Murcott Performance Driving at Sandown?

[jneil]

Has anybody completed the Jim Murcott Performance Driving course at Sandown on Stock VYIISS 6M brakes?

I have done the Defensive Driving Level 1 & 2 and signed up for the Performance course in 2 weeks.

The letter said they recommend NEW front pads preferably of a race variety (Race Brakes or Hawke Brakes), high quality fluid and no more than 40% warn rears.

My query is:
Will my 42k, 18 month old VYII SS 6m be able to handle this course (as in not overheat at the 2nd corner!) with the standard brakes (in fairly good condition). Or should I just get the Formula Ferodo TS2000 pads all round, braided lines and DOT5.1 fluid before hand.

I don't want to go overboard just yet as I will probably need a bigger brake package if I decide to continue and do more circuit work. I am sure the pad, line and fluid upgrade would be a quite good/cheapish upgrade, but wanted to use the current pads up before getting newies.

Anyone got any Melbourne pricing on a set of TS2000's?

Cheers,

Jeff.

[Smitty]

Has anybody completed the Jim Murcott Performance Driving course at Sandown on Stock VYIISS 6M brakes?

I have done the Defensive Driving Level 1 & 2 and signed up for the Performance course in 2 weeks.
The letter said they recommend NEW front pads preferably of a race variety (Race Brakes or Hawke Brakes), high quality fluid and no more than 40% warn rears.

My query is:
Will my 42k, 18 month old VYII SS 6m be able to handle this course (as in not overheat at the 2nd corner!) with the standard brakes (in fairly good condition). Or should I just get the Formula Ferodo TS2000 pads all round, braided lines and DOT5.1 fluid before hand.

I don't want to go overboard just yet as I will probably need a bigger brake package if I decide to continue and do more circuit work. I am sure the pad, line and fluid upgrade would be a quite good/cheapish upgrade, but wanted to use the current pads up before getting newies.

Anyone got any Melbourne pricing on a set of TS2000's?

Cheers,

Jeff.

the stockies won't last the distance .........
As one who has done quite a few Hipo Drive days with Murcotts
I found that the stock rotor/ pad combo is crap for Sandown
....I even cracked a rotor:cussing:

The FF TS2000 pads will be fine ...I now have a set on mine
but with DBA xdrilled/slotted rotors!
That little combo was good for 75 laps last time out at Sandown
especially the bit at the end of the main straight:p

make sure you bed the FF pads in before hand and also
make sure you get a full flush/bleed done with the brake fluid

with the rears, 40% is too low. I found mine at 60% get very hot and
bothered (they also smoke a lot !)

a hint....
with the hipo drive days, make sure you do a cool-down lap
using minimal brakes (you circulate with your hazard lamps on)
before coming into the pits

and have fun..they are a great day out :driving:


hth

[jneil]

Thanks Smiity, I've read a few of your posts about it already, but wondered about the stock brakes not being up to the task.

Did you change the size of your rotors or just get DBA xdrilled/slotted rotors of the same as original size?

I'll probably just go TS2000's all round with a complete flush & bleed with some good brake fluid. I won't do it myself either, I'll get it done by people who know what they are doing so that I don't accidently stuff it up! :limpy:

[2 cylinders shy]

I did the same course, your going to luv it.
I only took my old VY S from memory i did a wet time of 1.45ish
let me know how you do.

whilst i was there a guy told me that he had no pads left at all and that hes rotors need to be replaced. puzzeld i said that i couldnt see anything wrong with his rotors. thats when he said that they were slotted:eek:

I reckon a new set of pads would be worthy insurance.

[dean]

Id recommend DBA slotted rotors & Racebrake pads (at least) & some good quality fresh brake fluid. Brake ducting will also help abit with brake fade.

[Smitty]

Thanks Smiity, I've read a few of your posts about it already, but wondered about the stock brakes not being up to the task.

Did you change the size of your rotors or just get DBA xdrilled/slotted rotors of the same as original size?

I'll probably just go TS2000's all round with a complete flush & bleed with some good brake fluid. I won't do it myself either, I'll get it done by people who know what they are doing so that I don't accidently stuff it up! :limpy:

mate
standard rotor size with the DBAs (did not have the $ for the bigger calipers)

the new pads all round with flush/bleed done by the pro's...sounds good to me



cheers

[jneil]

A little update.

I've had the TS2000's fitted all round, braided lines on the front and a complete flush and bleed with some Penrite DOT5 (something) fluid.

My rotors (and old pads) are in excellent and almost new condition after the 42k, so the bed in process was very minimal as the rotors are as smooth as already.

The difference so far is MASSIVE and for less than $500, a bloody good upgrade.

The pedal has a MUCH better feel, a much more solid feel, and the initial bite has improved greatly. I've also got a much more secure feel about braking from 100kph (or more). :dance:

Now it's back onto the Nankang NSII's, being a hardish compound, not being able to transfer the braking force down to the road.

I can only wonder what decent 343mm, 4 pot with sticky tyres would do. :headbang:

Jeff.

[JBonDSS]

they'll be fine, I did the offencive/Motorsport course with the murcott crew at sandown, vx ss 5,000km old :) std pads

DONT leave traction control on, as i set fire to the rear pads on one of the sessions :) & is was on 5 or 6 laps

the harsh compound we get a bit softer after a couple of laps, but after a few more lap you may find they loose grip or "go off" just back of the throttle & cruise around the track for a couple of laps, this will cool tyres, oil, brakes, driver ready for another attack

they are a great day

[Smitty]

...snip...

Now it's back onto the Nankang NSII's, being a hardish compound, not being able to transfer the braking force down to the road.

I can only wonder what decent 343mm, 4 pot with sticky tyres would do. :headbang:

Jeff.


brakes sound good....
don't worry about the tyres...the Sandown surface is quite coarse
and you will be glad for a 'hard' tyre...you can wear out a set of soft tyres
in 75 laps (like a couple of blokes did on the last day I did)

cheers

[Smitty]

..snip...
DONT leave traction control on, as i set fire to the rear pads on one of the sessions :) & is was on 5 or 6 laps



ummm...head scratch :hide:

my VX SS has traction control and thats got nothing to do with the
rear brakes (unlike the ABS)...I think

the TC controls the throttle, not the brakes
its the bloke with the right foot that can cook pads
and
yes... I set my STANDARD rear pads on fire
the first time at Sandown too....coz they got too hot!
(just like Cam McConville did at the last Holden drive day I attended)
next time out, I had a set of Ferodos on the back as well

cheers

[JBonDSS]

ummm...head scratch :hide:

my VX SS has traction control and thats got nothing to do with the
rear brakes (unlike the ABS)...I think

the TC controls the throttle, not the brakes
its the bloke with the right foot that can cook pads


The first stage is throttle second stage is actually grabbing the rear brakes

[jneil]

The first stage is throttle second stage is actually grabbing the rear brakes

Well there you go...never knew that! Is it the same from VXII onwards, as in my VYIISS?

Not an issue anyway as my start sequence AT ALL TIMES (yes, total wet included!) is:
Get In
Key In
Clutch In and select Netural
Start
Anytime other than rain:- Drivers Window Down
Trac Control Off
Anytime other than rain:- Sunroof Open
Anytime other than dull/dim:- Sunglass Holder Open, remove glasses, close, put them on
Cruise Control On
Drive Away! (unless I need to reverse out of garage or park etc.).

Should be an excellent day :bounce:

Didn't think it was 75 laps...that's a lot of laps...should pull out the PS2 or XBOX in the next day or two and get more familiar!

[Smitty]

The first stage is throttle second stage is actually grabbing the rear brakes

according to the Service Manual,, brake actuation to prevent wheelslip
only occurs when the vehicle is not braking or accelerating.

Quote:
"When the ABS/ETC control oontrol module senses spin from the drive wheels
due to too much engine torque for the road conditions, it enters traction control mode.
The ABS/ETC module monitors both front and rear wheel speeds through the wheel speed sensors.
If at any time during acceleration the ABS/ETC module detects drive wheel slip, it will request:
The PCM via the spark retard circuit retard the amount of spark advance.
The PCM to restrict auto downshifting.
The throttle relaxer control module to reduce the engine throttle opening
by a certain percentage to bring engine torque into a specified range.

.....
If at anytime during traction control mode, the brakes are manually applied
the brake switch signals the ABS/ETC module to stop brake intervention
and allow manual braking with throttle reduction and spark retard intervention
still occurring if necessary."


without quoting a number of other paragraphs, it goes onto to say-
the ABS/ETC module can also control wheel slip through applying the rear brakes.
and so......
I guess thats the case if you are drifting, not accelerating or braking.

learn sumfing everyday........:burnout:

now I know why they suggest pulling the ABS fuse


cheers

[Smitty]

...snip...Didn't think it was 75 laps...that's a lot of laps...should pull out the PS2 or XBOX in the next day or two and get more familiar!

I always aim to get at least 70 laps in on the day
...want my monies worth :woohoo:

the only time I haven't, was just b4 Easter 2004
...it rained and lap times were only 1.45s :errr:

in the wet.....
approaching the end of the main straight at 180ish
still getting wheel spin..is ummmm interesting :rolleyes:

[jneil]

I always aim to get at least 70 laps in on the day
...want my monies worth :woohoo:

the only time I haven't, was just b4 Easter 2004
...it rained and lap times were only 1.45s :errr:

in the wet.....
approaching the end of the main straight at 180ish
still getting wheel spin..is ummmm interesting :rolleyes:

Yeah! I'd aggree with you there...that'd be "ummmm interesting"! :eek:

No worries about the weather, well it will actually be a worry as it'll hit 30c apparently so many more cool down laps I think just to keep things under control.

Cheers,

Jeff.

[2 cylinders shy]

Yeah! I'd aggree with you there...that'd be "ummmm interesting"! :eek:

No worries about the weather, well it will actually be a worry as it'll hit 30c apparently so many more cool down laps I think just to keep things under control.

Cheers,

Jeff.

When are you going? Have you been already? Opinions? lap time?

[jneil]

When are you going? Have you been already? Opinions? lap time?

It is on Saturday, the 4th of March

I haven't done the Performance course before, but have done Level 1 and Level 2 defensive driving at Sandown.

Don't have any opinions as yet other than IT WILL BE HOT at 30c and i'll be doing about 70 laps for the day!!

I am taking a totally wild stab and guessing on a best time of 1.39!! :lol:

[vsclubby355]

I am taking a totally wild stab and guessing on a best time of 1.39!! :lol:


You should be able to shit it in mate.

[jneil]

You should be able to shit it in mate.

Well I know two guys doing 1.22s (both with 340+rwkw and sh!t loads of torque) and another with H/C first time out was about 1.38!

I'd be damn happy if I can get under 1.35 but I really doubt it and don't know how hard that is.

[Smitty]

It is on Saturday, the 4th of March

I haven't done the Performance course before, but have done Level 1 and Level 2 defensive driving at Sandown.

Don't have any opinions as yet other than IT WILL BE HOT at 30c and i'll be doing about 70 laps for the day!!

I am taking a totally wild stab and guessing on a best time of 1.39!! :lol:

mate
go out and enjoy yourself first
then
let the instructors get in ya head
....their tips are worth remembering!

don't worry about a final time....
I reckon the measure of success is how much time you can knock
off during the days laps :driving:

and my tip
....remember to always do a slowdown/cooldown lap before coming in!

cheers

[vsclubby355]

mate
and my tip
....remember to always do a slowdown/cooldown lap before coming in!




My tip, go out slower at first and gain confidence. Don't try and be a hero as it will end in tears. Too much confidence too early can also be a bad thing.

[georgec]

The high performance course is great fun. I've been there at least half a dozen times and enjoyed every one.

[jneil]

Well, What a lovely day with plenty of action!

Brakes were AWESOME and were pulling me up from 190kph on both straights time after time. I'd do about 3 or 4 laps then 2 cool down laps then hit it again.

I was the fastest in the first timed session by 2.5sec with a 1.33.something :dance: Some of the cars were: LS2 R8, Typhoon, 2 x RX8, 6T, Peugot GTI (old), VYSS Ute, 2 x WRX, Subaru RX, Falcon XT, C4 Vette, BMW 318...about 15 in all.

A few more laps with and without the instructors and I cooled everything down and came in for lunch.

The call came in that the Peugeot GTI with Pilot Cup's had rolled at turn 1 and was a total mess. The ambulance and the instructors all took off to assists.

The dude was OK, but the car was a complete write off. Several of us helped it onto the tray truck to be taken away and the bloody thing started on fire, a good hour after the roll! It's possible that the movement of it had made that few mm of difference and shorted the battery and started a small fire.

We all had to go and get more fuel to last the rest of the day. The morning session had netted a previously unseen 30l/100km on my display :eek: On the way out of the track my brake pedal went to the floor and locked the rears....WTF!!!!

My total pedal feel was gone and it was a spongy muchy mess as the pedal went to the floor, so I dribbled to and from the servo and got the instructors to look at it.

They were a little bit lost as to what was the problem. Initial thoughts were they were not bedded in correctly or the pads had glazed. But they didn't have a definitive answer without pulling the wheel off and having a good look.

One of the instructors took it for a spin and it seemed to pull up OK, and they seemed to work better the more heat I put into them, but my confidence was gone and with the mushy pedal I couldn't heel/toe anymore.

I stayed out for about an 30 minutes or so.

With about 2 hours to go for the day I called it quits....just before the race session was about to start, then the final timed session to see how much we had improved.

Whilst in the pits, the Corvette dropped a massive amount of oil for about 200m, right on the final kink of the back straight (where i'd be doing 190kph). Another instructor looked at my brakes and he headed out with me for some tests. He noticed all the oil and before anybody else went out, they put an end to proceedings.

So I guess good news and bad. Good: I didn't miss out on any track time, bad as the day was cut about 2 hours short and we missed the races and final timed session.

Anyway, off to F1 Monday for them to check what has happened. Even with the brakes cool, I still have no pedal and no front brakes. It's a very unsafe feeling and it'll be my slowest most cautious trip ever!

The rest of the car was fantastic. Even my Nankang NSII's handled it OK. Coolant temp got to 104c on the 4th lap before I backed off, then it dropped back to 94.

It was a really fun day. Had it been about 10c cooler, it would have meant that I didn't need to have the AC on THE WHOLE time!! (Perhaps why the instructor used my car all the time, nice and cool!)

I should have turned it off for a lap or two to see how much power was robbed.

Cheers,

Jeff.

[Nutter]

Sounds like a great day out, I have to ask how much do the various courses cost? im not soo much interested in the lessons but want to go for a spin out on the track, eatser nats is a rip off and too many nob heads out there, plus the witches hats midway through the straights dont help.

I live pretty well next door to sandown, but never been outside of easternats and of course the races.

[Ch0jiN]

I hope your brake issue isn't a dead master cylinder. I've killed two in my life, one in a ford and one in a honda. Symptoms sound similar to what happened to me though I'm afraid.

[StevieD]

I'm no expert on brakes but I have done a couple of track days at eastern creek in my ute and experienced similar symptoms both times (with out the rear end lock up though).

Both time I had glazed pads and boiled brake fluid. The brake fluid is what makes the pedal go spongy and the glazed pads just don't do much to slow the car down.

Hope this helps

Good luck with it :)

[jneil]

I have to ask how much do the various courses cost?

it is all on the Murcott website (http://www.murcott.com.au/), basically it was $350 for the day


I hope your brake issue isn't a dead master cylinder.

Don't know, could well be?


Both time I had glazed pads and boiled brake fluid. The brake fluid is what makes the pedal go spongy and the glazed pads just don't do much to slow the car down.


My brakes were fine and solid with no hint of fade BEFORE lunch. I did two cool down laps to make sure things were cool(ish!). It was driving out the gate to get more fuel at lunch time that I noticed the problem...the pedal went to the floor, not so much spongy as "who the fark stole my brakes!!"

I really don't know, you could be right, I'll have to wait and see. The fluid could have boiled in the line and created air that I can't get out without a full flush, dunno??

[vsclubby355]

Told ya you'd shit it in.

[jneil]

Told ya you'd shit it in.

Yeah, kinda surprised me I think. That was the first timed session after only a handful of laps. It would have been excellent to get the final time at the end of the day with 70 odd laps under my belt and tips/hints from the instructors.

I still have no brakes so a limp to work then to the workshop is in order today :yup:

Edit: Just remembered 2 more cars, a new Boxter and a new MX-5

[2 cylinders shy]

Its funny how you say you got better times than the Phoon, LS2 Etc
When I went my lap times were the 4th best there. ahead of WRX's Clubbys SS's etc. Only problem was they did the final "race" in reverse grid:doh: the only cars behind me on the grid were a modded well drivin s15 a M3 and a sti
needles to say i got slaughterd.

[Smitty]

Well, What a lovely day with plenty of action!

Brakes were AWESOME and were pulling me up from 190kph on both straights time after time. I'd do about 3 or 4 laps then 2 cool down laps then hit it again.

I was the fastest in the first timed session by 2.5sec with a 1.33.something :dance: Some of the cars were: LS2 R8, Typhoon, 2 x RX8, 6T, Peugot GTI (old), VYSS Ute, 2 x WRX, Subaru RX, Falcon XT, C4 Vette, BMW 318...about 15 in all.

great to hear you had a top day....1.33 is a good time
and the best bit would be passing the likes of the Rexs :evil:

the brakes issue is a strange one
I have never had anything like it nor seen anyone else have something similar
...wear out the brakes or have the pedal go to the floor ...yes
but worn out brake pads or boiling fluid were easy to spot reasons


once you sort out the brakes...I bet you will be back for another day
...soon :burnout:


cheers

[jneil]

Its funny how you say you got better times than the Phoon, LS2 Etc
When I went my lap times were the 4th best there. ahead of WRX's Clubbys SS's etc. Only problem was they did the final "race" in reverse grid:doh: the only cars behind me on the grid were a modded well drivin s15 a M3 and a sti
needles to say i got slaughterd.

We never got to do the "races" at all because of the Oil. Interestingly the Phoon was driven by a little old asian guy!! Expected him to have a Civic I spose, but he came in and stopped without the cool down lap and his coolant boiled about 5 minutes after stopping, blowing out steam everywhere.


great to hear you had a top day....1.33 is a good time
and the best bit would be passing the likes of the Rexs

Funnily enough I heard them talking about how the Vette just blasted past them like they were standing still, I was a good 6sec faster than the Vette, and pulled past them easily at 180+ but they never mentioned me at all :lmao:

I'll be back for sure. Getting the brakes looked at this arvo. I think I stressed my rotors a little and can see little baby crack marks on the surface...maybe time for those DBA's!!

[Smitty]

I'll be back for sure. Getting the brakes looked at this arvo. I think I stressed my rotors a little and can see little baby crack marks on the surface...maybe time for those DBA's!!

I would get your rotors checked for sure...
as I posted before, I actually cracked/broke one on mine (LHF) on one of these
days.... hence the DBAs on mine now.

maybe time to save for a set on yours:p

cheers

[jneil]

I would get your rotors checked for sure...
as I posted before, I actually cracked/broke one on mine (LHF) on one of these
days.... hence the DBAs on mine now.

maybe time to save for a set on yours:p

cheers

Yeah, quite possibly!! I just went and re-checked and it looks like my TS2000's are already at 50% on the fronts!! Rears about 85%! The rotors don't look like they are used that much, but the little baby cracks are my concern!

I was quoted $99 for the DBA040's from Supercheap last week. Hopefully if I need them they will have some left and I'd almost be tempted to get new pads at the same time.

Starts to get expensive doesn't it!!

[Speedy Gonzales]

Funnily enough I heard them talking about how the Vette just blasted past them like they were standing still, I was a good 6sec faster than the Vette, and pulled past them easily at 180+ but they never mentioned me at all :lmao:


Beating up on a C4 is no contest unless it happens to be the LT5, then youd better look out ;)

[jneil]

Well, it appears that I may have been a little too aggressive on the brakes, even though the suckers stopped me from high speed no problems!

I believe the problem was that they got extremly hot and 2 cool down laps without using the brakes just wasn't enough. I should have done about 5 to really run some air into them. The heat only had one place to go whilst stationary and that was through the pad and into the caliper. New fluid was just flushed through, but my pedal is still spongy as all crap. With more heat (80-40kph a few times) it started to get better, but I feel I may have ruined the pistons or something??

I'll see how it goes over the next week and run some heat into them to get rid of the crap that is on them and see how I go.

Looks like I might be in need of a decent brake upgrade now....343mm minimum me thinks! :bawl:

[Smitty]

Well, it appears that I may have been a little too aggressive on the brakes, even though the suckers stopped me from high speed no problems!

I believe the problem was that they got extremly hot and 2 cool down laps without using the brakes just wasn't enough. I should have done about 5 to really run some air into them. The heat only had one place to go whilst stationary and that was through the pad and into the caliper. New fluid was just flushed through, but my pedal is still spongy as all crap. With more heat (80-40kph a few times) it started to get better, but I feel I may have ruined the pistons or something??

I'll see how it goes over the next week and run some heat into them to get rid of the crap that is on them and see how I go.

Looks like I might be in need of a decent brake upgrade now....343mm minimum me thinks! :bawl:

I would get someone/do it yourself..to check your hoses for swelling
and also do another fluid flush/bleed
...sounds unusual to me. I have been aggressive as hell with mine
at Sandown or PI (one lap cool downs) and not a problem
....'cept for a cracked Holden rotor that is :lol:

hth

cheers

[NickS]

Your issue with the brakes may be similar to what happened to mine. I had the Coupe 4 down at Wakefield and got the brakes so hot that the pins in the calipers bent under pressure, plus I completely boiled the fluid. My pedal was going to the floor, literally sitting on the floor, but the car still seemed to stop OK'ish.

Took it in to Sonny and he checked everything, I had already done a bleed and there was no air in the system anymore, which helped a bit. Sonny got me to sit in the car while it was up on the hoist and push the pedal, both front calipers moved everytime I pushed the pedal due to the bent pins.

The entire caliper was basically flexing rather than staying still as it's supposed to. Any movement of the caliper at the wheel is amplified through the pedal, hence, the pedal was going to the floor. So off with the HSV performance brakes and on with the Harrop Ultimates ... eventually.

This may not be what is wrong with yours but just thought I would mention it in case it is. I didn't lock up the wheels in mine but it did feel like the brakes were pretty much gone, heaps of pad, brand new fluid, no air in the lines, rotors were fine ... but the pedal still went to the floor.

Good luck ... hope it's sorted out quicker than mine. I stuffed the old ones on December 19, still haven't got the new ones sorted out yet :doh:

[2001 ITR]

Band aid solution – as well as the cool down laps you sometimes see people doing a few laps of empty carpark areas at 10-20ish kmh for a few minutes to get a bit more air flowing through the brakes before parking them.

[scottie_VZSS]

has anyone noticed that the murcotts performance day now costs $795?? has anyone been on one lately? has something changed to bump the price up that much??

[Smitty]

has anyone noticed that the murcotts performance day now costs $795?? has anyone been on one lately? has something changed to bump the price up that much??

gulp....$795:shock:
yeah
http://www.murcotts.com.au/performanceprogram2.php

guess that rules me out
last one cost me $360 and there is no way I can justify $795

also I notice this....

Terms & Conditions

* All vehicles must be road worthy and road registered
* Type R tyres will be allowed as long as they are road legal
* Noise restrictions to 75 decibels
* Group bookings available
* For safety and insurance reasons no drivers may circulate around the circuit without a Murcott Instructor in the vehicle at any time


the last item..never used to be the case
you were always allowed laps by yourself...wonder who stuffed up

cheers

Smitty

[jneil]

gulp....$795:shock:
yeah
http://www.murcotts.com.au/performanceprogram2.php

guess that rules me out
last one cost me $360 and there is no way I can justify $795

also I notice this....

Terms & Conditions

* All vehicles must be road worthy and road registered
* Type R tyres will be allowed as long as they are road legal
* Noise restrictions to 75 decibels
* Group bookings available
* For safety and insurance reasons no drivers may circulate around the circuit without a Murcott Instructor in the vehicle at any time


the last item..never used to be the case
you were always allowed laps by yourself...wonder who stuffed up

cheers

Smitty

Well the dude in the Peugot that rolled it at my day probably didn't help!

Bit of a shame though. What about the 1/2 days that we qualified for?

$800 is a very big ask I think for a few laps with an instructor at all times. Looks like no more for me.

Jeff.

[Smitty]

Well the dude in the Peugot that rolled it at my day probably didn't help!
forgot about that:shock:



Bit of a shame though. What about the 1/2 days that we qualified for?
forgot about that..and not happy:argue:


$800 is a very big ask I think for a few laps with an instructor at all times. Looks like no more for me.

Jeff. they advertise..no more than 12 cars
and 6 instructors..so you get half their attention :shiner:
I agree ..the whole thing doesn't add up


cheers


Smitty

[scottie_VZSS]

does anyone know of any other providers or opportunities to get some track time without an $800 price tag??

[Smitty]

does anyone know of any other providers or opportunities to get some track time without an $800 price tag??

yes mate

join the Holden Sporting Car Club
www.holdenclub.com ..is just a tad cheaper:)
and you get hill climbs and other
stuff like sprint days at Phillip Is:bravo:
or Sandown....or Winton!!!

[2 cylinders shy]

yes mate

join the Holden Sporting Car Club
www.holdenclub.com ..is just a tad cheaper:)
and you get hill climbs and other
stuff like sprint days at Phillip Is:bravo:
or Sandown....or Winton!!!

Are you a member Smitty?

[Smitty]

no mate
I am not
but I know one of the committee members
who has been at me to join....


and now I know what happening with Murcotts
I might just do it :)

cheers