L76 bolt-ons...how long til they are avail.??

[BEWARE]

Just curious if anyone would know how long after the 6.0L commo's come out will bolt ons be available.

Like headers, exhaust systems, CAI's, edits etc etc or is some LS1/2 stuff going to be compatible??

I'm going to be keen to get some performance mods done to mine quickly(like ones listed above)....and don't want to be waiting for months until shops get this stuff out!!!

Thanks
Michael

[Chris52]

I would think that most bolt-ons that fit the LS1/LS2 would 'bolt straight on' to the L76. The edit/tune I'm not so sure about however I think a sponsor or two has indicated that they are L76 tune ready.

Cheers

Chris

[Hubble80]

I would've thought the the L76 PCM would be the same breed as the LS2. So I'd assume that if a tuner can tune an LS2 they can tune the L76.

For the VZ's the exhausts that fit an LS1 will fit too. Not sure about MAF pipes and such. I noticed that there is a resonator on the intake too!

[planetdavo]

It's a ready made market, so if existing bolt on stuff won't fit them, new lines will be in development. There is no correct answer for your question though, as different companies will take whatever the time is to develop and release products. You would have to ring many places to find their release times to get your answer....

[Jag530G]

Since both the L76 and LS2 engines are both Gen 4, from what I have read the main difference in terms of performance of the L76 and the LS2 is the different heads, so presumably you could bolt on the better breathing LS2 Heads to the L76 Block, Just a thought bubble, cheers Matthew

[BadMac]

From what I have read the L76 heads are a further improvement/development on the LS2 heads, so I doubt you are gunna want to swap em.

[VooDoo]

Since both the L76 and LS2 engines are both Gen 4, from what I have read the main difference in terms of performance of the L76 and the LS2 is the different heads, so presumably you could bolt on the better breathing LS2 Heads to the L76 Block, Just a thought bubble, cheers Matthew

LS2 heads will loose you power on a L76 which has LS7 style heads. Tuning a L76 is only a few weeks/month away and they use a differant PCM to the LS2. Holden have had to work hard to lower the power in the L76's (took 3 cam changes to get the power low enough) so swapping that out and putting in something decent, a tune and free flowing exhaust will see 300+ rwkw. From discussions with workshops the L76 is going to be a better engine to have than the LS2.

Only time will tell though.

[HSVDKB]

From discussions with workshops the L76 is going to be a better engine to have than the LS2.
So Corvette and HSV will be switching to the better L76. Dream on!

[hogs]

Evening,

Let the pissing contest begin!!!

Cheers,

Hogs,:dance:

[VooDoo]

So Corvette and HSV will be switching to the better L76. Dream on!
LOL.. like i said, time will tell. I do see a few HSV owners being pissed off though.

Dont forget the LS2 and L76 we put in the cars here isnt 100% the same as the US. We use differant cams, tunes and gearing. The L76 heads have the same 12 degree valves as the LS7 and are the same size as the LS2. The intake manifolds are the same part numbers but looking at the heads side by side the L76 will flow much better. Its the cam that will hold it back in its "factory form". I dont proclaim to be an expert but when a workshop that ARE experts tell me the L76 is going to be better i believe them. They havent been wrong in the past.

Look what the L76 was designed for. Torque. How is that a bad thing?

[RIDE:42]

hp tune is a go :)

[seldo]

LOL.. like i said, time will tell. I do see a few HSV owners being pissed off though.

Dont forget the LS2 and L76 we put in the cars here isnt 100% the same as the US. We use differant cams, tunes and gearing. The L76 heads have the same 12 degree valves as the LS7 and are the same size as the LS2. The intake manifolds are the same part numbers but looking at the heads side by side the L76 will flow much better. Its the cam that will hold it back in its "factory form". I dont proclaim to be an expert but when a workshop that ARE experts tell me the L76 is going to be better i believe them. They havent been wrong in the past.

Look what the L76 was designed for. Torque. How is that a bad thing?
All true... The wunderkids at PowerTorque had one in pieces on the bench recently and were very excited as to its potential

[HSVDKB]

OK I accept the experts are telling you the L76 is the better motor but it doesnt make a whole lot of sense when the LS2 is supposed to be the GEN 4 performance variant. Perhaps I made a mistake going for the LS2

[HOWQUICK]

LOL.. like i said, time will tell. I do see a few HSV owners being pissed off though.

Dont forget the LS2 and L76 we put in the cars here isnt 100% the same as the US. We use differant cams, tunes and gearing. The L76 heads have the same 12 degree valves as the LS7 and are the same size as the LS2. The intake manifolds are the same part numbers but looking at the heads side by side the L76 will flow much better. Its the cam that will hold it back in its "factory form". I dont proclaim to be an expert but when a workshop that ARE experts tell me the L76 is going to be better i believe them. They havent been wrong in the past.

Look what the L76 was designed for. Torque. How is that a bad thing?

Pure Bulls*** Stu. There is no such thing as the L76 in the States.They have the 6.2 which is 4.04" in the bore. What we effectively have is the 6.2 litre head on the LS2 short motor. The heads have non cathedral style ports and 2.160" intakes standard....no LS2 has this size. There is no simularity between the intakes apart from the 90tb on the front. Don't know where you are getting your stuff from but it is off with the pixxies. One thing for sure though....you started out ok when you said the L76 head was better than the LS6/2.

All standard exhaust etc that we have used over the years will bolt straight on. so same old same old. Reckon it will be some time before we have programming though. So to shortcut the development Iam bolting a set with cam onto a LS2 Maloo next month.

[macca33]

HSVDKB, there is no way known you went the wrong way with a LS2 HSV. Sorry mate, but you bought yourself a great car.

The fact that the L76 has potential is great, but it isn't the be all and end all. You have an exclusive car in the VZ HSV and there is plenty of potential, should you wish to modify.

Unfortunately (fortunately?), the car manufacturers always do bigger and better on the new model, or otherwise people wouldn't change over to new cars.

Remember the change from Holden 5.0/5.7 engine to the LS1 in the VT2. People were screaming at how it devalued their VT HSvs etc, but that is progress. (Mind you, I still reckon the stroked Holden engine is a pearler!)

As long as YOU are happy with your rig, then be happy.

Regards,

Macca

[HOWQUICK]

From discussions with workshops the L76 is going to be a better engine to have than the LS2.

So Corvette and HSV will be switching to the better L76. Dream on!

ummm....the 6.2l will be std later year and the SC derivitive isn't far behind from what I hear in the 'Vette. What hsv will do is anyones guess but I would reckon they will need atleast the 6.2l (400hp) to try and get some sales away from the SS. 6l Club....? Not real exclusive is it?

[HSVDKB]

As long as YOU are happy with your rig, then be happy.
Thanks Macca, more than happy with the current rig, but if the guys are right I guess it maybe opens up a cost effective replacement vehicle when the time comes. Maybe a VE SS with a cam to unleash the L76 potential.

[VooDoo]

Pure Bulls*** Stu. There is no such thing as the L76 in the States.They have the 6.2 which is 4.04" in the bore. What we effectively have is the 6.2 litre head on the LS2 short motor. The heads have non cathedral style ports and 2.160" intakes standard....no LS2 has this size. There is no simularity between the intakes apart from the 90tb on the front. Don't know where you are getting your stuff from but it is off with the pixxies. One thing for sure though....you started out ok when you said the L76 head was better than the LS6/2.

All standard exhaust etc that we have used over the years will bolt straight on. so same old same old. Reckon it will be some time before we have programming though. So to shortcut the development Iam bolting a set with cam onto a LS2 Maloo next month.

The intake info came from Holden part numbers. The valves on the L76 and the LS2 are also the same part numbers. I was under the impression the L76 was based on the truck engines but you would know more than me in that regard.

Sorry for the misinformation. Its what i was given by Holden (who don't know themselves at times) Ill check those part numbers again.

Basicly what your saying is the L76 IS a LS2 with better heads, a shit cam and a different PCM.

[Dickie Knee]

The intake info came from Holden part numbers. The valves on the L76 and the LS2 are also the same part numbers. I was under the impression the L76 was based on the truck engines but you would know more than me in that regard.

Sorry for the misinformation. Its what i was given by Holden (who don't know themselves at times) Ill check those part numbers again.

Basicly what your saying is the L76 IS a LS2 with better heads, a shit cam and a different PCM.

Stew.

The valve part numbers are different between LS1/2 and L76.

The pricing is a bit :confused:

VZ LS1 Inlet Valve STD 12563063 RRP$ 80.85ea
VZ LS2 Inlet Valve STD 12563063 RRP$ 80.85ea
VZ L76 Inlet Valve STD 12590771 RRP$ 22.00ea

VZ LS1 Exhaust Valve STD 12563064 RRP$ 82.50ea
VZ LS2 Exhaust Valve STD 12563064 RRP$ 82.50ea
VZ L76 Exhaust Valve STD 12582719 RRP$ 27.50ea

Edit : I just checked the part numbers for the LS2 and L76 bare blocks and they are the same part number (12568950).

[VooDoo]

Happy to be corrected.

Does it have sizing on your sheet Dickie? Valve sizes i ment. I thought the LS2 used LS6 heads and had larger valves than the LS1. Maybe they used LS1 heads on the LS2 short motor.

[Dickie Knee]

Happy to be corrected.

Does it have sizing on your sheet Dickie? Valve sizes i ment. I thought the LS2 used LS6 heads and had larger valves than the LS1. Maybe they used LS1 heads on the LS2 short motor.

Voodoo

I have no sizes listed, only part numbers.

LS1, LS2 & L76 Heads are all different

VZ LS1 12559855 RRP$ 2535.50
VZ LS2 12564825 RRP$ 2453.00
VZ L76 12582714 RRP$ Unpriced

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

I can see this creating a huge debate. This is almost going to be as bad as the ford debate of which motor is better the 3 valve or the quad cam?
As for which one will be the better motor, the LS2 will always be sold as the premium engine and with 47kw more off the floor it will be that way for the majority of buyers. If the L76 has more potential then this will become the tuners choice.
BTW if the L76 heads are really that good it doesnt sound like there would be much effort in bolting these onto an LS2 block anyway.

[tlr1000]

Checked out a L76 today, looks like different maf and a gts maf pipe should fit up in place of the new resonator type, not sure whats inside the new maf pipe but it looks ugly.

[Fridgy]

Does'nt this thread get the juices flowing or what! :bravo:
Love it!!!!!!

Cheers Fridgy

[planetdavo]

Does'nt this thread get the juices flowing or what! :bravo:
Love it!!!!!!

Cheers Fridgy
Would take a brave person to add technical input to the LS2 vs L76 debate on this thread. Be prepared to be shot down whether you are right or wrong.....:hmmm:

[Jag530G]

I just checked the part numbers for the LS2 and L76 bare blocks and they are the same part number (12568950).

This fact will actually solve all the arguments, not matter if you have an LS2 or L76 Block, everything else can be swapped around to come up with the best package.

What would be interesting to explore on this thread would be working out what parts are the same and what is diiferent, so far from what I have read the block and inlet manifold are the same, so this raises a few points regarding block internals which should theoretically be interchangable:

Which has the better Crank, Pistons, Con-rods, Oil Pump etc, etc, etc?

Since the bare blocks are the same does this mean that DoD can be fitted to the LS2 when it also becomes available to the L76, or will the L76 block that Holden uses change for DoD. Cheers, Matthew

[seldo]

This fact will actually solve all the arguments, not matter if you have an LS2 or L76 Block, everything else can be swapped around to come up with the best package.

What would be interesting to explore on this thread would be working out what parts are the same and what is diiferent, so far from what I have read the block and inlet manifold are the same, so this raises a few points regarding block internals which should theoretically be interchangable:

Which has the better Crank, Pistons, Con-rods, Oil Pump etc, etc, etc?

Since the bare blocks are the same does this mean that DoD can be fitted to the LS2 when it also becomes available to the L76, or will the L76 block that Holden uses change for DoD. Cheers, Matthew
Interesting Q Matthew. I understand that the the DOD and/or VVT require some different oil galleries, and therefore when/if the Australian L76 gets them, the block may change to suit. I don't think the block casting will differ but may have some additional gallery machining. The story for us not getting VVT at this stage is that it requires additionl space at the rear of the heads which is not available in the current bodies.

[VooDoo]

From what i could find, the Crank, Pistons, Con-rods, Oil Pump etc, are the same part numbers.

Planetdavo: There is no problem with posting tech info as long as you are prepared to be corrected if wrong. HQ, Dickie etc are experts in their fields so im happy to be shot down by them.

[HOWQUICK]

Would take a brave person to add technical input to the LS2 vs L76 debate on this thread. Be prepared to be shot down whether you are right or wrong.....:hmmm:

you know how it goes when you place real world experience against parts books......

Happy to be corrected.

Does it have sizing on your sheet Dickie? Valve sizes i ment. I thought the LS2 used LS6 heads and had larger valves than the LS1. Maybe they used LS1 heads on the LS2 short motor.

they shared the same valves Stuart! The only one that was different but not in size but weight was the sodium filled LS6.

Interesting Q Matthew. I understand that the the DOD and/or VVT require some different oil galleries, and therefore when/if the Australian L76 gets them, the block may change to suit. I don't think the block casting will differ but may have some additional gallery machining. The story for us not getting VVT at this stage is that it requires additionl space at the rear of the heads which is not available in the current bodies.

all the ls2 blocks are drilled ofr DOD. the only "gen4" block I have seen here that wasn't is the LS7....has the bosses but not drilled.

[duke5700]

someone said that between the ls2 and L76 that there was a different pcm, so, if what i have gathered so far, throw a (non restrictive) better cam in L76 and a tune and she will be a bigger animal because of the better heads than a Ls2 , just wondering what is the difference between the pcm?? does the ls2 have a faster scanning potential ie is it faster to make changes to timing and fuel curves etc? or is the L76 pcm better, maybe that could be a potential swap?

[planetdavo]

Planetdavo: There is no problem with posting tech info as long as you are prepared to be corrected if wrong. HQ, Dickie etc are experts in their fields so im happy to be shot down by them.
Dickie's not the type of person I was referring to mate. He and I work in the same job, but different states.
It doesn't take too much observation to figure out the one(s) who will torch you for "slight" inaccuracies.......

[HOWQUICK]

Dickie's not the type of person I was referring to mate. He and I work in the same job, but different states.
It doesn't take too much observation to figure out the one(s) who will torch you for "slight" inaccuracies.......

if you are referring to me fella (and I am sure we all know you are), as I have explained to you before....if you are going to post as fact, technical stuff here, make sure it is correct. Don't rely on some parts book to be the basis of your knowledge. Get your hands dirty and TOUCH and MEASURE some of the parts you are offering an "educated" insight to.

As in the other thread, you started, and in this thread; the information offered is F#$%ING WRONG!!! What's the beef? Don't you want the truth?

Hopefully you can put behind you the other thread....I know I have but then I deal with up-themselves parts interpreters everyday. I actual buy some of the parts and work on them....not from HSPO, as it will be another 6 months at least before they get their shit together as you can see from what has been cut and pasted into the boxes so far.
I must appoligise to the forum for offering what I have seen and measured....not just read from some incorrect parts guide. Slight inaccuracies? Ever made a 2" valve fit where a 2.160" lives? As with the LS2 manifold where you were wrong....Stuart is wrong here.

[planetdavo]

if you are referring to me fella (and I am sure we all know you are), as I have explained to you before....if you are going to post as fact, technical stuff here, make sure it is correct. Don't rely on some parts book to be the basis of your knowledge. Get your hands dirty and TOUCH and MEASURE some of the parts you are offering an "educated" insight to.

As in the other thread, you started, and in this thread; the information offered is F#$%ING WRONG!!! What's the beef? Don't you want the truth?

Hopefully you can put behind you the other thread....I know I have but then I deal with up-themselves parts interpreters everyday. I actual buy some of the parts and work on them....not from HSPO, as it will be another 6 months at least before they get their shit together as you can see from what has been cut and pasted into the boxes so far.
I must appoligise to the forum for offering what I have seen and measured....not just read from some incorrect parts guide. Slight inaccuracies? Ever made a 2" valve fit where a 2.160" lives? As with the LS2 manifold where you were wrong....Stuart is wrong here.i


Actually knew about the valves:nyuk:

[HOWQUICK]

Actually knew about the valves:nyuk:


well thank goodness for HSPO getting something right in the parts guide.........

[planetdavo]

well thank goodness for HSPO getting something right in the parts guide.........
As I've said in the past, you have your specialty areas, I have mine, you have been wrong in the past (you have), I've been wrong as well.

[seldo]

Howquick - most of us who have been around for a while acknowledge that you are right at the coal-face and know and understand what you are talking about since you are actually dealing with the engines every day. But just a suggestion - increase the dosage on the stress pills.... There's no need for the aggressive responses we've seen. Whilst i understand to a certain extent because i've also been accused of not tolerating fools easily, I think we'd all benefit if you were a bit more tolerant of some of us mere mortals who happen to make the odd mistake in fact. :) Long timers understand that you have a wealth of knowledge and experience to offer, but it would be a lot more helpful if your responses were a bit more tolerant...Thanks :) :love:

[HOWQUICK]

Howquick - most of us who have been around for a while acknowledge that you are right at the coal-face and know and understand what you are talking about since you are actually dealing with the engines every day. But just a suggestion - increase the dosage on the stress pills.... There's no need for the aggressive responses we've seen. Whilst i understand to a certain extent because i've also been accused of not tolerating fools easily, I think we'd all benefit if you were a bit more tolerant of some of us mere mortals who happen to make the odd mistake in fact. :) Long timers understand that you have a wealth of knowledge and experience to offer, but it would be a lot more helpful if your responses were a bit more tolerant...Thanks :) :love:

point taken Seldo. It shits me when I read what people offer as tech that is based on second hand. If I was unsure I wouldn't post....better to appear a fool than to open your mouth and confirm the suspicion. As for the sniping from Davo....if it is wrong to post the correct info then so be it.

bottom line I get a lot through here that come up with all this bizzare crap that take a lot of my time sorting them out on....where do they get it from? The internet. Who posts it? Well you have read the thread.......

It isn't about mortals and Gods. I have no issues with a lot of the stuff I read here. It is all to do with knowing about what you are posting based on more than one source. We all learn from each other here and I definitely don't come on here to need stress pills.

[The Warden]

HQ: What causes the difference in the LS2 and L76 compression ratios, is it just in the heads?

Regards,
Gordie

[HOWQUICK]

HQ: What causes the difference in the LS2 and L76 compression ratios, is it just in the heads?

Regards,
Gordie

looks like chamber to me. i will cc one in the morning but would reckon they will go 70+cc against the ls6 65/66cc. Got to make room for those valves somewhere!

[VooDoo]

planetdavo: I post what info i have and try and be as accurate as i can. At times im wrong and dont have a problem when ppl like HQ correct it. Fact is there isnt a lot of info on the engines and I posted what ive found which was mostly right. That way everyone learns a bit more. Look at this thread, im sure everyone that reads it now knows more about both the L76 and the LS2 than they did. I know a few ppl on here have agenda's and like to have a shot at ppl, workshops and the dreamers but you just need to ignore them. HQ has always offered good advice and i didnt see his corrections as anything other than positive info.

[clubzls2]

Slightly off topic but relevant in a way.Read a workshop in the states report of rebuilding a LS7,and they said it was basically a LS2 block with cast iron sleeves.Dont shoot the messenger.........

[solid]

Sorry to disturb the mini debate here which I have come to love, but as the thread topic started out as, I am keen to find out what bolt on mods are available for the L76. I have just ordered an SV8 and I am wondering if the first step would be to adapt an LS2 intake to the L76. The L76 has a large intake noise reducer not unlike the EL series falcons had, and it also has a longer maf sensor than the LS2, which means the maf pipe will not be a straight swap between the two engines which both have 90mm throttle bodies. A bit of cutting and shutting of maf pipes will no doubt improve the L76's intake issues but I am just wondering if anyone has performed this mod yet?

[Dacious]

No such thing as L76? That'll be news to Chevvy, who is selling them in the just-released 2007 Tahoe.

From this article:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20160

Gen IV small-block details

The Gen IV Vortec V-8 truck engines are built in a variety displacement and power combinations, including versions with aluminum cylinder blocks....

6.0L aluminum block (L76) with Displacement On Demand technology and variable valve timing, rated at 355 horsepower (264 kw)*
6.2L aluminum block (L92) with variable valve timing, capable of 380 to 400 horsepower (283 to 298 kw)*

Revised cylinder block

Aluminum-block Gen IV-design engines debuted as the LS2 in the 2005 Chevy Corvette and SSR, as well as the ’05 Pontiac GTO. The new Vortec truck engines share the basic design of these versions, but are engineered for the specialized needs of truck applications. Like the LS2, the new Vortec engines have a revised cylinder block design that features new, externally mounted knock sensors. They were moved from the valley area to enable Displacement On Demand technology and other advanced systems.

...aluminum blocks are virtually identical to their iron counterparts, including a deep skirt design that incorporates cross-bolted main bearing caps and a structural oil pan. All engines, except the 6.2L L92, use a proven iron crankshaft design and highly durable reciprocating components. The high-performance 6.2L L92 uses a forged steel crankshaft.

The block for the 6.2L engine features a crankcase “windows” – vents that help improve bay-to-bay breathing. This reduces pumping losses and supports the high horsepower output of the high-performance engine. A new, 58X ignition system and a more powerful, E38 ECM are integrated on all engines.

L76 is not detuned - it makes 355hp (264Kw) in the Tahoe. No doubt it could make more but is engineered for that much. The cam and plenum changes are probably more so it passes ADRs - US noise limits and pollution laws are different.

[strife]

2007 product range

Tahoe is listed as a 5.3 ?


Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Suburban
GMC Yukon XL
list the new l76

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Gen%20IV/2007%20Final%20Gen%20IV%20Truck/2007_L76_Truck121505.xls

[BEWARE]

As for which one will be the better motor, the LS2 will always be sold as the premium engine and with 47kw more off the floor

Its actually only 37kw more;)

Gee, didn't realise my question would create such a war!

Anyway, continue to argue as you please, but also feel free to contribute to the thread with answers if you have any:wave:

[solid]

Its actually only 37kw more;)

Gee, didn't realise my question would create such a war!

Anyway, continue to argue as you please, but also feel free to contribute to the thread with answers if you have any:wave:

Yes you get used to the debates bro it's great :)

[Tonner]

This is Just about enough to make ya HOWWWLLLLLL.

[StevieD]

Surely as far as bolt on's go exhausts cats and extractors are straight from LS1 so this is sorted - correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure I don't need to ask for that in this thread :errr: ).

Also it will be a matter of adapting an OTR to fit or possibly running one of the LS2 ones like the Orssm one Sonny at Marranos will have for sale soon. That takes care of the induction side for a bolt on.

Manifold and TB will surely not be a concern with the size of them OEM and then it's really down to waiting for someone to release edit software which shouldn't be too long :goodtime:

What else is there bolt on other than UDP for an engine like this?

[solid]

What else is there bolt on other than UDP for an engine like this?

I'd love to bolt on a turbo :banana:

[planetdavo]

planetdavo: I post what info i have and try and be as accurate as i can. At times im wrong and dont have a problem when ppl like HQ correct it. Fact is there isnt a lot of info on the engines and I posted what ive found which was mostly right. That way everyone learns a bit more. Look at this thread, im sure everyone that reads it now knows more about both the L76 and the LS2 than they did. I know a few ppl on here have agenda's and like to have a shot at ppl, workshops and the dreamers but you just need to ignore them. HQ has always offered good advice and i didnt see his corrections as anything other than positive info.
It's all good then!
My point has always been that this member does not need to abuse people for errors, as he has done many times to many different people. There is a good way AND a bad way to explain corrections.
My last comments on this subject. Hope it's been enjoyable!

[uterus]

looks like chamber to me. i will cc one in the morning but would reckon they will go 70+cc against the ls6 65/66cc. Got to make room for those valves somewhere!

I think the L76 heads have 74cc chamber.

[Dacious]

2007 product range

Tahoe is listed as a 5.3 ?


Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Suburban
GMC Yukon XL
list the new l76

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Gen%20IV/2007%20Final%20Gen%20IV%20Truck/2007_L76_Truck121505.xls

They are the larger trucks/SUVs which have the L76 as the base - Tahoe uses the iron version of the 5.3 LS4 with DoD as the base, with the other engines optional. As the blocks are all the same externally and dimensions-wise, there is no issue. Same as the old small block went from 265-400 cu.in.

[Thunder]

What is the overall length of the new Maf ?

[HRT Stroker]

No more mud slinging in here please. If users have issues between themselves - that is what the PM system is for.:whip:

Howquick (although unusually testy in this thread) has a point. If you are quoting from books/PN cd's etc might be a nice little disclaimer to say where the info is sourced from.

I know I do when it comes to HSV gear I get asked questions from.....alot of the model info etc is sourced from HSV books etc etc.

Very few people here post info with the intent of misleading others.....we are all trying to learn, as always someone will always know more!!!

It's when they correct people politely and people recognise their errors in the same manner that we all benefit.;)

Now play nice please!:thumbsup:

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Its actually only 37kw more;)



Crap, and I call myself an engineer :doh:

[planetdavo]

No more mud slinging in here please. If users have issues between themselves - that is what the PM system is for.:whip:

Howquick (although unusually testy in this thread) has a point. If you are quoting from books/PN cd's etc might be a nice little disclaimer to say where the info is sourced from.

I know I do when it comes to HSV gear I get asked questions from.....alot of the model info etc is sourced from HSV books etc etc.

Very few people here post info with the intent of misleading others.....we are all trying to learn, as always someone will always know more!!!

It's when they correct people politely and people recognise their errors in the same manner that we all benefit.;)

Now play nice please!:thumbsup:
Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................. ..........

Abuse should be left out of the PM system too, administrators......

[HRT Stroker]

Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................. ..........

Abuse should be left out of the PM system too, administrators......

Your opinion is noted.:)

The PM system is there for communication between individuals for forum related matters.... regardless of what the context maybe.

Adults should be able to debate and resolve issues/disagreements without it being dragged into otherwise informative threads like this one.

If a member does the right thing and PM's you in an attempt to remove the debate from the public domain, that is a good thing. If you prefer to avoid that individual, simply ignore the PM and avoid further reponses in the thread in question.

I see both points of view here, everyone is trying to contribute, but the internet often is taken as gospel by lesser informed people, so Speed Shop owners have to continually dispel the same rumours and "facts" that people read from the net - every now and then they may get a little tired of it.......

Empathy is the key here........if you wish to continue this discussion feel free to PM me or email hrtstroker@ls1.com.au

[solid]

What is the overall length of the new Maf ?

I am not sure of the exact measurement, however I would say the actual maf sensor itself would be around 120mm long. It's probably a bit longer than the old pre VZ cast alloy sensors and is about twice as long as the VZ plastic maf's. I'm sure that a suitable intake pipe will be easy to knock up in the shed :headbang:

[Cobalt]

Hey guys go hijack another thread......