10 second car ?

[JamesL]

HI, just wondering how hard it would be to make a Commy (5ltr or GenIII) to run 10 seconds on the track.

No Turbo/Super/NOS through and must be street drivable + only run pump petrol..

thanks..

[VooDoo]

Street driveable NA Gen3 doing 10's... yer right. Look at the timeslip database when its back up. Not many there. You could do it with a decent stroker but it wont have very nice manners. The easiest and cheapest way to do 10's and keep perfect street manners is with GenT Turbo kit + tyres. GarethSS ran 10.8@126 with that combo and its a very mild car to drive around with.

To get the same power without FI you need heads, cam, stroker, fuel system, weight reduction, diff gears etc etc etc... Dont even think of trying to do it on a 5L. Will cost twice as much although the VS is a lighter car. Pump fuel when chasing 10's isnt safe. If your going to run an on the edge tune to try and get low times then you would want something in there thats safe (martini 110 etc). It will give you a bit more power and save the engine if tuned on the edge.

[HRT 8]

HI, just wondering how hard it would be to make a Commy (5ltr or GenIII) to run 10 seconds on the track.

No Turbo/Super/NOS through and must be street drivable + only run pump petrol..

thanks..

On an LS1. A 15000 dollar bank ballance.
On a 5.0l A new mortgage on the house. :D

[MNR-0]

You didnt say which commie. Bolt a well tuned cam only LS1 into a VL and you might get close. For VT onwards, if you find the combo you are after, you stand to make a lot of money.

[ProVK]

Put a a heads and cam LS1 in a VL commodore, get it making 500hp+ and you will be knocking on the door of 10's

[KeenGolfer]

On an LS1. A 15000 dollar bank ballance.

I think it would be a lot more than $15,000 to take a NA LS1 in to the 10's when you include all the setup it would require, and it won't be nice on the street either.

[JamesL]

Mate of a mate has a GSR Lancer (few years old)... He has spent close to 50k or so on it..
I have not been in it but some other friends have and they all say its fast.
He is trying to get it to be a 9sec car.. Question I ask you is, can a car which has had almost everything changed and is awd do this or would it be a Nitro job and even then not possible (unless off course you go full race spec then almost anything is possible)...

:)

[NinetySix]

gawd, worst thread ever :rolleyes:


of course it can be done, and he wouldnt wanna be far off the mark for the 50k it supposedly cost him. if its retaining the 4G93 1.8L motor (i highly doubt it) that comes in the GSR then i would be very impressed... but as far as 4G63's (2.0L) go its been done already.


edit:

have a look here (you might have to sign up tho), time slip data and photos of quite a few mitsubishi awd 9 and 10 second cars, some of which are street cars... at least one dedicated drag car, and a few look to be stripped out a little, but you cant argue with the times they have run

http://www.fullboost.com.au/records.php?class=9#fullBOOST#

[JamesL]

Thanks NinetySix.
I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity which i now have..
No more q's about this from me now..

:)

[Oztrack Tuning]

A good setup to run guaranteed 10s

A4 LS1
Stall Converter $1500
Shift kit $600
Exhaust $2000
Cam $1700 222-224 555 lift and 25% UDP
Tuning $2500
OTRCAI $600
Heads $2000
Slicks/Front Runners $1700
90/10s & rear suspension setup right $1000
150hp wet NOS kit - with electronic controllers - fitted $1400

Cage $2000 ??
Firesuit $600
Battery isolator $250
Harness $350


$18000 to do properly and this is a rushed list.

[Gareth@Willall]

10's are easy. Be a man and aim for a 9 :lol:

And for the record there is no such thing as a guaranteed 10 second setup.

I recon I could take a stocker A4 and run 10's on radials straightup. For no more that $13k - $15k Maybe a little more if you want reliability (trans build etc)

[Martin_D]

Why are there so many members with $30+K spent that run 11s and 12s then? :confused:

[Gareth@Willall]

Why are there so many members with $30+K spent that run 11s and 12s then? :confused:

Maybe they like to waste money on stuff that doesnt do the job :confused: :bash:

And before anyone gets upset I'd hardly call my car a drag strip setup car. No good having a 10 second car that cant go round a corner :eek:

[Uncle Tone]

Tuna, Gareth, that was the biggest, most obvious, and cheesiest piece of self-promoting dialogue I have ever seen in my life. :nutkick:

Absolutely beautiful reading.......when you see the opportunity, eh?:D :D :p :booty: :lol: etc etc.

[Gareth@Willall]

Tuna, Gareth, that was the biggest, most obvious, and cheesiest piece of self-promoting dialogue I have ever seen in my life. :nutkick:

Absolutely beautiful reading.......when you see the opportunity, eh?:D :D :p :booty: :lol: etc etc.

Umm did I mention what I had done to my car? I'm sure you could search it. And if a sponsor wants to promote their product on the forum they pay to be on why should they get shit? Go fiddle with your maf tone.

[Uncle Tone]

Umm did I mention what I had done to my car? I'm sure you could search it. And if a sponsor wants to promote their product on the forum they pay to be on why should they get shit? Go fiddle with your maf tone.

Just thought it was funny mate, thats all. :D

Wasn't giving shit, don't get mad.....pleeeeeze....:)

[Martin_D]

Not at all Tone. While you might like to put that twist on it I do share a totally different view to Gareth on this one... Take your car for example, its a 13 second bus and I would hazard a guess you have spent clost to $10,000 on it. Too many people think that 10 second passes fall out of the sky the moment you write the cheque. It does not, has not, and will never work like that. Now at least via the constant banging of your head against the proverbial wall everytime you go to Calder to tear off yet another 13 you are beginning to understand that.

Take a look through the quick list for a moment and realise that there are still many very well respected sponsors on this forum who are yet to get a car within cooee of a street LS1 10 second pass, and then realise that plenty have been to them with open chequebooks wanting performance cars built. Are they stupid? Or is there more to it than that? If you believed any of this all any top notch shop had to do was employ Oztrack or Gareth - one of which has run a 10 second pass, and the times would magically appear through a series of scratch marks on a piece of paper, and at a great budget price.

While its nice to build a macro out of little structured pieces of code and write it down neatly, dont ever expect car stuff to work out like that. Its this understanding, or lack thereof by 'computer nerds turned car enthusiasts' that keeps many of them going so slowly for so long. Take some solace in that Tone.

Now back to the advertising segment.... :lol:

[Uncle Tone]

Not at all Tone. While you might like to put that twist on it I do share a totally different view to Gareth on this one... Take your car for example, its a 13 second bus and I would hazard a guess you have spent close to $10,000 on it.

Hmm.....what have I spent.....

5 grand on the engine bits, exhaust, etc.
Tex and rip, $2300 fitted,and tyres with rims....about 800 bucks.

Damn........eight grand!!! That sucks doesn't it???:mad:


Too many people think that 10 second passes fall out of the sky the moment you write the cheque. It does not, has not, and will never work like that. Now at least via the constant banging of your head against the proverbial wall everytime you go to Calder to tear off yet another 13 you are beginning to understand that.

Tuna, you are dead right. Only now do I finally understand why my car doesn't run 10's. :rolleyes: :p

What was I thinking???:p :p


Take a look through the quick list for a moment and realise that there are still many very well respected sponsors on this forum who are yet to get a car within cooee of a street LS1 10 second pass, and then realise that plenty have been to them with open chequebooks wanting performance cars built. Are they stupid? Or is there more to it than that?
I reckon all there is to it is that people like and often choose many different approaches to car modification. Nothing wrong with that, no matter what the times end up being.

Everybody knows that forced induction is the most bang for buck, that can't be disputed. Hence my decision to follow this path on my next car!:D

As I understand it this thread was about NA cars running 10's though.....


While its nice to build a macro out of little structured pieces of code and write it down neatly, dont ever expect car stuff to work out like that. Its this understanding, or lack thereof by 'computer nerds turned car enthusiasts' that keeps many of them going so slowly for so long. Take some solace in that Tone.
Err......Righto!!:D


Now back to the advertising segment.... :lol:

If you don't buy a Genital T kit you are a dickhead and wasting your money, and Tuna will hunt you down and KILL YOU!!!

:D :D :D How did I do boss???

:p

[Martin_D]

Well Tone, do the sums you have spent $8000 modifying a car to give stock levels of performance. Maybe less typing, and more reading might be in order? :teach:

The original poster wanted to know whats required for an NA 10 second pass, then he gets bombarded with GUARANTEED 10 SECOND PACKAGES for budget prices from people that have never run an NA 10. If you cant see something stupid in all that, then yes, you deserve all the 13 second passes at Calder you can muster. :lol: :lol:

[spiv]

Phonsy's GTS ran a 10.7 at Calder over a year ago, so it can and has been done, just need to really know what you are doing and work with the correct people to achieve the desired result.....:)

[Martin_D]

Spot on the money Spiv

[Uncle Tone]

Well Tone, do the sums you have spent $8000 modifying a car to give stock levels of performance. Maybe less typing, and more reading might be in order? :teach:
What that has to do with this thread I'll never know, but its good that you still pull this one out occasionally and dust it off....:p


The original poster wanted to know whats required for an NA 10 second pass, then he gets bombarded with GUARANTEED 10 SECOND PACKAGES for budget prices from people that have never run an NA 10.
Must have missed that little detail.....bombarded you say???


you deserve all the 13 second passes at Calder you can muster. :lol: :lol:

Tuna- http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-019.gif -UT

[Martin_D]

Thats the problem UT, you miss all the details, which all ties back to my original point. :teach:

[Uncle Tone]

Thats the problem UT, you miss all the details, which all ties back to my original point. :teach:

You had a point?:confused:

[RedVYIISS]

HI, just wondering how hard it would be to make a Commy (5ltr or GenIII) to run 10 seconds on the track.

No Turbo/Super/NOS through and must be street drivable + only run pump petrol..

thanks..

N/A 10 sec on track = pig on street
why do it?

[jona]

N/A 10 sec on track = pig on street
why do it?
im guessing u have had alot of experience with n/a 10sec cars?
the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable:D

[Martin_D]

Does anyone actually drive their 10 second NA LS1 on the street? Like to hear from guys that have them and clock up 300 - 500km a week in street driving. The only ones I know of are lucky to get 3000km out of an engine before its buggered if you happen to drive them like an actual car....

[Uncle Tone]

im guessing u have had alot of experience with n/a 10sec cars?
the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable:D

A 10.9 second Excel is awesome. You had something to do with this Tuna???
Double throttles bring it over the line......:D

[KeenGolfer]

My 427 has run 10's in a previous car. Although it has a smaller cam now, in the right car with correct setup, good driver etc, it wouldn't be far off a 10.

Wouldn't for a second claim I'd get anywhere near that in my wagon, but a NA 10 can be done, but it isn't easy.

And mine is prefectly streetable, very nice in fact :)

[jona]

A 10.9 second Excel is awesome.
lol...no, 265rwkw and a 13sec timeslip is awesum:lol:

[spiv]

Jona,

What happened to that VT SS that you had that used to run in the 10's ???

[jona]

gday
still got it mate
having a 402 ci built atm:D

[SLE355]

Just thinking about it a VU ute from WA ran 11.2's N/A, was a few years ago now, with a 383, 232 cam, headwork ect and is now daily driven, i cant see why a 402-408 cube stroker with a really nice set of heads and similar cam, maybe mid 230's@50, cant run a 10.9 and still be not bad to drive daily and last more than 3000km's? Didn't VXSS run high tens with the 427 daily driven? Unless of course, these aren't considered LS1's anymore?

Of course it wont be cheap! :D

[spiv]

gday
still got it mate
having a 402 ci built atm:D

Good stuff......:D

[RedVYIISS]

This is funny!

"the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable"

"What happened to that VT SS that you had that used to run in the 10's ???"

l"ol...no, 265rwkw and a 13sec timeslip is awesum" (someone must have stolen the other 150 kW ???)

"having a 402 ci built atm"

"A 10.9 second Excel is awesome"

Jona, You're entertaining and you're an excitable young boy. I've been in a car that was told to not come back (ran <11), I've even run my car down the strip! (I doubt you really have!, but hey, I'm sure you will one day).

Dont let your enthusiasm get infront of the facts. Have YOU ever been in a car that will run <11? I'll admit I've NEVER been in a N/A LS1 that will run <11, however I've seen a few that 'with a bit of tweaking' would. As I said, It'd turn them from acceptable high po streeters to pigs. Drewbites, love your car but are you game to let my Grandma drive you to the shops in it? I'll provide the Granny! (I'm written intio her will)

[Gareth@Willall]

This is funny!

"the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable"

"What happened to that VT SS that you had that used to run in the 10's ???"

l"ol...no, 265rwkw and a 13sec timeslip is awesum" (someone must have stolen the other 150 kW ???)

"having a 402 ci built atm"

"A 10.9 second Excel is awesome"

Jona, You're entertaining and you're an excitable young boy. I've been in a car that was told to not come back (ran <11), I've even run my car down the strip! (I doubt you really have!, but hey, I'm sure you will one day).

Dont let your enthusiasm get infront of the facts. Have YOU ever been in a car that will run <11? I'll admit I've NEVER been in a N/A LS1 that will run <11, however I've seen a few that 'with a bit of tweaking' would. As I said, It'd turn them from acceptable high po streeters to pigs. Drewbites, love your car but are you game to let my Grandma drive you to the shops in it? I'll provide the Granny! (I'm written intio her will)

He has a VTSS which has run 10.98 with the prev owner.

[team illucid]

Drewbites, love your car but are you game to let my Grandma drive you to the shops in it? I'll provide the Granny! (I'm written intio her will)

Actually Drew's car is scarily streetable ... my old L34 (11.8 down the 1/4) was what you would call not streetable ... that is the beauty of these LS1's you can get great power and be able to drive the bugger without bunny hopping into the rear of the car in front of you :)

[jona]

This is funny!

"the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable"

"What happened to that VT SS that you had that used to run in the 10's ???"

l"ol...no, 265rwkw and a 13sec timeslip is awesum" (someone must have stolen the other 150 kW ???)

"having a 402 ci built atm"

"A 10.9 second Excel is awesome"

Jona, You're entertaining and you're an excitable young boy. I've been in a car that was told to not come back (ran <11), I've even run my car down the strip! (I doubt you really have!, but hey, I'm sure you will one day).

Dont let your enthusiasm get infront of the facts. Have YOU ever been in a car that will run <11? I'll admit I've NEVER been in a N/A LS1 that will run <11, however I've seen a few that 'with a bit of tweaking' would. As I said, It'd turn them from acceptable high po streeters to pigs. Drewbites, love your car but are you game to let my Grandma drive you to the shops in it? I'll provide the Granny! (I'm written intio her will)


firstly the "265rwkw and 13sec slip" was a cheap shot at tone u fool.....just as he was taking the piss with the 10 sec excel....take a joke
secondly i DO own Brettss old car which ran consistant 11.0x and even did a 10.97@125. your rite tho, ive only owned the thing for 6mnths so what would i know about how streetable a low11sec/high 10sec car is:bash:
u have "never been in a n/a ls1 that will run sub 11s" hey, well what the hell are u basing your facts on then?

[COOKIE!]

This is funny!

"the pervious owner of my car ran a 10.9@125 ........and my nanna could drive it...its that streetable"

"What happened to that VT SS that you had that used to run in the 10's ???"

l"ol...no, 265rwkw and a 13sec timeslip is awesum" (someone must have stolen the other 150 kW ???)

"having a 402 ci built atm"

"A 10.9 second Excel is awesome"

Jona, You're entertaining and you're an excitable young boy. I've been in a car that was told to not come back (ran <11), I've even run my car down the strip! (I doubt you really have!, but hey, I'm sure you will one day).

Dont let your enthusiasm get infront of the facts. Have YOU ever been in a car that will run <11? I'll admit I've NEVER been in a N/A LS1 that will run <11, however I've seen a few that 'with a bit of tweaking' would. As I said, It'd turn them from acceptable high po streeters to pigs. Drewbites, love your car but are you game to let my Grandma drive you to the shops in it? I'll provide the Granny! (I'm written intio her will)


Mate its simple if you want to make, talk about what you know about and shut up about thigs that you know NOTHING about....

There is a wealth of info on here and talking crap and bagging members that have been here since the cows came home isnt a good start.

[Uncle Tone]

firstly the "265rwkw and 13sec slip" was a cheap shot at tone u fool.....

oooooh...you nasty fella.....:D

[RedVYIISS]

My appologies, your 'jokes' made it sound like you were full of BS, there's a few who've preceded you that dont mind stretching the truth.

I dont know you, and I dont know who Brett is.

"firstly the "265rwkw and 13sec slip" was a cheap shot at tone u fool.....just as he was taking the piss with the 10 sec excel....take a joke

True, the 265 kW should have rung a bell (it didn't), your personal details stating that you own an Excel didn't help.

I guess each persons idea of what is a streetable car are different (I've been in a < 11 sec LS1, but it wasn't N/A). I've been 'around' (at WSID) some very quick N/A LS1's, their owners drive them on the street but I wouldn't consider them street friendly. Streetable/street friendly, I don't know what the definition is however I do >800 km each week in my car and maybe my definition of streetable is different to others.

If I wanted jokes I'd go to a joke forum. I come here because I'm looking for something different. Enough from me, a fool I'll remain.

[KeenGolfer]

RedVYIISS, if you're ever in Canberra give us a holler and I'll take you for a spin and show you how streetable they can be. Yes, I reckon granny could drive it. If she could drive a stock one to start with that is.

[Oztrack Tuning]

I agree with Tuna that a good size Turbo is also a great way to run a 10s pass. Possibly the easiest way.

My list was just one way to do it. It is the path i might head. Its not cheap but i think it can be consistent at near 11.0 with the right electronic goodies controlling the NOS.

The Turbo way would be
Ls1 A4
Stall converter $1500
GenT or similar $14000 all up - plus exhaust??
Suspension work $1000
Tyres -slicks $1800 ?
Roll Cage $2000 ?
Firesuit $600
Battery Isolator etc $200
Harness $350

This will still add up to over $20000 spent. But this setup will be faster - unless a built engine is matched to a bigger shot of NOS.

Both cars probably will get beyond the stock diff type arrangement - that could cost $12000 or so to upgrade.

If the goal is to run a 10s pass - probably cheaper to build a dragster.

Especially when it seems all ANDRA sub11.0s cars will be illegal on the street now anyway - 6 point cage rule.

[RedVYIISS]

Drewbytes,

I'll take you up on that. It'll be a couple of months, but you might be interested in taking mine for a drive at that stage. My Scotish ancestors would be horrified at what you've spent, mine wont be as impressive but you'll appreciate the frugality! ;)

[markone2]

Just thinking about it a VU ute from WA ran 11.2's N/A, was a few years ago now, with a 383, 232 cam, headwork ect and is now daily driven, i cant see why a 402-408 cube stroker with a really nice set of heads and similar cam, maybe mid 230's@50, cant run a 10.9 and still be not bad to drive daily and last more than 3000km's? :D

It's black..... N/A... built by Power Torque ......*Maloo X* .....everyday driver

[Delco]

Just thinking about it a VU ute from WA ran 11.2's N/A, was a few years ago now, with a 383, 232 cam, headwork ect and is now daily driven, i cant see why a 402-408 cube stroker with a really nice set of heads and similar cam, maybe mid 230's@50, cant run a 10.9 and still be not bad to drive daily and last more than 3000km's? Didn't VXSS run high tens with the 427 daily driven? Unless of course, these aren't considered LS1's anymore?

Of course it wont be cheap! :D

That was kims ute here in WA , howquick now owns it and it is the everyday work ute , not sure that the cam was that big in it though. I believe it is still the original combo that John built about 3 years ago for the car and still going strong.

[SLE355]

That was kims ute here in WA , howquick now owns it and it is the everyday work ute , not sure that the cam was that big in it though. I believe it is still the original combo that John built about 3 years ago for the car and still going strong.

Yeah, i knew whos car it was just didnt want to start a shit fight :D

From memory i thought the cam was a 232 but i could be wrong, was quite awhile ago now. Sounds like there's another one in QLD too, maybe Mark could give us the specs on it.

[JezzaB]

oooooh...you nasty fella.....:D

Sheez Tone, the heat is on. Im keeping my mouth SHUT!

[Oztrack Tuning]

Stroker Path to sub11s.

How much is it - same amount of money or more than a GenT. But will be a fuel chewing car on the road compared to a Turbo or a NOS 345 car. But should be easiest to be consistent in when used for Bracket meets.

[maloo x]

To answer the original thread, a street driven n/a car doing 10 sec is possible and achiveable with the right tune and shop (thanks Power Torque):D .Although my car with a decent stroker(434cui) just missed the 10 sec bracket, a little more track time would result in a 10 sec pass. The car to date has done a high trap speed of 123.13mph good engough for 10.The driveability is not an issue as i have done 12000 kms with no drama, driving thru indy for 2.5 hours to go 15 kms with ease and has also done a 500km trip with the ls1 crew with no problems and yes it is a daily driver.