Webber in Monaco

[HazzaHSV]

F**ken F-o-r-d engines!!! Webber was looking for easy top 3, maybe better. But no, the bloody track marshals loose all their blue flags when Webber is trying to lap traffic and so he is stuck up the ass of someone for 3 laps, then the bloody engine blows up when the blue flags finally come out!!! :(

[Devil CV8]

I was disgusted at that point and went to bed. was looking good before that

[NickG1982]

Sadly, that seems to be the story of Mark's F1 career. Hopefully, that'll silence some doubters on the level of his skill though, there's no way that the Williams should be anywhere near the front of the field, so to run with and look very threatening to Renault and McLaren is a fine effort.

[SCOTTR8]

i felt about as pissed of as mark:cussing: the marshalls must of fallen asleep for a couple of laps.

[QIKMIK]

Is the man cursed or what? I had a quick look at the live timing on f1.com at around lap 43, saw his lap and sector times and went to bed with half a grin just thinking of what might be.... alas engine dramas. Yesterday on RPM, they said Williams had done something like 27000km of testing. Lot of bloody good that's done! Maybe they should run the car for an extended period behind some slow traffic (like another Williams car maybe ;) ) to test the engine reliability under real life conditions.

Next time perhaps.

Mick

[VX2VESS]

I was disgusted at that point and went to bed. was looking good before that

so did i, finally it was looking good till that point.

wonder if the motor blew due to that hold up, then Mark getting the shits and overreving it to make up time when he got past the renault finally, then the next car he came up on quickly and pop (musta pushed it too hard) ?

hopefully they still put in a protest over the holdup with blue flags.

[HazzaHSV]

I ended up watching the rest but was disgusted also. At least Webbers and my town "Queinbeen" in "Queensland" got a mention. :lmao:

I would say the engine blowup was definately related to him being stuck there, but how much longer would it have gone? Who knows but you would hope it could hold up in that situation.

so did i, finally it was looking good till tha point.
wonder if the motor blew due to that hold up, then Mark getting the shits and overreving it to make up time when he got past the renault finally, then the next car he came up on quickly and pop (musta pushed it too hard) ?
hopefully they still put in a protest over the holdup with blue flags.

[VX2VESS]

Mark Webber - Retired
Quote:
I am very disappointed of course, it felt like we deserved something today, but reliability has let us down. There is no rewind button and all the hard work we did over the last few days is invisible now. We were quick here, I was going a lot longer than Fernando in the second stint and Juan-Pablo wasn’t really a threat, so the podium was there. Aside from the start, when I got on the brakes a sniff late into Ste Devote and lost the place to Kimi – who was on new tyres - it was an hour of running at qualifying pace and I just had a bit more to go and it would have been a great result.

[Brendan]

Reports were of an exhaust failure which burnt through engine wiring.

Flavio Briatore from Renault had some good things to say about Webber after the race (although as his manager, you'd want him to), maybe Renault is an option if Williams don't pick up his option.

[VX2VESS]

Reports were of an exhaust failure which burnt through engine wiring.

Flavio Briatore from Renault had some good things to say about Webber after the race (although as his manager, you'd want him to), maybe Renault is an option if Williams don't pick up his option.

found that info:

Renault team boss Flavio Briatore sung Australian Mark Webber's praises on Sunday after the Williams driver had a podium finish snatched from his grasp in the Monaco Grand Prix.

"Webber was more surprising than anybody, he did an incredible job," said the Italian, who manages Webber and is looking for a replacement for Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso next year.

"Today, the shares in Mark go up. It's like the stock market. It was down and now it is up again," he told Reuters.

"Frank (Williams) has the option but I'm pretty much sure that Webber is a good driver. If he has the right car. Today he was very good."

Webber is coming to the end of his second year at Cosworth-powered Williams, who have yet to exercise their option to keep him.

The Australian was on course to repeat his third place in Monaco last year after lining up on the front row of the starting grid and racing at the same pace as Alonso and McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen.

His race ended after 48 laps with an exhaust failure when hot gases burnt through wiring looms.

With Raikkonen retiring shortly after, Webber would have been on course for second place had his car proved more reliable.

"Obviously bitterly disappointed," said Webber, who feared it could be a while before he had another chance to shine in such a fashion.

"It's a one-off, this track is unique," he said. "In Barcelona we finished a lap behind and in this race we were strong.

"We've got to fill in the holes on the golf course that we're weak at and there are still plenty of them out there...we've got to get to the flag, that's the biggest thing that we've got to work on.

"There is no rewind button and all the hard work we did over the last few days is invisible

http://www.f1community.org/Home/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/550/RenaultsBriatoresingsWebberspraises.aspx

[ShakeyCan]

Nearly cried in Melbourne along with the rest of the crowd when Webber's car pulled the pin. Same again last night. Maybe the Jags weren't that bad afterall.............
:)

[HazzaHSV]

Don't worry about the Jags, the Minardi wasn't this bad!!! :lmao:

Nearly cried in Melbourne along with the rest of the crowd when Webber's car pulled the pin. Same again last night. Maybe the Jags weren't that bad afterall.............
:)

[Devil CV8]

At least Webbers and my town "Queinbeen" in "Queensland" got a mention. :lmao:

Yeh, had a laugh at that. Doesn't explain why its so cold here then... shouldn't it be warm if "Queinbeen" is in Queensland

[Mickey T]

F**ken F-o-r-d engines!!! Webber was looking for easy top 3, maybe better. But no, the bloody track marshals loose all their blue flags when Webber is trying to lap traffic and so he is stuck up the ass of someone for 3 laps, then the bloody engine blows up when the blue flags finally come out!!! :(


there is no relationship between Cosworth and Ford.

None.

Not a Ford engine. No Ford technology. No Ford money. No Ford personnel. Nuffink.

Just a plain, old, underfunded Cosworth engine.

and it didn't blow, but i'd hate to be fronting at Silverstone with it...

[FPV GTHO]

Well if you want to get technical about it, it has been highly rumoured the sale of Cosworth from Ford to the Champ Car boys was with a fairly large packet of money to keep the F1 V8 developed, in order to ensure the stability of the future projects. Just like how Jaguar kept developing the R6 knowing the team was for sale.

[HazzaHSV]

I stand corrected but i knew there was a link somewhere... sometime..

Well if you want to get technical about it, it has been highly rumoured the sale of Cosworth from Ford to the Champ Car boys was with a fairly large packet of money to keep the F1 V8 developed, in order to ensure the stability of the future projects. Just like how Jaguar kept developing the R6 knowing the team was for sale.

[HazzaHSV]

Your telling me about the cold. I was coming home from tennis comp tonight and my Intake Air Temp hit 4 degrees!!! haha.. And mate didn't it feel like I had another 50kw!!

Yeh, had a laugh at that. Doesn't explain why its so cold here then... shouldn't it be warm if "Queinbeen" is in Queensland

[RED R8]

With a name like Webber you expect things to catch fire Bwaaaaaahahahaha.

[johno067]

Read a rumour that has been around for a while again yesterday that a swap between Webber and Fisi is on the cards, especially since Webber managed to lap him at Monaco just before his car died in the arse.

[BossV8]

That would be ideal for both Webber and Renault, Mark needs a faster and reliable car and while Fisi has been a great driver, he doesnt seem to be taking advantage of the Renault's strength at the moment like Alonso

Only thing is, will Willams come to the party with such a move?

[seldo]

Just by coincidence, Webber's manager is..........yep - Flavio Briatore - manager of Renault's F1 team. But Williams have another 12 months' option on Webber at present..

[Frankster_P]

Just a question for all :
Would all you people support Webber whatever team he went to?

Personally untill he drives for a team i support i wont.

[FPV GTHO]

Of course i would. I supported him at Jaguar and still do at Williams, and wouldnt stop if he went to Renault.

[HazzaHSV]

Yep me too.. I supported him at Minardi even.. That was the kickstart to his whole career.. fending Salo off for the 5th place at the Aussie GP all those years ago.. in a failing Minardi!! I spose it helps he is from Queanbeyan where I live, and my misses was in his class at high school. I even supported him in the Yellow Pages Formula Frawd!!! Yikes..

Just a question for all :
Would all you people support Webber whatever team he went to?

Personally untill he drives for a team i support i wont.

[FPV GTHO]

I think he had alot of peoples attention before Melbourne though after flipping those Merc's twice in '99

[HazzaHSV]

Yes but that wasn't getting attention in a good way really!! :banghead:
The minardi thing definately was!

I think he had alot of peoples attention before Melbourne though after flipping those Merc's twice in '99

[O5BRKY]

Just a question for all :
Would all you people support Webber whatever team he went to?
.
Yes, his an Aussie in F1, I just wish he would be able to get a reliable CAR!, Renault of Ferrari, would be NICE:bravo:

[monaroCountry1]

So how many times has webber actually retired because of engine or car dramas? I havent been keeping tracks of F1 races and results.

[RedVX2]

So how many times has webber actually retired because of engine or car dramas? I havent been keeping tracks of F1 races and results.
So far

RD1 Bahrain 6th
RD2 Malaysia DNF (Hydraulics)
RD3 Melbourne DNF (Transmission)
RD4 San Marino 6th
RD5 Europe DNF (Hydraulics)
RD6 Spain 9th
RD7 Monaco DNF (Exhaust)

The 4 DNFs have been disappointing because Webber has been in a good position in all of those events.:mad:

[The Nurse]

That would be ideal for both Webber and Renault, Mark needs a faster and reliable car and while Fisi has been a great driver, he doesnt seem to be taking advantage of the Renault's strength at the moment like Alonso

Only thing is, will Willams come to the party with such a move?

Fisi has never impressed me. Best car for the past two years and he hasn't even looked like threatening Alonso. He's a solid point scorer, but he'd never win a championship

Webber and Kovalinen in the Renaults next year would be awesome, but i'd say it'll be more like Fisi and Kovalinen, and if thats the case I'd put money on Heikki being the higher finisher in the championship of the two

[johno067]

Yeah I'd support Webber no matter which team he went to, have done since his F3000 days. As for Fisi staying there, well, there are still 11 races to go, and if he does not pull his finger out, he won't be there next year.

Monaco was an ideal circuit for Webber to show his talent, a technical track, and he did just that. A few more performances like that this year (car fobidding) and we may just see the swap happen.

[QIKMIK]

I'm on the Webber wagon. Can't wait to see him get a few more podiums or even take the top step. Bring on Renault I reckon.

Mick

[Hairybear]

I've always supported Webber especially when he went o/s. It'd be just downright unpatriotic not to!! Was at Albert Park when he scored points for Minardi and the place just went off!!!

Monaco was a major bummer!! The thing about that track is that it diminishes any car advantage and the best drivers rise to it. The cream always rises to the top there.

He's gotta make the move to Renault next year. If he stays in a car that can't win he'll go nowhere in F1 and be just another good driver who could have been a contender.

[johno067]

Problem is Frank Williams has an option on him for his services next year, so basically owns his arse. Hopefully Flav has some clause in there (which I am sure he would have) that could get him out of that.

[maloo_]

Can't Webber build a team around himself as real race drivers do? Lets just put him in the best car at the moment and say he's the championship; I think not. It wasn't that long ago that Renault(Benneton) where s### either! Dont get me wrong I like Mark Webber however; it is far better to put in the hard yards than have it handed to you on a silver platter.

[johno067]

Well I think he is trying to build the team around him, but Williams and Cosworth seem to lack an important ingredient, money. Shuey did that at Ferrari, but they had the mula to do it. Webber has had 4 DNF's this year out of 7 races due to the car not making the distance, not great.

[The Nurse]

Can't Webber build a team around himself as real race drivers do? Lets just put him in the best car at the moment and say he's the championship; I think not. It wasn't that long ago that Renault(Benneton) where s### either! Dont get me wrong I like Mark Webber however; it is far better to put in the hard yards than have it handed to you on a silver platter.


There's three key ingredients there. Money, Manufacturer backing and Flavio Briatore. When Renault left at the end of 97 and the team was taken over by Rocco Benetton, they went nowhere. It's only when Flavio and Renault came back that the results came

[dazzle260]

i wsa wondering what happened to webber. thats a fair kick in the guts for him.

[O5BRKY]

Looking at the footage, he wasn't a HAPPY boy:vpo:

[BossV8]

So far

RD1 Bahrain 6th
RD2 Malaysia DNF (Hydraulics)
RD3 Melbourne DNF (Transmission)
RD4 San Marino 6th
RD5 Europe DNF (Hydraulics)
RD6 Spain 9th
RD7 Monaco DNF (Exhaust)

The 4 DNFs have been disappointing because Webber has been in a good position in all of those events.:mad:

I'll go out on a limb here, yes those races where Webber got DNF's he was nearly always in the top 4 or so. Had he finished those races he might have been an outside chance at a podium for the championship. Monaco last week, he would of got 3rd and 2nd if Kimi still would of retired.

I think once he's in a reliable car with a bit more speed, he'll be in the top 5 contenders for the F1 C'ship

[superoo]

The pain continues for Mark.....
How he remains so calm (on the outside anyway) is beyond me.

Maybe Toyota can deliver better reliability for Williams in the engine department next season.