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[chris748]

will this apply to asking for xlotto nos
or people dancing out the same crap every 3 months to give their egos a rub?


p.s. only the fortunate few will read this b4 it gets censored by ????????

[RichardM]

Originally posted by FDVTGEN3SS
Ladies and Gents.

Moderators have noticed that there is a fair amount of people posting content lately which has not been very constructive for the subject of the thread.

For example posts like -
- You have PM
- I agree (why do u agree? tell us?)
- Conversational posts (PM's can be used)


Fabian,

What do you mean by Conversational posts?

Most of the fun of this forum comes from the interaction of the participants.
Taking too much to PMs would kill the spontaneous nature of the forum because any answers are seen only by the receiver of the PM not the larger forum community.

I hope that the rules are not made to restrictive as I feel you could risk this forum dieing out. :(

Also, imagine being the recipient of 40 PMs all asking what colour, what size, how much when one post to the thread could have given the same effect.

Having said that, I do agree with your position on the “me too” and “you have mail” posts.

:bow: :wave:

[Fabio's CV8]

Originally posted by chris748
will this apply to asking for xlotto nos or people dancing out the same crap every 3 months to give their egos a rub?

If it is a legimate post then there should be no reason why we should delete it!

Stuff lke loto threads etc, (not really related to the forum) will get deleted a week or so later as the information is obselete.
We think this is fair enough. If not let us know!



Originally posted by RichardM
Fabian,

Most of the fun of this forum comes from the interaction of the participants.

Yes we know Richard....this site is getting so big now we need to accomadate for these things.

There general section is still good for this type of stuff but there are users that just post stuff to get there count up, absolutely useless comments that are not needed!

With time everyone will know how far to take it as they will notice that there posts will be disapering. We just have to set the standard and all should be smooth sailing from there. :)

[Haroc]

say... in a 'joke' thread from Stealthy for instance, a reply laughing? or saying its a good one etc, would that be deemed inapropriate, and Richard sumed up a fair bit there.. still cant kill the conversation totally...

[Fabio's CV8]

Originally posted by Haroc
say... in a 'joke' thread from Stealthy for instance, a reply laughing? or saying its a good one etc, would that be deemed inapropriate, and Richard sumed up a fair bit there.. still cant kill the conversation totally...

Joke will prob be merged into the jokes only thread.
This would be a couple of days later when everyone has had there laugh and all the responses will be deleted.

[ShanghaiVZ]

Originally posted by RichardM
Fabian,

What do you mean by Conversational posts?

Most of the fun of this forum comes from the interaction of the participants.
Taking too much to PMs would kill the spontaneous nature of the forum because any answers are seen only by the receiver of the PM not the larger forum community.

I hope that the rules are not made to restrictive as I feel you could risk this forum dieing out. :(

Also, imagine being the recipient of 40 PMs all asking what colour, what size, how much when one post to the thread could have given the same effect.

Having said that, I do agree with your position on the “me too” and “you have mail” posts.



:bow: :wave:

Also...the rules are for our benefit as well as the forum...without them there is no forum...So I can understand where there coming from with this particular subject...with the amount of new members joining up..I strongly doubt this forum will ever die out.....:D

[MICBOD]

As the number of members grow, and the post counts rise, we are obviously using more resources on the server. Is this the main reason for this, or is it purely to have a more consise and informative site.

I tend to agree that sometimes posting unnecessarily is evident, and all of us have been guilty of this especially with the "Smart arse comments". Will these type of comments be allowed and later deleted, or will they impose the wrath that Sidey mentioned?

Michael

[Fabio's CV8]

Originally posted by MICBOD
As the number of members grow, and the post counts rise, we are obviously using more resources on the server. Is this the main reason for this, or is it purely to have a more consise and informative site.

Both!


Originally posted by MICBOD
I tend to agree that sometimes posting unnecessarily is evident, and all of us have been guilty of this especially with the "Smart arse comments". Will these type of comments be allowed and later deleted, or will they impose the wrath that Sidey mentioned?

I think Sidey was talking about this thread.
I will have to confirm this with him. Originally thought of deleting it a day or two later...will consult and get back to you!

[XLR8 V8]

This action has come about due to the influx of useless and sometimes offensive posts/threads clogging up the forums. I have personally killed off over 10 of these in the last few days. Threads saying "Check your PM", others trying to start arguments, and even more with people trying to get the last word on a previously closed thread.
Threads are closed for a reason.... once it's closed - MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES. Anyone starting a new thread to try and get in the last word will be referred to the Admin for a banning.
If you want to start and argument or hurl abuse at other people, join Performance Forums or somewhere else, 'cause it will no longer be tolerated here.
The conversational threads Fabian is talking about are, for example, threads titled "Attention: Joe Bloggs" where the only content is something like "Did you end up buying that VL?". This type of thing should be contained to PM's. I would suggest that all members enable PM Notification where a popup box appears notifying you of an unread PM.
If someone starts a thread trying to sell their car/bike/parts, don't post unecessarily saying "You're dreaming at that price!" or try selling your own similar parts in that thread. Just let them try to sell it! (especially aimed at those posts where people have been trying to sell Powerchips and the like).
These forums have previously been praised for providing a good source of information and chat, without all the garbage that appears on some of the other forums. Recently however, some of that crap has started to find it's way here, and we're putting a stop to it before it gets any worse.
You can hate this (and us Mods) all you like for acting on this, but these are the rules of the forums.

[VX2VESS]

should some form a chating be allowed under the general forum. technical etc thread should remain that way. PM are anly to one person not everyone.

[XLR8 V8]

Originally posted by vt2vx
should some form a chating be allowed under the general forum. technical etc thread should remain that way. PM are anly to one person not everyone.

Chatting about stuff that is "on topic" is fine, but any posts that start side-tracking or hijacking a thread will either "magically" disappear, or will be relocated to their own thread.
We really just want it so that if someone joins the forum in 3 months time and performs a search for any info posted on, say, diff gear changes ..... that they get exactly that.... not a bunch of threads that start out talking about diffs and end up clogged with useless posts. There is room for some socialising on the forums.... we are a "community" after all.... but the useless posts won't stay there for very long after the thread has served it's purpose is all. Sounds fair? :)

[VX2VESS]

sounds fine to me.. ooops

[RichardM]

Thanks for the clarification dudes. :wave:

So for example, if I said:
"Hey XLR8_V8, I got my Monaro CAI, and now my car sounds as good as your's."
That would be both an "in-joke" of sorts, a hijacking of a thread, side-tracking and in this case a "Smart arse comment". :)

That's a good point about threads staying on-topic for later searches.

What about cruses and meets? I have tried to put any I’ve started in both the relevant cruse section as well as in the general section for non-validated members.
Is this OK?
Is the private cruse section just for closed meetings?
I.e. non-validated members not welcome?
If so, I’ll put any “all welcome” meetings in the general section only.

Sorry if these are dumb questions. :stupid:
Keep up the good work guys. :bow:

[Fabio's CV8]

Richard,

Its up to you whether your meet is private or not!
Just make sure you stick to the subject guidelines! ;)
You can put a copy in the General sction as well if you like!

[XLR8 V8]

Originally posted by RichardM
Thanks for the clarification dudes. :wave:

So for example, if I said:
"Hey XLR8_V8, I got my Monaro CAI, and now my car sounds as good as your's."
That would be both an "in-joke" of sorts, a hijacking of a thread, side-tracking and in this case a "Smart arse comment". :)

That's a good point about threads staying on-topic for later searches.


Grandpa.... err.... I mean Richard,
Your *cough* "Joke" *cough* :lol: would probably be OK in a thread about CAI's or a followup thread discussing the events of a meet.... though it would probably be removed at a later date from the CAI thread to clean up for later searches.

[RichardM]

Fair enough.

I've had a shave BTW. (Once a month, if I need it or not.)

[Rod]

Originally posted by FDVTGEN3SS
Ladies and Gents.

Moderators have noticed that there is a fair amount of people posting content lately which has not been very constructive for the subject of the thread.
Thanks
<snip>
Ls1admin

does the (newly upgraded) software allow for people to mark their post as temporary for automatic deletion after a fixed time? This would allow the conversational posts to be made without burdening the system or moderators too much - just a thought :)

[Sidewindr]

I was referring to the myriad of "me too" posts that appeared in here after fabian posted. It wasn't very funny.

It is not going to be a draconian approach and will be at the moderators discression. Just use common sense etc... the backup of the forums was nearly 200MB last time I backed it up :shock: after the pruning.

I will be regularly pruning threads from the non tech sections so it is important to keep the information good and on subject in the tech sections.

chris748: what is your problem exactly ?

[Fabio's CV8]

Originally posted by Rod
does the (newly upgraded) software allow for people to mark their post as temporary for automatic deletion after a fixed time?

I don't think it can Rod, I will check with Sidey!

[chris748]

Originally posted by Sidewindr
I was referring to the myriad of "me too" posts that appeared in here after fabian posted. It wasn't very funny.

It is not going to be a draconian approach and will be at the moderators discression. Just use common sense etc... the backup of the forums was nearly 200MB last time I backed it up :shock: after the pruning.

I will be regularly pruning threads from the non tech sections so it is important to keep the information good and on subject in the tech sections.

chris748: what is your problem exactly ?
no problem just looking for consistency

[Dane]

Originally posted by XLR8_V8
This action has come about due to the influx of useless and sometimes offensive posts/threads clogging up the forums. I have personally killed off over 10 of these in the last few days. Threads saying "Check your PM", others trying to start arguments, and even more with people trying to get the last word on a previously closed thread.
Threads are closed for a reason.... once it's closed - MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES. Anyone starting a new thread to try and get in the last word will be referred to the Admin for a banning.

..... You make a few points here. I like to make mention that this forum (I understood) was for fellow Holden LS1 enthusists. A lot of excellent friendships have been made through this forum. Please don't assume what you may see as offencive is in actual fact is recieved by the recipient as a bit of fun.

You might not agree with with treads posted.... but, you might just find that others are. EG: Enviornment or Safety. For any moderator to assume that what a forumer is saying is offensive or as you say "the last word", it just might, just might be an important issue to that forumer. Not to you, but still considered important.

If a thread is closed, and is opened again without the so called abuse, there is no reason to close the thread. Thats what this forum is about.

Moderators are to moderate abuse yes, PM material yes, but not to police the topics raised if relevent. If I make a jokin' gester to a fellow forumer (Not rude or abusive) FOLLOWED by a relevant question, the post should NOT be deleted. Sound a bit Big Brother'ish.

If its a backup issue, look at sharin' the costs. I'll contribute as I always have. But I enjoy a bit of fools play with fellow forumers who enjoy the forum enviornment. To police what i can see as "Fun" & "Stirr" is to loose some of the charator of this forum.

In general this forum has never been abusive, and if little flare ups happen there delt with at that time. Shame the moderators see the need for this type of policing.

Hope this post dont get deleted or edited ah.

:cheers:

[XLR8 V8]

Originally posted by Dane
Please don't assume what you may see as offencive is in actual fact is recieved by the recipient as a bit of fun.
Dane, you seem to misunderstand my interpretation of an offensive post .... some of the posts I refer to are deleted within 1 minute of the poster putting it up, so you don't actually get to see them at all. Some of the posts deleted in the past have contained racial slurs, threats and foul language in the extreme ... nothing that in the furthest stretch of the imagination could be construed as an "in-joke" between certain members. In addition, while 2 members calling each other names may be fun to them, it may appear to the other 998 outside observers (and growing daily) who aren't in on the joke, that the 2 people are arguing and the forum might not be such a nice place to join/remain after all. Threads do get reported to us using the "Report to Moderator" function from members who think that a thread/post is inappropriate or has gotten out of control. If another member reports to us that they find a certain post offensive, we need to act on it and review, edit or delete the offending post. We Mods are here to ensure the forums are a place for everyone to enjoy, not just the long standing members.


If a thread is closed, and is opened again without the so called abuse, there is no reason to close the thread. Thats what this forum is about.
Threads are closed because they have either gotten too heated (to allow everyone to cool off), or gone completely off the original topic. Not because one or two posts are an issue. In that case, only the offending posts would be edited/deleted and the thread would continue. In the case of the recent "Environment" thread, the member posted simply asking others how he could get out of a fine, only to have everyone start ragging on him about polluting the environment. Sure, he didn't do the right thing, but 20 posts telling him so was enough .... he got the point! ;)
The thread was closed because it was no longer constructive and the talk was getting rather heated/personal. When others starting opening new threads just to continue the "lesson", they were, despite their good intentions, just reopening a wound that had started to heal.


Moderators are to moderate abuse yes, PM material yes, but not to police the topics raised if relevent. If I make a jokin' gester to a fellow forumer (Not rude or abusive) FOLLOWED by a relevant question, the post should NOT be deleted. Sound a bit Big Brother'ish.
As Sidey has already said in this thread (as have I), we are not adopting a Draconian approach to deleting everything not related to Holdens/LS1's. I have even joked with another member in this thread, but I also answered his question. Relevant threads won't get deleted on purpose without consultation with the other Mods. We are still a "community" and will continue to be a great one..... we are not saying it will become a "Police state" ..... fun and stirring is fine as long as it doesn't hijack the entire thread.


In general this forum has never been abusive, and if little flare ups happen there delt with at that time. Shame the moderators see the need for this type of policing.
The forum has not appeared abusive in the past 'cause the Mods/Admins have been doing their jobs quietly behind the scenes.... but as I said above, with our recent growth, a level of antagonism has started to creep it's way onto the forums. So we needed to act before it got any worse. All we have now done is remind everyone - new and old - of the rules that we have been/will be enforcing.

As for deleting/editing this post of yours, never fear, all is well :) ... everyone is allowed to question things if they do it the right way, calmly and rationally :thumbsup:

[Dane]

Appreciate your clarity ..... :D

[Sidewindr]

Originally posted by RichardM
What about cruses and meets? I have tried to put any I’ve started in both the relevant cruse section as well as in the general section for non-validated members.
Is this OK?
Is the private cruse section just for closed meetings?
I.e. non-validated members not welcome?
If so, I’ll put any “all welcome” meetings in the general section only.


Cruise info and cruise discussion is for the cruise section only. The general section should only get a notice that there is a cruise on at whatever date and to pm the organiser for details. :D

chris: Where is the inconsistency ? :eek:

[Dane]

Howdy,

Just got a chance to reply. Last night didn't have the chance.

In ref. to "name calling", the tack, as an example of who I personaly stirr the pot with forumers has never changed since I first arrived. Ie: To delete a post in which I refer to a forumers as "Big Poof" and use the the symbol that is provided , followed by a ralivant question is in my eyes NOT ok to delete. No offence was given to the other 998 forumers, the pun was a simple joke. So why delete ? Especially with a question thats relivant to the tread. I have never been cras to a fellow forumer, nor do I believe anyone has complained about my jockularity. So why start to chance the level of the policing ?

Re: the "Enviornment / Safety" tread ..... I restarted this thread cause it was a topic I believe (Not just because a moderator doesn't like it) the issue of Ciggies and the fact we on this forum have members willing to litter. To object to this behaviour, NO ABUSE GIVEN, is fair , relivant, and outright RIGHT. So for a moderator to judge what he or she thinks is appropriate is not correct in this occasion. Remember I'm the forumer that reposted, I'm the forumer willing to discuss contriversial topics. Look at the tread reposted and tell me where it was NOT appropriate. This is where I see the Big brother. Moderators opinions should remain an opinion. No moderator even PM me or discussed closing the tread then even deleting the tread...... WHY ? Are the moderators to busy to share thier opinions on the best way to censor the forumers ior just not tell them you are to just delete and close ah?

You say the the antagonism is creepin' up, Not mine, never changed. So why the sudden keeness to delete my posts. If they were seen acceptable a month ago or even 5 months ago.... why are my posts unaccepable now ? Pls give me an example of where my supposed anatagonism has been beyond the boundries of what moderators think it should be in the recent mass deletions that I have copped.

As I said before, moderators are to moderate. The forumers are the people whom you should be consulting as to the type of environment this forum whats.... not a modorator pushing his or her thought on the best way. Every one should have a say, so for the moderators to redifine the boundries of participation, you the moderators have to discuss that with the forumers BEFORE you apply what you think is right. Thats democracy.... or are we socialist now ?

[motomk]

Must be me here!!!
Dane,
I locked the second one as your point of view was clearly stated already on the other thread. vpv8calais had obviously got the message. Furthuring the arguement, although it may have not looked like you were arguing would have inflamed the situation again. Therefore the lock. I did say on the post if you saw it before it was deleted that you could send me a PM if you wanted to discuss it.

Everyone should not be worried about posts being deleted, they are just the useless ones that serve no purpose. You have a PM, Happy Birthday etc etc. are small examples. I will not even delete whitty comments as long as they are "appropriate", mainly coz I am a big offender here.

motomk

[Dane]

This is my point MOTOMK,

The tread topic to me was important enough to relist without the offence. The tread was THEN deleted..... Why?

The topic was a car related topic discussing the effects of litter and the image drivers have for smokers. This is not to cause a fight, but raise an issue we all should have concern about.

The moderators shouldn't delete or even close a thread like this. No offence was in the second tread, just thoughts on safty and the enviornment. The forum is to share each individual opinion, just cause a moderator disagrees shouldn't warrent a closer or deletion.

If an individual thinks the environment or safety is secondry to litter waste, then thats just opinion, not a reason to close or delete. This is not you personaly MOTO, we had a small chat about this last night , but the topic is very much related to us as drivers and as you can see, I'm passionate about these issues.

:cheers:

[motomk]

Not guilty on the delete! I generally don't delete threads, It is only the Stealthmeister I have had to delete when he went through his gutter jokes phase. Of course he has fully recovered now!:)

Now back to the point in hand. Your views were clear and passionate on the first thread so I saw no reason to leave the second one open when the perpertrator of the other thread was going to cop more abuse if I hadn't closed it. Ok maybe not from you, but how long would it have taken? not too long I suggest.

Not good at arguing here! help!!!

motomk

[Sidewindr]

Dane the line has to be drawn somewhere .. the moderators are given the authority to draw that line and make decisions of that nature.

The decision has been made soo live with it. This is not a point of discussion any more.

Part of the reason why we've gotten where we have with minimal agro is we have not tolerated it and this is not going to change.

[AQICLS3]

Originally posted by motomk
Must be me here!!!
Dane,
Everyone should not be worried about posts being deleted, they are just the useless ones that serve no purpose. You have a PM, Happy Birthday etc etc. are small examples. I will not even delete whitty comments as long as they are "appropriate", mainly coz I am a big offender here.

motomk

Why cant we say happy birthday to people?? sometimes people do like it? whats the big deal of celebrating someones birthday. its like putting up a thread in the road kill section and celebrating a win!

and many times i have seen moderators post things like "i agree" and "you have a PM" why are they aloud to?

TRoy

[Fabio's CV8]

Troy,

READ THE FIRST POST!

Of course we can still wish peoples happy birthdays etc.
Its just that a few days later when the thread is done it will get deleted! It is not Holden Forum usefull information and is a waste of space.

When you read the first post you will also see that this apples to Moderators!

[Dane]

Originally posted by Sidewindr
The decision has been made soo live with it. This is not a point of discussion any more.

...... Thought it wasn't big brother Sidey. You choose to close a relevant discussion yet again ah?

So what ya saying is my point of view is not worth shit to the moderators, cause thats whats meant by "Soo live with it".

Fine .... I will not particpate in the tread anymore.

I dont expect this post to be deleted as others have.

:cheers:

[XLR8 V8]

Originally posted by Dane
Pls give me an example of where my supposed anatagonism has been beyond the boundries of what moderators think it should be in the recent mass deletions that I have copped.
Dane, at no point in my posts in this thread did I say that you were guilty of an antagonistic attitude .... I simply stated that a concerning level of antagonism had found it's way into the forums lately.


As I said before, moderators are to moderate. The forumers are the people whom you should be consulting as to the type of environment this forum whats.... not a modorator pushing his or her thought on the best way. Every one should have a say, so for the moderators to redifine the boundries of participation, you the moderators have to discuss that with the forumers BEFORE you apply what you think is right. Thats democracy.... or are we socialist now ?

Dane, don't take this the wrong way, but this forum is NOT a democracy at all. The mods and Admins are not elected by members and therefore are not required to consult with members at all before making any changes to forum policy. And furthermore, this is not a change to forum policy at all, just enforcement of the existing ones. This wonderful forum is here because Sidey allows it to be here ... above all else, he is in charge - end of story ... if he wants to change anything at all, it's his perogative to do so .... he could just as easily delete the forum altogether! ;) Just enjoy the place and get on with your life.
If you don't like the way this forum is run, you could always start your own and run it whatever way you like. I can assure you that once it turns into a flamefest, you would quickly gain a new appreciation for the work that the mods and admins do. Lines have to be drawn in the sand, otherwise people just trample their crap posts all over the place and the forum loses it's focus.
As it appears that you are taking the deletion of any of your posts as some sort of personal attack, so I would like to state again that this post is in no way telling you to shut-up or leave the forums ... just answering your questions.

[Sidewindr]

The forum is also not the place to talk about your opinions on everything under the sun. At last look the forum was called "The Australian LS1 and Holden Forums" not "The Listen to Dane's thoughts on Cigarette Butt's impact on the environment"

The latter is an interesting concept but has nothing to do with or any place on the forum.

As for happy birthday posts ... do the sums ... 1000 users .. say 20 posts per users happy b'day thread .. that's 20,000 posts a year in happy birthday messages ... is it really that necessary ?

[Devil CV8]

I think it has been said best over at whirlpool when similar questions have been raised about mods deleting posts,etc..

"This is Simon's forum, he sets the rules and the mods apply those rules. If you don't like it you are free to start your own forum where you set the rules"
Of course the name needs changing but that sentiment applies in most places. People set the rules and they are to be followed. if you break the rules you will have to face the consequences..

[Dane]

Originally posted by Sidewindr
The forum is also not the place to talk about your opinions on everything under the sun. At last look the forum was called "The Australian LS1 and Holden Forums" not "The Listen to Dane's thoughts on Cigarette Butt's impact on the environment"

The latter is an interesting concept but has nothing to do with or any place on the forum.

As for happy birthday posts ... do the sums ... 1000 users .. say 20 posts per users happy b'day thread .. that's 20,000 posts a year in happy birthday messages ... is it really that necessary ?

...... I agree with the Birthdays etc etc, never disagreed with that. So you think as a motoring forum a discussion on driver behavious with smoking is not worth the space on the server. Well as said before.... Thats your opinion. I don't see this topic as a so called crap issue. Anyway, the tread was in good behaviour, no insults justa topic a moderator didn't like..... OK. Talk about who's making this personal.

As for XLR8_V8 comments that you sidey own the forum, thus you can stipulate the exact terms you wish. Sorry, gotta disagree .

Yes a lot of effort was and is put into maintaining the forum. I thank you all and especialy Sidey for that fact.

But when a forum goes to its users and askes and raises money to continue the forum, the members should have a say as to operation of the forum. This say could be as simple as a PM or a thread like this.

Sidey you do an excellent and unrewarding job just on the maintance side, but I have offered as I would expect others have offered to assist with this administration aspect.

I say again .... How can I assist further Sidey? :D

Yerr I have to "live with it". More so cause this is the forum enviornment I enjoy with most forumers. But maybe if you didn't want feeback from the forumers (like myself), you could have just posted up a closed tread, said ya peice and leave it at that ah.

Hope you guys who operate as moderators are prepared to work the playing rules just like all other forumers. :) I say this cause in the last few days an inconsitancy is there.

Well sorry if I've got up anyone's noise. Please bear in mind I'm just sharing an opinion that contradicts with yours. Doesn't cause any issue with me as to further participation in this forum.

Hope thats both ways dubbies.



:cheers:

[Devil CV8]

Dane,,, just from where I am sitting you will always get some inconsistancies due to the fact there are more than 1 mod and while each knows the rules, how they are interpretated can vary.

One suggestion which while it will increase the mods work slightly is rather than deleting a post so it disappears, edit out the comments and leave a 1 or 2 word reason... Pop over to whirlpool.net.au to see what I mean...

[BT1]

I just noticed that my post count has gone down. Not that I care tremendously or anything, but is this because some of my posts have been deleted?

[Fabio's CV8]

Originally posted by BT1
I just noticed that my post count has gone down. Not that I care tremendously or anything, but is this because some of my posts have been deleted?

Most likely.

Read first post.

[BRUTE]

I've just made this into a sticky dont want it being deleted by mistake.

[Tre-Cool]

I'm curious as to what the specs are for the computer hosting these forums, From the sounds of it some of the members in this forum work in the I.T sector so some of us could either provide computer hardware or people could make donations, if it is needed that it is.

I've only been a member for less than a week now and most of the time i ussually just surf around the forum and read everyone's comments and if someone says something i agree with I will not post saying ( yeah I agree with you ******) probably cos I'm too slack to type it out.

I actually came here from a link from OCAU forums, as I have mentioned in the forum I will be getting myself a new vy ss ute in november.

Anyway Thanks for a great forum as I'm learning alot and having a laugh.

Regards,

David

[V8BRUTE]

I have a question to the "Mods that be", below are a couple of quotes stated earlier in this post that I find a bit contradictory:

- Conversational posts (PM's can be used)
- The more usless posts we get here the more traffic and space it generates and as a result things get slower for everyone.

How would sending PM's for "Conversational posts" equate to less server space being used than having the actual the text appear in a thread, OK the argument of traffic may have some merit but wouldn't the nature of having everyone sending PM's offset this traffic saving :confused:

After reading all the posts in this thread I agree with most of what you want to achieve in "policing" the threads but a few other guys here also have good points in that we may lose some of the character that has made this place, lets hope all the mods interpret the rules the same and we have some consistency from here on in :smoke:

BTW, in regards to post whores, who is the esteemed one in number one spot :hide: See you all back in a weeks time fellas :D

[Fabio's CV8]

lol Rohan!

All us Moderators discussed this before publishing it to general users.

Probably wasn't the best idea for me to start the topic but thats just the way it happened! :p

And yes of course we have to stick the the guidelines!
We are no different and have to set a good example! :)

[GOKU]

I agree with rohan and a few other forumers here. This forum is getting too uptight with the way it operates. Deleting few threads which is not going against the guidelines. Even if its irrelevant to be there, still its a good reading material..coz hey this is a public forum and we should have our own freedom of speech. Its beginning to be like sought of a prison here where every word is filtered. I also feels its unethical for a thread to be deleted and not being informed. I am a member of other forums and the mods do inform the one who started the thread that their thread is being taken out for review and stuffs. Now thats the way it should be and not just take the threads out just like that. This is going to affect or create an impact on some of the forumers here and i am sure they know and feel the same way as i do.


Haz

[Doug]

Personally I think this is Jason's forum and he can do with it what he wants. He does not owe the users anything, and doesn't have to be diplomatic, democratic or fair. From the number of users and posts, you can see he got things right in the set up of it.

I can understand the reason behind many of the new rules. I appreciate the balancing act Jason and those he has delegated powers to are trying to play between freedom of posts and a smooth running forum. I can even understand their frustrations at being sniped at.

Having said all this - I am finding myself frowning at the some of the judgement calls and antics, and suspect this forum isn't quite as good as it used to be. I hope this is the only price we pay for getting larger. If things got worse, I imagine I won't be the only one who simply goes elsewhere. Here's hoping the owners and moderators get their balancing act right.

:cheers:

[Devil CV8]

Elmis, continuing on from what you wrote.
Over at another forum I visit, whenever someone starts going on about freedom of speech, or being a public forum someone always makes the following comment:
"This is xxxxxs forum and if you don't like the way things are run, you are free to start your own"

On the other foot, if the changes that are made make people unhappy, and they leave then the atmosphere of the forum will change, so the mods and powers that be have to perform a juggling act, between the workload they have and what people want.
The forum could be moderated where every post is approved, but that would cause so much work for the mods and change the character of the forum so much it would be pointless being here. Everyone knows the rules by now, and if you step over the line you soon know about it (me included).
The mods do a great job, inconsistancies will always happen, under trying circumstances. There is a limit to how many mods you can have on a forum and still keep some semblance of order.

Cheers:cheers:

[Scud]

Firstly, I'll put my flamesuit on. :flame:

I agree with the reasoning behind the "new" moderation guidelines. I also disagree with some of the reasoning behind the deletion of some of the threads, but thats my opinion.

However, I do get sick of the "Me Too" and "Yeah I agree" replies (which I must say :flame: usually comes from a few regulars who have unusually high post counts :p ), those are un-necessary, as is repeating what the person above you said :idea: in a follow on reply.

Guys, if you want conversation, join the IRC channel.

OK, :flame: off.

:thumbsup:

[VX2VESS]

Originally posted by Scud
Firstly, I'll put my flamesuit on. :flame:

I agree with the reasoning behind the "new" moderation guidelines. I also disagree with some of the reasoning behind the deletion of some of the threads, but thats my opinion.

However, I do get sick of the "Me Too" and "Yeah I agree" replies (which I must say :flame: usually comes from a few regulars who have unusually high post counts :p ), those are un-necessary, as is repeating what the person above you said :idea: in a follow on reply.

Guys, if you want conversation, join the IRC channel.

OK, :flame: off.

:thumbsup:

i don't agree.

say i asked a question then someone says yes it blah blah.

if another 20 guys say yeah thats right i would be more inclined to believe it than just one response.

[HRT 8]

Originally posted by Elmis

Having said all this - I am finding myself frowning at the some of the judgement calls and antics, and suspect this forum isn't quite as good as it used to be. I hope this is the only price we pay for getting larger. If things got worse, I imagine I won't be the only one who simply goes elsewhere. Here's hoping the owners and moderators get their balancing act right.

:cheers:
Guys let me say that it is not only the readers and members of this forum that dont agree. We as mods have "discussions" about the handling of threads by other mods. We are not saying they are wrong, as everbody interprets the guidlines differently, we are simply putting our opinions across in regards to the action the mod has taken. Sometimes we re-instate the post or thread sometimes we don't.

One only has to spend a day or so off line to appreciate the amount of crap that is being posted. When I refer to crap I mean non related posts and posts/threads already discussed. As earlier stated, look at the forum name. It's not about mobile phones and barbie dolls. It's a motoring enthusiasts forum. Keep that in mind when posting new and hopefully related topics. If you want to post barbie doll stuff then go to the barbie doll forum, (Fabian has the url if you want it).

I typically spend an hour every day trying to sort out what is usefull info and what is crap. It used to be that one could get online every day and read new and relevant info that was interesting. Now since the number of members has increased so dramatically and I guess due to the fat that the LS1 is not "new news" anymore, most readers that have been around here for a while have discussed most of the issues about the LS1. That leaves a lot of the newer members in the dark as they are not as familiar with problems and modifications associated with LS1's.

The best feature for a newbie is the Search Function. It should be his/her best friend for at least the first week.
Once that resource has been utilised, then ask questions. Lets face it we are here because we want to learn. There is a wealth of info in the search archives, lets use it.