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Stevotski
19-06-2006, 11:10 AM
http://au.news.yahoo.com/060617/23/zf6t.html


Court case to demand speeding fine compensation for NSW drivers
By 7News

A Sydney court will this week decide whether the New South Wales Government is liable for a $1 billion payout to drivers who have received fines over the past five years.
The state's Infringement Processing Bureau (IPB) has just been decommissioned - and integrated into the Office of State Revenue - which some see as a defensive move to limit the damage.

Lawyer Dennis Miralis said he was not able to get an explanation as to why the bureau was disbanded.

He has decided to argue a landmark court case which will challenge the very notion that the Infringement Processing Bureau has ever had the legal right to issue fines.

"They have as little power as the average citizen to issue these penalty notices," Mr Miralis said.

Mr Miralis claimed that when the IPB was created, legislation should have been changed giving it the authority to issue penalty notices.

It wasn't and now a judge must decide whether that nullifies every single speeding and parking fine issued to New South Wales drivers since October 2001.

"They would still have a legitimate grievance against the government for the fact that they were improperly issued with the fine," Mr Miralis said of Sydney's drivers.

He claimed drivers would be eligible for compensation because there was an improper use of process.

The Office of State Revenue does have legislative power to issue penalty notices.

From now on, you'll find its letterhead on penalty notices.

The Office of State Revenue has issued a statement which claimed it's new look and the pending court decision are unrelated.

Whether the court sides with drivers next week - or the government - the losers were expected to immediately appeal the decision.

Given the size of the potential compensation payout, Mr Miralis said he expected the case to end up in the High Court.

Dane VN V8
19-06-2006, 12:22 PM
:bounce: :bravo: . Well that is excellent, if that happens and I hope it does (though I don't really care if it doesn't) I get my six points back that I lost one year and half ago.

Cheers,
Dane.

exploder
19-06-2006, 12:36 PM
:bounce: :bravo: . Well that is excellent, if that happens and I hope it does (though I don't really care if it doesn't) I get my six points back that I lost one year and half ago.

Cheers,
Dane.

You may get $$$ back, but very doubtfull the points will come back.

Dane VN V8
19-06-2006, 12:39 PM
:headbang: Money is even better for me, they can keep the points and give me my $500 or whatever.
:woohoo:

Cheers,
Dane

stoney
19-06-2006, 12:44 PM
i might buy a house if i get my money back :)

maybe not that much..

KPWISHN
19-06-2006, 12:57 PM
Can't see anyone getting any money back. :doh:

I heard the government have a law which can override other laws that have loop holes or stuff-ups in the law.

All bases covered, has little johnny. :mad:

kayman
19-06-2006, 01:10 PM
little johnny doesnt have anything to do with the state law, sif he would help labour out!

lease1
19-06-2006, 01:32 PM
Come on guys don't be silly. You really think the government will refund millions and millions of dollars worth of fines??? They will just introduce new legislation to cover the loophole and make it retrospective to cover fines issued from 2001 onwards. Easy as that! BAST*RDS!

alexcs
19-06-2006, 03:39 PM
i wouldnt want the nsw govt to return the money, it would worsen the already shit state of affairs.

i would propose a return of points only for drivers caught by fixed cameras, all other fines to stand.

LSavvy
19-06-2006, 11:04 PM
Heard only people that had taken their cases to court would only be the ones for refund, don't know how true this is.

VYBerlinaV8
20-06-2006, 10:14 AM
No-one will get refunds. If this turns out to be real the govt will introduce retrospective legislation to cover themselves.

exploder
20-06-2006, 10:40 AM
No-one will get refunds. If this turns out to be real the govt will introduce retrospective legislation to cover themselves.

Well seeing how they dissolved the Infringement Processing Bureau to cover their arse I dont think there will be retrospeective legislation, more likely they will just cancel and re-issue all fines from the Office of State Revenue.

Same result though, no money back.

VYBerlinaV8
20-06-2006, 03:48 PM
They will find a way to do it. My missus is a govt lawyer in Canberra and some of the stuff they get away with is really suprising. By changing regulations that are attached to laws, or rushing new laws through they can do all sorts of dodgy stuff.

I guess democracy just doesn't work...:hide:

BoomerangDR
20-06-2006, 06:12 PM
can't see anyone getting any money back, but that would be a nice little windfall!!!

SV99
21-06-2006, 09:45 AM
Class action.

Its funny though govt does dodgey shit all the time no problems.

Mr X tax payer gets copped with a fine for going 5kms over a bullshit limit and then ur stuffed.


They should be locked up for things like the AWB scandal and all the other things that have been covered up. When you write the rules you can bend them.

GREENR8
20-07-2006, 08:53 AM
Highly unlikely that anyone will get a refund.

SV99
20-07-2006, 03:16 PM
Class action.

If it was deemed illegal then we should be given a refund and points back because irespective if you were caught speeding, red light camera the process was invalidated. They didnt have the right to issue the fines in the first place.

They have changed the new one to OSR office state Revenue instead of the IPB

:cussing:

vx Sammy
20-07-2006, 08:03 PM
This is the same as that crap about council rates... technically you dont have to pay local council rates as the comonwealth government doesnt recognise them or some shiit.... we pay tax and apparently thats all we have to pay... :banana: