SS Inductions

[Exithouse]

Hey guys just wanted to pass on a recommendation for the SS inductions (Big Mouth) kit – no I’m not en employee or anything like that.

I just put the kit on my VZ Clubbie and have to say I’m impressed! The response and acceleration is just there all the time. Under acceleration you can now here the air being sucked in. Fuel economy has improved noticeable already. It use to average around 9-10 in a 50-60km zone now its 8-9. Higher the speed the more improvement you get. Under acceleration it drinks like a wineo but you do expect that!

Earlier I drove a VZ SS with the same kit on and it makes one hell of a difference on SS’s – I’d say that if you have an SS then an air induction kit is essential!

Some other induction kits I’ve seen leave the casing exposed so that you can see the air filter insides etc. Sure you get a better air flow sound but to me the major draw back would be the amount of hot air from around the engine bay that they would pick up – especially at traffic lights and in heavy traffic.

I’d be interested in hearing from others on their experiences with fitting induction kits on VZ Clubbies.

[RIDE:42]

use the search button ;) and you will find verry little support on ss reduction parts

[BLACK 346]

There is still not much around about this new growler,
could you possibly post up some pics to see how it
compares to the rest of the garbage they market?

[OLS108]

Ive heard that the New SS inductions kit isnt too bad, But is it worth the $500 Over the MCAI and two hole mod ? in my opinion its not.
best to put that money towards Diff gears, Edit, exhuast, OTRCAI.
But hey its your money ;)

[Exithouse]

I know there is very little information available on the new growler and it was a case of try it and see… although I had driven an SS with on installed. $500 isn’t a lot for a performance enhancement like what I’ve experienced. Their website states, “Suits all models including 175kw & 190kw V6 and 5.7 & 6.0 V8.” - but there is really little information on the ins and outs of the thing. Sorry don’t have access to a scanner.

Naturally I’ve kept the original airflow unit – just in case… I only had to make the coolant hole a little bigger on the top panel – everything else fitted perfectly.

Unfortunately playing with the diff gears, edit and extractors and things voids the warrantee… I’ve already changed the exhaust - from the cats back.

[10sec_rx7]

I know there is very little information available on the new growler and it was a case of try it and see… although I had driven an SS with on installed. $500 isn’t a lot for a performance enhancement like what I’ve experienced. Their website states, “Suits all models including 175kw & 190kw V6 and 5.7 & 6.0 V8.” - but there is really little information on the ins and outs of the thing. Sorry don’t have access to a scanner.

Naturally I’ve kept the original airflow unit – just in case… I only had to make the coolant hole a little bigger on the top panel – everything else fitted perfectly.

Unfortunately playing with the diff gears, edit and extractors and things voids the warrantee… I’ve already changed the exhaust - from the cats back.

i have the full ss inductions intake kit including AFM and TB and i love it, also fitted CAPA 4-1 headers at the same time, i got better throttle response and picked up 45hp!

here is a pic of my engine with the bigmouth setup, dont worry about the green covers they are getting painted shortly

http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/dheiler/ss_engine.jpg

[Exithouse]

My SS inductions kit looks like the one on this page.

http://www.ssinductions.com.au/vzv6v8.htm

I guess your kit is the older version?

[markone2]

i have the full ss inductions intake kit including AFM and TB and i love it, also fitted CAPA 4-1 headers at the same time, i got better throttle response and picked up 45hp!


]


Of course you have ;)

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=535951#post535951

[10sec_rx7]

My SS inductions kit looks like the one on this page.

http://www.ssinductions.com.au/vzv6v8.htm

I guess your kit is the older version?

mine is the older bigmouth for the VY,

Markone2,
your point is??

[Vulture]

mine is the older bigmouth for the VY,

Markone2,
your point is??

I think his point is that it is not a great mod, check out the times :o

[HSVREDSLED]

Firstly, this post is a summary of what has been posted many times. I have never owned a SS system, although I almost did.

The version that 10sec RX7 posted looks like the older model which has copped a caning on this forum for months/years now. The general consensus seems that after the air comes via the "bigmouth" opening, it then has to take a right turn before it squeezes through a narrow opening, before taking a downward turn, then a sideways turn into the airbox with very little 'ramming effect'.

Numerous tests and posts claim no benefit to this system and in fact, some, a reduction hence the system being referred to as SS 'reduction' system by many members. Many forum members are previous owners of this system and have ditched same.

The growler system however seems to be different. The website says

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The standard system draws warm air from a restrictive intake tube that feeds from a small opening in the top panel. SS Inductions’ Growler system incorporates a streamlined pod style airbox that draws cool air from behind and beneath the headlight and rams it through a superior long life Big Mouth™ filter (manufactured by Kingdragon®, Italy). A replacement front panel is also included in the kit, which looks every bit like a factory part.

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The new system sounds to me like a version of the MCAI system which draws air from the shroud behind the headlight. From memory, MCAI shroud costs $45 from a dealer plus the 90mm stormwater pipe from Bunnings "speed shop" for about $3.

$50 versus $500?

Bang for buck, you decide.

But..
some months ago I said this and I will say it again. SS inductions have been the subject of considerable scrutiny on this forum over time and I think it fair that the company have right of reply. An approach maybe?

However, maybe I am being naive and the company has actually been following all the posts on this forum are remaining quiet? :rolleyes:

[BLACK 346]

Firstly, this post is a summary of what has been posted many times. I have never owned a SS system, although I almost did.

The version that 10sec RX7 posted looks like the older model which has copped a caning on this forum for months/years now. The general consensus seems that after the air comes via the "bigmouth" opening, it then has to take a right turn before it squeezes through a narrow opening, before taking a downward turn, then a sideways turn into the airbox with very little 'ramming effect'.

Numerous tests and posts claim no benefit to this system and in fact, some, a reduction hence the system being referred to as SS 'reduction' system by many members. Many forum members are previous owners of this system and have ditched same.

The growler system however seems to be different. The website says

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The standard system draws warm air from a restrictive intake tube that feeds from a small opening in the top panel. SS Inductions’ Growler system incorporates a streamlined pod style airbox that draws cool air from behind and beneath the headlight and rams it through a superior long life Big Mouth™ filter (manufactured by Kingdragon®, Italy). A replacement front panel is also included in the kit, which looks every bit like a factory part.

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The new system sounds to me like a version of the MCAI system which draws air from the shroud behind the headlight. From memory, MCAI shroud costs $45 from a dealer plus the 90mm stormwater pipe from Bunnings "speed shop" for about $3.

$50 versus $500?

Bang for buck, you decide.

But..
some months ago I said this and I will say it again. SS inductions have been the subject of considerable scrutiny on this forum over time and I think it fair that the company have right of reply. An approach maybe?

However, maybe I am being naive and the company has actually been following all the posts on this forum are remaining quiet? :rolleyes:

I reckon your right. The way it is described make
it sound like a $500 Monaro cold air intake. What
a bloody rip off if it is :bash:
And yes, I have been taken by them in the past,
and feel for people that are still being fooled :mad:

[10sec_rx7]

I think his point is that it is not a great mod, check out the times :o

a couple of tenths can be lost in a gear change it is was 1/2 second then you would have to wounder,

im just pointing out what i have on my car and for the price i got it for im laughing as it was second hand.

as i have said in another thread i will be removing it in the next few months and doing a OTR setup

[BLACK 346]

They are still highly sought after by some. This
one is a bargain :rolleyes:
Guess they are not finding them so easy to move
these days.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Gen-III-LS1-Cold-Air-Intake-SS-Inductions-VT-VX_W0QQitemZ4587579678QQcategoryZ32624QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

[Exithouse]

You say people are being fooled… have you actually driven one with the new growler system? I’m not going to say or make up something about a product – if it’s crap believe me I would say so that its crap - what’s the point? From my own personal experience I’ve noticed a difference – the fuel economy figures aren’t figments of my imagination. The response is a definite improvement for me as well. I’m not for one minute going to believe all there hype on the website. All I’m trying to say is that there is an improvement for me - $500 improvement maybe not, but isn’t everything about an HSV over priced in the first place...

[BLACK 346]

You say people are being fooled… have you actually driven one with the new growler system? I’m not going to say or make up something about a product – if it’s crap believe me I would say so that its crap - what’s the point? From my own personal experience I’ve noticed a difference – the fuel economy figures aren’t figments of my imagination. The response is a definite improvement for me as well. I’m not for one minute going to believe all there hype on the website. All I’m trying to say is that there is an improvement for me - $500 improvement maybe not, but isn’t everything about an HSV over priced in the first place...

No, not the growler, that is why I asked if you could
post some photos. The description given above
sounds very much like a $30 monaro CAI from Holden
or at best something similar to the HSV airbox setup.
You have a digi camera? Post them up and put this
to rest, I hope I am wrong and they have finally put
something decent together :)

[KeenGolfer]

Exithouse, by being fooled they're referring to the older style inductions which are crap. Numerous cars on this forum gained power after removing these items. Not to mention their MAF pipes continuously cracking, and still selling ported MAF's. The growler system might work ok, but for the money you may as well get an OTR intake.

[Fully Sick SS]

Got my car mafless tuned on Saturday with Power Torque. I have a VY SS with full Pacemaker Exhaust system, SS Growler & GTS maf pipe. Got 244rwkw. So to me the growler works ok. When i first put the growler on, no noticable difference to be honest. I think the power from my car is more a sign of the ability of mark from PT than anything else. :D

[Exithouse]

I found that over here (NZ) not sure if it happens in Aussie but Holden are selling and installing those kits themselves… not sure what that means. It says to me that these kits are not seen as voiding warrantees where as others may be? How does the Sureflow OTR intake system work? I can’t seem to find any links here – plenty of people raving about them thou :) Sorry I don’t have camera to take any photos.

[BLACK 346]

I found that over here (NZ) not sure if it happens in Aussie but Holden are selling and installing those kits themselves… not sure what that means. It says to me that these kits are not seen as voiding warrantees where as others may be? How does the Sureflow OTR intake system work? I can’t seem to find any links here – plenty of people raving about them thou :) Sorry I don’t have camera to take any photos.

I can send you some photos of the Sureflo system
if you like. PM me your email address if you want
some :)

[HOTSV6]

Just fitted the SS Inductions growler last night to my SV6. Will post some more info when I get a little more time but it definitely sounds alot deeper. Impressed so far. Cost $460

[VX-300]

I spent a few years in Unzud back in the mid eighties. At that time a "growler" was a slang term for something completely different. But then again, maybe the two items aren't so different ????

Exithouse -- what did your mussus say when you told her you were buying a new growler ???

[scat2k3]

Exactly, VX-300 ;)

HOTSV6, post up some pics and show us your growler :lol:

[Exithouse]

Yeah, excellent marketing name for a bloke-oriented market – I’m sure the name wasn’t by accident :) Mussus doesn’t mind me having another grower around (does yours?!) – you guys in Oz have to catch-up with the times :)

In all seriousness it would be good if HOTSV6 can post some pictures I can’t at the moment…

[HOTSV6]

OK, here are some pics of my CAI. Don't know how to post pics in here so put them on the net. Am very impressed by the 'growl'. To the point that I have put off my catback exhaust as I simply don't need it. It no longer sounds like an executive. Sorry about not posting links - it stuffed up


http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai13qd.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai20kr.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai35xe.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai45zt.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai59kj.jpg

[turismo mica]

Sounds like a lot of bitter twisted people re ss inductions

Get over it
if you dont like the product, dont buy, build a bridge.

for me i will buy the growler and then decide.............

exithouse thanks for some positive feedback for once.

[VX-300]

http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai13qd.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai20kr.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai35xe.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai45zt.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cai59kj.jpg

http://postwhore.own3doutput.com/albums/userpics/10005/aintthere.jpg

[STATIE]

Sounds like a lot of bitter twisted people re ss inductions

Get over it
if you dont like the product, dont buy, build a bridge.


And why do you think that is??? :bash:

I've got about $2000 worth of their shit on a shelf in my garage that either gives worse performance than stock - stuffs up your auto - rubs on the bonnet - cracks - breaks - dangerously leans out the motor - required butchery to the radiator to fit - caused stalling problems - only works temporarily - let unfiltered/unmetered air into the engine etc etc.

Build a bridge?? I'd rather burn the f@#ker. :flame: :flame: :flame:

You go and buy a "growler" - it MIGHT even work. :rolleyes:

[VX-300]

Growler Cold Air Induction

http://www.ssinductions.co.nz/holden/img/vzv6v8.jpg



$545.00AUD (inc GST)
Bwahahahaha

[turismo mica]

have a look at the reply from statieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
as i said bitter and twisted.....................


have you even seen the growler on a vz, o i guess not

however moaning will assist you get over the 2k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HOTSV6]

People trying to view my pics, don't know why but if you cut and paste the link into another internet explorer window it will work.

[STATIE]

have you even seen the growler on a vz, o i guess not


I have actually - you might as well put a pod filter in the standard air box because it would do the same thing, if not better.

Keep trying to justify your purchase to yourself - we all know you've just been bent over and reamed just like I was 2 or 3 years ago. :flip3:






as i said bitter and twisted

Bitter, twisted, bent over and reamed - Yep you and me both. :wave:

[VQST80]

If you come into the dealership to get your car serviced with the ss inductions maf, Your warranty will be voided.

Not a very good idea.

Holden are realy cracking down on aftermarket mods under warranty.
And just because some stupid salesmen are getting ss induction kits and extractors fitted doesnt mean its endorsed by holden.
And its dealerships that cop it in the ass cos holden just reject there warranty claims if something fux up if they've fixed it.

Like oxygen sensors on a car thats had extractos fitted P.D.



Save the money on a monaro cai and a tune.
And Its SS REDUCTIONS!!

:lol:

[an-D]

i was tempted to buy an "SS INDUCTION KIT" for my V6 last week, but done some research on here and spoke to a few mates and it sounded like a total waste of $500 odd dollars. So i went out to Autobarn bought a pod filter for $40 (washable), then went to bunnings, bought a $4 angled pipe and connected it all up. Removed that piping that goes from the airbox behind the radiator and sits on the top and left the whole in the box how it is. The pod sits inside the airbox so its "legal". $44 and now my exhaust note is much deeper and sounds beefy and its stock! noticeble power increase aswell, more torque and low down power.

Each to their own i guess.

Cheers Andy

[smoken2]

If you come into the dealership to get your car serviced with the ss inductions maf, Your warranty will be voided.

Not a very good idea.

Holden are realy cracking down on aftermarket mods under warranty.
And just because some stupid salesmen are getting ss induction kits and extractors fitted doesnt mean its endorsed by holden.
And its dealerships that cop it in the ass cos holden just reject there warranty claims if something fux up if they've fixed it.

Like oxygen sensors on a car thats had extractos fitted P.D.



Save the money on a monaro cai and a tune.
And Its SS REDUCTIONS!!

:lol:
Question:
Do the Pre Delivery (PD) HSV VY series commodores have any oxygen sensor problems too?
Maybe all extractors/ header are evil, thats why Z series run manifolds.

[Exithouse]

I’m not speaking for “turismo mica” but I’m sure he (like me) isn’t trying to justify any thing... If we don’t like the product or think it didn’t work for us then I’m sure he “turismo mica” would have said so – ‘cause I’m damn sure I would.

Your experience “Statie” is unfortunate and I’m not disputing your experiences at all. But the point that “turismo mica” and myself are trying to make is that for us VZ owners (and the VZ bit could be the difference between your experiences and ours) is that we are happy with what our perceived performance increases. Could it be possible that what doesn’t work for you works for us?

Holden may well be cracking down on aftermarket mods (I’m sure that is more financially driven)… Obviously, they have to draw the line somewhere but from my understanding of the warranty it is quite clear. Exhaust changes from the cats back are allowed, air filter changes are allowed - as long as you don’t go near the engine, gearbox, suspension or anything else mechanically important.

They have to allow a certain amount of tinkering because at the end of the day it’s the public that want to have their cars slightly unique in some way. Hell if they clamped down on aftermarket mods altogether you wouldn’t even be allowed to tint your windows!

A dealership that “installs” the SS Inductions kit would be hard pushed to defend itself in court if it rejects a warranty claim because a SS Inductions kit is fitted.

Good on you “an-D” your custom kit works for you – the SS Inductions kit works for me, we are both happy :) Yours might have been the cheaper option but money wasn’t the driving factor for me.

Thanks for posting the pictures “VX-300” that is the same system I have on my Clubbie :)

[HOTSV6]

My car is booked in for a warranty claim on Sat so should be a good test to see what the dealer says.

[10sec_rx7]

a mate had the full ss inductions setup on his car and he has had 2 autos replaced under warranty

[BLACK 346]

have a look at the reply from statieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
as i said bitter and twisted.....................


have you even seen the growler on a vz, o i guess not

however moaning will assist you get over the 2k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see some dumb statements posted on internet
forums, but you sir are in the grand final. Why
the hell would you blow $500 to see if something
works? Even if Statie hasn't seen the Growler,
SS Reductions reputation precedes them on this
forum, and it is far from good. For me it was
the Bigmouth/Big failure and 3 x collapsed
maf pipes, one leaving my car nearly stranded
in the middle of nowhere.
Statie, you bring the matches and I will bring
the petrol ;)

[HOTSV6]

It's hard to see what can go wrong with the VZ SS Inductions CAI. It's just a plastic box with a pod filter. It's build stronger than than the one I took off and just connects to the 02 sensor. No other parts replaced.
Having said that, $500 was alot for a plastic box!! But its certainly given me $500 worth of pleasure so far.

[OLS108]

You see some dumb statements posted on internet
forums, but you sir are in the grand final. Why
the hell would you blow $500 to see if something
works? Even if Statie hasn't seen the Growler,
SS Reductions reputation precedes them on this
forum, and it is far from good. For me it was
the Bigmouth/Big failure and 3 x collapsed
maf pipes, one leaving my car nearly stranded
in the middle of nowhere.
Statie, you bring the matches and I will bring
the petrol ;)
:lol: I came Very close to buying an SS Inductions CAI , Lucky for me i found this Forum and the search Feature in time.
This forum is Great for reasons like this To help newbies along the road to LS1 Performance. Like they say you can Lead a Horse to Water :rolleyes:

[hoota68]

fitted one myself to my new clubby, dead easy to install.now for a set of headers

[SS_Fury]

$500 can prob buy you a fair bit of pleasure in other ways :D

[sikss]

i bought the growler when it first came out and installed myself to vx ss. noticed power gain straight away and the sound was better. have done other mods since and have 247rwkw. am happy with the growler but cant comment on ss inductions earlier cai. only paid $400 brand new

[PepeLePew]

Companies buy bitterness by marketing better than they design.....

I also had an SS Inductions CAI (bought in 02) from D&T...the very fact they sold it to me = I wouldnt go back there. If they had any experience with the product they'd have been laughing as they took my $$$$.

A common expression in business is also applicable in life, its called ROI.

For its stated purpose, ROI on the SS Inductions unit was negative. Build quality was crap. Design probably a nice idea but not functional in reality. It took me BACKWARDS. For the $500+ it cost its scary.....

ROI is Monaro CAI.....tiny investment, great return. Or if you really have to spend more there are plenty of sealed pod setups or OTR's out there.

You dont need to experiment, the right choices are well documented here. However I wouldnt howl down anyone just for trying it, its your money, I just hope you have a better experience. Its history that says you're taking a risk. Im sure one day you'll back to back against a pod or OTR or Monaro CAI, please let us know how that goes....everyone is prepared to be proven wrong.

[Wonky]

fitted one myself to my new clubby, dead easy to install.now for a set of headersHasn't it already got headers? :confused: The newer ones are meant to be pretty good???

[BLACK 346]

There are other options out there as well,
K&N and Unifilter do sealed pods for the LS1,
both retail for around the $400 mark. The
unifilter GEN3 Complete kit is very good
quality, but personally I would skip them
all and go straight for the otrcai, I wish I
had. I have been through the MCAI,
SS Inductions bigmouth (even mated the
SS CAI to the mcai in a futile damage control
attempt after wasting so much money) and
Unifilter on my way to the current Sureflo item.
Only one apart from the Sureflo that I
don't regret buying is the MCAI, it is
deadset great bang for you buck as Pepe
said :)

[Vulture]

There are other options out there as well,
K&N and Unifilter do sealed pods for the LS1,
both retail for around the $400 mark. The
unifilter GEN3 Complete kit is very good
quality, but personally I would skip them
all and go straight for the otrcai, I wish I
had. I have been through the MCAI,
SS Inductions bigmouth (even mated the
SS CAI to the mcai in a futile damage control
attempt after wasting so much money) and
Unifilter on my way to the current Sureflo item.
Only one apart from the Sureflo that I
don't regret buying is the MCAI, it is
deadset great bang for you buck as Pepe
said :)

That's a good point:

I'm in a similar situation since being stung by SS Inductions. Seems I already had the basic material in the VY to make a good CAI setup. Can anybody suggest what I should do now? There are two holes in the airbox at the moment and the SS inductions is currently not connected. I too was one of the nitwits to believe the third party supplier (in my case, an exhaust shop).

[chops]

Hasn't it already got headers? :confused: The newer ones are meant to be pretty good???

Wonky, if it's an LS2 Z series, it has the same stock cast iron headers as the regular non-HSV LS1 cars.

[BLACK 346]

That's a good point:

I'm in a similar situation since being stung by SS Inductions. Seems I already had the basic material in the VY to make a good CAI setup. Can anybody suggest what I should do now? There are two holes in the airbox at the moment and the SS inductions is currently not connected. I too was one of the nitwits to believe the third party supplier (in my case, an exhaust shop).

What I did was cut the SS Inductions cai down where
it sits over the monaro/vy cai, that way it would sit
down snugly and not rub on the bonnet. I sealed as
best I could between the SS CAI and the MCAI with
adhesive foam. Not sure if I gained anything from it,
but at the time it made me feel a bit warm and fuzzy
rather than pissed off for being so dumb and buying
the damn thing in the first place. Now getting back
to what you should do now, put it on Ebay starting
at $100, recoup about $150 of your $500 and start
thinking about which OTRCAI you are going to purchase :lol:

[Vulture]

What I did was cut the SS Inductions cai down where...

Thanks, will take a look once it gets back from the smash repairers.

[Wonky]

Wonky, if it's an LS2 Z series, it has the same stock cast iron headers as the regular non-HSV LS1 cars.OK, thanks chops. That's pretty scummy of HSV.......

[Exithouse]

Fingers crossed that they finally move away from those cast iron headers in the VE… but I guess in other vehicles (not Holden) headers have cost car manufactures vast amounts of dollars to fix failures. Holden are probably just playing it safe by sticking to the old cast iron headers... I’d love to change mine but that’s a warrantee no no :(

[VooDoo]

Fingers crossed that they finally move away from those cast iron headers in the VE… but I guess in other vehicles (not Holden) headers have cost car manufactures vast amounts of dollars to fix failures. Holden are probably just playing it safe by sticking to the old cast iron headers... I’d love to change mine but that’s a warrantee no no :(

Totally incorrect. MANY MANY ppl changed the headers and have no warranty issues at all. Holden will even do it for you if you ask and have a fat cheque book (at least double the price of the aftermarket ppl).

[turismo mica]

As i say again , nothing but postive feedback on the growler for the VZ from
me, and apart from the ss induction sticker looks stock.

Not sure if i want a bunnings pipe stuck in my airbox.

but then again some of are cheap.

some of you guys need to build a bridge and get over it........................

wake up and have a look around :lol:

[turismo mica]

You see some dumb statements posted on internet
forums, but you sir are in the grand final. Why
the hell would you blow $500 to see if something
works? Even if Statie hasn't seen the Growler,
SS Reductions reputation precedes them on this
forum, and it is far from good. For me it was
the Bigmouth/Big failure and 3 x collapsed
maf pipes, one leaving my car nearly stranded
in the middle of nowhere.
Statie, you bring the matches and I will bring
the petrol ;)

who wrote anthing about spending to see if it works????????????????
i know it works

[Rt!]

when the flag drops the bullshit stops fellas :)

[Exithouse]

Totally incorrect. MANY MANY ppl changed the headers and have no warranty issues at all. Holden will even do it for you if you ask and have a fat cheque book (at least double the price of the aftermarket ppl).

Changing the headers on this side of the Tasman is not allowed. I believe this is because unlike in Australia there is no legal requirement to have a catylitic converter fitted to a vehicle and this along with changing the headers could cause series damage to the power plant if not managed correctly…

[HSVDKB]

Putting headers on LS2 on this side of the Tasman is allowed. Mine was done by the local HSV dealer with no effect on warranty. They also put on a complete new exhaust without cats and have done so for many other HSV's.

[markone2]

Putting headers on LS2 on this side of the Tasman is allowed. Mine was done by the local HSV dealer with no effect on warranty. They also put on a complete new exhaust without cats and have done so for many other HSV's.


Now that is one sure fire way to empty the wallet....Dealer fitted exhuast.. :eek: . anything like Australia its odds on the job is tendered out to local shop ...then 150% mark-up applied to the invoice

[HOTSV6]

I've been driving my SV6 since Monday with the SS Inductions kit fitted. Have kept the windows down and havent even turned the radio on. It sounds awesome!! hard to believe it could make such a difference. Getting alot of looks from my petrol head neighbours as they too are noticing the diff.
Performance wise, doesn't seem to be a huge amount from 0-50kmh but it really takes off from 50-100 now. Maybe 10-20% diff if I was ball parking it.
The first 100kms was interesting - virtually no change in insuction noise but then...wow
Seriously no need for a ricey exhaust now. It sounds sporty enough and thankfully makes no noise while cruising around at the lights and around shops etc.

[turismo mica]

I've been driving my SV6 since Monday with the SS Inductions kit fitted. Have kept the windows down and havent even turned the radio on. It sounds awesome!! hard to believe it could make such a difference. Getting alot of looks from my petrol head neighbours as they too are noticing the diff.
Performance wise, doesn't seem to be a huge amount from 0-50kmh but it really takes off from 50-100 now. Maybe 10-20% diff if I was ball parking it.
The first 100kms was interesting - virtually no change in insuction noise but then...wow
Seriously no need for a ricey exhaust now. It sounds sporty enough and thankfully makes no noise while cruising around at the lights and around shops etc.

could not agree more, i am blow away by the kit.
you are spot on also re the exhaust,
stealth until you give it some, the finished product is excellent.

[BLACK 346]

no doubt you have a ps2 as well as a tonka toy..................................

Ah, Tonka, a brand SS Reductions could learn
some lessons in durability from :yup:

[GPT]

I feel some people start defending this SS shite because they feel embarrassed to admit they got done.
No problem , I was one who got done with their maf tube that breaks by itself.
But $500 for a growler is not too bad.

Some growler cost 5 dollar
Some growler cost 1000 dollar
Good growler you marry!! ;)

But I know no growler that make car go faster

[turismo mica]

I feel some people start defending this SS shite because they feel embarrassed to admit they got done.
No problem , I was one who got done with their maf tube that breaks by itself.
But $500 for a growler is not too bad.

Some growler cost 5 dollar
Some growler cost 1000 dollar
Good growler you marry!! ;)

But I know no growler that make car go faster


Faster??? hummmm did not see that mentioned

[turismo mica]

Ah, Tonka, a brand SS Reductions could learn
some lessons in durability from :yup:



maybe, by the sound of it you would know?????????????

[BLACK 346]

maybe, by the sound of it you would know?????????????

Yep, and learn't my lesson well. If you grab
your credit card and go to the SS Ind website
there is a ported maf and fancy T/B with your
name on it. Should give you another 20-30rwkw ;)

[VooDoo]

Changing the headers on this side of the Tasman is not allowed. I believe this is because unlike in Australia there is no legal requirement to have a catylitic converter fitted to a vehicle and this along with changing the headers could cause series damage to the power plant if not managed correctly…

MANY LS1 members from the land of the sheep lovers have changed Headers, exhausts, had edits and done all sorts of mods with no issues on their warranty. People have had LS1's over there for a long time. Your no pioneer, learn from those that have come before you. Buying products because they sound good is ok for some, but not when you actually wanted performance and for them to hold together. Ppl here are trying to SAVE you money with tried, tested and proven products. SSR dont fit that catagory.

[motomk]

Ok I have hit this with the knife. Keep it pleasant please!

[GPT]

i have the full ss inductions intake kit including AFM and TB and i love it, also fitted CAPA 4-1 headers at the same time, i got better throttle response and picked up 45hp!

here is a pic of my engine with the bigmouth setup, dont worry about the green covers they are getting painted shortly

http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/dheiler/ss_engine.jpg

Turismo,does this mean 45hp does not make car go faster?
Of course not , imagined hp doesn,t count.

[turismo mica]

Turismo,does this mean 45hp does not make car go faster?
Of course not , imagined hp doesn,t count.


no but by the look of those nice covers they do?????:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bazza76d]

HI,

Wish I had read this prior to purchasing the SS inductions big mouth today! But too late now, just a couple of quick questions. What is it in particular about the design of the big mouth that either makes it create no more power or in some peoples opinion decrease power? I must admit I am of the opinion the car runs a little smoother after installing, although that woulc be just wishful thinking!!!! I can say one thing and that is the item is a bastard to install and does not sit correctly. My bonnet on the passenger side is still raised a few mm. Any ideas?

Cheers.

PS. What are these monaro etc cia you speak off? What is different about them to the ss induction system? WHo stocks them??

[Wonky]

HI,

Wish I had read this prior to purchasing the SS inductions big mouth today! But too late now, just a couple of quick questions. What is it in particular about the design of the big mouth that either makes it create no more power or in some peoples opinion decrease power? I must admit I am of the opinion the car runs a little smoother after installing, although that woulc be just wishful thinking!!!! I can say one thing and that is the item is a bastard to install and does not sit correctly. My bonnet on the passenger side is still raised a few mm. Any ideas?

Cheers.

PS. What are these monaro etc cia you speak off? What is different about them to the ss induction system? WHo stocks them??
As you've probably read by now most people on here have no time for SS In/Reductions stuff as many have been burned by it in various ways. I have never seen or used it but hope for your sake that it makes a positive difference.

Monaro CAI = the cold air intake which comes as standard on Monaros though I believe beginning with VY that sedans with V8 had them too. No doubt someone willl confirm or refute that. Available from Holden dealers for around $30 I believe.

[HSVREDSLED]

Firstly, this post is a summary of what has been posted many times. I have never owned a SS system, although I almost did.

The version that 10sec RX7 posted looks like the older model which has copped a caning on this forum for months/years now. The general consensus seems that after the air comes via the "bigmouth" opening, it then has to take a right turn before it squeezes through a narrow opening, before taking a downward turn, then a sideways turn into the airbox with very little 'ramming effect'.

Numerous tests and posts claim no benefit to this system and in fact, some, a reduction hence the system being referred to as SS 'reduction' system by many members. Many forum members are previous owners of this system and have ditched same.

The growler system however seems to be different. The website says

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The standard system draws warm air from a restrictive intake tube that feeds from a small opening in the top panel. SS Inductions’ Growler system incorporates a streamlined pod style airbox that draws cool air from behind and beneath the headlight and rams it through a superior long life Big Mouth™ filter (manufactured by Kingdragon®, Italy). A replacement front panel is also included in the kit, which looks every bit like a factory part.

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The new system sounds to me like a version of the MCAI system which draws air from the shroud behind the headlight. From memory, MCAI shroud costs $45 from a dealer plus the 90mm stormwater pipe from Bunnings "speed shop" for about $3.

$50 versus $500?

Bang for buck, you decide.

But..
some months ago I said this and I will say it again. SS inductions have been the subject of considerable scrutiny on this forum over time and I think it fair that the company have right of reply. An approach maybe?

However, maybe I am being naive and the company has actually been following all the posts on this forum are remaining quiet? :rolleyes:


What I said...:teach:

[VXSS346]

PS. What are these monaro etc cia you speak off? What is different about them to the ss induction system? WHo stocks them??

Basically, an mcai is what your VYSS has standard.
Some guys on here reckon to use the SS ind. intake in addition to the stock intake. (So they work together) But you'll have to do a search on that as I have no idea what exactly is involved.

Hope this helps.

[Bazz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know of any of the faster running LS1's in Australia which have a SS inductions system on them. That should be enough to speak for itself.

I have the MCAI on mine at the moment, great bang for buck!

[BLACK 346]

Basically, an mcai is what your VYSS has standard.
Some guys on here reckon to use the SS ind. intake in addition to the stock intake. (So they work together) But you'll have to do a search on that as I have no idea what exactly is involved.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, I was running that setup a couple of years
ago (was on for my edit actually). I only did it
to make myself feel better about wasting money
on the SS Ind intake and it requires quite a bit
of chopping of the mcai and SS unit to make them
marry up successfully. Still, car pulled repeatable
200rwkw on Sams dynalog with just this and a
Redback twin 2.25 into single 3 exhaust and still
had LS1 Manifold back then.
Side note: What's this I read on the other LS1 forum
about Sams dyno not able to go to 200kph and all
his dyno runs being done in 2nd gear? I know it
was a couple of years ago now but it went to 200kph
then and mine was done in 4th gear. Is it a new
and different dyno?

[macca33]

But $500 for a growler is not too bad.

Some growler cost 5 dollar
Some growler cost 1000 dollar
Good growler you marry!! ;)

But I know no growler that make car go faster



Two months on and this comment is STILL gold!!! :banana: :headbang: :dance: :astavista:


Macca

[chillicatqld]

Seems these guys cop alot of flack. I don't have an SS Inductions kit - but why don't you give these guys a fair go. Lets not talk about the old system - the new one sounds like it has some merrit.

Of course you are not going to notice anything when you first put it on - th'at's why it always show no extra power when put straight on a dyno (without tuning) because the engine is relearning. Its probably reducing timing and dumping extra fuel into it because it thinks something is "wrong". Then after about 400klms it will learn it has got more air etc - and thats why the people who have put them on notice the "growl" start.

I am sure that if you did a baseline untuned dyno run and got a figure, then put a "Growler" kit on and ran it again it will show a drop - but then tune the car for the new intake system - I bet the figure will be higher than the base run.
Stop comparing apples to lemons with a tuned and untuned setup - the thing has to relearn and will always run funny at first. It is basically a pod setup and a pod setup will always flow better than a normal flat filter.

I am sure also that if you put a OTRAI on a stock car it will run shit also until the car is either tuned - or it relearns. Most people who change to the OTRAI will already have a tune - and will definately update to run to this intake.

So why doesnt a tuner do a favour and do a run...
1) stock car untuned dyno figure
2) stock car untuned with a growler system
3) Same car then tuned with growler system
4) and if they want - take it off and tune the stock setup!

Put an end to all this slander - if it doesnt work then at least it can come from genuine testing...

Let it be well know that I in no way endorse SS Inductions - nor have I been stung by them. Just dont think this slander is too fair. Maybe they have got things right this time!!! Maybe I am wrong also - but the test above needs to be applied to prove anything. The people who have bought the Growler seem happy with it, and maybe it isnt aimed at the market of people who wants optimum performance from tunes etc.

...........where's my flame suit?

[BLACK 346]

Seems these guys cop alot of flack. I don't have an SS Inductions kit - but why don't you give these guys a fair go. Lets not talk about the old system - the new one sounds like it has some merrit.

Of course you are not going to notice anything when you first put it on - th'at's why it always show no extra power when put straight on a dyno (without tuning) because the engine is relearning. Its probably reducing timing and dumping extra fuel into it because it thinks something is "wrong". Then after about 400klms it will learn it has got more air etc - and thats why the people who have put them on notice the "growl" start.

I am sure that if you did a baseline untuned dyno run and got a figure, then put a "Growler" kit on and ran it again it will show a drop - but then tune the car for the new intake system - I bet the figure will be higher than the base run.
Stop comparing apples to lemons with a tuned and untuned setup - the thing has to relearn and will always run funny at first. It is basically a pod setup and a pod setup will always flow better than a normal flat filter.

I am sure also that if you put a OTRAI on a stock car it will run shit also until the car is either tuned - or it relearns. Most people who change to the OTRAI will already have a tune - and will definately update to run to this intake.

So why doesnt a tuner do a favour and do a run...
1) stock car untuned dyno figure
2) stock car untuned with a growler system
3) Same car then tuned with growler system
4) and if they want - take it off and tune the stock setup!

Put an end to all this slander - if it doesnt work then at least it can come from genuine testing...

Let it be well know that I in no way endorse SS Inductions - nor have I been stung by them. Just dont think this slander is too fair. Maybe they have got things right this time!!! Maybe I am wrong also - but the test above needs to be applied to prove anything. The people who have bought the Growler seem happy with it, and maybe it isnt aimed at the market of people who wants optimum performance from tunes etc.

...........where's my flame suit?

They have had more than a fair go. And the growler
has been tested by one of the sponsors on this forum,
with the usual negative results.

[HSVREDSLED]

They have had more than a fair go. And the growler
has been tested by one of the sponsors on this forum,
with the usual negative results.


I was thinking of posting exactly the same suggestions as Chilicatqld.

Is there a link to the results of the above mentioned test?

[markone2]

I am sure also that if you put a OTRAI on a stock car it will run shit also until the car is either tuned - or it relearns. Most people who change to the OTRAI will already have a tune - and will definately update to run to this intake.

?


Nope....I've put PT's Prototype otrcai on different cars at Willowbank for a try-out and seen an immediate 3/10ths / 3 mph improvement.........

I've also pulled the SS inductions otr off cars at the track ...and seen an immediate improvement in track mph.:shock: ...I'm quite serious

[TUNDV8]

I am sure also that if you put a OTRAI on a stock car it will run shit also until the car is either tuned - or it relearns. Most people who change to the OTRAI will already have a tune - and will definately update to run to this intake.


I put sonny's OTRCAI on my unedited vx ss with only a twin 2.5" xaust and extractors and it gained 10 rwkw without ANY tuning and the car certainly did not run shit... Don't believe me check this link...

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=49026

[pah]

They are still highly sought after by some. This
one is a bargain :rolleyes:
Guess they are not finding them so easy to move
these days.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Gen-III-LS1-Cold-Air-Intake-SS-Inductions-VT-VX_W0QQitemZ4587579678QQcategoryZ32624QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

Um . . . Unless I'm mistaken, the winning bid on that item was $296! That seems pretty close to new price. Perhaps some people get a bit carried away at auctions???


PAH

[turismo mica]

They have had more than a fair go. And the growler
has been tested by one of the sponsors on this forum,
with the usual negative results.


by one of the sponsors, yea right............................:flamin:

[XLR8 V8]

by one of the sponsors, yea right............................:flamin:


Do you have any dyno sheets to post up to argue the other side of the coin and prove it actually lives up to it's claims?

[IIV8II]

The first 100kms was interesting - virtually no change in insuction noise but then...wow


I don't believe I just read that...!

[clubbyr8vx]

hey there all
i got one of those bigmouth kits from ebay and thankfully only payed $200 now i thought i got a bargain at the time then i installed it on my car and took it for a drive now the day was pretty hot but i felt not much inprovement so the next day i woke pretty early when it was still cool wanting to feel the extra 14rwkw that was stated i would gain and guess what i was in my shed 10min later ripping it off and putting it back in the box did nothing in the heat or the cool.
luckly i put it back on ebay the next day and it ended up selling for $250 so the only improvment i got was the $50
ss reductions i completly agree and the rest of there gear from what i have heard is s*$tty too
am now saving for a good otrcai

thanks
:headbang:

[turismo mica]

Do you have any dyno sheets to post up to argue the other side of the coin and prove it actually lives up to it's claims?+

well well, do you have any to say it does not???

and you have one fitted do you , or just part of the crowd??

or following suit

or no idea??

[turismo mica]

hey there all
i got one of those bigmouth kits from ebay and thankfully only payed $200 now i thought i got a bargain at the time then i installed it on my car and took it for a drive now the day was pretty hot but i felt not much inprovement so the next day i woke pretty early when it was still cool wanting to feel the extra 14rwkw that was stated i would gain and guess what i was in my shed 10min later ripping it off and putting it back in the box did nothing in the heat or the cool.
luckly i put it back on ebay the next day and it ended up selling for $250 so the only improvment i got was the $50
ss reductions i completly agree and the rest of there gear from what i have heard is s*$tty too
am now saving for a good otrcai

thanks
:headbang:
+

what type and year of build kit
how did you measure the difference in the hot and cold performance

by feel ,o yea!!!!!!
you my friend are in the final....................
silly comments that is.............................

[VooDoo]

How many ppl does it take before your going to accept that these SSI things are crap. Ive personaly tried it and took it off the same day.

I know its hard to accept that you wasted your money but that happens at times. This forum has a very high concentration of VERY experianced OWNERS. Not just follower and dreamers but ppl that have tried and tested every mod under the sun and know what works and what doesnt. SSI DOESNT.

[Chris52]

Turismo mica, I see yhat your details now state that your in Brisbane, where by the way there is a very reputable tuner. Also not far from Brissie is willowbank where a lot of members frequent reguarly. It might be worth your while to visit both of these establishments and gain some real world figures with regards to stock vs MCAI($25) vs SSI. This would surely put this whole issue to bed and may even surprise you.There is no :argue: meant in this post, just trying to sort the chaff from the hay.

Cheers

Chris.

[turismo mica]

How many ppl does it take before your going to accept that these SSI things are crap. Ive personaly tried it and took it off the same day.

I know its hard to accept that you wasted your money but that happens at times. This forum has a very high concentration of VERY experianced OWNERS. Not just follower and dreamers but ppl that have tried and tested every mod under the sun and know what works and what doesnt. SSI DOESNT.

yawn........................

[VooDoo]

I guess you wont need any more help in the future then. Why bother signing up here if you know better already? I hope you like the 15sec zone. Nothing you can learn here.

[XLR8 V8]

+

well well, do you have any to say it does not???

and you have one fitted do you , or just part of the crowd??

or following suit

or no idea??

You imply that the testing completed by the forum sponsor showing that it didn't live up to it's claims are biased simply because it was done by a sponsor .... I'm simply offering you the opportunity to prove that your own claims that it work have some merit - seemed quite fair I thought? :shrugs:
I personally find a RRP of $599 ludicrously expensive for a CAI that at best offers the same performance as a $25 MCAI with 2 hole mod, and maybe a little more induction noise - which I wouldn't be able to hear over my exhaust anyway.

[technic]

No im not going to buy one, but why wont a growler fit a vy, what the difference?

[SUX350]

Re: Growler
If it makes you guys feel any better,i recently tuned a vz ss equipted with a "growler" it actually lost alittle power on the dyno,though on the road i didnt see the intake temp go lower then 55 deg + thats wen we were moving,wen we got stuck in traffic alittle i seen 70deg intake temp,now i dont even see that on a forced induction vehicle,to cut a long story short,after fitting a mcai and a second hole mod the car piked up a few kw's and the intake temps got as high as 40deg in slow driving and 35deg whilst the vehicle was moving,hope this helps this thread,if any wishes to question the matter ,the forum member whose car i tuned is "MRVZSS" you can chuck him a pm as he was there the whole time.



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so there was some sort of testing done..=SS REDUCTION..!:p

[clubbyr8vx]

hey there turismo
no need to get up me was just sharing my story like everone else in here and if you know so much why aint u a sponser we could all learn heaps off you like how to lose kw by buying crap gear hang of do ss inductions sell v6's i might reduce my kw more if i swap to one!!!!
and if u cant get into your own car and feel at least a small increase in power after being told that i would gain 14 rwkw from this product then in my idea it aint a good product
and what tests did i do if u need test to show u that your power has not increased then u shouldn't be driving your car hand it over to me and i'll take that ss reduction cai off and throw it in the bin!!!!

dont get up other members for just relaying there own stories or opinions go cry to mumma maybe she'll get you one of the ss throttle bodies to make it all better

:flip3:

[SUX350]

i think that should shut him up..:bravo:

[turismo mica]

hey there turismo
no need to get up me was just sharing my story like everone else in here and if you know so much why aint u a sponser we could all learn heaps off you like how to lose kw by buying crap gear hang of do ss inductions sell v6's i might reduce my kw more if i swap to one!!!!
and if u cant get into your own car and feel at least a small increase in power after being told that i would gain 14 rwkw from this product then in my idea it aint a good product
and what tests did i do if u need test to show u that your power has not increased then u shouldn't be driving your car hand it over to me and i'll take that ss reduction cai off and throw it in the bin!!!!

dont get up other members for just relaying there own stories or opinions go cry to mumma maybe she'll get you one of the ss throttle bodies to make it all better
.................................................. ..............





:flip3:
Yawn,,. keep it up you will talk youself into agreement
brail brail
:flip2:
top product,
top quality
one of the new converted, lucky i did not listen to the wingers
my never have found such a quality item.............................

[turismo mica]

i think that should shut him up..:bravo:


o very well put together, a lot of thought.

[BLACK 346]

I just worked it out, turismo Mica is Kevin from
SS Inductions, gotta be :yup:

[turismo mica]

I just worked it out, turismo Mica is Kevin from
SS Inductions, gotta be :yup:


:banana: :banana:

tonka man good to hear from you..................

[Chris52]

I just worked it out, turismo Mica is Kevin from
SS Inductions, gotta be :yup:


A plausible assumption, I reckon.

Cheers

Chris.

[chillicatqld]

why does Power Torque sell SS Inductions gear then??????????????????

[markone2]

my never have found such a quality item.............................

Based in comparison to which induction products

[clubbyr8vx]

based on comparison to other cai induction options like sticking a about 5 mc donlads straws together and running that from under your bonnet into your air box!!!!!!!

must be from ss inductions or has bought shares in the company lol hope he didn't cause that would be his second waste of money with that company lmao

:driving: me with g&d otrcai

:bawl: turismo with ss reductions crap cai and a pocket full of shares

[BLACK 346]

:banana: :banana:

tonka man good to hear from you..................

You have a pet name for me, how cute :love2:
Refer to post 101 Kev.

[VooDoo]

why does Power Torque sell SS Inductions gear then??????????????????

Because on the FORDS they do work ok. They dont sell them for LS1's as they have done enough testing to know they are crap.

[chillicatqld]

why do they work on Fords and not Holden?????????
Seems a bit ODD!

[XLR8 V8]

why do they work on Fords and not Holden?????????
Seems a bit ODD!


The stock Ford intake is apparently too crap for words - even a piece of PVC pipe would be an upgrade. Most Ford owners see good gains from any change to the intake system.

[turismo mica]

why does Power Torque sell SS Inductions gear then??????????????????


good point, however as the guys there will tell you, a lot of goons who think
the know all sit on the forum and add - value

pt guys have some very positive stuff to say about ss ind.

:soap: :soap:

[turismo mica]

based on comparison to other cai induction options like sticking a about 5 mc donlads straws together and running that from under your bonnet into your air box!!!!!!!

must be from ss inductions or has bought shares in the company lol hope he didn't cause that would be his second waste of money with that company lmao

:driving: me with g&d otrcai

:bawl: turismo with ss reductions crap cai and a pocket full of shares


1 more bitter and twisted ....................:flip2: :flip2:
i suppose you have a story to tell as well or just no original comments
how do you spell Mcdonalds??
sound like you are being called for tea................................:flip2:

[turismo mica]

Because on the FORDS they do work ok. They dont sell them for LS1's as they have done enough testing to know they are crap.

well from the discussion i had there on wednesday that is the biggest
load of crap i have heard:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[Viper]

Hi Guys


I have read past comments on this thread re the new SS induction, it still looks a little restrictive & your not getting much cold air from outside your car.


I use to have the original SS Ind the one with the big mouth. It was very restrictive setup & my best time down the quarter was a 13.98 @ 103mph. I have the usual bolt on mods exhaust, throttle body, computer etc. Then i put on a straight air intake from Sureflo Exhaust, the results where over the top. My very first run was a 13.6 @ 105mph & now my best time is 13.35 @ 107mph.

Like a turbo car gets air forced through it's system to increase horse power, the straight air intake has almost the same effect especially if you force it from the front panel through a deflector plate. Your getting the outside air forced straight into your car, thus getting the full cold air from outside your car which increases horse power & quarter mile results like mine.

I hope this helps

[markone2]

pt guys have some very positive stuff to say about ss ind.

:soap: :soap:


I think Power Torque might prefer to put there own view on SS inductions here on the forum rather than be quoted 2nd hand......:eek:

[PepeLePew]

good point, however as the guys there will tell you, a lot of goons who think
the know all sit on the forum and add - value

pt guys have some very positive stuff to say about ss ind.

:soap: :soap:

And others spend their money and have workshops with nothing to gain from doing so throw the units in the dust corner only to be replaced by a $30 part from Holden. Go figure!

Once again I am NOT rubbishing the Growler, my experience is based on a VX unit. But unless you have positive proof to the opposing viewpoint showing the Growler is a reformed product compared to the previous, blindly posting support for the product is a little misguided....and there will always be those who disagree based on experience who have spent their good dollars with this company for a product which ended in the dustbin...

Make people like me who are sick of reading 'opinions' accept your view by presenting a little data in the form of back to back dynos at least....and preferably back to back 1/4s. I'd be happy, amongst others, to be proven wrong. Proven being the operative term. And then we can all learn something.

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

I'm noticing a lot of people are rubbishing the bang for buck value of ssi compared to the 2 hole mod, and I can understand with good reason for some people that have gone backwards putting one on. But it appears some people have had good results and good on them.
But if you are going to play that card is a OTRCAI really a good bang for buck if you are going to make the same comparison? They are not cheap themselves either.
I find it strange that no workshops are jumping into the debate here. The other thing I find strange is that if these guys have bought ssi kits from PT I'm sure Sean (sorry if I spelt it wrong) and Mark would have told them not to waste their money if it was crap. $100 more would have got the an OTRCAI or they would have offered to do the 2 hole mod for them atleast.

[DUCKMAN]

Hi Guys

I have just been scanning this thread must say seems like a few individuals have some barrows to push.

The otrcai that I have seen cant be put on to a standard car period.
So you pay for the kit then you have to pay for a mafless tune.
It looks far from standard Both in design and finish of materials.
I would argue that there are a number of ways to create the same product some more successful than others but more importantly each caters to a specific market segment with its own parameters for success. This being said You cant argue that the SSI growler is better or worse than say the OTRCAI or the K&N kit or the Kostecki kit. What one wins or looses from one point of view is made up for in the eyes of another.

So to paraphrase
"lets not bicker and argue about who killed who, this is supposed to be a Happy occasion"

Something in that for all of us I think

Another rant brought to you by -
Duckman

[Exithouse]

I installed one of these on my VZ Clubbie and have had none of the "it'll fall apart", "blow up" or "kill your car" like some on here will have you believe. Some people have other agendas and quite possibly vested interests on this topic... I still stand by the original post and nothing has happened to change my opinion. Personally I can't see anything wrong with it and if all the doomsday people here are correct and it kills my car then I'm still covered under the new car warrantee (checked and have it in writing from Holden dealer). Bottom line for me is it works for my car - maybe I'm the only one here to get lucky with it ah?

[markone2]

maybe I'm the only one here to get lucky with it ah?

No,not at all...there was another....emphasis on the word *was*
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=589352#post589352

[Exithouse]

This is where most people here missed my original post – I am talking about a VZ LS2 HSV Clubbie not a LS1 based Commodore. It is a totally different engine.

[BLACK 346]

This is where most people here missed my original post – I am talking about a VZ LS2 HSV Clubbie not a LS1 based Commodore. It is a totally different engine.

Ok, so lets get them before and after dyno sheets
up for all to see, or maybe some strip times with
a big improvement after fitting ss reductions kit?
You obviously have this proof or you wouldn't be
on here making all these big claims.

[OLS108]

This is where most people here missed my original post – I am talking about a VZ LS2 HSV Clubbie not a LS1 based Commodore. It is a totally different engine.
Yeah your 100% Right ! it only Lost 13rwkw on an LS1 , It wouldnt be the same on an LS2, More like 15-20rwkw Loss.

[Maloo R8 A6]

So What Would Be the forum favourite cai to fit to my Maloo ?

[OLS108]

So What Would Be the forum favorite CAI to fit to my Maloo ?
For a Stock Maloo, Id recommend the DIY two hole mod:teach:
Do a search :idea:

[VooDoo]

So What Would Be the forum favourite cai to fit to my Maloo ?

The BEST is an OTRCAI. For a cheaper option the MCAI with 2 hole mod.

Forget that SSI exists. For other brands they may work, on LS1/2's they DONT. No grey areas here. Only those ppl that feel the need to justify the fact they spent $400 on a crap product will back them up. The rest of the guys cut their losses and accept they didnt research enough and bought the wrong thing.

[SSBarney]

This is where most people here missed my original post – I am talking about a VZ LS2 HSV Clubbie not a LS1 based Commodore. It is a totally different engine.

U may want to reread your first post then :doh:



Earlier I drove a VZ SS with the same kit on and it makes one hell of a difference on SS’s – I’d say that if you have an SS then an air induction kit is essential!

[SUX350]

This is where most people here missed my original post – I am talking about a VZ LS2 HSV Clubbie not a LS1 based Commodore. It is a totally different engine.


which ss reduction kit do you have. you talk about the big mouth reduction kit in your first post,anyway makes no diffrence,both kits are useless.

[Delco]

For a Stock Maloo, Id recommend the DIY two hole mod:teach:
Do a search :idea:


I would have to concur , the two hole mod on a HSV airbox is definately the prefered mod , way better than the MCIA but it is a little more expensive

[Wonky]

Forget that SSI exists. For other brands they may work, on LS1/2's they DONT.
Sorry Voodoo, have to disagree based on the testing done by the VCM-Suite guys. Am sure everybody would agree they know what they are doing.

They tested the Kostecki, Growler and K&N Aircharger. They found that on LS1s even the best of them (Kostecki) varied between 4 and 10 rwkw gain on different cars. Their summary in an email to me was:

"We have found the Growler to be worth a little less (power) than the Kostecki, and I should also mention that the K&N version is significantly cheaper and not far at all off the Kostecki."

So they had gains with all 3 and rated the best as the Kostecki but the Growler and Aircharger also good. Previous SSI stuff may have been crap but the Growler seems OK. I have absolutely no vested interest and only contacted them to follow up on something that MNR-O wrote back in June 05 about tests he was doing for them.

It seems (IMHO) that bang for buck the 2 hole mod would have to be #1 but if you want to outlay more money for Kostecki/Growler/Aircharger it would depend how cheaply you can get each as to which is best BFB.

[chillicatqld]

there ya go then mockers...

[VooDoo]

Wonky: so 4kw is ok for the $400+ outlay? If they had done back to back testing with the OTRCAI from PT/Sureflow AND the MCAI/HSV Airbox with the 2 hole mod then they may have has some credibility. As it stands none of the above CAI systems are recommended. If you want to waste your $$ with expensive CAI systems that MANY owners have tested both on the dyno and at the track then feel free. Just dont complain in here when you find they dont produce the gains expected.

[VX-300]

Error 404 : VCM Suite guys - Dyno charts not found.

:rofl:

[Wonky]

Wonky: so 4kw is ok for the $400+ outlay? If they had done back to back testing with the OTRCAI from PT/Sureflow AND the MCAI/HSV Airbox with the 2 hole mod then they may have has some credibility. As it stands none of the above CAI systems are recommended. If you want to waste your $$ with expensive CAI systems that MANY owners have tested both on the dyno and at the track then feel free. Just dont complain in here when you find they dont produce the gains expected.
I take your point VooDoo but that was not the aim of my post. Besides, you took the worst case scenario which also applies to any mod anyone does just because of differences between individual cars.

The aim of my post was just to try to present a more balanced view of the Growler. I have never bought any SSI products and am very unlikely to, but people on here were knocking the Growler on the strength of their experiences with previous SSI products. All my post was doing was saying that the Growler can achieve similar gains to other products and certainly doesn't make the car lose power as others have been suggestin.

Would I spend that money myself on a Growler or similar? That's a big NO!! I am going to get a HSV airbox and do the 2 hole mod! :D

[vx_ss_man]

hi guys i got myself a growler kit for my vx ss, big difference in the power(gets heads turning too lol) i will get some pics for ya's

[IIV8II]

Don't bother...

[FatBoy]

hi guys i got myself a growler kit for my vx ss, big difference in the power(gets heads turning too lol) i will get some pics for ya's

We can't wait. Then please post up before and after dyno sheets... :shock:

[VXSS346]

big difference in the power

I'm sure there is!!!!!

[KeenGolfer]

hi guys i got myself a growler kit for my vx ss, big difference in the power

Yeah, sure there is :lol: Show us the before/after dyno sheets. Oh wait, it makes more noise so it must be faster!

[VX-300]

Is it school holidays there again ??????

[nirvana]

another seat of the pants meter.
get it calibrated.

[Tron2004]

Oooh, we talking about my favourite subject again?? :p

[STATIE]

Mine too:lol:

Aledgedly, in my opinion blah blah blah.:rolleyes:

Gotta watch your arse on here nowadays.

[SSBarney]

mine makes heads turn too,...oh damn are we still talking SSreductions,

[aperfectcircle]

There should be a word bloker on "SS Induction" so that no one can post any more about these systems.


Or just one post showing the dyno results, before and after.
Just leaving the topic there, with nothing more to add.

The results should say it all.

[hqracer]

This is always a real contentious subject. However, a mate of mine who has a VX II Clubby just had the latest "growler" version put on his car.

I went along for laugh to take the piss for him wasting $700 on a hunk of useless plastic. He wasnt going to dyno it at all, but I convinced him too, because I thought these were junk and it would give him grounds to return it and get his $700 back.

Dynoed the car, installed the growler, redynoed car. All intake temps etc etc were in sync so the dyno run's were comparable...picked up 11 kilowatts.

He has the dyno sheet to prove it!

I had to eat humble pie...as did the dyno operator...he was waiting to have a laugh too as he had dyno'd cars with the older version and they had gone backwards. We both had to eat humble pie.

[hqracer]

Oh..also....car has standard headers, no cats and a remus exhaust. Had a GTS MAF pipe from JHP in melbourne on it for the inital dyno run before the 11kw gain from fitting the growler.

I will also note....would I ever buy one of these reduction products?....hell no....But I seen it with my own eyes, straight off the dyno computer screen!

[XLR8 V8]

I picked up a 9kw gain by adding the Monaro Cold Air Intake with a 2 hole mod ... that cost me $21.
Even though he supposedly had a gain, if I had a spare $700 to blow like he did, I'd spend it on:
1. MCAI $21
2. GTS Maf pipe $180
3. Mail Order Tune $400
Total - $601 - and a helluva lot more bang for my buck than a $700 intake

[vx_ss_man]

I need some advice from you computer geeks, how do i put pics on this website???

[XLR8 V8]

I need some advice from you computer geeks, how do i put pics on this website???

By reading the sticky in the Forum Help Centre called "HOW TO: Posting Images" (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21)

[vx_ss_man]

here are some pictures http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/vx_ss_man

[VX-300]

Personally I would have used the $ to buy a better camera.
It looks like something you might find in the plumbing aisle at Bunnings.

[OLS108]

here are some pictures http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/vx_ss_man
Must admit the Growler is the Best of the SS inductions LS1 CAIs but thats not saying Much...
$700 Vs the Mods that Kris sugested... = a SS inductions assisted 14.4 or a 13.3... Bang for Buck there for the taking.

BTW mate your New 350 Chev is Missing 4 Cubic inches:teach:

[vx_ss_man]

$700 where did u get that price?? mine was $470

[XLR8 V8]

$700 where did u get that price?? mine was $470

The $700 price was from the last page, but even the ss inductions website states a RRP of $600

[vx_ss_man]

This argument could go on forever, so im not going to bother anymore, but for the guys who have done “all this testing” or listened to others bullshit, doesn’t the ecu have to adjust the mixture because of the extra airflow??? Hmmm adjustment takes around 200klms to see the full gains

[IIV8II]

This argument could go on forever, so im not going to bother anymore, but for the guys who have done “all this testing” or listened to others bullshit, doesn’t the ecu have to adjust the mixture because of the extra airflow??? Hmmm adjustment takes around 200klms to see the full gains

lol...hmmmm yes and I hmmm have a hmmmm harbour bridge for sale.

Sorry to be the bearere of bad news but feller, you've been dudded.

[Sugaris]

ok.. ok... my local performance dude told me the other day to stop F&*king around and get a supercharger!!!! end of story!!!

[SS_Brute]

ok.. ok... my local performance dude told me the other day to stop F&*king around and get a supercharger!!!! end of story!!!

:headbang: Out of interest who would be your local performance dude?

[Vulture]

This argument could go on forever, so im not going to bother anymore, but for the guys who have done “all this testing” or listened to others bullshit, doesn’t the ecu have to adjust the mixture because of the extra airflow??? Hmmm adjustment takes around 200klms to see the full gains

Mate, don't feel too bad. I made the same mistake a couple of years ago with the VY before I discovered the forums. Now whenever I feel like a mod I consult this forum thoroughly. There are mods that are very well established to provide gains, the SS Inductions is NOT one of these. The opposite is true, they have been demonstrated time and time again to rob power from LS1s. As others have mentioned, even if there is the odd case of a gain recorded, bang for your buck is better found elsewhere.

[Sugaris]

hey ss brute... mate bob parks on keane street in currajong townsville... He does all types of vehicles including ricey cars... boooooo!

ain't nothing like an 8!!! blown 8 is even better!!!

[hqracer]

$700 is NZ$ if you look closely. It wasnt my money, if he has plenty I guess he can spend it on whatever he wants, besides, he is happy with the results. He likes the factory look, as opposed to the Two hole hack and it already had a GTS MAF pipe on it that was taken off..if you read the post thoroughly.

I was told a AUD$400 mailorder tune isnt worth 2 cents when you have an HSV as you already have all the changes.

Almost everyone in this thread is so biased you couldnt have a decent discussion in here anyway.

The growlers works...so build a bridge! :flip3:

[BLACK 346]

$700 is NZ$ if you look closely. It wasnt my money, if he has plenty I guess he can spend it on whatever he wants, besides, he is happy with the results. He likes the factory look, as opposed to the Two hole hack and it already had a GTS MAF pipe on it that was taken off..if you read the post thoroughly.

I was told a AUD$400 mailorder tune isnt worth 2 cents when you have an HSV as you already have all the changes.

Almost everyone in this thread is so biased you couldnt have a decent discussion in here anyway.

The growlers works...so build a bridge! :flip3:

Why waste the time, just buy the one IIV8II has for sale.

[hqracer]

I re-iterate once more - Almost everyone in this thread is so biased you couldnt have a decent discussion in here anyway.

[aperfectcircle]

Hey hqracer heres a idea, from yourself "build a bridge and get over it".:D

[XLR8 V8]

I was told a AUD$400 mailorder tune isnt worth 2 cents when you have an HSV as you already have all the changes.


:lol:

Sure, if you order a "HSV 285kw Tune" from some backyarder, you'll get a PCM with a standard HSV tune in it. There's plenty of HSV's running around with mega-rich fuel ratios in their tune.
However, if you talk to one of the sponsors on this forum that offer a mail order tune, and you'll find you get something with a bit more punch than a HSV stocker.

As for us all being biased ... this coming from a guy who just admitted in his previous posts that he thought they were crap before .... so we're not allowed to do the same until someone actually POSTS a dyno sheet to prove otherwise? Just 'cause you've been converted doesn't mean the rest of us have to based purely on your word that it works? We've seen plenty of people come on here saying, "I got a gain and have dyno sheets to prove it, but I won't post them 'cause I don't care what you all think" - none of them ever actually post up the sheets....

[BLACK 346]

I re-iterate once more - Almost everyone in this thread is so biased you couldnt have a decent discussion in here anyway.

2 x Collapsed SS Inductions maf pipes and a crappy piece of restrictive
plastic that sits over the radiator and seriously reduces the supply
of air to your engine might have made me a little biased against
their product, but hey at least I learn from my mistakes :yup:

[vx_ss_man]

FYI the growler kit does not sit over the radiator. It sits behind the headlight sucking cold air from under the light. ****EN FOOLS YOU ****Z GOT A CLUE???

[XLR8 V8]

FYI the growler kit does not sit over the radiator. It sits behind the headlight sucking cold air from under the light. ****EN FOOLS YOU ****Z GOT A CLUE???

Read his post more carefully, he is talking about his experience with the 2 x failed SS Inductions units he had that DID sit over the radiator making him somewhat biased against the SS Inductions products .... where's that clue gone? :p

[ATTNSEEKR]

FYI the growler kit does not sit over the radiator. It sits behind the headlight sucking cold air from under the light. ****EN FOOLS YOU ****Z GOT A CLUE???

anyone that had a "CLUE" would just do the 2 hole mod and a gts intake pipe and return better results for this, then the SS Reduction setup... and cost less then half there asking price.....

[markone2]

I re-iterate once more - Almost everyone in this thread is so biased you couldnt have a decent discussion in here anyway.


I concurr........most likey caused by a small minority who refuse to listen to those you have already put in the hard yards......and hard cash.


Pics From Willowbank Sunday.........Both cars fitted out with Racing Harnesses as per andra's 11 second rule..

The Bling Bling ...14.00 at 100.03mph VX HSV R8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083736.DSC00872.JPG

The real thing...11.1 at 121mph....VY SV8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083718.DSC00874.JPG

[BLACK 346]

I concurr........most likey caused by a small minority who refuse to listen to those you have already put in the hard yards......and hard cash.


Pics From Willowbank Sunday.........Both cars fitted out with Racing Harnesses as per andra's 11 second rule..

The Bling Bling ...14.00 at 100.03mph VX HSV R8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083736.DSC00872.JPG

The real thing...11.1 at 121mph....VY SV8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083718.DSC00874.JPG

lol, priceless Mark, a picture tells a thousand words, maybe the minority
will get the idea now :lol:

[BLACK 346]

FYI the growler kit does not sit over the radiator. It sits behind the headlight sucking cold air from under the light. ****EN FOOLS YOU ****Z GOT A CLUE???

Welcome to the Forum man, I am sure your valuable contribution
is appreciated by all :wave: :rolleyes:

[exploder]

FYI the growler kit does not sit over the radiator. It sits behind the headlight sucking cold air from under the light. ****EN FOOLS YOU ****Z GOT A CLUE???

So the same as a MCAI.......:doh: But with the added $$$$$$$

[Leatherman]

I concurr........most likey caused by a small minority who refuse to listen to those you have already put in the hard yards......and hard cash.


Pics From Willowbank Sunday.........Both cars fitted out with Racing Harnesses as per andra's 11 second rule..

The Bling Bling ...14.00 at 100.03mph VX HSV R8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083736.DSC00872.JPG

The real thing...11.1 at 121mph....VY SV8
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083718.DSC00874.JPG

You forgot to show his big tacho as well:doh: .......it was an interesting morning to watch.....with LRC having no competition from LS1's at all......even though other LS1's were there from 'other' (maybe one might use a stronger adjective such as 'inferior') tuning shops to PowerTorque Engines with expensive upgrades. All were at least 2 seconds behind M12 as far as I could tell.

[hqracer]

Dyno sheets will be up by the end of the week.

As for being converted...I'm not, but I can at least have an open mind and not rattle a bunch of abusive sh*t off because I know nothing better like most of the one-eyed people in here.

[markone2]

Dyno sheets will be up by the end of the week.

As for being converted...I'm not, but I can at least have an open mind and not rattle a bunch of abusive sh*t off because I know nothing better like most of the one-eyed people in here.


Time slips if you please.....track mph is what we are after........:idea: Dyno sheets reputably being excellent fodder for wiping up after the 3rd eye.......they can be adjusted to suit

[Hi-Torque]

You forgot to show his big tacho as well:doh: .......it was an interesting morning to watch.....with LRC having no competition from LS1's at all......even though other LS1's were there from 'other' (maybe one might use a stronger adjective such as 'inferior') tuning shops to PowerTorque Engines with expensive upgrades. All were at least 2 seconds behind M12 as far as I could tell.


Sorry we couldn't make it Leatherman..... soon tho I hope a Blue ute (from the only other tuner with 1/4 mile results) will come close... maybe not quite upto LRC but prob LBT :lol:

Time will tell

[Hi-Torque]

Time slips if you please.....track mph is what we are after........:idea: Dyno sheets reputably being excellent fodder for wiping up after the 3rd eye.......they can be adjusted to suit


Well said Mark couldn't agree more

[Vulture]

Time slips if you please.....track mph is what we are after........:idea: Dyno sheets reputably being excellent fodder for wiping up after the 3rd eye.......they can be adjusted to suit

:rofl: Nice one.

[thorny]

How can you help others ,when they cant help themselves.:D

[hqracer]

:banghead:

I wont bother posting the dyno sheets then, whats the point...first dyno sheets, then time slips...good greif....go back to your own little corners silly little children.

time slips are editable to...half you guys probably tweak them to make you look like you have bigger balls than the weaners you have....

so much for an open forum with unbiased discussions....what a joke!

:bs: :banghead: :bash:

[Vulture]

:banghead:

I wont bother posting the dyno sheets then, whats the point...first dyno sheets, then time slips...good greif....go back to your own little corners silly little children.

time slips are editable to...half you guys probably tweak them to make you look like you have bigger balls than the weaners you have....

so much for an open forum with unbiased discussions....what a joke!

:bs: :banghead: :bash:

Who is being biased? Many of us have been stung by SS Inductions stuff in the past so forgive us for being skeptical about any new stuff they make. There is now a wealth of information about the older SS inductions unit and it is a 'done deal' that it does not perform as claimed both on the dyno and at the track. Simple. Fullstop. Arguing for the older unit makes the person who does it BIASED as they are ignoring emperical evidence to the contrary.

We are all interested in mods that work and especially mods that work for minimum $$; why would we hide/not believe results if the new 'growler' was shown to work? The point being made about the new unit is that, whilst it may work (and no one has track times to prove it yet) it is not a cost effective modification. I think I speak for many forum members when I write this (guys correct me if I am wrong). Now again, who is being biased? Dyno sheets are useful to compare before and after on the same dyno, same day and conditions etc. and track mph is even more useful as it is a more 'absolute' measure of HP. Strap on an over-the-radiator cold air intake (OTRCAI) and watch your mph increase immediately. Does any of the SS stuff do this? If so, great but it is still not cost effective.

[hqracer]

I agree the old SS Inductions stuff is crap...everyone knows that. This new growler does work. Nobody ever mentioned anything about it being cost effective...it was purely to prove that this new product does work.

Time slips are completely subjectable and down to the driver and track conditions and quite frankly I think arent worth a pinch of sh*t...besides that fact there is only 1 in the North Island of NZ which is approx 500km from here.

[Vulture]

Time slips are completely subjectable and down to the driver and track conditions and quite frankly I think arent worth a pinch of sh*t..

Actually, that is not true mph on the track (rather than ET) is a remarkably consistent way to get an idea of the power your car is producing ie. it is more of an absolute than a subjective measure. Just ask the experienced drag racers on the forum.

[OLS108]

I agree the old SS Inductions stuff is crap...everyone knows that. This new growler does work. Nobody ever mentioned anything about it being cost effective...it was purely to prove that this new product does work.

Time slips are completely subjectable and down to the driver and track conditions and quite frankly I think arent worth a pinch of sh*t...besides that fact there is only 1 in the North Island of NZ which is approx 500km from here.
I Agree the Growler Does work... it works Just as well as the MCAI for $25.. Simple as that.
as for calling us Simple little Children ??? I may be young but who is acting like it ?:hmmm:

[markone2]

I agree the old SS Inductions stuff is crap...everyone knows that. This new growler does work. Nobody ever mentioned anything about it being cost effective...it was purely to prove that this new product does work.

Time slips are completely subjectable and down to the driver and track conditions and quite frankly I think arent worth a pinch of sh*t...besides that fact there is only 1 in the North Island of NZ which is approx 500km from here.


Which just tells me conclusively you .
A/ Have no time slips for your current car
B/ 0 track experience with your current car

If your playing with unopened cars / cam only or H/C cars there is one thing that varies very little...trap mph......M6 or A4...........with atmospherics having more input here than driver ability or track conditions imho

Still all is not lost…I dare say the boffins at SS Inductions will be slapping themselves heartily on the back around now having been provided with indisputable proof there heavily funded advertising budget has reached the targeted market

[chillicatqld]

Good grief hqracer - no track experience - you don't race your car! And you call yourself a Man? shame on you....

*(I am being sarcastic)

[Leatherman]

Sorry we couldn't make it Leatherman..... soon tho I hope a Blue ute (from the only other tuner with 1/4 mile results) will come close... maybe not quite upto LRC but prob LBT :lol:

Time will tell

LBT will be waiting Mr Hi-Torque...........just make sure you drive it there and don't strip the guts out of it to make it fair. That is leaving tailgate on, keeping petrol tank cover on, floor mats and full interior, etc as that's how LBT is raced at present. I'll let you have your slicks though if you need 'em:D

When you heading out next???? I need to know so that I can give LBT it's annual wash up against your pretty blue ute....don't want it getting an inferiority complex!!!!!

Rgds,

Leatherman

[KeenGolfer]

This new growler does work. Nobody ever mentioned anything about it being cost effective...it was purely to prove that this new product does work.

Sonny has tested the growler, and it didn't work as well as the MCAI. That's good enough for me. It had higher on road intake temps as well.

[OLS108]

Sonny has tested the growler, and it didn't work as well as the MCAI. That's good enough for me. It had higher on road intake temps as well.
There u have it... Tried and Tested.:yup:
Case Closed.
( or so it would seem )

[scat2k3]

Sonny has tested the growler, and it didn't work as well as the MCAI. That's good enough for me. It had higher on road intake temps as well.

That he did Drew. This is what he had to say http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=544453&postcount=74

and here is the whole thread http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=41780

hqracer, the whole point of the argument here is that you can get the same or better performance from spending just $25 and doing the 2 hole mod. For people looking at intake mods, what do you think they are going to choose?

If you are happy with the thing, all power to you.

Cheers,

Scott

[C4B]

:banghead:

I wont bother posting the dyno sheets then, whats the point...first dyno sheets, then time slips...good greif....go back to your own little corners silly little children.

time slips are editable to...half you guys probably tweak them to make you look like you have bigger balls than the weaners you have....

so much for an open forum with unbiased discussions....what a joke!

:bs: :banghead: :bash:


And they say intelligent conversation is dead..... :lmao:

[XLR8 V8]

:banghead:

I wont bother posting the dyno sheets then, whats the point

Wow! You were pretty quick to find an excuse not to post up the sheets ... and it's almost exactly what I said others have done before you on post #167 of this thread :eek:
I suddenly feel a little psychic .... this weeks lotto numbers are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 ..... oh, hang on, those are those wierd numbers from LOST ... we're all doomed!! :lol: :lol:

[hqracer]

Wow! You were pretty quick to find an excuse not to post up the sheets ... and it's almost exactly what I said others have done before you on post #167 of this thread :eek:
I suddenly feel a little psychic .... this weeks lotto numbers are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 ..... oh, hang on, those are those wierd numbers from LOST ... we're all doomed!! :lol: :lol:


And your supposed to behave like a moderator.......:nopity:

Why post them if they are just going to get slammed. Im not getting anything out of it except abuse and bullshit from people on this forum!

[hqracer]

Good grief hqracer - no track experience - you don't race your car! And you call yourself a Man? shame on you....

*(I am being sarcastic)

Real useful input...nothing better to do? :thumbsup:

[SS_Fury]

i would like to see the dyno sheets :)

[hqracer]

[QUOTE=markone2]Which just tells me conclusively you .
A/ Have no time slips for your current car
B/ 0 track experience with your current car

Correct...why drive 500km to prove nothing?

I have had cars down the strip before and on the track. All times completely influenced by the driver. You cant dispute it.

Scenario - You drive you car down the 1/4, then i'll drive your car down the 1/4 and the slowest run is what you read your power off....go figure....

[VooDoo]

The MPH will be very close. Launch/60ft is where you see variances in driver ability. MPH is very consistant accross the board regardless of driver.

[XLR8 V8]

And your supposed to behave like a moderator.......:nopity:

Why post them if they are just going to get slammed. Im not getting anything out of it except abuse and bullshit from people on this forum!

How are Moderators supposed to behave? I didn't know we were supposed to check our sense of humour at the door? My bad ... I'll frown upon anyone being humorous from now on I promise
You seem to be very emotional about an intake mate .... you said you were going to put up some dyno sheets, someone asked if you could put up some timeslips instead because they don't think dyno sheets mean much, and you have a hissy fit

[seldo]

HQracer: Don't feel too bad about it - it's human nature to be reluctant to admit that you/he has made a goose of himself by finding you've wasted $700 when all the advice and evidence to the contrary was there to be had for nothing :o . It's probably the same every time you get shafted...the pain eventually fades. It's just important to try to make it a learning experience...just like many on here have done...:yup: There you go...and I didn't even mention sheep...:shock:

[macca33]

Ouch......

[hqracer]

read the thread properly......it wasnt even me so I couldnt give a toss...thats the whole point of it. The only pain i get is from people like you who write bullocks like you just did.

And it wasnt $700 wasted - he made 11 kilowatts!

[hqracer]

How are Moderators supposed to behave? I didn't know we were supposed to check our sense of humour at the door? My bad ... I'll frown upon anyone being humorous from now on I promise
You seem to be very emotional about an intake mate .... you said you were going to put up some dyno sheets, someone asked if you could put up some timeslips instead because they don't think dyno sheets mean much, and you have a hissy fit

and who are they to say dyno sheets arent worth much - dyno results are the basis on which 90% of performance products are sold.

Im not having a hissy fit...well maybe I am....but its not even about these "growlers" anymore. Its about people crap attitude on the forum. It's disgusting.

[C4B]

...and I didn't even mention sheep...:shock:

Yeah but you were definitely thinking of them...... Hmmmm wool!

[hqracer]

Yeah but you were definitely thinking of them...... Hmmmm wool!

dont we all..... :nono: :lmao:

[XLR8 V8]

and who are they to say dyno sheets arent worth much - dyno results are the basis on which 90% of performance products are sold.

Im not having a hissy fit...well maybe I am....but its not even about these "growlers" anymore. Its about people crap attitude on the forum. It's disgusting.


Well for starters the bloke who asked for timeslips instead knows a helluva lot about pedalling a car down the quarter .... and he has seen plenty of people with car that made a lot more power on the dyno than his run a lot slower times down the quarter.
So I can understand him asking for a run with the growler, then a run without for comparison. It's easy to just say "No, I/my mate don't run at the track, but I'll put up the dyno sheets later" rather than jump up and down about it.
Dyno sheets do sell a lot of performance products .... that doesn't mean that they actually WORK away from a dyno :yup: Many before us have spent and wasted money on different product claims for us to benefit from their experience

[hqracer]

fair enuff XL....i have the sheets - about to post - just heading off to read instructions on how to post a pic

[seldo]

read the thread properly......it wasnt even me so I couldnt give a toss...thats the whole point of it. The only pain i get is from people like you who write bullocks like you just did.

And it wasnt $700 wasted - he made 11 kilowatts!
Hehe..I wish the fish would bite as well as you do...
I did say "you/he" just in case it really wasn't you......:eyes:
And I wonder whether the bloke who did the dyno test also sold him/you the item....He wouldn't fudge the numbers to justify the cost would he..? Especially since he is the only bloke to have ever made KW out of this mod. But - let's see the dyno sheets...or are they too baaaad. Oops..there goes the sheep thing again..:eyes:

[hqracer]

Hehe..I wish the fish would bite as well as you do...
I did say "you/he" just in case it really wasn't you......:eyes:
And I wonder whether the bloke who did the dyno test also sold him/you the item....He wouldn't fudge the numbers to justify the cost would he..? Especially since he is the only bloke to have ever made KW out of this mod. But - let's see the dyno sheets...or are they too baaaad. Oops..there goes the sheep thing again..:eyes:


Fish do bite well over here.....anyway....sorry to disappoint, but the dyno operater was as skeptical as I was...he did not sell my mate the growler...(isnt selling growler illegal).

[hqracer]

OK...non believers...lets see how long it takes until you rip this apart....I wont hold my breath! :lol:

http://www.hqmotorsport.co.nz/images/growler dyno results.jpg

[hqracer]

And before anyone says it....the higher line is with the growler fitted....

[kayman]

hey thats been photoshopped...



























































just kidding

[hqracer]

it has been photoshoped from the point of view of wiping out the persons name. that is all.

[hqracer]

Everyone suddenly gone quiet??? :bravo:

[RED R8]

I just had a look at the new ss induction catalogue shows the new intake with a woolen insulated cover to reduce intake temps it was called the Hairy growler.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[kayman]

it has been photoshoped from the point of view of wiping out the persons name. that is all.

haha, yeah i know dude, just kidding :P

[hqracer]

I prefer the silky smooth variety myself! :lol:

[XLR8 V8]

What other mods does this vehicle have?

[hqracer]

What other mods does this vehicle have?

Remus exhaust, no cats, standard headers. Thats it. It had a JHP MAF pipe on it for the first dyno run before being changed to the growler.

[VooDoo]

8kw for $700. Now there is some value for money. Removing the air filter can get you around that. I would have spent that on a decent tune to smooth out that torque surf.

[XLR8 V8]

Remus exhaust, no cats, standard headers. Thats it. It had a JHP MAF pipe on it for the first dyno run before being changed to the growler.

So the gain is 10.2 flywheel kw ....

[seldo]

And before anyone says it....the higher line is with the growler fitted....
Of course it is.....;)

[hqracer]

8kw for $700. Now there is some value for money. Removing the air filter can get you around that. I would have spent that on a decent tune to smooth out that torque surf.


10.2 actually. removing the airfilter...now thats a good idea! Send some nice dusty air right into your engine!

Getting a tune over here is like finding an aussie without a big mouth...rare as hens teeth! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hqracer]

So the gain is 10.2 flywheel kw ....

Nope. RWKW.

[RED R8]

8kw for $700. Now there is some value for money. Removing the air filter can get you around that. I would have spent that on a decent tune to smooth out that torque surf.
I think thats the whole point that you have proven the growler did improve overall performance (by a small margin) but value for money it just isn't a viable mod and the same intake gain or more can be had for alot less $$$ but if your happy and it is your $$$ thats all that counts but in reality a two hole mod and mcai $30 would have done the same.:idea:

[XLR8 V8]

A car with just a catback and intake and no other mods is not going to make 247RWKW, let alone 257RWKW.
The dyno operator has a seriously happy dyno on his hands if you think thats the real RWKW.
Are you sure it's not FWKW?

[hqracer]

I think thats the whole point that you have proven the growler did improve overall performance (by a small margin) but value for money it just isn't a viable mod and the same intake gain or more can be had for alot less $$$ but if your happy and it is your $$$ thats all that counts but in reality a two hole mod and mcai $30 would have done the same.:idea:

He's happy. It wasnt my money. It still has a facotry look to it too, as opposed to the drainpipe in the airbox routine.

[RED R8]

A car with those mods is not going to make 247RWKW, let alone 257RWKW.
So on a more accurate dyno (less happy) the growler gains would be even less.

[hqracer]

A car with those mods is not going to make 247RWKW, let alone 257RWKW.

This is an interesting topic that has been discussed before and I believe it came down to the fact this is a bolt on dyno and a lot more accurate than a rolling dyno.

[KPWISHN]

A car with those mods is not going to make 247RWKW, let alone 257RWKW.


That is still a 4% increase. Even if the dyno was out of calibration.

[hqracer]

So on a more accurate dyno (less happy) the growler gains would be even less.

It is not a HAPPY dyno as you so politely put it.

[SS_Fury]

hairy growler heehee

[XLR8 V8]

This is an interesting topic that has been discussed before and I believe it came down to the fact this is a bolt on dyno and a lot more accurate than a rolling dyno.

Doesn't matter how accurate a bolton dyno is meant to be .... a catback and intake will not give a gain of over 25% (the difference between 255FWKW and 255RWKW). You won't find an out of the box HSV 255kw making 247rwkw with a catback, let alone 257rwkw once you add an intake.

[XLR8 V8]

I should remind that I'm not disputing that he had a gain .... just that there are a lot better options for a $700 spend on mods considering it is such a minor gain for the $$. The gain I mentioned on my car from the MCAI was in RWKW, and cost me $21

[KPWISHN]

Getting a tune over here is like finding an aussie without a big mouth...rare as hens teeth! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Check out XLR8 V8's avatar. :stick: :lmao: :lmao:

:director: Surely this toasting session is over.

[hqracer]

Doesn't matter how accurate a bolton dyno is meant to be .... a catback and intake will not give a gain of over 25% (the difference between 255FWKW and 255RWKW). You won't find an out of the box HSV 255kw making 247rwkw with a catback, let alone 257rwkw once you add an intake.


Well im no dyno expert, but they are the numbers it spits out and its the latest and greatest Dynapac bolt on dyno.

[XLR8 V8]

:director: Surely this toasting session is over.

It's not meant to be a toasting session .... helping people to spend their modding $$ wisely is the aim.

[markone2]

This is an interesting topic that has been discussed before and I believe it came down to the fact this is a bolt on dyno and a lot more accurate than a rolling dyno.


I was under the impression these hub Dyno's read 20% higher than the DynoLog Chassis Dyno.:eek: ......and no the figure is not plucked outta thin air...picked it up from a small 20 year habitat in NZ's Mainland…………

[hqracer]

You could well be right. Sounds feasible. At least it is consistent eh!

You used to dyno over here?

[C4B]

Well I guess anyone that believes that the Guzzler, or whatever the hell it's called is good value for money should go out and buy one.

For those that do, I hear you can buy instructions off Ebay on how to do a throttle body coolant bypass as well. :lmao:

[RedVYIISS]

257 RWHP = 192 RWKW

If the number was HP, not kW it'd be quite believable.

(just read more of this thread and saw the dyno printout. It says kw, so forget my comment! BTW, anyone know how the Dynopac wheel dyno compares to a DD chassis dyno?)

[VooDoo]

10.2 actually. removing the airfilter...now thats a good idea! Send some nice dusty air right into your engine!

Getting a tune over here is like finding an aussie without a big mouth...rare as hens teeth! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bit like finding an accurate dyno huh, or maybe a value for money product from SS Reductions :lmao:

[C4B]

Bit like finding an accurate dyno huh, or maybe a value for money product from SS Reductions :lmao:

Or a Kiwi without a chip on their shoulder......

[hqracer]

Or a Kiwi without a chip on their shoulder......

C4B - right through this whole thread you have added nothing of value, just a whole bunch of worthless dribble and comments to annoy people. Wipe your chin and go post something relevant somewhere else. :weirdo:

[C4B]

C4B - right through this whole thread you have added nothing of value, just a whole bunch of worthless dribble and comments to annoy people. Wipe your chin and go post something relevant somewhere else. :weirdo:

Well we can't all be intellectual giants like yourself.... This is my favourite:



time slips are editable to...half you guys probably tweak them to make you look like you have bigger balls than the weaners you have....

so much for an open forum with unbiased discussions....what a joke!

[VX-300]

257 RWHP = 192 RWKW
If the number was HP, not kW it'd be quite believable.
(just read more of this thread and saw the dyno printout. It says kw, so forget my comment! BTW, anyone know how the Dynopac wheel dyno compares to a DD chassis dyno?)

Maybe there's an error as it converts RWSP (rear wheel sheep power) to RWKW ?????

[XLR8 V8]

Everyone quit the personal attacks and concentrate on the intake and its results

[The Warden]

HQR: Wow, 'phone a bit quiet at work today eh?.....

You've had a red hot go :hide:

FWIW: I accept the car in question got a gain from the Growler.... but I still tided it up at the Carterton drags in my stocker with only the remus :flip3: thanks to 24 psi in the rear tyres:lol:

As I've always said, that dyno gives questionable results. Like XLR8 V8 says, I can't see how those mods can possibly make up for all the drivetrain losses which is effectively what the graph says.

Better get a tune and growler for the Surf, big fella :shiner:

Cheers,
Gordie