King Springs advice!!

[bodella]

l'm just in the process of buying some king springs for my SS Thunder ute. l ended up emailing King Springs asking for some advice. They suggested i used KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL-127SSL in the rear. He said it will drop the front approx 30mm and the rear about 50mm. Is this right?? The rear spring part number seems to be what most of you guys have used but the front im not to sure on. VZGEN4 I think you have used this combination on your ute. Do you have any pics?

[Tron2004]

I have KHFL-47SL on the front of my VY and wheels sit 330mm hub centre to guard.

[VZGEN4]

Hey bodella,

I'm spewin, springs haven't gone in yet. My mate was going to put them in today but had too many other jobs on! You have to put up with it when you're not paying I suppose!

In regards to your springs I do have the exact same springs. KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL - 127ssl at the back. I also rang king springs and the guy I was talking to said they will drop the HTG height front and back to 350mm. I have a mate with a VU SS ute and he's got the same springs. His sits great at 350mm centre of hub to gaurd. Looks great and not to low to scrub out on everything.

Only problem is the 127SSL spring rate is softer so trying to tow or loading the back up will scrub. The guy at king springs suggested a KHRL - 45HHD or (46 can't remember) for the back but said the ride would be stiffer. I didn't bother I'll just change the rears if I get into trouble, no big deal.

I did quite a bit of research and these springs seem to be the most commonly used.

At this stage looks like springs are going in next friday (touch wood) so i'll post up some photos then.

Hope this helps!

[bodella]

Thanks VZGEN4,

l don't think i will be loading the back of my ute up too much so i guess i will prob do the same as you and just see how the KHRL 127SSL go. Looking forward to see some photos when you get the springs in! Good luck!!!!

[karter42]

Make sure you shop around for pricing. I spent all morning in town doing the rounds and there was an $85.00 difference between 4 retail outlets.

Dave.

[VZGEN4]

No worries bodella glad to help. Post some pics of yours too mate.

I got a ripper deal. Paid $200 for my springs. Got them from bursons, got put onto a guy there that looked after me.

Shop around for sure the prices can vary quite significantly.

[Wonky]

They suggested i used KHFL-47HD up front
Admittedly mine's a sedan but I (supposedly according to the receipt) have 47HDs on the front of mine and am disappointed with how little they dropped it. See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=49960&page=3 post #32 for before and after pics.

I am happy with the rear (KHRL-46HD) which now has the arch sitting level with the top of the tyre but would like the front the same. Rear is 335mm but front is still 350mm which sounds suss compared to Tron2004's 330mm at the front for 47SLs which the King's catalogue I downloaded from their website says is the correct Superlow spring for utes. According to it Tron2004 should have used 47HD for sedan but looking at his car I wish I had gone with the recommended one for utes of 47SL. Given that I wonder why King's told you 47HD when their catalogue says 47SL......... :confused:

[bodella]

Hi Wonky,

I just had a look at some of the before and after photos of your car. I have to agree with you on the height of the front of your car. But for some reason the standard height of the utes seems to be a hell of a lot higher than the standard sedan height. Maybe this is why the utes seem to drop a bit more in the front than your sedan with those springs. If the ride height of my ute looked the same as yours i would be stoked. Not too low and not too high. As standard the SS utes look like a 4WD. I'm not after that real low look, i just want to close up that big ugly gap between the wheel and the guard!

[BLACK 346]

Hi Wonky,

I just had a look at some of the before and after photos of your car. I have to agree with you on the height of the front of your car. But for some reason the standard height of the utes seems to be a hell of a lot higher than the standard sedan height. Maybe this is why the utes seem to drop a bit more in the front than your sedan with those springs. If the ride height of my ute looked the same as yours i would be stoked. Not too low and not too high. As standard the SS utes look like a 4WD. I'm not after that real low look, i just want to close up that big ugly gap between the wheel and the guard!

Pretty sure the ute would be higher to allow it to carry a load :yup:

[VZGEN4]

Admittedly mine's a sedan but I (supposedly according to the receipt) have 47HDs on the front of mine and am disappointed with how little they dropped it. See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=49960&page=3 post #32 for before and after pics.

I am happy with the rear (KHRL-46HD) which now has the arch sitting level with the top of the tyre but would like the front the same. Rear is 335mm but front is still 350mm which sounds suss compared to Tron2004's 330mm at the front for 47SLs which the King's catalogue I downloaded from their website says is the correct Superlow spring for utes. According to it Tron2004 should have used 47HD for sedan but looking at his car I wish I had gone with the recommended one for utes of 47SL. Given that I wonder why King's told you 47HD when their catalogue says 47SL......... :confused:

Hey wonky,

Just had a look at the catalogue. The 47SL are Super low in the V6's and if they're put into the V8's they're classed as Ultra lows from what I can figure. Obviously because of the extra weight of the V8. Seems rather confusing hey!

As for the 47HD, they are the correct "Super Low" spring for a VZ V8 ute and sedan. If I were to put 47SL in my SS ute it would be classed as ultra low and most likely take it to 330mm.

When I rang King Springs to ask them what Springs I needed I just told them I wanted 350mm hub to gaurd and he just reeled off the super low part numbers KHFL - 47HD and KHRL - 127SSL.

Seems that you're front ride height is spec but the rear has sagged or you've got ultra lows in the back? Have a look at your springs they've got the part numbers printed on them.

Hope this helps!

[Vulture]

I am happy with the rear (KHRL-46HD) which now has the arch sitting level with the top of the tyre but would like the front the same. Rear is 335mm but front is still 350mm which sounds suss compared to Tron2004's 330mm at the front for 47SLs which the King's catalogue I downloaded from their website says is the correct Superlow spring for utes. According to it Tron2004 should have used 47HD for sedan but looking at his car I wish I had gone with the recommended one for utes of 47SL. Given that I wonder why King's told you 47HD when their catalogue says 47SL......... :confused:

Guys I am badly confused. I've got no idea which springs to get. I want to take the SS down from its current 370-375mm hub-to-guard to around 340 or so (if you think this is a good level for a practical road car, Tron2004s SV8 looks superb). Don't want it dumped in the weeds or too harsh on the road and particularly don't want the rear to look lower than the front but need to fix this:
http://static.flickr.com/44/158476199_b82a0c4bdb.jpg
I Have the catalogue in front of me and it states (in the superlow section) that for VZ V8 superlow the part no. are KHFL-47HD and KHRL-46HD. In the top section it states that low springs for a VZ V8 are front KHFL-48, 48HD and 47HDD (V8 "sedan" "sedan sports" and "Clubsport, SS, R8 respectively.)For the rear they are 45HD, 45, 46HD. What does the HD and HDD bit mean? From what I can gather the superlow choices on the catalogue are the same for the "low" part of the catalgue for rear but they use the V6 sedan "sports" springs up front to presumably bring the front down some more. I'm confused and might give Kings a call tomorrow as I am really worried that I'll get an arse-down, front up look which is what I want to avoid at all costs. Wonky, shouldn't the front on yours be 47HDD rather than 47HD?

[BLACK 346]

Guys I am badly confused. I've got no idea which springs to get. I want to take the SS down from its current 370-375mm hub-to-guard to around 340 or so (if you think this is a good level for a practical road car, Tron2004s SV8 looks superb). Don't want it dumped in the weeds or too harsh on the road and particularly don't want the rear to look lower than the front but need to fix this:
http://static.flickr.com/44/158476199_b82a0c4bdb.jpg
I Have the catalogue in front of me and it states (in the superlow section) that for VZ V8 superlow the part no. are KHFL-47HD and KHRL-46HD. In the top section it states that low springs for a VZ V8 are front KHFL-48, 48HD and 47HDD (V8 "sedan" "sedan sports" and "Clubsport, SS, R8 respectively.)For the rear they are 45HD, 45, 46HD. What does the HD and HDD bit mean? From what I can gather the superlow choices on the catalogue are the same for the "low" part of the catalgue for rear but they use the V6 sedan "sports" springs up front to presumably bring the front down some more. I'm confused and might give Kings a call tomorrow as I am really worried that I'll get an arse-down, front up look which is what I want to avoid at all costs.

If you don't want a harsh and unpredictable ride, factor in some aftermarket
shortened dampers. I tried to do it on the cheap first time round by
retaining the 40k old holden dampers and the car handled very poorly.
Best way to describle it would be like a bouncing ball over even the
slightest bump in the road.

[Tron2004]

Guys I am badly confused. I've got no idea which springs to get. I want to take the SS down from its current 370-375mm hub-to-guard to around 340 or so (if you think this is a good level for a practical road car, Tron2004s SV8 looks superb). Don't want it dumped in the weeds or too harsh on the road and particularly don't want the rear to look lower than the front but need to fix this:
http://static.flickr.com/44/158476199_b82a0c4bdb.jpg
Just went down and took a couple pics in the garage...
Have a look at my before and after shots.
There's not a lot of difference I reckon, and even now I sometimes think I should have gone lower on the front.
But overall, I'm happy with the final look.
Be mindful that when you look at your car after having shorter springs fitted, that after a while you may think it should have been lower.

When I had mine done, I didn't worry about spring numbers or codes and stuff.
I just said to the suspension guy that I wanted some short King Springs fitted so that the guards (front + rear) sit just on the top of the tyre. The rest is history.

PS. Please forgive me taking pics of my car when it's in need of a good warm soapy bath...

http://www.users.on.net/~tron2005/Car/DCP_%200006a.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~tron2005/Car/OlymDCP_%20002a.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~tron2005/Car/OlymDCP_%20005a.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~tron2005/Car/OlymDCP_%20010a.jpg

[solid]

Hey mate. What spring codes do you have? Did they let you know when you got it lowered? Your ride height is pretty well exactly what I would be after in my SV8

[solid]

Hey mate. What spring codes do you have? Did they let you know when you got it lowered? Your ride height is pretty well exactly what I would be after in my SV8. Looking at your rear camber, it still looks pretty well 0 degrees :)

[Tron2004]

Hey mate. What spring codes do you have? Did they let you know when you got it lowered? Your ride height is pretty well exactly what I would be after in my SV8. Looking at your rear camber, it still looks pretty well 0 degrees :)
According to the receipt, this is what I ended up with...

FRONT = KHFL-47SL
REAR = Originally they put KHRL-45 but these weren't low enough, so went back and had KHRL-46 installed.

One of these days I might just check the springs to check the code. ;)

As for the camber, well it might look from the pic to be around 0 degrees but I can assure you that it's not. I am going to see what adjustment can be made prior to getting a 2 point kit fitted.

[solid]

Sweet as, thanks for that bro :merry:

[VZGEN4]

Vulture the best thing to do is call Kings... They will point you in the right direction. Tell em what hub to gaurd height you want and they'll give you the part numbers for the springs.

If you read some of the lowering threads some of the guys have spring numbers that are for different models ie putting a spring with a VS part number in a VZ... So go figure!

As for HD and HHD the latter is a stiffer spring rate. I was recommended to steer clear of the HHD cos they would just about knock your teeth out.

Good Luck!

[DUB]

If you don't want a harsh and unpredictable ride, factor in some aftermarket
shortened dampers. I tried to do it on the cheap first time round by
retaining the 40k old holden dampers and the car handled very poorly.
Best way to describle it would be like a bouncing ball over even the
slightest bump in the road.

Agree- but prefer a full strut-coilover change.
If you took out the springs of my Fulcrum coilovers and did the same to the standard FE2 struts the coilovers sit about an inch and a half lower. This means that when lowering the coilovers even to the lowest levels you get more bump travel smoothing out the ride. Also, you never have to endure the dilemma of "I wish I went lower" cos you can just wind them down (or up) to the height you like.

[Wonky]

.......as I am really worried that I'll get an arse-down, front up look which is what I want to avoid at all costs. Wonky, shouldn't the front on yours be 47HDD rather than 47HD?
Vulture, no I think the HDD are just a stiffer spring than the HD but the same height. In fact I seem to remember someone saying on here in an old thread that the HDD were really only recommended for the track.

Even though mine with 47HD front and 46HD rear doesn't sit as low at the front as I would like it has never looked arse-down, front up to me. I'd say it actually sits about dead level or very close to it.

[HazzaHSV]

Vulture, no I think the HDD are just a stiffer spring than the HD but the same height. In fact I seem to remember someone saying on here in an old thread that the HDD were really only recommended for the track.
Correct (that was me that said that). The HDD are "for the purpose built track cars" according to Kings. I have the 47HD front and 46HD rear and they are a great all purpose package (nice ride for the street, and hard when pushed for the track).

[Wonky]

The HDD are "for the purpose built track cars" according to Kings. I have the 47HD front and 46HD rear and they are a great all purpose package (nice ride for the street, and hard when pushed for the track).
Did you change shockers too? I have Dura Sport (shortened) struts on front and KYB shocks (shortened) on rear. Very nice ride, softer than FE2 over bumps but better handling.

[Vulture]

Thanks for the replies guys, will see how I go. Coil overs also on the list.

[HazzaHSV]

Yep Koni Yellow adjustables, love them. Also did adjustable swaybars. Still comfy on the road, but handles like a Porsche now. :thumbsup:

Did you change shockers too? I have Dura Sport (shortened) struts on front and KYB shocks (shortened) on rear. Very nice ride, softer than FE2 over bumps but better handling.

[karter42]

Vulture, no I think the HDD are just a stiffer spring than the HD but the same height. In fact I seem to remember someone saying on here in an old thread that the HDD were really only recommended for the track.

Even though mine with 47HD front and 46HD rear doesn't sit as low at the front as I would like it has never looked arse-down, front up to me. I'd say it actually sits about dead level or very close to it.

I just spoke to King's they said the HD are for the V8's eg: KHFL-47HD and KHFL-47SL are for V6 but do sit a bit lower than the V8 springs.

Just found out as I was placing the order.

So now I have put the order on hold untill I can find out what the majority are using.

Looks like most are using the V6 springs: KHFL-47SL for front and KHRL-46 for rear.

Cany anyone confirm what the are using?

Thanks heaps.

Dave.

[HazzaHSV]

As stated above. The 47HD and 46HD are correct for a V8. The people using the SL up front are to get it a bit lower as they are not a heavy duty spring. If you want looks then the SL sits a bit lower so looks a bit better, but if you want looks and handling then go the 47HD.

I just spoke to King's they said the HD are for the V8's eg: KHFL-47HD and KHFL-47SL are for V6 but do sit a bit lower than the V8 springs. Just found out as I was placing the order. So now I have put the order on hold untill I can find out what the majority are using.
Looks like most are using the V6 springs: KHFL-47SL for front and KHRL-46 for rear.
Cany anyone confirm what the are using?

[Vulture]

Thought I'd give an update. Just got the car back from Powertorque who sourced and fitted my springs for me. The car sits approximately 30mm lower front and rear now with perhaps a little bit more sag to come. It is absolutely perfect to me as I did not want it really low. It rides acceptably with the standard shocks but probably needs a bit more rebound damping, in particular. Will look into some serious shocks soon (Bilstein?).

Part no. are those as listed for V8 Superlow ie. KHFL-47HD and KHRL-46HD.

Check out before and after. To me just perfect. I didn't want a bone-jarring riding show car nor every second cop wondering whether I've got 100mm under it.

BEFORE
http://static.flickr.com/53/158476200_b2e4a96903_b.jpg

BEFORE
http://static.flickr.com/44/158476199_b82a0c4bdb.jpg

AFTER
http://static.flickr.com/44/163372099_7d4078e347_b.jpg

AFTER
http://static.flickr.com/70/163372101_4b1b7bfaa0.jpg

Sorry that angles and lighting are different but you get the idea - I'm rapt! Only negative I see is that I will almost certainly need the rear guards rolled for trips to Willowbank with drag radials on.

[vyssbeast]

looks good mate
i know what you mean about it being low enough without attracting too much attention
nice rims btw

cheers

[VU_SS_UTE]

bodella, whatever you do when you lower your ute, DO NOT get an even set front-rear.

If you go SL in the front go SSL or even SSSL in the rear

The full SL set still has it sitting higher in the back than the front, 70's torana style.

[bodella]

I think the front springs are superlow but what about the rears. The rear part number is as below. Does the SSL mean ultra low or just super low???
It will be interesting to see how VZGEN4 goes with his springs in his ute. They are the same part numbers as the ones kings had recomended to me. I think today is the day his are going in so looking forward to him posting some pics of his new ride height!!!!!!!!




(KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL-127SSL rear)

[Vulture]

bodella, whatever you do when you lower your ute, DO NOT get an even set front-rear.

If you go SL in the front go SSL or even SSSL in the rear

The full SL set still has it sitting higher in the back than the front, 70's torana style.

I realise that the ute might be different than for the sedan but I personally would much rather a slight arse-up-nose-down (nothing sus!) look than an arse-down-nose-up look. Reminds me of an old Kingswood with badly sagged rear springs from doing too much towing.

[Tron2004]

Thought I'd give an update. Just got the car back from Powertorque who sourced and fitted my springs for me. The car sits approximately 30mm lower front and rear now with perhaps a little bit more sag to come.
Hey Vulture, what did you end up hub centre to guard??
Mine is FRONT = 330mm
REAR = 320mm

Took about 3 weeks for mine to settle in.
Not much sag, be lucky if it lowered by another 3 or 4mm

Oh, and the lowest point of my ride is the cats. They're sitting 95mm from the black stuff.

[Vulture]

Hey Vulture, what did you end up hub centre to guard??
Mine is FRONT = 330mm
REAR = 320mm

Took about 3 weeks for mine to settle in.
Not much sag, be lucky if it lowered by another 3 or 4mm

Oh, and the lowest point of my ride is the cats. They're sitting 95mm from the black stuff.

Hi, it is around 340mm rear, 345mm front at the moment. That's good if they don't come down any further as I am happy with it like this. I suppose mine are also less likely to sag as they are the HD type? To me, the car doesn't really looked lowered it just looks "right" (to me anyway), seems to get a lot more looks on the road already!

[VU_SS_UTE]

I think the front springs are superlow but what about the rears. The rear part number is as below. Does the SSL mean ultra low or just super low???
It will be interesting to see how VZGEN4 goes with his springs in his ute. They are the same part numbers as the ones kings had recomended to me. I think today is the day his are going in so looking forward to him posting some pics of his new ride height!!!!!!!!




(KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL-127SSL rear)

127SSL are the older super super lows, they sit a bit higher than 46SSL's but are softer

[VU_SS_UTE]

I realise that the ute might be different than for the sedan but I personally would much rather a slight arse-up-nose-down (nothing sus!) look than an arse-down-nose-up look. Reminds me of an old Kingswood with badly sagged rear springs from doing too much towing.

Hub-guard needs to be less in the rear on both sedans and utes, what I wanted (and what i feel looks best) is the line along the middle of the doors sitting dead level.

[bodella]

Hey bodella,

I'm spewin, springs haven't gone in yet. My mate was going to put them in today but had too many other jobs on! You have to put up with it when you're not paying I suppose!

In regards to your springs I do have the exact same springs. KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL - 127ssl at the back. I also rang king springs and the guy I was talking to said they will drop the HTG height front and back to 350mm. I have a mate with a VU SS ute and he's got the same springs. His sits great at 350mm centre of hub to gaurd. Looks great and not to low to scrub out on everything.

Only problem is the 127SSL spring rate is softer so trying to tow or loading the back up will scrub. The guy at king springs suggested a KHRL - 45HHD or (46 can't remember) for the back but said the ride would be stiffer. I didn't bother I'll just change the rears if I get into trouble, no big deal.

I did quite a bit of research and these springs seem to be the most commonly used.

At this stage looks like springs are going in next friday (touch wood) so i'll post up some photos then.

Hope this helps!

VZGEN4,

Did you end up getting your springs in your ute. I'm just about to purchase mine but was hoping to see how yours looked first??

[karter42]

Thanks to everyone who e-mailed pix with examples of different springs!

Finally made the decision and went for Kings KHFL-47SL for the front and KHRL-46HD for the rear.

atm, the original shocks are still in, the ride is a little harsher but no doubt, it does handle better.

Looks OK as well....

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/karter42/pub1ss1.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/karter42/pub3ss.jpg

Cheers,

Dave.

[Wonky]

Looks great! Wish I'd have gone for the SLs on the front instead of HDs.....

[karter42]

Looks great! Wish I'd have gone for the SLs on the front instead of HDs.....

Thanks Wonky, it was a gamble going for the SLs on the front but i figured they would be easier to sell than the HD's if I did not like it.

Next: A trip to see Sonny for a couple of mods, hopefully only a few weeks away......

Dave.

[BLOWN_VXSS]

Hey Vulture, are they 18's you got?

Do you guys with superlows have probs with 100mm clearance?

[Wonky]

Do you guys with superlows have probs with 100mm clearance?
I understand it's not a problem on VZ and VYII with the high mount cats (mine is fine) but can be on earlier models with cats down low.

[VZGEN4]

I think the front springs are superlow but what about the rears. The rear part number is as below. Does the SSL mean ultra low or just super low???
It will be interesting to see how VZGEN4 goes with his springs in his ute. They are the same part numbers as the ones kings had recomended to me. I think today is the day his are going in so looking forward to him posting some pics of his new ride height!!!!!!!!




(KHFL-47HD up front and KHRL-127SSL rear)


Hey guys haven't been back this thread for a while but here's my ute with the kings in with the above part numbers.

Can't complain with the ride nice and tight but still comfy, no smashed teeth or jarred spine... The ride height is perfect. Haven't scrubbed on anything yet except once on the front bar (damn gutter).

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g185/vzgen4/DSC006481.jpg

[Leroy]

Not much input here from guys with wagons. I have a VYI SS Wagon and I'm confused. The guys at Kings said to go the super lows but a guy from a suspension joint down here in vicco said that would be too low. I think he suggested a ute setting => 48 up front and 127 at the rear.

All your info guys has been great but I would love to here from some guys with a wagon. At the moment I am thinking => 47HD up front and 127SL at the rear. Handling and comfort is more important to me than looks. I do tow a trailer and motor bikes each weekend.

[VU_SS_UTE]

Leroy if you're towing id recommend getting stiffer than the 127s in the rear, probably KH-RL46SSL in the rear, which are a slight bit lower than the 127SSL but are stiffer. And yes the 47HD would be alright up the front.

(Can also change for 46SL above, depends how low you want it...)

[VU_SS_UTE]

Hey Vulture, are they 18's you got?

Do you guys with superlows have probs with 100mm clearance?

I have KH-FL47SL in the front.

Ive got SSSL in the rear now, and that would be well under 100mm.

My old springs were KH-RL46SSL in the rear and that "may" have been over the 100mm just...

[Leroy]

Leroy if you're towing id recommend getting stiffer than the 127s in the rear, probably KH-RL46SSL in the rear, which are a slight bit lower than the 127SSL but are stiffer. And yes the 47HD would be alright up the front.

(Can also change for 46SL above, depends how low you want it...)

Thanks for your advice mate. After more research I have decided to go with 47HD's up front and 127HD's down the back.

[Leroy]

Thanks for your advice mate. After more research I have decided to go with 47HD's up front and 127HD's down the back.

I ended up with the 47HD's up front and 125's down back. The back looks great but the front doesn't look too much different. I hope they bed in a bit and settle a little lower. I think it is about 345mm at the moment.

[VU_SS_UTE]

If you got HDs that'll be cool for towing, the 125/127 SL/SSL etc are a bit soft.

[HOLDON 6LITRE]

Hey gen4,

The Ute looks great!!!

Are your rear springs captive? Ie do they pop out of their mounts when the car is jacked up? As i am looking at lowering the same Ute as you and want to use Kings springs as i used them in my last car and was impresseed with them.

Thanks for your help

[VZGEN4]

Hey gen4,

The Ute looks great!!!

Are your rear springs captive? Ie do they pop out of their mounts when the car is jacked up? As i am looking at lowering the same Ute as you and want to use Kings springs as i used them in my last car and was impresseed with them.

Thanks for your help

Yeah mate the springs are captive... You'll be happy with the kings although if you're looking to tow or load up the back heaps I'd be going for a stiffer rear spring than the 127SSL.

Good Luck!

[stormcr8r]

Hey guys haven't been back this thread for a while but here's my ute with the kings in with the above part numbers.

Can't complain with the ride nice and tight but still comfy, no smashed teeth or jarred spine... The ride height is perfect. Haven't scrubbed on anything yet except once on the front bar (damn gutter).

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g185/vzgen4/DSC006481.jpg

VZGEN4, did you do shockies as well, or just springs? Got these same springs ordered for my VU SS Ute and should be putting them in on the weekend, but if I need shocks as well, I'll have to get on to ordering them.

[SiLENCE]

i'm in the same boat, however i would like to raise the rear of my car - it sits at around 300mm hub to guard at the rear, 330 up front. Not only does it look too low at the rear, the pedders camber/toe kit i had fitted to the rear had very little effect due do excessive lowering.

Having a look at the springs they are -76SSL.. what would you guys recommend?? cant see the part number on the front but it sits at a perfect height.

http://aussiev8.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=2606&d=1156301142

Notice how at the front the guard sits nicely at the top of the tyre, but at the rear the tyre is well under the guard.. that just wont do :)

[Middlez]

Hey guys, i went the 47HD in the front and 45HD in the rear of my VY wagon, and i'm not happy. It sits up rediculously high in the front (tyre clears gaurd by about 20mm) and nicely low at the back (tyre sits in guard 10mm-20mm). Mind you i got new ultima short struts in the front, and kept the stock shocks in the back. But it just looks really odd when its parked and even worse when its in gear, because the back drops even more!

Anybody got any ideas why it's so uneven??

I'm thinking i'm just going to have to go lower springs in the front to even it up. But i just cant see why it would be so uneven...??

[tuff304]

Guys,

I was wondering if someone could please help, got a vx II SS and i want to get it lowered, firstly can someone please clarify if i need a camber kit or not? second is it possible to lower the car and try to maintain a softish ride?
Sorry if this has been asked before.

Thanks in advance.

[VU_SS_UTE]

i'm in the same boat, however i would like to raise the rear of my car - it sits at around 300mm hub to guard at the rear, 330 up front. Not only does it look too low at the rear, the pedders camber/toe kit i had fitted to the rear had very little effect due do excessive lowering.

Having a look at the springs they are -76SSL.. what would you guys recommend?? cant see the part number on the front but it sits at a perfect height.

http://aussiev8.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=2606&d=1156301142

Notice how at the front the guard sits nicely at the top of the tyre, but at the rear the tyre is well under the guard.. that just wont do :)

Sounds tough, got any pics as it is?

Also if you do get replacements i might take those springs off your hands if they're lower than mine.

[VY LS1 UTE]

I am picking up a set of KYB shortened shocks/struts and King Springs at the end of this week. Went for 47HD's in the front and 127SSL's in the rear. I'll post pics and leave feedback when its all done

[Wonky]

Guys,

I was wondering if someone could please help, got a vx II SS and i want to get it lowered, firstly can someone please clarify if i need a camber kit or not? second is it possible to lower the car and try to maintain a softish ride?
Sorry if this has been asked before.

Thanks in advance.

Has been asked a squillion times before so do a search on camber kit.

However, from memory the VX II was the first model which had the extra link in the suspension which gives enough adjustment for most cars to be lowered without a camber kit unless you go really low. Apparently due to slight differences in mass produced cars you should be able to get away without a camber kit unless you are one of the unlucky ones where the tolerances work against you.

King springs are progressive, meaning they should not make it too harsh. Not sure about other makes. I changed struts/shockers on mine to short body units and to me the ride is not as harsh as it was with FE2 even though it's lower. Again, a search will find plenty of people who say you should change shocks too and about as many who said they didn't and they think their car's fine. Basically it's your choice as to whether you want to spend the extra money. Personally I think it's worth it.

[Maz]

Anybody got any ideas why it's so uneven??
Its not uneven, measure the side skirt near the front wheel and back wheel. The front will be lower.

The reason for this is because the rear guard on a wagon is lower than a sedan and ute covering more of the tyre. This is why the tyre is covered at the back, not because the car is uneven.

Measure the side skirts or ground clearance and u'll notice the the rear is infact higher.

[tuff304]

Has been asked a squillion times before so do a search on camber kit.

However, from memory the VX II was the first model which had the extra link in the suspension which gives enough adjustment for most cars to be lowered without a camber kit unless you go really low. Apparently due to slight differences in mass produced cars you should be able to get away without a camber kit unless you are one of the unlucky ones where the tolerances work against you.

King springs are progressive, meaning they should not make it too harsh. Not sure about other makes. I changed struts/shockers on mine to short body units and to me the ride is not as harsh as it was with FE2 even though it's lower. Again, a search will find plenty of people who say you should change shocks too and about as many who said they didn't and they think their car's fine. Basically it's your choice as to whether you want to spend the extra money. Personally I think it's worth it.

Thanks for that :yup:

[swb996]

mate. i have a vz ss ute which originally had 19's on it with king springs all round. i didnt like the ride height as it wasn't even with the lowest ones in it...it was slightly higher in the back.i took em out & replaced them with pedders sports riders & it was heaps more even and lower again. much better. if you want a set of king springs, you can have em for $100.i have coil overs now as i have 20's on it.cheers

[vyssbeast]

can you please post details on these king springs i am very interested, willing to pay for shipping to melbourne also ...

might be a stupid question
but will springs off a ute fit a sedan???

[Maz]

but will springs off a ute fit a sedan???
Yes they fit. Ute, sedan, wagon and statesmen springs all fit between eachother. This applied from VT onwards as they all have IRS.

Springs from a ute sit slightly lower in a sedan and wagon, and then sit slightly lower again in a statesmen.

swb996 Kingsprings has hundreds of springs that aren't listed in the catalogue, they have springs that would have your ute the same height or lower than the pedders you have now.

None of the springs front and back in my car are in the catalogue. I've had a dozen guys get the same springs as i have and they all cant understand why kingsprings dont recomend them in the catalogiue.

[vyssbeast]

thats interesting becuase i called a 'reputable' suspension shop and he said they wont work i'd need to buy sedan ones... now im confused

wat springs do you have maz?? any pics? very interested to see

anyone else know whether this would work or not??

[VU_SS_UTE]

thats interesting becuase i called a 'reputable' suspension shop and he said they wont work i'd need to buy sedan ones... now im confused

wat springs do you have maz?? any pics? very interested to see

anyone else know whether this would work or not??

They are different, cause when I wanted to get my ute on its guts they said to use wagon springs, but that i'd have to do some changes to get them to fit

A quick look under a ute then under a sedan/wagon will show that the springs sit differently!

[vyssbeast]

thanks mate
ill just get the proper item first go
cheers

[Middlez]

Its not uneven, measure the side skirt near the front wheel and back wheel. The front will be lower.

The reason for this is because the rear guard on a wagon is lower than a sedan and ute covering more of the tyre. This is why the tyre is covered at the back, not because the car is uneven.

Measure the side skirts or ground clearance and u'll notice the the rear is infact higher.

Thanks for that, your right, but it still looks odd! So i'll be dropping the front a bit more to compensate :D

[ICH II]

Guys,

Whats ur advise on getting my S Ute lowered in WA, Wilkinson suspension?

[DUB]

Guys,

Whats ur advise on getting my S Ute lowered in WA, Wilkinson suspension?

WA Suspensions, top service AND after sales service. Ask for Peter on the front desk.

[jaykay]

Guys,

Whats ur advise on getting my S Ute lowered in WA, Wilkinson suspension?
If you check out my thread on lowering here .....

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=62875

The 25th Anniversary Commodore I had a few years ago was lowered by Wilkinsons Suspensions with King Springs. Excellent job, great price and great product...

JK

[VZGEN4]

VZGEN4, did you do shockies as well, or just springs? Got these same springs ordered for my VU SS Ute and should be putting them in on the weekend, but if I need shocks as well, I'll have to get on to ordering them.

G'day stormcr8r, Haven't seen this thread for a while, so sorry if this info comes too late.

Only changed the springs, kept original shocks and didn't need a camber kit. I've done just over 14,000kms in the ute now and no inside tyre wear on the back. :dance:

[genb]

Hi I purchased some s/h king springs super low to suit vu ute but on closer inspection i notice that rh front spring is a khpr-19 and the lh one is a khfl-47
one of the springs is noticeably shorter than the other is this normal?

[Wonky]

Hi I purchased some s/h king springs super low to suit vu ute but on closer inspection i notice that rh front spring is a khpr-19 and the lh one is a khfl-47
one of the springs is noticeably shorter than the other is this normal?
That's bad mate - even if the KHPR-19 fitted (according to the King's catalogue it's only a Low for VB - VP V8) it's potentially very dangerous indeed to mix springs like that.

I'd be trying to get your money back or get the correct spring from the guy - maybe he had a few and mixed them up.

[genb]

thanks mate