i am so over this crap..

[zizou]

here is my story,i have been taking my car in december for the usual wheel balance and check up,no worries ,i ended up buying 4 new tyres,has YOU DO ..
now i have been back 3 time to the tyreshop,and 3 times to Holden,because of vibration around the 100kms mark.
Now everytime the balance is way off,they keep doing the balancing ,and within a day or 2,its back to the usual vibration,,,i am so sick of it.
i have told the dealer that on thursday i want the thing sorted out ,in wich they say they will for sure take the car for a test drive again.
now my problem is that i dont want them to do ANOTHER wheel balance "and lets see what happened ".what should i do:cussing: :cussing: .
what question should i be asking,i am so f@#@%#g over this.what should i ask them to do
.ps.the same thing happened in april when i got a wheel balance done..something is wrong...

[macca33]

I'd try someone else. If they haven't fixed it after five-six attempts, it's time to find someone who can sort the problem out.

Regards,

Macca

[Glenn@Autowerks]

Just a few simple questions...

Are the tyres the same brand and size you had ?

Was it a well known tyre establishment that fitted them ?

Did you witness the balancing ?

[zizou]

the problem is that ,its already been 2 places, plus another 2 in april,m8 everytime they see me ,its like i m the driver from hell,well not quiet ,"they have been all quiet helpfull

[zizou]

Just a few simple questions...

Are the tyres the same brand and size you had ?

Was it a well known tyre establishment that fitted them ?

Did you witness the balancing ?
the tyres are all the same brand ,bought on the same day,kuhmo,i mean not a bad brand.. and no i havent witness all 5 wheel balancing ... to me it sounds like someting else:flamin:

[Glenn@Autowerks]

the tyres are all the same brand ,bought on the same day,kuhmo,i mean not a bad brand.. and no i havent witness all 5 wheel balancing ... to me it sounds like someting else:flamin:

Sorry, I think you missed the points in my questions

[zizou]

sorry,well the shop is i think a reputable place :tyrezone.
and yes they are the same size as the previous one.and no i didnt see the first balancing done the first time around.
i am sorry again if i was explicit enough... i m just a frog who love his ls1:p :p :thumbsup: :thumbsup:.
ps: not the same brand ,went from falken to kuhmo..same size..

[Yas786]

I know this may sound "way out there" since the tyres are new, but its a possibility since it happened to me.

I also had a vibration at highway speeds recently, took it to the tyre shop wanting a wheel balance, but found the tyre had a bubble in it. Had to replace the tyre. The bubble was caused by myself over-inflating the tyre.

Check it out by determining which side of the car the vibration is coming from, then check the tyre/s on that side. You'll generally know if its front or back by the steering wheel.

Good luck.

Yas

[utty]

I feel your pain! My vy2 clubby has exactly the same problem, had 8 balances all up and within a day the vibration was back. I actually watched the tyres getting balanced on one ocassion and they were so out of shape it wasn't funny. What is also strange is that both left side wheels have twice as many weights on them as the right.

I did read a post earlier this week that mentioned getting a on-car wheel balance. Does anyone know of a place that will do this in the Brisbane area.

If all fails back to HSV it goes(not again)

[zizou]

omg 8 times!! iREALLY dont want to go through this.the difference with you its that i went trough the same thing previously with a all different set of tyre,so to me its more than just bad tyres or bad balancing..i just dont know what to do...:doh:

[utty]

Same deal, had about 5,000 km left on the old S03's tyres when the problem started. I thought a new set of tyres would solve the problem, but it didn't.

HSV has had the car 4 times for a knock noise in the front left suspension but they say it happens in all the new HSV models(yeh right) I think this is where the problems lie. I will try to get an on-car balance before it goes back to HSV just so I know that I have covered all bases.

I have also replaced all the bushes with Nolathane to tighten the front up, but didn't prevent the noise or vibration.

[mmciau]

I know this may sound "way out there" since the tyres are new, but its a possibility since it happened to me.

I also had a vibration at highway speeds recently, took it to the tyre shop wanting a wheel balance, but found the tyre had a bubble in it. Had to replace the tyre. The bubble was caused by myself over-inflating the tyre.

Check it out by determining which side of the car the vibration is coming from, then check the tyre/s on that side. You'll generally know if its front or back by the steering wheel.

Good luck.

Yas

Yas786,
You say the tyre developed a bubble because of "over inflation". May I ask - What Tyre pressure were you running?

My experience has been that an under inflated tyre is more likely to develop "ply spread" because the inner liner of the tyre gets damaged from road object penetration and air can get into the ply and thus ply spread/bubble develops.

[Thumper]

here is my story,i have been taking my car in december for the usual wheel balance and check up,no worries ,i ended up buying 4 new tyres,has YOU DO ..
now i have been back 3 time to the tyreshop,and 3 times to Holden,because of vibration around the 100kms mark.
Now everytime the balance is way off,they keep doing the balancing ,and within a day or 2,its back to the usual vibration,,,i am so sick of it.
i have told the dealer that on thursday i want the thing sorted out ,in wich they say they will for sure take the car for a test drive again.
now my problem is that i dont want them to do ANOTHER wheel balance "and lets see what happened ".what should i do:cussing: :cussing: .
what question should i be asking,i am so f@#@%#g over this.what should i ask them to do
.ps.the same thing happened in april when i got a wheel balance done..something is wrong...
Get them off car balanced again, but this time observe them all yourself, in particular, check for rim/tyre runout as it spins, some balancing machines with guards now make this next to impossible, so the way to do it is check just as they lift the guard (you need to be quick). Because of this, most tyre jockeys are not aware of the runout problems. Understand that a balancer spins at a low speed, so at 100 kph, your tyre is doing about 750rpm, I guess the balancer would be half that, so if they get a balance at the lower speed, and there is runout, the wheel/tyre will be out of balance at 100kph for sure.

[JHamilton]

I've had a bad tire before on another car.....BFG's. They never could get the tire perfectly balance and as I drove the vibration would get worse. After my second attempt the tire shop changed the tire. No problems after that. Sounds to me like you have a bad one.

[Yas786]

Yas786,
You say the tyre developed a bubble because of "over inflation". May I ask - What Tyre pressure were you running?

My experience has been that an under inflated tyre is more likely to develop "ply spread" because the inner liner of the tyre gets damaged from road object penetration and air can get into the ply and thus ply spread/bubble develops.

Mate I couldnt tell you, went through one of those dodgy service stations with the pressure gauge not working. So to my detriment I just assumed its the right pressure. Bad I know.

Yas

[Avalanche]

Another thing to check out is when your wheels were first taken off, i have found on my ava as well as my triton,there was a fair bit of electrolosis between the steel hub & alloy wheel. On my triton the bfgs were of crap quality and i went to heasmans & they balanced them to perfection with off car then on car as well for the fronts. All was fine until i got a service and the wheels went on in a different position. Wobbled and vibrated like a pig. After years of pissing around i pulled the wheels off & there were some large bits of alloy wheel rusted to the hub in different spots. After gettin a grinder with a wire brush to all the hubs & backs of wheels the problems were gone. And on the triton it was vibrating so much i was about to leave it on the side of the expressway. i have had the same with the ava but not to the same extent as the triton. Just a wire brush will get rid of any rust or electrolosis. I am sure i read about it on here somewhere.

[CLUB_819]

Hey dude,
thats gotta suck, I feel 4 ya, this may be like way out of left field but if you could get the tyre place or an engineer or something to check the wheel hub to see that it's square to the wheel when it goes back on, also like the previous post you may have some crap in there like rust etc... that makes it run untrue to the wheel.

Hope ya figure it out

Cheers
Scott

[chillicatqld]

I had same problem with my new tyres. Took it back and one wheel was out 60gms, one out 50gms, one out 15gms and the last 10gms!!
Since rebalanced = no problem. Got it up to highway speed (or more!) and no problem there either anymore.
I would be making tyre place replace all four tyres as it sounds that tey may be a problem there even??

[OzJavelin]

Have you tried to borrow another set of rims/tyres (even if they are stocky 16"s or something) and run the car up to highway speeds on those to determine if the problem is rims/tyres or mechanical?
Has the car EVER run smoothly at highway speeds?
In all honesty most Commodores are pretty agricultural in the steering/suspension department and will not notice a slight out-of-balance, out-of-round tyre. They tend to just drive OK, so any significant vibration must be something pretty significant. Has the vehicle been checked for driveline vibrations?

During my university days I worked casually at a tyre store and spent a lot of time working with people trying to fix these soughts of issues but checking rims for buckles, balance .. checking tyres for out-of-round .. alignments (not me), checking uni's etc. Most these issues can be resolved easily, they just need to cover all the bases and not keep going over the same thing; eg. balance.

[pah]

Hi all,

Been there done that. My experience relates to the TYRE RUNOUT advice specified above. I bought what I thought were good tyres - a well know brand and made in Australia. After spending heaps on steering rack rebuilds and tie rod end replacement toi stop steering wheel shimmy, I decided I'd give up my Eddy the Expert self diagnosis and take the car to Proven Products in Guildford. It took them 10 minutes and cost me $10 for them to report that NONE of my tyres were round. It's easy to balance out-of-round tyres but that WON'T STOP VIBRATIONS on the road.

Proven Products advised me at the time (late 80's) to buy Yokahama or Michelin tyres if I want round ones. I bought a pair of Yokahamas for the front end and the problem diappeared. I wore out the duds on the back axle where they had no effect on the steering wheel.

I wrote to the Tyre Co involved documenting my case. They gave me a 50% discount on one of their new products. They were a vast improvement on the wobbly jobs I'd previously bought but not as good as Yokahamas. I gave up the Yokahamas because I was not happy with their longevity.

A classic sign of out-of-round tyres seems to be steering shimmy or vibration at around 80 - 100 km/h. Below that it's OK. Above that it seems to smooth out. I don't know why but that's my experience.

I've been told that rack & pinion steering and McPherson strut make a car very sensitive to tyre quality. The Commodore has both.




PAH

[XsPwr2W8]

I have this very same problem, a vibation and steering wheel wobble at 80-100ks. Tryed new tyers, 3 balances and a wheel alignment, still no luck. The wheels have never touched a gutter, they dont even have a mark on them and all the steering components have been checked. I'll just have to live with it I guess. :bawl:

[AussieTone]

I had this on mine when I took delivery. Couple of tantrums later it was sorted out. What they did to fix it was relocated where the tyre sat on the rim. Not a very good description I know, but they took the tyre off and then refitted it in a different position on the rim. Sort of adjusted the mark on the tyre with the corresponding mark on the mag if you know what I mean

[zizou]

that s sound like a very plausible reason,thanks for that and all the other posts guys.its going in tomorrow,on top of that ,they have to change the front door knob that popped out on monday,and the radio antenna that wont go down since yesterday.. this is the third knob to be changed in 8 month,i love my car ,but the workmanship is left to be desired.:hmmm: oh such is life.
ps: when i mention the guy ,with my luck, all i need now is piston to go slapping around,his reply now, was that all car after February 2003 are all fine,not to sure about that after reading all the thead in this forum...:driving:

[pah]

I have this very same problem, a vibation and steering wheel wobble at 80-100ks. Tryed new tyers, 3 balances and a wheel alignment, still no luck. The wheels have never touched a gutter, they dont even have a mark on them and all the steering components have been checked. I'll just have to live with it I guess. :bawl:

Hi XsPwr2W8,

When you changed your tyres, did you change to a brand that you KNOW are high quality? I've had trouble with a couple of Aussie brand tyres being out of round. If we have trouble building round tyres, I'd guess that some of the cheaper Korean or Chinese tyres might not be the roundest in the world. If your car did not vibrate with the original Bridgestone rubber but shimmies as soon as you hit 80 - 100 km/h after you fit a cheaper brand, it would be my guess that you've just bought a set of wobbly tyres. Last time I made this mistake, I dropped around to a reputable dealer (Bob Jane) and bought two good quality tyres for the front end. I kept the dogs for the back end duty at a later stage.

I changed to Dunlop (S3000A? - the ones fitted to XR Falc's I think) because I think the Bridgestones are too dear. I've had no wobble troubles with the Dunlops.

I hope this helps. You'll no doubt have to suss things out and see if my experience applies in your case.




PAH

[VX255]

Had similar problems with vibrations / wheel alignments - if it is only under braking - could be that the rotors are warped and need replacing or machining
VX255

[XsPwr2W8]

Hi XsPwr2W8,

When you changed your tyres, did you change to a brand that you KNOW are high quality? I've had trouble with a couple of Aussie brand tyres being out of round. If we have trouble building round tyres, I'd guess that some of the cheaper Korean or Chinese tyres might not be the roundest in the world. If your car did not vibrate with the original Bridgestone rubber but shimmies as soon as you hit 80 - 100 km/h after you fit a cheaper brand, it would be my guess that you've just bought a set of wobbly tyres. Last time I made this mistake, I dropped around to a reputable dealer (Bob Jane) and bought two good quality tyres for the front end. I kept the dogs for the back end duty at a later stage.

I changed to Dunlop (S3000A? - the ones fitted to XR Falc's I think) because I think the Bridgestones are too dear. I've had no wobble troubles with the Dunlops.

I hope this helps. You'll no doubt have to suss things out and see if my experience applies in your case.




PAH


Yes they were korean ones but the strange thing was that for a day the vibrations went away after fitting them, then a day later I could feel the wobble starting to develope through the steering wheel again untill two days later it was back to its old self again. I have checked the ballance weights and they all seem to be on the rims so I just dont know.:confused: But I had a good set of perellis on the front last time and it still did it.

[CarlFST60L]

I had this problem and it was as simple as the d!cks forgot to put the spacers backing in that line the wheel up with the hub! So simple, yet so hard to notice as they were all left off, and i had nfi about them in the first place...

[XsPwr2W8]

I had this problem and it was as simple as the d!cks forgot to put the spacers backing in that line the wheel up with the hub! So simple, yet so hard to notice as they were all left off, and i had nfi about them in the first place...

What spacers are these? I just took a wheel off and couldn't find any or maby thats the problem. Could you give me a better description of there location.
Thanks

[COSMOS]

yeah - been there done that...

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=43618&highlight=tyre+vibration+nuts

it drove me insane so i sold the car for a 7k loss on the lease. glad i got rid of it too. sounds like holden may have a problem on its hand doesnt it?

[V8BRUTE]

Have you thought about trying the brake rotors for balance too, since this vibration is around 100k's they are also spinning with a bit of inertia as well :confused:

Apart from that fitting a set of known good wheels and tyres off someone elses car for testing would be my best advice, eliminate the major parts in one go and see what happens ;)

[Lucifer]

Mate i feel your pain

I had my car into a tyre shop on the gold coast (Branigans Budget Tyres) for 2 new fronts and wheel alignment. When I was driving the car home the steering wheel was at 10 o'clock instead of straight. Took it staight back and they had another go........ this time it was at 1 o'clock:doh: Took it back again and the dude was scratching his head but gave it another go.....back to 10 o'clock:doh: . Guy said to come back in the morning when they had more time!!! WTF!!!

Went back the next day at 8.30 am and they say it will be 100% millimetre perfect in an hour. I came back at 1pm and as I walk towards the shop I see my car on the hoist. They say to me that the guy that does the setting on the wheel alignment machine is setting it up so it will be perfect. This dude had been there "all morning" trying to sort it out. Down came the car and everyone was standing around with stupid grins on their faces waiting for my return..........you guessed it still at around 11 o'clock. I pull up and without getting out of the car I give them the thumbs down and speed off.

As a post script to the story (that was last week). I took the car into my local bridgstone tyre dealer this morning and 45 minutes latter it was 100% perfect. They did the rear alighnment as well and the car is a pleasure to drive again. Its funny how a small thing like steering wheel position can really affect the enjoyment of driving.

[zizou]

well, i m taking the car back AGAIN to the tyre shop tomorrow ,the owner agreed to fit 4 brand new tyres ,fitted and balanced by him,with "so he says " a rep from kuhmo... why cause i took the car last week at holden ,they took the car for a test ,found the strong vibration at 90 kms as i told them,they then put some of there own tyres ,and it was gone.............now I HOPE it will fix it..:flamin:
ps : on a lighter note ,i think im gonna jump into the dark side, and get my ls1edit done ,power torque seems to be the deal in Brisbane ,just out of curiosity what price am i looking out.
then the v8 exhaust we should all have..
geeez i hate you guys:lol:

[SSASSC1]

ZIZOU - It may not be your tyres being the problem. It could actually be the rim its self. Could be a fault with the stud pattern. Try getting a balance done with the wheels still on the car.

Cheers

[pah]

well, i m taking the car back AGAIN to the tyre shop tomorrow ,the owner agreed to fit 4 brand new tyres ,fitted and balanced by him,with "so he says " a rep from kuhmo... why cause i took the car last week at holden ,they took the car for a test ,found the strong vibration at 90 kms as i told them,they then put some of there own tyres ,and it was gone:

Hi zizou,

I suspect you have the problem licked now. I'd acknowledge that wonky rims are possible but I'd say that wonky tyres are lots more probable. If the woblle arrived after you fitted new tyres, that's a reasonable sign, especially as Holden have removed the problem by changing to another set. Good luck with your new set whatever you buy.



PAH

[zizou]

well ,i got my new 4 tyres fitted today,after the kuhmo rep had a look at them.he found the tyres on 3 of them to have an overlap,to him so he says it was a bad bad batch.guys i took the beast for a ride after that ,and boy DID IT FEEL GOOD !!! no vibration,no steering to the left.......m8 it felt so fracking goood.............
ps .thanks to the boys at Capalaba Holden for sticking up for me.
and of course to ALL of you guys in this great forum of ours..
:dance: :dance:

[macca33]

Great result mate. Glad to see that your persistence paid off and that Kuhmo and the tyre shop backed up their product. :bravo:

Regards,

Macca

[turismo mica]

I know this may sound "way out there" since the tyres are new, but its a possibility since it happened to me.

I also had a vibration at highway speeds recently, took it to the tyre shop wanting a wheel balance, but found the tyre had a bubble in it. Had to replace the tyre. The bubble was caused by myself over-inflating the tyre.

Check it out by determining which side of the car the vibration is coming from, then check the tyre/s on that side. You'll generally know if its front or back by the steering wheel.

Good luck.

Yas


agree i had the same issue , went to dealer and 3 workshops for balance
no good same shake at 90 to 100k's

new tyres no problem.

[Cainer]

good to hear it all turned out wel.

happy driving :driving:

[zizou]

well ,the problem if i understantd it ,had an overlap in 3 of the 4 tyres,from within the inside of the tyres where the junction of the material is put together,it should be at exactly at the opposite on each side of them ,mine were not ..
bad batch apparently.. :eek:
wonder how many ppl who had the same batch just didnt care ,and are still driving now?

[zizou]

good to hear it all turned out wel.

happy driving :driving:
m8 ,its like having a brand new car in my hand,after all this ,i got the car the way it should be,fast mean,and lots of fun:dance: :dance:

[jaskel]

im having a simalar prob with the dunlops i have...anyone know the contact for Dunlop as i am not having much luck at my local tyre shop..

[clowe73]

I had a similar probelm and had the wheels balance on my old VT and on the new VY.

On the VT the problem was a buckled rim (You may need to make sure your rim isn't buckled).

Also make sure that the tyre place has ***calibrated*** their wheel balancer.

I took my VY back and the tyre place re-calibrated the wheel balance machine and re-did the balance. The result was perfect balance.

I know some people were saying they never hit a gutter, but I sure bet that you have hit potholes!!! These things can do a major amount of damage and in Sydney here they are pretty big sometimes (damage is more evident especially running low profile tyres).

[jaskel]

nah i can see the tyres on the balancer are out of roundness.....i need to contact the dunlop rep, anyone have their contact details

[pah]

im having a simalar prob with the dunlops i have...anyone know the contact for Dunlop as i am not having much luck at my local tyre shop..

Check this web site mate.

http://www.dunloptyres.com.au/fr_results.htm



PAH

[JamesL]

My car is lowered and the rear 1/2 shafts are not at 90degree with the car.. they are at a slight angle up.. if i fix this (by putting higher springs) then car will stop wobbling but funny thing is the steering wheel is whats shaking sometimes so hmm....

[Quen10]

Mate its a Holden. sell it.

[jaskel]

yeah thats coming from a KIA driver...hahaha yeah right! Oh and it is not even a HOLDEN part that is the problem...its a dunlop thing.

[Quen10]

your the one with the tyre problem not me...

[zizou]

Mate its a Holden. sell it.
and your contribution to this thread is........:nopity:

[XLR8 V8]

and your contribution to this thread is........:nopity:

... a temporary one :admin:

[jaskel]

quen, the forum you need is "the guy who drives a chicks car under 80kw" there is lots of mirages, lancers and astras on that site, im sure they are expecting you.