iTrader - User Trading Ratings. [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

Sidewindr

27-03-2006, 03:06 PM

We now have iTrader which is similar in a lot of ways to the eBay feedback system. Check it out, you can get to the iTrader interface from the Navbar at the top of the page.

Your rating appears on the right of the titleblock for every post as

iTrader Rating: T (P%)

T = Total Feedback Score
P = Percentage Positive Feedback.

This should help the users of the classifieds section with buying and selling etc. :)

SSBarney

27-03-2006, 03:28 PM

Now i'll have to go and look for something to buy, so i can test it out:woohoo:

Hey how about extending that system to rating of posts......:doh: hmmm
deja vu (no english teachers pls)

Angelo_XLR8

27-03-2006, 03:30 PM

tie it in with ebay and youd have me sold

Sidewindr

27-03-2006, 03:37 PM

Angelo: If eBay gave access to that information it would be possible but unlikley ..

This system works exactly the same way the eBay system works and is nothing like the user ratings that were abolished previously.

Angelo_XLR8

27-03-2006, 03:54 PM

fair enough, its at least a stat that cant be abused. i.e post count

Ghosn

27-03-2006, 05:46 PM

Can u still use it to give ratings of previous trades that didnt go well?

Speedy Gonzales

27-03-2006, 05:51 PM

Good Q or post about work done by forum sponsors which was below standard?

MTC

27-03-2006, 05:53 PM

Can u still use it to give ratings of previous trades that didnt go well?

Yea I just used it for a previous buy (a good one) & it worked. Also had one bad one from a interstate member but not to sure on doing that one

VooDoo

27-03-2006, 05:55 PM

Good Q or post about work done by forum sponsors which was below standard?

Doubtful, last time i commented on a below standard sponsor i was threatened with a ban. Recommending good ones is fine but commenting on bad ones you need to do off the forum.

BLACK 346

27-03-2006, 05:55 PM

Can u still use it to give ratings of previous trades that didnt go well?

That is a good point. Also works the other way though, with positive
feedback for years of good trading going unrecognised? Seems like
everyone will start on a level playing field.

XLR8 V8

27-03-2006, 06:07 PM

Recommending good ones is fine but commenting on bad ones you need to do off the forum.

Couldn't be more incorrect there Stu :teach:
Providing negative feedback on sponsors is not a problem if you have notified them of the issue and given them a decent opportunity to fix the problem - as would be expected of negative feedback against ANY forum user.
We simply don't like seeing someone get some work done with a sponsor then come on here and bitch about it not being right when they mentioned nothing at all about it to the business. Only fair I thought.

strife

27-03-2006, 06:42 PM

same goes with the trader

VooDoo

27-03-2006, 06:55 PM

Couldn't be more incorrect there Stu :teach:
Providing negative feedback on sponsors is not a problem if you have notified them of the issue and given them a decent opportunity to fix the problem - as would be expected of negative feedback against ANY forum user.
We simply don't like seeing someone get some work done with a sponsor then come on here and bitch about it not being right when they mentioned nothing at all about it to the business. Only fair I thought.

Totally agree. The sponsor in question has had more than enough chances to resolve the issue and has failed. Unfortunately its now in the hands of lawyers to sort. The deal was originally done via the PM system here, does that mean, now that i have given them a VERY decent opportunity to fix the problem and they have refused it would be fair to leave negitive feedback? I can garentee that retaliation feedback would follow (hence why it hasnt been done)

XLR8 V8

27-03-2006, 07:03 PM

Totally agree. The sponsor in question has had more than enough chances to resolve the issue and has failed. Unfortunately its now in the hands of lawyers to sort. The deal was originally done via the PM system here, does that mean, now that i have given them a VERY decent opportunity to fix the problem and they have refused it would be fair to leave negitive feedback? I can garentee that retaliation feedback would follow (hence why it hasnt been done)

Providing it is about a good or service traded through the forums and the feedback contains nothing but facts, I see no problems with it - though if it's currently in the hands of lawyers, I would personally advise leaving it until a judgement is reached and then decide to post up or not based on the judgement.

HRT Stroker

27-03-2006, 07:16 PM

This is often why negative feedback is removed by Moderators.

1. Its hard for Moderators/Admin to know fact from fiction in each sides story - we are not here to judge either side.
2. If we leave heated posts in place without knowing all there is to know (IMPOSSIBLE) we leave the forum in a position where it can be drawn unfairly into legal debate
3. That's not what the forum is for.
4. It makes more sense to remove the material rather than to be seen to be unfair to either side, each side always see's their view as the correct one so as Moderators/Administrators we loose either way!

Moderators deliberate at length about moving this sort of discussion from the view of the public, however in the end if it is moved it is to serve the best interests of the forum rather than "protecting" sponsors.

Hopefully ANY business or operator who acts in a poor manner will eventually suffer their own "Karma".......

I know this is a touchy subject but I can assure you that Sponsors do not receive special treatment here........

pagey

27-03-2006, 07:29 PM

I'd like to leave negative feedback for Sparkles @ Carindale..

They take ages to detail your car for free.. and by the time they are done you are too P!ssed to drive home!:goodtime:

VooDoo

27-03-2006, 07:48 PM

I wasnt commenting on the actions of the mods in general, rather recommending negitive feedback is left off forums for the exact reasons that HRTStroker mentioned. If i was serious about leaving the bad sponsor some neg feedback i'd have done it already. I wouldnt post something that would put the forum at risk as ive seen first hand what damage can be done even when the info is 100% true.

Thankfully on the 6th March 2006 there was a major change in the Australian defamation laws bringing all states into line. You now can use "truth" as a defence and not escape by using the "in the public's interest" loophole. A lot of forums are a lot safer these days because of this major change.

Anyway, enough OT stuff. Good to see the new system Sidey, lets hope it works as planned.

VX2VESS

27-03-2006, 08:12 PM

i'd like to be warned not to use someones services if it warrants it. better than getting the same thing

holdennutta

27-03-2006, 08:24 PM

Just out of interest, why was this decided to be adopted?

Many forums I am a member of are too scared of defamation suits being brought against them that they just flat out refuse to add a much needed feature like this.

I wish it was available on OCAU for a start (a few of you would know of them). I have done a fair few trades on there without a problem, however there has been an apparent upsurge of trades gone bad lately so alot of people are screaming for this feature. The admin isn't convinced he can't be sued yet so hasn't agreed to add anything simmilar.

I would have thought the risk of law suits would be much less on a forum full of (poor?)geeks then one where by topic the member would have some cash to throw around.

Sorry for rambling :/

VooDoo

27-03-2006, 08:41 PM

holdennutta

27-03-2006, 08:50 PM

Vender Verdicts used to be available on OCAU but they were sued by a retailer when someone posted TRUTHFUL information. Defamation laws were such that the information not only had to be true but also in the public interest to be posted and that by leaving it on the forum the forum owner was "publishing" that info. It never got to court but still cost the forum over $6k. Thankfully these laws have changed and online legal issues are a little clearer.

This same iTrader software is actually being reviewed on OCAU as we speak.

Yeah, I realise that is the reason OCAU has the stance it has to trader verdicts.
I understand Aggs viewpoint on that, but thats a bit OT for this forum.

I didn't realise it was currently under review other than in that thread in site discussion.

So am I to take from that perhaps that LS1.com.au adopted this more readily because of the changes to the law? Thats what I was asking originally...Albeit in a pretty rambling kind of way :lol:

VooDoo

27-03-2006, 09:05 PM

Thats something only Sidey and the mod team can answer. Its both a good thing and a bad thing but im sure they have their bases covered.

SSBarney

27-03-2006, 09:24 PM

Many forums I am a member of are too scared of defamation suits being brought against them that they just flat out refuse to add a much needed feature like this.
:/

I would think a feature like this actually protects the forum, because it will provide continous unbias information about sellers. The forum owners are NOT responsible for members opinions of the service they receive... just like any newspaper feedback column.

However I would think a forum that continually hid genuine feedback by deleting posts about bad providers etc, because they wanted to protect sponsorhip income would have to be seriously at risk of having their judgement inpaired and therefore at risk of being involved in a litigation case if some one received bad service after relying on only good advice (all that was left on the forum) .

SSBarney

27-03-2006, 09:30 PM

Vender Verdicts used to be available on OCAU but they were sued by a retailer when someone posted TRUTHFUL information. Defamation laws were such that the information not only had to be true but also in the public interest to be posted and that by leaving it on the forum the forum owner was "publishing" that info. It never got to court but still cost the forum over $6k. Thankfully these laws have changed and online legal issues are a little clearer.

This same iTrader software is actually being reviewed on OCAU as we speak.

Interesting to note though VoODoo, that this was never decided in court so does not mean J*K Sh*T about what the real law is. People have many reasons for settling out of court, and unfortuneately in this country it is far too often because the inocent party doesn't have the huge cash it takes to pursue things thru court in Aus.

VX2VESS

27-03-2006, 09:46 PM

can the rating go in the users public profile instead of on every post ?

HRT Stroker

27-03-2006, 09:59 PM

Will have to wait for the boss's answer on that one vt2vx.

In general, this is getting a little of topic. The Moderators are often asked to intervene in classifieds transactions that have gone bad.

In using this system peoples history is on display, warning all and sundry in plain site of those who are developing a negative reputation in their classifieds dealings, those who do the right thing have nothing to worry about!

Speedy Gonzales

27-03-2006, 10:45 PM

I would think a feature like this actually protects the forum, because it will provide continous unbias information about sellers. The forum owners are NOT responsible for members opinions of the service they receive... just like any newspaper feedback column.

However I would think a forum that continually hid genuine feedback by deleting posts about bad providers etc, because they wanted to protect sponsorhip income would have to be seriously at risk of having their judgement inpaired and therefore at risk of being involved in a litigation case if some one received bad service after relying on only good advice (all that was left on the forum) .

Very good post Barney, spot on , Id like to see some sort of rating given to sponsors to keep them in check as I have heard some horror stories.

And for any member to go to a sponsor for service without given both the good and bad opinions I believe is not open discussion, but it boils down to money, as all things do :)

If thats the case, be very wary of going to a sponsor, like finding a well built LS1, roll the dice :D

RIDE:42

27-03-2006, 11:16 PM

whats to stop someone posting you a bad rep with out a deal thread as a must ?

eg, he dose not get the goods for the discount he wants?

Sidewindr

28-03-2006, 10:10 AM

Ride:42... speak da english ?? :)

You might need to reword that for me to understand the actual question ..

The iTrader software is primarily for classifieds activity and will only work for threads in the classifieds, not a sponsor rating system. If you have a problem with any person/business you should go through the usual channels for resolving disputes, once a resolution is reached you are then free to post that information here as long as it is factual and provable. You may be asked to provide documentary evidence if your post is reported and challanged to avoid having it removed.

The difficulty is that favourable feedback is far less likley to cause problems than negative feedback, if you are determined to let people know of your experiences you can do so but please go through the proper channels first. Any posts like "So and So are a bunch of shonky bastards" or anything in the similar ilk will be removed as they are libelous without concrete proof which is impossible for "shonky bastard". A far better approach is "I believe that I got a bad deal and service from So and So because....."

vt2vx: I am still playing with the fields, I will add it to the public profile fields and look at making it so the itrader rating in the post is only visible in the classified forums :D Give me some time to have a play with the code.