Wheelspin city...

[chris_vysv8]

OK so this is a fairly stupid neophyte question, but wheelspin seems to be such a common "problem" :D for people on this forum, I thought I'd ask anyway :lol: I was gonna post this in the technical forum but it ain't all that technical.

Everyone I read says their car will spin the wheels easy... ok so, the question is, should a stock VY (series 1) A4 be able to smoke the tyres from a standing start? I can't seem to get mine to do it, even with power shift on and traction off. The sales rep seemed to think it was my driving style and that it should be able to do it easily. I don't really know if there is anything different I can do other than plunging the pedal straight to the floor??? :D I'm beginning to think there might be something wrong with the car... or is it just me? It's got the OEM tyres on it too. Can't even get a little squirm out of it, let alone clouds of smoke (not that I go around trying all day).

And yes, I'm talking about stepping on the rightmost pedal, not that left one :whip:

[OLS108]

Before any mods mine used to be able to spin them a little before taking off, But its the anti abuse mode kicking in again:sleep: , after edit and gears mine in the right/wrong condions will spin them on the spot. not that i try to ;)

[JamesL]

Try adding some oil (on a private road)

:burnout:

[HSVREDSLED]

OK so this is a fairly stupid neophyte question, but wheelspin seems to be such a common "problem" :D for people on this forum, I thought I'd ask anyway :lol: I was gonna post this in the technical forum but it ain't all that technical.

Everyone I read says their car will spin the wheels easy... ok so, the question is, should a stock VY (series 1) A4 be able to smoke the tyres from a standing start? I can't seem to get mine to do it, even with power shift on and traction off. The sales rep seemed to think it was my driving style and that it should be able to do it easily. I don't really know if there is anything different I can do other than plunging the pedal straight to the floor??? :D I'm beginning to think there might be something wrong with the car... or is it just me? It's got the OEM tyres on it too. Can't even get a little squirm out of it, let alone clouds of smoke (not that I go around trying all day).

And yes, I'm talking about stepping on the rightmost pedal, not that left one :whip:

Hi there....

I asked this same question about two years ago. For a bog stock A4, the answer is, generally....no it wont spin. (Using the plant the right foot method) or if it does, it will be minimal.

Traction control off, load up on the accelerator and on the brake and it will, but not recommended. (However highly recommended in the burn out area at the drags!!)

Holden has spent a stack of money in Research and Development to get to the stage of sending 200rwkw through a drive train and having it hold traction. This is good for Ma and Pa Kettle, but maybe not others.

Holden achieve this "wonder" by "anti abuse modes". An edit will free things up. Diff gears will help too.

Dont worry, you car is not a dog, it is just shackled by GMH.

See a forum sponsor....My bet is you may soon be reviewing some tyre threads.

:burnout: :burnout: :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:

[VY2 LS1]

My VY2 A4 spins easily off the line. No holding the brake on. Mine's still a 3.07 diff and is bog stock SV8. It has 68,000km on the clock. Go to Holden and get a PCM update "for performance improvement for VY2 A4" code no: 92171238 or their later version.

Very little can keep up with me at the lights.

Kept up easily with a Nissan Z350 yesterday who was trying real hard in his manual. I have previously knocked off a 260kw VX Clubbie till we slowed at 80Km.

[Tez82]

Mate go to PT they will get you wheel spinning :P... When I just had the edit it would wheel spin a bit, but with 3.9's hehehe I get wheel spin on the highway when I WOT it at 100km/h :p Hopefully a stally will fix this problem for me, but I have come close to spinning out from 1st to 2nd gear change on the street.... but Its a problem I am not to worried about :p only thing is that I wish I had Traction Control cause it would make it easier for others to drive the car in the wet :)

[Angelo_XLR8]

youll light in reverse off the line no brake required lol
the ol vxss a4 had no troubles doin that

holdens anti hoon software is pretty untrickable without and edit.

[BIGDAO]

My VY2 A4 spins easily off the line. No holding the brake on. Mine's still a 3.07 diff and is bog stock SV8. It has 68,000km on the clock. Go to Holden and get a PCM update "for performance improvement for VY2 A4" code no: 92171238 or their later version.

Could you elaborate on this 'PCM update' a little for me please? Available for a VZ?

[Capt.LS2]

Try adding some oil (on a private road)

:burnout:

:rofl: Years ago a mate of mine poured brake fluid on the road for a burn out and then wondered why his car ( and the surrounding cars ) had paint peeling off them soon after :doh: :shiner: :kapow:

[VTSSDUDE]

My mate in his VT SS 5.7Litre when he first got it while it was still stock. He could light the back tyres up something fearful.

[OLS108]

Kept up easily with a Nissan Z350 yesterday who was trying real hard in his manual. I have previously knocked off a 260kw VX Clubbie till we slowed at 80Km.
350Z ??? while those things Corner Quite Nice , At the track they are Lucky to Run a Mid 14;)
Most Stock LS1's should dispatch them with ease:whip:

btw VX clubbies had 255kw

[highlander_69r]

vy 1 with the A4 , well the 3.07s not help you either but get an edit and its better , quite happly breaks out 1 to 2 although sometimes a bit more then id like

[highlander_69r]

My VY2 A4 spins easily off the line. No holding the brake on. Mine's still a 3.07 diff and is bog stock SV8. It has 68,000km on the clock. Go to Holden and get a PCM update "for performance improvement for VY2 A4" code no: 92171238 or their later version.

Very little can keep up with me at the lights.

Kept up easily with a Nissan Z350 yesterday who was trying real hard in his manual. I have previously knocked off a 260kw VX Clubbie till we slowed at 80Km.


untill you meet up to a car with an edit that is :bash: :spew:

[Dover]

Dont worry mate, iv got a vy2 ss ute with a pt dyno sheet saying 211rwkw and another sheet from hi torque in shoot out saying 309rwhp aprox 228rwkw, and i have 346 diff gears in a auto and it struggles to spin em without the brakes. (could have somethind ta do with the 400 od kg in the back). And unless im in a dead stright line it just single spins anyways, pos holden.
But the edit from pt made a huge difference its base was 174 rwkw, can catch me out when empty.
Ben

[SV8VY]

untill you meet up to a car with an edit that is :bash: :spew:
Yeah Im glad you said it.I didnt want to hurt his feelings:lol:

[Holden Nut]

untill you meet up to a car with an edit that is :bash: :spew:
There's no shame in losing to a fellow LS1...350z's and certain other cars are a different story though:lol:

[chris_vysv8]

Well this has certainly yielded some interesting discussion. :D Nothing like a good old brawny light-up-those-tyres V8 to get the blood flowing. Always makes me think of Home Improvement with Tim's favourite line... "MORE POWER!". Sounds like I may have nothing to worry about until I get my mailorder edit tomorrow :P Gonna get a big ol' exhaust upgrade as well eventually, which sounds like it might change things a bit.

To be honest I have found the car to be quite tame in stock form... I was scared sh*tless when I first took it for a test drive (being my first V8) but I've found it to be no more scary than my previous car... Astra Turbo hatch. The Astra had full ESP which the SV8 lacks but I must say the Astra being FWD took a lot more finesse to launch hard without smoking the tyres, traction control or not.

[throttlehappy]

Try adding some oil (on a private road)

:burnout:

:rofl: oh my god, i never need oil
my car spins on a 20c peice with the least of effort and mines a V6!
i understand with newer cars they have the anti abuse feature but ive seen cars with this feature light them up quite easily :)
geez its great being able to bake a tyre :astavista:

[Angelo_XLR8]

:rofl: oh my god, i never need oil
my car spins on a 20c peice with the least of effort and mines a V6!
i understand with newer cars they have the anti abuse feature but ive seen cars with this feature light them up quite easily :)
geez its great being able to bake a tyre :astavista:


no-one ever "needs" oil lol

[VY2 LS1]

Could you elaborate on this 'PCM update' a little for me please? Available for a VZ?


Available for a VZ? - I dont know, but I suspect not. The VZ has the more complex pcm and electronic throttle. Ask Holden guys if there is a similar upgrade. My understanding is it tightened up the shifts.

BTW SV8VY, Highlander Holden Nut et al, I am looking forward to someone who can lead me in a take-off. It just hasn't happened yet. When it happens as it no doubt will as you all have noted, it will inspire me to the stage of upgrading & full edit. I see that as a positive.

[SV8VY]

BTW SV8VY, Highlander Holden Nut et al, I am looking forward to someone who can lead me in a take-off. It just hasn't happened yet. When it happens as it no doubt will as you all have noted, it will inspire me to the stage of upgrading & full edit. I see that as a positive.Its a shame you cant come to Sydney.We have a great drag strip here and which many of the members enjoy.
Mine is only a 13 second flat car but looks standard and does some damage on the street.Many of the boys here do 11s and 12s and are full street cars.
The diference if you havent seen it is at the end of the quarter mile your standard one will be about 10-14 car lengths behind mine.
As mine is an auto and shifts very quickly with 530 nm at the lights (3.91 diff) I will be 2 car lenghs ahead before you blink.
Helps to practice at WSID and also have a 0.00 reaction time :rofl:

[highlander_69r]

has the car been to willowbank yet surely there you will get a true measure of the cars performance and a timeslip to match, and its off the street , drop us a pm ill head out and have a bit off fun :)

[VY2 LS1]

Its a shame you cant come to Sydney.We have a great drag strip here and which many of the members enjoy.
Mine is only a 13 second flat car but looks standard and does some damage on the street.Many of the boys here do 11s and 12s and are full street cars.
The diference if you havent seen it is at the end of the quarter mile your standard one will be about 10-14 car lengths behind mine.
As mine is an auto and shifts very quickly with 530 nm at the lights (3.91 diff) I will be 2 car lenghs ahead before you blink.
Helps to practice at WSID and also have a 0.00 reaction time :rofl:

I see you point. Your car must be "super fun" (as my daughter 15 year old would say) to drive.
There does seem to be a real good LS1 community in Sydney. I wish there was the same kind of easy fraternity here in Adelaide where i could get in touch with other like minded as there seems to be in Sydney and get the benefit of talking to people like yourself.
For example all the diff gear byilders take one look at me and (47 years old) & say get 3.46 diff gears only. However the whole LS1 forum says I will be manifestly dissapointed if I do go 3.46, that I will be back for 3.73 or indeed 3.91as you say "before I can blink".
I was told there isn't much difference between 3.46 and 3.73 as between 3.07 & 3.46. Numerically, 3.73/3.46=1.078 & 3.46/3.07=1.127 so this seems to be correct. But the Forum suggest the SOP story may be different ie that there is a real appreciable difference between 3.73 & 3.46 and that the 3.46 upgrade is a disappointment.

[markone2]

I see you point. Your car must be "super fun" (as my daughter 15 year old would say) to drive.
There does seem to be a real good LS1 community in Sydney. I wish there was the same kind of easy fraternity here in Adelaide where i could get in touch with other like minded as there seems to be in Sydney and get the benefit of talking to people like yourself.
For example all the diff gear byilders take one look at me and (47 years old) & say get 3.46 diff gears only. However the whole LS1 forum says I will be manifestly dissapointed if I do go 3.46, that I will be back for 3.73 or indeed 3.91as you say "before I can blink".
I was told there isn't much difference between 3.46 and 3.73 as between 3.07 & 3.46. Numerically, 3.73/3.46=1.078 & 3.46/3.07=1.127 so this seems to be correct. But the Forum suggest the SOP story may be different ie that there is a real appreciable difference between 3.73 & 3.46 and that the 3.46 upgrade is a disappointment.






1/ Diff shops are presently fill to over-following with 3.46 diff gears...all eyes will be on your wallet............stand yer ground and go the 3.9's
2/ Drop in a nice street friendly 2800 high stall
3/ maless tune
4/ have Pacemaker handy when you launch for the 1st time....
5/ Like a fine well matured wine 47 http://www.photothingo.com/users/1006/20060107140108.bravo.gifis an outstanding year to be launching an SV8 into 12 second territory…..imho: and is certainly the common donominator around this neck of the woods :dance:

[Oztrack Tuning]

Mine didnt spin when i first got it - with 3.07s - unless i stalled it up (which sends it into negative camber) and it would spin the inside edges alot.

It did do a little 1-2 chirp and was dangerous in the wet.

Put a Mail Order Tune in it and it would spin off the line with 3.07s and chirp harder and was even more dangerous 1-2 in the wet.

Then with 3.73s and mafless - it would spin off the line at WOT - but not at the strip. 1-2 was lethal.

With cam made things more extreme - still didnt spin off the line at the strip though if we used drag radials.

Stall converter - instant 6000rpm in 1st on the street from the start on good street tyres (that have done 1.879 at the strip at 1750kg race weight) on the street with stall in 2nd it will just stay stuck. At part throttle changes are much smoother. Now suprizingly its less likely to spin on the street, because i know what it takes to do it and the stall converter makes it more progressive - its 1000% safer in the wet......has done 50% throttle run at the strip of 13.4/102 with a 1.91 60 footer. It could do that in the wet apart from the start and have no issue at the 1-2 change at all.

More power doesnt have to mean less traction - having a soft pop up style front end helps ie 90-10s and good rear shocks that arent too hard with all the right bushes to prevent axle tramp.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Lower gears 3.73, 3.91s, 4.11s in an A4 make 2nd like a street use 1st gear.
eg Mine can launch in 2nd and do low1.9s 60 footers and 0-100k in under 5.0s. But then wind out to over 125kph and thats with a 3600 stall and 3.73 - this effect would be better with 3.91 or 4.11.

2nd gear will be the gear you pull out in traffic in and use most of the time - 1st gear will be for cannon like launches at the strip.

[VY2 LS1]

Thanks for the support & info fellas.

[chops]

VY2 LS1, drop me a pm some time.
I can show you what my gears are like.

[Martin_D]

OK so this is a fairly stupid neophyte question, but wheelspin seems to be such a common "problem" :D for people on this forum

There have been many posts over the years of dead stock cars equipped with only a simple tune that will roll on in top gear at 100km/h and turn into sideways tyre smoking animals doing Victor Bray style burnouts with no more than a sneeze on the throttle pedal. I love those threads dearly :headbang:

We must be doing something wrong here in SA, because other than a bit of a tyre scuffle into 1-2 on an auto and some chirpage off the mark, we cant get the massive roll on thing to happen without some actual real modifications :deal:

[Gareth@Willall]

I see you point. Your car must be "super fun" (as my daughter 15 year old would say) to drive.
There does seem to be a real good LS1 community in Sydney. I wish there was the same kind of easy fraternity here in Adelaide where i could get in touch with other like minded as there seems to be in Sydney and get the benefit of talking to people like yourself.
For example all the diff gear byilders take one look at me and (47 years old) & say get 3.46 diff gears only. However the whole LS1 forum says I will be manifestly dissapointed if I do go 3.46, that I will be back for 3.73 or indeed 3.91as you say "before I can blink".
I was told there isn't much difference between 3.46 and 3.73 as between 3.07 & 3.46. Numerically, 3.73/3.46=1.078 & 3.46/3.07=1.127 so this seems to be correct. But the Forum suggest the SOP story may be different ie that there is a real appreciable difference between 3.73 & 3.46 and that the 3.46 upgrade is a disappointment.

Plenty of people to talk to in Adelaide :wave:

Drop me a PM and i'll try and help you out :)

[SS346]

I remember when the series II vt came out, they used to chirp for the first 3 or so metres, it was very rare to find one that would chirp into second too.

[Nursing_Mother]

God damm mine smokes off the line through 1st and 2nd and its an auto and dead stock(clamshell and all)

[Martin_D]

Thats with 4.11s, converter, open wheeler, tonner rear end, and nitrous......good job :)
Oh yeah on commercial 215 tyres as well :burnout: :lol:

[pagey]

God damm mine smokes off the line through 1st and 2nd and its an auto and dead stock(clamshell and all)

Stock eh?

Smthn sounds FISHY to me.:6bow:

[RedVYIISS]

Plenty of people talk in Adelaide :wave:















:rofl:


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[Nursing_Mother]

Stock eh?

Smthn sounds FISHY to me.:6bow:

Pagey i dare not try and bring you undone,your 12.2 ET from a full built combo is indeed a force i dont wish to come up against...

[Gareth@Willall]

:rofl:


:hide:

Thats not my quote :lol: :flip3:

Darn Keyboard Ninja's :karate:

[Martin_D]

:rofl:
:hide:

I hear they still use sign language on the Central Coast, makes their favoured brother/sister wedding ceremonies difficult at best :banana:

[RedVYIISS]

Thats not my quote :lol: :flip3:

Darn Keyboard Ninja's :karate:


If only my car was as quick as my keyboard......:karate:





I hear they still use sign language on the Central Coast, makes the brother/sister wedding ceremonies difficult at best

Ahh young Tuna, I see you understood my sign language:flip2:

[pagey]

Pagey i dare not try and bring you undone,your 12.2 ET from a full built combo is indeed a force i dont wish to come up against...

yer.. you got me there.. full built.. gotta luv that trailored action! Even got the full built tow bar, tv,gps, amps etc.. she is a rocket...hahaha.
At least I dont get on here dribbling shit about my stock combo - FFS... you give Tuna a bad name.

Careful that glass house don't break all over you there mate...

full built combo... knob jockey

[Gareth@Willall]

If only my car was as quick as my keyboard......:karate:


Thankfully mine is lol.

[Martin_D]

At least I dont get on here dribbling shit about my stock combo - FFS... you give Tuan a bad name

Great, now ive got new competition, Tuan from Xing Dong Tuning.....:whip:

[pagey]

Great, now ive got new competition, Tuan from Xing Dong Tuning.....:whip:


Ur a quick bugga..

[Gareth@Willall]

Ur a quick bugga..

His car is fast just like his keyboard lol. (refer to above comments for reference ;) )

[Nursing_Mother]

yer.. you got me there.. full built.. gotta luv that trailored action! Even got the full built tow bar, tv,gps, amps etc.. she is a rocket...hahaha.
At least I dont get on here dribbling shit about my stock combo - FFS... you give Tuna a bad name.

Careful that glass house don't break all over you there mate...

full built combo... knob jockey

My engine is dead stock and i dont think diff gears changes that,i hardly used Nitrous either when i spun-em-up for you and little_lord when youy guys were honeymooning here a while back and you nearly choked to death....and i dont mean choked on little_lords chapstick either

[pagey]

My engine is dead stock and i dont think diff gears changes that,i hardly used Nitrous either when i spun-em-up for you and little_lord when youy guys were honeymooning here a while back and you nearly choked to death....and i dont mean choked on little_lords chapstick either


i hardly used the nitrous.. honest officer http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/1026/jerkit.gif :clown: :rofl:

I might whack a Turbo on too then.. stock as a rock.. except for.......

[JamesL]

no-one ever "needs" oil lol


Drill a coupe of holes up on top of the wheel tub, get some tubing that goes back to a small container under the drivers seat, a small hand squeeze style pump and whenever you feel like you need more smoke there you go..
No need to get out of car. Prob best to use diesel though as when you get oil on ya bumper bar its not easy to get off.
I have never done this and never will but have been told its how some people do it.:werd:

[chris_vysv8]

Well I fitted my replacement PCM for Chipmaster today so time for a quick report... as far as wheelspin is concerned, PROBLEM SOLVED!!! :nyuk: Turn off traction control, turn on power shift... and even a small blip on the throttle will chirp the tyres. Larger (half) throttle application result in a second or so of tyre turning before she gets going. Haven't tried taking off at WOT because of peak hour traffic :rolleyes: Taking it for a proper spin later...:evil:

[VY2 LS1]

Well done. let the fun begin.

[highlander_69r]

so when r u hittin the track ill be heaps interested to see it wheel spin all the time ill even bring the camera

[OLS108]

so when r u hittin the track ill be heaps interested to see it wheel spin all the time ill even bring the camera
Hey Michael why dont you and bec leave the camera of yours in the bedroom eh.:whip:

[chris_vysv8]

so when r u hittin the track ill be heaps interested to see it wheel spin all the time ill even bring the camera
Sent you a PM just now highlander... :P Have to admit though changing the PCM around wasn't as easy as I thought it would be... took me a good 90 minutes (and yes I did have the right tools). That was 80 minutes to take out the old one, 10 minutes to put it back together (not so bad). That's longer than it used to take me to rip out my old VT's dash down to the firewall (could do it in about an hour after the 3rd time)