First 10 sec Cam only pass

[Phonsy]

Another piece of History was written tonight at Calder Park.

Big Benna's ute .Driven by Dee Jay and prepared by GM Motorsport on its first shake down pass ran a 10.94@128mph:woohoo: (fitted with Ripshift)

Will keep everyone updated. Unfortunately I could not make it as my youngest spent the Day in the Royal childrens.

Well done guys on the first ever 10 second cam only run.

Cheers Phonsy

[OLS108]

Boy... Who would have thought it Possible ??
Congrats to all involved a 10 sec Pass is AWESOME !

wonder if Markone2 can do something about it Tomorrow ?:evil:

[vyssbeast]

& here i am sittin on my couch only 5minz away from the action!! :( :weirdo: :cussing:

[Leatherman]

That's motoring guys!!!!! Congratulations.....but it won't stop here will it!!!!!

Hope your kid is OK as well.

How heavy was the ute tonight as it run???

Many thanks,

Leatherman

[Sonnymad]

Now thats really moving !!! well done !!

:yup:

regards sonny

[Phonsy]

It may have to stop as this car has not got a roll cage.
They might get lucky and get a few more runs in before they get banned.:wave:

[VT 2 EXEC LS1]

congrats on the time guys looks to be moving very nicely.

[Phonsy]

10.64@129mph:shock:
Now that is something special.:diddy:
Will weight car tomorrow and post specs.

Cheers Phonsy

[markone2]

Impressive work Mr Phonsy / Deejay :thumbsup: ...was fast alseep in the land of nod when the phones went off ;) ..thats going to be a damn hard number to chase down ........Good work guys

[Ghosn]

Well done Phonsy, hope ur little one comes out ok.

[Chris5.7ltr]

Fark Yeah!!!:thumbsup:

[Tonner]

Well There you go, 10's cam only,, Congratulations..

[Phonsy]

Hey Mark
Your recent 11.17 gave us a hurry up. We lashed out and fitted some new suspension , removed some weight and added race fuel. Very Happy with the sixty ft time of 1.50 compared to the old setup of 1.67.
Thanks for the Hurry up.
Hope to see you in the 10 second club soon.

Cheers Phonsy



Impressive work Mr Phonsy / Deejay :thumbsup: ...was fast alseep in the land of nod when the phones went off ;) ..thats going to be a damn hard number to chase down ........Good work guys

[CALDIR]

Hi

Congratulations Phonsy and all involved with this car. Was it running a Ripshift?....JUST KIDDING!:moon:

This record will last longer at no 1 than a Kylie Minogue song!

regards,

Richard
RIP CLUBVX

[OLS108]

Dee jay Sure can Drive.:deal:
if i ever own a manual ima come down for Lessons:wave:

[6LtrLimo]

Congratulations to all.

[Tez82]

Well done boys, its a time to beat by the looks of it but its not going to be easy ;) Next thing you will know Bolt-On's pulling 10 sec passes :p

What was the weight of the ute though?

Tez

[Uncle Tone]

Cripes......:shock:

Congrats to the GM crew, another ripper piloting effort by DeeJay!!

I hope everything's OK with the young future drag racer Phonsy. By the time he's in the chair you will be chasing down 5's cam only!!:dance:

Top work guys!!:bounce:

[STATIE]

Well done fella's.:cool:

Knew you'd do it sooner or later.

So Phonsey. Who's the better driver mow? You or Danny "THE MAN" Mullen?:stick:

[SSZO6]

Hope young fella is ok Phons, having said that, well done and good on you for your openness and honesty about mods etc.

Chance of an in car vid??

[Fence]

Top work fellas

[Phonsy]

Full Specs for Big Benna's Ute.

Ripshift with Big Stick option
Custom GMM Camshaft
Trend Pushrods
Custom conical spring
Precision Under drive
Fast manifold
Power Torque OTR
Weld Drag wheels and tyres
HB Coil over 90/10
HB Rear shocks
VP Race fuel
Custom fuel tank and 044 pump
4.11 Diff = Dee jays
Car weight without driver 1342kg (corner weight scales )

Cheers Phonsy

[BULLETT]

Congats to the entire team Phonsy !!

That is an awesome result.

Regards
Shaun

[MR-LS1]

was there watching the action last night with a few of the ute boys and boy was that thing quick!!!! the boys did well to get so many passes in though without a cage!! officials must have imagined they saw the 10!!!:evil:

Well done to GM Motorsport and everyone else involved!

[Dee Jay]

Wow what a night.:woohoo:
Sitting at work 5 o'clock, get a call from Phonsy to say that his youngest son was not well and been in hospital, and that could i do him a favour a steer Big Bennas ute tonite.

Well we all have to make sacrifices so i belatedly said yes.:evil: :woohoo:

Never having driven the car before as well as number of changes to set up, the first run was supposed to be a bit of a shake down getting to know you type of run.

Launch felt smooth but not as quick or Hectic as my car, on gear changes just tagged the limiter on 1st to 2nd and then again on 2nd to 3rd :doh:. 3rd to 4th was spot on, sit back and enjoy the ride to the line which shows:shock: 10.92 .

Sneak back into the line up :hide: .

Ok looks like ill get a second chance so this time its all or nothing.

This time i dial in a 5600rpm in Launch (not my car so no 6000rpm stuff) bang the ute just pops out of the hole with a 1.52 60' gear changes are spot on slightly tag the rev limiter on the 2nd to 3rd , this time im leaning foward aginst the harness willing a quicker run, look up and have to do a double take 10.64 @ 129mph:headbang:


Thanks first up to Ben for allowing me the privledge to drive his awsome Ute :headbang: .


Thanks to Phonsy for putting together a very easy package to drive the car felt very strong and smooth all nite.:cheers:.

One adjustment was made at the track on set up, and that was i needed to tighten up race harness by about a foot :lol:

Only problem we came across is that the last 4 runs, the first being the 10.64 were completed in 20mins and the clutch fluid got a little to hot resulting in less than perfect clutch response in the last 2 runs.

To Markone2 we need to sell our LRC's and buy utes they track as straight as an arrow, not like the booty shake that the sedans do when runnig low psi.

[WA VTGEN111]

Great result from all concerned at GMM
The MPH and Times are very impressive.

Mitch & Deb

[seldo]

Congrats DJ...you da man!

[VooDoo]

Awesome work to everyone involved.

[VZ-SV8]

Holly Shit Well Done!!!

[vy storm]

Congrats guys i was there last night watching the action and that car has some serious power off the mark.
Once again congrats nice work

[RIDE:42]

putting in a light weight driver :vpo:




top work from all the crew at melton:burnout:

[Phonsy]

We missed one vital ingredient in our car setup list.

Textralia Clutch- Single Plate

Not to many single plates that will or have ran 1.50 sixty FT times.

[acexr8]

Very well done Arthur, DJ and BBS. Melton certainly turns out some tough cars.

Congratulations to GM Motorsport for once again leading the way.

Cheers Craig
(My 3 cars all use Rip Shift)

[LS1UTE]

Wow:shock: - Thats awesome stuff fella's.

Always thought big benna's ute had plenty more in it even though Phonsy, being so modest, telling me he didn't think you would see a 10 out of it !

I dont think you will see this record go anytime soon!

I guess its time for a roll cage now :rolleyes:

[HDT 01]

dam quik for cam only

well done

[Plan B]

Awesome result guys. Well done.

:bow: :bow: :bow:

[VYSLED]

Very well done guys! nice peddlin:shock:

[BigJim]

This is a great result.

However (i will probably be flamed for this but its my opinion)

I have an issue with that you really cant say these cars are a true streeter anymore. Theses stripped cars are not really representing street trim with these 1300 odd kg weights.

True streeters should be able to be driven on the street as it raced (except for tyres) and i highly doubt this car could achieve that without breaking numerous laws.

The only real true street car i know of competing as it drives to and from the track is Markone2s car and he drives to and from the track every meet and can still run consistant 11.1s pack up and drive home.

Can this car or any of these cam only cars running 11.1s down south manage to drive home and on the street as they race. I very much doubt it.

Why dont you just build a full chassied drag car and claim 9 second cam only status, Its really no different to this stripped ute cam only record now being claimed.

Sorry but this is how i feel about it.

[seldo]

blkvzss - I have to agree 100%.
Whillst there is no denying it is a great achievement, it really bears no reality for those of us who drive their cars to and from the circuit, and as you said, they may as well build an un-opened chassis car. Yes, it is amazing that they can get that result from a cam-only or un-opened engine, but if it's a stripper it suddenly loses all credibility. I try to compare my 1800kg starting weight with 1340kg and all reality goes out the window. It certainly gives a whole new degree of credence to Markone2 who, as has been stated, has the car absolutely bog-stock weight-wise, which makes his times even more creditable.

[saj]

We missed one vital ingredient in our car setup list.

Textralia Clutch- Single Plate

Not to many single plates that will or have ran 1.50 sixty FT times.
i thought moving weight killed clutch's. probably why it wasn't a problem.

[vxleather]

this is not a record for cam only! this is a record winner in the how light can i make my non streetable commodore shell then put the least horsepower in it and get the fastest time.

[RARASV8]

Well done Phonsy DeeJay & Ben, thats hauling!!!!


p.s. hope the little one gets well soon.

[Martin_D]

If only the knockers had seen Phonesys 'cam only' cars run 320 - 340rwkw...as I have done on many different occassions. They would realise then that while the weight plays a part in this 10 (for sure) a lot of the competitions missing 9mph is in the form of pure steam down the top end :)

Congrats fellas. Happy Days :lol:

[RIDE:42]

well said TUNA

[Leatherman]

If only the knockers had seen Phonesys 'cam only' cars run 320 - 340rwkw...as I have done on many different occassions. They would realise then that while the weight plays a part in this 10 (for sure) a lot of the competitions missing 9mph is in the form of pure steam down the top end :)

Congrats fellas. Happy Days :lol:

But wont we always see this difference between manual and auto cars????

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Martin_D]

But wont we always see this difference between manual and auto cars????
Rgds,
Leatherman

What difference is that? It would be a romantic notion to think that the only thing separating MarkOne2s car from the Phonsey machine is a bit of weight, and the 6000rpm stall converter. Me thinks there might be a little more in it than that :)

[Leatherman]

I have an issue with that you really cant say these cars are a true streeter anymore. Theses stripped cars are not really representing street trim with these 1300 odd kg weights.



Right, this is by no way or means of knocking the achievement of the boys down south.....anyone thinking this is completely wrong. But..........I would like to propose an experiment, where the said ute is made up to the weight of a standard road going vehicle, minus spare, jack, etc. Then re-run it. That'll put an end to the argument as to if the car can run the 10 in full street trim. Is this possible DeeJay/Phonsey/Benna?????

I know you'll all be saying that I'm shit stirring, but I'm not. I'm just really interested to see how it'll run in an unlightened format.

I guess it'll never happen, but gee it would be real interesting if it did......;)

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Leatherman]

What difference is that? It would be a romantic notion to think that the only thing separating MarkOne2s car from the Phonsey machine is a bit of weight, and the 6000rpm stall converter. Me thinks there might be a little more in it than that :)


I beg your pardon....I asked a completely different question. I suggest you re-read Mr Tuna......:teach:

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Martin_D]

Dont worry Leather you wont get the sooky-lala out of me like some posters as soon as the going gets a bit tough. My only observation is this - I have stood alongside the dyno, and checked the settings myself when a Phonesy cam only has run 322rwkw. Word on the street is that by now they are 10 - 20rwkw up on that again. Its a bag load of power for a cam only, and well over that able to be generated by most superchargers out there... ;)

My message to you is dont think that its only the weight that helps these cars go down the track fast...they make one big bucket of grunt as well, which - the first time I saw it - surprised me just a little too! :)

[BigJim]

If only the knockers had seen Phonesys 'cam only' cars run 320 - 340rwkw...as I have done on many different occassions. They would realise then that while the weight plays a part in this 10 (for sure) a lot of the competitions missing 9mph is in the form of pure steam down the top end :)

Congrats fellas. Happy Days :lol:

I agree they are getting great numbers out of the cam onlys but the average punter can not really look at these cam only and bolt on records and compare there cars. Most true bolt ons at willowbank are running high 12s to low 13s and cam onlys high 11 to mid 12s. (Markone2s car exception its running 11.1s true street driven there and home) which are genuine streeters which this is what most people will be classing them as.

Not who has the guts to strip the crap out of there car to get to 1300kg to be able to claim a record.

I know these workshops have great enthusiasm to get these times and they have done huge amounts of R & D but we really need to set some boundaries on what stuff should stay on the car.

Perhaps they are made to be as they left the showroom floor and leave engine, driveline and wheels free to do what they need to in relation to the different classes. This would then give a base for a even playing field. It would really show whos engine packages are the leaders in the field and not just who has the lightest stripper that wins.

I support Leathermans views. Load the cars up with full street weights of 1600 odd kg or more and lets see what they can achieve.

Perspect windows, no lights, fully guttered interiors, no metal supports in bumpers, this is not street cars anymore

[RIDE:42]

Did someone claim full street weight or just cam only 10 sec pass?

[BigJim]

Did someone claim full street weight or just cam only 10 sec pass?

I say good on them for the 10 but these arent street cars anymore.

[Phonsy]

Hey Guys

With regards to the weight there is no bench mark for this catogery.Hey even when their is a weight limit like the Bolt on class of 1400kg we have people going way beyond this.

I am a in favour of 1550kg limit for all LS1's including driver. This same car ran 11.12 with a car weight of 1505kg ( Do a search you will find it )(the gain was from more power , less weight,new suspension )

We have been very honest in giving you the exact weight of this car and not a figment of someone's imagination weight claim like most on this forum.:stick:

You claim Markone2 car is full weight but have you weighed the car as it was raced.
Bet my bottom dollar it is well and truly under 1639kg manufacter weight. Not a shot at Mark but we only get the full weight comment and never the real weight.

The only way to get an accurate weight is on corner weight scales. A lot of peolpe would be suprised how light their car really is when they are racing.We use to estimate years ago and we bought scales .Bit like people estimating power with out a dyno.:mad:

If you think we have not been affected by people running light utes think again. We know how many of you feel including Markone 2

Dee jay has a SV8 sedan

I have a GTS sedan.

Looks like we may have to put a Bolt on engine in this ute and then my solid roller 346 engine.

P.S Regardless of weight Big Benna's time is an awesome effort and did not break any guidelines of the so called cam only class.

BTW. This car was driven from Melbourne to Adelaide fully loaded with 2 gearboxes and Ripshift display stuff.It was then unloaded and ripped out 330RWKW in the dyno comp on the tune up it was driven on. Not sure a 6000rpm High stall street car would have survived the journey.

[Martin_D]

Note to self: Dont ever get involved in a drag-racing Cockoff with the Fonz. Its only ever going to end in tears :)

[Dee Jay]

Did someone claim full street weight or just cam only 10 sec pass?
Thanks Jamo , there was no mention of street trim with Bens car nor was there any hide and seek to try and hide the weight reduction it was all laid out in the open for all to see.

This is no attack on Markone2 but do you realy believe that a 6000 stall converter is a Daily driver??

Bens ute could also be driven to the track and have the slicks put on their not a problem.

To make it compliant all it would need is the rear half of the exhaust (cat back) put on , passenger seat , and tail gate.

[BigJim]

Hey Guys

With regards to the weight there is no bench mark for this catogery.Hey even when their is a weight limit like the Bolt on class of 1400kg we have people going way beyond this.

I am a in favour of 1550kg limit for all LS1's including driver. This same car ran 11.12 with a car weight of 1505kg ( Do a search you will find it )(the gain was from more power , less weight,new suspension )

We have been very honest in giving you the exact weight of this car and not a figment of someone's imagination weight claim like most on this forum.:stick:

You claim Markone2 car is full weight but have you weighed the car as it was raced.
Bet my bottom dollar it is well and truly under 1639kg manufacter weight. Not a shot at Mark but we only get the full weight comment and never the real weight.

The only way to get an accurate weight is on corner weight scales. A lot of peolpe would be suprised how light their car really is when they are racing.We use to estimate years ago and we bought scales .Bit like people estimating power with out a dyno.:mad:

If you think we have not been affected by people running light utes think again. We know how many of you feel including Markone 2

Dee jay has a SV8 sedan

I have a GTS sedan.

Looks like we may have to put a Bolt on engine in this ute and then my solid roller 346 engine.

P.S Regardless of weight Big Benna's time is an awesome effort and did not break any guidelines of the so called cam only class.

BTW. This car was driven from Melbourne to Adelaide fully loaded with 2 gearboxes and Ripshift display stuff.It was then unloaded and ripped out 330RWKW in the dyno comp on the tune up it was driven on. Not sure a 6000rpm High stall street car would have survived the journey.

Hey im all for the weight regulations and i agree you guys have disclosed all mods to the car and it is a good result and in doing so have not broken any of rules, but, when a 10 is run in true street form and weights of say around 1600 odd kg including driver this will be a great effort.

I would have to say ive been with markone2 at the track a few times helping him out and it would have to be fairly close to this 1639kg weight. All i know is the only weight reduction being spare and jack and passanger seat only on the last couple of meets the passanger seat came out. This then might make the car 1600kg plus driver which is a great result.

Last night with spare and jack in markone2s car it still did 11.2. Forgot to take it out till later in the night. So you cant get much closer to true street than this.

[VooDoo]

Danny, i see mark driving his car around quite often so yes, definately still a daily driver. His better half also drives it to the shops but i havent seen her in it since the new stally.

10's cam only is an awesome effort regardless of the weight, as said, its taken a lot more than just that to get there.

[Dee Jay]

.Hey even when their is a weight limit like the Bolt on class of 1400kg we have people going way beyond this.

I am a in favour of 1550kg limit for all LS1's including driver. This same car ran 11.12 with a car weight of 1505kg ( Do a search you will find it )(the gain was from more power , less weight,new suspension )



:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: Yes i agree , its only been my competive nature that made me take weight out of the car to get it to the 1400kg mark as per the BOSS class.

I would be the first to vote for a minimum weight of 1550 kg that would allow you to run light weight wheels and slicks maybe drop the rear exhaust ( would rather not ) and leave everybloody thing else where holden bolted it in.:bounce:


But when i raised this about 6 months ago not one response to my post, now here you all are haveing a sook:bawl:

As it stands Bens ute has run within the rules of the LSSS class, if others dont wish to go as close to the edge of the rules then good on them for not being pressured to do so, but then dont knock the ones who have either.

[ratter]

Well done to the GM crew on your acheivement, it's a pity about the knockers these results get.

As you said, it was a "Cam only time" not a full weight cam only time.

Some people forget, that if they were inspired enough to chase records they could remove some weight from their cars and play on the same level feild as you. Whats stopping them? are they lazy? don't they want to mod their car enough to do it?
if one of the above answers is true, maybe they should just shut up. You guys have proved what is possible.
And they also forget, just because a car is driven to the track, it does not make it street legal, they should stop focusing on how legit things are and appreciate the results or at least accept them. :booty:

[Dee Jay]

Ok Boys and Girls lets get one thing straight this is no witch hunt, if anyone takes offence at people asking questions then get off the forum and dont post your times.

Markone2's effort have been Outstanding he is by far the fastest A4Cam OnlyCar, but as i have the same car as him i can tell you that with the seat out , jack out , spare out, light weight wheels and tyres, spoiler off the weight would be around 1520kg give or take 10kg.


Put it this way ( no offence to those who run the Nationals ) we didnt have scales at the NATS ,i know we dont want to scrutineer the daylights out of the event as it is a fun event. But how hard is it to weight a car.

[BigJim]

Well done to the GM crew on your acheivement, it's a pity about the knockers these results get.

As you said, it was a "Cam only time" not a full weight cam only time.

Some people forget, that if they were inspired enough to chase records they could remove some weight from their cars and play on the same level feild as you. Whats stopping them? are they lazy? don't they want to mod their car enough to do it?
if one of the above answers is true, maybe they should just shut up. You guys have proved what is possible.
And they also forget, just because a car is driven to the track, it does not make it street legal, they should stop focusing on how legit things are and appreciate the results or at least accept them. :booty:

If we go from your comments not caring if there street legal then why not build them full chassi setup and remove more weight to 1000kg mark and claim the record.

[Phonsy]

Are you Kidding with the weight claim.
I will still bet my bottom dollar it is under 1600kg.
No spare tyre or jack
Light weight convertor
Non origional wheels and tyres
Removal of seat- yea thats street trim
Airbox mods etc

Just these mods would easily put it under 1600kg and far from street.
What about
Bumper bar insert? and a lot of other pieces that may be missing off this quick list above.

Go and weigh the car for real and do not post what you hope it weighed.

We have ran 11.12 with simialar weight to Markone2 earlier this year.

Now who is being true to themself ?














I would have to say ive been with markone2 at the track a few times helping him out and it would have to be fairly close to this 1639kg weight. All i know is the only weight reduction being spare and jack and passanger seat only on the last couple of meets the passanger seat came out. This then might make the car 1600kg plus driver which is a great result.

Last night with spare and jack in markone2s car it still did 11.2. Forgot to take it out till later in the night. So you cant get much closer to true street than this.

[Dee Jay]

Danny, i see mark driving his car around quite often so yes, definately still a daily driver. His better half also drives it to the shops but i havent seen her in it since the new stally.
.


Hey Voodoo thanks for that im not saying the car is not driven every day , just wish i could get my better half to drive mine she says it too fast and loud:lmao:

[Dee Jay]

Right, this is by no way or means of knocking the achievement of the boys down south.....anyone thinking this is completely wrong. But..........I would like to propose an experiment, where the said ute is made up to the weight of a standard road going vehicle, minus spare, jack, etc. Then re-run it. That'll put an end to the argument as to if the car can run the 10 in full street trim. Is this possible DeeJay/Phonsey/Benna?????

I know you'll all be saying that I'm shit stirring, but I'm not. I'm just really interested to see how it'll run in an unlightened format.

I guess it'll never happen, but gee it would be real interesting if it did......;)

Rgds,

Leatherman

You cant compare cars on the forum unless you wieght the cars add ballast to even them up, then run on the same track.

Not heads up just see how fast you can go with the same weight, i know with my car im up for the challenge :nyuk:


Leather man will we see the above happen i think not but you are right would be interestring set a weight even if its done in each state weigh all those that want to have a crack add ballast then Bingo one big happy family.

But that would make the forum a bit tame and not much fun:p

[markone2]

Are you Kidding with the weight claim.
I will still bet my bottom dollar it is under 1600kg.
No spare tyre or jack
Light weight convertor
Non origional wheels and tyres
Removal of seat- yea thats street trim
Airbox mods etc

Just these mods would easily put it under 1600kg and far from street.
What about
Bumper bar insert? and a lot of other pieces that may be missing off this quick list above.

Go and weigh the car for real and do not post what you hope it weighed.

We have ran 11.12 with simialar weight to Markone2 earlier this year.

Now who is being true to themself ?


VOLUNTEER WANTED ......
For Monday afternoon, I've attempted to phone the Government weighbridge at Rocklea but appears to be unattended today ( Sunday).....
I'll leave the car untouched from last night with the one exception of replacing the fuel used for the trip home....the car requires an absolute minium of 35 Litres in the tank due to the 1.5 sixty footers and the unmodified factory fuel system ..to avoid fuel starvation at the top end.

What I need is an impartial witness to observe the car is weighted exactly as its run on the track......any volunteers....a cold :beer: in return for your troubles... ....in truth I'm just as keen to obtain the data as everyone else… as I believe I'm packing substantially more weight than my Interstate counterparts as pic will show…taken on Sundays Cannonball 21st May…


http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060522083727.DSC00873.JPG

http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060420190051.DSC00817.JPG

[KeenGolfer]

Is it only WSID then that has a weigh station? I remember my wagon being 1905 kg as raced :eek:

It's an awesome result to run a 10 cam only.

[VYSLED]

Maybe there needs to be governing body that can supervise all of these doings in order to keep the peace so that when people like markone2 or the gm 10s cam only ute can sit back and have a beer without people contesting the facts! All of this aside both are awsome achievements and i bet for month's maybe years you have been sleeping, breathing, eating any way you can imrove on the numbers. Soon we will all be chasing .001 of a second like difillpo's, because times just cant get much better without amputating body parts like i am considering.

[Leatherman]

Look guys, I think this is all good stuff regarding the debate going on here, which is what the forum is really for (I think DeeJay would totally agree).

Plus it is all constructive comments at present rather than the usual mudslinging competitions on here.

A few things I would still ask.

1. Mr Street Tuna......the power outputs you say at GMM.....they are truely awesome. No denying that. What dyno do they use out of interest???

2. The 'package' GMM put together is pretty awsome in truth....with a monstrously powerful car, excellently setup with probably the best manual peddler in the southern hemisphere. Thus it was sure to go well.......but I would still like to see it run at a more 'genuine' weight out of interest.

3. Mr DeeJay.....do you think you could have peddled the car faster than Mr Phonsey did the other night in the same trim???

4. I very much like the idea of a weight regulation. at least that brings some fairness into a true class. I agree this record is cam only and it was excellent of GMM to post up the specs and weight of the vehicle, which indicates a great deal of honesty. Who sets up the weight rules in these classes???

This is all fascinating stuff....and I think we should keep at it to ensure this topic of debate is brought to some sort of conclusion.

Rgds,

Leatherman

[STATIE]

Some of the comments on here crack me up.:rofl:

Who do you think sets the rules for the couple of hundred internet nerds with fast LSx cars on this and other similar sites and all the LSx workshops out there?
Any f@#king body that puts their hand up - thats who.:lol:

How can you compare weights when there are pov pack SV8's and ute's racing in the same classes as SS's, fully loaded HSV's Stato's and calai's etc.

Who determine's what is a "street car" or what is "streetable" when some people think that a spooled 4.11 diff, 244/248 cam, headwork, 4000rpm+ stall, button clutch no interior etc etc is their version of "streetable".
Personally my 240+ solid cammed 4400 stalled and full spooled H&C ute is quite streetable "TO ME". Would it be to "YOU"?
I've driven my car with slicks and front runners to Calder before - does that mean they are street tyres?


This car ran the times posted with the mods listed.
Either way it is the first "cam only" car to run a 10.

If someone else runs a 10 "cam only" with a different set of mods - kudo's to them.

BUT this one will always be the first.



Basically it's "He who dare's wins" - They dared and they won. Anyone else could have done the same mods and had a crack at it if it was so easy, why didnt they?

Cos it isnt that damn easy, thats why.:nopity:



Personally some of the recent weight stripping mods getting around are a bit too extreme for me - especially when you hear of people putting perspex windows in and stripping Grange's to run a number etc - but if they want to go to these extremes to gain some kudo's and freely state that they have done it - good on em.
Im just too lazy to go that far.:yup:

[Phonsy]

Hey Mark
Weigh your car on corner weight scales as most Goverment or steel scales read in 20kg increments. Not accurate for small vechiles.

The 35 kg of fuel you want to add is a bit much.Holden do not weigh the car with over 1/2 a tank of juice. That means you ran your tank with the gauge showing well over half. Most people get away with 1/4 tank and our weights claimed are DRY weight. We did not add the fuel weight.

What time did you run with the car as is and the fuel level that high?

Well done on your efforts.

Cheers Phonsy






VOLUNTEER WANTED ......
For Monday afternoon, I've attempted to phone the Government weighbridge at Rocklea but appears to be unattended today ( Sunday).....
I'll leave the car untouched from last night with the one exception of replacing the fuel used for the trip home....the car requires an absolute minium of 35 Litres in the tank due to the 1.5 sixty footers and the unmodified factory fuel system ..to avoid fuel starvation at the top end.

What I need is an impartial witness to observe the car is weighted exactly as its run on the track......any volunteers....a cold :beer: in return for your troubles... ....in truth I'm just as keen to obtain the data as everyone else… as I believe I'm packing substantially more weight than my Interstate counterparts as pic will show…taken on Sundays Cannonball 21st May…


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[LS1UTE]

Great post statie, totally agree.

As you said this is the FIRST cam only car to run in the tens, something other people were trying oh so hard to do. :lmao:

I thought the whole point of drag racing is to go as fast as you can with what you have. Go by the saying "run what ya brung". As many people have stated there is no set class for cam only and im sure most people would be happy to go by the rules - if there was some.

I feel sorry for the guys on here that go and run a good time and then get flamed and scrutinised by people that are not even close to them. :mad:

BTW - how many runs would bennas car have done in "cam only" guise?

[acexr8]

Next time Phonsy you should call the thread

"First 10 sec Cam only pass with weight taken out"

so the people who don't like this don't have to read it.

Cheers Craig

[Quadcams]

Awsome effort guys, go the manuals!:thumbsup:

[VYSLED]

Next time Phonsy you should call the thread

"First 10 sec Cam only pass with weight taken out"

so the people who don't like this don't have to read it.

Cheers Craig

Are there any weight restrictions? :weirdo:

[acexr8]

If you read all the posts here you will see my point....:weirdo:

[GHZ28]

Mark,

I will be around the Sumner Park area Monday afternoon, live in that area, so could meet you if you like, Rocklea not being too far.

Also, we balanced the Doorslammer today on a set of Lonsdale corner scales, and they will still be at Sumner tomorrow, in fact we will have them until after the Winternationals. I will see if it would be possible to get them set up for you. Doesn't take much to set up, but they are not mine, so not my place to say. Give me a ring on 0418 645940 sometime Monday and I will see what we can do.

ps.....I am the one that did the DVDs of the runs for you.

Cheers,

Garry




VOLUNTEER WANTED ......
For Monday afternoon, I've attempted to phone the Government weighbridge at Rocklea but appears to be unattended today ( Sunday).....
I'll leave the car untouched from last night with the one exception of replacing the fuel used for the trip home....the car requires an absolute minium of 35 Litres in the tank due to the 1.5 sixty footers and the unmodified factory fuel system ..to avoid fuel starvation at the top end.

What I need is an impartial witness to observe the car is weighted exactly as its run on the track......any volunteers....a cold :beer: in return for your troubles... ....in truth I'm just as keen to obtain the data as everyone else… as I believe I'm packing substantially more weight than my Interstate counterparts as pic will show…taken on Sundays Cannonball 21st May…

[markone2]

Hey Mark

The 35 kg of fuel you want to add is a bit much.Holden do not weigh the car with over 1/2 a tank of juice. That means you ran your tank with the gauge showing well over half. Most people get away with 1/4 tank and our weights claimed are DRY weight. We did not add the fuel weight.


Cheers Phonsy

The 35 Litres was what I aimed to weigh it at so as to keep the car as it races....while many get away with 1/4 of a tank, I need that much fuel to avoid starvation at the top end....with 1.50 launches on an absolutely stock tank / pump and lines I don't see any way around this other than upgrading to a custom tank / pump etc.....I simply thought it fair to weigh the car exactly as I run it to establish its true weight.......If I ran a small custom tank then I would not include petrol.....however I'm quite happy to weigh the car minus fuel...:)

[markone2]

Mark,

I will be around the Sumner Park area Monday afternoon, live in that area, so could meet you if you like, Rocklea not being too far.

Also, we balanced the Doorslammer today on a set of Lonsdale corner scales, and they will still be at Sumner tomorrow, in fact we will have them until after the Winternationals. I will see if it would be possible to get them set up for you. Doesn't take much to set up, but they are not mine, so not my place to say. Give me a ring on 0418 645940 sometime Monday and I will see what we can do.

ps.....I am the one that did the DVDs of the runs for you.

Cheers,

Garry


QUOTE]


Garry.....VXleather has arranged to meet me at my place Monday afternoon..1.30 / 2 o'clock aprox for a trip over to the Rocklea Station...is it possible we could meet around that area...this way we would have the benefit of two independent weight measures......Thanx Mark H.......ps.....top DVD :)

[VYSLED]

If you read all the posts here you will see my point....:weirdo:

Just asking the question buddy no gripe. I'll ask again..... Are there any weight restrictions?????:spew:

[Martin_D]

1. Mr Street Tuna......the power outputs you say at GMM.....they are truely awesome. No denying that. What dyno do they use out of interest???

They use a Dyno Dynamics....and back it up with 129mph... :)
Whats your point Leatherman? 200rwkw and 104mph? sure. It all adds up :)
Go that fast, then try and call them out. Until the refer my post re sooks :lol:

[Little_Lord]

I saw this car on the dyno back at the Adelaide Holden vs Ford show. Absolutely amazing amount of power. It also showed great manners in its driving. Lets not forget this car did also make the journey to Adelaide full of gear for the GM Motorsport stand. That is streetable.

[seldo]

Some of you blokes down south are very thin-skinned about all this, using inflamatory words like "knockers", "whingers", "sookies" and "flaming" etc. Certainly from my point of view and from all the other Qld posts that I have read, to a man we applaud the effort in achieving this time. And congrats to GMM in laying it all on the table for all to see. But is it not permitted to comment on what is a fabulous effort by passing comment on the massive weight reduction? No-one is trying to belittle the effort, but just remarking that it is difficult for most to relate it to their own miserable efforts because of the weight disparity. As someone else said, it would be interesting to see just what that engine/set-up would do in a standard-weight car/ute.
And again, so some of the delicate egos who leap to the defence of these guys are not bruised, congratulations to Phonzie, DJ, Benna etc (and anyone else I missed). It is an outstanding effort....(for a balsa replica...:) ) :stick: :)

[Leatherman]

They use a Dyno Dynamics....and back it up with 129mph... :)
Whats your point Leatherman? 200rwkw and 104mph? sure. It all adds up :)


My point was to be that we all know how different dyno's give different power readings, e.g. Dyno Dynamics, v Dynolog, etc, etc. I am a keen advocate of the timeslip and terminal velocity through the traps as my real guide. 129 mph is very quick.....no question about that and once again I'll congratulate GMM, as I have throughout this thread.

Sorry - don't get the 200rwkw and 104 mph.......not quite on your wavelength it would seem....please ellaborate????

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Martin_D]

Sorry - don't get the 200rwkw and 104 mph.......not quite on your wavelength it would seem....please ellaborate????
Rgds,
Leatherman

Please, dont try crocodile tears (couldnt be fscrewed reading all your posts), just go back and make the car fast. Now you have a bencmark to work too, there is your goal. Its 10.6 something @ 129. Thats how he eats. :)

[Leatherman]

Please, dont try crocodile tears (couldnt be fscrewed reading all your posts), just go back and make the car fast. Now you have a bencmark to work too, there is your goal. Its 10.6 something @ 129. Thats how he eats. :)


What an arrogant person you are Mr Tuna....your reputation certainly does precede you. Still I will not sink to your level.....

If you must know my goal is the to do well in the next street series at Willowbank, not the CAM only record. But please do me the honour of explaining the comment of 200 rwkw @104mph....are you trying to say that the only way to get high ET mph is lots of power......

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Martin_D]

If my arrogance is accepting GM Motorsports achievement, then so be it. I can live with that. Its on a timecard, not a fantasy, nor a 'woulda if I coulda'. You ppl with your jacks and spare wheel sob stories are a disgrace :)
Have a nice day :thumbsup:

[pagey]

Great effort Deejay & Co.. damn quick.

RE the associated BS..

Did it run the time = YEP
Is it in street form = NUP
Did they claim it to be = NUP
Did they tell us all the mods/weight = YEP.

Case closed.

[Leatherman]

If my arrogance is accepting GM Motorsports achievement, then so be it. I can live with that. Its on a timecard, not a fantasy, nor a 'woulda if I coulda'. You ppl with your jacks and spare wheel sob stories are a disgrace :)
Have a nice day :thumbsup:


Your arrogance comes from thinking you know what others are trying to accomplish....as I said I am not trying to have the CAM only record.....am baffled where you got that from.

I do accept GMM's achievement......in fact I think I was the first to reply in this thread and congratulate them.

I think there is no doubt that a question over weight is relevant in this thread. As others have said we could get lower times still depending upon rolling chassis type, etc. Still I think narrow-minded individuals such as yourself are quite unable to embrace the foundation of internet forums such as this, which is debate and discussion in a constructive manner. Really we need to steer away from any fishy comments..........wouldn't you agree???

Anyway, I think we should try to get back onto topic if we can.

You have a nice day too Mr Street Tuna.

Kindest regards,

Leatherman

[Martin_D]

Your arrogance comes from thinking you know what others are trying to accomplish....

My arrogance is from seeing the GM Motorsport achievement. I know these guys, have dealt with them for ages, and to see a bunch of keyboard warriors try and pull them into tow after they have posted an official result simply riles me. Ok, so thats my weakness, I am wrong. Now is your chance to show some respect :)

[Oztrack Tuning]

Its a great result however its not over yet.
My calculations show that in similar conditions and the same weight Markone2s car would run about 0.18s quicker....the question is can it get that light and can a car in qld run the time when the Calder weather was exceptional.

My car could run at that weight and conditions about 10.80/125mph. But i dont have the resources to make my car that level of racecar.

No knocking intended - here just some discussion.

[RIDE:42]

Can another car at that weight do that time or better? feel free to try but you will be still 2nd :lmao: if if if if if if if if if :nopity:
WELL DONE TO ALL THE RIPPIN AND GRIPPIN CREW

[Oztrack Tuning]

You are right Jamo
it was the first and we have been at Markone2 to lighten his car for a while!

With all of the LS1s doing awesome times - how must the other newer car brand owners be thinking. We have really seen some LS1s on the map in the 10s and 11s this year.

A few more deeper into the 11s today at WSID and one harrop SC stock cammed car in the 11.4s.
Adam VXLS1 did 11.77@114mph with a 1.56 60ft in a 1660kg with driver stock cammed unopened vehicle (if i recall right)

[Martin_D]

My car could run at that weight and conditions about 10.80/125mph. But i dont have the resources to make my car that level of racecar.

Can we see it? Was sposed to run 11.4 @ 120 after the heads, but 10.8 @ 125 would be worth looking out for :)
The resources would be a screwdriver and a socket set? If so, my shout :) :lol:

[Oztrack Tuning]

Its simple its the gain 500lb and 13 degrees C would give me.
You are a smart man Martin calculate it.

It did 11.509 at DA of 619 feet today and 117.4mph at 1645kg. Ready to do 11.3- on a good day now and 118-

[Martin_D]

Its simple its the gain 500lb and 13 degrees C would give me.
You are a smart man Martin calculate it.

Smart enough to know its easy said, and harder done :)

[Oztrack Tuning]

Thats very true. Might not hook up proportionally as well etc. Certainly would need slicks.

[ratter]

With all of the LS1s doing awesome times - how must the other newer car brand owners be thinking. We have really seen some LS1s on the map in the 10s and 11s this year.

A few more deeper into the 11s today at WSID and one harrop SC stock cammed car in the 11.4s.
Adam VXLS1 did 11.77@114mph with a 1.56 60ft in a 1660kg with driver stock cammed unopened vehicle (if i recall right)



As a owner of a car from the other brand, I personally have no problem with these guys lightning their cars to run the times, they are doing nothing that any owner with a little time, some hand tools and a little bit of knowledge can do.
I ran my ford unopened, but removed tailgate, exhaust, fitted a padded recaro seat and used a 3500 histall and 4.1 gears, I did not weigh the car at this weight, but I guess it was still approx 1700 kg with no driver, as I weighed it previously as I was racing it and it was 1820 kg. The car in this configuration has run a best of 11.763 and 116.18 mph
Also as an owner of the other brand I'm not worried about the times either, because of just over a year of our edit being out, we are allready close to your unopened times.

Competition will help both brands go ahead and it should also help to give some of the other LS1 owners a target to aim at, as said earlier a little time, somes tools and some knowledge any other LS1 owner can get done to the same weight as the GMM guys, then you could compare results.

Again, well done to the GMM crew

[Phonsy]

We all know you like your maths puzzles .:lol:

But to do the puzzle correctly you need valid data.

Were did you get the weight of the other car as it has never been properly weighed or declared.

Just put in another fudge figure on the data to work out your ever so accurate drag strip time.

Keep out of thread if you are going to quote invalid data or I will ride every puzzle you ever post.:diddy:

Would not want reck the rep you have for your puzzles.





Its a great result however its not over yet.
My calculations show that in similar conditions and the same weight Markone2s car would run about 0.18s quicker....the question is can it get that light and can a car in qld run the time when the Calder weather was exceptional.

My car could run at that weight and conditions about 10.80/125mph. But i dont have the resources to make my car that level of racecar.

No knocking intended - here just some discussion.

[Oztrack Tuning]

No knocking intended. You really reacted when you didnt need to.
Ofcourse its a good achievement - amazing how people cant and dont want to discuss anything here.

Or participate in some friendly rivalry. Markone2s car seems to be superior.
You are meant to take that comment as if its a rival footy team - not react like a child :flame:

This is in the Drag Racing discussion section - not in a sponsors area - so nobody owns the thread.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Make it 1660kg and see what it will do - IF - you think the maths is bullshit.
I know Marks car is heavy as i cant even convince him to do the simple things i have done.

[MNR-0]

Good on ya GMM. This is workshop rules here - not daily driver rules. So everyone can get stuffed. At this level, its only the workshops that can...

a. afford to do this
b. willing to do this
c. wear the fame when it happens

So good on ya Phonsy. Serious results there.

Martin, they use a DynoLog last time I was there...

[Phonsy]

My reaction is to how can you calculate an equation without the data.
Seems like you are just trying to stir up trouble between camps. If not , then so be it.
We are very Happy with our real World results.

Cheers Phonsy

[Phonsy]

Thanks Grant
We do use a Dynolog but Martin has seen this car run up on a Dyno dynamics.



Good on ya GMM. This is workshop rules here - not daily driver rules. So everyone can get stuffed. At this level, its only the workshops that can...

a. afford to do this
b. willing to do this
c. wear the fame when it happens

So good on ya Phonsy. Serious results there.

Martin, they use a DynoLog last time I was there...

[Oztrack Tuning]

I was discussing - but then you were react and labell me troublemaker.
We have been told the weight and i have seen the weather data for victoria.
Marks car is light i have talked to him plenty about it - you are the one who doesnt believe people.

Its friendly rivalry - nothing to react about.

I predicted cars could do this well over a year ago - if made light. Cool that people have now done it and it will be a very hard act to follow anywhere else. For one i doubt anywhere can get the the density altitude at the track that you are getting with racing so late in the night. Only workshops can afford to strip a car that light - so its very hard to compete and make a challenge. But thats fine.

What i suggest is just discussion. Not everything is about workshops and advertising.

[ratter]

Why is it only workshops can afford to strip cars????

[Oztrack Tuning]

I suppose people need to be able to drive the cars around and get them to the track without transporters. LS1s are an expensive way to get into the 10s or 9s. Much cheaper to do it a heap of other ways in a non- daily driver.

So i guess it does come down to money.

Otherwise i would drive a Porsche to work and keep the LS1 in the shed for the next meet and transporter out the front.

But as i have said already this 10.64/129 is a great achievement - in fact its world class.

Its number 2 in the World
It ONLY has this car in front of it

A Z28

Platform: f-body
Block Type: LS1 aluminum
Block Notes:
Cylinder Head Type: Stock LS1
Cylinder Head Notes:
Bore: 3.890
Stroke: 3.620
Displacement: 346.000
Camshaft: LG Juggernaut cam
Intake: Stock
Exhaust: Dynatech 1 3/4 headers/ Dual Borla XR-1's
Transmission: Automatic
Transmission Notes: TH-400
Vehicle Race Weight: 2950
Power Adder Type:
Power Adder Notes:
Dyno results: 413/436 (29
Suspension: Qa-1's,LG LCA's, BMR everything else

Note the weight - its 1337kg which is even lighter.

60 foot 1.381
330 foot 4.150
1/8 mile 6.499 @ 103.670
1000 foot 8.549
1/4 mile 10.295 @ 128.480 MPH

Additional information about this run:Air Temperature 41
Barometer (in. Hg.) 29.77
Density Altitude -110
Humidity 40

[VZLAD]

Sorry but after reading post after post and only being a rather stocker with an ls1 I get the feeling that really all this posting is all about is for those big guns in the field of ls1/2 companies to boast and promote thier company by claiming this and that with MONEY. The normal family car person doesnt usually have the time nor money to go out and record a big time slip nor have they got the time to drive to a meet, strip down thier cars then put the bits back on to drive back home again. This big deal about driving the car to meet and drive it back home is crap especially if the car was stripped down to make better times and claim it to be a streetable time ?.. I'm not saying it was done in this thread but wankas do keep on placing rediculous statements how oh it was in street trim and drove it back home.. CRAP...

If two cars had exactly the same power with the same driver (lmao) one car stripped the other didnt I know which car I would find more respect for. havign said that its how I am though. I like the little battler.:evil:

How bout setting up a link just for the Sponsors and big time car specialists so they can brag off to themselves section :woohoo:

[solid]

A great achievement Phonsy :D

Quite a heated debate here which I love reading :lmao:

I may aswell add my 2 cents worth. Your acheivement is sensational and nobody has taken that away from you. To be honest no one would be foolish enough to belittle your achievement. The main debate here is stemming from the 'streetability' of your time. You never posted that the car was run in full street trim and your honesty about weight etc is a credit to your team. I doubt your time will be surpassed in a hurry :dance:

For the average person, obviously not a workshop, we see the lightening and stripping of a car as something that the average Joe will NOT do. Only those out to break a record will be concerned about stripping a car to its undies. When we see a record broken such as you have done, and credit to you once again :), we feel as though it is just that, only a TRACK RECORD and as far as streetable times are concerned, it holds very little importance to the everyday street driven LS1 owner.

Just my opinion, keep up the good work GMM :D :D :D

[vyssls1]

Anyway enough of the crap ' Well done on the 10's pass'
If only some people know just how hard it is to run a fast time.

The whole debate just lives on about race weight, go back a little and the whole debate went on with Big Shauns car, and Higgins car. Where credit was given to both for there achievements.

In all the posts from GM motorsport they did release all the information on running this time. They didnt state that the car did have full weight.

Anyway going on this debate, we all know a 6k stally is not street driven, nor is a clubsport a drag car, when you could have a executive, but hey thats life.

My opinion a street driven warrior is no seats removed, just a spare tyre and jack removed if you wish.

But this isnt the class they were going for.

Phonsy hope the little one is ok, and keep up the good work.

[chops]

Congratulations on the milestone.

I have always been of the opinion that cars run what they run, in the trim they raced - as long as no-one tries to hide anything, it's all good.

kudos to all involved.

chops

[Martin_D]

I still dont get whats expensive about these 'BIG MONEY' workshops doing a cam only job on a car, then bolting the interior out and exhaust off (free?) :confused:
Its a race track, you go there to race....if street trim, spare wheels, and weighbridge tickets are so important I would suggest an excursion to some of the CAMS regularity trials or similar :)

[Martin_D]

Steam engine rallies are also a good look for full street trim. Notice the two spares on this humdinger, but the specially lightened drag wheels for the perfect 'stance' :)
http://www.ray-cats.demon.co.uk/erec/458.jpg

[VooDoo]

R&D Tuna. Takes time, experiance and patience. Something Phonsy and the boys have invested in and has paid off. Its the same thing you do with the GenT/TT/T1000 to produce a quality car. You have said yourself, anyone can bolt-on some bits and run a time, it comes down to the right bits, the right pit crew and support.

[Dee Jay]

Sorry but after reading post after post and only being a rather stocker with an ls1 I get the feeling that really all this posting is all about is for those big guns in the field of ls1/2 companies to boast and promote thier company by claiming this and that with MONEY. The normal family car person doesnt usually have the time nor money to go out and record a big time slip nor have they got the time to drive to a meet, strip down thier cars then put the bits back on to drive back home again. This big deal about driving the car to meet and drive it back home is crap especially if the car was stripped down to make better times and claim it to be a streetable time ?.. I'm not saying it was done in this thread but wankas do keep on placing rediculous statements how oh it was in street trim and drove it back home.. CRAP...

If two cars had exactly the same power with the same driver (lmao) one car stripped the other didnt I know which car I would find more respect for. havign said that its how I am though. I like the little battler.:evil:

How bout setting up a link just for the Sponsors and big time car specialists so they can brag off to themselves section :woohoo:

Tiga i think you will find that there are very few true Sponsors Cars Running the big times , Most of them are people like you the average bloke on the Forum, BUT they are competitive!!!

Most Work shops have a Customer who cant spend enough money to get their car fast. Those shops are only to happy to look after them as they are premoting thier Business, very logical:D

As for money spent to get a time -
Cost to get more power out of an engine to run a time ?
Answer - how deep are your pockets.!!!


Cost of removing weight to get a time ????

Answer - How dedicated are you the the cause!!


Hey and for those that dont have the time to strip the car just take it to your local Prison im sure they have some experts with time on thier hands :lmao:

[Tez82]

Well done on the time, who knows that cam only can acheive a 10 sec pass...

However I agree with some here, these car's pulling crazy times ie bolt on 11.2 sec and cam only 10.6 sec pass arn't your normal Ute or Commodore.

Once you start to strip the car or replace items ie fibreglass bonnets/doors etc, there is no doubt that it becomes a purpose built drag car... So why don't you chuck a cammed LS1 into a kart that weighs in at 900kgs and run a 9sec pass :p

In my eyes what difference does it make at the end of the day....

Tez

[Dee Jay]

... So why don't you chuck a cammed LS1 into a kart that weighs in at 900kgs and run a 9sec pass :p



Tez
Mate im about to bolt the LS1 into my go kart when its ready you can drive it , infact ill pay for the airfare to get you down just to watch it happen.:goodtime:

Yes you will run a 9 sec PASS , thats about how long it will take for you to PASS your bowls through your clacker when you start the thing up.:booty:

[Phonsy]

Please Note

This car has all metal panels , full glass operational windows , carpet ,standard bonnet etc.

We are one of the few people that have weighed there car properly with corner scales.

If you have perspex windows and light weight bonnets on a ute it will weigh in the 1200 plus kg range.

[Tez82]

Mate im about to bolt the LS1 into my go kart when its ready you can drive it , infact ill pay for the airfare to get you down just to watch it happen.:goodtime:

Yes you will run a 9 sec PASS , thats about how long it will take for you to PASS your bowls through your clacker when you start the thing up.:booty:
See there we have an ideas man :D hehehe

What ya are you doing to the engine Dee Jay?

[Dee Jay]

See there we have an ideas man :D hehehe

What ya are you doing to the engine Dee Jay?
Tez with 30kg of kart and wheels and 120 kg of Engine and trans no work required :headbang:

[APS Fston]

Congratulations boys on getting a cam only into the 10's. Its good to see you guys getting on the bandwagon and stripping weight off the car.
As for the knockers, it is cheaper for most customers, once their workshop has selected and fitted a camshaft, to remove weight then to remove the camshaft and try a different profile or other modifications to acheive a time, which is in this case 10 seconds. Most workshops, including ours spend a lot of unpaid time on cars removing seats, tow bars, tailgates, etc just for the joy of seeing the customer grin from ear to ear when they pick up their time slip. All of our customers have their cars put back to what could be better condition then when we pulled them apart. We change the oil and filter free of charge before and after drag racing, we offer loan diffs, 3.9 or 4.11 mini spools, and where possible we may even have ET radials or slicks to lend.
As for workshops needing to brag amongst themselves.......Most of these records have been made by customers and its a shame to take the shine away from them. I don't care that people try and take the shine off workshops, us big boys can handle it. At the end of the day, this is an informative forum where we discuss all things LS1. I wouldnt call it bragging, just sharing with Holden fanatics our experiences and acheivements.

[markone2]

VY 1 SV8 Stock
Kerb Weight 1566kg
Tare Mass 1609kg
Towing Braked 2100kg

First posted gross weight of LRC was 1660KG on original alloys…..allowing for the current weight reduction mods of 40Kg the car weighed in right on target imho....*1620kg* Gross..

1/ Passenger seat ……20KG
2/ Rear MT’s Nill
3/ Front runners 15x4 Pursuit Rims with Nankang Tyres 165x15R… 15KG
4/ 8” Converter aprox 5KG
5/ Air Box Mods Nill….Air Intake and filter never removed from car
6/ Front Grille removed..not enough weight to count

The 35 Litres of fuel was reduced to 25L

Government weigh bridge was used.. so weight could go 10KG in either direction…..this being the only weight scales approved and regulated by Department of Consumer affairs ……..1620KG

http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529143022.PB%20290299.jpg
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165456.100_1457.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529155419.DSC00887.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529154219.DSC00895.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529150619.DSC00886.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165447.100_1455.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165438.100_1461.JPG

and for the folks at home...a little Cam only drag racing nostalgia ..still alive and kicking today...commonly referred to as the humble exhuast
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060420190115.DSC00820.JPG

[seldo]

Well...Golly gee whizz Jethro....:bravo: Dang and dagnabbit!!! That's as close as you can get to being what you said it was all along...:thumbsup:

[markone2]

Well...Golly gee whizz Jethro....:bravo: Dang and dagnabbit!!! That's as close as you can get to being what you said it was all along...:thumbsup:

with a video of the complete weigh in procedings on its way :)

[seldo]

with a video of the complete weigh in procedings on its way :)
Better get on that there telegraph and tell them good ol' folks down south in Mexico that you bin sledgin' all along...;)

[310gen]

Now thats what I call street trim.Minus the 6000rpm converter:stick: Well done mate on going through with it and doing what you said you were going to do.11.1 at that weight, I am very impressed.

[BigJim]

This car is genuinely street trim and at 1620kg really goes to show how good the setup it must have to run its time. So with driver it would be around 1700kg. You cant really say this is a lightweight car now can we.

Imagine if you had a fuel system and run on better fuel and a tune to suit better fuel you would be into the 10s with a car this weight

Good work mark 10s arent far away

[STATIE]

I think all you Queenslanders have got this thread wrong.

It's not about Markone2's car and how heavy/light/streetable/nonstreetable it is or isnt.

Its about the first 10 second cam only car in australia.

Maybe you can put up some pretty pictures and video's up in a new thread all about this car.

No doubt Markone2's car is one of the faster cars in Aus - BUT - look at the title of the thread - "FIRST 10 SEC CAM ONLY PASS" thats what it is about.

Piss of and start your own.

[vxleather]

Mark you vids are on the way stupid internet crashed anyway as we thought this car is a fair bit heavier than the car down south add there weather bring this car to there wait and there you have a new cam only record!

But don't worry well do it up here in our temprature anyway.

Shane

[Leatherman]

Looks like it's up to you Markone2 to get the weight down to the same as the 'Happy Days' gang to see whose is faster as it's unlikely they'll be adding weight;) It'll be one hell of an experiment.......

Want a hand Saturday morning taking the car to bits????:D Maybe conditions will also be perfect on Saturday....is that a high pressure I spy on the horizon:idea:

Rgds,

Leatherman

[Tez82]

Piss of and start your own.

Why is there a need for that Statie???

[ratter]

:bravo: I find this amusing, when ford guys mention their cars weight, they are quickly shot down in flames for making excuses, and now some of you are turning on your own and complaining about how the weight or lack of it is unfair to the other guys racing, simple if you want to compete against these guys, do what they do, get of your ar$es and do some work to drop the weight.

Markone2 's time are impressive, but is still a light weight compared to what some others are racing with, and his car would still not be legal to drive on the roads in Vic as presented here, so it is not legally a street car either.

all these what if's are rubbish, the facts are GMM have run the numbers, others like markone2 know what they have to do to catch them, it's up to them if they want to go to that much work to do, but until GMM's time is beaten, they are the quickest cam only and first cam only in the 10's

[Martin_D]

Want a hand Saturday morning taking the car to bits????:D Maybe conditions will also be perfect on Saturday....is that a high pressure I spy on the horizon:idea:
Rgds,
Leatherman

NOW you are talking!
As Big Shaun would say "GET ON BOARD" :)

[Leatherman]

NOW you are talking!
As Big Shaun would say "GET ON BOARD" :)

Good to see we can agree on something Mr Street Tuna:woohoo:

Rgds,

Leatherman

[vxleather]

I think all you Queenslanders have got this thread wrong.

It's not about Markone2's car and how heavy/light/streetable/nonstreetable it is or isnt.

Its about the first 10 second cam only car in australia.

Maybe you can put up some pretty pictures and video's up in a new thread all about this car.

No doubt Markone2's car is one of the faster cars in Aus - BUT - look at the title of the thread - "FIRST 10 SEC CAM ONLY PASS" thats what it is about.

Piss of and start your own.

Don't worry statie us qld and most other folk around australia can identify with this car as being a street car that can be drag raced.

Maybe you should start your own thread jenny craigs wait loss for cars!:moon:

[BigJim]

How about we look at stripping the following off markone2s car. This will certainly allow for some quick times. Are you keen Mark.

Remove all doors
Remove boot
Remove all bumpers
Remove front gaurds
Remove bonnet
Pop the front windscreen out
Pop the back window out
remove dash completely. Leave wiring only
Remove all the carpet and maybe hoodlining as well


Are we allowed to go this far. What do you think. Will willowbank let it race

[Martin_D]

The disagreement was never about how much power Markone2s car made...its obvious it makes plenty, but rather an incessant desire to apply to street trim as some kind of odd martyrdom.
Now the gloves are off, strip the beggar to the absolute bone, go out and smash a 10.5, then the records back in safe keeping. Its a race track, race on it. Keep the spare wheel for the street :)
(Wish this tinpot state had a drag strip....... :( )

[Tez82]

Maybe you should start your own thread jenny craigs wait loss for cars!:moon:

LoL love that Shane :p thats gold :thumbsup:

[MNR-0]

C'mon Mark. Strip her. Bet she looks sexy running a 10.5s pass.

I agree with Martin. Race at the track, keep street trim for the street. You can't run 11.1s in the burbs now can you. :nono:

Go fast or go home. :burnout:

And... there are lots of fat people a lot faster then me. :yup:

[RIDE:42]

Just for the slow people the name of the thread is First 10 sec Cam only pass not how heavy is the second best (maybe :lmao: )

[vxleather]

Just for the slow people the name of the thread is First 10 sec Cam only pass not how heavy is the second best (maybe :lmao: )

so i can a bolt a ls1 cam only into my grandfathers uni-cycle for lets say a 5 sec pass and claim that as being the fastest cam only ride:42 what da ya think? or would it need some interor and maybe another wheel or 2!

[Oztrack Tuning]

I think this discussion of weight gives the Victorian car credibility. Most people you tell wont believe it unless you tell them the weight and do the maths. Its such a good achievement - just like when Deejay did his 11.57. :driving:

Corrected to weight though as best you can with the drag calculators - it seems to indicate that at the same weight Marks car would kick its butt.

But thats probably a win for hi-stalled autos over manuals.;)

[RIDE:42]

so i can a bolt a ls1 cam only into my grandfathers uni-cycle for lets say a 5 sec pass and claim that as being the fastest cam only ride:42 what da ya think? or would it need some interor and maybe another wheel or 2!
first you would need half a brain
then give credit to the people that were first to get off there ass and do something and stop haveing a sook about what if this and that :hmmm:

[Phonsy]

Dry weight of high 1500kg range then. My bottom dollar is still safe.
Your car is pictured with the driver s seat in and grill etc?Was it weighed with or out these items?
The weight certificate pictured looks to read in 20kg increments. Scales like these used are normally used to weigh 20 to 40 tonne trucks.
You do not run a PT over the radiator anymore?

Only true way to mearure you weight would be at the track on the return road after your run.

Either way well done on your effort.
Now if you want to find out if it is really as fast as Big Benna's car get to work and stop all the fuss.

BTW .As stated earlier the we ran 11.12 at approx 1615kg with driver earlier this year with less power and a crappy 1.64 sixty ft.




VY 1 SV8 Stock
Kerb Weight 1566kg
Tare Mass 1609kg
Towing Braked 2100kg

First posted gross weight of LRC was 1660KG on original alloys…..allowing for the current weight reduction mods of 40Kg the car weighed in right on target imho....*1620kg* Gross..

1/ Passenger seat ……20KG
2/ Rear MT’s Nill
3/ Front runners 15x4 Pursuit Rims with Nankang Tyres 165x15R… 15KG
4/ 8” Converter aprox 5KG
5/ Air Box Mods Nill….Air Intake and filter never removed from car
6/ Front Grille removed..not enough weight to count

The 35 Litres of fuel was reduced to 25L

Government weigh bridge was used.. so weight could go 10KG in either direction…..this being the only weight scales approved and regulated by Department of Consumer affairs ……..1620KG

http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529143022.PB%20290299.jpg
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165456.100_1457.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529155419.DSC00887.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529154219.DSC00895.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529150619.DSC00886.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165447.100_1455.JPG
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060529165438.100_1461.JPG

and for the folks at home...a little Cam only drag racing nostalgia ..still alive and kicking today...commonly referred to as the humble exhuast
http://photothingo.com/users/1006/20060420190115.DSC00820.JPG

[Little_Lord]

There is only one 10 sec cam only car at this stage. Until there is another lets forget all the if's, but's, maybe's and if only's. Go run the time THEN, and ONLY THEN should people speak of it.

[ratter]

Corrected to weight though as best you can with the drag calculators - it seems to indicate that at the same weight Marks car would kick its butt.




Well there's one way to prove it and we will be congratulating him on his acheivement if it happens, but until then it's congratulations to GMM for being the quickest "cam only" and the first 10 sec "cam only"

[JRGRANGE]

Some of the comments on here crack me up.:rofl:
How can you compare weights when there are pov pack SV8's and ute's racing in the same classes as SS's, fully loaded HSV's Stato's and calai's etc.


Basically it's "He who dare's wins" - They dared and they won. Anyone else could have done the same mods and had a crack at it if it was so easy, why didnt they?

Cos it isnt that damn easy, thats why.:nopity:



Personally some of the recent weight stripping mods getting around are a bit too extreme for me - especially when you hear of people putting perspex windows in and stripping Grange's to run a number etc - but if they want to go to these extremes to gain some kudo's and freely state that they have done it - good on em.
Im just too lazy to go that far.:yup:


Statie why have a dig at the above two cars that ran the times, neither cars have hidden modifications or weights or what was removed from the cars

I walked past Lyns car as you would have mine at the NATIONALS and found that infact Heathcote had your interior as supporter seats

Im not hidding the fact that I took my pass seat out when I did my PB.

GM Motorsport havn't hidden any of their facts and thats why it is a credit to all involved to get the car to run 10s

[STATIE]

Why is there a need for that Statie???


Because I dont think that any of you Queenslander hero's would like it if the table's were turned.
ie: IF any of you keyboard warriors ever did anything of consequence and people got on here and shot hole's in it. Not that thats very likely with the exception of Markone2.

Nevertheless - if you blokes want to continue being ignorant pricks - keep bagging away at someone elses efforts and prove to everyone else that is exactly what you are.


Excuses is all I see.
Get off the keyboard and do something for once in your lives.

If Mark had have ran a 10 cam only first - I would have been on here congratulating him. Unfortunately for him, he didnt - and I am on here congratulating BigBenna instead.

Deal with it.

Even if someone runs a 10 cam only tommorow - they will still be the second person to do it.

If you wanna race "street" cars - better pull the 6000rpm stallies, cams, heads and exhausts off and run stockers. Maybe buy a hyundai.

[Sonnymad]

Because I dont think that any of you Queenslander hero's would like it if the table's were turned.
ie: IF any of you keyboard warriors ever did anything of consequence and people got on here and shot hole's in it. Not that thats very likely with the exception of Markone2.

Nevertheless - if you blokes want to continue being ignorant pricks - keep bagging away at someone elses efforts and prove to everyone else that is exactly what you are.


Excuses is all I see.
Get off the keyboard and do something for once in your lives.

If Mark had have ran a 10 cam only first - I would have been on here congratulating him. Unfortunately for him, he didnt - and I am on here congratulating BigBenna instead.

Deal with it.

Even if someone runs a 10 cam only tommorow - they will still be the second person to do it.

If you wanna race "street" cars - better pull the 6000rpm stallies, cams, heads and exhausts off and run stockers. Maybe buy a hyundai.

Greg were you holding a GTS cam in ur hand while u wrote this ? :lol:

[pagey]

Hey!!! Was i the only one that saw this..lol


http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Pageys-Gallery/q.sized.gif

Just jokes Mark!
Guys - to Marks credit.. he hasn't entered into any of the woulda coulda shit.. just stated his times, his weight etc.. very factually.

Mark is a big boy - he does not need a mouthpiece - I'm sure he is quite capable of stating his own views, objectives etc.. best let him do the talking about HIS car eh?

[vxleather]

Guys - to Marks credit.. he hasn't entered into any of the woulda coulda shit.. just stated his times, his weight etc.. very factually.

Mark is a big boy - he does not need a mouthpiece - I'm sure he is quite capable of stating his own views, objectives etc.. best let him do the talking about HIS car eh?[/quote]

Nothing wrong with a little encouragment though Mr Pagey, best way to respond i suppose is to post a time slip with 10.** @ 120+ mph. This seems to be Marks way factual talk and factual time slips.

Ps must stir the pot a little no good just simmering away there you know.

[VooDoo]

Because I dont think that any of you Queenslander hero's would like it if the table's were turned.
ie: IF any of you keyboard warriors ever did anything of consequence and people got on here and shot hole's in it. Not that thats very likely with the exception of Markone2.

Nevertheless - if you blokes want to continue being ignorant pricks - keep bagging away at someone elses efforts and prove to everyone else that is exactly what you are.


Excuses is all I see.
Get off the keyboard and do something for once in your lives.

If Mark had have ran a 10 cam only first - I would have been on here congratulating him. Unfortunately for him, he didnt - and I am on here congratulating BigBenna instead.

Deal with it.

Even if someone runs a 10 cam only tommorow - they will still be the second person to do it.

If you wanna race "street" cars - better pull the 6000rpm stallies, cams, heads and exhausts off and run stockers. Maybe buy a hyundai.

LOL Statie, where is the love? You know what this place is like, anything and everything anyone does is desected, analysed and used to help their own agenda's. Other ppls acheivements are used for humour, redicule and as an excuse for there own abilities. Some ppl are oversensitive too, reading some of the posts here where ppl have congratulated GMM, Danny and all involved but asked legitimate questions have been called knockers when there was nothing at all in it. Marks efforts are questioned because of his wieght but he takes the time to get it weighed and he is still the bad guy. He hardly even posted.

The funniest thing is the actual ppl involved (phonsy, danny, markone2) dont have any issues with each other. its the minions and wannabe's on the sidelines that cause 99% of the shit on this forum.

[VYSLED]

Thats debateable :argue:

[STATIE]

Love?

You know I hate all you c0ckroach/cane toad or whatever you QLDer pricks are.:D

[Phonsy]

Good post Voo Doo
We are very good friends with the PT boys.
I suppose emotions can run high and threads get mis read etc.
The fact is we have two very different cars but a lot of people trying to compare them.

Both cars are very fast but we can only compare them if / or when they run at similiar weights.

We have weighed our own cars on large weigh stations only to find they usually read heavier. EG we have seen some one that weighed 80kg read 100kg on this type of scales.

Cheers Phonsy



LOL Statie, where is the love? You know what this place is like, anything and everything anyone does is desected, analysed and used to help their own agenda's. Other ppls acheivements are used for humour, redicule and as an excuse for there own abilities. Some ppl are oversensitive too, reading some of the posts here where ppl have congratulated GMM, Danny and all involved but asked legitimate questions have been called knockers when there was nothing at all in it. Marks efforts are questioned because of his wieght but he takes the time to get it weighed and he is still the bad guy. He hardly even posted.

The funniest thing is the actual ppl involved (phonsy, danny, markone2) dont have any issues with each other. its the minions and wannabe's on the sidelines that cause 99% of the shit on this forum.

[Big Benna]

Hi all,

Cant believe the lengths some people have gone to just to get there own 2 cents worth, now here's mine.

To all the people who have supported us my thanks go out to you. To all the people that have trouble finding anything good to say about the achievement maybe you should spend more time on trying to get the best from your cars and less time trying to analyse, calculate and stir.
As has been said many times in this thread we have been the first to achieve a 10 second cam only pass.
All i wanted to do when i took the car to the track was get the best out of it and see just how fast it could go. If this meant that weight had to be removed from the car then this is what had to be done. (Dont see any rules that dont allow me to do that)

Never was trying to claim a STREET TITLE!! Last time i checked Calder Park Raceway was a race track. Maybe I will take some more weight out of the car and see if i can get it going a little faster again. Hope that doesnt cause as much bs as this thread has.

To Markone2 we dont know each other but it sounds like you just want to get the best from your car too. Keep trying for that ten second pass, Im sure it is only around the corner hope you get there soon.

My greatest appreciation is for Phonsy at GMM for allowing me to treat his workshop like my own, allowing me to work on my car at any time and also for the countless hours and hours of his own time he has spent trying to get the best results out of my car, not only in the tuning but also in every other aspect of getting the car setup for going fast at the racetrack.
Also thanks heaps to DeeJay for the being the fast ripshifting pilot, you sure know how to peddle a car.

All in all i'm bloody happy to claim the title of the "FASTEST CAM ONLY LS1" and owning the first "CAM ONLY LS1" in this country to achieve a ten second pass.:booty:

Thanks again

BIG BENNA

[YIIR8]

lol.....everyone needs to settle down (especially that wa@ker statie), nothing wrong with Qld mate :love:
There is NIL and will not be, ANDRA sanctioned (in the foreseeable future) bracket racing for LS1/LSx's.:teach:

While I'm on a tangent about bracket's, I've seen cars sit at the tree having a few revs after it goes green (for go), then launch, meanwhile the other car is halfway down the track:p then claiming quickest this and that....try cuttin' a .400 light and "actually" winning the farken race ;)

Still, it's an awesome effort for an ls1 powered car, but when it comes down to it......not streetable, not daily driver and not driven there and home in it's guise, so in all honesty, means fark all to me IMO (no, I'm definitely not chasing any of these "pretend records")

[APS Fston]

Some of the comments on here crack me up.:rofl:

Who do you think sets the rules for the couple of hundred internet nerds with fast LSx cars on this and other similar sites and all the LSx workshops out there?
Any f@#king body that puts their hand up - thats who.:lol:

How can you compare weights when there are pov pack SV8's and ute's racing in the same classes as SS's, fully loaded HSV's Stato's and calai's etc.

Who determine's what is a "street car" or what is "streetable" when some people think that a spooled 4.11 diff, 244/248 cam, headwork, 4000rpm+ stall, button clutch no interior etc etc is their version of "streetable".
Personally my 240+ solid cammed 4400 stalled and full spooled H&C ute is quite streetable "TO ME". Would it be to "YOU"?
I've driven my car with slicks and front runners to Calder before - does that mean they are street tyres?


This car ran the times posted with the mods listed.
Either way it is the first "cam only" car to run a 10.

If someone else runs a 10 "cam only" with a different set of mods - kudo's to them.

BUT this one will always be the first.



Basically it's "He who dare's wins" - They dared and they won. Anyone else could have done the same mods and had a crack at it if it was so easy, why didnt they?

Cos it isnt that damn easy, thats why.:nopity:



Personally some of the recent weight stripping mods getting around are a bit too extreme for me - especially when you hear of people putting perspex windows in and stripping Grange's to run a number etc - but if they want to go to these extremes to gain some kudo's and freely state that they have done it - good on em.
Im just too lazy to go that far.:yup:

After reading through a lot of these posts, they all keep coming back to the same thing. Removing weight is the next step to improve times. There have been a lot of workshops in the past saying thay want to equal the LS1 times in the states, including your tuner Statie. And the discussions have gone along the same lines, lighten the cars. Most tuners are getting very similar results with customer cars on the street and on the track, and the people that think they are ahead of the next guy in leaps and bounds are just kidding themselves and their customers. For the few workshop R&D vehicles and customers that go to the next level to try and break records, hats off to them, because we all know the time and effort it takes.

Statie, Jays grange had the front seat removed and he got this idea after seeing your car with the front seat and rear seats removed.

Its easy to do the sums and realise that some of these times the heavier vehicles have claimed are hard to believe, and thats a fact.

As for us, we are over the weight issue, and we will do what we can for our customers to achieve great results on the track and on the road.

As for you "street legal" posters, I should have a dyno/roadworthy day. I think the roadworthy side of things will be much more interesting.

As a matter of interest Statie, what does your maloo run?

[Tez82]

All in all i'm bloody happy to claim the title of the "FASTEST CAM ONLY LS1" and owning the first "CAM ONLY LS1" in this country to achieve a ten second pass.:booty:



Mate well done but your not the fastest cam only LS1 ;) check out the US forums etc :rofl: ...

[STATIE]

After reading through a lot of these posts, they all keep coming back to the same thing. Removing weight is the next step to improve times. There have been a lot of workshops in the past saying thay want to equal the LS1 times in the states, including your tuner Statie. And the discussions have gone along the same lines, lighten the cars.

Yes - I realise the only way to match the Yanks is doing this. But it's only for the dedicated.




Statie, Jays grange had the front seat removed and he got this idea after seeing your car with the front seat and rear seats removed.

My missuses Stato has NEVER had more than the jack, spare & spare tyre cover taken out of it EVER.




As a matter of interest Statie, what does your maloo run?

Best of 11.201 so far and best of 123.xx mph - I'll get better.
Have to to match these bolt-ons and cam only's.:lmao:



But thats not what this is about - its about the first 10 sec cam only. :burnout:

[yella terra]

Awesome result! Well done to all involved:headbang:

[LS1UTE]

Mate well done but your not the fastest cam only LS1 ;) check out the US forums etc :rofl: ...

And have you seen the weight of that thing? Don't see too many people having a whinge about that do you?

Real racing is not STREET racing.:stick:

[Dee Jay]

Can we please have at the Nationals next year the following class.

HEAVIEST AND SLOWEST LS1

Imagine how much fun that would be, a 16sec @ 84MPH wow the thrill of such a run would be :woohoo:

Its all about how QUICK YOU CAN GO weight in or out .:burnout:

Remember not that long ago we had the comical situation of people claiming fastest black ute , then fastest red sedan with gold rims etc etc

Its about the SPEED

And for all you Mark minions it is YOU who have dragged him into this:yup: not us Racers from Mexico who just love going faster no excuses.:evil:

[VooDoo]

LOL danny, Im having a REALLY good go at the heaviest and fastest LS1 record, for nothing else but FUN.

The first 10 is a great effort regardless of weight, colour, location, air temps or whatever. Hopefully ill be the first barge to run one :D

[Dee Jay]

LOL danny, Im having a REALLY good go at the heaviest and fastest LS1 record, for nothing else but FUN.

The first 10 is a great effort regardless of weight, colour, location, air temps or whatever. Hopefully ill be the first barge to run one :D
Be carefull Mr VooDoo you just used the word FIRST that could get you into strife:stick:


As for the FUN aspect i hear you :love2:

[NickS]

Well done Phonsy, Dee Jay, Big Benna, GMM & everyone else involved.

You set the car up, you stated everything you have done without trying to hide anything and you ran the time. Top job.

:cheers:

[NickS]

LOL danny, Im having a REALLY good go at the heaviest and fastest LS1 record, for nothing else but FUN.
Careful VooDoo ... I reckon I'm going to go close to the same thing, but you have the unfair advantage of 2 extra doors and a real boot !!!

I think you need to strip some weight to make it fair ... ah crap, now I'm just confusing myself :confused:

:lol:

[VooDoo]

Or i can just drive your car.. that will add another 100kg easy :D

LS1 Nationals 2007, Heavyweight championship!! Who's in???

Deejay and Benna can have the flyweight class :stick: hehe




















its a JOKE boys... shhhheeeesh

[Justice R8]

Or i can just drive your car.. that will add another 100kg easy :D

LS1 Nationals 2007, Heavyweight championship!! Who's in???

Deejay and Benna can have the flyweight class :stick: hehe


its a JOKE boys... shhhheeeesh


Put me in the boot and see how it goes!!:eek:


I missed this thread somehow. Well done Phonsey, DJ, Benna and the rest of the team. Great work. You have put in the effort and got the result.

[RedVYIISS]

Put me in the boot and see how it goes!!:eek:

Fair go Justice, it's only a Barge boot after all. :confused:

Sees mental picture of 10 blokes standing around the Barge, each with a shoe horn trying to squezze 'bits' in, with another couple of blokes sitting on top of the boot lid trying to close the lid!!! :1peek:

[VooDoo]

I think we would need a ute :)

[NickS]

I wasn't sure which car he was talking about at first ... but he sure as hell isn't fitting in my boot so he must mean the barge !!

[Oztrack Tuning]

Just had an idea that a business could supply a drag racing PB service.
They could charge to seriously lighten the car for the race day and get the car in race trim then transport the car to the track and then afterwards put it back the way it was. I would be interested in a service like this.

However i just thought of one issue. At most meets you would get 1 chance at the time and that would be it. PLUS the track would not take kindly to such a blatant willingness to go under what are Track Rules 11.00s. At WSID this could lead to a ban of more than just that car in that state. They could ban the driver returning again Full stop. Its one thing to edge under 11.00s without the car meeting ANDRA requirements its a much bigger issue going knowingly a long way under.

Just food for thought. It seems the only place this level of record can be attempted is at Heathcote??

[Justice R8]

Fair go Justice, it's only a Barge boot after all. :confused:

Sees mental picture of 10 blokes standing around the Barge, each with a shoe horn trying to squezze 'bits' in, with another couple of blokes sitting on top of the boot lid trying to close the lid!!! :1peek:

You're just sitting back thinking about touching my Fabio like body!:)

OZ track

I remember a Nos powered ls1 running constant 10.9 10.8's and then came back a couple of weeks later and ran a 10.53 splattering a gearbox all over the track all without a cage. They havent been banned so I dont see it being as big of a problem. Run light and you run the time you get to take it home.

[WLDLS1]

well done phonsy and the crew. i was out there racing and was very impressed.

[dadem0n]

Ive been in Sydney for 5 days and look what happens :lol:

Congratulations on the time. Very quick indeed.

I think we all need to encourage markone2 to have a crack at:
"LRC - THE FINAL FRONTIER, THE LIGHTENING" :p

Then LRC2 can come online :banana:

BTW, who is claiming this record? GMM for building it, DeeJay who ran the time, or Big Benna who paid for it (I think)?!? :confused:
Was Big Benna at the track when "his" car ran the record?!? :confused:

[vxleather]

has anyone else done 700 passes?

Must be recoed some where titled:

"10 sec Cam only minimum 700passes on a budget":teach:

[Dee Jay]

BTW, who is claiming this record? GMM for building it, DeeJay who ran the time, or Big Benna who paid for it (I think)?!? :confused:
Was Big Benna at the track when "his" car ran the record?!? :confused:
ITs MINE, MINE, MINE!!!!!:flip3: :flip3: :flip3: :flip3: :flip3:





The car cant get down the strip on its own.:lmao:


Yes Big Benna was at the track in fact Ben is at the track as much as the Mayor of Colder, Sly.:diddy:

Ben is the sort of bloke that wouldnt think twice about lending a hand, and like Phonsy calls it like he sees it no B.S.

So if you ask him he will tell you its mine :hide:

[dadem0n]

First in best dressed DeeJay :lmao:

:bow: :bow: :bow:

I wonder how quick it can run without DeeJay? Flat 11? :confused:

[Dee Jay]

First in best dressed DeeJay :lmao:

:bow: :bow: :bow:

I wonder how quick it can run without DeeJay? Flat 11? :confused:

Thats the way i see it :thumbsup:
dont see anyone else claiming it.:banana:

The only reason i got the nod to drive was Ben was worried about only having one pass ( ie 10sec no cage no run) so he wanted it to be to the cars full potential ( may be a tenth still in it:hide: ).

Dont worry Ben can drive :driving: and i have no doubt that he would have run 10.9x at least.

As i have said before it the best package ive driven down the 1/4, combination was spot on, so much so that im gunna lend the suspention package see what my Red Head will do.

Have some videos of the runs ill try and get them posted to morrow.

[HOT LAP]

Congrats guys thats a massive efort great result

[WA VTGEN111]

Thats the way i see it :thumbsup:
dont see anyone else claiming it.:banana:

The only reason i got the nod to drive was Ben was worried about only having one pass ( ie 10sec no cage no run) so he wanted it to be to the cars full potential ( may be a tenth still in it:hide: ).

Dont worry Ben can drive :driving: and i have no doubt that he would have run 10.9x at least.

As i have said before it the best package ive driven down the 1/4, combination was spot on, so much so that im gunna lend the suspention package see what my Red Head will do.

Have some videos of the runs ill try and get them posted to morrow.


Hey DeeJay



Congrats on the driving, think Clinton is going to be scratching his head in awe.


Look forward to seeing the videos.



Cheers
Deb

[Oztrack Tuning]

OK so what do people do now with a car that they cant go back with? What do people plan to do with it - fit a cage in it or retire it.

The rules are there at the track regarding sub 11s - based around the sport of drag racing and safety. Certainly these sorts of records are interesting and certainly worth pursuing BUT the problem is it renders the car unusable track or street. Thats the problem with anyone going under 11.00s - in NSW it means racing in Super Sedan against 70 cars in the competitions with some other cars at 7.0 and 200mph - it means little fish in a big sea to run "only" 10s. Thats why consistency at 11.0s is probably more sportable - in car that gets to drive around the street and is minimum hassle to put into 11.0 shape.

It would be interesting to see what the max weight is a car can be at and still run 11.0s. Closest to street trim wins. But consistency matters. So maybe make the challenge FIRST car to do it 5 times at a race weight of 1600kg. My car could do it at 1500kg but 1600kg would make it convenient.

Interesting to see the best package Turbo, Cam/Heads, SC in terms of consistency and reliability - cost to establish and maintain.

[vyssls1]

OK so what do people do now with a car that they cant go back with? Put a cage in it or retire it.


depends on how serious they are, and if they want to continue, cause once you get down in times for every slight improvement, big cash outlay.

9/10 cars retire

1/10 cars turn into full blown drag cars only.

[Dee Jay]

Hey Oztrack what if someone builds a Statie that runs 11.00 what will you find to have a sook about then as they will be heavier than your car ????

Ah, maybe that a luxury car shouldnt go that fast

Mate you sure you are not a Pom? you sure as hell whinge like one!!

[Dee Jay]

Ok Oz how about this one you seem to be talking about DRAG racing so cheapest consistant would be ,

Cheap old ss ute say a VX with blown motor. $8000
put in VY ls1 with a cam. $7500
TEX RIP Shift $2000
Cage $1500
Take out weight FREE
Trailor $1200
4.11 diff $1600
Zorst $2000

TOTAL $23,800

Thats about the same cost as A new CORROLA and loads more fun:banana:


Time to get it into 10sec trimhow long would it take you to put the trailor on???

Keep your street car a street car cant run 10s or 11s on the road:teach: as you keep telling us.

Looks like we are all idiots:doh: fast cars that we cant drive fast on the roads what were we thinking?

[Leatherman]

Mate you sure you are not a Pom? you sure as hell whinge like one!!


Careful mate with your words......in England we certainly don't tarnish all you aussies (or are you a foreigner as well) with the same brush.

Rgds,

Leatherman

[NickS]

Careful mate with your words......in England we certainly don't tarnish all you aussies (or are you a foreigner as well) with the same brush.

Rgds,

Leatherman
Yea right ... so what is the reason that my sister had to put up with convict jokes every second minute when she was living there :lol:

Bloody whinging poms :stick:

[RED R8]

I think I just ran the FIRST 13.2 second pass for a LS1 with Solahart stickers on ....Thank you all for your help (you know who you are).

[Leatherman]

Yea right ... so what is the reason that my sister had to put up with convict jokes every second minute when she was living there :lol:

Bloody whinging poms :stick:

As all I said.....we don't tarnish all :stick: :moon::lol:
Rgds,

Leatherman

[NickS]

As all I said.....we don't tarnish all :stick: :moon::lol:
Ummm ... I think you do !! Now stop your bloody whinging !!! :lol:

Dee Jay Funny ...

[Oztrack Tuning]

Why react your self like a sook Deejay....this is not based in jealousy - its based out of respect for the track rules.

The FACT is the track rules have to be broken to do this sort of record. Some tracks will ban people for that NOT just give them a holiday with that car. WSID will no tolerate it - call them and ask !

Its not about my car. Its about doing actual real drag racing within the rules. Also about having pissing contests about things that are actually worthwhile.

I agree that racing in full street trim makes no sense - but also so does racing below 11s in cars flagrantly outside the rules. You got 2 runs even - against the rules. Most other states would never let a car get more than 1 chance and im telling you management will not be happy to see any car flagrantly go under 11s.....the leeway is that it can be done accidentally.

To qualify to run under 11.00s - you need cage harness firesuit and all the other extras. The car needs to be andra certified. Then you can take it on the trailer and race it every meet and get some good use out of it. Otherwise it is a one race wonder.

[seldo]

I like to watch..:eyes:

[Oztrack Tuning]

Funny how people judge all discussion based on perceived jealousy or endorsement of workshops or advertising and bragging. ....this is a school yard way of thinking.

I would be happy to see lots more cars going faster and having fun. Somethings are just academic - no emotion attached at all.

[Dee Jay]

There is no emotion just frustration at the fact that the car ran the way it did and you keep coming up with all manner of put downs ever so subtle but there none the less.

Ie what will he do with the car now as it wont meets the rules and regs,etc he cant drive it any more . and this concerns you how???


Oh and an answer to my suggestion of a cheap consistant racer????

[Oztrack Tuning]

Deejay you take me wrong - It was a good achievement - its number 2 in the World. FULL STOP.

But further comment is just discussion of issue surrounding such a run based on track rules and also based on meaningful competition. Calculations make it obviious that weight can help people do big breakthroughs like this and may inspire more to do the same - and it might also inspire others to be satisfied with what they have achieved at the weight they keep the car at. This is not knocking anyone.

None of it was meant to be a putdown. Its just not a level playing field for comparison thats all. The weight makes it hard to compare - when competitions of any kind occur they need to be based on some sort of commonality - OK the cars are LS1 and OK they have stock heads and are NA. BUT thats all thats common. - its like a Sumo and a Jockey. Both are good both are human. ......but this record is good enough for no.2 in the World "Cam only LS1" - BUT we could put an LS1 in a dragster.

Any good tuner will basically get these engine to perform the same given the opportunity. There are only so much that can be changed in the tune and then its all down to the shopping list and the weight.

But i suppose we get tied up in spats over comparisons when really we cant compare the cars as they are all quite different - because people want to try different things.

I think someone could copy Big Bens car and do similar or Markone2s car and do similar. That would be fun to see. Its what forums like these are all about.

[StevieD]

... Its just not a level playing field for comparison thats all. The weight makes it hard to compare - when competitions of any kind occur they need to be based on some sort of commonality


Thing is here- it's only the 'minions' as someone else put it that are comparing and causing drama here.

What is all the fuss about? Can't someone post a timeslip without getting knifed?

This 'cam only' thing is just an internet forum title- NOT an Andra title or whatever that is goverened by strict rules in balck and white.

There would be over 20 million people in Aus alone who have no idea what 'cam only' means.

Markone2 and Big Benna have done stuff to there cars. And run them at different tracks. They have posted their times and car details. That's all.

That's all there is. They both have cars with an LS1 motor with no headwork but a lumpy stick shoved in. That's all. Good on both of them that's f***ing fast!

[RedVYIISS]

Fantastic effort guys..... but Oztrack has a point. Where to now?

What are the plans for this ute? It'd be an achievement to go after the Yanks but that'd mean cage and all the rest. Do you plan on having a go?

Cheers.

[SSBarney]

Conratulations Danny,
I'm sorry to have seen your acheivement be attacked by people that HAVE NOT ACHIEVED the same.

Deejay you take me wrong - It was a good achievement - its number 2 in the World. FULL STOP.
Exactly! if its so bloody easy why havent more than 2 people in the world done it.



But further comment is just discussion of issue surrounding such a run based on track rules and also based on meaningful competition.
Meaningful competition! You dont think achieving a first in Oz, and a 2nd worldwide isnt meaningful competition?


Calculations make it obviious that weight can help people do big breakthroughs like this and may inspire more to do the same - and it might also inspire others to be satisfied with what they have achieved at the weight they keep the car at. This is not knocking anyone.

Weight isnt everything, there are plenty of cars trying to acheive this so if it was just that simple it would have been acheived. Most of us know that, and that is way we are congratulating DJ, Phonsy and Ben.

OZtrack if someone wants to announce that they have acheived a cam only 10 within Andra rules then that will be great for them.

Danny never claimed that, the claim was FIRST CAM ONLY, nothing else was claimed:flipoff: And most importantly the whole car setup and weight reduction was disclosed.

Why not stop attacking others achievments that take a lot more work and dedication than you are prepared to put in.

Barney

[STATIE]

The FACT is the track rules have to be broken to do this sort of record. Some tracks will ban people for that NOT just give them a holiday with that car.

Its not about my car. Its about doing actual real drag racing within the rules.

To qualify to run under 11.00s - you need cage harness firesuit and all the other extras. The car needs to be andra certified. Then you can take it on the trailer and race it every meet and get some good use out of it. Otherwise it is a one race wonder.


Nah - we got Heathcote only about an hour from Melton and you don't need any of that fancy stuff there.:driving:

Racing every Sunday.:p

[JHP1]

Why is it that so often when someone posts a time someone else has to bag them or pick the eyes out of it or GIVE SOME LAME EXCUSE AS TO WHY THEYRE SLOWER. Usually this role seems to be taken by oztrack TOOL! Theyve been upfront about whats been done to the car and its weight stop moaning :moon:

P.S. Phonsy Ben Deejay top effort said it before and I'll say it again Phonsy You The Man AAAAAAYYYYYY!

[Oztrack Tuning]

LOOK!!!!!!!! Some of you are bitter and reactive - this is no attack on the car - the driver - the workshop etc.
Its not based in jealousy......its just discussion - this car has done a time so fast - that without some analysis many would not believe it is Cam only.

Im not knocking anyone and people who think otherwise are acting like morons.

[dadem0n]

Can we see it? Was sposed to run 11.4 @ 120 after the heads, but 10.8 @ 125 would be worth looking out for :)
The resources would be a screwdriver and a socket set? If so, my shout :) :lol:

Off topic for a minute....... :stick:

Street_Tuna,
How can I remove 2-300kgs with a screwdriver and a socket set :confused:
This is a legitimate question, not an attack!

What can you strip off these cars to get the weight down in a sedan? I ran outta ideas after emptying the boot and removing the seats :stupid:

[Martin_D]

Do what Markone2 has done and empty out the complete interior....... :lol:

[Oztrack Tuning]

Tuna
This thread is not about my car - but since you have commented - mine just last weekend ran 11.509/117.4 in 19 deg temp - at 1645kg raceweight. 1.558 60 footer. So it has pretty much done what i claimed it would. Comparably cold weather and a little less weight say 1600kg and its in the 11.3s maybe high 11.2s

If i could trim 200kg off it and put it back together to drive it to work the next day i would do this and run a 11.0/122

[Martin_D]

Tuna
This thread is not about my car - but since you have commented - mine just last weekend ran 11.509/117.4 in 19 deg temp - at 1645kg raceweight. 1.558 60 footer. So it has pretty much done what i claimed it would. Comparably cold weather and a little less weight say 1600kg and its in the 11.3s maybe high 11.2s

If i could trim 200kg off it and put it back together to drive it to work the next day i would do this and run a 11.0/122

Who was talking about you? :confused:

[Oztrack Tuning]

You wrote this
Quote:
Originally Posted by Street_Tuna
Can we see it? Was sposed to run 11.4 @ 120 after the heads, but 10.8 @ 125 would be worth looking out for
The resources would be a screwdriver and a socket set? If so, my shout

>>>>>>>>>>>
Trouble stirrer as usual. Ready to knock - not so ready to swallow it when someone proves you wrong.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Statie
Its good that the cars owner can use it at Heathcote.
We dont have that luxury up here - i am certain a car that is set to run well under 11s at WSID would get severe long term marching orders.

So i cant see this record ever being beaten in NSW.

[Martin_D]

Trouble stirrer as usual. Ready to knock - not so ready to swallow it when someone proves you wrong.

Oz, come back when you have run 10.8 and more importantly 125mph...its only 10mph away...surely you can calculate that from a (borrowed from Dick?) tune or an internet searched equation? :lol:

Remember, you are the one that claimed 125 was easy....your post :lol: :lol: :lol: :cool:

[Little_Lord]

Oztrack - Maybe you could help the guys out with deciphering a bit of hex code on the L76 PCM, considering, you are a tuner after all.

[dadem0n]

Do what Markone2 has done and empty out the complete interior....... :lol:

The only thing he empties is his glovebox and console :stick:

:love2:

Seriously I dont see how you can strip the weight without a holesaw :doh:

[Martin_D]

Hang on didnt he post about taking the passenger seat out? and then when he went to weigh the car have stuff on it different to when it was at the track? :confused:

[dadem0n]

How would I know? :limpy:

I just wanna know how to strip MY car with a screwdriver and a socket set (NOT a drill set) :D

[Oztrack Tuning]

Seems like some people are posting after they have had a few.

[dadem0n]

Hang on didnt he post about taking the passenger seat out? and then when he went to weigh the car have stuff on it different to when it was at the track? :confused:

Youve gotta admit, he was the only bloke with the balls to drag his car down, throw it on a weighbridge and post the weighbridge certificate when his car was questioned! :deal: