Adventra VS Turbo Territory

[Y2kGoofball]

Just saw the best thing off a set of lights in a while!

I was standing at a corner and at a seto fo traffic lights a redish territory turbo with trade plate and 3 people onboard rock up.

Im thinking yeah ok ... then next to it comes a silver CX6 Adventra, their both lined up.

I'm thinking yeah ok this should get interesting.

Light goes green ... rear of the Territory drops something bad and the turbo screams its head off, I could hear it where I am standing.

Problem is by the time the turbo had wound up the Adventra was already half a car length in front :rolleyes: and trust me, whoever was in the Terri was really giving it to it.

I'm wrapped, I'm happy to take on a Turbo Terriroty in our SX6 :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Dr Smith]

Indeed, stove-hot is no exaggeration. There will be few SUVs out there, luxury or otherwise, that will be able to keep up with the new high torque Territory, which sprints from 0-100km/h in roughly 7.0 seconds. The more expensive Porsche Cayenne S ($129,900) is one of the few vehicles that will keep up with it in a straight line, taking 7.2 seconds, which puts things nicely in perspective.

- Feann Torr, Editor

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/ford-territory-turbo-2.htm
...except SX6's it would seem, lol, didn't know one could get under 8 secs.

[Blown 454 AWD]

...except SX6's it would seem, lol, didn't know one could get under 8 secs.


Quite correct Dr however, I think Goof is talking about 0 to 60k which may be quite different, :burnout: :burnout:

especially before the terry’s turbo kicks in.


I'd like to see a SX6 with a TT and 2 bar tune, would even be a little lighter than mine. (4.1 sec 0 to 100k @2247 kg)

[seldo]

An extra 200kgs of passengers wouldn't have helped the TT either

[Y2kGoofball]

umm as much as I love your Addy I think we'll keep our stock for the moment :lol:

yeah as mentioned it wasnt high speed drag strip ten tenths stuff, it was just a territory and adventra having a go from a set of lights to another set of lights and to 60 kph, or whatever speed they decided was nessasary. I saw them for all of 3 or 4 seconds before they were out of my sight but in them 3 or 4 seconds the Adventra had it.

Now if we took Steves beast and put it up against .. ah never mind

[Aus8]

Maybe so in this case but I know what I would put my hard earned $$$$ on. Too many variables to say "I saw them having a traffic light drag". At The drag strip is what I want to see where is there is a 1/4 mile time.


Aus8

[Dr Smith]

An extra 200kgs of passengers wouldn't have helped the TT either
Actually add almost 200kg kerb weight difference as well and the Ford was closer to 400 kg heavier gross...it needs the turbo!

[SecretSquirrel]

I've surprised a couple of likely lads in their ricers in my 'Fat and Heavy' Adventra SX6 from the lights in the wet. They're not too bad considering their weight and mass, especially once you get them revving.

Hopefully soon someone will start offering edits for the Alloytec 190.

On another note, I have to say I've started to see quite a lot of six cylinder Adventra's around these days. It'd be a shame to see them ditch it when the VE model comes around.

Si

[Lucifer]

Hey Goofball,

The race you describe sounds like a NON-TURBO Territory against a Adventra.

There is only one absolute truth. All Turbo Territories are 6 speed auto and all will beat a six cylinder Adventra to 60km/h,80hm/h,100km/h or whatever speed you claim to have seen. I applaud your storytelling abilites but next time don't describe the turbo as "screaming". They are a Garrett GT35/40 with vey low boost (in stock form) and they are quieter (YES Quieter) than a non turbo.

Enjoy your Adventra/SV6. Just remember to keep racing them in your imagination and you will always be happy.:stick:

[Martin_D]

The non-turbo SV6 Adventra is one of the slowest cars I have ever driven....up there with a stock 1.6 Mitsu Colt. Please dont brain fade this forum with such crap :)

[phat-dave]

haha poor old goofy's has a fleet of holdens which arent even his and now has seen phantom turbo terries :D

[ratter]

I test drove a turbo territory the other day with the missus as she was thinking about getting one, It was actually reasonbly quick for a big car, I'm sure with an increase in boost and a flash tune...................sorry getting carried away now, lucky the price tag brought me back to earth:doh:

[BOF crewman X8]

I drove one the other day, compared to the X8 it feels as though it has more power all of the time with the exception of maybe 5500-6500rpm on the LS1, I thought it was a hell of a car that with an "Edit" mmm Tuna!!! what can you tell me about this??

Only problem is two big hairy dogs that just love the swim, the X8 is ideal for them, the inside of the territory wouldnt last 5 mins.

[VX-355]

The non-turbo SV6 Adventra is one of the slowest cars I have ever driven....up there with a stock 1.6 Mitsu Colt. Please dont brain fade this forum with such crap :)

What a way to drum up business:doh:

[Avalanche]

What i find sooo interesting is every one having a bat off that it is in the low seven second mark too 100 cliks. Even when the avalanche came out & had a test with the porsche , it came out on top, yet there was no fanfare , it hasnt even rated in the prices under awd vehicles in wheels or motor. Just another lot of well placed marketing. The terri will definately have its place. they should have just made turbo ones from the start.
Down to the run off the lights. Hey if the addy won , good on him. Im sure every one has crap starts at the track as well. But i bet u dont go out & say mines still faster over the quarter. At least until u get the time slip to show it.
I know sometimes in the ava, i can launch extremely hard & other times nanna steps in & ruins all the fun.

[pemier]

when I first got my X8 I was less than impressed with its performance.........add a tune and exhaust and hey it's something I can live with but I would hate to have a standard v6 under the bonnet carrying all that weight around

[ADSXR8]

The non-turbo SV6 Adventra is one of the slowest cars I have ever driven....up there with a stock 1.6 Mitsu Colt. Please dont brain fade this forum with such crap :)

I'd agree. I wouldn't be keen to run a Territory Turbo in my SV6 company car, and it doesn't carry the weight of a Adventra

[IIV8II]

The non-turbo SV6 Adventra is one of the slowest cars I have ever driven....up there with a stock 1.6 Mitsu Colt. Please dont brain fade this forum with such crap :)


what he said... I don't think it even keeps up with a non-T Terri

[turbo6]

I will let you know when I get our Turbo terri ghia in a few weeks.

It WILL be getting an edit and some injectors - should dip into the 13's after that and I will take it out to WB to find out! Should make a great wet weather sleeper.

I doubt very much an Adventura v6 would come close to the turbo terri standard.

[O5BRKY]

I will let you know when I get our Turbo terri ghia in a few weeks.

It WILL be getting an edit and some injectors - should dip into the 13's after that and I will take it out to WB to find out! Should make a great wet weather sleeper.

I doubt very much an Adventura v6 would come close to the turbo terri standard.
Maybe standard, whack a turbo on a Adventra, then that's a fair comparsion:stick:

[Avalanche]

What does the awd terri weigh?????????

[VX-355]

What does the awd terri weigh?????????
What you mean to ask is how much does a bucket of SH*T weigh??

[JEM]

What you mean to ask is how much does a bucket of SH*T weigh??

You make such comments... yet YOU own an Avalanche???? My god! :spew:

[Avalanche]

ohhh thats a bit rude isnt it.:flip2: We cant be too cocky in our avalanches. I wonder if anyone else uses their avalanche too carry 2 dogs around . I was just wonder how they stack up weight wise against the addy/avas. Are they 2 t plus. Mat , u get a tune first then ill see if it was worthwhile:stick: That ss inductions unit might pull some good figures:whip:

[Venom XR]

Maybe standard, whack a turbo on a Adventra, then that's a fair comparsion:stick:

As if this thread wasn't bad enough...

[Nobby]

This thread was almost civil without that last contribution from VX355, keep on topic lads.

[ADSXR8]

What does the awd terri weigh?????????

Figures for a Turbo Ghia

2125kg 5 seater

2155kg 7 seater

[NickS]

WOW ... a thread where the Ford drivers say how good Fords are (& how crap Holdens are) and Holden drivers say how good Holdens are (& how crap Fords are) !!!

Grow up fellas ... this shit got boring a long time ago :yup:

[O5BRKY]

As if this thread wasn't bad enough...
And what's wrong with this reply?
Turbo Vs Turbo?
not non turbo vs turbo? ain't fair then.

[Avalanche]

Thanx ADSXr8 for the weights. I was wondering if they carried a bit more weight. Seems that they do. They are a bit heavier than the addys. That would affect the:driving: a little

[VX-355]

Thanx ADSXr8 for the weights. I was wondering if they carried a bit more weight. Seems that they do. They are a bit heavier than the addys. That would affect the:driving: a little

200kg can be the difference between :burnout: and :vpo:

[HSVMAN]

200kg can be the difference between :burnout: and :vpo:
While it's back on track, I'm afraid Goofball must have got it lucky if it was in fact a turbo terri. If it wasnt then he should have creamed it just like he said. The 6 cyl Addy isn't a slug like someone tried making out although you know its pushing all wheels.
However it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out the difference with similar power yet the addy is lighter and rides lower and flatter and has a very good box :)

[VYBerlinaV8]

I find it amusing when we talk about 'fair'. If I pull up next to a highly modded and tuned R8 at the lights, and lose in my almost stock VY V8, is it fair? Who cares - I lost!

[nang3]

And what's wrong with this reply?
Turbo Vs Turbo?
not non turbo vs turbo? ain't fair then.

STOCK vs STOCK is the keyword here..

[HSVMAN]

STOCK vs STOCK is the keyword here..

Agreed. A STOCK LX6 will beat a STOCK AWD N/A Terri Ghia which is what good old Goofball must have come up against, not a Turbo Terri as he thought right? Well you would certainly think so anyway...

[ADSXR8]

Agreed. A STOCK LX6 will beat a STOCK AWD N/A Terri Ghia which is what good old Goofball must have come up against, not a Turbo Terri as he thought right? Well you would certainly think so anyway...

Do you know this? Or are you making a bias assumption. Because, I certainly dont know and would like to see it.

Unforunately, the motoring press I dont think will compare the two. The Turbo Territory will be up against the likes of MDX, Touraeg, X5 and ML's. I would like to see a Adventra thrown into the mix.

[HSVMAN]

Do you know this? Or are you making a bias assumption. Because, I certainly dont know and would like to see it.

Unforunately, the motoring press I dont think will compare the two. The Turbo Territory will be up against the likes of MDX, Touraeg, X5 and ML's. I would like to see a Adventra thrown into the mix.

Yes I do know it. But who cares?
They are not built for racing so it wouldn't bother me if the Terri was faster. The motoring press may compare the 2 N/A models but the turbo can only be compared to other high powered AWDs as you say. Pity the V8 Addy wasn't canned.... Would be a closer battle. Maybe I will arrange my own just for fun :)

[JNP304]

Why would you want to see adventra tested against X5`s and ML Benzes its not even in the same class of car size wise ect. Its just a jacked up commo wagon. Next you will want to test the BA RTV against them too!

The press are praising the Terri because its simular size ect style of car to the ML`s ect. Its not just a jacked up BA/BF Falcon. Thats where its not sensible to compare it to the Avalanche. Different style of car different market.
Just my 2c anyway

[OzJavelin]

Figures for a Turbo Ghia

2125kg 5 seater

2155kg 7 seater
Geez! The heaviest Chrysler Imperial in 1969 was 4,725 pounds (2140kg). So a huge road whale like an Imperial (which required a 440ci engine to push it along) equals a average family Territory of today!!??

[HSVMAN]

Why would you want to see adventra tested against X5`s and ML Benzes its not even in the same class of car size wise ect. Its just a jacked up commo wagon. Next you will want to test the BA RTV against them too!
The press are praising the Terri because its simular size ect style of car to the ML`s ect. Its not just a jacked up BA/BF Falcon. Thats where its not sensible to compare it to the Avalanche. Different style of car different market.
Just my 2c anyway

No idea what you are on about as no doubt neither are you. I'm talking about the Territory vs Adventra as that is what the thread is about. If that is all you know about the vehicles go do some research, or read the thread more carefully

[JNP304]

ADSXR8 said the Territory will be getting tested against ML`s and X5`s and would like to see an Adventra in the mix. And I stated its a different kind of market. Most people in this thread are talking about Territory v Adventra and comparing them. I was simply stating they really cant be compared as they are a different class of vehicle. Not necessary to come out and flame people for the sake of it. Mr Tuff man.

[HSVMAN]

ADSXR8 said the Territory will be getting tested against ML`s and X5`s and would like to see an Adventra in the mix. And I stated its a different kind of market. Most people in this thread are talking about Territory v Adventra and comparing them. I was simply stating they really cant be compared as they are a different class of vehicle. Not necessary to come out and flame people for the sake of it. Mr Tuff man.

And both of you are making uninformed claims re Euro models being tested against Terri and we dont know that is the case or if it will be.
As you say the thread is about Terri vs Adventra.
Why would you say they are completely different? Apart from some structural differences they both are equally capable, share similar technology and priced for the same market so as it would seem to the averagely educated person like myself (and I wish i was tuff) they are quite similar. Same price, same purpose same class.
The Territory was a huge success for Ford and the V8 Addy a disappointment for Holden - they cocked up their marketing or perception of what the public wanted and Ford got it right! Bout where it all sits really. If only life were that simple :)

[ADSXR8]

And both of you are making uninformed claims re Euro models being tested against Terri and we dont know that is the case or if it will be.


I never said I was informed, its an opinion.

[csv rulz]

Whilst reading the new edition of wheels i noticed top of the line Turbo Territory sells for around $65,000 but i also know that HSV Avalanche sells for around $69,000. Pretty comparable! the Turbo Territory does 0-100km 7 seconds the Avalanche does it in just over 6 seconds. I know which one i would have. ( The Avalanche with out a doubt):headbang:

[Avalanche]

Thats if they make avalanches anymore. I havnt seen any new ones floating around. So at the moment the turbo terri has no real equivalent in holden by the looks of it. If an FPV version comes out then at the moment HSV has no equivalent.
I am quietly confident we may be surprised in the near future by HSV in regards to an awd competitor.

[csv rulz]

Thats if they make avalanches anymore. I havnt seen any new ones floating around. So at the moment the turbo terri has no real equivalent in holden by the looks of it. If an FPV version comes out then at the moment HSV has no equivalent.
I am quietly confident we may be surprised in the near future by HSV in regards to an awd competitor.

The Avalanche is still in the back of Wheels mag with the lists of cars.

[VX-355]

Being the wife of VX-355 and is the Pre- Delivery Manger for the two ford dealers in the Illawarra, I have to say that the T/Tory Turbo was not worth the wait. I had a drive of one today and have to say for the write up on it,
IT WAS POOR.:shock: Yes when you put your foot down that turbo does sound great but that is the end of it. If i had to pick between the T/Tory Turbo and the Focus XR5 Turbo i would pick the focus.
As for FPV great car but for a model thats like HSV it is very poorly finished off. Sorry guys but FPV need to look at the way HSV upgrade and finish off there cars as Iam fixing alot of factory problems. For the money of them i wouldn't buy one.

[csv rulz]

Being the wife of VX-355 and is the Pre- Delivery Manger for the two ford dealers in the Illawarra, I have to say that the T/Tory Turbo was not worth the wait. I had a drive of one today and have to say for the write up on it,
IT WAS POOR.:shock: Yes when you put your foot down that turbo does sound great but that is the end of it. If i had to pick between the T/Tory Turbo and the Focus XR5 Turbo i would pick the focus.
As for FPV great car but for a model thats like HSV it is very poorly finished off. Sorry guys but FPV need to look at the way HSV upgrade and finish off there cars as Iam fixing alot of factory problems. For the money of them i wouldn't buy one.

Now thats saying something coming from someone who works for ford! I would have thought if the turbo territory was meant to be such a special car that ford would have changed the way it looked at least something to make it more agreesive

[ADSXR8]

Being the wife of VX-355 and is the Pre- Delivery Manger for the two ford dealers in the Illawarra, I have to say that the T/Tory Turbo was not worth the wait. I had a drive of one today and have to say for the write up on it,
IT WAS POOR.:shock: Yes when you put your foot down that turbo does sound great but that is the end of it. If i had to pick between the T/Tory Turbo and the Focus XR5 Turbo i would pick the focus.
As for FPV great car but for a model thats like HSV it is very poorly finished off. Sorry guys but FPV need to look at the way HSV upgrade and finish off there cars as Iam fixing alot of factory problems. For the money of them i wouldn't buy one.

I wouldn't mind sending this bias crap you write to your employer. And it would only be portion of persons here that would agree with you.

From memory, Ford sell a couple thousand Territories a month, I dont think Holden would sell that many Adventra's in a year (but you bought one).

And the main reason why I bought my BF F6 over the Clubsport was exactly the finish of the Ford.

[Ghia351]

I wouldn't mind sending this bias crap you write to your employer. And it would only be portion of persons here that would agree with you.

From memory, Ford sell a couple thousand Territories a month, I dont think Holden would sell that many Adventra's in a year (but you bought one).

And the main reason why I bought my BF F6 over the Clubsport was exactly the finish of the Ford.
That's a bit harsh, just because someone works for a company doesn't mean they have to have blind loyalty to it...how many sales staff in a dealership have the passion for their product compared to most the owners on this forum?

[VX-355]

I wouldn't mind sending this bias crap you write to your employer. And it would only be portion of persons here that would agree with you.

From memory, Ford sell a couple thousand Territories a month, I dont think Holden would sell that many Adventra's in a year (but you bought one).

And the main reason why I bought my BF F6 over the Clubsport was exactly the finish of the Ford.


For one if you are that low to say something like that then i've just shown how much of a D#$k you are.:rocket: . The second thing i own an AVALANCHE not a ADVENTRA so you might want to look up what people have before you tell them what they brought. Three if you look at the selling of ford to holden they are pretty much the same. They have more turn over on fleet then retail and the last report was holden had more sales for the end of month then ford.
If you think your car is great and thats why you picked it then fine, but when someone is talking on a "Holden THREAD" about a different make and it's with "FRIENDS" then maybe the comment that you made should be kept to yourself. :flamin:
By the way, what I say in my own time is my busy and if you don't like it then I don't care.:flipoff:

Also if you look i did say at the end FPV IS A GREAT CAR.........

[Y2kGoofball]

That's a bit harsh, just because someone works for a company doesn't mean they have to have blind loyalty to it...how many sales staff in a dealership have the passion for their product compared to most the owners on this forum? I work for 3 (acctually 4) Ford owned brands yet I dont go around paying loyalty to any of them, if I asked you guys here to name one I work for or name a model from any of the brands I cover in my daily job in service because Im more loyal then their owners could you do it (apart from the guys who ive emailed from work because that sorta gives it away :lmao: )

It appears that ive opened a can of worms with this thread though.

For everyone whose been quick to belt out and quote times and figures and whateverelse congrats but thats not the point to my story.

My story was that while stopped at a set of lights the 2 come side by side. When the lights went green they both went for it, and in the 50 meters they were in my sight the Adventra had it. Now on a drag strip, race track, wind tunnel it might be a different story but thats not where we were and thats not what happened.

The other thing I note is alot of people getting stirred up about how long it takes to get to 100 or 60 or do a quarter mile in each vehicle.

The reason we brought our Adventra opposed to a Territory was a) comfort b) handling and the big one C) towing capabilities and braking systems that the Territory either didnt have or that the salespeople didnt know about. If we wanted a car that could get to 100 in 8 seconds we wouldve gone for a high performance borderline street legal/track vehicle, but the fact is we werent after speed or performance as much as towing capability. And at least the Adventra had a towbar on it as if to say "look at me, Im ready for towing", on the Territory it was yet another optional extra

Seriously when your towing just on 2 tonne of boat the last thing your worried about is how fast you can get it too 100 or how quick it'll take to do 1/4 mile, your more worried about how long its going to take to stop when some dickhead dives in front of you and hits the brakes.

As with any product though (and finshes and whatever else as you guys have been getting stuck into each other about) its easy to compare and whatever else, but it happens in any brand. I see people fork out in excess of $100 000 for cars and their in 3 weeks later with broken plastic trims, leaking diffs or steering racks, even broken engine mountings and suspension bushings. Now for more then 100 grand you would expect your car to go longer then 3 weeks without falling apart, sadly though they dont.

You can continue getting stuck into me and into each other now :demon:

[ADSXR8]

For one if you are that low to say something like that then i've just shown how much of a D#$k you are.:rocket:

I dont need to name call to make a point








The second thing i own an AVALANCHE not a ADVENTRA so you might want to look up what people have before you tell them what they brought.

Didn't know you brought anything!






[QUOTE=VX-355]Three if you look at the selling of ford to holden they are pretty much the same. They have more turn over on fleet then retail and the last report was holden had more sales for the end of month then ford.
If you think your car is great and thats why you picked it then fine, but when someone is talking on a "Holden THREAD" about a different make and it's with "FRIENDS" then maybe the comment that you made should be kept to yourself. :flamin:
QUOTE]

Its a Holden forum, not Holden thread.

And you generally post opinions on forums, not keep them to yourself.

[VX-355]

These are the facts and they can not be disputed:

* Ford haven't sold a couple of thousand of any one model at all this year.
* Sales of T/Tory are declining and the Rav 4 is the market leader in that class.
:teach:

[Nobby]

...

Why would any one be in a position that made them choose between a Turbo Territory and an XR5?

That's baffling logic. They're such different cars its unfunny. XR6 maybe, XR5?

Mate...

[all4ford]

...

Why would any one be in a position that made them choose between a Turbo Territory and an XR5?

That's baffling logic. They're such different cars its unfunny. XR6 maybe, XR5?

Mate...
Thats what I was thinking, what a joke!

[Swordie]

Interesting how people compare the Territory and Adventra. From my basic analysis I have found most who have purchased or are thinking of a Territory did not even consider an Adventra. The Territory IMO seems to be aimed at people who wanted good priced car, safe, versatile with the high off the ground SVU / 4WD look. Also the Territory is cheaper to run than a typical serious 4WD.

I have driven a standard CX8 and my impression is my VY 3.8 would be able to nearly keep up with it.

[HSVMAN]

Interesting how people compare the Territory and Adventra. From my basic analysis I have found most who have purchased or are thinking of a Territory did not even consider an Adventra. The Territory IMO seems to be aimed at people who wanted good priced car, safe, versatile with the high off the ground SVU / 4WD look. Also the Territory is cheaper to run than a typical serious 4WD.

I have driven a standard CX8 and my impression is my VY 3.8 would be able to nearly keep up with it.

Adventra has more ground clearance but lower centre of gravity giving better handling. I've driven both on and off track and can attest to this.
Addy has standard ESP and Hill descent control and 5 speed auto on all current 6 cyl models. Fuel ecomomy on Terri does not seem to match Manufacturers claims however I think perhaps they are on a par with that one - both being heavy AWD vehicles.
Neither are designed for speed however the Addy is no slug in either 6 or 8 cyl spec and both are more than adequate for the purpose they are intended.
Addy has more interior space
People buy Terri for the higher SUV type look, and not buy Addy because it "looks like a wagon"
They are both aimed at exactly the same market :)

[Venom XR]

..and despite the fuel prices, Terri sold 2200+ models in June. How many Adventras I wonder.

Oh, Corolla has outsold Commodore in June too.

[HSVMAN]

..and despite the fuel prices, Terri sold 2200+ models in June. How many Adventras I wonder.
Oh, Corolla has outsold Commodore in June too.

Your point being? Why are Ford people full of such bitterness? Is it an inferiority complex? :)

[nang3]

Your point being? Why are Ford people full of such bitterness? Is it an inferiority complex? :)

he was just pointing this out because VX-355 said "Ford haven't sold a couple of thousand of any one model at all this year."

haha f*ck these threads are funny.. anytime theres the chance of a Ford vs Holden conflict, everyone jumps in haha gotta love human nature !!
we get the same within the ford forums sometimes too, except its 6cyl Turbo vs V8 haha

[HSVMAN]

haha f*ck these threads are funny.. anytime theres the chance of a Ford vs Holden conflict, everyone jumps in haha gotta love human nature !!
we get the same within the ford forums sometimes too, except its 6cyl Turbo vs V8 haha

It's what makes the world go round! Yes it is funny, I took a look at a thread they have there on VE vs BF, Friggin hilarious :lmao: (dont be offended) anyway.....

It always gets into some sort of brand bashing contest for some and I think what annoys a few is facts they dont like (or dont want to see) or someone else badmouthing something they love which is human nature, you are right. Its the raw emotional fury that a few people spit out that puzzles me and yes it does seem to come from one sector more than the other...

I find it frustrating to see the opposition outselling the brand I sell but I dont bag the sh*t out of it.

Sorry guys back to the subject :)

[Danv8]

It's what makes the world go round! Yes it is funny, I took a look at a thread they have there on VE vs BF, Friggin hilarious :lmao: (dont be offended) anyway.....



Yeah Ford fans seems pretty cocky about it.

Or they are running scared.

:-)

Waste of bandwith really. :burnout:

[Venom XR]

Your point being? Why are Ford people full of such bitterness? Is it an inferiority complex? :)


These are the facts and they can not be disputed:

* Ford haven't sold a couple of thousand of any one model at all this year.
* Sales of T/Tory are declining and the Rav 4 is the market leader in that class.

No bitterness (don't really care enough to be like that), just pointing out, umm, facts...

:sux:

[csv rulz]

..and despite the fuel prices, Terri sold 2200+ models in June. How many Adventras I wonder.

Oh, Corolla has outsold Commodore in June too.

If it out sold commodore that means it outsold falcon like it does almost everymonth.:flip2:

[who_me_?]

Adventra has more ground clearance but lower centre of gravity giving better handling. I've driven both on and off track and can attest to this.
Addy has standard ESP and Hill descent control and 5 speed auto on all current 6 cyl models. Fuel ecomomy on Terri does not seem to match Manufacturers claims however I think perhaps they are on a par with that one - both being heavy AWD vehicles.
Neither are designed for speed however the Addy is no slug in either 6 or 8 cyl spec and both are more than adequate for the purpose they are intended.
Addy has more interior space
People buy Terri for the higher SUV type look, and not buy Addy because it "looks like a wagon"
They are both aimed at exactly the same market :)

I think this is the most accurate summary. I could have bought a Terri and it would have been quite satisfactory for my needs and despite that earlier childish "Lancer" speed comment, the V6 goes OK.

I know a couple of people who have sold Terris due to fuel economy issues (honestly !) and while I would prefer better, mine has (over the last 38,000kms) averaged 12.3l/100kms with 11 on trips (at 110km/h).

Looking back I still would not have bought a Terri as the LX6 was better value, and in my eyes looks better both inside and out. The issue is what will I buy next....

[silvervyss]

I think that the territory looks better than the adventura. At least its not based on the ford wagon and has its own unique design.

[who_me_?]

Oh yeah, the replacement likely won't be a Turbo Terri either. For equipment I would have to get a Ghia and then you think for a bit more I could get a X5 or something else...(that may retain better resale too...)

Anyway I hope the new X5 has a bigger cargo area as it was funny to return from a Europe trip (crusing around in a rented Astra Diesel Wagon - sorry Estate !) to find that the gear that didn't fill the boot wouldn't fit in my old X5. Someone ended up with a suitcase on their lap during the trip home !!!

I do wish there was a VE Adventra coming but that is unlikely I assume...

[who_me_?]

I think that the territory looks better than the adventura. At least its not based on the ford wagon and has its own unique design.


You would be surprised by the number of people who have no idea that a Adventra is basically a tarted up Commodore - honestly...!!!

A unique design doesn't make it better though ? - They should have made the Terri dashboard unique instead - that Falcon dash looks cheap and nasty (except the Turbo Ghia which isn't quite as bad) - and hey, how about that $2 digital clock in the roof - that just looks crap - nothing less !!!

Just my 2c...

[silvervyss]

You would be surprised by the number of people who have no idea that a Adventra is basically a tarted up Commodore - honestly...!!!

A unique design doesn't make it better though ? - They should have made the Terri dashboard unique instead - that Falcon dash looks cheap and nasty (except the Turbo Ghia which isn't quite as bad) - and hey, how about that $2 digital clock in the roof - that just looks crap - nothing less !!!

Just my 2c...

Agree with you 100%. but cant deny the sales no's of both the adventura :confused: and territory :flame:. As for the part about the tarted up commodore :bravo: why on earth would you want to speand 1000's of dollars on a car which is basically a commodore wagon with a higher ride height. oh, i forgot its got 4wd; what a joke

Wouldnt be surprised if they try to do the same thing to the stato and pitched it against some Euro car.

[who_me_?]

Agree with you 100%. but cant deny the sales no's of both the adventura :confused: and territory :flame:. As for the part about the tarted up commodore :bravo: why on earth would you want to speand 1000's of dollars on a car which is basically a commodore wagon with a higher ride height. oh, i forgot its got 4wd; what a joke



Um, a Adventra is actually cheaper than the equivalent Commodore wagon if you look at features so you aren't paying thousands more at all :stick:

Unlike citycentric people, there are people like me who actually drive (for work) out on gravel (and worse) roads to visit remote locations. Rutted, washed out farmers tracks are when you need that ground clearance :rolleyes:

I also don't fancy driving around in some rough riding, bad handling fuel guzzler either. Out on the open road, a Adventra is more comfortable than a X5. Trouble is, it also is much noisier and not as safe (not as strong, less airbags and so on) which are some things to take into account when replacement is due...

[Knight Phlier]

Turbo Territory is a nice package - Will be interesting to see what FPV will do with this. Does anyone know if FPV are going to release a version of the territory?

[Ghia351]

These are the facts and they can not be disputed:

* Ford haven't sold a couple of thousand of any one model at all this year.
* Sales of T/Tory are declining and the Rav 4 is the market leader in that class.
:teach:
Err, Corolla outsold Commodore and Falcon this month (June 2006) while Territory reached 2200, up on last month and leads ITS segment which isn't in the RAV4 class...are you sure you work for a car dealer...Mrs VX-355 that is, or is this Mr VX-355?

You migh not like Ford but lets at least keep it real.

all i could find atm:

Corolla - 5912.
Commodore sold 5011.
380 sold 1577

Fiesta - 491
Focus - 1422
Falcon - 4359
FPV Sedan - 172 (included in total above)
FPV Ute - 54
Fairlane 157
LTD - 5
Explorer - 7
Territory - 2231
Escape - 284
Falcon Ute - 1790 (incl FPV).
F-Series - 41
Transit - 176
Courier - 821

[who_me_?]

Err, Corolla outsold Commodore and Falcon this month (June 2006) while Territory reached 2200, up on last month and leads ITS segment which isn't in the RAV4 class...are you sure you work for a car dealer...Mrs VX-355 that is, or is this Mr VX-355?

You migh not like Ford but lets at least keep it real.

all i could find atm:

Corolla - 5912.
Commodore sold 5011.
380 sold 1577

Fiesta - 491
Focus - 1422
Falcon - 4359
FPV Sedan - 172 (included in total above)
FPV Ute - 54
Fairlane 157
LTD - 5
Explorer - 7
Territory - 2231
Escape - 284
Falcon Ute - 1790 (incl FPV).
F-Series - 41
Transit - 176
Courier - 821

Do you have a breakdown on the Holden figures as well ?

[Phoon Hoon]

These are the facts and they can not be disputed:

* Ford haven't sold a couple of thousand of any one model at all this year.
* Sales of T/Tory are declining and the Rav 4 is the market leader in that class.
:teach:


Cannot be disputed... unless they are wrong - which these are.

I don't even know what the first point means. As for the second point, Terry sold 2,200 in June. More than Rav 1, 2, 3 & 4 combined.

[Martin_D]

Is 'Phoon Hoon' Redlines new nick? :confused:

[Ghia351]

Do you have a breakdown on the Holden figures as well ?

I'm still looking, sorry

[Phoon Hoon]

Is 'Phoon Hoon' Redlines new nick? :confused:
Just because I disagree with the "red coloured glasses" many wear here, doesn't mean I'm public enemy number one. I questioned the statement that the Rav 4 now outsells the Territory, which is, of course, total crap.

From the press release concerning the June VFacts figures:

..."Territory also finished the second quarter on a high, recording its best sales result for the year of 2,225 vehicles to extend its dominance of the Medium SUV segment, while continuing to be Australia's top-selling SUV overall. It's now been two years since Territory entered the market and in 23 of those 25 months it has been both the top-selling Medium SUV and Australia's top-selling SUV overall. Since its launch, more than 47,000 Territorys have now been sold in Australia..."

[Martin_D]

I dont think you understand.....
Little known, and tireless working moderator here 'Redline' has bought himself a BF Typhoon, and often around the workshop, or up the boozer, he gets referred to as a 'Phoon Hoon'. I figured you could be his 'Superman Style' alias.....but obviously not :)

[BOF crewman X8]

These are the facts and they can not be disputed:

* Sales of T/Tory are declining and the Rav 4 is the market leader in that class.
:teach:

The sales of the T/Tory are declining??? The dealers are lucky to even have one in WA, half of them have never even seen one yet, how can you say sales are declining when the car has been on sale for about a week.

In six months time I can understand but for a car that has been on the market for a long as it takes to boil a kettle I wouldnt say that is fair, what are you quoting your sales on? the first day on sale and the sun went down? hence sales reduced!

[Phoon Hoon]

I dont think you understand.....
Little known, and tireless working moderator here 'Redline' has bought himself a BF Typhoon, and often around the workshop, or up the boozer, he gets referred to as a 'Phoon Hoon'. I figured you could be his 'Superman Style' alias.....but obviously not :)
My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[who_me_?]

The sales of the T/Tory are declining??? The dealers are lucky to even have one in WA, half of them have never even seen one yet, how can you say sales are declining when the car has been on sale for about a week.

In six months time I can understand but for a car that has been on the market for a long as it takes to boil a kettle I wouldnt say that is fair, what are you quoting your sales on? the first day on sale and the sun went down? hence sales reduced!

I "think" he is talking about the standard Terri not the Turbo. My local dealer has one Turbo sitting out the front and many, many new unblown models around...

[HSVMAN]

Agree with you 100%. but cant deny the sales no's of both the adventura :confused: and territory :flame:. As for the part about the tarted up commodore :bravo: why on earth would you want to speand 1000's of dollars on a car which is basically a commodore wagon with a higher ride height. oh, i forgot its got 4wd; what a joke

Wouldnt be surprised if they try to do the same thing to the stato and pitched it against some Euro car.

What you may need to understand is Holden produced the Adventra & Cross series as a "pilot" for it's future AWD programe. HSV followed with Avalanche and Coupe4.
The initial sales projections were very conservative and even then were undershot.
All work extremely well aside from a few teething problems - mostly marketing blunders.
They were initially not aimed to take on the "SUV" market at all and we will see this in the future with AWD Holdens with similar ride height to 2WD cars.
As an example the Addy is a lot different to the standard wagon albeit its donor platform with a completely different roof and pillars. Whilst it cannot perhaps be compared in refinement to a higher priced AWD such as Audi or even Subaru it offers a hell of a lot at an affordable price. An LX6 for example is unbeatable for value and performance. The V8 AWD series was cut short by EuroIII compliance with the necessity to introduce the 6Litre V8 which was not included in the current platform's design/AWD programe.
While Ford can enjoy it's Territory success for now, they dont have an answer for what Holden have in the pipeline :)

[JEM]

What you may need to understand is Holden produced the Adventra & Cross series as a "pilot" for it's future AWD programe. HSV followed with Avalanche and Coupe4.
The initial sales projections were very conservative and even then were undershot.
All work extremely well aside from a few teething problems - mostly marketing blunders.
They were initially not aimed to take on the "SUV" market at all and we will see this in the future with AWD Holdens with similar ride height to 2WD cars.
As an example the Addy is a lot different to the standard wagon albeit its donor platform with a completely different roof and pillars. Whilst it cannot perhaps be compared in refinement to a higher priced AWD such as Audi or even Subaru it offers a hell of a lot at an affordable price. An LX6 for example is unbeatable for value and performance. The V8 AWD series was cut short by EuroIII compliance with the necessity to introduce the 6Litre V8 which was not included in the current platform's design/AWD programe.
While Ford can enjoy it's Territory success for now, they dont have an answer for what Holden have in the pipeline :)

Yeah ok, a 250+ million dollar pilot program...right.

It's obviously a bitter pill to swallow for the Addy owners, but the fact is, Holden's investment in Adventra and derivatives and alternative utilities were complete and terrible failures. There's no use trying to explain it in any other way. Holden got it totally wrong, Ford got it totally right... for once.

[HSVMAN]

Yeah ok, a 250+ million dollar pilot program...right.
It's obviously a bitter pill to swallow for the Addy owners, but the fact is, Holden's investment in Adventra and derivatives and alternative utilities were complete and terrible failures. There's no use trying to explain it in any other way. Holden got it totally wrong, Ford got it totally right... for once.

Wait and see then ;)
There isn't very many dissapointed Holden AWD owners and Holden dont regard it as a failure.

Only one here who is bitter seems to be you. Do you have anything constructive to offer or is your burden so heavy that you feel it necessary to offload here?

It's funny how on Ford forums you tell them "those on LS1 dont like what you have to say"

It isn't a case of not liking, its just tiresome listening to your biased and uneducated monotonous comments :)

[csv rulz]

The Addy wasnt made to compete with Territory, the captiva will do that. I dont know how successful the captiva will be so lets just wait and see. The addy was built for development of the AWD, it was built for people who still want a car like vehicle but with bonuses of AWD (Grip)

[JEM]

Wait and see then ;)
There isn't very many dissapointed Holden AWD owners and Holden dont regard it as a failure.

Only one here who is bitter seems to be you. Do you have anything constructive to offer or is your burden so heavy that you feel it necessary to offload here?

It's funny how on Ford forums you tell them "those on LS1 dont like what you have to say"

It isn't a case of not liking, its just tiresome listening to your biased and uneducated monotonous comments :)

ok, so now it's the wait and see tactic?? That's what disgruntled ford fans were saying when the AU owners were getting harassed by Holdenites at the time. The table has now turned it seems???

So let's forget about Holdens failed investment and bad decisions. They'll forget about all the project funding that went down the gurgler along with Adventra, Crewman, CrossX etc etc. If these weren't failed programs, you tell me what they are then HSVMAN... and no, it's got nothing to do with non compliance to Euro3. If they were making the sales and the programs were a success, they would be here and they would be Euro3 simple as that.

I'm not bitter at all actually, i am a very happy chappy :)

And your last comment - well the same can be said for all your comments fella.

You say you are in the know yet you are in Aukland? No disrespect, but that's pretty detatched from the action one would think. Do you consult to them or something? Or are you just an opinionated person defending your own purchasing decisions with what you think is fact?

[Dilan]

Err, Corolla outsold Commodore and Falcon this month (June 2006) while Territory reached 2200, up on last month and leads ITS segment which isn't in the RAV4 class...are you sure you work for a car dealer...Mrs VX-355 that is, or is this Mr VX-355?

LOL, I don't think we will be hearing VX-355 in this thread. Let him fantasize about stock turbos "screaming".

[O5BRKY]

The Addy wasnt made to compete with Territory, the captiva will do that. I dont know how successful the captiva will be so lets just wait and see. The addy was built for development of the AWD, it was built for people who still want a car like vehicle but with bonuses of AWD (Grip)
Yeb agree here csv rulz.

The Territory is a great looking AWD, and Ford did there homework well,I like the fact they have now gone turbo option it looks good with the scoop. But I won't be rushing out to get one. I'd rather a cross-over vehicle like the Addy, as a commodore wagon with AWD is exactly what my life style suits.

[csv rulz]

ok, so now it's the wait and see tactic?? That's what disgruntled ford fans were saying when the AU owners were getting harassed by Holdenites at the time. The table has now turned it seems???

So let's forget about Holdens failed investment and bad decisions. They'll forget about all the project funding that went down the gurgler along with Adventra, Crewman, CrossX etc etc. If these weren't failed programs, you tell me what they are then HSVMAN... and no, it's got nothing to do with non compliance to Euro3. If they were making the sales and the programs were a success, they would be here and they would be Euro3 simple as that.

I'm not bitter at all actually, i am a very happy chappy :)

And your last comment - well the same can be said for all your comments fella.

You say you are in the know yet you are in Aukland? No disrespect, but that's pretty detatched from the action one would think. Do you consult to them or something? Or are you just an opinionated person defending your own purchasing decisions with what you think is fact?

There is no doubt in my mind Territory has outsold Addy and that the territory is a great car but that does not mean the addy was a failure, it wasnt designed to compete wit Territory. how can you call crewman a failure? when holden brought that out it well and trewly outsold what they expected, it even gave holden the lead in commercial sales!!!!

The Territory is a fantastic car there is no doubt about it but the Addy was definetly not a faluire. Its not like it has almost bankrupted Holden (ie AU did to Ford)

[HSVMAN]

ok, so now it's the wait and see tactic?? That's what disgruntled ford fans were saying when the AU owners were getting harassed by Holdenites at the time. The table has now turned it seems???

So let's forget about Holdens failed investment and bad decisions. They'll forget about all the project funding that went down the gurgler along with Adventra, Crewman, CrossX etc etc. If these weren't failed programs, you tell me what they are then HSVMAN... and no, it's got nothing to do with non compliance to Euro3. If they were making the sales and the programs were a success, they would be here and they would be Euro3 simple as that.
I'm not bitter at all actually, i am a very happy chappy :)
And your last comment - well the same can be said for all your comments fella.
You say you are in the know yet you are in Aukland? No disrespect, but that's pretty detatched from the action one would think. Do you consult to them or something? Or are you just an opinionated person defending your own purchasing decisions with what you think is fact?

It has everything to do with Euro compliance, the Crewman still gets 6 litre and is a success in terms of sales numbers predicted. It was'nt worth redesigning things for a short run left to a New platform. Even if sales were through the roof that would not ave persuaded a different approach. The Adventra was never meant to compete directly with Territory that was discussed before anyone had even seen the Terri, I stated what the purpose of the current AWD program was and that still stands - therefore their investment will be fully realised a little further down the track. Besides that the Adventra has and still is serving it's purpose.
I'm not sure what this bone of contention is you have, I have nothing but respect for Ford product and have owned a few myself.
I can qualify myself as being in the know from many years in the Automotive business. That plus the fact I am travelling to Sydney in a week or so take a look first hand.
The location insult doesnt deserve a reponse :)

[nang3]

Turbo Territory is a nice package - Will be interesting to see what FPV will do with this. Does anyone know if FPV are going to release a version of the territory?

Im sure they will eventually offer something... hopefully anyway cause i'll be getting one for the missus if they do !!!

hopefully with nothing more than an EDIT they will be getting ~260-270rwkw like the XR6T sedans.. I know of one 450rwkw daily driver Turbo Territory around Perth, traction must be awesome!

[JEM]

It has everything to do with Euro compliance, the Crewman still gets 6 litre and is a success in terms of sales numbers predicted. It was'nt worth redesigning things for a short run left to a New platform. Even if sales were through the roof that would not ave persuaded a different approach. The Adventra was never meant to compete directly with Territory that was discussed before anyone had even seen the Terri, I stated what the purpose of the current AWD program was and that still stands - therefore their investment will be fully realised a little further down the track. Besides that the Adventra has and still is serving it's purpose.
I'm not sure what this bone of contention is you have, I have nothing but respect for Ford product and have owned a few myself.
I can qualify myself as being in the know from many years in the Automotive business. That plus the fact I am travelling to Sydney in a week or so take a look first hand.
The location insult doesnt deserve a reponse :)

Fair enough - we'll leave it at that. ;)

btw, the location comment was not directed at you as an insult. I actually enjoy travelling to NZ very much. Great fly fishing! :nyuk: besides, my other half has a little kiwi in her too. :eek:

[NickS]

I know of one 450rwkw daily driver Turbo Territory around Perth, traction must be awesome!
Can some one clarify please ... is the Turbo Territory RWD or AWD ???

If it's AWD and you meant to say 450awkw it must be putting out 600+kW !!! :confused:

[csv rulz]

Can some one clarify please ... is the Turbo Territory RWD or AWD ???

If it's AWD and you meant to say 450awkw it must be putting out 600+kW !!! :confused:

I know i seen one at sandown that was slammed huge rims with a turbo XR8 motor in it. Done by CAPA

[Venom XR]

The Addy wasnt made to compete with Territory, the captiva will do that. I dont know how successful the captiva will be so lets just wait and see.

It depends on how the public perceive it. Being a primarily FWD, 4WD-looking vehicle hasn't really hurt RAV4, Escape, Tribute, etc though Captiva is in the higher size class. But does that suit the Falcon/Commodore types who prefer RWD, or true 4WD? Holden marketing will no doubt try avoid any FWD or Daewoo connections because it might hurt them. The more they push it to be like a Territory despite the drivetrain differences, the less importance RWD/real 4WD has, and the focus becomes the type of vehicle it is appears to be. Should be interesting to see how it goes. Are they plannnig to offer the 2l turbo diesel version here? What's the towing capacity like?

As for an FPV Territory, I'm sure I read they don't have a business case for one...

[seldo]

Yeah ok, a 250+ million dollar pilot program...right.
.....
Wrong.....The AWD program was a $50m spend....but don't lt the facts get in the way of your story...:rolleyes:

[Avalanche]

Hey Seldo im sure i have read somewhere that holden put $145 million into the awd modle development. Yet this is still a far cry from the half a billion that ford spent developing the terri. I would have to say that lately i have been seeing in my area lots of different addy models compared to terris. I would say about 2 to 1 at least. Pullde up at the lights yesterday and had two identical lx8s in front & a lx6 on the otherside of the intersection+ my avalanche all in a little two bit town like albion park.

[VX-355]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I "think" he is talking about the standard Terri not the Turbo. My local dealer has one Turbo sitting out the front and many, many new unblown models around...
Yes....by T/Tory I mean the normal Territory. The Ford Dealers in my area have one Turbo in the yard but there are plenty of Std Territories available. Just go in and pick a colour.


LOL, I don't think we will be hearing VX-355 in this thread. Let him fantasize about stock turbos "screaming".
Why the F**K do you think you will not hear from me......it is a free world. The turbo terri I have driven definitely had a certain amount of turbo whine, probably to get 2.25t moving.:flip3:


Err, Corolla outsold Commodore and Falcon this month (June 2006) while Territory reached 2200, up on last month and leads ITS segment which isn't in the RAV4 class...are you sure you work for a car dealer...Mrs VX-355 that is, or is this Mr VX-355?

You migh not like Ford but lets at least keep it real.

all i could find atm:

Corolla - 5912.
Commodore sold 5011.
380 sold 1577

Fiesta - 491
Focus - 1422
Falcon - 4359
FPV Sedan - 172 (included in total above)
FPV Ute - 54
Fairlane 157
LTD - 5
Explorer - 7
Territory - 2231
Escape - 284
Falcon Ute - 1790 (incl FPV).
F-Series - 41
Transit - 176
Courier - 821
I am 100% sure I work for a car dealer, well someone that sells Fords anyway. And if it be Mr or Mrs, it is all VX-355 and we are both as knowledgeable on the subject. As you only point out Ford sales for the month, I can confirm that the Dealer Principal (I guess you know what that is) has confirmed that the Territory is in the same Vehicle Class (for Sales Figures purposes) as used by VFACTS.

:nopity: Well in closing, and as a way to leave this pointless Blue Vs Red thread for another day I would just like to agree with Danv8...........

Yeah Ford fans seems pretty cocky about it.

Or they are running scared.

:-)

Waste of bandwith really. :burnout:

:sleep: Y2kGoofball: WHAT A HORNETS NEST YOU OPENED:sleep:

[seldo]

Hey Seldo im sure i have read somewhere that holden put $145 million into the awd modle development. Yet this is still a far cry from the half a billion that ford spent developing the terri. I would have to say that lately i have been seeing in my area lots of different addy models compared to terris. I would say about 2 to 1 at least. Pullde up at the lights yesterday and had two identical lx8s in front & a lx6 on the otherside of the intersection+ my avalanche all in a little two bit town like albion park.
My bro-in-law was one of the development team - he told me only $50m (was spittin chips about it)

[F6 Hoon]

Im sure they will eventually offer something... hopefully anyway cause i'll be getting one for the missus if they do !!!

hopefully with nothing more than an EDIT they will be getting ~260-270rwkw like the XR6T sedans.. I know of one 450rwkw daily driver Turbo Territory around Perth, traction must be awesome!

450rwkw Turbo Territory??? They haven't even been released yet. If it's a 6 cylinder one, it must be a first. Which reputable workshop in Perth did the work on this car?

[Avalanche]

Hey Seldo , found the review on the addy back in 2003 in carsales reviews.


"The first fruits of a four-year, $125m development program, the Holden Adventra is a serious piece of kit and a much more integrated vehicle than its Commodore-plus-plastic looks suggest. Make no mistake, this aggressively priced and well-equipped full-time four-wheel drive crossover wagon heralds a change in the automotive landscape Down Under. "

i was a little overgoogle

[seldo]

Hey Seldo , found the review on the addy back in 2003 in carsales reviews.


"The first fruits of a four-year, $125m development program, the Holden Adventra is a serious piece of kit and a much more integrated vehicle than its Commodore-plus-plastic looks suggest. Make no mistake, this aggressively priced and well-equipped full-time four-wheel drive crossover wagon heralds a change in the automotive landscape Down Under. "

i was a little overgoogle
I hear you. However I'll still stick with the numbers from the horse's mouth...;). Besides, there was never a viable business case for spending that much on what was always a low-volume product. Just think about it - are you really suggesting that they could justify spending almost 15% of the cost of the entire VE program just on this piss-fart program...Don't think so - it simply doesn't add up. But, I'm not surprised that an industry-leading source like carsales :rolleyes: didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story... ;)

[Avalanche]

Yeah im just bored Seldo, im the coffee bitch time to make another coffee. $125 mill to add a transfer case front diff & some spacers to raise the body does seem a littlee extreem.:hmmm: I think i surf this site too much. Time to get a real job to justify my existance.

[csv rulz]

I hear you. However I'll still stick with the numbers from the horse's mouth...;). Besides, there was never a viable business case for spending that much on what was always a low-volume product. Just think about it - are you really suggesting that they could justify spending almost 15% of the cost of the entire VE program just on this piss-fart program...Don't think so - it simply doesn't add up. But, I'm not surprised that an industry-leading source like carsales :rolleyes: didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story... ;)

Your only loooking at the short term ( the small picture) look long term ( the big picture) and you will see it is worth it! they didnt spend all that money on the Addy itself but on the AWD system. which in the future can potentially be in a huge aray of cars! and be a big volume seller! The addy is just one step of many to come! Holden said it them selves you have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run! So try not to be so narrow minded about the Addy its just one stepping stone.

[Knight Phlier]

Can some one clarify please ... is the Turbo Territory RWD or AWD ???

If it's AWD and you meant to say 450awkw it must be putting out 600+kW !!! :confused:

Turbo Territory's are all AWD as per Ford's website.

[csv rulz]

If you pay any attention to the VE thread you would know as well that the VE is designed for an AWD system so in the future i think we will see a lot more AWD products (ie AWD commodore). Thats why Holden spent so much money on the Addy

[NickS]

Turbo Territory's are all AWD as per Ford's website.
Thanks for that ... have never looked at the Ford website. I figured that as half of the people posting in this thread are Ford drivers, who I can only assume frequent LS1 to stir the pot, someone would know without having to look it up. Apparently not ...

So there is a 450rwkw version of an AWD that isn't officially available yet ??? :confused: And if you meant 450awkw ... well, your having yourself on :rolleyes:

[Y2kGoofball]

oh yeah theres a whole fleet of genuine 450kw Adventras out there, surprised you didnt know Nick, there the ones that come from Holden with twin super chargers with blow off valves :eyes:

[nang3]

Can some one clarify please ... is the Turbo Territory RWD or AWD ???

If it's AWD and you meant to say 450awkw it must be putting out 600+kW !!! :confused:

oops my bad, all turbo Terrors are AWD but the one i was talking about is a standard non turbo one thats been turbo'ed up - not sure if its AWD or RWD though, i just assumed it would be AWD !!

[nang3]

Thanks for that ... have never looked at the Ford website. I figured that as half of the people posting in this thread are Ford drivers, who I can only assume frequent LS1 to stir the pot, someone would know without having to look it up. Apparently not ...

So there is a 450rwkw version of an AWD that isn't officially available yet ??? :confused: And if you meant 450awkw ... well, your having yourself on :rolleyes:

hehe nah we dont come here to stir the pot - well i only come here cause i love all performance cars and also because its funny to see the uneducated ripping on a ford product without any experience in one.. dont worry there are ford fans who do the same but then theres the middle group who like all cars... except fuggen Hyundais !!!!!!!!!!!!

[seldo]

Your only loooking at the short term ( the small picture) look long term ( the big picture) and you will see it is worth it! they didnt spend all that money on the Addy itself but on the AWD system. which in the future can potentially be in a huge aray of cars! and be a big volume seller! The addy is just one step of many to come! Holden said it them selves you have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run! So try not to be so narrow minded about the Addy its just one stepping stone.
I guess you have some inside info to back your claims...
And I'm certainly not being narrow-minded about ...as you so quaintly call it, the "Addy", ...far from it - I think it's a good bit of kit. You must be confusing my post with one of the FF trolls. All I was disputing was the inflated figures being bandied around as development costs.

[NickS]

... then theres the middle group who like all cars... except fuggen Hyundais !!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we can all agree with that one :yup:

[Ghia351]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yes....by T/Tory I mean the normal Territory. The Ford Dealers in my area have one Turbo in the yard but there are plenty of Std Territories available. Just go in and pick a colour.


Why the F**K do you think you will not hear from me......it is a free world. The turbo terri I have driven definitely had a certain amount of turbo whine, probably to get 2.25t moving.:flip3:


I am 100% sure I work for a car dealer, well someone that sells Fords anyway. And if it be Mr or Mrs, it is all VX-355 and we are both as knowledgeable on the subject. As you only point out Ford sales for the month, I can confirm that the Dealer Principal (I guess you know what that is) has confirmed that the Territory is in the same Vehicle Class (for Sales Figures purposes) as used by VFACTS.

:nopity: Well in closing, and as a way to leave this pointless Blue Vs Red thread for another day I would just like to agree with Danv8...........


:sleep: Y2kGoofball: WHAT A HORNETS NEST YOU OPENED:sleep:

ROFL, far be it for me to question a dealer principal...ask the wise one how come then Toyota has the Kluger and the Rav4 then in the same sales class as the Territory....don't worry everyone knows the Kluger is in the same sales class and the RAV4 competes in the next segment below...but like I said a DP knows it all!

The reference to Mrs & mr was only because one never knows whom one is posting too and it's polite to get it right I thought..sorry for being nice:D

[Venom XR]

VX-355 and Ghia351 are both right. Rav4 and Territory are both in the SUV market. However, Rav4 is in the compact SUV segment of that market, and Territory is in the Medium SUV segment. From VFACTS (May 2006)...

SUV COMPACT SEGMENT MARKET LEADER:
Toyota Rav4

SUV MEDIUM SEGMENT MARKET LEADER:
Ford Territory

You're both arguring over semantics.

[Ghia351]

Do you have a breakdown on the Holden figures as well ?
If It's Ok mods i just copied this over from AFF and Falcon Freaks
post:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=809951#post809951

Summary for June 2006 (June 2005 figures in brackets):

Ford - Australian manufactured vehicles

Falcon/Fairmont - 4,358 (5,433) -19.8%
Territory - 2,225 (2,537) -12.3%
Utility - 1,793 (2,065) -13.2%
Fairlane/LTD - 162 (161) +0.6%

Total - 8,538 (10,196) -16.3%

Ford - fully imported vehicles

Focus - 1,422 (603) +135.8%
Courier - 821 (925) -11.2%
Fiesta - 490 (434) +12.9%
Escape - 284 (234) +21.4%
Transit - 176 (262) -32.8%
F250 - 41 (221) -81.4%
Explorer - 7 (57) -87.7%
Econovan - 2 (17) -88.2%
F350 - 0 (2) -100.0%

Total - 3,243 (2,755) +17.7%

Local + imported = 11,781 (12,951) -9.0%

Much the same for the locally manufactured models except for the LWB models which held their ground. The imported models didn't have as good a month as in May but were still up significantly on the corresponding month in 2005.

As to the dark side.........

Holden - Australian manufactured vehicles

Commodore - 5,014 (6,837) -26.7%
Ute/Crewman - 1,356 (1,923) -29.5%
Adventra - 260 (352) -26.1%
Statesman/Caprice - 211 (275) -23.3%
Monaro - 64 (199) -67.8%

Total - 6,905 (9,586) -28.0%

Holden - fully imported vehicles

Rodeo - 2,025 (2,744) -26.2%
Astra - 1,996 (3,279) -39.1%
Barina - 1,270 (901) +41.0%
Viva - 1,154 (0) N/ABarina
Combo - 110 (113) -2.7%
Vectra - 106 (242) -56.2%
Tigra - 38 (0) N/A
Cruze - 3 (201) -98.5%
Zafira - 0 (42) -100.0%
Jackaroo - 0 (0) N/A

Total - 6,702 (7,522) -10.9%

Local + imported = 13,607 (17,108) -20.5%

Sales of the locally manufactured models continue to be down significantly compared to last year . For the imported models only the Barina showed an increase.

72% of Ford vehicles sold in June 06 are Australian made.
51% of Holden vehicles sold in June 06 are Australian made.


For June 2006 the fuel types were as follows:

Petrol - 76,784 (82.1%)
Diesel - 14,854 (15.9%)
LPG - 1,548 (1.7%)
Hybrid - 295 (0.3%)

Total - 93,481 (2,967 heavy commercial vehicles not included)

For June 2005 the fuel types were as follows:

Petrol - 86,056 (86.8%)
Diesel - 12,045 (12.2%)
LPG - 801 (0.8%)
Hybrid - 175 (0.2%)

Total - 99,077 (3,068 heavy commercial vehicles not included)

Dedicated petrol powered vehicles lost more than 4% of their market share. All non petrol powered segments increased sales compared with June 2005.

FF

[Knight Phlier]

IMO the Adventra is more in competition with the Subi Outback and Audi Allroad..

[who_me_?]

IMO the Adventra is more in competition with the Subi Outback and Audi Allroad..

And add in the Volvo XC70 ? - Mind you if the Audi Allroad was $50k, I would have one in a second !

Anyway, a couple of hundred Adventras a month isn't that bad - after all it is more than either the Statesman/Caprice or Fairlane/LTD ranges. I personally think that the Adventras are sales that would otherwise have gone outside the Holden range...

[JEM]

60 million dollars for Adventra is incorrect.

Adventra dev. was roughly 125 million, Crewman variants ~60 million.

the 60 million dollars would get you no where when developing a new variant, let alone the validation of AWD for several platforms and drivelines.

Although Adventra is a jacked up wagon with plenty of plastic bits added on, there were plenty of structural and technical modifications under the skin (ofcourse nothing like Territory though).

300,000 km's of duribility testing, 1st time implementation of certain technologies for Holden etc.

Holden's investment for all their AWD platforms was roughly 250mil.

[ACT_Cross8]

The way I see it, the Adventra is in the "I want a practical AWD Station Wagon" segment and the Territory is in the "I want to pretend I am a Toyota Landcuiser when I drop the kids at Private School" segment :jester: :hide:

Who cares who sold the most in which month in which segment? Get over it folks, I'm sure they are both great cars.

[silvervyss]

What you may need to understand is Holden produced the Adventra & Cross series as a "pilot" for it's future AWD programe. HSV followed with Avalanche and Coupe4.
The initial sales projections were very conservative and even then were undershot.
All work extremely well aside from a few teething problems - mostly marketing blunders.
They were initially not aimed to take on the "SUV" market at all and we will see this in the future with AWD Holdens with similar ride height to 2WD cars.
As an example the Addy is a lot different to the standard wagon albeit its donor platform with a completely different roof and pillars. Whilst it cannot perhaps be compared in refinement to a higher priced AWD such as Audi or even Subaru it offers a hell of a lot at an affordable price. An LX6 for example is unbeatable for value and performance. The V8 AWD series was cut short by EuroIII compliance with the necessity to introduce the 6Litre V8 which was not included in the current platform's design/AWD programe.
While Ford can enjoy it's Territory success for now, they dont have an answer for what Holden have in the pipeline :)

Mate, the way i see it is holden is trying the 2 milk the shit out of the commodore platform and see how many stupid people (me being one of them) can buy basically the same car, with slightly different interior, engine, body, options. Do the guys at holden have bets to see how many models they can get out of one platform. it's becoming a lilttle ridiculous.
Ford brings out the Territorty and whats holdens answer. Lets add an extra diff to the the wagon, bump up the ride height and "walla"; a new model is born. As for the different roof and pillars, it still has basically the same front, rear, interior and engine .

Picture this if you will : you are driving down the street and a new holden is coming towards you about 400 metres away. Is it a) commdore executive b) berlina c ) calais d) ss e) sv6 f)crewman g) crewman ss h) ss ute i) s ute j) standard ute k) lx6 l) stato m) caprice n ) i have probably missed a couple of models. My point is they are all basically the same. And they wonder why they lose sales to Toyota. Do yourself a favour and walk into a Toyota showroom and compare models. They all look different.

[NickS]

Picture this if you will : you are driving down the street and a new holden is coming towards you about 400 metres away. Is it a) commdore executive b) berlina c ) calais d) ss e) sv6 f)crewman g) crewman ss h) ss ute i) s ute j) standard ute k) lx6 l) stato m) caprice n ) i have probably missed a couple of models. My point is they are all basically the same. And they wonder why they lose sales to Toyota. Do yourself a favour and walk into a Toyota showroom and compare models. They all look different.
And I wouldn't but any of them ... what's your point ???

So you have a range of choices, that's a good thing !!! Commodore sales should be viewed on a total basis rather than an individual model basis. There is no point to Toyota making the range of cars that Holden does, their cars have to narrow a focus to be bale to pull it off. Holden can sell a basic Exec Commodore and HSV can sell a $100K GTS based on the same shell.

People buy Toyotas because they don't care what they are driving and they are good quality. Basically, they are boring, but they work.

[HSVMAN]

Mate........... Do the guys at holden have bets to see how many models they can get out of one platform. it's becoming a lilttle ridiculous.
Ford brings out the Territorty and whats holdens answer. Lets add an extra diff to the the wagon, bump up the ride height and "walla"; a new model is born. As for the different roof and pillars, it still has basically the same front, rear, interior and engine .

My point is they are all basically the same. And they wonder why they lose sales to Toyota. Do yourself a favour and walk into a Toyota showroom and compare models. They all look different.

Mate.... Adventra was developed before Territory, it wasn't anyone's answer to anything. The reason for it's development has already been stated.

If YOU really want to go take a look at Toyota they have more models and variations of models than any othe manufacturer, period :D

[csv rulz]

Mate, the way i see it is holden is trying the 2 milk the shit out of the commodore platform and see how many stupid people (me being one of them) can buy basically the same car, with slightly different interior, engine, body, options. Do the guys at holden have bets to see how many models they can get out of one platform. it's becoming a lilttle ridiculous.
Ford brings out the Territorty and whats holdens answer. Lets add an extra diff to the the wagon, bump up the ride height and "walla"; a new model is born. As for the different roof and pillars, it still has basically the same front, rear, interior and engine .

Picture this if you will : you are driving down the street and a new holden is coming towards you about 400 metres away. Is it a) commdore executive b) berlina c ) calais d) ss e) sv6 f)crewman g) crewman ss h) ss ute i) s ute j) standard ute k) lx6 l) stato m) caprice n ) i have probably missed a couple of models. My point is they are all basically the same. And they wonder why they lose sales to Toyota. Do yourself a favour and walk into a Toyota showroom and compare models. They all look different.

The Adventra was built before the territory!!! And it wasnt built to compete with anything it was built as a development for AWD!! Holden being able to build so many cars off of one platform shows how versitile that platform is. It doesnt make those cars worse just because they can build them off the same platform. it makes Holden smart because it costs them less and they are providing a wider range of vehicles to the public.

[Aus8]

The Adventra was built before the territory!!! And it wasnt built to compete with anything it was built as a development for AWD!! Holden being able to build so many cars off of one platform shows how versitile that platform is. It doesnt make those cars worse just because they can build them off the same platform. it makes Holden smart because it costs them less and they are providing a wider range of vehicles to the public.
So smart that the whole AWD range is being dropped due to poor sales!! :hmmm: :doh: :stick: :limpy:

[csv rulz]

So smart that the whole AWD range is being dropped due to poor sales!! :hmmm: :doh: :stick: :limpy:

They are dropping them your right but it has also been said that the VE platform is noe designed to accomidate AWD!!!

And i believe in the future maybe VF that we will probably see AWD commodores coming out! Holden said it themselves that the Adventra was just a stepping stone!

By the way i was talking about Holden being smart by cutting costs and being able to offer a huge range of cars off of one platform!!:weirdo:

I dont know why so many people are against the adventra its a good car it bought in sales Holden would normally not get! 125million is not that much to Holden considering they spend $200million a year on engineering and have just invested $1.8billion over 3 years!

[who_me_?]

I dont know why so many people are against the adventra its a good car it bought in sales Holden would normally not get!

And that is probably the whole point...

I bought one but if I didn't, nothing else in the range would have been any good for me so it would have been another BMW X5, a Mercedes ML (yes, had one of those before), Volvo XC70 (maybe a XC90), Audi Allroad or, and this is very unlikely indeed - a Territory...

Quite frankly the LX6 was the best value for money and has equipment that is optional in many of the cars noted above. Did you know that in the XC70 Volvo (SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY...) ESP is a option ? :stick:

[who_me_?]

The way I see it, the Adventra is in the "I want a practical AWD Station Wagon" segment and the Territory is in the "I want to pretend I am a Toyota Landcuiser when I drop the kids at Private School" segment :jester: :hide:

Who cares who sold the most in which month in which segment? Get over it folks, I'm sure they are both great cars.

That is why (down here anyway), you see many Adventras showing signs of spending time on gravel roads etc. (like mine) but many Territorys are buffed up "show ponies" which drive around town...

[Venom XR]

...buffed up "show ponies" which drive around town...

Sounds like most 4WDs. Lets face it, if you wanted a truely hardcore 4WD you'd get something like a Landrover Defender. Even the old Landcruiser has gone a bit soft these days.

[Ghia351]

Mate.... Adventra was developed before Territory, it wasn't anyone's answer to anything. The reason for it's development has already been stated.

If YOU really want to go take a look at Toyota they have more models and variations of models than any othe manufacturer, period :DJust out of interest when did Ford start work on the Terry and when did Holden start work on the Addy?

p.s just thinking aloud, why is it that the Terry brings up so much more discussions then even the AU, lol.

[Y2kGoofball]

Did you know that in the XC70 Volvo (SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY...) ESP is a option ? yes I did, however whats not an option is broken engine mounts and lower control arm bushes! Seeing as I started this mess would you guys like me to educate you on the XC70 as an AWD car ... XC90 for that matter is a good example of a pretend 4WD (its acctually an AWD not 4WD), 60% Front Wheel Drive, 40% Back Wheel and it handles like a front wheel drive car :shock:


if you wanted a truely hardcore 4WD you'd get something like a Landrover Defender true, except it is a 4 Wheel Drive and designed for off road use. In acctual fact although the Disco 3 and even the new Range Rover range cops a bagging for being city based 4 Wheel Drives, if youve ever acctually taken one off road their still a true 4WD under the skin.

Dammit theres 2 thirds of the answer to my question waaaaay back a few pages :lol:

Also speaking of off roading and talking about uneducated comments/opinions and whatever else what surprised me is for a car thats not really designed as an off road car as such, when pushed to the limit Ive seen the Adventra handle some pretty tough off road conditions during demonstrations. I am yet to see a Territory do it. Not saying that it cant be done, but I havent seen a Territory really hit a 4WD track just for the hell of it.

[rednut99]

I take it you have all seen this?!

Seems to be not much slower than a 1900kg ute :burnout:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v308/yoot/XR6%20Turbo/?action=view&current=24062006001.flv

[nang3]

wheels magazine;

Ford’s Territory Turbo has raised the bar so high even Porsche’s Cayenne S can’t keep up. Yes, we’re that impressed. It was a long time coming, but full performance testing and decent road time in the thing has convinced us that this Aussie SUV is a practical hard charger that’s been worth the wait.

[O5BRKY]

That's Wheels for ya..:stick:

[Holden Man]

I don't understand vehicles like the Territory. Big, Heavy, thirsty, starting to look boring, more expensive to run than a car or wagon. How serious could you go off-road with it before becoming stuck anyway.

Need a 4WD, buy an old patrol or Land Cruiser you will have more fun.

Territory is trying to cash in on the 4WD / SUV scene which is in it's death throws anyway.

Why do people need to drive in big vehicles ? they don't need them

A clever design is the new Honda oddyssey which looks no bigger than a station wagon but is huge inside.

[turbo6]

It is not marketed as a hard core 4wd so why would you try?

It you can't understand why you need that much power to pick the kids up from school, then you are not giving the problem your full attention. Why do the majority of the guys on this site drive V8's?? Because they want to. I would say the majority don't NEED to but, it is their choice.

Would you like to drive a Honda Odyssey?? I would much rather be driving a turbo terri with some grunt myself.

[HSE2]

Why do people need to drive in big vehicles ? they don't need them


Don't say that too loud, not with Holden spending so much on a bigger, heavier, car. For many our large sedans have the same question marks hanging over their heads.

[Holden Man]

Don't say that too loud, not with Holden spending so much on a bigger, heavier, car. For many our large sedans have the same question marks hanging over their heads.

That's true I suppose. Sedans are not what you would call big, but heavy yes. I just have gripe with people who get large 4WD vehicles just beacuse they are currently / were cool with the in crowd.

[Holden Man]

I would much rather be driving a turbo terri with some grunt myself.

True, but why not just a fast sedan !

[rs2000]

I don't understand vehicles like the Territory. Big, Heavy, thirsty, starting to look boring, more expensive to run than a car or wagon. How serious could you go off-road with it before becoming stuck anyway.

Need a 4WD, buy an old patrol or Land Cruiser you will have more fun.

Territory is trying to cash in on the 4WD / SUV scene which is in it's death throws anyway.

Why do people need to drive in big vehicles ? they don't need them

A clever design is the new Honda oddyssey which looks no bigger than a station wagon but is huge inside.
so by your definition all subaru's are 4wd??there is a huge difference between awd and 4wd.

[nang3]

That's Wheels for ya..:stick:
hehe yeh im not the biggest fan of Wheels either.. they usually seem less performance orientated than motor et al

[turbo6]

True, but why not just a fast sedan !

Doing the aforementioned comparison with the Honda Odyssey.

I would rather a Turbo terri than a Honda O..........

[Holden Man]

so by your definition all subaru's are 4wd??there is a huge difference between awd and 4wd.

What are you talking about. Did I mention AWD....NO, Did I mention SUBARU.....NO. I have no problems with AWD sedans but don't understand why someone needs a big/medium 4WD (Landcruiser/Patrol/Territory) if they just use it for the road.

[Holden Man]

Doing the aforementioned comparison with the Honda Odyssey.

I would rather a Turbo terri than a Honda O..........

me too !

But are we stuck with the choice of those two.

[csv rulz]

Its quiet amusing to see how far off the original subject this thread has gone. Go back and read the very first post, then read what you guys are arguing about, there completely different.:argue:

[rs2000]

What are you talking about. Did I mention AWD....NO, Did I mention SUBARU.....NO. I have no problems with AWD sedans but don't understand why someone needs a big/medium 4WD (Landcruiser/Patrol/Territory) if they just use it for the road.

you don't get it...the territory is in the same mould as subaru/audi allrounder /volvo/adventra etc..it's awd. to my way of thinking a 4wd vehicle contains the ability to go purely offroad with such things as diff locks, high & low range transfer cases etc, i certainly don't put the territory in that class of vehicle..

[Holden Man]

you don't get it...the territory is in the same mould as subaru/audi allrounder /volvo/adventra etc..it's awd. to my way of thinking a 4wd vehicle contains the ability to go purely offroad with such things as diff locks, high & low range transfer cases etc, i certainly don't put the territory in that class of vehicle..

So is the 2WD Territory an AWD? :stick:

The "AWD" term is purely a marketing term.

subaru / audi allrounder /volvo / adventra - all no bigger than station wagons which I don't have a problem with. (except the XC90 which I do)

"csv rulz
Its quiet amusing to see how far off the original subject this thread has gone. Go back and read the very first post, then read what you guys are arguing about, there completely different. "

I agree. I think I've whinged enough ! :doh:

[who_me_?]

Just a Adventra comment that may be of interest (from http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleID=18456)

"Ten Minutes With... Phillip Brook, Commodore marketing manager"

There is some speculation over Adventra continuing?

We've got [the new] Captiva [mid-size all-terrain wagon] coming through and we'll be talking about that over the next couple of months. And we will just keep reviewing how Adventra goes, but it's found a bit of a niche doing 250-300 a month with little stress or strain. And it's profitable. But it does add a bit of complexity to the plant and once you've got two lines [VZ & VE] coming through it becomes more difficult.

[VE Turbo]

Mate, the way i see it is holden is trying the 2 milk the shit out of the commodore platform and see how many stupid people (me being one of them) can buy basically the same car, with slightly different interior, engine, body, options. Do the guys at holden have bets to see how many models they can get out of one platform. it's becoming a lilttle ridiculous.
Ford brings out the Territorty and whats holdens answer. Lets add an extra diff to the the wagon, bump up the ride height and "walla"; a new model is born. As for the different roof and pillars, it still has basically the same front, rear, interior and engine .

Picture this if you will : you are driving down the street and a new holden is coming towards you about 400 metres away. Is it a) commdore executive b) berlina c ) calais d) ss e) sv6 f)crewman g) crewman ss h) ss ute i) s ute j) standard ute k) lx6 l) stato m) caprice n ) i have probably missed a couple of models. My point is they are all basically the same. And they wonder why they lose sales to Toyota. Do yourself a favour and walk into a Toyota showroom and compare models. They all look different.


Yeah,
Like Big Mac, Quarter Pounder and McFeast.
Oh, and The Terry has always looked like a Big Forrie to me.
I think a McOta would suit someone who owns a Mc Mansion in Melb.

[Blonk1]

Suprised the Terri didnt win.. After all it was Red.............

[ti0350]

If you take into account the turbo terry add campaign then my VySS must eat ferrari's like for snack as the terry beside me today couldn't keep up and I hadnt even flattened it..

[Carby]

Doing the aforementioned comparison with the Honda Odyssey.

I would rather a Turbo terri than a Honda O..........


I have been critical of Ford releasing a two tonne high performance SUV - what is it's purpose? to carry seven at great speed? - a car with a higher centre of gravity than the XR6 T. The idea of having 7 people in a vehicle with that type of performance makes no sense to me. It is as bizzare as the Porshe Cayenne. Now if they put in a Turbo Diesel - that I can understand - better torque with great towing capabilities using less fuel - makes sense.

I think the catch cry "eats sports cars for breakfast" is somewhat irresponsible and childish. What does it promote??:confused: :confused:

[Y2kGoofball]

well it promotes rear ending sports cars doesnt it?

Then again I suppose the Adventra was about to race an emu - whats that all about?

At least the Crewman X8 was useful towing a boat up a hill on Mars :yup:

[Lucifer]

I have been critical of Ford releasing a two tonne high performance SUV - what is it's purpose? to carry seven at great speed? - a car with a higher centre of gravity than the XR6 T. The idea of having 7 people in a vehicle with that type of performance makes no sense to me. It is as bizzare as the Porshe Cayenne. Now if they put in a Turbo Diesel - that I can understand - better torque with great towing capabilities using less fuel - makes sense.

I think the catch cry "eats sports cars for breakfast" is somewhat irresponsible and childish. What does it promote??:confused: :confused:

What are you confused about? I'm confused that you can't understand an advertising campaign that promotes a high performance SUV. Whether your pea sized brain can get it or not, there is a market out there for high performance SUV's. BMW X5, ML500, Ceyenne, Tourag, etc.... The point is the Turbo Terri is very well positioned in this market.

As to what the ad promotes. Have you forgotten the AC/DC jingle where a ss ute was doing doughnuts in a paddock? What did that promote? While I would never consider buying one of these monsters, I am open minded enough to see the point:rofl:

Getting back to the topic (which I thought was dead and buried), Nothing has changed the fact that Goofball was having a wet dream when he decided to bag the Turbo Terri.

If ever there was a question mark over the validity of a model, the Adventurer takes the cake. This thread is nothing but :bs:

[payaya]

I have been critical of Ford releasing a two tonne high performance SUV - what is it's purpose? to carry seven at great speed? - a car with a higher centre of gravity than the XR6 T. The idea of having 7 people in a vehicle with that type of performance makes no sense to me. It is as bizzare as the Porshe Cayenne. Now if they put in a Turbo Diesel - that I can understand - better torque with great towing capabilities using less fuel - makes sense.

I think the catch cry "eats sports cars for breakfast" is somewhat irresponsible and childish. What does it promote??:confused: :confused:


whats the point of any performance car? Whats the point of HSV using the magnetic ride system? Its not like we would ever use it as going around a corner quick is dangerous.

[Y2kGoofball]

guys just leave it.

Ive been prooven wrong several times over on this thread, it appears that what I see doesnt acctually happen ... perhaps the first sign of craziness, but Ive given up. We love the Holden product so much on this forum that when some poor bastard tries to stick up for it by recreating what he saw, hes shot down several times over and basically told that he shouldve just gone with the oppositions product, because thats whats the hype at the moment.

No use going back and forth over this topic though and getting stuck into one and other (and me) again considering it was dead and buried from way back in July. Point is what i saw is apparantly just a figment of my imagination, very few Holden fans acctually like the Adventra, and the rest would rather buy a 4x4 wannabe.

Thats my rant, stick it into me again over it, I seriously dont care ATM :bawl:

[JimmyXR6T04]

i suppose all types of cars appeal to different people for different reasons. If you had 4 kids, obviously an XR6T won't be big enough, so a turbo terry might be the go.

I hear that they're getting some good results with the edited territories now. Don't be too surprised if a few LS1s and XR6Ts get taken for surprise. Exhaust, edit, injectors should produce some nice all wheel drive power/torque.. could leave a few standard cars playing catch up.

People choose cars for a variety of reasons, some times its preference, other times its more a choice because of needs. Live and let live i say. Hard to compare such a vast difference in cars, even an SS and an XR6T are hard to compare, yet people always do it.