How to make a VT11 SS as good as typhoon

[TigerMon]

We all know what can be done with the ls1 engine. But what about the rest of the car? i.e. Auto, chasis, brakes?

[TigerMon]

http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/4478302.jpg

[Clubby250]

buy one if it means so much to be as good as one.

[TigerMon]

Its the best oz sports car, that what it means. but, typhoon= 60k. VT11SS = 20K. 40K!

[Freaky]

what on earth is this thread about.

The VZ HSV's arent as good as a typhoon, why would a VT be.:dance:

[HazzaHSV]

I think he might mean performance mods that would allow his VT SS to show a stock typhoon his rear bumper.

I would say its pretty simple really. Cam package/diff gears to out power it. Shock/Spring upgrade to out handle it. And 4 spot Harrops to out brake it.

If the Typhoon was going to be modded though, you'll probably need to get a hairdryer to stay in front! :driving:

what on earth is this thread about.
The VZ HSV's arent as good as a typhoon, why would a VT be.:dance:

[Freaky]

I think he might mean performance mods that would allow his VT SS to show a stock typhoon his rear bumper.

I would say its pretty simple really. Cam package/diff gears to out power it. Shock/Spring upgrade to out handle it. And 4 spot Harrops to out brake it.

If the Typhoon was going to be modded though, you'll probably need to get a hairdryer to stay in front! :driving:

Why even bother, the VT is ancient. If you want typhoon perfomance just buy one.

Basic mods without too much $$ gets you a VERY fast car with the F6.

[VooDoo]

typhoon is a nice car but Ford still have a lot of work before they get me over there. For a lot less you can get a Holden going a lot faster, stopping quicker and stil looking a whole lot better :D

[QIKMIK]

I think he might mean performance mods that would allow his VT SS to show a stock typhoon his rear bumper.

I would say its pretty simple really. Cam package/diff gears to out power it. Shock/Spring upgrade to out handle it. And 4 spot Harrops to out brake it.

If the Typhoon was going to be modded though, you'll probably need to get a hairdryer to stay in front! :driving:With a budget of $40000, the Phoon would be a distant memory. GEN-T or 427, beefed up 383 (see C4B's car). Even when buying all the gucci gear suspension/brakes/wheels/tyres wise, you'll still come out ahead financially, till you go to sell it anyway.

Mick

[TigerMon]

that's it's - "for less" and they're still looking ordinary compared to a Holden...

Even after seven years there is no Ford that matches this in looks...
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1323825.jpg

hmm 427 :idea:

[mandarin]

that's it's - "for less" and they're still looking ordinary compared to a Holden...

Even after seven years there is no Ford that matches this in looks...
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1323825.jpg

hmm 427 :idea:

LOL

how do I post a pic?? ill show you one

[Freaky]

that's it's - "for less" and they're still looking ordinary compared to a Holden...

Even after seven years there is no Ford that matches this in looks...
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1323825.jpg

hmm 427 :idea:

sorry dude. IMO thats looks ancient. Times have changed. That colour is wrong.

[mandarin]

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Shelby-GR1-Concept/Shelby-GR1-Concept-007.jpg

[Freaky]

With a budget of $40000, the Phoon would be a distant memory. GEN-T or 427, beefed up 383 (see C4B's car). Even when buying all the gucci gear suspension/brakes/wheels/tyres wise, you'll still come out ahead financially, till you go to sell it anyway.

Mick

$40k is alot to spend to beat a phoon. The BF phoons run high 12s/low 13s stock. A simple edit, high flow injectors makce it alot faster. Very basic mods. they havent even cracked the code to edit the ZF yet, once they do, even better times.

Looks are subjective. IMO VTs look ancient, the curves are a sign of a decade ago. The dash is yuk as well.

Who am I to argue. I'll keep my mouth shut. This is a Holden forum.:fewl:

[VooDoo]

$40k is alot to spend to beat a phoon. The BF phoons run high 12s/low 13s stock. A simple edit, high flow injectors makce it alot faster. Very basic mods. they havent even cracked the code to edit the ZF yet, once they do, even better times.

Looks are subjective. IMO VTs look ancient, the curves are a sign of a decade ago. The dash is yuk as well.

Who am I to argue. I'll keep my mouth shut. This is a Holden forum.:fewl:

do they run 11's unopened? :stick:

I had to laugh at your dash joke though, thats a funny one. The BA/BF dash would have to be the worst dash ever. The starter button is cool though :D

Curves never go out of date, Ford tried the sharp lines for a while, then went back to more curves. For some reason many ppl think the sharper lines must mean modern, go look at most euro cars these days, back to the curves again after being so angular (ferrari, BMW, Merc). The VY/VZ took on more sharpness in design but most ppl admit the VT shape was the best ever. The BA still looks to much like the AU to me though.

BTW, it costs under 5k to beat a phoon, not 40k. (ie 20k + 5k > 60k phoon)

[Dacious]

But he doesn't need to spend $40K to beat a 'Phoon. A stock VT GTS would probably hand it it's arse in any test. And they are down to a lot less than $40K. IMO, it still looks better than the F6.

No offence on the Typhoon, but even Motor only got 13.9 out of it on PCOTY. I don't think the Typhoon will beat a manual Clubby R8 around - or down - a track, either.

Guys with GTS 2 and 4-doors have got them to less than high twelves. All even a stock VX SS needs to do is race the F6 to it's top speed - it'll go about 15km/h faster because Ford feels it necessary to speed limit the BA/BF.

Who's to say the ZF won't simply start breaking when they 'crack' the code and start removing anti-abuse features?

[vt350phantom]

I actually had a run with some smart arse in a blue typhoon the other day. I don't think he liked the sight of the bowtie sticker staring at him from my back window!

Why piss around with 6 cylinders? If you're serious about going quick get a v8. Do you see Victor Bray et al. using six cylinders?? :lmao:

:flip3:

[xshore]

that's it's - "for less" and they're still looking ordinary compared to a Holden...

Even after seven years there is no Ford that matches this in looks...
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1323825.jpg

hmm 427 :idea:

I still am in love with it, don't want to sell mine anytime soon! (also depreciation is a bitch). This one needs to be dropped just a little lower. This doesn't really answer original question but I reckon Dacious has it covered.

[Freaky]

No offence on the Typhoon, but even Motor only got 13.9 out of it on PCOTY.

We all know Motor cant drive. They cant get a decent time out of any car. :yup:

Forget the mags, check out what times the BFs are running at the strip.

At the end of the day, it's all good fun

[markone2]

We all know Motor cant drive. They cant get a decent time out of any car. :yup:

Forget the mags, check out what times the BFs are running at the strip.




I have / I do...Willowbank......all high 13's to mid 14's...Zero typhoons at 12's.....numbers backed by the resident *Watcher* in the stands..........

[mandarin]

I have / I do...Willowbank......all high 13's to mid 14's...Zero typhoons at 12's.....numbers backed by the resident *Watcher* in the stands..........

incorrect... there is a yellow zf bf typhoon that has been to willowbank running low 13's... best of 13.1 absolutley stock... zero in the 12's in qld but there is 2 stock phoons in oz that are running high twelves. BA typhoons are running high 13's low 14's (manuals) BF typhoons are low 13's (ZF box).

[markone2]

incorrect... there is a yellow zf bf typhoon that has been to willowbank running low 13's... best of 13.1 absolutley stock... zero in the 12's in qld but there is 2 stock phoons in oz that are running high twelves. BA typhoons are running high 13's low 14's (manuals) BF typhoons are low 13's (ZF box).


Ye Gods :shock: I've missed a T&T :errr:.....but I didn't miss the Red VZ Clubbie than ran 13.1 straight off the dealers floor...........:hide: but we won't go too far into that...

[PepeLePew]

Freaky and Mandarin lets not turn this into a Holden vs Ford bitch fest. We have a guy that loves his car and cant afford to spend 60K on something who wants to at least make his car as quick as the F6, you should be gratified rather than defensive that hes using it as a benchmark. He couldve been comparing it to an HSV product....

Shes a nice ride, looks are subjective and like it or not its weathering well. Not everyone likes the look of the Phoon, or the current HSV crop for that matter. Please allow room for other peoples taste.

[Speedy Gonzales]

Tigermon - I think the best port of call is to go to a workshop and ask yourself these Qs.

1. How fast do you want to go?

2. How big is your wallet?

[Hellbent]

bang for buck you can't go past an older ls1 with mods, if you can't afford a new one . i paid 15000 grand for mine and have spent a further 8000 on mods suspension power and so on... could have bought one allready done for that but it's not the same....this thread should read how do u get a typhoon to sound like an LS1. :nyuk:

[ITROCS]

bang for buck you can't go past an older ls1 with mods, if you can't afford a new one . i paid 15000 grand for mine and have spent a further 8000 on mods suspension power and so on... could have bought one allready done for that but it's not the same....this thread should read how do u get a typhoon to sound like an LS1. :nyuk:

Well said:nyuk:

[team illucid]

what on earth is this thread about.

The VZ HSV's arent as good as a typhoon, why would a VT be.:dance:

I know more than a few VT's that are a lot better than a Typhoon (or VZ HSV)

Hell, my 30yo SS Torana will show them up - no its not stock, but neither is any HSV or FPV on the market. You want stock, you have to go to the basic model. Standard is the additions to stock as purchased.

[ratter]

There are a couple of Typhoons running 11's unopened at the momment.

[mandarin]

Freaky and Mandarin lets not turn this into a Holden vs Ford bitch fest. .

I have never turned it into one. I just corrected an incorrect point. Im not here to stir trouble. I have an appreciation for both sides. Which is why I come on here and read the achievements you guys have made. Most times I dont post, I just catch up on who has done what and thats it.

Markone, the bf that ran the 13.1 at willowbank was stock and the owner has no plans to modify it. He just cant see the point in doing it.

[mandarin]

There are a couple of Typhoons running 11's unopened at the momment.

this is correct and a great achievement with minimal mods.

[F6Mauz]

12.7 is the best time so far for a stock phoon.

[Aus8]

I can confirm I have seen many a Typhoon doing high 12's stock as a rock. I hate to say it but that Tiger VTII does look ancient and IMO a yellow BF Typhoon with black 19's and big ass Brembo's looks better than anything Aussie on the road atm!

I agree though for the price you could get a VT to go better, but where do you draw the line? You can get a VTSS going better than anything if you have the $$$$$$.

I am a big fan of the interior aswell and love the colour tft screen with the TV and DVD kit hooked up. (The VE will finally have colour screen in upspec models)

One of the main things for me in the Typhoon is the package. Stock 12 second car (Remember this is a heavier car than our Commodores, and Falcons are a bigger car being Longer and wider). 6 speed Auto gearbox is a absoloute pearler especially if you are used to the old Clunker 4 speed. I never respected the Typhoon until I took a 6 speed Auto version for a drive, you wont be disapointed.

If I was in that 60k market it would definitley be my choice atm, HSV havent done it for me since the VX2.

My thoughts

Aus8

[ratter]

12.7 is the best time so far for a stock phoon.


I was replying to VOODOO who asked if they run 11's unopened.

[HazzaHSV]

err no. How about the fact that his budget might not be 60 grand or the fact he might want a V8 (no ford alternative there ATM).

Why even bother, the VT is ancient. If you want typhoon perfomance just buy one.
Basic mods without too much $$ gets you a VERY fast car with the F6.

[Freaky]

Its interesting why TigerMon asks what he needs to do to make his VT as good as a typhoon.

He must obviously consider this to be the best performance car in OZ. Otherwise he would have asked how to make his VT as good as a VZ clubby :confused:

[turbo6]

I have / I do...Willowbank......all high 13's to mid 14's...Zero typhoons at 12's.....numbers backed by the resident *Watcher* in the stands..........

Just so you know (and I am reasonably proud) I have actually run a 12.3 at 119MPH in my F6 at Willowbank earlier this year - with a rubbish 2.4sec 60ft time !

It was bloody hot, unfriendly turbo conditions, I was using stock rubber - crappy Dunlops still at road pressures, no lightening of the car whatsoever and with my previous tune of 355rwkw's. Oh, it is a manual and I was being very kind on the gear changes - no flat shifting or the like. It is running around 400rwkw's now with 275/30-20's on the rear but still has no traction....... my new engine (bottom end) and clutch goes in next week so I may venture out to WB again after that while the weather is still cool to try and grab an 11.

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Not pointing any fingures or anything, but I find the deadstock talk of 12's interesting in that how hard would it be to tune and boost a Typhoon without anybody knowing? Same goes for the LS1's, it wouldnt be hard to hide a MAF edit and still call it "deadstock"

[markone2]

Just so you know (and I am reasonably proud) I have actually run a 12.3 at 119MPH in my F6 at Willowbank earlier this year - with a rubbish 2.4sec 60ft time !

It was bloody hot, unfriendly turbo conditions, I was using stock rubber - crappy Dunlops still at road pressures, no lightening of the car whatsoever and with my previous tune of 355rwkw's. Oh, it is a manual and I was being very kind on the gear changes - no flat shifting or the like. It is running around 400rwkw's now with 275/30-20's on the rear but still has no traction....... my new engine (bottom end) and clutch goes in next week so I may venture out to WB again after that while the weather is still cool to try and grab an 11.

I was quoting times for factory cars :) ...allowing I missed the yellow BF.....Look forward to matching my humble 283rwkw against your 400rwkw..at the track someday.......

[2001 ITR]

Play to one of your strengths (lighter weight), try circuit racing. Motor got a 1:44.6 at Winton in an auto F6, that time shouldn’t be hard to beat in a fiddled with VT. I can vaguely remember Wheels getting 1:11’s at Calder’s long circuit too (a bit quicker than a Honda S2000 on R’s). Stock BF’s (especially the V8’s) have never seemed to post quick lap times (if anyone can correct me, please post up the Victorian laptimes and the mods on the car).

Fiddle with the suspension and brakes, fit sticky tyres then the engine and you should be doing quicker lap times. I cant get on the HSVV records bit on their website but I am betting that some of their cars (and associate members) would beat a stock F6’s times.

Your VT may not be as “good” as a Typhoon but it will be quicker on the track and that means a lot to me.

[RED R8]

Its interesting why TigerMon asks what he needs to do to make his VT as good as a typhoon.

He must obviously consider this to be the best performance car in OZ. Otherwise he would have asked how to make his VT as good as a VZ clubby :confused:
Maybe he considers it the best performanc car at Ford not oz and he wants to know that if he comes up against one he can give it what for.Also I think calling a F6 and factory 12 second car is being a little optamistic sure a couple have run high 12's but the majority run mid to high 13's :flip2: .

[Freaky]

Maybe he considers it the best performanc car at Ford not oz and he wants to know that if he comes up against one he can give it what for.Also I think calling a F6 and factory 12 second car is being a little optamistic sure a couple have run high 12's but the majority run mid to high 13's :flip2: .

Hehe. Actually he quoted this in his 3rd post.


Its the best oz sports car, that what it means. but, typhoon= 60k. VT11SS = 20K. 40K!


The earlier BA models are slower and run high 13's. It seems the BF with the auto and totally different exhaust system to the BA are running much quicker and are braking into the 12's.

Doesnt matter what you drive, its all good fun.

[turbo6]

I was quoting times for factory cars :) ...allowing I missed the yellow BF.....Look forward to matching my humble 283rwkw against your 400rwkw..at the track someday.......

Mate, you are completely correct....sorry.

Anyway, I guarantee you will probably net a quicker et than me!! Traction is a very big issue, but my MPH should be quite high.

[Aus8]

Yeah the 6 Speed Pearler of a Auto has done wonders for this car! 270fwkw is very very optimistic of Ford too, obviously to try and keep the Boss selling. A F6 A6 is a very good package of a motor car IMO.
Aus8

[TigerMon]

Awesome discussion, thanks all I learned heaps! :headbang:

alas, ...wait for it, my current ride = 85 Bluebird, 560,000 kms. It's a five speed, twin spark plug model, with aircon! A vt ss would be good value I think for 20k.

Have had 68HK GTS 307, 69HK GTS 327, vtss, vys, 02 monaro :bawl:

Full on house reno's at the moment mean zero $ for car. Once this is complete (can't wait for the day) a new car is first on the list. The vt's are top value I think. F6 would be great fun! Clubby DTS is other big $ choice, fyi.

Cheers! :)

[Angeldust]

560 000 k's on a bluebird,

impressive :burnout:

[NinetySix]

does it look anything like one of these (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29683&item=8777919197)? :diddy:

[HazzaHSV]

Well if you want to beat stock Porsche's, STi's, Evo's aswell as Phoons for under 25k and still have a big family car your on the right track with a modified VT II Gen3. :headbang: :evil: If you don't need the big family bit, then an old modified WRX might do the same for that money too.

The vt's are top value I think. F6 would be great fun! Clubby DTS is other big $ choice, fyi.

[Phoon Hoon]

that's it's - "for less" and they're still looking ordinary compared to a Holden...

Even after seven years there is no Ford that matches this in looks...
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1323825.jpg

hmm 427 :idea:

Thank God for that. That is one ugly Mofo. And I know ugly... my other car is an AU.

[ADSXR8]

I dont think you ever could. I own a BF Typhoon and they are the complete package. My work vehicle is a VZSV6 and does the job of getting me around.

Not taking into consideration performance, the ride of the Holden is far short of the Falcon. Primarily of the old technology in the VZ. I'm sure this will change when the VE arrives.

But dont insult the Typhoon and even attempt to put a VTII in the category, even with $40k additionally spent on it.

[HSVMAN]

I dont think you ever could. I own a BF Typhoon and they are the complete package. My work vehicle is a VZSV6 and does the job of getting me around.
Not taking into consideration performance, the ride of the Holden is far short of the Falcon. Primarily of the old technology in the VZ. I'm sure this will change when the VE arrives.
But dont insult the Typhoon and even attempt to put a VTII in the category, even with $40k additionally spent on it.

You are right, he couldn't make "as good as" but he can sure as hell make it faster :)

[Freaky]

You are right, he couldn't make "as good as" but he can sure as hell make it faster :)

you can also make a shitbox datsun faster if you throw a heap of money on it. Big deal.

Its about the total package. :driving:

[hotbox]

Thank God for that. That is one ugly Mofo. And I know ugly... my other car is an AU.

Same lines as the current monaro so i pressume you think they are ugly mofo's aswell:stick:

[HSVMAN]

you can also make a shitbox datsun faster if you throw a heap of money on it. Big deal.
Its about the total package. :driving:

Its also about answering the guy's questions which is what the thread is about. He can make it stop and handle better too if he wanted to spend the money. Would it be a better car? Probably not. Personally I would prefer to buy something later like a VZ C/sport but if money is an issue - which was the basis of the thread - then what this chap wants to do is completely up to him :)

[hotbox]

maybe compare apple with apples compare a GT-P with a SV6000:lmao: chalk and cheese

[HazzaHSV]

I believe TigerMon might be talking about "performance" not "comfort", I mean he is using the Phoon as the benchmark not a Statesman/Fairlane. The BA/BF chassis, from everywhere I have read, aren't that great around a track, just look at the V8's, shocking even compared to "old" technology VZ. Track ability is what I would class as "performance" not how comfy it is putting around town at 80 with the odd corner.

Considering at my first ever track day the similarly experienced Phoon driver was struggling to get under 1:18's I wouldn't be using them as a performance benchmark. If you want a comfortable everyday driver, that can also hand a stock Porsche, STi, Evo, Phoon, HSV its ass around a track for under 30 grand, nothing better than a modded VT II IMO. If you want a new, stock, all round sports car and have 60k to spend then no doubt the Phoon comes into its own.

So I wouldn't insult a modded VT II by saying a stock phoon would get anywhere near it performance wise on the track or the road. Of course there's no denying its a great car given its stock, but it definately isn't a track/handling warrior. And considering the thread starter obviously doesn't have 60k, then this is a way he can have a faster, better handling, better stopping car and keep the same looking car he has and enjoy's now.

I dont think you ever could. I own a BF Typhoon and they are the complete package. My work vehicle is a VZSV6 and does the job of getting me around.
Not taking into consideration performance, the ride of the Holden is far short of the Falcon. Primarily of the old technology in the VZ. I'm sure this will change when the VE arrives.
But dont insult the Typhoon and even attempt to put a VTII in the category, even with $40k additionally spent on it.

[HazzaHSV]

Thank God for that. That is one ugly Mofo. And I know ugly... my other car is an AU.
Although I prefer the VY shape, I wouldn't put the very popular VT looks into the ugly basket with the very unpopular AU looks. Ford Motor Company even admitted it.

[RED R8]

:stick: The falcon has to have a better smoother ride or the passenger's won't pay

[Freaky]

:stick: The falcon has to have a better smoother ride or the passenger's won't pay

i'll pay that. funny :thumbsup:

[RED R8]

i'll pay that. funny :thumbsup:
Thanks for the sense of humour.Me does like the typhoon him is very fast I will test drive one next year come trade time but I find it very hard to not own an angry V8.

[Freaky]

Thanks for the sense of humour.Me does like the typhoon him is very fast I will test drive one next year come trade time but I find it very hard to not own an angry V8.

we are all enthusiasts, abit of friendly rivalry is fun as long as its not taken too far.

[Knight Phlier]

Thanks for the sense of humour.Me does like the typhoon him is very fast I will test drive one next year come trade time but I find it very hard to not own an angry V8.

Typhoon is a great package, but I am sure Holden won't just be sitting on the fence with the VE, they have hinted at the TTV6 and I would be suprised if it wasn't in the lineup.

Back to the question of this thread - The VT should not be embarrassed for looks as it is a 8-9 year old car. And it is one of if not the most popular selling car in this country ever! With the usual bolt ons and a cam if it can be afforded, the VT would not be out of league of many a performance car for some time to come.

[Freaky]

Typhoon is a great package, but I am sure Holden won't just be sitting on the fence with the VE, they have hinted at the TTV6 and I would be suprised if it wasn't in the lineup.

Have read of the VE thread, already been mentioned by HFV6 the TTV6 wont be happening with the VE.

Then again....

[HazzaHSV]

I doubt it also and I think this is a BIG BIG mistake. I am a V8 man through and through, but I think some rivalry between the two big aussie's in the turbo market would be great. I think Holden have missed the boat here. I spose as long as their V8's stay well ahead in that segment they can afford to choose their time to enter turbo market but still not good.

Have read of the VE thread, already been mentioned by HFV6 the TTV6 wont be happening with the VE.

Then again....

[duke5700]

There is nothing i like more than rolling on against a porshe boxster or what ever ( i nearly got smoked buy a jag the other day :errr: ) the more expensive car is and eating them alive. When you having a dreaded do i say it traffic light battle the oh my BF typhoon/xr6 turbo even Clubsport goes well round a corner and rides nice blah blah and you beat them braggin rights all round. Call me immature but damn thats hillarious. That 80k they spent and my 30k spent and they still cant beat me... suckers

[NinetySix]

i dont think people buy boxsters or jags for traffic light GP races with commodores... but hey, what ever floats your boat :karate:

[Ghosn]

There is nothing i like more than rolling on against a porshe boxster or what ever ( i nearly got smoked buy a jag the other day :errr: ) the more expensive car is and eating them alive. When you having a dreaded do i say it traffic light battle the oh my BF typhoon/xr6 turbo even Clubsport goes well round a corner and rides nice blah blah and you beat them braggin rights all round. Call me immature but damn thats hillarious. That 80k they spent and my 30k spent and they still cant beat me... suckers

That's a really poor arguement.

So if someone spends more on a car, they have to be quicker than someone who spends less otherwise they are a sucker? Pisses me off when people think like that.

So if I buy a shit heap VL turbo with some minor mods for say less than 15k and I beat u at the lights, u wont get upset if i laugh in ur face and call u sucker?

You do realise the extra money spent actually goes towards other luxuries besides performance?

[NinetySix]

So if someone spends more on a car, they have to be quicker than someone who spends less otherwise they are a sucker? Pisses me off when people think like that.
its a common attitude it seems :clown:

im sure sam newman would be pissed off when a turbo ls1 smokes his murcielago (even if it is last years model :limpy:) .... but it wouldnt bother me, i would put money on it being perhaps the most wild thing on the road... immagine having such an engine only a few inches behind your scone :flame: nice big italian go kart :drool:

[Souljah]

How to make a VT11 SS as good as typhoon
Drive it down to your local Ford dealer. Trade it in on a brand new BF Typhoon with the 6 speed auto and Brembo package. :nyuk:

[kayman]

There is nothing i like more than rolling on against a porshe boxster or what ever ( i nearly got smoked buy a jag the other day ) the more expensive car is and eating them alive. When you having a dreaded do i say it traffic light battle the oh my BF typhoon/xr6 turbo even Clubsport goes well round a corner and rides nice blah blah and you beat them braggin rights all round. Call me immature but damn thats hillarious. That 80k they spent and my 30k spent and they still cant beat me... suckers


but u do realise that people look at your car and think, "bogan"

[HazzaHSV]

Agreed. I got done at a Hillclimb by a Datsun 1200 rally car. Nothing standard about it but worth maybe 5 grand tops. Good luck to him but I wouldn't swap for any money. Nor would the guy in the 05 911 Carerra swap with me because I beat him around Wakefield. But it's still nice knowing our aussie muscle (cmon its got some luxury too :) ) can match it with some of the best when they come out to drive them the way they were designed to be driven.

That's a really poor arguement.
So if someone spends more on a car, they have to be quicker than someone who spends less otherwise they are a sucker? Pisses me off when people think like that.
So if I buy a shit heap VL turbo with some minor mods for say less than 15k and I beat u at the lights, u wont get upset if i laugh in ur face and call u sucker?
You do realise the extra money spent actually goes towards other luxuries besides performance?

[duke5700]

i dont think people buy boxsters or jags for traffic light GP races with commodores... but hey, what ever floats your boat :karate:

If they dont buy them to look good and be better than everyone else why have a small traffic light duel to prove they are better then and shitty commonwhore?? Why did you buy your kwaka? if not to go fast occasionally?

I never said i didnt appreciate the nicer car which is what a porche or a jag may be. But my SS goes as fast or faster, stops faster, handles well, has leather, still gets 700 to a tank and is my daily driver. How can you not see the irony of anyone spending 50.000 less and having a car that performs to the same levels. I havnt spent 10k on my car yet. It would be the same if the person bought an XR6 Turbo. why spend 60k on a phoon when you can pick an XR6T for 24k which i seen at an auction last week and for the same kind of budget as a LS1 powered holden more than hold a candle to the supposedly superior cars arse. Im sure its fine if you want to buy your typhoon or whatever brand spanker car you want but realise the parts that make you go fast your only going to pull them off for faster parts. If you dont want to make your car a little faster or better your probably on the wrong forum. Maybe you could try the Volvo forum. Why not start with a little less and have a little more at the end. Why spend that much and lose massive amounts of re sale value on your car. Go right ahead you can be just like sam newman.....

Ghosn why did you buy a monaro? if not for performance and comfort surely you could of bought something else? you have a monaro? did you buy it because you are just passionate about holdens or because it had the features you wanted in that price range?


I might be a bogan but atleast this bogan is in front financially and in distance.

[NinetySix]

well then hey im more of a bogan, my factory 10 second machine only cost me 3k :diddy:

[kayman]

I might be a bogan but atleast this bogan is in front financially and in distance.

Maybe thats the jag and porsh owners where you live, the ones around my area are pretty cashed up.



Why spend that much and lose massive amounts of re sale value on your car. Go right ahead you can be just like sam newman.....

have you actually driven a lambo?

[duke5700]

That's a really poor arguement.

So if someone spends more on a car, they have to be quicker than someone who spends less otherwise they are a sucker? Pisses me off when people think like that.

So if I buy a shit heap VL turbo with some minor mods for say less than 15k and I beat u at the lights, u wont get upset if i laugh in ur face and call u sucker?

You do realise the extra money spent actually goes towards other luxuries besides performance?


Ghosn sounds like youve been done in by a shit heap VL turbo. Of course that would make me or anyone think, damn thats a fast car and be dissapointed. Well yeah ive been done by a VL at WSID ( i used to drive a shitbox VLT). If i wasnt worried about luxury i would of stayed with my VL. Thats why i bought my SS. I spose if i didnt want to be quicker than anyone else i would have bought a hilux and been really practical. So why buy a performance car if occasionally you dont make it perform at the track? Unless your just posing in it?

[Ghosn]

If they dont buy them to look good and be better than everyone else why have a small traffic light duel to prove they are better then and shitty commonwhore?? Why did you buy your kwaka? if not to go fast occasionally?

I never said i didnt appreciate the nicer car which is what a porche or a jag may be. But my SS goes as fast or faster, stops faster, handles well, has leather, still gets 700 to a tank and is my daily driver. How can you not see the irony of anyone spending 50.000 less and having a car that performs to the same levels. I havnt spent 10k on my car yet. It would be the same if the person bought an XR6 Turbo. why spend 60k on a phoon when you can pick an XR6T for 24k which i seen at an auction last week and for the same kind of budget as a LS1 powered holden more than hold a candle to the supposedly superior cars arse. Im sure its fine if you want to buy your typhoon or whatever brand spanker car you want but realise the parts that make you go fast your only going to pull them off for faster parts. If you dont want to make your car a little faster or better your probably on the wrong forum. Maybe you could try the Volvo forum. Why not start with a little less and have a little more at the end. Why spend that much and lose massive amounts of re sale value on your car. Go right ahead you can be just like sam newman.....

Ghosn why did you buy a monaro? if not for performance and comfort surely you could of bought something else? you have a monaro? did you buy it because you are just passionate about holdens or because it had the features you wanted in that price range?


I might be a bogan but atleast this bogan is in front financially and in distance.

Can you be any more ignorant and narrowminded?

Let's all think like you and buy a shitbox and the only thing going for it is straight line speed? Im sure we would all enjoy our rides so much more.

And for u to say u are financially infront and in distance. How can u make a statement like that when u know jack shit about any of us? :fewl:

[Ghosn]

Ghosn sounds like youve been done in by a shit heap VL turbo. Of course that would make me or anyone think, damn thats a fast car and be dissapointed.

err, rightio?



( i used to drive a shitbox VLT). If i wasnt worried about luxury i would of stayed with my VL. Thats why i bought my SS.

So you just admitted by ur own standards that you are a sucker?

[duke5700]

Maybe thats the jag and porsh owners where you live, the ones around my area are pretty cashed up.




have you actually driven a lambo?

Im sure most porsche and jag owners are preety cashed up otherwise they would be driving commdores?? So im sure its fine for them to lose there money...

I have, a gallardo up at cairns. A gentlemen i did a favour for took me for a spin. Something i will never forget. A absolutey beautiful car. An absolute engineering masterpeice, but all the same a car you cant do a hell of alot with other than go fast. The auto gearbag in it only liked one speed and that was flat out, the rest of the time it was more jerky and uncomfortable than my commodore which can contain my 6ft 2in frame no worries fast or slow.

[duke5700]

err, rightio?




So you just admitted by ur own standards that you are a sucker?


AS in my financial situation. I didnt mention your or anyone elses. I could have spent 60k on a newie instead bought 2nd hand and im still 20k infront? preety simple maths. You must be a genius.

Well yeah i would be a sucker when i think i line up a supposedly slower and not as well engineered car and get done. My own fault for thinkin less of a car which has deeper merit on the performance side of things.

[kayman]

Im sure most porsche and jag owners are preety cashed up otherwise they would be driving commdores?? So im sure its fine for them to lose there money...

I have, a gallardo up at cairns. A gentlemen i did a favour for took me for a spin. Something i will never forget. A absolutey beautiful car. An absolute engineering masterpeice, but all the same a car you cant do a hell of alot with other than go fast. The auto gearbag in it only liked one speed and that was flat out, the rest of the time it was more jerky and uncomfortable than my commodore which can contain my 6ft 2in frame no worries fast or slow.

Well, having driven one of these auto "gearbags" as you call them, they are actually quite simple to drive slowly, once you get the hang of it of course (spent a lot of my time parking the damn thing). Dream to drive and i would take it over a commodore anyday... even for a daily if i didnt need the bootspace.

[Ghosn]

AS in my financial situation. I didnt mention your or anyone elses. I could have spent 60k on a newie instead bought 2nd hand and im still 20k infront? preety simple maths. You must be a genius.

Well yeah i would be a sucker when i think i line up a supposedly slower and not as well engineered car and get done. My own fault for thinkin less of a car which has deeper merit on the performance side of things.

You still don't get it? I guess it's pointless and a waste of my own time trying to educate the uneducated.

[Freaky]

So why buy a performance car if occasionally you dont make it perform at the track? Unless your just posing in it?

grow up. your posts are stupid.

Just because you buy a performance car doesnt mean you need to mod it and make it go faster.

Not everyone takes there cars to the track. My F6 may never see the track. I dont buy it to brag about being the fastest around. Its the total package I look at. Safety, comfort, NVH, performance.

If some people like to mod their cars good on them, if others dont and leave them stock good on them too.


I could have spent 60k on a newie instead bought 2nd hand and im still 20k infront? preety simple maths. You must be a genius.

If you could really afford one you would have one. Stop spinning crap.

Those that can do. Those that cant find excuses.

[duke5700]

You still don't get it? I guess it's pointless and a waste of my own time trying to educate the uneducated.

I still dont see the point your trying to make. I bought a car for 30K for arguments MR X bought a car for 80k. My car goes round corners better, stops better and accelerates better is just as comfortable and is better to use as a daily driver. Ive spent less have the same features. What makes MR X's car better? it has better badge?? So enlighten me as to where i have gone wrong you so educated you.

For someone like me who is so uneducated when it comes to cars, all the mods on this present car i have completed my self. Brakes, inlet manifild, suspension everything. All reaserched and with the help of the many great sponsors on this site who i have purchased the parts off. Everything except tuning the car. So because i dont see your point of veiw im uneducated. Maybe from my point of veiw you would be uneducated. Obviously you cant see the satisfaction of crafting a car from you own money, blood sweat and tears and it being a superior car because of it. There is a pride in doing that.

[duke5700]

grow up. your posts are stupid.

Just because you buy a performance car doesnt mean you need to mod it and make it go faster.

Not everyone takes there cars to the track. My F6 may never see the track. I dont buy it to brag about being the fastest around. Its the total package I look at. Safety, comfort, NVH, performance.



If some people like to mod their cars good on them, if others dont and leave them stock good on them too.



If you could really afford one you would have one. Stop spinning crap.

Those that can do. Those that cant find excuses.

So your never going to stretch your F6's legs a bit? why dont you buy a ghia they go allright they are comfortable and im sure they have better sound insulating qualites than a F6. So only on a performance basis the F6 would beat it hands down. Performance must be a larger point than the rest for consideration?

And you know this for sure? the fact i could of spent the other 20k on part of the deposit for my 2nd house? That was the descision I faced. Spend money on a larger depreciating asset or by something i wont lose as much money on but have the same benefits and be able to buy an appreciating asset. Hmmm hard choice that one....

[Freaky]

And you know this for sure? the fact i could of spent the other 20k on part of the deposit for my 2nd house? That was the descision I faced. Spend money on a larger depreciating asset or by something i wont lose as much money on but have the same benefits and be able to buy an appreciating asset. Hmmm hard choice that one....

What you do with your finances is your business.

Why didnt you use the $40k you spent on your SS to buy another 2 houses.

Using your own logic, you could pick up something for 5K and make it go as fast as your VX SS.

[NinetySix]

I still dont see the point your trying to make. I bought a car for 30K for arguments MR X bought a car for 80k. My car goes round corners better, stops better and accelerates better is just as comfortable and is better to use as a daily driver. Ive spent less have the same features. What makes MR X's car better? it has better badge?? So enlighten me as to where i have gone wrong you so educated you.
a 30k vx ss handles, stops and accellerates better than a boxster?

[RED R8]

Duke5700 I wouldn't even compare our comodores to some of the cars you are referring to as a Jag,Porsche etc is a whole different kettle of fish OK you can make the LS1 run a 12.5 with a few mods but a porsche will run a 12 flog you arround a track stop in half the distance (all day) drive smoother have far superior safty features awsome paint finish excellent resale if you where to make your poo barge meet the exact same spec's whilst still meeting all ADR regulations and emision tests you can say goodby to 150k and still end up with a commodore worth 20k.
These cars have something we will never have and it is prestige that say's Ive made it and the owners want you to know they have lotsa $$$$.

Quit while your behind.

[duke5700]

What you do with your finances is your business.

Why didnt you use the $40 you spent on your SS to buy another 2 houses.

Using your own logic, you could pick up something for 5K and make it go as fast as your VX SS.


I bought my SS because i needed a comfortable reliable car with good performance aspirations. You cant walk to work everyday?

Because the gap between rent payments and loan repayments of the two extra houses would sacrifice my style of living, ie i couldnt afford to do it. I still enjoy my hobbies like fast cars.

If i bought a 5k car, the amount of effort and money required to make it as comfortable and fast as my VX SS would be hard to impossible to do. You would invest more money in the car than it was worth at that time. Yes i could make it as fast. Yes i could make it handle. Comfortable probably not. Engineered, probably not. The reason I couldnt go past the SS was that basic all round package that i could build on. I was a whisker away from buying a XR6T as well same difference.

[Speedy Gonzales]

These cars have something we will never have and it is prestige that say's Ive made it and the owners want you to know they have lotsa $$$$.


Some owners of marque type cars dont buy it to impress others or make a statement, some buy one as a reward / reminder for their hard work, dedication and success at what profession they choose to do.

Some owners like to pose and drive their cars in places which attract a lot of attention, and some like to keep it in the garage and bring it out once in a while to drive on isolated roads.

Fellas relax, any car can be made to perform or made more luxurious than another, it comes down to how big is your wallet, Ill assume you have all watched Rides.

[duke5700]

Duke5700 I wouldn't even compare our comodores to some of the cars you are referring to as a Jag,Porsche etc is a whole different kettle of fish OK you can make the LS1 run a 12.5 with a few mods but a porsche will run a 12 flog you arround a track stop in half the distance (all day) drive smoother have far superior safty features awsome paint finish excellent resale if you where to make your poo barge meet the exact same spec's whilst still meeting all ADR regulations and emision tests you can say goodby to 150k and still end up with a commodore worth 20k.
These cars have something we will never have and it is prestige that say's Ive made it and the owners want you to know they have lotsa $$$$.

Quit while your behind.

Dazvyss your 100% right a commodore will never have the prestige of a porsche or ferrari or whatever, but im preety sure all the turbo guys that have there cars engineered and, which alot of turbo kit suppliers have endevoured to do, would be dissapinted with that reply. If they then spent a decent amount on stoppers(all harrops are engineered to ADR) and some suspension work suddenly you have a poo barge that will completly decimate a porsche round the track. Those porsche owners with the gt2 will lose more money in resale value than the bloke with really well sorted commodores has spent on his performance goodies maybe even the whole car, and yes the porsche owner probably had the money to lose anyway.

[duke5700]

Some owners of marque type cars dont buy it to impress others or make a statement, some buy one as a reward / reminder for their hard work, dedication and success at what profession they choose to do.

Some owners like to pose and drive their cars in places which attract a lot of attention, and some like to keep it in the garage and bring it out once in a while to drive on isolated roads.

Fellas relax, any car can be made to perform or made more luxurious than another, it comes down to how big is your wallet, Ill assume you have all watched Rides.


Speedy is right we are bitchin about nothing. If you have earnt the right to have that kind of car you deserve it and probably dont deserve some young dickhead giving you a hard time because his car is faster in a straight line. I give up you are all right and im wrong. Just dont feel upset with that flash car of yours when i go faster round the track, quicker down the quater and can still tow my boat, and go and get the groceries with it. I promise not to gloat to much.

[RED R8]

Don't worrie Duke you know to a degree we all agree with you because we all drive commodores for the same reason as you .I still enjoy having a 30k SS that can toast 95% of road cars.All I know is from $1 to 1 million dollars you can have anything that tickles your fancy Lucky us.

[kayman]

Just dont feel upset with that flash car of yours when i go faster round the track, quicker down the quater and can still tow my boat, and go and get the groceries with it. I promise not to gloat to much.

not everyone cries when they get beat ;)

(anyway i aspire to get a gen3 and work it so its faster in a straight line than dad's lambo (only does low 13's))

that way i can give him a bit of shit even though i know his car(s) are far superior, and i thank god everyday i get to drive one.

[agg25]

Me mate has a Typhoon and has spent another $10k on it and says he's pulling high 10's at the drags in Perth. I usually take things he says with a grain of salt but after having read this thread I'm now inclined to believe him.

[Venom XR]

Need to re-title this thread "How to start a flame war" :flame:

[Ghosn]

Need to re-title this thread "How to start a flame war" :flame:

It was a stupid title to begin with ..

[HazzaHSV]

Yes quite easily actually (although mine is a 30k VY). Ask ScottR8 or the Canberra Porsche club. In fact the boxters were a fair way off the pace. I even out did the $200,000+ 997 2005 Carerra by a few tenths. Results (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?20/03/2006.WAKE.SS2.Y).

PS - Am I saying my SV8 is better than a 997 Carrera, farkkk no, not even close. But for my budget, I realise the prestige and extra comfort/engineering is never gonna happen. Still I wanted to go fast, spend average dollars, have a big family car for holidays, and get 12.5 - 13 l/100k's week to week just like 90% of everyone else on here. So horses for courses.

a 30k vx ss handles, stops and accellerates better than a boxster?

[minux]

If you could really afford one you would have one. Stop spinning crap.

Those that can do. Those that cant find excuses.

Although i disagree with the guy you arguing with, just wanted to bring something up.

I can afford to go out and buy any car that tickled my fancy...but i would prefer not to(mainly because atm it is a stupid thing to do with VE just around the corner). Just because you can afford something does not mean you have to buy it. We just bought a VY SV8 as my other half wanted a newer car than her VT. It was a heck of alot cheaper than buying new, had very low km's, and she prefered the VY interior of the VZ. Although we could afford a VZ SS or the like, we decided it wasn't practical to buy a new car with how fast you lose money on it.

Sorry just had to make those points

[Vulture]

Yes quite easily actually (although mine is a 30k VY). Ask ScottR8 or the Canberra Porsche club. In fact the boxters were a fair way off the pace. I even out did the $200,000+ 997 2005 Carerra by a few tenths.

Perhaps you're a heck of a better driver than some of those guys in Porsches?

[Freaky]

Although i disagree with the guy you arguing with, just wanted to bring something up.

I can afford to go out and buy any car that tickled my fancy...but i would prefer not to(mainly because atm it is a stupid thing to do with VE just around the corner). Just because you can afford something does not mean you have to buy it. We just bought a VY SV8 as my other half wanted a newer car than her VT. It was a heck of alot cheaper than buying new, had very low km's, and she prefered the VY interior of the VZ. Although we could afford a VZ SS or the lie, we decided it wasn't practical to buy a new car with how fast you lose money on it.

Sorry just had to make those points

Point taken. I understand that.

It was the way the other guy was carrying on about it.

[minux]

Point taken. I understand that.

It was the way the other guy was carrying on about it.

I agree there. I see you have a typhoon on order. Have fun with it, i quite often borrow a mates, it is great fun(wasnt a huge fan of the BA series the BF seems a much better package with the 6 speed auto).

[Freaky]

I agree there. I see you have a typhoon on order. Have fun with it, i quite often borrow a mates, it is great fun(wasnt a huge fan of the BA series the BF seems a much better package with the 6 speed auto).

The 6 speed auto really goes well with the F6 engine. Its a great combo.

If the new GM 6 speed in the VE is anything like the ZF, The holden boys will love it.

[HazzaHSV]

I wish. That was only my 3rd time on any circuit ever. The Porsche 997 driver was the son of the Porsche dealer here in Canberra and from what I heard has done a number of these events so I would say he was at least as good as me. Although I was very happy, and the time is good, I am not under some illusion I am a great race driver (after three times out) or my commodore is god's gift. Most of my laps had little mistakes to prove that and Beej, Lautray and a couple others are getting these times too.

Perhaps you're a heck of a better driver than some of those guys in Porsches?

[2001 ITR]

A guy I know bought his stock 1997 air-cooled 993 Porsche Carrera 2. He has fitted R spec rubber, good brake pads and a harness. All he does for maintenance is put oil and petrol in it. He has done a 1:54 at Phillip Island, a 1:26 at Sandown, a1:06 at Calder and a 1:37 at Winton. The thing has been on a racetrack at least once a month for 3 years and NOTHING has broken on it. On the track days that I have seen it at the thing goes through two tanks of gas and has the wheels driven off it for hours. He has now sold the car for what he initially paid for it. I don’t know if a stock 10 year old Commodore could post those times, cop that abuse without breaking and retain that resale value.

Bag the poseur Porsche drivers all you want but the cars themselves are something special.

[2001 ITR]

The 993 weighs 1375kg and only has 340nm and 212kw. I was side by side coming on to the front straight at Winton and although he had 80kg of passenger on board he couldn’t get a real run on me. That surprised me as my ITR is hardly a torque-miester in a straight line. His lap times where about 6 secs quicker than my best times so he must have been making it all up under braking and handling.

[NinetySix]

ill rephrase my original question ....

is a bog stock standard SS (any gen3 model) with stock rubber stock brakes/pads and no edit capable of handing a stock boxster its arse around a circuit with more turns than bathurst, with drivers of equal skill levels?

answers from the head not the heart please :hide:

[HazzaHSV]

Hope that wasn't for me? I wasn't bagging anyone. I commend them for bringing them out on the track and driving them for what they were designed for. I would chicken out with 200 grand on the line. Good on em.

Of course no stock Holden is ever going to cut it with a Carerra. Considering a 97 Holden SS new was 40 grand new and the 97 Carerra $200,000 new. But don't forget, that guys 1997 993 is 55 grands worth.

I am not comparing the two but I was looking at an old ex commodore cup car last year that was for sale. It was a VH 83 model. The owner said it does 1:51's at Phillip Island. Of course they are no where near stock and alot older, but would probably be just as reliable and a little quicker for the 15 grand he was asking. Good value if you want an affordable race car but unlike the Porsche you wouldn't be using it as a daily driver :lol: .

Bag the poseur Porsche drivers all you want but the cars themselves are something special.

[HazzaHSV]

Oi no changing the goal posts. You said "a 30k vx ss handles, stops and accellerates better than a boxster?". Nothing about stock in there (in fact if you payed anywhere near 30k for a stock vx ss you would be very silly, more like 20k). So you didn't like my answer and moved the posts :D

For starters since the boxter S is $130,000 worth I think it would be fair to put it up against at least a Clubsport DTS. In this case the answer is the same. YES!! Rick Bates (equal skill level) got a 1:10 around wakefield (more turns per metre than bathurst) out of a bog stock DTS and I can't remember exactly but 1:12+ for the Boxter.

ill rephrase my original question ....
is a bog stock standard SS (any gen3 model) with stock rubber stock brakes/pads and no edit capable of handing a stock boxster its arse around a circuit with more turns than bathurst, with drivers of equal skill levels?
answers from the head not the heart please :hide:
PS - I know I know the DTS will be worth less than half that a year later.. I will go look up the article but I am pretty sure the regular clubby was very close to the Boxter too for around half the money.

[NinetySix]

well maybe duke bought his VX a few years ago when they were worth 30k? i should have specified a stock one to begin with :rolleyes:

[HazzaHSV]

Short answer: NO. :stick:

No 20k stock VX SS is gonna get near a $130k boxter and nor should it.

well maybe duke bought his VX a few years ago when they were worth 30k? i should have specified a stock one to begin with :rolleyes:
PS - Can you tell its a slow friday arvo for me :lmao:. Was supposed to be out at Wakefield ripping off PB's today but this will have to do.

[NinetySix]

well glad we got that cleared up ....

its kind of hard to compare value for money on a stock import with a rediculous ammount of tax on it compared to a modified domestic

[2001 ITR]

Nup, no problems with you Hassa. It was more of a reaction to the to Duke 570’s “There is nothing i like more than rolling on against a porshe boxster or what ever ( i nearly got smoked buy a jag the other day ) the more expensive car is and eating them alive. When you having a dreaded do i say it traffic light battle the oh my BF typhoon/xr6 turbo even Clubsport goes well round a corner and rides nice blah blah and you beat them braggin rights all round. Call me immature but damn thats hillarious. That 80k they spent and my 30k spent and they still cant beat me... suckers“ post.

The times I posted weren’t meant to be the quickest things on wheels but to show that the owner gets reasonable times out of it.

The main point of my post was to show the integrity of the Porka. I have never seen a stock car take this level of driving for hour after hour and bounce back with no damage. I was very impressed by how much it could take. You can qualify engine output and laptimes, but it is hard to qualify that level of quality.

P.S. On RE55’s I am quicker around Winton than Motor’s times for an Auto F6 Typhoon. Hopefully I will be sneak up to their times for a DTS soon.

[HazzaHSV]

That's life I suppose. Can only compare what we are dealt with. But I still think a 30k stock engined, modded domestic will hold it to many of these performance imports even without the taxes. They are expensive because they have all the goodies built in (factory premium, same as clubby over SS really). We are lucky there are so many high quality aftermarket parts that lets the majority of us play with these quality marques for affordable money.

well glad we got that cleared up ....
its kind of hard to compare value for money on a stock import with a rediculous ammount of tax on it compared to a modified domestic

[HazzaHSV]

Cool. Yeah like I said stock for stock, not much gets close to the Porka's. Amen.

Nup, no problems with you Hassa.
The main point of my post was to show the integrity of the Porka. I have never seen a stock car take this level of driving for hour after hour and bounce back with no damage. I was very impressed by how much it could take. You can qualify engine output and laptimes, but it is hard to qualify that level of quality.

[kayman]

His lap times where about 6 secs quicker than my best times so he must have been making it all up under braking and handling.

Braking and Handeling make up a BIG difference on a racetrack.

I was at sandown and driving a car which was inferior to the one in front of me, but I had much deeper braking points than he did so my times would have been much better (had he let me past, rule of the day was no overtaking unless they wave you on... grrr)

[2001 ITR]

I was at sandown and driving a car which was inferior to the one in front of me, but I had much deeper braking points than he did so my times would have been much better (had he let me past, rule of the day was no overtaking unless they wave you on... grrr)

Yup it's a pain, welcome to my world. Try passing a turbo or V8 on a straight when you've only got 178nm at 6300rpm:bawl:

[kayman]

Yup it's a pain, welcome to my world. Try passing a turbo or V8 on a straight when you've only got 178nm at 6300rpm:bawl:

Shh, i had 510Nm @ 4500 ... which was more than his 465Nm @ 5250 :S, I was backing off a bit on the straights, (but i had previously overtaken someone on the front straight and cocked up my braking point and almost drove off the track, managed to just ride the kerb and keep it on the black stuff)

[shiro_tengu]

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[TUFFIE]

I dont see what the fuss is about. I had a run with a typhoon last week on the street. All he could see was my rear door, couldnt pass me. He was quicker on takeoff but as I hit second and got some traction i was past him and i stayed that way. The mods I have are only bolt on's no internal mods. The look on his face was priceless.

[NinetySix]

not hard to be capable of better than a ~13.2 with just bolt ons.

[Souljah]

The mods I have are only bolt on's no internal mods.
I'd like to see the look on your face if he had a few bolt ons :D

[TUFFIE]

I was suprised as well. Didn't expect to beat him.....its all good. I have never run mine on the track so i don't know what mine would do.:doh:

[LS1VT]

In one of my runs last night at WSID, my VTSS11 was up against a yellow typhoon ute, surpised to see how far behind he was. He did time of 14.860@107mph. Poor traction was his problem with a 60' of 2.728.

[TUFFIE]

what time did u run? I had an XR 8 ute to the left of me and the typhoon on the right. The XR 8 was a loong way behind.

[LS1VT]

I ran a 12.951@108.80
60' 2.038
Also there was a blue AU XR8 with a blower running mid to high 13s

[F6 Hoon]

Maybe he considers it the best performanc car at Ford not oz and he wants to know that if he comes up against one he can give it what for.Also I think calling a F6 and factory 12 second car is being a little optamistic sure a couple have run high 12's but the majority run mid to high 13's :flip2: .

No they don't Daz.....most of the 6 speed auto BF's will run a high 12/low 13 in stock trim provided they run the right fuel ;)

Unless you are referring to the manual F6's - they struggle to run mid/hi 13's in stock trim.

[Freaky]

No they don't Daz.....most of the 6 speed auto BF's will run a high 12/low 13 in stock trim provided they run the right fuel ;)

Unless you are referring to the manual F6's - they struggle to run mid/hi 13's in stock trim.

the ZF has made a big difference.

as has the different exhaust setup between the BA and BF models.

[F6 Hoon]

Me mate has a Typhoon and has spent another $10k on it and says he's pulling high 10's at the drags in Perth. I usually take things he says with a grain of salt but after having read this thread I'm now inclined to believe him.

Your mate must be referring to the 1/8 mile et, not the 1/4 mile et :lmao:

The quickest Typhoon in Perth at the moment is a BA F6 manual ute that ran 11.8 @ 115mph, 1.8 60ft'er on slicks. There's a BF F6 Tornado speed auto that's run a 11.9 @ 117mph, and theres a black BA F6 manual with over 400rwkw that has run a 12.3 @ 124mph.

$10k of a BF F6 auto would comfortably run a low/mid 11 in full street trim. Should be good for 10's if set up for the strip.

[ADSXR8]

Your mate must be referring to the 1/8 mile et, not the 1/4 mile et :lmao: .

Dont write crap


The quickest Typhoon in Perth at the moment is a BA F6 manual ute that ran 11.8 @ 115mph, 1.8 60ft'er on slicks. There's a BF F6 Tornado speed auto that's run a 11.9 @ 117mph, and theres a black BA F6 manual with over 400rwkw that has run a 12.3 @ 124mph..

Take your word for that


$10k of a BF F6 auto would comfortably run a low/mid 11 in full street trim. Should be good for 10's if set up for the strip.

Your only guessing, stick to facts, not ficton

[ADSXR8]

And to go back to the thread original intent, a VTII will never be as good as a Typhoon, the lastest model Holden/HSV cannot compare

[HazzaHSV]

Better read back a bit.. Pretty sure we attained that TigerMon was talking performance, not comfort/sophistication/gismos etc. So you could easily hand the phoon its ass on the road, circuit or strip with under 25k of VTII/VX. And before you start, same applies to a stock GTO/Clubbie/Coupe4/STi/M3/Evo/Porsche etc.

And to go back to the thread original intent, a VTII will never be as good as a Typhoon, the lastest model Holden/HSV cannot compare

[VooDoo]

And to go back to the thread original intent, a VTII will never be as good as a Typhoon, the lastest model Holden/HSV cannot compare

sales figures and track times beg to differ on your "opinion"

[macca33]

Yeah I think that is a fairly big call there ADSXR8.

Each to their own and I reckon the F6 is a nice bit of kit, but I still prefer the Commodore - I have given both lots a decent test too.

As for the original theme, a VT2 SS is just that, a 6-7 y.o.car, that goes VERY well as it is. Bolt-ons, suspension, brakes and a tune will make anyone very happy.

Cheers,

Macca

[dangen111]

my uncle owns a gt dont know if a typhoon has a push button start or not but by the time my uncle pushes the button ive already selected drive and adjusted my mirrors to see his headlights

[tuff304]

my uncle owns a gt dont know if a typhoon has a push button start or not but by the time my uncle pushes the button ive already selected drive and adjusted my mirrors to see his headlights

I'm pretty sure all FPV's have push button start

[Freaky]

I'm pretty sure all FPV's have push button start

yep they do.

i dont mind it, its abit of a novelty but nice way to start the car.

sometimes it annoys me and wish i could just turn the key to start

[plonkerchops]

my uncle owns a gt dont know if a typhoon has a push button start or not but by the time my uncle pushes the button ive already selected drive and adjusted my mirrors to see his headlights



maybe dangen111 was doing a Lemans style run to the car start, maybe his uncle had trouble piling the wheel chair in first :eyes:

[Mani_CV8Z]

One of my mates has a typhoon, raced him in a straight line in my car, and it was neck and neck, if anything, he was about a millimetre in front!

[kayman]

yep they do.

i dont mind it, its abit of a novelty but nice way to start the car.

sometimes it annoys me and wish i could just turn the key to start

needs to be on the same side as the key :(

[Blonk1]

The question was how do you make an old SS as good as a Typhoon.....

Holden has already answered that for us..

They call it the Billion Dollar Baby and its called the VE...

Simple get a Billion Dollars spend it on an old SS and hope for the best..

We are still waiting to see the results and I am booked in for a test drive in the HSV range....

Unfortunately, unless the billion dollars has been well spent, I will keep my F6 thanks...

You see the F6 was the best thing money could buy last year under a hundred grand and most of the motoring world will agree with me.. This year may be different, but from what I read about the VE it is Heavier and carrying around the same old motor that turns lots of money into exhaust fumes for not much result except noise........

[HazzaHSV]

Nice to know. I feel more special now after easily handing a couple of Typhoons their asses with my bolt-on VY SV8 at well under 30k worth (VT II could do it for under 20k).

And since this topic is about modifying a VT II to match/beat a typhoon (as opposed to finding a factory stock car to do it) it has more much more relevance too.

But enjoy your Typhoon, you have no choice really as Frawds V8's are the only things that have "same old motor that turns lots of money into exhaust fumes for not much result except noise" as you say. :p


The question was how do you make an old SS as good as a Typhoon.....

[Danv8]

The question was how do you make an old SS as good as a Typhoon.....

Holden has already answered that for us..

They call it the Billion Dollar Baby and its called the VE...

Simple get a Billion Dollars spend it on an old SS and hope for the best..

We are still waiting to see the results and I am booked in for a test drive in the HSV range....

Unfortunately, unless the billion dollars has been well spent, I will keep my F6 thanks...

You see the F6 was the best thing money could buy last year under a hundred grand and most of the motoring world will agree with me.. This year may be different, but from what I read about the VE it is Heavier and carrying around the same old motor that turns lots of money into exhaust fumes for not much result except noise........


You must know a very small portion of the motoring world.:stick:
Sure the VE is heavier but same old motor what an L98 not an LS1? and 0-100 around 5.4 something seconds and 13.7 qmile runs. Yeah all exhaust fumes and noise and no action. :rolleyes:

The turbo was Fords only answer for their pudgy V8's.

[Freaky]

needs to be on the same side as the key :(

I actually prefer it the way it is.

So as I turn the key with the right hand, I can have the finger pressing straight away with the left hand, hence starting it quicker.

[kayman]

hmm, one i used (BMW) had slot and button right on each other, just slot the "key" in and you can press the button at the same time.

http://www.westgermanbmw.com/showroom/idrivec.jpg

[RED R8]

If only the F6 buffoon had a V8 rumble or good track handling button.

[VYII_R8]

If only the F6 buffoon had a V8 rumble or good track handling button.

If the Phoon had half decent tyres fitted to it, it would be a HELL of a lot quicker around a track. The journo's only test the cars "as is suppiled" by ford with the poor factory Dunlop rubber.

Put some R-spec rubber on it and it would be a sh*t-load faster. (Eg. DTS Commodore)

[Freaky]

If only the F6 buffoon had a V8 rumble or good track handling button.

actually thats what i like about it. its not a v8 its something different. The power delivery is very nice. fat torque curve.

from the reviews i have read its better balanced than the gt's that are too front heavy.

[turbo6]

And the F6's respond very well to relatively cheap mods.....nice.

[nang3]

Nice to know. I feel more special now after easily handing a couple of Typhoons their asses with my bolt-on VY SV8 at well under 30k worth (VT II could do it for under 20k).

And since this topic is about modifying a VT II to match/beat a typhoon (as opposed to finding a factory stock car to do it) it has more much more relevance too.

But enjoy your Typhoon, you have no choice really as Frawds V8's are the only things that have "same old motor that turns lots of money into exhaust fumes for not much result except noise" as you say. :p

what times are you pulling in your bolt-on only SV8 to be able to 'easily' hand typhoons their asses??? that's very impressive especially if any of the phoons were modded, had decent drivers or were BF autos!!!
I have no doubt that a 260rwkw SV8 would beat a manual phoon to 0-100 but in gear i think it would be a different story..

[RED R8]

Thats the problem I dont wan't different I want a V8 thats why my next car will be a VE SSV 6m the auto F6 is quick but I hate auto's and a well sorted tuned V8 with zorst (VE) is all the car I am ever going to wan't or need and on any given day on any track strip or street will be equal or better that the F6 use the same amount of fuel cost the same to buy but will have a better ride look better sound better and be a Holden.Saying that you obviously love the look and ride of your beast and that what counts we all have different needs wants and likes thank god.

[Freaky]

Thats the problem I dont wan't different I want a V8 thats why my next car will be a VE SSV 6m the auto F6 is quick but I hate auto's and a well sorted tuned V8 with zorst (VE) is all the car I am ever going to wan't or need and on any given day on any track strip or street will be equal or better that the F6 use the same amount of fuel cost the same to buy but will have a better ride look better sound better and be a Holden.Saying that you obviously love the look and ride of your beast and that what counts we all have different needs wants and likes thank god.

thats its, we should be thankfull we have these cars to choose from.

the F6 is a different type of performance machine.

if people want v8's, they have plenty of choices.

This is my ride and I love it.

How many of these do you see on the road as opossed to the numbe of HSVs and SSs. Its unique.

http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/1.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/2.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/3.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/4.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/5.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/6.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/7.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/8.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/9.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/new/10.jpg

some older pics including interior
http://home.exetel.com.au/paul/f6/index.htm

[SS_Fury]

never seen a phoon that colour before, looking good :) - i love the yellow ones :)

[HazzaHSV]

Don't think they were modded but we aren't talking about modded phoons. We are talking about modding a VT II to match/beat a stock phoon as per the topic title. Since a VT II is very similar to a VY, I put up an experience I had where the stock phoon (BA pretty sure) was no match, nor should it against a modded car, but thats what this thread is about.

First time at wakefield 1.15 on road tyres with stock suspension except pedders lowered springs (same day was the phoon's 2nd time there 1.18). Second time at wakefield with modded suspension/semi-comp tyres 1.11 (phoon was there doing around 19's - probably first timer). Don't get me wrong, my car is no freak nor am I a race driver. I would expect a phoon with same level of mods to mine to be quicker but at premium price.

Never been to the drags but my car did a 12.5 when Justice owned it (3 years ago) with standard exhaust manifolds (225rwkw), slicks, standard suspension, stock clutch and a 4.11 minispool.

No denying for stock performance the phoon wins, but worshipping them as some do and saying no VT II for under 20 grand would touch them is pretty naive. Personally I think the Typhoon is a great car (would have to be to beat the best of HSV) and deserves the recognition it gets.

PS - Auto's aint gonna help them at wakefield.


what times are you pulling in your bolt-on only SV8 to be able to 'easily' hand typhoons their asses??? that's very impressive especially if any of the phoons were modded, had decent drivers or were BF autos!!!
I have no doubt that a 260rwkw SV8 would beat a manual phoon to 0-100 but in gear i think it would be a different story..

[VYII_R8]

No denying for stock performance the phoon wins, but worshipping them as some do and saying no VT II for under 20 grand would touch them is pretty naive.

I'm pretty sure no-one said that the VTII wont match Phoon "performance" wise.... simply it wont be whole package. I.e. the VTII will never be the "car" the Typhoon is. (colloquially speaking)

[HazzaHSV]

It was discovered early on that TigerMon was talking performance, had 20 grand to play with not 60, and was quite happy with the looks and comfort of a VT II SS.

I'm pretty sure no-one said that the VTII wont match Phoon "performance" wise.... simply it wont be whole package. I.e. the VTII will never be the "car" the Typhoon is. (colloquially speaking)

[markone2]

260rwkw SV8 would beat a manual phoon to 0-100 but in gear i think it would be a different story..


.....and a 219rwkw bolt on full weight SV8 running 12.231 at 112.42mph would hand them what ?

[Freaky]

never seen a phoon that colour before, looking good :) - i love the yellow ones :)

not many on the road like that, thats why i like it.

need to get some tints and im set

[VRIIClubby]

not many on the road like that, thats why i like it.

need to get some tints and im set

looks tops mate!:stick: Love the F6 range...

stuff the traffic light duals with the F6 and XR6T, try matching them from 80 up.... 2 of my friends have XR6T Utes, top cars, the biggest midrange urge, they get up and overtake so damn impressively, but i feel lack alot off the line from the weight (my 12yo clubby see's them away to mid 3gear) would love a phoon though....

[IH8HSV]

Have to agree with most the V8 rummble from the zorst is sweet......But have u heard an F6 running edit with higher boost at full song......now thats something :love2:

[F6Mauz]

Have to agree with most the V8 rummble from the zorst is sweet......But have u heard an F6 running edit with higher boost at full song......now thats something :love2:

They are an addictive note to hear thats is for sure:cool:

[Tonner]

They are an addictive note to hear thats is for sure:cool:

No offence to the Ford guys:stick: but I would rather the note of a Datsun 1600 at full noise than a ford six.:p


.

[Freaky]

No offence to the Ford guys:stick: but I would rather the note of a Datsun 1600 at full noise than a ford six.:p

whatever tickles your fancy.

Datsun hey :limpy:

[Blonk1]

You must know a very small portion of the motoring world.:stick:
Sure the VE is heavier but same old motor what an L98 not an LS1? and 0-100 around 5.4 something seconds and 13.7 qmile runs. Yeah all exhaust fumes and noise and no action. :rolleyes:

The turbo was Fords only answer for their pudgy V8's.

Not turning it into a holden / ford competition, as I have allegance with neither...
But didn't Performance car of the year do to
1st Typhoon
2nd XR6Turbo Manual
3rd XR6turbo auto

I am seriously hoping that the HSV line up will be capable this year and I for one will be back in a 8..

However 2 years in a modded typhoon is going to make me a little hard to impress.....

I think also, the same day the typhoon ran 13.8 for Motor magazine, the Clubsport ran 14.2

Anyway we are talking 100ths of a second and like others have pointed out it comes down to traction.. Or more importantly weight...

I cant understand why spend a billion dollars to make a car 150kg's heavier.. The europeans have been getting lighter and more kw per cc for years.. We are getting fatter and larger displacements to obtain comfort and performance... IN fact a 4 litre turbo motor running 14 pound of boost is artificially around 8 litres of displacement.

Work that out...

[Vulture]

I cant understand why spend a billion dollars to make a car 150kg's heavier.. The europeans have been getting lighter and more kw per cc for years.

Eh? the euros have been getting fatter as well. What happened with the BA Fords? Fatter. The weight penalty is a small price to pay for increased safety, imporved NVH and general refinement.

[nang3]

.....and a 219rwkw bolt on full weight SV8 running 12.231 at 112.42mph would hand them what ?

shiit thats impressive mate!!! i never thought the SV8's had 12's potential with 220rwkw???
what sort of mods have you got???

[tuff304]

shiit thats impressive mate!!! i never thought the SV8's had 12's potential with 220rwkw???
what sort of mods have you got???

I second that, must have been like a 1.2 60ft or something.

Either way that is impressive

[Danv8]

Eh? the euros have been getting fatter as well. What happened with the BA Fords? Fatter. The weight penalty is a small price to pay for increased safety, imporved NVH and general refinement.

Only saving grace is the euro's use a lot of aluminium body panels in their cars to keep the weight down. Although its hardly cheap as well.

But after driving a VE SS it had no body flex the NVH is heaps better than any Falcon or Commodore (earlier model commodores). And the handling is excellent and grips like stink on a skunk.

I have driven an F6 6 speed auto and it is an awesome car but lack of a V8 rumble and whilst the turbo 6 sounds nice its just not nice enough over a V8.

F6 owners can tell me their cars are the best until they are blue in the face (hmm a pun blue? I dunno) a turbo 6 will never fill a V8 void in me. V8's all the way even a turbo V8 is the go.

[CRAIG LS2 GD]

I am with you, give me the rumble over the whistle or even better both and the shape of the vt2 done properly with wheels,suspension,front bar and they look great.EACH TO THERE OWN THOUGH.....

[HazzaHSV]

I cant understand why spend a billion dollars to make a car 150kg's heavier.. The europeans have been getting lighter and more kw per cc for years.. We are getting fatter and larger displacements to obtain comfort and performance... Work that out...

Easy to work out really. A M3 costs $140,000, a VE Clubby $62,000. And I reckon the clubsport would out do it in a straight line and probably match it around a circuit too!

[CarlFST60L]

Easy to work out really. A M3 costs $140,000, a VE Clubby $62,000. And I reckon the clubsport would out do it in a straight line and probably match it around a circuit too!

Didnt read all of this thread (just caught the last couple a posts), but, there is no way a near standard commodore will come even close to an M3 around a track... I think the wakefeild park times are 1.13ish GTS 1.09ish for M3 4 seconds around that track is a world apart

As for making a VTSS as good as a Typoon... Edit, exhuast Diff... I raced a few and they really wernt all that much chop at all, even a 'boosted' F6, they just have good low down torque, so keep ur rev's UP!

[HazzaHSV]

Actually the time for the Clubsport DTS is 1.10. Considering power will be up to 307 as well as torque and the stiffer better handling chassis it is possible a HSV E variant may get close, but it will need similar quality or better tyres to what the M3 has. But even if it only matches a 1.10 and would probably do the M3 by a few carlengths over the 1/4 mile I would call them similar performance wise.


Didnt read all of this thread (just caught the last couple a posts), but, there is no way a near standard commodore will come even close to an M3 around a track... I think the wakefeild park times are 1.13ish GTS 1.09ish for M3 4 seconds around that track is a world apart

[BlueVZSS]

I cant understand why spend a billion dollars to make a car 150kg's heavier.. The europeans have been getting lighter and more kw per cc for years.. We are getting fatter and larger displacements to obtain comfort and performance...

Weight is not the issue. Horsepower will overcome weight. An example in point:

Mersedes S65 AMG
Weight: 2270 KG
Engine: V12 6.0 Litre Twin Turbo
Power: 450 KW
Performance: 0-100 km/h 4.4 seconds

Almost every BMW,Audi and Mercedes performance sedan weighs as much or more than Australian performance sedans. European vehicles get more power to overcome the weight.

[Evil LS1]

If the Phoon had half decent tyres fitted to it, it would be a HELL of a lot quicker around a track. The journo's only test the cars "as is suppiled" by ford with the poor factory Dunlop rubber.

Put some R-spec rubber on it and it would be a sh*t-load faster. (Eg. DTS Commodore)

Yeah well the Dunlop sport maxx tyres are awesome and this from someone who said Dunlop were shit (since Kobe got flattened). It's there only good tyre but it's right up there with the best. What Dunlops are the Phoons running?


Weight is not the issue. Horsepower will overcome weight. An example in point:

Mersedes S65 AMG
Weight: 2270 KG
Engine: V12 6.0 Litre Twin Turbo
Power: 450 KW
Performance: 0-100 km/h 4.4 seconds

Almost every BMW,Audi and Mercedes performance sedan weighs as much or more than Australian performance sedans. European vehicles get more power to overcome the weight.

In a straight line, now take the fat pig Merc up the old pacific highway and a 120kW Clio will obliterate it. You can't change the laws of physics and once the car has to change direction rapidly it's game over. It wouldn't need 450kW if it wasn't so rdiculously and irresponsibly heavy.

[Vulture]

Didnt read all of this thread (just caught the last couple a posts), but, there is no way a near standard commodore will come even close to an M3 around a track... I think the wakefeild park times are 1.13ish GTS 1.09ish for M3 4 seconds around that track is a world apart

Yep, and remember the M3 is getting very long in the tooth, new one out soon.

[Evil LS1]

Eh? the euros have been getting fatter as well. What happened with the BA Fords? Fatter. The weight penalty is a small price to pay for increased safety, imporved NVH and general refinement.

A few Euros have gotten lighter, but Mercedes seem to just get heavier. The new Jaguar XJR is a fair bit lighter than the old one, new Audii TT is lighter, new Porsche Turbo is lighter, new Ferrair 599 is lighter, new MX-5 is only 30kg heavier than original, despite massive improvements in safety.

Holden I think will pare some weight away with successive models. Remember VT II was 40kg lighter than VT I. As good as the VE is, how hard would it go if it were the same weight as VZ. HSV would do 4.7's and 13.0 IMO. How long will they ignore lightweight materials. An aluminium bonnet and boot can't be out of the question in future years, maybe on HSV's first.

[BlueVZSS]

In a straight line, now take the fat pig Merc up the old pacific highway and a 120kW Clio will obliterate it. You can't change the laws of physics and once the car has to change direction rapidly it's game over. It wouldn't need 450kW if it wasn't so rdiculously and irresponsibly heavy.

Hmm...don't think so.

[Evil LS1]

Hmm...don't think so.

Don't think so what? That you can change the laws of physics?

[BlueVZSS]

Don't think so what? That you can change the laws of physics?

Don't think a 120 kw Clio would obliterate a Mercedes S65 AMG up the old pacific highway.

[RED R8]

Don't think so what? That you can change the laws of physics?

The Merc would leave the Clio for dead.Take a competetive truck from the truck racing series put it on a race track with your Clio and yes you will see you can change the laws of physics.:weirdo:

[2001 ITR]

Hmm I can see where you are coming from but Motor got 1:43.94 around Winton in a Mercedes CL65, the best they have for a Renault Clio Cup is 1:47.16, it would probably be closer on the original short circuit. I’d have thought that the Clio would’ve been quicker, say 1:45’s.

I can remember nearly falling off my chair when I read about an ABC equipped Merc SL nearly matching a Caterham (not the hottest version) in a motorkhana and slalom test. Mind you the Caterham with the same level of the Mercedes computer control would be quicker again.

P.S. – with RE540’s and slightly tweaked suspension (or even RE540's and a gun driver) my ITR should beat the Merc’s lap time.

P.P.S. - I have no doubt that the new VE SS-V’s and HSV GTS will post quicker lap times than the past (as they should – the old ones were an embarrassment)

[ADSXR8]

Shall we now rename the thread, how to make a Renault Clio Cup car as good as a Mercedes CL65? Its about the same comparison in my opinion!

[Blonk1]

Shall we now rename the thread, how to make a Renault Clio Cup car as good as a Mercedes CL65? Its about the same comparison in my opinion!


I would have to agree wholeheartedly

[nang3]

Didnt read all of this thread (just caught the last couple a posts), but, there is no way a near standard commodore will come even close to an M3 around a track... I think the wakefeild park times are 1.13ish GTS 1.09ish for M3 4 seconds around that track is a world apart

As for making a VTSS as good as a Typoon... Edit, exhuast Diff... I raced a few and they really wernt all that much chop at all, even a 'boosted' F6, they just have good low down torque, so keep ur rev's UP!

it would take a whole lot more than an EDIT, exhaust and diff to make a VT SS as good as a Phoon.. even talking strictly performance wise i doubt those mods would make a hell of a difference..

if you've raced a few boosted ones that werent 'much chop' then i doubt your VY LS1 is stock because a very mildly modded phoon (~$2000 of edit/tune, injectors, dump pipe and cat) would kill a stock LS1 beyond a joke..
I agree with your M3 comment, they are awesome cars and i would take an 03 M3 over a $90k GTS anyday !!

[HazzaHSV]

Nothing embarrassing about a glorified family taxi doing 1.10's around wakefield (okay so they were semicomp tyres but still) considering the AWD EVO 8 and newish STI (one with the active centre diff etc) were also in the 1.10's, (same day, same driver).

P.P.S. - I have no doubt that the new VE SS-V’s and HSV GTS will post quicker lap times than the past (as they should – the old ones were an embarrassment)

it would take a whole lot more than an EDIT, exhaust and diff to make a VT SS as good as a Phoon.. even talking strictly performance wise i doubt those mods would make a hell of a difference..
Yeah it would take EDIT, extractors, exhaust and diff (and maybe an intake)!! For the straight line stuff anyway. Those mods do make a hell of a difference. If the phoon was fairly modded though then you might need a huffer.

[nang3]

Nothing embarrassing about a glorified family taxi doing 1.10's around wakefield (okay so they were semicomp tyres but still) considering the AWD EVO 8 and newish STI (one with the active centre diff etc) were also in the 1.10's, (same day, same driver).


Yeah it would take EDIT, extractors, exhaust and diff (and maybe an intake)!! For the straight line stuff anyway. Those mods do make a hell of a difference. If the phoon was fairly modded though then you might need a huffer.

By diff i assume you mean lower ratios?? in that case i think the VT would be comparable or better than the phoon over the 1/4... but i didnt think just those other mods (exh, edit and extractors) would make that much of a difference to a n/a V8???
although now that i think about it just a edit/tune and dump/cat on a phoon gives 270~290rwkw or so up from ~220-230rwkw, so extractors, exhaust, intake, edit and diff ratio change should give similar results in the VT..

[HazzaHSV]

If the N/A V8 wasn't detuned from 300kw to 220kw to start with then it may not make such a difference. Since it was, there definately is!!

[RAPHOON]

I dont see what the fuss is about. I had a run with a typhoon last week on the street. All he could see was my rear door, couldnt pass me. He was quicker on takeoff but as I hit second and got some traction i was past him and i stayed that way. The mods I have are only bolt on's no internal mods. The look on his face was priceless.

You must have some decent bolt ons then....:shock: Or the surprised look could have been from the Phoon driver when he realised that you were actually racing...

I love my yellow beast as a great all round package. The few mods I have done, have cost very little but produced over 300RWKW and some serious torque from about 2400-6200RPM. It's not the quickest thing on the road, but it'll take a bloody quick car to keep up.

The next salvo in the local performance car market war has been fired by GM. I've only seen the new SS in the flesh so far and I like the new look. The HSV package should be a step up again on the SS.

The rivalry between the 2 makers is pushing up the bar continuously so it's us the enthusiasts that are the ultimate winners.

[CarlFST60L]

You must have some decent bolt ons then....:shock: Or the surprised look could have been from the Phoon driver when he realised that you were actually racing...

Are you serious mate??? I have raced two F6's, and full on races, no half ass approach, and have creamed them both, one was boosted... All i have is bolt ons i.e. edit, exhuast and diff...

Just becuase it has good low torque dosnt make it hard to beat. The great low torque is what makes them feel so tuff... I went for a ride, and thought, sh!t, this really is quick... boost does that ;)

I had this w@nker showing me the motor mag showing how much quicker a F6 was pulling in higher gears than the LS1 i.e. roll on in 4th from low rev's... I have sinced raced him, and he no longer carries on with the comparisons after having his ass handed to him....

edit, exhaust and diff OTR takes an LS1 into the 12's in full trim, mid 12's if u have decent rubber, low 12's if you really get stuck into it... This isnt pie in the sky stuff, we arnt a forum off bullsh!t artists... its been proven by hundereds of members...

[payaya]

Only bolt ons???? Yes maybe, but your bascially implying your mods dont do much!

Then you go state that Bolt ons will get you into the 12's!

With your suggested mods beating a stock and boosted Typhoon is destined.


You must have some decent bolt ons then....:shock: Or the surprised look could have been from the Phoon driver when he realised that you were actually racing...

I love my yellow beast as a great all round package. The few mods I have done, have cost very little but produced over 300RWKW and some serious torque from about 2400-6200RPM. It's not the quickest thing on the road, but it'll take a bloody quick car to keep up.

The next salvo in the local performance car market war has been fired by GM. I've only seen the new SS in the flesh so far and I like the new look. The HSV package should be a step up again on the SS.

The rivalry between the 2 makers is pushing up the bar continuously so it's us the enthusiasts that are the ultimate winners.

Theres such a massive difference in the power of different typhoons its not funny! Its so easy to get power out of the Phoon you dont know if their car is 250RWKW or 500RWKW!


Actually the time for the Clubsport DTS is 1.10. Considering power will be up to 307 as well as torque and the stiffer better handling chassis it is possible a HSV E variant may get close, but it will need similar quality or better tyres to what the M3 has. But even if it only matches a 1.10 and would probably do the M3 by a few carlengths over the 1/4 mile I would call them similar performance wise.

The M3 is still a benchmark car. Its damn quick for a 3.5 litre of whatever it is. For it to run low 13's quarter mile you know where the money has gone.

The M3 will be coming out with a V8 next year rumoured to be around 300+KW!

Who has dragged a Supra?? They seem really quick!

check these out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npRGD5usNT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2L8wDBHjLk

The last one is mean!!

[ratter]

Are you serious mate??? I have raced two F6's, and full on races, no half ass approach, and have creamed them both, one was boosted... ...


All F6's are boosted :booty:




:yup:

[CarlFST60L]

All F6's are boosted :booty:




:yup:

Boosted, as in ADDED BOOST :flip3:
Im not a nOOb ;)

[hotbox]

An f6 is still to date the only EFI engine ive personally seen blow up:flip3: it had a hole in the block you could stick a fox terrior through. i think ill stick with my V8s :yup:

[Tonner]

An f6 is still to date the only EFI engine ive personally seen blow up:flip3: it had a hole in the block you could stick a fox terrior through. i think ill stick with my V8s :yup:

and oils aint oils hey sol , they look after the top of these screamers but not the bottom.

:flip3: just incase I get flamed.

[NinetySix]

dunno about them being 'screamers' :flame:

[Tez82]

On topic I have driven my mates Phoon and must say if I was to buy a new car now I would buy one :D hehehe love it especially when you hit boost... He has run 13.5 stock in manual at 108mph which is pretty impressive.

Monaro pulls A4 12.5 @ 111mph (un-openned), however on track days in straight line from rolling start I can not pull on him, its dead even. I pull on him as i approach getting out of the corners / bends but at rolling start lets say 80+ he will jump on me unless i put car into 2nd... Their not a bad car / package for the value and they will hold their value more so than a SS or even VE Clubbie imo...

My 2 cents....

Tez

[RAPHOON]

[QUOTE=FST57L;718140]Are you serious mate??? I have raced two F6's, and full on races, no half ass approach, and have creamed them both, one was boosted... All i have is bolt ons i.e. edit, exhuast and diff...

Just becuase it has good low torque dosnt make it hard to beat. The great low torque is what makes them feel so tuff... I went for a ride, and thought, sh!t, this really is quick... boost does that ;)

I had this w@nker showing me the motor mag showing how much quicker a F6 was pulling in higher gears than the LS1 i.e. roll on in 4th from low rev's... I have sinced raced him, and he no longer carries on with the comparisons after having his ass handed to him....

QUOTE]

Yes the boost coming on hard and low makes the car FEEL quick. Over 1000NM of peak torque does have its effect. The fact that most of that is available thoughout the rev range is what really makes the car quick.

The reason I don't quote Qtr Mile numbers is simply beause mine has not gone down the quarter yet. I'd love to try after the tune in the car has been finalised and before the weather gets too hot. You can always speculate, but it's all bullsh1t until you have the timeslip and terminal speed.

Until then, the only gauge I have is the fact that it hasn't lost yet. That'll happen. It always does. But currently the FPV's, HSV's, BMW's, Porches and the Ferrari that have had a go have gone away disappointed.

[Blonk1]

[QUOTE=FST57L;718140]Are you serious mate??? I have raced two F6's, and full on races, no half ass approach, and have creamed them both, one was boosted... All i have is bolt ons i.e. edit, exhuast and diff...

Just becuase it has good low torque dosnt make it hard to beat. The great low torque is what makes them feel so tuff... I went for a ride, and thought, sh!t, this really is quick... boost does that ;)

I had this w@nker showing me the motor mag showing how much quicker a F6 was pulling in higher gears than the LS1 i.e. roll on in 4th from low rev's... I have sinced raced him, and he no longer carries on with the comparisons after having his ass handed to him....

QUOTE]

Yes the boost coming on hard and low makes the car FEEL quick. Over 1000NM of peak torque does have its effect. The fact that most of that is available thoughout the rev range is what really makes the car quick.

The reason I don't quote Qtr Mile numbers is simply beause mine has not gone down the quarter yet. I'd love to try after the tune in the car has been finalised and before the weather gets too hot. You can always speculate, but it's all bullsh1t until you have the timeslip and terminal speed.

Until then, the only gauge I have is the fact that it hasn't lost yet. That'll happen. It always does. But currently the FPV's, HSV's, BMW's, Porches and the Ferrari that have had a go have gone away disappointed.

I am with you Raphy... Almost 2 years in an edited typhoon and I havent seen anything on the street that compares... I agree, I think most typhoon owners are probably cruising off not even knowing the thing next to them is trying to race... Folks here sound like they run into typhoons on every street corner, considering there are only about 500 or so built they are not as abundant as readers of this site may think... Maybe these guys are racing fairmonts, XR's, or futura's or something... Like I said before, I have no allegance with either company but I am yet to find a Holden (let alone any car for that matter that has to date stayed with me on a good roll on, except a lambo murciliego 80-200 - beat him by a nose) off the lights I have been whipped by 2 cars.. an 11 second VL commode and a twelwe second WRX Sti (I couldnt get traction till 4th gear)... Thats it... Most modified LS1 owners that get out of my typhoon actually find it hard to speak for a few minutes and when they do they conceded it is in a different league,, Like I said before the next car I will buy may be the VE HSV, but it is yet to prove itself... I am confident however it is a serious contender for the PCOTY crown as is the SS range....
But at this stage I havent seen an LS1 that will go with my car, however I am sure there are some around.....

This is not an attack on anyone or this site just my personal experience...

[seldo]

There's certainly no doubt that a Typhoon is a bloody quick bit of gear, and a tweaked one will embarrass many unsuspecting quick cars. But they are far from unbeatable....;)

[HazzaHSV]

Until then, the only gauge I have is the fact that it hasn't lost yet. That'll happen. It always does. But currently the FPV's, HSV's, BMW's, Porches and the Ferrari that have had a go have gone away disappointed.
So are we talking a stock standard phoon here? If so I think you better get out to where the decent bolt-on and cam only LS1's are.
If we are talking modified, fair enough, but this thread is not about modified phoon's otherwise we would be comparing to LS1 T's and TT's.


I am with you Raphy... Almost 2 years in an edited typhoon and I havent seen anything on the street that compares...

I take it you haven't come up against a turbo LS1 then.


Most modified LS1 owners that get out of my typhoon actually find it hard to speak for a few minutes and when they do they conceded it is in a different league
Just like phoon owners getting out of a boosted LS1. But again this thread is about making a VT II go/handle/stop like a stock phoon.

[RAPHOON]

So are we talking a stock standard phoon here? If so I think you better get out to where the decent bolt-on and cam only LS1's are.
If we are talking modified, fair enough, but this thread is not about modified phoon's otherwise we would be comparing to LS1 T's and TT's.

I take it you haven't come up against a turbo LS1 then.

Just like phoon owners getting out of a boosted LS1. But again this thread is about making a VT II go/handle/stop like a stock phoon.

Not quite the same comparison though. The LS1/2 is yet to roll out of the factory gate with a turbo or 2 strapped to it. At least in this country.

Mine has nothing additional. Simply a more efficient IC, dump, cat and some bigger injectors to go with an edit. It's just easier to extract more ponies from a car with forced induction. It's also harder to tell which ones have been "enhanced".

On topic though, what brakes seem to be the best value for money upgrades for a VTII?

[HazzaHSV]

Not quite the same comparison though. The LS1/2 is yet to roll out of the factory gate with a turbo or 2 strapped to it. At least in this country.

Agreed. It's not a fair comparison, the phoon is better stock for stock no doubt and good bang for buck with cheap mods. But once we talk decent mods gimme a VE-TT for the same $$ as a phoon anyday.


On topic though, what brakes seem to be the best value for money upgrades for a VTII?
Probably PBR kit (same as HSV performance) or Harrop street performers as best bang for buck.

[Blonk1]

There are Typhoons around running 400+rwkw's for under 10 grand..

Could you do a single or TT LS1 for that price supplied installed and tested without blowing anything either in the motor or drivetrain?? and then have you got anything underneath to stop it??

Hazza.. I have owned a blown holden 8 previous to the phoon...

Ran out of money before I even got it to the edited only phoon, power level..

Now a Blown HSV VE would be a different story, but I dont have 30 grand to spend on 70 thousand dollar car... If I had a hundred to spend on a car I would be definately be going european..

[tuff304]

There are Typhoons around running 400+rwkw's for under 10 grand..

Could you do a single or TT LS1 for that price supplied installed and tested without blowing anything either in the motor or drivetrain?? and then have you got anything underneath to stop it??

Hazza.. I have owned a blown holden 8 previous to the phoon...

Ran out of money before I even got it to the edited only phoon, power level..

Now a Blown HSV VE would be a different story, but I dont have 30 grand to spend on 70 thousand dollar car... If I had a hundred to spend on a car I would be definately be going european..

I agree, but how long with the Phoon drivetrain last with 400RWKWs?

[CarlFST60L]

[QUOTE=RAPHOON;719083]

I am with you Raphy... Almost 2 years in an edited typhoon and I havent seen anything on the street that compares... I agree, I think most typhoon owners are probably cruising off not even knowing the thing next to them is trying to race... Folks here sound like they run into typhoons on every street corner, considering there are only about 500 or so built they are not as abundant as readers of this site may think... Maybe these guys are racing fairmonts, XR's, or futura's or something... Like I said before, I have no allegance with either company but I am yet to find a Holden (let alone any car for that matter that has to date stayed with me on a good roll on, except a lambo murciliego 80-200 - beat him by a nose) off the lights I have been whipped by 2 cars.. an 11 second VL commode and a twelwe second WRX Sti (I couldnt get traction till 4th gear)... Thats it... Most modified LS1 owners that get out of my typhoon actually find it hard to speak for a few minutes and when they do they conceded it is in a different league,, Like I said before the next car I will buy may be the VE HSV, but it is yet to prove itself... I am confident however it is a serious contender for the PCOTY crown as is the SS range....
But at this stage I havent seen an LS1 that will go with my car, however I am sure there are some around.....

This is not an attack on anyone or this site just my personal experience...

This is why i dont take part in these threads, but i have to atleast add in some facts for good measure... My car is certainly not a bench mark car, but i know what it can do, so i will share what i have learnt...

I needed the 3.9 diff so i could get the rev's right up near the limiter to make the power i need to get going (which most of us well know running 3.9 or 4.11's)

FULL STREET trim, standard $300 a corner Ventus 245/45/19's
0-100 = 5.0X
60ft = 2.0X
No matter how much power i have, i would be suprised to get to 100 in less than say, 4.8, as traction is to much of an issue... with tyres and suspension, it would fall quite a bit im sure, and even more with power on that setup, but its lowered car with 19's with everything in the car, drives 30,000km every year like that

A STOCK F6 would do maybe 5.8 0-100 complete of the show room?
A slightly modified F6 on full street, normal tyres0 5.2 0-100?
60ft 2.3 in both cases?

real street figures, no ET's or Prep'd surfaces...

What im getting at is, a commodore is quicker of the mark its a well known fact, check out the time slips, spend a night at the drags and watch the 60ft times, get a G Tech and find out...

This cr@p about you thinking that the F6 drivers dont know they are being raced... leave that for some other forum, we arnt a bunch of teen ricers :flipoff:

Can we all get back to loving each other now :beer:

[Blonk1]

Same T56 gearbox as a Holden... I think they are getting sus around the 370rwkw mark with almost 800nm's of torque...Diffs seems to hang in there to 500rwkw's (as they have in known cases) ...
Basically the twin plate clutch will be the first thing to let go at around 350rw ..

The above is only my experience being around these cars and not neccesarily to be taken as benchmarks

[HazzaHSV]

There are Typhoons around running 400+rwkw's for under 10 grand..
Could you do a single or TT LS1 for that price supplied installed and tested without blowing anything either in the motor or drivetrain??

Of course. 10k is on the money. Factor in that the VE V8 will have more power, more torque, better sound, and better power/response off boost and much better chassis, you have a winner. Not that this thread is about modified phoons or turbo commie's.


Hazza.. I have owned a blown holden 8 previous to the phoon...
Ran out of money before I even got it to the edited only phoon, power level..

Lucky you didn't try it on a frawd 8 then.

[Blonk1]

Frawd did that and didnt require the other 2 cylinders called it an F6 - Typhoon

Would be an excellent package in the VE HSV for sure.

I have only seen 1 LS1 blown for under 10 grand at Powertorque engines in brisbane.. HE had a supercharger and parted with $9769.. It ran an impressive 280rwkw's.. Never seen it under 10 grand

[vecommo]

It does get a little tiring logging onto a Holden forum and having to read through dozens of posts by F6 owners rambling on about their cars every day.
Yes, the F6 is a great car and an awesome package, but it does NOT appeal to everyone and the world certainly does not revolve around it.
Get over it.

[ADSXR8]

It does get a little tiring logging onto a Holden forum and having to read through dozens of posts by F6 owners rambling on about their cars every day.
Yes, the F6 is a great car and an awesome package, but it does NOT appeal to everyone and the world certainly does not revolve around it.
Get over it.

Do you have a problem with people expressing opinions? Or do you want the bias responses?

If you dont want to read about Typhoon's, don't open threads that have a title "Re: How to make a VT11 SS as good as typhoon"

[vecommo]

Do you have a problem with people expressing opinions? Or do you want the bias responses?

If you dont want to read about Typhoon's, don't open threads that have a title "Re: How to make a VT11 SS as good as typhoon"

No I don't have a problem with other people's opinions, but when it starts infiltrating an opposition's website and becoming so constant that it becomes annoying, then there is a point where a line needs to be drawn.
If you come here to do nothing but ramble on about Ford then try finding a more suitable place to do it. I'm sure many others would agree.

[GETUTED]

what is the point of this thread........... :sux:

[Blonk1]

Sorry guys,

I know your a bit touchy and threatened by the Typhoons so I will get outta here and leave the One Eyed, One sided Brigade ramble about there fully sik typhoon eaters..

Oh.. And an edited phoon with injectors will jump a 1.8 60' a 0-100 in 4.4 and a quarter in 11.8 seconds - manual.... (the Auto's are faster).... Mods all up = about less than 2 grand. If you need the proof PM me.......

I for one would not even try and convince myself an old SS will ever be anything like the Typhoon.. Dont care how much money ya got...

My 2c worth.......

[vecommo]

Sorry guys,

I know your a bit touchy and threatened by the Typhoons so I will get outta here and leave the One Eyed, One sided Brigade ramble about there fully sik typhoon eaters..

Oh.. And an edited phoon with injectors will jump a 1.8 60' a 0-100 in 4.4 and a quarter in 11.8 seconds - manual.... (the Auto's are faster).... Mods all up = about less than 2 grand. If you need the proof PM me.......

I for one would not even try and convince myself an old SS will ever be anything like the Typhoon.. Dont care how much money ya got...

My 2c worth.......

Care factor = 0 :flip2:

[RED R8]

No I don't have a problem with other people's opinions, but when it starts infiltrating an opposition's website and becoming so constant that it becomes annoying, then there is a point where a line needs to be drawn.
If you come here to do nothing but ramble on about Ford then try finding a more suitable place to do it. I'm sure many others would agree.

I agree .Why try and make a YTSS as good as a Typhoon, it's already better its a Holden V8 .:flip2:

[IH8HSV]

Only time will tell what the VE HSV will do, and the best comparison will be at the track, not what holden or mags claim.... but at the drags were theres nothing to hide

I know of 2 Factory Stock BF auto Typhoons with only mod being bmc or k&n filter change that have 12 sec time slips:

12.71 @ 109 mph at Calder

12.93 @ 108 mph at WSID

Will be very interesting to see if VE will match these times....

[Danv8]

what is the point of this thread........... :sux:

About as useful as 2 armless and legless nuns on a vespa.

Seems to me that give *some* people a turbo they automatically think they are gods gift of speed.

:yup:

[vecommo]

About as useful as 2 armless and legless nuns on a vespa.

Or about as useful as pedals on a wheelchair. :D

[Blonk1]

About as useful as a string condom

[Holden Man]

[QUOTE=RAPHOON;719083]

... Folks here sound like they run into typhoons on every street corner, considering there are only about 500 or so built they are not as abundant as readers of this site may think... But at this stage I havent seen an LS1 that will go with my car, however I am sure there are some around.....

...

Crap, There are heaps of phoons out there, I see more than GT's now, hardly exclusive anymore. Don't get me wrong I like the typhoons and hear they are fantastic, but your posting looked liked you typed it with one hand while the other hand was playing with.....

[HazzaHSV]

Sorry guys,
I know your a bit touchy and threatened by the Typhoons so I will get outta here and leave the One Eyed, One sided Brigade ramble about there fully sik typhoon eaters..
I for one would not even try and convince myself an old SS will ever be anything like the Typhoon.. Dont care how much money ya got...
My 2c worth.......
In your own words - touchy, one-eyed and threatened that a 20-25 grand VT II will kill a stock Typhoon.

Try not to get too defensive about it. It's not uncommon for a modded car to whip a 60-70 grand newer one.


Frawd did that and didnt require the other 2 cylinders called it an F6 - Typhoon

Obviously I was talking about a Frawd 8. Lucky you didn't go there.


I have only seen 1 LS1 blown for under 10 grand at Powertorque engines in brisbane.. HE had a supercharger
Did you not read what I wrote. I said LS1 turbo cars, nothing about blowers.

[HRT Stroker]

FFS guys, this is getting old....:banghead: ..I reckon the Typhoon is a great bit of gear, seen plenty round in Adelaide, passsed a ute version towing a plumbing rig today in fact.:cool:

I appreciate ALL performance cars, and whilst my preference is for HSV its embarrassing when people from both sides carry on like they have in this thread.:(




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