Electronic rust protection

[SS_Fury]

Do these really work? I realise the paint protection is a bit of a gimmick, but what about these electronic devices? Are they worth their money or just another gimmick?

[Invasionss]

SS Fury,

I had one of these fitted brand new when i got my car & no rust whatsoever. My utes a 02 model & after 4 years of living next to the coast, nothing. I was told because i live in a suburb along the coast, it would be a smart move to have one fitted.

But as i said above, no rust. It's doing it's job on mine...

Justin

[planetdavo]

They can't be any worse than Peter Brocks "ENERGY POLARISER" for your car, aligning those wee molecules of metal so they don't rust........

[VooDoo]

Ive seen 4x4's with these fitted and they seem to work very well.

[RED R8]

I used to be a car care bitch for Holden and Subaru and sold the electronic rust proofing on all accounts it worked well.

[VX2VESS]

where do you get them, i was trying to find them a few years back could find who sold them

[RED R8]

Three brands I know of were Cat ,Ming and defense pack.or check Cathodic rust protection some tint a car stores etc sell them.

[gavinx8]

Coupler Tec 1800 068 088.
I have one for the x8 but havn't had the time to fit it.cost me $395 show special
Several mine sites use them so they can't be that bad.

[mdafter]

As a corrosion specialist i have to tell you all these are the biggest load of rubbish ever, cathodic protection does not and will never apply to a car, unless you happen to park it submerged in an electrolyte, will prob ruin your interior though:lmao:

[Speedy Gonzales]

I had one of these fitted and wash the car every time it comes out of the shed, no rust whatsoever.

[seldo]

SS Fury,

I had one of these fitted brand new when i got my car & no rust whatsoever. My utes a 02 model & after 4 years of living next to the coast, nothing. I was told because i live in a suburb along the coast, it would be a smart move to have one fitted.

But as i said above, no rust. It's doing it's job on mine...

Justin
Reminds me of the story about the bloke sprinkling confetti along the railway station...When asked why he was he was doing it, he said "it was to keep the pink elephants away.."
"But there aren't any pink elephants here...."
"See!... It's damned effective isn't it..."
..;)

[SS_Fury]

i had the car 'sprayed' when it was new but it spends its life outside and will continue to do so for another few years whilst our house is built...was lookin for an effective option..it gets washed every week but i dont think thats gonna help

[VX2VESS]

As a corrosion specialist i have to tell you all these are the biggest load of rubbish ever, cathodic protection does not and will never apply to a car, unless you happen to park it submerged in an electrolyte, will prob ruin your interior though:lmao:

when it rains?

i thought the electronic ones worked by a reverse static charge that repelled dust etc which is a cause of rust. i was after it for the dust repelling factor, as mine always attracts dust. really does attract it, you know when you can see dust in a beam of sunlight, i can see the dust float down near the car and it does it does a u turn towards the car sides and sticks. always does, get dusty in a day after a wash... so i'm after repelling dust....please....to have a clean car for more than a day

[planetdavo]

EVERYONE who is saying they are great on here seems to have a pretty late model car, and since new cars are "dipped" for extended protection from the factory....
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Wonder how one of these AND a "polariser" would work together?

[pah]

An obvious anti-rust precaution is to get the car in out of the weather (sun and rain). The sun causes window rubbers to perish and that makes it easier for water to enter door innards. I know - this is not rocket science, but how often do you see the garage packed full of junk and the car out in the elements.

I used to work with an ex panel beater who had an opinion on more than a few things. He spoke in favour of pumping fish oil into door cavities, basing his logic on the fact that nobody's ever seen a rusty fish.

Most new cars receive reasonable anti-rust treatments at the factory. If a garaged car gives 15 - 20 years of rust free motoring, what more do you want? Who envisages keeping their current ride for the next 10 years? If V8 resale values continue to drop, maybe more than a few of us??



PAH

[moose]

As a corrosion specialist i have to tell you all these are the biggest load of rubbish ever, cathodic protection does not and will never apply to a car, unless you happen to park it submerged in an electrolyte, will prob ruin your interior though:lmao:

:bounce: But they come with a flashing light so you can watch it not rusting!:lmao:

[CarlFST60L]

Ummm, this sounds like the biggest scam....

If you are serious about buying this magic postion, i would suggest when you buy it, get two sheets of steel, one with this stupid thing, and one without, poor water with salt on it on both sheets every day.... You will have your answer in about a week...

If these things working, the builing and construction game would use them on steel structures,like, the habour bridge...

[EvillBill]

did a bit on this when studying meatllurgy...

Most rust or corrosion protection is due to an effect known as passivation. This means that an oxide or other compound forms on the surface of the metal that is insoluble. Aluminium and zinc, copper and bronze survive in the atmosphere for this very reason. Bluing, andodizing and pickeling are all forms of passivation. In the case of steel, you can render the oxide insoluble by dipping it in phosphoric acid, which forms an isoluble metalophosphate.

Steel is made up of mainly iron and carbon, with some elements added for strength and fatigue resistance. When a drop of water falls onto a piece of steel, it forms a mini-cell the width of the water droplet. The reaction takes place within the drop, therefore electro-galvanic protection can't help.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/chemical/imgche/corrosion.gif

[SS_Fury]

bugga......

[VT LS1]

They will not work on bare steel, it still needs a coating, try out www.erps.com.au. I have had it on my patrol for 5 years, we spend about 5 weeks a year driving on the beach, no rust at all. That being said about bare steel, my now 2 year old rotors still dont have surface rust around the outside edge, considering the amount of beach driving we do, I am impressed
You will find that vehicles from coal mines now have them fitted, they we taking the vehicles to wreckers after 2-3 years, now they are tradable.

[TotalDriver]

They will not work on bare steel, it still needs a coating, try out www.erps.com.au. I have had it on my patrol for 5 years, we spend about 5 weeks a year driving on the beach, no rust at all. That being said about bare steel, my now 2 year old rotors still dont have surface rust around the outside edge, considering the amount of beach driving we do, I am impressed
You will find that vehicles from coal mines now have them fitted, they we taking the vehicles to wreckers after 2-3 years, now they are tradable.

Good post.

In fact, the ERPS units would be the only one's I would trust to work. Don't go for a cathodic system as the cathodes have to be immersed in an electrolyte for them to work.

I own a 4x4 Accessories store and we fit the ERPS units everyday. Never a rust claim in the some 1200 units WE have fitted over the past few years.

Make sure you have your system fitted by a professional as the correct placement of the Capacitive Couplers is the key to the whole thing working.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Mike
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[TotalDriver]

Ummm, this sounds like the biggest scam....

If you are serious about buying this magic postion, i would suggest when you buy it, get two sheets of steel, one with this stupid thing, and one without, poor water with salt on it on both sheets every day.... You will have your answer in about a week...

If these things working, the builing and construction game would use them on steel structures,like, the habour bridge...

Carrara Football Stadium up here on the Gold Coast use them for their Stands and Seating.

NO RUST!

Plenty of other structural applications have been successful in stopping rust.

Check out the ERPS website.

Cheers,

Mike

[happy1]

As a corrosion specialist i have to tell you all these are the biggest load of rubbish ever, cathodic protection does not and will never apply to a car, unless you happen to park it submerged in an electrolyte, will prob ruin your interior though:lmao:

Exactly correct! I also studied corrosion mechanisms as part of my university engineering degree. After that I have worked for ship construction industry and offshore equipment industry. All the electronic devices WILL NOT function on a car. Doesn't matter if you park it in the rain, or near the beach. It is still not wet enough to make any electronic 'protection' system work at all.

No, save your $$ and buy some wax-oil instead.
I have done enough panel beating on VE Commodore, BF Falcon, and SY Territory to know from inside out how these cars are NOT rust proofed at all from the factory. At least 50% of the panel joints are 'naked' inside, with rust already starting after a few months old vehicle.

Cheeers