Bid to ban smoking in cars

[Goggles]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bid-to-ban-smoking-in-cars/2006/02/28/1141020047985.html

well my better half still smokes in my car even though it does not have a smokers pack!

[markone2]

[QUOTE=Goggles
well my better half still smokes in my car even though it does not have a smokers pack![/QUOTE]


Mine does :D

[Ghosn]

I support the ban :hide:

[SSBarney]

I cant stand it when i see people smoking in the car,.... with kids in the back:flipoff: ....... but i luv my kids...... yeh not as much as yah smokes!

Why not give them a smoke:diddy: Mummy, mummy are we there yet cause i'm choking from your bloody smoke:bawl:

[markone2]

What confuses me :confused: after watching the same program on Today tonight is that so many of us are still living breathing specimens of Humanity after going through childhood with parents who smoked both inside the car and out…..according the anti smoking campaigners we should all be 6 foot under ……I note with interest both my Grandfathers passed away early in life at the tender ages of 86 and 88 respectively …may they rest in peace ....both smokers

[pah]

Hi all,

I HATE CIGARETTE Co's with PASSION. In my opinion, they are the epitome of everything that is deplorable in Coporate Multinationals. They flog a product that shortens the lives of users (Iv'e seen film foootage of Cigarette Co execs facing inquiries). I believe that Yul Brynner was dead (no pun intended) set right when he said: Whatever you do, DON'T SMOKE.

Having said that let me say this: In my opnion, we are governed by politicians WHO HAVE RUN ESSENTIALS INTO THE GROUND!! Essential services such as Health and Education are ON THE ROPES!! The road networks have been sold to Tollway Operators and the claim is now being made that some of our tolls are as high as they are because the government has stitched up the operators with up-frront fees!!!!!!!

WHAT DO WE GET FROM OUR BELOVED POLLIES??? BAN this, BAN that and BAN any other %&%$@# thing. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE ANY GOOD FOR!! BANNING THINGS. OF COURSE, THEY MANAGE TO BAN THINGS THAT ENABLE THEM TO IMPOSE FINES LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE!!!!

The CROCK about banning smoking in cars might be liitle more than a publicity STUNT!! If it is, that's beside the point. Essential services are next door to stuffed and tax payer dollars have been pee'd up against the wall to gold plate vested interest groups by gold palting the equestrian centre at Horsely Park, the White Water Rafting Centre at Penrith and the Olympic Centre at Homebush Bay etc etc. Not to worry - they can whack up a few more speed cameras and ban jet skis on another waterway or two to help improve finances.

Our BIG BROTHER governments ought to leaqrn to SOD OFF OUT OF OUR LIVES!!! If I want to take a calculated risk by somoking (that will be the day), then that is my business. If I want to race bikes, THAT IS MY BUSINESS!! If I want to mountain climb, abseil or hang glide, THAT IS MY BUSINESS!!! If I want to sky-dive, THAT IS MY BUSINESS!!! Obviously, our governments turn a blind eye to some activities doesn't it?? It's a shame that they target the HELL out of the motoring fraternity isn't it??

Back to my opening statement: Given that passive smoking damages peoples' health, it's hard to see how any thinking person could shut up a loved one in a small area crammed with carcinogenic smoke.


Not to worry - we can VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITION at the next NSW elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who? Me rant?? :soap:



PAH

[10sec_rx7]

im a smoker but there is no way in hell i would smoke in a car or house with kids in it, i even walk away from my nieghbours and friends kids if they come near me when im smoking,

[Goggles]

What confuses me :confused: after watching the same program on Today tonight is that so many of us are still living breathing specimens of Humanity after going through childhood with parents who smoked both inside the car and out…..according the anti smoking campaigners we should all be 6 foot under ……I note with interest both my Grandfathers passed away early in life at the tender ages of 86 and 88 respectably…may they rest in peace ....both smokers

totally agree - my maternal grandfather is still alive at 85 - might be showing signs of dementia, but otherwise ok. up until 25 years ago, he smoked like the proverbial chimney, and still drinks vodka like it is water.

whether you get sick or not is genetics, my maternal grandmother died at the age of 59, and my mum died at the age of 52....

[SSBarney]

What confuses me :confused: after watching the same program on Today tonight is that so many of us are still living breathing specimens of Humanity after going through childhood with parents who smoked both inside the car and out…..according the anti smoking campaigners we should all be 6 foot under ……I note with interest both my Grandfathers passed away early in life at the tender ages of 86 and 88 respectively …may they rest in peace ....both smokers

OK, fair call, as a kid i have been in many smoked out confined places.
But not every person that smokes dies of lung cancer,... not every person that gets sun burnt dies of skin cancer,... and so on for all cancers.
But some that smoke do! I wouldnt want to play that gamble with my kids.

I have a couple of neices and nephews and there parents smoked like chimenys, including in car, including during pregnancy, including in the lounge room so it looked like a pub.
Each kid had varying respiratory conditions including, chronic bronchitis, ashma, and ear issues(cant remember the name).
Everyone of these has been linked to smoking, but of course according to the parents its to do with anything but depriving them of fresh air. Big coincidence though I always felt.

My point is that there are many health issues that could be inflicted on the kids from them enhaling smoke, that are not as sever as actual cancer. Why would anyone want to play that gamble?

[mavss]

The title of this thread is misleading.

The proposal is to stop smoking in cars when there are kids and around kids in general.

I fully support this.

[Goggles]

The title of this thread is misleading.

you shouldn't be surprised - it came straight from a newspaper :lol:

[markone2]

totally agree - my maternal grandfather is still alive at 85 - might be showing signs of dementia, but otherwise ok. up until 25 years ago, he smoked like the proverbial chimney, and still drinks vodka like it is water.

whether you get sick or not is genetics, my maternal grandmother died at the age of 59, and my mum died at the age of 52....


Could be something in the genetics…with both grandmothers ( non-smokers ) passing away much earlier in life…

[lukaswild]

What confuses me :confused: after watching the same program on Today tonight is that so many of us are still living breathing specimens of Humanity after going through childhood with parents who smoked both inside the car and out…..according the anti smoking campaigners we should all be 6 foot under ……I note with interest both my Grandfathers passed away early in life at the tender ages of 86 and 88 respectively …may they rest in peace ....both smokers


I always love it when people use exceptions to the rule to demonstrate a point - Just because one man can run 100m under 10sec doesn't mean we all can.

[markone2]

I always love it when people use exceptions to the rule to demonstrate a point - Just because one man can run 100m under 10sec doesn't mean we all can.


:rofl: Sorry cannot hang around..urgently need to contact both parents to inform them they are living execptions.........:diddy:

[ACT_Cross8]

Who cares about the health issues for the smoking driver and their occupants? If they want to kill themselves and their families, let them.

It's the inattention to driving while lighting a cigarette and smoking it that $hits me. Whoops, didn't mean to swerve into your lane mate, I had my head under the dash looking for my lighter :flipoff:

If there can be a ban on using mobile phones in the car because it takes your attention away from driving, then ban smoking in cars for the same reason too :soap:

End of rant...

[markone2]

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It's the inattention to driving while lighting a cigarette and smoking it that $hits me. Whoops, didn't mean to swerve into your lane mate, I had my head under the dash looking for my lighter :flipoff:

If there can be a ban on using mobile phones in the car because it takes your attention away from driving, then ban smoking in cars for the same reason too :soap:

End of rant...


I’ll go on the record now as categorically stating your inattention to the road while lighting a fag is less than talking to a front seat passenger or changing the radio station….but heres fodder for thought, lets ban all forms of electronic entertainment and communications from vehicles…passengers too for that very same reason…..as for those with sat nav who persist in entering destinations whist driving…
Bugger it ? why not satisfy the Pedestrian Council once and for all…..Ban all car makers bar Toyota who will remain commissioned by the Government of the day to supply and outfit the motoring public in Beige Camry’s, speed limited at 70Kph complete with dicky seat out the rear for passengers and enclosed drivers partition …
Ludicrous you say ??
Maybe ,maybe not….. when some of the suggestions presently being bandied around by one or two very loud minority groups are added up

The right of the individual to choose ? ….don’t be daft. ….. .this is the enlightened age of *Political Correctness *………..gone mad imho

[Danv8]

I quit smoking and the mrs does not smoke either.
And the new photo's on the cancer stick boxes is enough to put me off touching another smoke again.

I am still surprised seeing young kids smoking I just think you damn fool for starting it up.

And as an ex smoker I still call myself a damn fool for starting it up as well.

:doh:

[spaceman347]

Why is it that everyone gets so high and mighty when it comes to cigarettes? They don't have pictures showing domestic violence and cirrhosis of the liver on the back of every alcohol bottle, or pictures of horendous motorcycle accidents on the back of bike helmets, pictures of obese people on the back of lolly packets etc.

I support the smoking bans in restuarants etc and cars (when kids are in there), but if someone wants to smoke in their own home or an open air park then go for it, why do I care?

[seedyrom]

Another ex smoker here.

I think cigarettes can serve a purpose in keeping stress, anxiety and road rage down, as smokers who drive know, they do feel more relaxed at the wheel.

That being said, not around kids, nor others who dont wish to inhale it.


ahhhh 20 months without a cigarette, yet i'd still love one right now :yup:

[NickS]

Try and smoke in my car and your a dead man ... otherwise, what do I care, it's your car.

:D

[lspl]

Ever seen one of those drivers who think the road is a public ash tray and flick their butts out to land on your car?:flamin:
Ban it I say!

[Danv8]

Ever seen one of those drivers who think the road is a public ash tray and flick their butts out to land on your car?:flamin:
Ban it I say!

Now that really gives me the shites!
Had someone flick their butt out their car and it landed on my lap in my car!

[seedyrom]

Now that really gives me the shites!
Had someone flick their butt out their car and it landed on my lap in my car!

Bloody hell ... if it landed on your back seat you'd be farked

[mad_monaro]

Its funny how smokers go up in arms when there is another proposal to stop them from killing themselves and others.

Three reasons to why the ban makes sence :

Its dangerous - Markone, no disrespect to you fella, but there are people who do stupid things while smoking in a car. How many people do you know have dropped their smoke while driving - I certainly know a few. Just remember, just like all road rules, they have to cater for the dimwits.

Passengers - Especially kids. Its proven the passive smoking does cause cancer - enough said.

Littering - Not only a littering issue, but a known cause of bush fires.


I am an ex smoker of 6 years. I can now only wonder to why I was so stupid to smoke in the first place. I know what its like to defend smoking, but in reality its pretty dumb. Pah made a comment on essential services, well an easy way to ease the burden on the health system in the future is ban smoking, as smoking related illneses cost the govt's billions a year - yet smokers still aggressivly defend their right to smoke, while costs US ALL money for them to do so.

[markone2]

Pah made a comment on essential services, well an easy way to ease the burden on the health system in the future is ban smoking, as smoking related illneses cost the govt's billions a year - yet smokers still aggressivly defend their right to smoke, while costs US ALL money for them to do so.



As does alcohol /alcoholism related diseases…….community cost of same.........I rest my case

[seldo]

It's the inattention to driving while lighting a cigarette and smoking it that $hits me. Whoops, didn't mean to swerve into your lane mate, I had my head under the dash looking for my lighter

If there can be a ban on using mobile phones in the car because it takes your attention away from driving, then ban smoking in cars for the same reason too
My ex-wife was stationary in traffic when she was hit from behind at about 80kph by a woman smoker who had dropped her cigarette and was trying to find it as she drove....Didn't even brake - Hit so hard it broke the back off the driver's seat in the ex's Volvo....Now faces a lifetime of neck problems ahead of her..

[spaceman347]

As does alcohol /alcoholism related diseases…….community cost of same.........I rest my case
here, here!

[Vx_Adonis]

As a non smoker, i get pissed off when i go to a nightclub and its full of smoke - why not ban it there also?
apparently, at the crown they have banned smoking, but not in the high roller rooms - im sure they would lose too much money if those rich smoking pokie players stopped gambling there - BLOODY HIPOCRETES....

[VZLAD]

Who cares about the health issues for the smoking driver and their occupants? If they want to kill themselves and their families, let them.

It's the inattention to driving while lighting a cigarette and smoking it that $hits me. Whoops, didn't mean to swerve into your lane mate, I had my head under the dash looking for my lighter :flipoff:

If there can be a ban on using mobile phones in the car because it takes your attention away from driving, then ban smoking in cars for the same reason too :soap:

End of rant...

Tell that excuse to a cop who is looking at the screen infront of them for info while driving at the same time..

[BlownVR]

As does alcohol /alcoholism related diseases…….community cost of same.........I rest my case
Ban alcohol too (not that a ban would work!)... would save the community a whole lot of grief.
:hide:
It would be very unpopular but there is certainly a double standard with community attitudes towards alcohol and tobacco. I guess that's because alcohol in small amounts is probably quite harmless, and there would be few who would argue the same for tobacco.
Might as well ban religion too... look at all the grief that is causing around the world.
The human race is basically stupid and we have proven that we as a society (although in many cases a very small minority...) can't responsibly access alcohol, tobacco, other drugs, motor vehicles, firearms, explosives, etc without killing and maiming ourselves and others. As our society becomes more "civilised" or developed we face increasing restrictions on what we can and can't legally do, to save us from ourselves. It seems like anything that is remotely enjoyable is either banned already or is threatened with retrictions. Sometimes I wonder if it would be better to let all the Darwin Award candidates remove themselves from the gene pool but unfortunately they wipe out too many other people in the process and also breed too fast.
Getting back on topic, I find it extremely annoying having to breathe passive smoke and I think kids in the family car should be protected from that. What smokers choose to do in their own contained atmosphere is their business, as long as they don't want to access the public health system later...

[goodee]

i think it is a great idea to make smoking illegal.. for the shear fact of the littering reasons, the health reasons and also the disturbance while lightin a smoke to other drivers on the road

[spaceman347]

i think it is a great idea to make smoking illegal.. for the shear fact of the littering reasons, the health reasons and also the disturbance while lightin a smoke to other drivers on the road
if it boils down to littering, then they should make coke illegal too then!

[goodee]

didnt think of that...

very good point mate... ^^^^^

[black_friday]

As a non smoker myself banning cigarettes anywhere is a good idea, Ive made the educated decision not to take up the habbit. In this day in age with all the evidence saying smoking is bad, you are a fool to take it up really. What gets me is that smoking is still LEGAL. The government is happy to rake in millions in tax from the sale of cigarettes, but puts all sorts of restricitions on smoking them. It all comes down to money and they are on a good thing with cigarettes...

[Markd23]

Why is it that everyone gets so high and mighty when it comes to cigarettes? They don't have pictures showing domestic violence and cirrhosis of the liver on the back of every alcohol bottle, or pictures of horendous motorcycle accidents on the back of bike helmets, pictures of obese people on the back of lolly packets etc.

I support the smoking bans in restuarants etc and cars (when kids are in there), but if someone wants to smoke in their own home or an open air park then go for it, why do I care?


AGREE 100 % fast food and people being overweight is just as big a killer as smoking if not more maybe it is time to put pictures of heart attack and stroke victems on a big mac or what about what big fuel guzzling cars r doing to the earth, we as humans have the right to choose what we do within limits of the LAW

[mad_monaro]

AGREE 100 % fast food and people being overweight is just as big a killer as smoking if not more maybe it is time to put pictures of heart attack and stroke victems on a big mac or what about what big fuel guzzling cars r doing to the earth, we as humans have the right to choose what we do within limits of the LAW


What you are all missing is that while alcohol in excess in deadly, junk food in excess is deadly, in moderation there is nothing wrong with either, whilist any form of smoking can be deadly.

There is no link between a big mac and heart disease, yet there is a direct link between cigarettes and cancer, heart disease etc etc.

The killer with fast food and alcohol is people's lifestyles and the fequency they consume the said products, not what they are actually consuming.

[ACT_Cross8]

if it boils down to littering, then they should make coke illegal too then!

and McDonalds, KFC, Hungry Jacks, Red Rooster, and......

[bermudablue]

How many of you have driven thru maccas and eaten your burgers while driving....ban it
adjusting your radio....ban it
scratching your balls....ban it
talking....ban it
fiddling around in your centre console....ban it
changing cd's....ban it
What are they going to come up with next?
Personally i would never smoke with kids in the car or anyone in the car if they dont smoke

[Cat755]

I'm a smoker and for the record would love to give up and have tried countless times . It's not easy, something a non smoker cannot understand.
Having said that NO one smokes in our car. If you want one, wait to the next p*ss stop. I love being able to get in the car, two years old, and still smell that new car smell of leather.
I ban eating in the car for similar reasons. That has a bit to do with nearly wiping myself out, just missing a tree, while trying to find part of a burger on the floor (quite a bit younger at the time but taught me a great lesson about attentive driving and watching the road)
The problem I have with this proposal is that it just seems like more of the Big Brother mentality.

[markone2]

What you are all missing is that while alcohol in excess in deadly, junk food in excess is deadly, in moderation there is nothing wrong with either, whilist any form of smoking can be deadly.

.

But no-where near as deadly as standing on a street corner breathing the fumes from peak hour city traffic...............

[SSBarney]

I'm a smoker and for the record would love to give up and have tried countless times . It's not easy, something a non smoker cannot understand.
Having said that NO one smokes in our car. If you want one, wait to the next p*ss stop. I love being able to get in the car, two years old, and still smell that new car smell of leather.
I ban eating in the car for similar reasons. That has a bit to do with nearly wiping myself out, just missing a tree, while trying to find part of a burger on the floor (quite a bit younger at the time but taught me a great lesson about attentive driving and watching the road)
The problem I have with this proposal is that it just seems like more of the Big Brother mentality.


I'm a smoker and for the record would love to give up and have tried countless times . It's not easy, something a non smoker cannot understand.
.

HaHa Non smokers give no hassle, its pr*cks like me that are so proud to say been there and been tough enough to say good bye to the "pay to die sticks":banana:
I'm currently on the pro death penalty committee for smokers, I think it has a great future.... we are curently working on a strategy on what new tax will replace the cigarettes tax once we get our death penality through. We were thinking of taxing those Nicobate Jerks, putting their patches on in cars is so risky and must cause a lot of accidents.
Our latest donation was a bobcat, we plan to use it in the CBD at so called smoko breaks, it fits on foot paths and should be able to round most of the dirty ones (the uncleans we cal them) down the alley ways where the execution squads will be able to tke over. FRESH AIR TO ALL!:thumbsup:

[NOS540HQ2DOOR]

I'm a smoker but i don't smoke in any of my cars.

[Markd23]

What you are all missing is that while alcohol in excess in deadly, junk food in excess is deadly, in moderation there is nothing wrong with either, whilist any form of smoking can be deadly.

There is no link between a big mac and heart disease, yet there is a direct link between cigarettes and cancer, heart disease etc etc.

The killer with fast food and alcohol is people's lifestyles and the fequency they consume the said products, not what they are actually consuming.

Yes that is true, but as you can see by the amount of overweight aussies and yanks I think junk food ( food that is high in suger and salt ) is very addictive I think there needs to be a study into how addictive it actually is but your point is very good

[V8-LS1]

How would there police no smoking in cars, it's illegal to flick butts out of a motor vehicle yet most smokers still do it, which brings to mind an incident in which a motorist travelling in front of me flicked his butt out the window it hit my bonnet and exploded into a cloud of sparks, he kept driving on and I ended up with a mark where it hit. (did'nt realise it marked my bonnet till I got home). NO BUTTS ABOUT IT.

[bermudablue]

if it boils down to littering, then they should make coke illegal too then!
and them MACCAS,KFC and HUNGARY JACKS bags that i constantly see lying
in our gutters and the middle of the street

[RIDE:42]

after reading this i`m going for a smoke

[clixanup]

im a smoker but there is no way in hell i would smoke in a car or house with kids in it, i even walk away from my nieghbours and friends kids if they come near me when im smoking,
That's fair. You have a good attitude towards it.

Personally, I'm not a smoker, but I think trying to ban people from doing what they want in their own personal space is a bit "Nineteen Eighty Four."

[hsv1413]

my opinion is, they cant ban a personal choice.
I agree that its a bit unfair smoking when non smokers are in the car but if they dont mind...who really cares??
I dont smoke in my car but i smoke in the missus car and she isnt even a smoker.
I only draw the line of kids in the car. I remember when i was young, the old man smoked in the car and i couldnt stand it after a while.
Should be a personal choice, you reap what you sow!!

What next, not allowed to smoke in your garage for fear of the play equipment at next doors house for their kids....

Getting a bit ridiculous.

[bambam]

I quit smoking a few months ago and yeah its not a nice habit but I did enjoy it while i was doing it. I can happily be around people that smoke, be it in a bar or on a worksite or wherever. Doesnt bother me. If the smell gets to me, ill walk away. Theres more shit in our air from pollution to bother worrying about one persons ciggarette smoke. At the end of the day i think banning smoking in public places, bars, retaurants, sporting venues etc, even bus stops and train stations is a good thing but who are they to tell us what we can and cant do in our own cars? Your car is your own space. As is your home. You can do what you want in it.

So many people are jumping on the anti-smoking band wagon lately and it shits me to tears. Alcohol kills more people per year than smoking yet nobody is trying to ban drinking. Who would you rather have as a neighbour? An alcoholic or a chronic smoker?

[VRIIClubby]

Does this mean eventually that my mrs of the time wont be able to give &^%&^% whilst im driving long distances? lol
This is all starting to be a bit of a joke, im a smoker, i smoke in my car, If i have ever had kids in it I dont smoke, my parents in it, I dont smoke, pretty simple, Although I agree with no smoking with Kids in the cars where do we draw the line? I still see countless moron's with there kids sitting in the front with mummy and daddy (4 across the front) in a Corolla???
As for someone's stupid comments about the health system, wher the FK do our taxes go? How much tax do I pay on a pack of winnies? about 8.50 or something, now how many smokers are in each state? Now where the hell is that money if the reason the tax is so high is to pay for my stupidity later in life? Doesnt appear that the Helath System is getting that money, maybe its all in Iraq?

[markone2]

Its pleasing to find common sense prevails...a new VZ SV8 in Red–Hot with the whiz bang 6 Litre Engine can be ordered with not one …but both front and rear ashtrays...:diddy:........

[StevieD]

Its pleasing to find common sense prevails...a new VZ SV8 in Red–Hot with the whiz bang 6 Litre Engine can be ordered with not one …but both front and rear ashtrays...:diddy:........

Thinking of retiring the LRC for a newer improved version Mark?

[markone2]

Thinking of retiring the LRC for a newer improved version Mark?

Only retiring the current cam....;) LRC continues her current crusade... but might be enjoying some company along the way.....

[all4ford]

I'm so glad i'm finally hearing some people be anti alcohol, it is the biggest killer! Car accidents, domestic violence, illnesses, pedestrian deaths etc

I dont smoke, but many of my frens do and i let them smoke in my car, it doesn't bother me. As others have said its all about genetics. I believe you go when its your time to go, whilst smoking and alcohol does increase the chances of dying, I dont see why people aren't allowed to make their own minds up.

[fekason]

I remember research many years ago that found that smoker's had a 29% higher accident rate than non-smokers.

There were a few newspaper articles in response that stated that insurance companies were considering adding smoking as a risk element in their premium calcualtions.

However, the tobacco companies threatened to put their very talented (and well paid) lawyers on to the insurance companies if they tried. Nothing more was heard of it.

In addition to the potential inattention while lighting up, etc, there is also the fact that smoking in an enclosed car places the driver at risk of hypemic hypoxia, which certainly does not improve driving potential.

And then there are the long term health effects.

My wife used to smoke 60 a day when we got married, but gave them up totally one year and one week later (on the eve of the birth of our first son). As a reformed smoker, she is even more anti smoking than I am.

[all4ford]

My wife used to smoke 60 a day when we got married, but gave them up totally one year and one week later (on the eve of the birth of our first son). As a reformed smoker, she is even more anti smoking than I am.
Reformed smokers are the worst! lol

[HSVR8-6L]

I didn't pay for a smokers pack by I got 4 electric ash trays :lol:

[RobboXR6T]

There are a few differences between alcohol as a killer, junk food as a killer and cigarettes as a killer that have to be reasoned.

If I am in a large room and someone has a beer, I wouldn't have a clue. Good luck to them as long as they don't have 20 and spew and fall all over the place.

If someone has a burger, same deal. It doesn't give off toxins. If they are obese and their arteries blocked, they only kill themselves.

But if someone were to light a smoke, bingo, everyone knows about it. You can smell the smoke for miles and that is passive smoke and that can kill. The argument that you can leave is unfair on the people who don't want to leave. They have to smoke instead.

So .. back to topic. Is it a health issue or a safety issue ? I can't see how it could be policed so it goes in the too hard basket !! :doh: