Police harrasing me

[Dane VN V8]

:flipoff: Well here it goes, February this year my mum got a phone call from Miranda Police Station (Near Cronulla, Sydney) asking if she owned a White Holden Ute and the rego numer ****. She replied saying no I don't own a ute, the officer then ask if she owned a white holden, she replied saying yes I do own a White Holden Commodore VX SS SEDAN and then asked why and they said the rego number had been reported driving erratically in the Cronulla Area.

He then asked me if she was in Crounulla that afternoon at 1pm (I think that was the time), She said no though my son could of been driving the car but you would have to ask him. He then asked her to get me to ring him straight back as soon as I got home.

I got home and called the officer asking what was the problem as nicely as I could, he was rude about the situation and asked if I was in cronulla at 1pm in his snappy tone. I told him no but I was there earlier on that day, he then told me the car was spotted driving erratically and they have witness's that have reported the car and have writing down statements. I told him I have no idea what he is talking about.

He then said I will need you to come down to the police station with your mother WITH the car so she can sign some papers that I was driving the car that day. I told him that my mother couldn't as she was busy as she has a 4 year old daughter and can't just jump up and go, etc.

So we told him we could come in the next day but with no time as I said we would ring before arrivng. He told me that was fine, so the next day I called Miranda Police Station and asked for the officer and told them the reason why I am calling, he was not in at the time and they would tell him that I called and he will call me back as soon as he is in.

Well the officer did not call me back and untill now today a few months later Bankstown Police Officers rock up to my door-step asking my mother if she owened the car of this rego number. She said yes and whats the problem, they then told her the Miranda Police Officer has called and asked if they could take action. They got her to sign those papers that I was driving the car that day and told her that they have writing statements from witness's seeing the car driving erratically.

THEY then said the worst that will happen I will get a few penalty notices :flipoff: . Well I have spoken to my step dad who is a JP and knows alot about the law and said they have nothing against me. They have no camera footage of the car, no red-light camera, no speeding camera, NO copa seen it happen. So what anyone can call the police and spit out some rego number of a person that they hate saying they were driving erratically and get them to lose demerit points, there kidding themselves.

I do remember the day and all I can say who ever called me must be some jealous prick as I did nothing wrong expect for tap it a little around a corner and well we all know a STOCK A4 VX SS isn't going to do much. Well it didn't for me, however when I did drive up the street a nice VU WHITE SS ute with an exhaust did take off down the street where I had just came from.

So whatever this witness has said can fark himself as I will fight this to the death saying I have no idea what they are talking about and what was it I did wrong?, first they said I had a ute, second they leave it for months, third they have no footage of the car, PLUS I have a witness in my car to say I had done nothing wrong, they got nothing. Any advice would be great.

Cheers Dane.

[Aus8]

I wouldnt worry about it mate. I think you have answered your own question.

[SS_Fury]

i also didnt think cops could nab ya on the 'public dobbing in' someone. I know they are trying to bring the community in more to stop 'hoons' but surely they couldnt act on the publics complaints, purely because they would have no time to investigate other issues if they addressed every joe blows concern with the noisy car down the road.

[macca33]

When the penalty notice/s arrive, send it/them back and object, requesting to proceed to court.

When you receive your summons, request a copy of the brief of evidence.

Make your decision as to whether you wish to fight the charge/s or not at that point, when you are aware of what evidence, if any, police have.

I see a problem with IDENTITY being at issue here.

I'm not taking sides, or even presuming to know either way what happened, but you have to do your research properly.

Police can act upon the complaint of a member of the public in any circumstance where there is a breach of a law, whether or not police actually witness the offence.

They are correct in requiring your mother to nominate the driver on that day if she is the registered owner of the car.

Good luck with it.

Cheers,

Macca

[Whizza]

if they do ping you with it you are better off taking it on the chin as ( in reality they have a witness or witness's statment(s) ) so they dont have to prove you are guilty you have to prove you are innocent . sometimes it is better to cop someone elses shit coz if you fight it the possability of it costing alot of money is there .

[Clubby250]

if they do ping you with it you are better off taking it on the chin as ( in reality they have a witness or witness's statment(s) ) so they dont have to prove you are guilty you have to prove you are innocent . sometimes it is better to cop someone elses shit coz if you fight it the possability of it costing alot of money is there .

dont u have to commit a crime first for it to have witnesses.

i dont beleive he has commited a crime hence they aint witnesses, only bullshitters.
if this even has the slightest bit of penalties arising out of this then every joe blow will dob his dickhead neighbour in for hooning if they dont like each other.
be kind and polite and hand your own notice of penalties over to the police.
excuse me officer he is 1 infringement for breach of stupidity and also some of these as ur admising of guilt to the crime :flip3:

should be about all good then

[Cal.oz]

:flipoff: Well here it goes, February this year my mum got a phone call from Miranda Police Station (Near Cronulla, Sydney) asking if she owned a White Holden Ute and the rego numer ****.


I think this sorta sums it up, they dont even have the right vehicle type, theres a fair difference between a ute and a sedan, and if there "witnesses" claim it was a ute then theres absolutly nothing they can do.

[Scud]

Remember, the original claimant will have to give evidence in court if you decide to defend the charges. The police didn't witness the alleged offence therefore they cannot rely on the written statements from the witness. Most people are happy to phone up and dob you in but the chances of them wanting to get involved to the point of appearing in court as a witness for the prosecution, well I think not.

[C4B]

The first thing I'd do is disown your mum. What was she thinking signing something to say who was driving the car.... Up until then they had absolutely no way of proving who was driving the vehicle, now they have a signed statement that you were in charge of the vehicle at the time.

Having said that I still can't see anything coming of it..........

[SSBarney]

Most people are happy to phone up and dob you in but the chances of them wanting to get involved to the point of appearing in court as a witness for the prosecution, well I think not.

Exactly, u have to call their bluff, definetely dont cop the fines. Macca33's advice is very good.

[VX2VESS]

a couple of doors down from me is a dobber extremo. i'm in a small st only 4 houses down one side the bush at the end and bush all along the opposite side. Anyway teenagers get down the end and go into the bush to cubby houses or whatever. Some are older P platers and park cars down the end also.

Anyway every time this guy rings up the cops to come down and move them away. I think he owns the whole street. They are doing bugger all wrong really just being kids. Who knows how he always gets them to come down and hassle these kids. But they do, hes a f/wit.

Some of them had this really good cubby built way down in the bush away from everything, he went down and kicked it all down. I’m really getting sick of this guy (I find out of the next door neighbours I don’t talk to him) next time I may have to go shut him up myself, a wired up jaw should keep him quite a while.

Anyway my point is they are doing nothing wrong yet he gets the cops down all the time.

[Vulture]

Dane, don't take this one on the chin. As the others have said, call their bluff. Can't see these 'witnesses' turning up in court. I would imagine that once the Police realise you're serious about finding out what 'evidence' they have about your supposed misbehaviour things will quiten down a lot...oh, and don't admit to anything - not even a little "tap". Tell them there was another car fitting the description much better that you saw. ie the white ute.

[HARMSY]

The first thing I'd do is disown your mum. What was she thinking signing something to say who was driving the car.... Up until then they had absolutely no way of proving who was driving the vehicle, now they have a signed statement that you were in charge of the vehicle at the time.

Having said that I still can't see anything coming of it..........


She has to nominate who was driving the car if she wasn't, doesn't have a choice....

[C4B]

She has to nominate who was driving the car if she wasn't, doesn't have a choice....

"I don't know officer, that was 3 months ago"

[Cobalt]

It's my personal car officer......

I don't keep a log of it's activity would you want me to guess and possibly make a false statement... You wouldn't want me to lie to the police would you ......

Cobalt

[all4ford]

Dont give in! The cops have been total ass holes for this lately, doing all they can to take nice cars off the road and so called dangerous drivers. My brother has been gettin harassed by them due to so called witness complaints. The cops have gone as far as to say they will impound his car if seen on the street, so we called a solicitor and he said they cannot do that unless they catch him breaking the law or a witness actually fronts court.

So others have said, call his bluff, there's a whole heap of idiot coppers out there who talk complete bullshit about what they can do, when the reality is, whatever they can do, has been done.

[C4B]

This reminds me of a situation I was in a while back. I was driving home along the Bruce Highway when this dickhead in a black Silvia with about 100kg's of stickers on it came up to me and started doing the whole "Sneezer" thing. I just left it on cruise control and all was well until I started closing on another car in the left lane (where he was). Just as I was coming up to the other car this idiot floored it, just about ran up the ass of the guy in front of him and then nearly took my front off when he changed lanes in front of me. (we're talking literally a matter of inches)

Anyway I was fuming and went straight to Ferny Grove police station to report him (I got his numberplate). The sergeant there said there was nothing they could do, but that they'd send someone around to his address and "PUT THE WIND UP HIM".

I can only guess what they would have said, but I imagine it would have been words to the effect of "We have a witness who has given a statement......blah blah blah".

Sound familiar.....

[magvz]

mate go see a lawyer best thing you can do. dont give the police
any written satemants then its your word against theres if you
go to court goodluck

[LS1kid]

gday, a mate of mine was done under the same sort of circumstances. He was driving his 75 series landcruiser ute, POS, one night and two people decided to dob him in for some unknown reason (he didn't know them). They say he left 6m dual skids up the street they live on. They dobbed him in only by number plate. Anyway stuff happened and he ended up getting a indipendant report from a mechanic on his cars inability to smoke it up, cops threw it out the window. He then told the cops to measure between the wheels etc etc, then he offered them to go and drop a skid in it if they wanted. What im trying to get at is they want these new hoon laws to take off and will nail anyone young who fits the image to the wall. once precedent is set, going for a cruise in our pride and joy will never be the same. he ended up getting about 5 grand in fines and loss of license for 6 months. after the result it causes other problems, like nearly loss of apprenticeship, sporting commitments and letting other ppl down bla bla bla

P.S he had a lawyer and all that jazz

[C4B]

gday, a mate of mine was done under the same sort of circumstances. He was driving his 75 series landcruiser ute, POS, one night and two people decided to dob him in for some unknown reason (he didn't know them). They say he left 6m dual skids up the street they live on. They dobbed him in only by number plate. Anyway stuff happened and he ended up getting a indipendant report from a mechanic on his cars inability to smoke it up, cops threw it out the window. He then told the cops to measure between the wheels etc etc, then he offered them to go and drop a skid in it if they wanted. What im trying to get at is they want these new hoon laws to take off and will nail anyone young who fits the image to the wall. once precedent is set, going for a cruise in our pride and joy will never be the same. he ended up getting about 5 grand in fines and loss of license for 6 months. after the result it causes other problems, like nearly loss of apprenticeship, sporting commitments and letting other ppl down bla bla bla

P.S he had a lawyer and all that jazz

Did he do the skid?????

[gaz vyss]

Question: I'm parked at the lights waiting for a green light. When the light changed I took off normally. Then a bloody copper on a ducati split the lane between me and the next car almost causing an accident. The bastard was chasing 2 other big bikes, not to book them, but to overtake them because they left the lights first !! Trust me on this one.... cause I know the arsehole and have personally witnessed him doing 200kph on the very same road, plus a range of other stupid things.

Do i dob in the bastard for erratic driving/riding ??? or next time plant my foot and run the bastard over with my V8, because he does this every afternoon on the way home.

[all4ford]

Question: I'm parked at the lights waiting for a green light. When the light changed I took off normally. Then a bloody copper on a ducati split the lane between me and the next car almost causing an accident. The bastard was chasing 2 other big bikes, not to book them, but to overtake them because they left the lights first !! Trust me on this one.... cause I know the arsehole and have personally witnessed him doing 200kph on the very same road, plus a range of other stupid things.

Do i dob in the bastard for erratic driving/riding ??? or next time plant my foot and run the bastard over with my V8, because he does this every afternoon on the way home.
I like option b, but the first one would keep you outer trouble as well.

[xshore]

if they do ping you with it you are better off taking it on the chin as ( in reality they have a witness or witness's statment(s) ) so they dont have to prove you are guilty you have to prove you are innocent . sometimes it is better to cop someone elses shit coz if you fight it the possability of it costing alot of money is there .

And if it happens again or twice more goodbye to his car right?

[gaz vyss]

Maybe i'll just close the gap between me and the car beside me next time he does it. That way he's at fault and I will have plenty of witnesses that he split the lane and hit 2 cars in the process.:evil:

[Devil CV8]

Remember, the original claimant will have to give evidence in court if you decide to defend the charges. The police didn't witness the alleged offence therefore they cannot rely on the written statements from the witness. Most people are happy to phone up and dob you in but the chances of them wanting to get involved to the point of appearing in court as a witness for the prosecution, well I think not.

Scud has hit the nail on the head. Any witness will need to front up to court and give evidence as to what they saw and what they did. You then get to cross examine them.

Under no circumstances do you give a statement to the police, and in the case of your mum, she would have been better being vague about who had control of the car on that day, citing the reasons that others have mentioned.

Take it to court, and ensure you inform them that you will be making an application for costs when you win.

[HSVREDSLED]

Your mum did the right thing. She had to nominate the driver. It comes part and parcel of being a registered owner of a motor vehicle.
Otherwise she would be in the poo.

Excuses such as I cant remember who was driving or I was pissed and lent the car to someone, does not cut it. The only thing that cuts it was if it was stolen. Was it reported stolen back when the alleged offense took place??? No?? Report it now and she will go for public mischief. The long and the short of it, as a registered owner, you have to be able to nominate who was driving a vehicle at a certain time otherwise you have committed an offence.

Dont go too hard on the Cops. If they took no action, they would be in the crap for inaction and have the ombudsman and everyone else breathing down their necks. Very few offences are actually witnessed by Police. Most of the time the Cops are going on versions of witnesses. Courts are there to sort out the truth witnesses see, from the crap.

[VSSII]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Upholding the law definately will not win you any popularity contest. But they won't take action unless the witness says they're prepared to attend court. In matters like this if the cops can't catch up with you, you should catch up with them. It'll only save you heartache further down the track, as you are about to find out.

[Devil CV8]

Excuses such as I cant remember who was driving or I was pissed and lent the car to someone, does not cut it.
strange. there was a news story recently (in the last couple of months) about a story about a woman ho was taken to court because she couldn't nominate who was driving her car when it was clocked by a speed camera. pic showed her in the passenger seat but didn't identify the driver. she couldn't recall who was driving and stated her husband, kids and friends all drove her car.

she got off with no penalty.
So not remembering does cut it. Can you recall what you were doing at 2:20pm on the 9th december 2005? (or just pick a random date)

[BradSV8]

I realise this is a little off topic but what can be done about police tailgating you. This has happened to me a few times now well actually about 4. On each occasion I have done nothing wrong just cruising at the speed limit and the cops were sitting so close I could not see their headlights.
They seem to just pick me out. My car is reasonably loud it has a loud 3.5" sureflo sys on it, maybe this has something to do with it but it is no reason to tail gate me. The longest one so far has been about 20km's.

Brad

[STATIE]

strange. there was a news story recently (in the last couple of months) about a story about a woman ho was taken to court because she couldn't nominate who was driving her car when it was clocked by a speed camera. pic showed her in the passenger seat but didn't identify the driver. she couldn't recall who was driving and stated her husband, kids and friends all drove her car.

she got off with no penalty.


Thats interesting as with company cars - If you dont nominate a driver they hit the company with a $600 fine and threaten to deregister the car involved.:vpo:

[Peter B - CV8]

I realise this is a little off topic but what can be done about police tailgating you. This has happened to me a few times now well actually about 4. On each occasion I have done nothing wrong just cruising at the speed limit and the cops were sitting so close I could not see their headlights.
They seem to just pick me out. My car is reasonably loud it has a loud 3.5" sureflo sys on it, maybe this has something to do with it but it is no reason to tail gate me. The longest one so far has been about 20km's.

Brad

Brake test em.....(& if they hit you in the rear they are in the wrong.)
Seriously though, just give the brakes a light dab & drive to the speed limit (or just under). They should quickly move onto other targets.

[SSBarney]

strange. there was a news story recently (in the last couple of months) about a story about a woman ho was taken to court because she couldn't nominate who was driving her car when it was clocked by a speed camera. pic showed her in the passenger seat but didn't identify the driver. she couldn't recall who was driving and stated her husband, kids and friends all drove her car.

she got off with no penalty.
So not remembering does cut it. Can you recall what you were doing at 2:20pm on the 9th december 2005? (or just pick a random date)

She happened to be the wife of the One Nation party power broker, David Oldfield. He appears to be the only other possible driver, by their own admission, on the show i watched. But they pulled it off. I'm pretty sure he's a lawyer.

[Devil CV8]

Thats interesting as with company cars - If you dont nominate a driver they hit the company with a $600 fine and threaten to deregister the car involved.:vpo:
this was nsw and IIRC it was a female polly.

[BradSV8]

Brake test em.....(& if they hit you in the rear they are in the wrong.)
Seriously though, just give the brakes a light dab & drive to the speed limit (or just under). They should quickly move onto other targets.


I tried this and hitting the brakes a fair bit harder than normal at stop lights and they just kept sitting behind me. If I can get the plate no can I report them or will that just make things worse?

Brad

[HardcoreLS1]

Your mum did the right thing. She had to nominate the driver. It comes part and parcel of being a registered owner of a motor vehicle.
Otherwise she would be in the poo.

Excuses such as I cant remember who was driving or I was pissed and lent the car to someone, does not cut it. The only thing that cuts it was if it was stolen. Was it reported stolen back when the alleged offense took place??? No?? Report it now and she will go for public mischief. The long and the short of it, as a registered owner, you have to be able to nominate who was driving a vehicle at a certain time otherwise you have committed an offence.



What a load of bullshit:lmao:
You wouldn't be a copper by any chance?

[SSBarney]

I tried this and hitting the brakes a fair bit harder than normal at stop lights and they just kept sitting behind me. If I can get the plate no can I report them or will that just make things worse?

Brad

Take them for a tour, a bit of macca's, then maybe a 5kmh cruise up the main street, and what about a red light area cruise(assuming thats not where u already r :lmao:

[HRT 8]

The long and the short of it, as a registered owner, you have to be able to nominate who was driving a vehicle at a certain time otherwise you have committed an offence.

Actually no you dont. You as the registered operator must make reasonable efforts to establish the identitiy of the driver. If you cant remember then you cant. 3 months is long enough for a court. Ive seen it before for a lesser time frame.

[HRT 8]

Thats interesting as with company cars - If you dont nominate a driver they hit the company with a $600 fine and threaten to deregister the car involved.:vpo:
Companies should keep log books.

[SSBarney]

Companies should keep log books.

Well thats the way the state revenue office sees it. There is little other benefit.
But i guess business operators have nothing better to do?!?

[markone2]

Companies should keep log books.


It's an odds on the majority do just that ;) , or the vehicle in question is a sole driver company supplied vehicle.......simple enough question really in 99% of alleged offences *Speeding*........Loose ex number of points or fork over ex amount of folding......a more than satisfactory arrangement for all concerned it would appear imho.....Driver keeps all his points but at increased expense, while the Government coffers receive a healthy boost...a win win situation for those who enjoy the benefits of a company owned vehicle.......no such luck for those lesser Mortals driving privately owned vehicles.....they receive no such option.

[Scud]

Brake test em.....(& if they hit you in the rear they are in the wrong.)
Seriously though, just give the brakes a light dab & drive to the speed limit (or just under). They should quickly move onto other targets.

I actually think you will find that this is an offence, applying your brakes without due caution or with no reason.

So do what I do to tailgaters (like the previous poster) brake hard at the last minute and watch then squirm, or another tactic I like to use is to slow down below the speed limit and then accelerate back to the limit thus creating a gap.

[Vulture]

Question: I'm parked at the lights waiting for a green light. When the light changed I took off normally. Then a bloody copper on a ducati split the lane between me and the next car almost causing an accident. The bastard was chasing 2 other big bikes, not to book them, but to overtake them because they left the lights first !! Trust me on this one.... cause I know the arsehole and have personally witnessed him doing 200kph on the very same road, plus a range of other stupid things.

Do i dob in the bastard for erratic driving/riding ??? or next time plant my foot and run the bastard over with my V8, because he does this every afternoon on the way home.

If you see it that often, take a video camera next time and make sure the licence plate is visible:D


I actually think you will find that this is an offence, applying your brakes without due caution or with no reason.

"I was avoiding a dog that just jumped out in front of me"?

[dcx3]

If you do get the fines ask for the evedience brief from the witnesses and check if they say a white seaden or ute and that would be the first place to look. If you go to court judges are very one eyed when it comes to these issues so make sure you have enough proof to back up yourself

[Devil CV8]

Companies should keep log books.
With my "tool of trade vehicle" I am the only one who drives it, so if it gets done for speeding then I'm it. BUT my lease vehicle can be driven by any member of my family, and if it gets done by a camera I know I won't be able to nominate the driver. Guess my salary package will just have to take a hit because of the fine and the points go to limbo...

[cutter bob]

There is something everyone is forgetting here. If they (the so called witness) can make up bullsh!t so can you. All you gotta do is make up a story to discredit them. eg, "i had a verbal with some guy over a car spot that day....and i did see the girl in his car writing down something" this covers both sexes and if they ask you to describe them you just shrug your shoulders and say it was 6 months ago.....it doesn’t matter if its true or not because the cops cant prove you didn’t have a verbal that day, and it leaves them having to prove beyond reasonable doubt the person making the complain wasn't the person in the car park.

[vysandman]

There is something everyone is forgetting here. If they (the so called witness) can make up bullsh!t so can you. All you gotta do is make up a story to discredit them. eg, "i had a verbal with some guy over a car spot that day....and i did see the girl in his car writing down something" this covers both sexes and if they ask you to describe them you just shrug your shoulders and say it was 6 months ago.....it doesn’t matter if its true or not because the cops cant prove you didn’t have a verbal that day, and it leaves them having to prove beyond reasonable doubt the person making the complain wasn't the person in the car park.

Well said cutter bob. How easy is it for someone who doesn't like something about you or something minor you've done to dob you in with false accusations. Own up to nothing. It happened to a mate of mine once and they told him to contact the station but he never did, so they turned up at his work one day and he denied he was driving at the time and they just let it go. There are more important things for Police to be using their resources on.

[el_hefty]

23 in mums SS ... i have my doubts about how innocent you truly are. Folks dont just ring the police when you drive down their street.

In saying that ive been there done that and call their bluff as thats all it is

[VQST80]

he actually states he only lightly tapped it lol..

Dude you just admitted guilt.:sux:

[Dane VN V8]

23 in mums SS ... i have my doubts about how innocent you truly are. Folks dont just ring the police when you drive down their street.



Well actually it is my car and I drive it every day, my mother has only driven it once and only will and that was to take me to hospital. So don't think I have just jumped into my mothers car and taking it for a spin, its my car and I respect it. Yes I did admit I did lightly tap it to take off a little, nothing else, we all do it, I didn't go smoke the tyres up, I didn't go sideways, therefore I did nothing wrong expect speed up. Anyhow I am not dumb enough to admit it in court I tapped it.

Dane

[Vulture]

Anyhow I am not dumb enough to admit it in court I tapped it.

Hopefully you didn't admit it AT ALL to anyone...

[Dane VN V8]

Hopefully you didn't admit it AT ALL to anyone...

I didn't not even to my mother.
Dane.

[el_hefty]

so your guilty by your own admission if you werent you wouldnt have anything to be dumb enough to espouse!

Also what is this so called 'tapping'?, i thought thats what rappers liked to do to their ho's butts :moon: but alas i must be wrong

If you werent out doing what you werent doing, what the police think you were doing, what your mother wont know you were doing, what a citizen complained about you were doing and what you wont admit to doing by self admission of doing it........ oh im lost, who's innocent again?

[seldo]

:lmao: What a crock of shit. You gave it a bootful obviously causing some sort of disturbance, someone complained to the Police, they are correctly doing what they are required to do and follow-up the complaint ......and poor you are being harrassed...:doh: Grow up and learn to behave, or if you can't do that, at least go away from a public place to do it...and learn to be responsible for your actions and stop trying to pass the blame to the poor coppers who have to deal with idiots like you...."Gave it a little tap..." Yeah..sure...:lmao: Probably smoked the bags up the street for 50m ....:rolleyes:

[SSBarney]

I didn't not even to my mother.
Dane.

But did to an open public forum:idea:

[HSVMAN]

Signature at bottom of Seldo's post says it all :D but he is right.

However we are all guilty of indiscretions at some time (whether you are or not) and the cops have nothing on you other than a "witness statement" which cannot be held up in a court of law merely on its own merits. If there is some confusion over types of vehicles/regos etc you can ask for the Police brief when and if you receive an offence notice which I doubt. Only then should you possibly need legal council. Meanwhile admit nothing (you already have here) and say nothing more to anyone. And drive carefully ;)

[seldo]

Signature at bottom of Seldo's post says it all :D but he is right.

However we are all guilty of indiscretions at some time (whether you are or not) and the cops have nothing on you other than a "witness statement" which cannot be held up in a court of law merely on its own merits. If there is some confusion over types of vehicles/regos etc you can ask for the Police brief when and if you receive an offence notice which I doubt. Only then should you possibly need legal council. Meanwhile admit nothing (you already have here) and say nothing more to anyone. And drive carefully ;)
You are absolutely right! I've done plenty of stupid things in my time (and learned some bitter lessons) :( but I didn't try to blame the coppers for doing their job. Like I said, learn to take responsibility for your actions..

[VX2VESS]

Hopefully you didn't admit it AT ALL to anyone...

not to anyone just the WWW ;)

if anyone can id you its a risk admitting anything on the web. i recall one some time ago a person hired a FWD car put maccas trays under the back wheels to do doeies told the story on here or the old site forget now. someone dobbed him in to the hire place, :) i think had a vid posted also that the hire place saw

[VX2VESS]

23 in mums SS ... i have my doubts about how innocent you truly are. Folks dont just ring the police when you drive down their street.



this guy does

i see the cars too they are doing nothing wrong.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=653803&postcount=11

[macca33]

...the cops have nothing on you other than a "witness statement" which cannot be held up in a court of law merely on its own merits.


If that witness, or witnesses give SWORN evidence at court and the Magistrate finds them to be competent, credible and truthful, then that is all that is needed for you to be found guilty.

As I stated in my initial post, if you wish to go to court and fight on, then get the brief and read the evidence contained therein.

If you did muck up, then you'd better be prepared to fall on your sword, lest you face increased penalty upon a finding of guilt.

If you truly did not misbehave, then you have every right to contest the evidence, jut don't go in half-arsed.

Cheers,

Macca

[Devil CV8]

If that witness, or witnesses give SWORN evidence at court and the Magistrate finds them to be competent, credible and truthful, then that is all that is needed for you to be found guilty.


that there is the main point..... most people will not want to take time off work, go to court and give evidence, be crossexamined and have all their details out in public because they think they saw someone break a traffic law.

cops get paid to do that, the public don't....

[exwrx]

that's what subpoenas are for...:hmmm:

[el_hefty]

that's what subpoenas are for...:hmmm:

Maybe for a murder case but a traffic infringement... i dont think so.

Anyway the kid lied out of his cracker and now wants sympathy.. :nopity:

what a waste of a thread i say, 'Book him danno' :flip3:

[xshore]

that there is the main point..... most people will not want to take time off work, go to court and give evidence, be crossexamined and have all their details out in public because they think they saw someone break a traffic law.

cops get paid to do that, the public don't....

I agree, everyone I have spoken to in simular situations understand that when you take it upon yourself to get someone in trouble with the law there will be hatred towards you leading to revenge. You don't know what that person is capable of.

[Dane VN V8]

Well the police called me today the officer was asking me about what happen on February and I just told him I have no idea as it was six months ago. I told him I don't even remember being there, he said they have a witness that swears that they seen me smoking it up doing a fish tail. I was like mate I seriously have no idea what your speaking about, he responded well mate its a witness saying you did it and you saying you didn't so what I am going to do is warn you about this. So now on my SS it's been marked down as warned or some shit and he said next time I get pulled over there will be zero tolerance for me and if I get caught doing anything wrong like that they will take my car for 3 months :flipoff: . So now the cops are going to be on to me all the time (luckily im selling it :bow: ).

Dane.

[grpssa]

you'd be surprised how many cars have this warning on them. the cant pick on everyone thats got one. they'll just go hard if youre loitering or doing something sus

[zorro]

dont know what nsw laws are but up here unless the officer pulls you over within 10minutes or there is factual evidence (picture or video) they cant do SFA. Tell the coppers to stop harrasing you, simple. Sounds like you got caught and have regrets grow up!

*plays violin*

[Nemisis]

Im not sure how much you guys all know about our legal system but Ill try and explain a few things to you all and hopefully embellish you somewhat. A subpoena is a notice for a compellable witness to attend court, if they fail to do so an arrest warrant can be issued for them to be brought before the court to give their evidence. So it doesnt matter what else there doing they must attend court.
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The statement that is signed by the witness has what they call a Jurat at the begining, stating they will attend court and have told the truth (hopefully). If the officer recieves a statement from a witness he has no option but to make some kind of enquiries and that includes what they call the form of demand. This is covered under the Road Transport Legislation. If the registered owner fails to supply the drivers name and residential address they are committing an offence.
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By the sounds of things you are fairly lucky that this officer decided to "Write it off" as some kind of conflicting versions. However because you said you "dont remember the incident" you have backed yourself in to a indefensible position. The prosecutor would ask you questions like, "If you cant remember the incident how do you know what occured?" If you suddenly remember the incident and tell the court such you will get "So you lied to the police are you lying to the court?" or "So you have lyed to the court or the police, so which one is it or both?" Either way your credibility has been destroyed and there is a very high chance the magistrate would convict.
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Just drive safely, enjoy your car and you wont have a worry in the world.
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Regards
Karl

[LA^BLOOD]

fuken 5 0 dere nuffin but bitches
got nuffin betta 2 do

[blueyedbikerman]

I Myself Would Not Take It Lying Down As My Wife Was Pulled Over 12 Times In One Week For Nothing She Has Never Lost A Point She Was Drying A Vs Clubsport About 5 Years Ago And I Rang The Police Station And Went Off The Tree At Them Told Them This Was Harsment And Any Further I Would See Them In Court And Since Then My Wife Has Not Been Pulled Over Once But Haveing Blond Hair And Big Boobs Didnt Help Her Cause I Think So F$@$k Them , They Should Prove You Are Guilty No You Prove You Are Inercent

[HSVREDSLED]

fuken 5 0 dere nuffin but bitches
got nuffin betta 2 do


For the 'non' bloods I will try and interpret.

'5 0' more than likely refers to the TV show Hawaii 5 0 starring Jack Lord as Inspector Steve Mc Garrett. It was the icon for Policing and many law enforcement agencies stil refer to the famous quote.."book him danno" I believe LA blood is referring to this show.

For more info click the link

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/

"dere nothing but bitches' probably refers to his interpretation that he does not like Police and using the term 'bitch' refers to his view that all Police act like, or resemble females.

'got nuffin betta 2 do" is interpreted as meaning, "the Police should occupy themselves in more relevant policing duties rather than pursuing trivial matters.


end of lesson...

[HRT 8]

fuken 5 0 dere nuffin but bitches
got nuffin betta 2 do
Did you actually go to school to learn to speak like that?

[slash]

fuken 5 0 dere nuffin but bitches
got nuffin betta 2 do

Gee, he sounds tough........................or just illiterate.

[Shane-o]

So when is the next new law introduced, Accelerating to the speed limit to quickly(Without wheel spin)?

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3Key/LC19970627056

That cop maybe breaking the law also if new bill is introduced. Tailgating will be under "Menacing driving".

Might be a dull and boring world soon though, Be breaking a law to screw your miss's/bo without first getting council approval or a permit of some sort. hahaha :teach:

And NO if your wondering, I don't tailgated "EVER". Way more dangerous than doing a controlled burnout in my opinion!

[Woodsy]

fuken 5 0 dere nuffin but bitches
got nuffin betta 2 do
You know, you could have typed that out properly and not looked like a fool for very little extra effort.

But what should we expect? You are an "LA Blood" afterall ;)

Fo Shizzle

And hey, thanks for the lesson there 'RED'. Much appreciated :)

[AndrewW]

For the 'non' bloods I will try and interpret.

'5 0' more than likely refers to the TV show Hawaii 5 0 starring Jack Lord as Inspector Steve Mc Garrett. It was the icon for Policing and many law enforcement agencies stil refer to the famous quote.."book him danno" I believe LA blood is referring to this show.

For more info click the link

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/

"dere nothing but bitches' probably refers to his interpretation that he does not like Police and using the term 'bitch' refers to his view that all Police act like, or resemble females.

'got nuffin betta 2 do" is interpreted as meaning, "the Police should occupy themselves in more relevant policing duties rather than pursuing trivial matters.


end of lesson...

haha that's GOLD!

Post of the week :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[plonkerchops]

For the 'non' bloods I will try and interpret.

'5 0' more than likely refers to the TV show Hawaii 5 0 starring Jack Lord as Inspector Steve Mc Garrett. It was the icon for Policing and many law enforcement agencies stil refer to the famous quote.."book him danno" I believe LA blood is referring to this show.

For more info click the link

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/

"dere nothing but bitches' probably refers to his interpretation that he does not like Police and using the term 'bitch' refers to his view that all Police act like, or resemble females.

'got nuffin betta 2 do" is interpreted as meaning, "the Police should occupy themselves in more relevant policing duties rather than pursuing trivial matters.


end of lesson...
BWHAHAHAHAAH...thats just too funny!!!!!

[nirvana]

For the 'non' bloods I will try and interpret.

'5 0' more than likely refers to the TV show Hawaii 5 0 starring Jack Lord as Inspector Steve Mc Garrett. It was the icon for Policing and many law enforcement agencies stil refer to the famous quote.."book him danno" I believe LA blood is referring to this show.

For more info click the link

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/

"dere nothing but bitches' probably refers to his interpretation that he does not like Police and using the term 'bitch' refers to his view that all Police act like, or resemble females.

'got nuffin betta 2 do" is interpreted as meaning, "the Police should occupy themselves in more relevant policing duties rather than pursuing trivial matters.


end of lesson...

thanks mate i must be getting old.
i used to be able to read dribble.

[Elite SS]

Dane...
You wouldn't be related to the clown that was giving me a hard time Yesterday....people don't call the cops for nothing...stick their head out and get rego details out of thin air...I think it's about time you grew up and took responsabilities for your own actions..I feel sorry for the poor bloke who buys your car..first it's probably been flogged to death and second..it's been marked by the cops...

[daabido]

I realise this is a little off topic but what can be done about police tailgating you. This has happened to me a few times now well actually about 4. On each occasion I have done nothing wrong just cruising at the speed limit and the cops were sitting so close I could not see their headlights.
They seem to just pick me out. My car is reasonably loud it has a loud 3.5" sureflo sys on it, maybe this has something to do with it but it is no reason to tail gate me. The longest one so far has been about 20km's.

Brad

Ever consider pulling over? They're trying to provoke you so they can ping you. But if you're not moving, there's not many offences you can commit.

I am not condoning their actions, far from it. But sometimes the past of least resistance is the best one.

Especially when you pull over, take their rego number and report them to the CMC, or whatever your equivalent of that is.