Ambrose anyone interested?

[Holdendriver]

Don't know if anyone is interested or not but FYI:

Marcus Ambrose had his first run in the USA Craftsmen truck series this morning.
At Martinsville Raceway Virginia

Ambrose finished 33rd out of 36 and hit the wall in turn four on lap 150.
Luckily it is only a half mile track. ( Not real fast)
He wound up 52 laps off the pace.
There is apparently no truth in the rumour that one of his sponsors supplied
the product to clean up the track :nyuk:

[Carby650]

I hear that he is doing so well in testing over there that he'll be peeling the oranges soon !!!

[Angelo_XLR8]

but not the fancy frozen sort surely.

[Phantom]

Does anyone know if he just ran out of talent or was "rubbed" into the wall ?

[Predator]

Was in top 15 for most of race then got involved in some1 else's wreck

[rs2000]

Was in top 15 for most of race then got involved in some1 else's wreck


also out qualified his team mate, which is always a good thing :rofl:

[seldo]

Must be a bit of a reality check for him. Thought he'd go over there and show them how it's all done. But, he does have talent so he should end up going ok..

[Holdendriver]

Was in top 15 for most of race then got involved in some1 else's wreck

Someone telling you porkies mate....
started 20th then 24 25 24 20 29 33 33 35 34 34 33.
All 20 lap intervals.
Lap 150 ran into Benson and Cook

[Predator]

Ahh well i guess i cant trust my yankie online racing guys:confused:
But still in practice 2 was only .2 of the pace.
Still must be a huge money thing for him as jenweld put majority of cash up for him to get a start.

[Carby650]

Ahh well i guess i cant trust my yankie online racing guys:confused:
But still in practice 2 was only .2 of the pace.
Still must be a huge money thing for him as jenweld put majority of cash up for him to get a start.

Yeh I'd put money up to get him out of the county too. :lmao:

[HQV8]

[QUOTE=Holdendriver]Don't know if anyone is interested or not but FYI:

Um nope not me!!!:p

[Pickles]

Got a lot of time for Ambrose, even though I'm a Holden man. He took it right to the Red Team right from the start, & then for the 3 folllowing years! He could've had a relatively easy ride by staying in V8 Supercars, but had the guts to put his A.... on the line, & have a go at one of the most competitive forms of motorsport in the world. I admire the guy.
Cheers, Pickles.

[HSVDKB]

Latest race he crashed again after 61 laps of 160.
2 starts, 2 crashes, 2 dnf

[Pickles]

Latest race he crashed again after 61 laps of 160.
2 starts, 2 crashes, 2 dnf
Nearly as good as James Courtney's record.
Cheers, Pickles,

[Phantom]

Nearly as good as James Courtney's record.
Cheers, Pickles,

:lmao: :lmao:

[seldo]

:lmao: Jeez you guys are tough....;)

[FPV GTHO]

Latest race he crashed again after 61 laps of 160.
2 starts, 2 crashes, 2 dnf

No mention of where he was running at the time. Figures...

Hes actually doing quite good for himself over there, he was just behind the lead pack when he was taken out of the race.

[HSVDKB]

There was nothing emotive, just the facts I knew from looking at the results. I actually hope he does well as we dont have many from this part of the world that crack the USA scene. I follow Scott Dixons results and will also watch Ambrose's results with interest.

[Pickles]

Yes, I'm hoping Ambrose does well-took a lot of guts to do what he has done.
Cheers, Pickles.

[youngy_11]

haha Yea good to see SBR having all there money wasted by Courtney every round lol.

[O5BRKY]

Who is this Ambrose bloke??:shock:

[w0lf]

Ambrose is now sponsored by Team Australia:
http://www.bammedia.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=4018

It would be good to see an aussie do well in nascar. unfortunately he hasn't had the best of luck. Qualified 3rd in Charlotte this weekend, and crashes out on lap 4 :( http://www.nascar.com/races/truck/2006/6/data/results_unofficial.html

[Holdendriver]

Ambrose is now sponsored by Team Australia:
http://www.bammedia.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=4018
This may be a good thing for him If they can donate BIG dollars he might be able to get a start in a Cup or Busch race.


It would be good to see an aussie do well in nascar. unfortunately he hasn't had the best of luck. Qualified 3rd in Charlotte this weekend, and crashes out on lap 4 :( http://www.nascar.com/races/truck/2006/6/data/results_unofficial.html

Now he has his answer as to why they didn't let him run at the superspeedways earlier in the season :idea: and Charlotte is only a 1.5 mile track.
Easy to qualify high but takes "sperience" to run up front at the start.
Hope Jack Sprague and Mike Bliss are forgiving....

[seldo]

After qualifying 3rd at Charlotte Nth Carolina he fell to 8th after 2 laps of the race and then spun into the wall to DNF... Welcome to the US of A ... and y'all come back now y'hear...

[vz300]

No not really.He had an easy run over here because Stone Brothers engines were the engine to beat.....now Lowndes has them HE is taking it to Holden.
Lowndes was & always will be a better driver than Ambrose because the guy keeps his cool & demands the respect of every other driver.Look at last year when Lowndes had more poles & more wins than any other driver,still he finished second due to the ridiculous points setup.The second race reverse grid is now bringing the cream to the top.....we'll see who's winning by Bathurst.:banana: :banana: :banana:

[FPV GTHO]

No not really.He had an easy run over here because Stone Brothers engines were the engine to beat

Youre an idiot if you believe Ambrose won simply because of that

[brody05]

No not really.He had an easy run over here because Stone Brothers engines were the engine to beat.....now Lowndes has them HE is taking it to Holden.
Lowndes was & always will be a better driver than Ambrose because the guy keeps his cool & demands the respect of every other driver.Look at last year when Lowndes had more poles & more wins than any other driver,still he finished second due to the ridiculous points setup.The second race reverse grid is now bringing the cream to the top.....we'll see who's winning by Bathurst.:banana: :banana: :banana:


I agree mostly, Ambrose had no composure and it showed causing him and others around him problems and lowndes does (bathurst last year aside), although I wouldn't say 'taking it to the holdens' is quite right.

[vz300]

Youre an idiot if you believe Ambrose won simply because of that
Of course he won simply because of that,idiot.I used to race karts & when you have engine reliability & are able to pass your competition with ease,you accumulate points...simple as that.All Ford drivers are taking it to Holden this year,wether they run Stone Bros.or Perkins engines & this is the point I make.Ambrose is a descent driver but when it comes down to it,the current V8 Supercar racing is proving my point.Because of reliability issues,we now have a greater number of drivers winning races,all of whom are probably better drivers than Ambrose.Remember, you have to circulate to accumulate,something Ingall did to great advavtage last year,simply by staying out of trouble,dos'nt mean to say HE'S a good driver either.!!!!!!!!!

[vz300]

Got a lot of time for Ambrose, even though I'm a Holden man. He took it right to the Red Team right from the start, & then for the 3 folllowing years! He could've had a relatively easy ride by staying in V8 Supercars, but had the guts to put his A.... on the line, & have a go at one of the most competitive forms of motorsport in the world. I admire the guy.
Cheers, Pickles.
What do you mean a relatively easy ride...he was his own worst enemy.The simple fact is he was a very unpopular driver's driver.If it had'nt been for SBR & their engines he would have washed out years ago.He was unpredicable & did many irrational things,ask Greg Murphy.What driver in his right mind would contest Bathurst without wearing a balaclava & then lied about it to boot.If he had not made the pit stop to put it on, he would not have been in the same position on the track to bring Murphy undone,hence a whole different result for everyone concerned,not to mention the stunt he pulled with Rick Kelly at Indy by doing a brake check AFTER the race had finished.He left OZ because he could'nt stand the heat....heat in the form of Skafe,Kelly(both of them)Tander,Lowndes,Murphy & Richards.You want to admire someone put Lowndes on the top of your list...voted the Drivers' Driver in the past 15 years in both Holden & Ford!!!!!

[FPV GTHO]

Of course he won simply because of that,idiot.I used to race karts & when you have engine reliability & are able to pass your competition with ease,you accumulate points...simple as that.All Ford drivers are taking it to Holden this year,wether they run Stone Bros.or Perkins engines & this is the point I make.Ambrose is a descent driver but when it comes down to it,the current V8 Supercar racing is proving my point.Because of reliability issues,we now have a greater number of drivers winning races,all of whom are probably better drivers than Ambrose.Remember, you have to circulate to accumulate,something Ingall did to great advavtage last year,simply by staying out of trouble,dos'nt mean to say HE'S a good driver either.!!!!!!!!!

Relating a V8 Supercar to a gokart? Jesus Christ...Would you listen to yourself? Not only doesnt a gokart have anywhere near the suspension sofistication of a V8, but theyre 10x more performance reliant on the weight of the driver. You dont think maybe gokart drivers succeed cause they might bave a 10-15kg weight advantage over someone, which turns out to be a major portion of the total weight? And if a V8 relies so heavily on engine performance, why arent BJR so far up the time sheets this year, or why werent Orrcon so far up last year with the SBR engines? Again its down to the suspension and also the chassis. SBR had good engines AND a good chassis, thats why they won.

[kayman]

You dont think maybe gokart drivers succeed cause they might bave a 10-15kg weight advantage over someone

And ignorance flows forth...


Karting is set up in weight classes. There is a certain weight to conform to for each class, so the lighter guys have to run ballast and run the same weight as the heavier guys who might not have to run any at all.

If someone is too heavy, it pays for them to move up to the next class and run ballast. (since they will now be running the same weight).

edit:


Again its down to the suspension and also the chassis.

there are many ways to tune a kart chassis as well. A lot of karting is about setup too

[seldo]

And ignorance flows forth...


Karting is set up in weight classes. There is a certain weight to conform to for each class, so the lighter guys have to run ballast and run the same weight as the heavier guys who might not have to run any at all.

If someone is too heavy, it pays for them to move up to the next class and run ballast. (since they will now be running the same weight).
As far as I am aware there is just a minimum weight for each class - correct? There is no maximum. So, if someone is over-weight they are carrying a penalty and therefore a substantial disadvantage. Just because they are able to move up a class doesn't mean that they will, because it may also mean that they will have wasted half a season in the lighter class and therefore lost all points accumulated... And as for comparing a V8SC to a kart...in yer dreams

[vz300]

As far as I am aware there is just a minimum weight for each class - correct? There is no maximum. So, if someone is over-weight they are carrying a penalty and therefore a substantial disadvantage. Just because they are able to move up a class doesn't mean that they will, because it may also mean that they will have wasted half a season in the lighter class and therefore lost all points accumulated... And as for comparing a V8SC to a kart...in yer dreams


Surely you cant be that short sighted that you honestly believe I was comparing karts to v8 supercars..... I merely stated that when you have an engine that is reliable and makes more power through one thing or another you have a far greater chance of either winning or finishing at the pointy end of the field..... IS everyone forgetting the engine rotation program sbr made with betta electrical.....

Ambrose had the success he did because his ass was in a competitive reliable car, sure he new what the gas, brake and clutch pedal was and new how to turn corners but that was about all he new...... As for setting up the car there was many times when he made changes mid way through a race and went backwards in a real hurry.....

Surely my argument is rung true by his last season..... He lost the championship because of his kamakazee attitude and crashed more than he finished..... His team mate on the other hand stayed out of trouble new he had a reliable car and finished in a spot were he could claim as many points as possible without going crazy, this in the end netted him a championship....

The crazy part is he hardly won a race he hardly won a round and got sweet stuff all pole positions yet his reliability factor netted him the championship..... WAKE UP

[seldo]

VZ300 - why don't you take a chill-pill old mate? Can't you discuss any issue without getting your blood-pressure up? You don't need to have a barny over a very simple and unimportant discussion - life's too short for that..:)
I happen to agree with much of what you say regarding Ambrose. Yes he did have the best engines and the best car which goes a long way towards winning....provided you can keep it on the island and try to afford the other guy some courtesy and not run him off the track at every opportunity.
Obviously Ingall sat down and had a good long talk to himself before the start of the season and decided he was going to win the championship by using his brains for once. As you say, I don't think he won a race all year, but was just consistently well-placed, or at least just finished to get some points.
I think Ambrose is already finding in the States that they don't give a toss if he's Marcus Ambrose, winner of 2 V8SC Championships. They will give him a lesson in what he's been handing out for the last couple of years. As I've said previously, it's a shame, because the man certainly can drive, but has fallen into the fatal trap of beginning to believe his own publicity bull.

[vz300]

It's not a matter of taking a chill pill...I can't believe the number of members who go off on a tangent when I state obvious facts.The karting analogy was mentioned as a reason to draw the same comparisons in engine realiabilty & power & now we start getting threads about weight divisions & the like.For god's sake give me a break.As you say you agree & I thank you for that but I don't need to be repremanded because some person decides they can't add anything of relevence to the discussion.
Thing is,experience in motor racing over many years has to account for something , so if someone has an alternative view I am all ears,as long as it is relevent to the subject.
I hope Ambrose goes all right overseas but the Yanks are not going to take the crap he dished out over here last year & I dare say it won't be taken when he comes back to Oz.
By the way, read the article by Bill Tuckey at the bottom of page 24 in the June issue of Motor.....I think you will find it veeerrrryyyyy interesting.Seeya!

[vz300]

Relating a V8 Supercar to a gokart? Jesus Christ...Would you listen to yourself? Not only doesnt a gokart have anywhere near the suspension sofistication of a V8, but theyre 10x more performance reliant on the weight of the driver. You dont think maybe gokart drivers succeed cause they might bave a 10-15kg weight advantage over someone, which turns out to be a major portion of the total weight? And if a V8 relies so heavily on engine performance, why arent BJR so far up the time sheets this year, or why werent Orrcon so far up last year with the SBR engines? Again its down to the suspension and also the chassis. SBR had good engines AND a good chassis, thats why they won.
What the hell are you on about?I used to race karts & if you had raced them you would relialise no driver in karts has a 10-15kg weight advantage.If the combined weight of the kart AND driver is too light,they have to add weight.If a combination is too heavy (driver & kart)you have to shed weight to be competative,mainly because all components, like V8 Supercars have a minimum weight restiction.As far as BJR & Orrcon,DJR or anyone else for that matter, if they meet the weight criterior & engines & chassis are all the same,it comes down to the quality of the driver.If the car go's like shit & handles like it's on rails & the driver is crap,he crashes & burns.The difference as I said before & for some remote reason you fail to understand, my point is that with all of these elements combined in the last couple of years Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines.Now with the rotation system out of the way & SBR & Perkins supplying Ford engines driver talent is becoming more & more important.This is why AVESCO strive to maintain such a close similarity between Ford & Holden with rear wing dimentions,front spoilers & ground effects.Then all that is left is the talent of the driver & the engine builders capability in extracting every bit of power from the engine.Got the picture now!!!!!

[FPV GTHO]

What the hell are you on about?I used to race karts & if you had raced them you would relialise no driver in karts has a 10-15kg weight advantage.If the combined weight of the kart AND driver is too light,they have to add weight.If a combination is too heavy (driver & kart)you have to shed weight to be competative,mainly because all components, like V8 Supercars have a minimum weight restiction.

That granted, am i really supposed to believe that engine performance in V8 Supercars plays just as much of a factor in overall performance compared to karting? If it did im pretty sure Lowndes wouldnt have been able to peddle those FPR bombs to 2nd at Bathurst 2 years in a row.


As far as BJR & Orrcon,DJR or anyone else for that matter, if they meet the weight criterior & engines & chassis are all the same,it comes down to the quality of the driver.If the car go's like shit & handles like it's on rails & the driver is crap,he crashes & burns.The difference as I said before & for some remote reason you fail to understand, my point is that with all of these elements combined in the last couple of years Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines.

All the Fords? Ok, so what about Holden?


SBR & Perkins supplying Ford engines

Right...

[pagey]

hahahahahaha.. what a read...

VZ.. if you actually ask the engineers of either Lowndes or Whincups car.. they will openly admit that the engines are good.. but essentially not much better than when they were put together in house. Larkham's boys and Jone's boys also run the same engines.. yet somehow they do not have the same success?

The bottom line is if you were to weight the different components that complete the car.. the engine is NOT as important as driver ability & car set up/suspension/brakes/tyres etc etc.. anyone subscribing to this theory is clearly missing the point.

Quote"Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. where do you come up with this?????

Are you prepared to put your $$$$ to back it up.. please pleae say you are...lolol.

[seldo]

What the hell are you on about?I used to race karts & if you had raced them you would relialise no driver in karts has a 10-15kg weight advantage.If the combined weight of the kart AND driver is too light,they have to add weight.If a combination is too heavy (driver & kart)you have to shed weight to be competative,mainly because all components, like V8 Supercars have a minimum weight restiction.As far as BJR & Orrcon,DJR or anyone else for that matter, if they meet the weight criterior & engines & chassis are all the same,it comes down to the quality of the driver.If the car go's like shit & handles like it's on rails & the driver is crap,he crashes & burns.The difference as I said before & for some remote reason you fail to understand, my point is that with all of these elements combined in the last couple of years Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines.Now with the rotation system out of the way & SBR & Perkins supplying Ford engines driver talent is becoming more & more important.This is why AVESCO strive to maintain such a close similarity between Ford & Holden with rear wing dimentions,front spoilers & ground effects.Then all that is left is the talent of the driver & the engine builders capability in extracting every bit of power from the engine.Got the picture now!!!!!
I'm sorry old mate but no-one really gives a toss if you raced Karts. It doesn't change the fact that in V8Supercars there are sometimes 15 or even 20 cars within 1 second!!! That is amazing consistency and i'd even venture that it is almost unheard of in any other category in the world. And whilst a good engine or a good chasssis is an advantage it is not the be-all or end-all of the package. What wins in V8SC is the overall package. And that includes the driver...maybe 20%, the engine/performance ..say another 20%, the chassis/handling/braking, perhaps 20%, luck/circumstances..20%, and then the team tactics/pit stops etc the final 20%. So, no matter how much karting you have done, it doesn't affect the facts of V8SC - the best package wins, not just the best engine or fastest in a straight line, or best driver. Whoops.......I neglected to factor in the most important bit.....you don't win if you don't finish... :doh:

[vz300]

hahahahahaha.. what a read...

VZ.. if you actually ask the engineers of either Lowndes or Whincups car.. they will openly admit that the engines are good.. but essentially not much better than when they were put together in house. Larkham's boys and Jone's boys also run the same engines.. yet somehow they do not have the same success?

The bottom line is if you were to weight the different components that complete the car.. the engine is NOT as important as driver ability & car set up/suspension/brakes/tyres etc etc.. anyone subscribing to this theory is clearly missing the point.

Quote"Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. where do you come up with this?????

Are you prepared to put your $$$$ to back it up.. please pleae say you are...lolol.
I give up....you morons are not worth the effort!You seem to know it all so I won't bother anymore.I've had enough of keyboard bandits.:flipoff:

[vz300]

I'm sorry old mate but no-one really gives a toss if you raced Karts. It doesn't change the fact that in V8Supercars there are sometimes 15 or even 20 cars within 1 second!!! That is amazing consistency and i'd even venture that it is almost unheard of in any other category in the world. And whilst a good engine or a good chasssis is an advantage it is not the be-all or end-all of the package. What wins in V8SC is the overall package. And that includes the driver...maybe 20%, the engine/performance ..say another 20%, the chassis/handling/braking, perhaps 20%, luck/circumstances..20%, and then the team tactics/pit stops etc the final 20%. So, no matter how much karting you have done, it doesn't affect the facts of V8SC - the best package wins, not just the best engine or fastest in a straight line, or best driver. Whoops.......I neglected to factor in the most important bit.....you don't win if you don't finish... :doh:
You have it your way Seldo...my son warned me not to get involved with this Forum because of the keyboard bandits on it & I think he's right........:yup: :yup:

[seldo]

I give up....you morons are not worth the effort!You seem to know it all so I won't bother anymore.I've had enough of keyboard bandits.:flipoff:
There, there....don't take it so hard old fella...Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean that either you or they are morons...
Hey, we aren't racing for sheep-stations here...

[The Nurse]

Hey, we aren't racing for sheep-stations here...

Speak for yourself seldo, I am!:stick:

Ah where is the love?

[seldo]

Speak for yourself seldo, I am!:stick:

Ah where is the love?
:lol: Life's too short to take everything that seriously..;)

[vz300]

hahahahahaha.. what a read...

VZ.. if you actually ask the engineers of either Lowndes or Whincups car.. they will openly admit that the engines are good.. but essentially not much better than when they were put together in house. Larkham's boys and Jone's boys also run the same engines.. yet somehow they do not have the same success?

The bottom line is if you were to weight the different components that complete the car.. the engine is NOT as important as driver ability & car set up/suspension/brakes/tyres etc etc.. anyone subscribing to this theory is clearly missing the point.

Quote"Ambrose had a pretty easy run because all the other Fords could'nt match the power of SBR engines. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. where do you come up with this?????

Are you prepared to put your $$$$ to back it up.. please pleae say you are...lolol.
See...this is the kind or rubbish I'm talking about.This joker thinks that an engine putting out 700hp. is not more competative than an engine putting out 650hp,as long as the driver has the ability & his car setup is OK.What absolute crap.I guarantee you put Skaffe,Lowndes,Richards & Bright in identically setup cars with only one with a 700hp engine & that's the one that will win the race.But hey I'll tell my mate Victor Bray he need'nt worry about his Mopar putting out more grunt than John Zappa,because it's his ability & setup that's going to get him under 6 seconds.What an absolute load of cods wollop.See it's pointless me getting into a slanging match with you people on this Forum because you simply havn't a clue.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[vz300]

That granted, am i really supposed to believe that engine performance in V8 Supercars plays just as much of a factor in overall performance compared to karting? If it did im pretty sure Lowndes wouldnt have been able to peddle those FPR bombs to 2nd at Bathurst 2 years in a row.



All the Fords? Ok, so what about Holden?



Right...
Bathurst is a race of attrician...if your on the same lap as the lead driver's through the race & you don't blow a tyre,& you don't get taken out by Brad Jones & you put your balaclava on BEFORE the race you have a fair chance of winning.It comes down to cubic inches,plain & simple.So that will be it from now on in....no more replies from me...you blokes on this Forum just know too much more than me & what I've learned over 40 years of working on & racing cars & karts means diddly squat.I'd better start giving back all these trophy's in my display cabinet!!!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[seldo]

See...this is the kind or rubbish I'm talking about.This joker thinks that an engine putting out 700hp. is not more competative than an engine putting out 650hp,as long as the driver has the ability & his car setup is OK.What absolute crap.I guarantee you put Skaffe,Lowndes,Richards & Bright in identically setup cars with only one with a 700hp engine & that's the one that will win the race.But hey I'll tell my mate Victor Bray he need'nt worry about his Mopar putting out more grunt than John Zappa,because it's his ability & setup that's going to get him under 6 seconds.What an absolute load of cods wollop.See it's pointless me getting into a slanging match with you people on this Forum because you simply havn't a clue.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
If you do have all this experience that you keep throwing at us, you'd also know enough to understand that a peak dyno figure isn't nearly as important as where the power is produced and whether it has good drive out of the corners and if it has enough torque to maybe enable it to hold a higher gear or let it haul out of corners better. It might also mean that it is less likely to fry the tyres as well. I'm sure that V Bray would be the first man to agree that his chassis set-up or his clutch settings are just as or even more important than his peak dyno figure. If I had a V8SC I'd much rather have an engine that had between 500 and 650 hp between 4500 and 7000 rather than an engine that only had 400hp at 4500 but had 700 at 7000....
And of course, if as you suggest, you had identically set-up cars except that one had an extra 50 hp it would win...unless it also had a loss at the bottom. Like i keep saying...it's the total package that wins - not just peak horsepower...Keep 'em coming...;)

[pagey]

VZ.. ur a dead set knob chief.. keep it up mate.. the most entertaining thing on here ATM.... also FYI - my best mate is Ellery'sWhincups engineer... but - he probably is just making it up also......


Funny thing is here you are telling people they dont have a clue.. without knowing a single thing about them.. some people have actually been there done that - and are sitting back pissing themselves laughing at you carrying on like a school boy.. they just couldn't be bothered wasting the time to reply.. me on the other hand.. I like nothing better than taking the piss out of Choads (ref. Nursing mother) like yourself... so keep typing mate.. you'r slowly winning us all over..;)

WANKER!!!!....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

[vz300]

If you do have all this experience that you keep throwing at us, you'd also know enough to understand that a peak dyno figure isn't nearly as important as where the power is produced and whether it has good drive out of the corners and if it has enough torque to maybe enable it to hold a higher gear or let it haul out of corners better. It might also mean that it is less likely to fry the tyres as well. I'm sure that V Bray would be the first man to agree that his chassis set-up or his clutch settings are just as or even more important than his peak dyno figure. If I had a V8SC I'd much rather have an engine that had between 500 and 650 hp between 4500 and 7000 rather than an engine that only had 400hp at 4500 but had 700 at 7000....
And of course, if as you suggest, you had identically set-up cars except that one had an extra 50 hp it would win...unless it also had a loss at the bottom. Like i keep saying...it's the total package that wins - not just peak horsepower...Keep 'em coming...;)
Who said anything about peak dyno figures brain-storm.A car that produces big horsepower also produces big torque but if you can't get it to the road theres no point.That's were gearing & diff ratio's come in....engine produces the power but for different tracks you change diff ratios & gear box ratios.Of course you need drive out of corners & speed down Conrod but it's done through gearing......engine power is the constant.But hey, why am I telling you all this,your a race driver & you already know it all,me,my experience counts for zip.

[vz300]

VZ.. ur a dead set knob chief.. keep it up mate.. the most entertaining thing on here ATM.... also FYI - my best mate is Ellery'sWhincups engineer... but - he probably is just making it up also......


Funny thing is here you are telling people they dont have a clue.. without knowing a single thing about them.. some people have actually been there done that - and are sitting back pissing themselves laughing at you carrying on like a school boy.. they just couldn't be bothered wasting the time to reply.. me on the other hand.. I like nothing better than taking the piss out of Choads (ref. Nursing mother) like yourself... so keep typing mate.. you'r slowly winning us all over..;)

WANKER!!!!....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
So this is your argument....you can't contribute anything of substance to the discussion so you start using profanity to get your point across.I WISH I was a schoolboy & know what I know now about life & the morons you meet.Does it make you feel tuff using words like wanker & knob chief & all the rest.This is my point....It's better to keep your mouth shut & let people think your an idiot,than open it & remove all doubt.This is why your getting so upset because you know I'm right.You have a good life!!!!!:moon: :moon: :moon:

[pagey]

knob, boob, bum, wanker.. whatever... hehehe.. I am upset...or just bored at work with LL & the kids!!!

ur doing a good job of not commenting...lol.... u win.. u are right.. ahh.. great read.. all urs Seldo.. I have made my quality contribution for the night.

[FPV GTHO]

.But hey I'll tell my mate Victor Bray he need'nt worry about his Mopar putting out more grunt than John Zappa,because it's his ability & setup that's going to get him under 6 seconds.

Cant you come up with any analogies relevant to the V8's? First karting now dragracing?


Bathurst is a race of attrician...if your on the same lap as the lead driver's through the race & you don't blow a tyre,& you don't get taken out by Brad Jones & you put your balaclava on BEFORE the race you have a fair chance of winning.It comes down to cubic inches,plain & simple

So i guess all these years of making a car thats comfortable to drive over 7 hours has been futile.


A car that produces big horsepower also produces big torque

Haha, 'fraid those 2 dont automatically go together. Im sure i dont need to recite the formula for power, but a small amount of torque can still get alot of power if theres a high rpm. Likewise a large amount of torque wont get much power if there isnt that many revs. Just compare a bike engine to a diesel to see that...

[The Nurse]

It comes down to cubic inches,plain & simple


Well if thats the case, I'm going to enter my Monaro in Bathurst this year! 5.7L vs 5L. I'll email the organisers tomorrow and get them to engrave my name on the trophy!

I might call up Brocky and tell him we're a sure thing, 05 would look sick fast on the door of my Monaro. We can't lose!

Brocky and Grudge 2006 Bathurst Champions!

:sux:

[The Nurse]

Well if thats the case, I'm going to enter my Monaro in Bathurst this year! 5.7L vs 5L. I'll email the organisers tomorrow and get them to engrave my name on the trophy!

I might call up Brocky and tell him we're a sure thing, 05 would look sick fast on the door of my Monaro. We can't lose!

Brocky and Grudge 2006 Bathurst Champions!

:sux:


Oh and after I conquer Bathurst, 2007 F1 world champion! More than double the capacity means I can back off at half distance!

:sux:

[seldo]

So this is your argument....you can't contribute anything of substance to the discussion so you start using profanity to get your point across.I WISH I was a schoolboy & know what I know now about life & the morons you meet.Does it make you feel tuff using words like wanker & knob chief & all the rest.This is my point....It's better to keep your mouth shut & let people think your an idiot,than open it & remove all doubt.This is why your getting so upset because you know I'm right.You have a good life!!!!!:moon: :moon: :moon:

Who said anything about peak dyno figures brain-storm

See...this is the kind or rubbish I'm talking about.This joker thinks that an engine putting out 700hp. is not more competative than an engine putting out 650hp,as long as the driver has the ability & his car setup is OK.What absolute crap....But hey I'll tell my mate Victor Bray ....because it's his ability & setup that's going to get him under 6 seconds.What an absolute load of cods wollop....

...my son warned me not to get involved with this Forum because of the keyboard bandits on it & I think he's right........
...at least he's no fool... :eyes:

....you morons are not worth the effort!You seem to know it all so I won't bother anymore.I've had enough of keyboard bandits..

Got the picture now!!!!!

..... WAKE UP

Of course he won simply because of that,idiot.I used to race karts...

..... WAKE UP

etc etc... I guess you're right...:rolleyes:
I'm sure that with all this experience that you actually can add some rational input to this discussion, but you'll do a lot better with a bit less agression and a bit more humility...try it ;)

[RED R8]

So what your saying vz300 is in the HQ series every car will cross the line together because of same power and brake ,suspension,and driver set up is just not a factor.

[vz300]

So what your saying vz300 is in the HQ series every car will cross the line together because of same power and brake ,suspension,and driver set up is just not a factor.
So what's your point.Of course they won't cross the line together....what a stupid argument.Being a good driver has a major bearing on how a car races,along with setup,track conditions,grid draw,pole position,all the above but if your getting engine reliability & performance LIKE AMBROSE WAS GETTING WHEN HE WON HIS CHAMPIONSHIPS & Richards in the Nissan GTR & all the other drivers who have won over the years,you have an advantage.So all you jokers who think I'm taking the piss out of them,think about it,that's why they had class racing in the Armstrong 500 & James Hardie 1000 because-as any sane thinking person would agree-you can't run your Mini or Cortina or Rover or Toyota or any other make you'd care to name,against the all-out power (& torque)of a 350 GTS Monaro or GTHO Falcon or L34 or A9X.So does this NOW end the discussion on our thoughts about Ambrose racing in the US......who'd have known it would open such a can of worms.You all have a nice day,ya hear!:nyuk: :nyuk: :nyuk:

[NickS]

This is my point....It's better to keep your mouth shut & let people think your an idiot,than open it & remove all doubt.
Pity you didn't take your own advise about 3 days ago ...

You don't find it strange that your the only one that thinks you're right :confused:

[NickS]

Well if thats the case, I'm going to enter my Monaro in Bathurst this year! 5.7L vs 5L. I'll email the organisers tomorrow and get them to engrave my name on the trophy!
Bugger that Grudge ... I'll have 408ci, that's almost 7 litres !!! You and Brocky don't stand a chance.

V8 Supercars don't stand a chance against me, neither do F1 cars, Indy cars, Moto GP bikes ... and the rest. Cause it's all about cubic inches and horsepower, nothing else matters !!!

:rolleyes:

[vz300]

Pity you didn't take your own advise about 3 days ago ...

You don't find it strange that your the only one that thinks you're right :confused:
Mate, I don't give a rat's arse if no -one thinks I'm right...I've just had a ball reading all the 'Y' generation replies & responding to them.See,it's the baby-boomers like me who have made all our money and are sitting back laughing at you jokers who are having such a shit of a time paying your mortgages,paying high petrol prices,racking up debt on your credit cards & bleating about having to sell your pride & joy cause the misses is up the duff & she wants her own house so now you turkey's have to get off your collective arse's & make a better ****-up of the world than we did.See I've made my millions through my business ventues & this is only filling in time before I sell another house or unit or bit of land.It's been great fun reading all your quotes & replies,especially when you & your mates lose it & start ranting & calling me names.This seems to be the order of things in this country with this generation & it really is amusing reading all your silly threads & the diversity of stupid replies posted by people who really are morons.Byeeee!:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[seldo]

Mate, I don't give a rat's arse if no -one thinks I'm right...I've just had a ball reading all the 'Y' generation replies & responding to them.See,it's the baby-boomers like me who have made all our money and are sitting back laughing at you jokers who are having such a shit of a time paying your mortgages,paying high petrol prices,racking up debt on your credit cards & bleating about having to sell your pride & joy cause the misses is up the duff & she wants her own house so now you turkey's have to get off your collective arse's & make a better ****-up of the world than we did.See I've made my millions through my business ventues & this is only filling in time before I sell another house or unit or bit of land.It's been great fun reading all your quotes & replies,especially when you & your mates lose it & start ranting & calling me names.This seems to be the order of things in this country with this generation & it really is amusing reading all your silly threads & the diversity of stupid replies posted by people who really are morons.Byeeee!:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
That's all very interesting...except that I'm older than you are champ...but, as you obviously don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, we'll just skip that...;)..and so far, it seems to me that you are the only one ranting and name-calling...

[NickS]

Mate, I don't give a rat's arse if no -one thinks I'm right...I've just had a ball reading all the 'Y' generation replies & responding to them.See,it's the baby-boomers like me who have made all our money and are sitting back laughing at you jokers who are having such a shit of a time paying your mortgages,paying high petrol prices,racking up debt on your credit cards & bleating about having to sell your pride & joy cause the misses is up the duff & she wants her own house so now you turkey's have to get off your collective arse's & make a better ****-up of the world than we did.See I've made my millions through my business ventues & this is only filling in time before I sell another house or unit or bit of land.It's been great fun reading all your quotes & replies,especially when you & your mates lose it & start ranting & calling me names.This seems to be the order of things in this country with this generation & it really is amusing reading all your silly threads & the diversity of stupid replies posted by people who really are morons.Byeeee!:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
I don't like to talk about personal stuff but your such a tosser I can't help myself,

I'm 29, I own my own house outright, I have an investment property and my own business ... and 3 LS1s. And before you start, no, I haven't been given been given anything. My parents helped me get started but I have payed back every cent they lent me. I'm not the only one mate, there are plenty of young guys on here doing very well for themselves, and just remember, someone always has more, so don't get too proud of yourself.

But all of that means jack shit to me, the most important things in my life are my wife and my two boys ... who I look after very well !!! So get off your high horse grandpa and realise that the moron in this thread is YOU and YOU alone.

Feel free to bugger off any time now, you won't be missed.

[pagey]

hehe.. i couldn't help but reply.. you are a crack up mate..! seriously!

I don't recall anyone so insecure about themselves before.. oooh.. i race karts.. ooh I am a millionaire.. oooh I have a rental property.. oooh I am mates with Victor Bray...ooh I am older than you..... seriously who cares? Would be great to get a psychiatrist to read this thread and it's progress...

I must say.. if I had all your money, brains, friends, experience (and no doubt good looks!) the last thing I would be doing is wasting my time in here with us bunch of tossers! :headbang:

Open the door.. set yourself free - out into the real world.. go forth and spread your knowledge O wise one.

P.S - when you scroll to the bottom of the page.. you can see who is viewing it.. so we can see you.. you litle voyuer you!

[HRT Stroker]

FFS this thread has certainly run its course!!!!