List of prohibited vehicles - RTA

[webwombat]

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/p1p2_conditions_dl1.html

Interesting to see list of cars banned from RTA for new provisional (P1 and P2) drivers in NSW

[Old Kiwi]

Interesting that Audi's 'low-blow' turbo'd cars are banned, they only produce about 120kw's

[Phido]

Meanwhile you can get into most Lotus's. Including the track ready, hard core Exige.. Which has ~140kw for the 600kg of kerb weight.

This just confirms what everyone thought about the RTA. They are run by a bunch of useless people, that only respond to public concerns in a knee jerk way which completely misses the point and does not at all solve the problem.

[Red CV8 R]

Wouldnt blame the RTA, it is the minister for Transport that makes these decisons and decides the guidelines, the RTA and its engineers just supply the details for the request they are given.

[carneb]

It's interesting that they say turbo diesel cars are excempt from the ban. Then you look at the banned list and the Ford Courier crew cab Turbo Diesel is banned :confused: I didn't realise the courier turbo diesel was a high performance vehicle :lol:

[VZKOOP]

You have to worry don't you?
A Laser/Mazda 4WD Turbo making a whopping 100KW banned!
Don't the current Corollas make 100KW?
I think my old Hyundai 2L Lantra made 104KW and it's not on the list.
Not only would the old 4WD be a safer car to drive it's probably slower than the 2 I just mentioned.

[ecka]

I'm presuming the law means Provisional drivers can't drive V8's or turbo's - with the odd turbo exception? I noticed the list was very specific regarding models, specs and make dates etc. So what happens if a young lad modifies an allowable vehicle and turbo's it? I presume he'll be naughty and sent to the corner, but his car model doesn't appear on the list!?! So which bit is the law? The list, or the generic statement that states there are some exceptions? What if he gets an "exception" and then modifies it into a beast? OK, not much there to work with, but where there's a will, there's a way. :)

I also noted that Holdens appeared on 28 pages. Ford only 20. Sheesh! Can't Ford win anything!???? :lol:

[gsw]

Problem with this is it should be based on power to weight ratio, not if it has 8 cylinders or a turbo. Some of the old v8 Fords/Holdens make some pretty poor power levels yet they are banned. There are 4 cylinder cars out there which are not on the list that are quicker.

[MIC33R]

There are a LOT of grey imports that they missed too. Basically they got rid of the popular ones. I can't find my car on the list, and it sure as hell should be.

[Dacious]

The reason for the ban on turbos is probably twofold:

1. Although you can mod a N/A engine to high HP, it is much harder and more expensive at least initially than a turbo because the turbo can be tweaked by wastegate or ECU. The N/A motor needs cams, pistons, stronger bottom end etc. I'd rather have kids driving a N/A hotrod personally than a turbo if they want to learn to handle a hi-po car. It may be peaky and lack grunt but at least it'll be predictable.
2. Most turbo cars apart from low-blow models develop HP with a distinct two-stage powerband. Off-boost they're a low-compression high-geared slug. On boost they suddenly develop a lot more power - and it's not linear. Turbo spools, whp suddenly doubles. Backing the throttle off doesn't instantly shut down the power.

If you bolt a turbo on an approved car, it does become prohibited. I had dealings with an accident investigator who was looking into a P-plater racing his mate in a 200SX. Aftermarket turbo, turning a 45km/h corner at 70 racing his mate it spooled, spun and swapped ends on him. Straight into his mate who went straight into a pole - killed two people in the car. 200SXs are very popular because the kids can register them N/A, then fit the Nissan turbo kit which is an easy job.

That's why the ban. It's just easier to say 'no turbo/V8' than ban people from individual cars. As to why the diesel Exploder is on the list, maybe they thought they'd do everyone a favour and keep them out of a Ford.....

An LS1 with traction control switched off in the dry can occasionally catch the leadfooted out out with a sideways snap on smooth bitumen or a patch of gravel in low-medium speed corners. Some turbos are probably trickier to drive than that.

[SV99]

Problem with this is it should be based on power to weight ratio, not if it has 8 cylinders or a turbo. Some of the old v8 Fords/Holdens make some pretty poor power levels yet they are banned. There are 4 cylinder cars out there which are not on the list that are quicker.


yeh considering a 1997 EL Falcon V8 has 165kw likewise the std holden efi v8 in a VS !!!!

fast forward to 2005

VZ Commodore V6 175kw !!!!
BA Falcon I6 182kw !!!!

Again the dickhead prevails in the NSW Govt !!!!

[Dacious]

But no offence to the EL, with much less power, driven to the limit, it would be less safe, both in controllability and if things go wrong than BA or VZ. Tyres, suspensions, steering, brakes, crash protection all vastly improved in even 5 years, let alone ten of development.

[SV99]

i agree 100 percent.

the fact of the matter is. the P plate hoons as they are labeled are mostly not into V8s alone

more the 4cyl crew with turbo buz boxes.

[VKCommo]

If you bolt a turbo on an approved car, it does become prohibited. I had dealings with an accident investigator who was looking into a P-plater racing his mate in a 200SX. Aftermarket turbo, turning a 45km/h corner at 70 racing his mate it spooled, spun and swapped ends on him. Straight into his mate who went straight into a pole - killed two people in the car. 200SXs are very popular because the kids can register them N/A, then fit the Nissan turbo kit which is an easy job.


Pity that all the 200SX's sold in Australia were factory fitted turbos. Nissan did not sell a non-turbo 200sx here. Nor are you (or have you ever been) able to import one.

However, some of the S13 Silvia's here are non turbo. But there is no 'Nissan turbo kit', you just need to find the parts for them, which isnt hard.

[VYBerlinaV8]

I can't help but think it would have been much easier for the RTA to have simply nominated a maximum power to weight figure (eg 100kW per tonne, or whatever), and require manufacturers provide the data for all past and present models (perhaps on their websites).

Then if you want to import a vehicle from overseas, the onus is on the owner to prove that the vehicle meets this requirement. Also if you want to modify your car - the owner has to prove that the vehicle meets the requirement.

How does the method of achieving power matter? Turbo, supercharger, big engine, whatever? What's important is how much performance potential a vehicle has.

[Red CV8 R]

You guys are missing the point. Firstly you are looking at the base figures for factory cars not what they do when modified. Then there is Enforcement. How can the cops be trained to know all these details? How can they be sure of every little modification? Are they going to carry around mobile Dynos? The police will have been the ones who asked for it to be based on models I bet. Much easier for them to enforce. All they need is a list of cars and they can know whether a P plater should be driving it or not. Doesnt matter what has or has not been modified on the car. No need for manufacturer envolvement either.

[Dacious]

Pity that all the 200SX's sold in Australia were factory fitted turbos. Nissan did not sell a non-turbo 200sx here. Nor are you (or have you ever been) able to import one.

However, some of the S13 Silvia's here are non turbo. But there is no 'Nissan turbo kit', you just need to find the parts for them, which isnt hard.

Apologies, I repeated what he said. He said non-turbo 200SX. Pic I found of an S13, looks pretty much like a 200SX to me....

You may well be right, but it amounts to the same thing: non-turbo car bought and registered with the intent to turbo. If a 'Sylvia' is bought knowingly to be fitted with a turbo, that is fine as long as a P-plater doesn't own it. There's enough of them around for CAMS to categorize them for racing, so it must be a few.

He said it was known to Police that grey importers sold 'legal' cars, and that the information to get the turbo parts are freely available. It's not illegal to sell or buy the parts, or even to fit them providing ADRs aren't infringed. But it is illegal for a P-plater to own or operate a car so fitted.

He said there was a 'kit' - not me - I have no knowledge or interest. Whether a Nissan kit, or a third party I don't know and I guess is immaterial.

[VKCommo]

Sorry, I didnt word my post very well. I wasnt intentionally having a go at you.. Just trying to correct your factual errors.. Your point was entirely correct though.

[DRIFTY LS1]

HAHAHA Prohibited lucky mines for "WORK"

[hardsy]

HAHAHA Prohibited lucky mines for "WORK"

I think your pretty safe DRIFTY you are a responsible driver!!!! :confused:

[Devil CV8]

hasnt this been done to death already......