into top gear too quickly when say pulling away from the kerb at a moderate only pace and lugged a little in top when at 60-70 and cruising. This was my only issue when I had a drive once of an XR6T. What was scarey was the realisation, made by my passenger very quickly, that I was doing 120km/hr in a 60 zone only becasue having just stepped out of my own car the sense of speed was so much lower factoring in engine noise. 2nd-3rd-4th rolling acceleration was stunning. :D

[flappist]

i have a few general questions, Why r we comparing a V8 to a turbo? The ford turbos are so credited to be high performers. Yes they are but is this to fords credit? I dont think so. To my knowledge the turbos are manufactured by the same company that make the turbos for the skyline GTR's. So in essense, we are comparing a V8 to a rice burner. An insult. Why is a turbo classified a muscle car? its the turbo that makes it powerful, not the engine itself. Ford fans can talk it up as much as they want, but at the end of the day... lets compare V8 to V8. In my opinion, XR6 turbos were a desperate ploy to get an "edge" in the high performance car scene. Dont get me wrong, turbos fly....as i have found out, but, its credit to the turbo, not the pure performance of the engine. Nothing revs like a chev.
Maybe because this thread consists of discussion based on the MOTOR article about F6s vs Clubbys. Does you mummy know you are playing on her computer?

[Aloof]

I ran the F6 tonight @ Willowbank and on the first run did 14.1 @ 101mph.

Subsequent run bagged up on the line so it was a fizzer. I honestly believe that with a practiced start this car could do mid-high 13's. Overall I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't do 13. but I am not ashamed of my effort on my first trip down the strip (spectator previously).

Back on topic, one thing that seems obvious is that the F6 is hard to launch off the line. 2.259 60ft and 6.1 sec to 330ft tell the story. With extra horsepower the balance between good start and wheelspin will only get harder to judge.

I plan to take it to the strip one more time before I get the mods. I want to show it can do 13's.

Off topic: I noticed some modified LS1's and XR8's doing high 12's- mid 13's. I thought the track conditions would have been more conducive to quicker times?

[PepeLePew]

I ran the F6 tonight @ Willowbank and on the first run did 14.1 @ 101mph.

Subsequent run bagged up on the line so it was a fizzer. I honestly believe that with a practiced start this car could do mid-high 13's. Overall I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't do 13. but I am not ashamed of my effort on my first trip down the strip (spectator previously).

Back on topic, one thing that seems obvious is that the F6 is hard to launch off the line. 2.259 60ft and 6.1 sec to 330ft tell the story. With extra horsepower the balance between good start and wheelspin will only get harder to judge.

I plan to take it to the strip one more time before I get the mods. I want to show it can do 13's.

Off topic: I noticed some modified LS1's and XR8's doing high 12's- mid 13's. I thought the track conditions would have been more conducive to quicker times?

Well done sir for getting out there, Im sure those times will drop a bomb with more familiarity....

[plonkerchops]

I ran the F6 tonight @ Willowbank and on the first run did 14.1 @ 101mph.

Subsequent run bagged up on the line so it was a fizzer. I honestly believe that with a practiced start this car could do mid-high 13's. Overall I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't do 13. but I am not ashamed of my effort on my first trip down the strip (spectator previously).

Back on topic, one thing that seems obvious is that the F6 is hard to launch off the line. 2.259 60ft and 6.1 sec to 330ft tell the story. With extra horsepower the balance between good start and wheelspin will only get harder to judge.

I plan to take it to the strip one more time before I get the mods. I want to show it can do 13's.

Off topic: I noticed some modified LS1's and XR8's doing high 12's- mid 13's. I thought the track conditions would have been more conducive to quicker times?
I think he deserves some kudos for having the balls to post his time , albiet his first attempt with risk of a bollocking :cheers:

[markone2]

I ran the F6 tonight @ Willowbank and on the first run did 14.1 @ 101mph.

Off topic: I noticed some modified LS1's and XR8's doing high 12's- mid 13's. I thought the track conditions would have been more conducive to quicker times?


I concur with Mr Plonkerchops ,good on yer for posting your slip..we must all begin somewhere and not all new-comers to the track are quite that brave imho ..as stated above ...plenty kudos for doing so. :thumbsup:

I must however correct you on your observations….the cars you observed running high 12 seconds were unopened mafless tuned LS1’s ,with the *Dark Force* running Blowen ( Supercharged AND intercooled) BA XR8’s.and GT’s to achieve the 12's

One wee Red car and two Black PT utes turned in respectable back to back 11 second runs all night. With the *hazard ute returning a credible 11.4 while dealing with major transmission problems…a problem shared believe me

Weather did not become conductive to fast running until 8.30pm when it dropped quickly to 17 Deg / 87% Humidity . At 6.30 we were still coping with 20 Deg temps / high Humidity and pretty ordinary air density readings imho

[vuster]

Well done Aloof. For a first timer that's a good effort. Better than MOTOR's original time.

[Khass]

Gday mate
just did the same traded VXSS after four years best thing iever did was to get into an F6 cheers

[flappist]

Willowbank last night:-

13.879@102.25 60'@2.213
19deg OAT,75%H,QNH1022, 572RA, 22deg TT

Absolutely factory standard, original tyres@road pressure, BP Ultimate

Will be a lot quicker when I learn how to drive :lol:

[vuster]

Nice work.
You still got 0.679 seconds to shave ;)

[NODDY347]

Willowbank last night:-

13.879@102.25 60'@2.213
19deg OAT,75%H,QNH1022, 572RA, 22deg TT

Absolutely factory standard, original tyres@road pressure, BP Ultimate

Will be a lot quicker when I learn how to drive :lol:

nice work flappist.

[myles]

Good work Flappist. :)

[rs2000]

good work flappist..

[payaya]

Hey guys im a die hard Ford fans, to be honest i dont really like my Holdens. The thing is i give credit where its due!

I dont like holdens because of their stupid, tranny and how their suspension system is pre historic. This is the reason why i'll never own a holden, because i know whats underneath it. With the new VE i would see the great leap in tech change and i might see myself in one.

BUT!! A BIT BUT all i can say is from all this slapping and banging of parts, Holden have created a monster with the Gen III into the Commodore. I know for a fact a Commodore will beat a Falcon, its an absolute beast in a strait line and around a track. It might not do it smoothly but its gets around a race track, strait line quicker than the Falcon, even when the Falcon, i can say it lightyears ahead with their DOHC V8 and suspension.

where does the Falcon fail? Its geat to drive, handles great but the damn thing weighs too much. Its basic physics, Falcon has gotten heavier because of improvements to its chassis, suspension, and engines. You can see it. From leaf springs to IRS, gained lots of weight, Stiffer chassis, more weight, push rogs to DOHC more weight.

The germans have graudually put on more weight, but they make use of their aluminium, carbon fibre, magnesium, etc. But they can afford to do this, they are expensive for a reason.

what about VE? Do we expect more weight? You can count of it! How much? Dont know, but i can say with certainty its gonig to happen.

The VT-VZ series have been freaks i can believe that, even the biggest die hard Ford fans would somewhere in their heads. Will the VE be slower than the VT/VZ series?

But i guess we are really lucky to have what we do in australia, both the Ford and Holden deserve credit for creating such good cars with such a limited population!