OTRCAI's and legalities

[SS_Fury]

howdy, just wondering if otrcai's are legal on the street here in WA? I have a semi-open pod set-up and realise an 'open pod' is illegal (such as the k & n aircharger) but was wondering about the otrcai?
Im currently jousting with the misses to get one coupled with a maffless tune because the pod we have is yellow sticker material. She will give in if the otrcai isnt canary material. Please say it isnt. The pod works well, but ya know what the car mod bug bites like:nos: ...ya want more more more!

[OUTAtheBloo]

Mafless tune isnt legal either mate..

Dunno if anyones tried to go over the pits with an otr.

Dan

[SS_Fury]

true, but cai's sort of stand out a bit

[jaykay]

Why don't you ring the Department of Transport and ask them. They are the ones that will have to take your sticker off your car when you get one....

[OUTAtheBloo]

They do for sure, my aluminum one looks sweet :>

Get a nice result from them too !

I really dont think they would be legal, but thats my uneducated guess. But any mod not engineered, and passed by the authorities, couldnt be legal.

Do you have a modified exhaust ? Ive worried about whats legal, and yet i went and had a cam installed.

I wonder how many car enthusiasts have actually voided there rego and lnsurance, and lost alot of money in a court case ? does it happen, or are we all paranoid...

Its a gamble.

Dan

[SS_Fury]

true - but my whole argument for an otrcai and maffless tune to 'accept the otrcai' to the misses relies on an open pod being yellow sticker material, with the otrcai perfectly legal....on those grounds, im in mod city...oh well...i guess i could lie and say 'yes dear, they are perfectly legal, now hush while i lay some rubber'

[BlueVZSS]

Looks like you are sweet:

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/1913.asp

Website says:

"Structural cosmetic changes

No structural cosmetic change is allowed other than spoilers and bonnet scoops.


The fitting of front and rear spoilers either of fibreglass or sheet metal is acceptable, provided it is not likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to a person.

An air scoop fitted to the bonnet of a vehicle must not intrude into the line of sight. An air scoop must not have an unobstructed rearward facing opening (an incident such as the bursting of a radiator hose could result in the windscreen becoming completely obscured). The maximum air scoop protection should not exceed 60 mm"

If you can put an "Air Scoop" on, an OTRCAI is just a less obtrusive species of that and therefore must be legal.

[SS_Fury]

sexcellent, nice find!

[shrapnel]

Ok so if OTR CAI is legal on that basis, what about the induction noise (and/or emissions?) , on the basis of which the unboxed POD filter isn't legal? :confused:

[SiLENCE]

in vic unboxed pod filters are only illegal if they are the oiled type (such as the k&n aircharger).. crappy paper type filters are completely legal..

[vyssbeast]

are mafless tunes also illegal in victoria??

[vt350phantom]

Who really knows whats legal and whats not these days???? You never really can be 100% sure how insurance will go when crunch time comes if you need to make a claim. As for canarys, unless your driving like a crazy bastard its unlikely you will raise attention of the coppers.

When you mod your car you take a bit of a chance. I used to be paranoid, but hey if you're like I used to be you would end up driving a stocker, so one day I thought f*#k it, and my new motto is that I'll disclose everything to insurance and where they reject a mod, I either wont do it or move elsewhere.

By the way, for everyones info, I got a quote from Just Insurance 2day for my car, $474 a year inclusive of all mods and choice or repairer!! UNREAL!!!

[shrapnel]

By the way, for everyones info, I got a quote from Just Insurance 2day for my car, $474 a year inclusive of all mods and choice or repairer!! UNREAL!!!

That included the engine mods?? :love:

[BLACK 346]

Who really knows whats legal and whats not these days???? You never really can be 100% sure how insurance will go when crunch time comes if you need to make a claim. As for canarys, unless your driving like a crazy bastard its unlikely you will raise attention of the coppers.

When you mod your car you take a bit of a chance. I used to be paranoid, but hey if you're like I used to be you would end up driving a stocker, so one day I thought f*#k it, and my new motto is that I'll disclose everything to insurance and where they reject a mod, I either wont do it or move elsewhere.

By the way, for everyones info, I got a quote from Just Insurance 2day for my car, $474 a year inclusive of all mods and choice or repairer!! UNREAL!!!

Is that for agreed value?

[scotty]

I recall this being discussed some time.. maybe somewhere else.

My understanding is that a OTR could be legal if it included the maf, and used a paper filter.

Scotty

[vt350phantom]

Is that for agreed value?

Yeah mate, 20 grand for my VT exec which is more than I'd get if I tried to sell it in the current times of high petrol prices, plus the fact its almost 7 yrs old now.

I'm sure I could have got 25 if I wanted. Brendan Marsh is the man to call. I got my quote confirmed today, 474 bucks a year! WOOHOO

[Thunder]

Yeah mate, 20 grand for my VT exec which is more than I'd get if I tried to sell it in the current times of high petrol prices, plus the fact its almost 7 yrs old now.

I'm sure I could have got 25 if I wanted. Brendan Marsh is the man to call. I got my quote confirmed today, 474 bucks a year! WOOHOO

Have you got their details? Website etc?

Cheers
Greg

[vt350phantom]

Greg, website is www.justinsuranceservices.com.au

Brendan's e-mail is brendanm@eastwestinsurance.com.au

Cheers

Nigel

[KeenGolfer]

Greg, website is www.justinsuranceservices.com.au

Brendan's e-mail is brendanm@eastwestinsurance.com.au

Cheers

Nigel
Their PDS says they will not pay out if the car is "illegally modified". So really, regardless if you have told them about your mods, if they are not engineered, they don't have to pay out. And what the hell does not paying out if "the driver/rider or you commit any intentional or deliberate acts" mean ?

[OLS108]

Their PDS says they will not pay out if the car is "illegally modified". So really, regardless if you have told them about your mods, if they are not engineered, they don't have to pay out. And what the hell does not paying out if "the driver/rider or you commit any intentional or deliberate acts" mean ?
Just on that...
How much would it Cost to get your mods Engineered ??
i mean like for expamle My Bolt on Car.
OTR
Mafless
3.7's
2800 Stall
exhaust
Genies
cause if its like $50 then its worth it...
BTW checked out the Wagon in the SM commodores mag and its an Awesome Write up !

[KeenGolfer]

Thanks OLS108 :)

Depends on what state you're in. In the ACT an engineers certificate is around $800 for example and they do noise test, brake test, height check etc and list all mods on an engineers report which you then take to the transport authortity. Apparently it's really cheap in Qld, VooDoo got his done for under $100.

[Scud]

AFAIK the reason behind open pods being illegal is due to the Fire Hazard.

[vt350phantom]

Their PDS says they will not pay out if the car is "illegally modified". So really, regardless if you have told them about your mods, if they are not engineered, they don't have to pay out. And what the hell does not paying out if "the driver/rider or you commit any intentional or deliberate acts" mean ?

As I've said in a previous post, if you spend your life stressing about minor mods being illegal/legal, you would be driving a stocker

[KeenGolfer]

As I've said in a previous post, if you spend your life stressing about minor mods being illegal/legal, you would be driving a stocker

Mate, I don't stress about it, I drive a pretty modified VY SS. But I also make sure I'm covered if anything happens! That's just common sense.

I asked for a quote, and they quoted $850 odd with agreed value of $50k. Have to look into it further and clear up a few points with them.

[vt350phantom]

Yeah I notice from another post that you have an LS2 on the way for your car. Sounds good!

I try to follow the common sense approach too of course, however I have a feeling that even if a car has an engineers certificate, insurance may do their own assessment post-claim and find that, on their interpretation of the law, the car is illegal and perhaps decide not to pay anyway. I may be wrong here but it seems like a possibility.

I recall reading some years ago that in NSW if your car is modified such that it produces more than a 20% power, it is to be engineered! If this is correct all of our cars would be illegal???????

Its all pretty confusing IMO

[KeenGolfer]

vt350phantom, well it looks like I'll be changing from Shannons to the one you mentioned. Save me $1000 a year ($850 V $1850) with all the same features and $50k agreed value. Have talked with Brendan via email to clarify a few things, seems all good :)

[OLS108]

vt350phantom, well it looks like I'll be changing from Shannons to the one you mentioned. Save me $1000 a year ($850 V $1850) with all the same features and $50k agreed value. Have talked with Brendan via email to clarify a few things, seems all good :)
looks like i will be askign for a Quote as well:cool:

[vt350phantom]

vt350phantom, well it looks like I'll be changing from Shannons to the one you mentioned. Save me $1000 a year ($850 V $1850) with all the same features and $50k agreed value. Have talked with Brendan via email to clarify a few things, seems all good :)

Drewbytes, Sounds like a very good price for 50 g's worth of cover.

[team illucid]

Mafless tune isnt legal either mate..

Dunno if anyones tried to go over the pits with an otr.

Dan

Yep - took mine over the pits - exhaust, lowered and OTR - no problems at all - and that's in Canberra.

[SIG-054]

Just did a search..

Im defected at the moment for too low. Just installed an OTR and have a mafless tune.

Im going over to Regency park to get the full treatment wed morning and was wondering iff ill pass..

im sick of the cops pulling over the nice cars and what makes things worse its now $132 to get it cleared instead of $72.

[michaels1v8]

Can you put back in the stock airbox setup and just plug in the Maf?

I think it will still run fine even with the Maf plugged in.

[OLS108]

98QIK, told me past week that he was Defected going up north for OTR.
however its no going to stop me using mine.

Dave

[FITZY777]

Just did a search..

Im defected at the moment for too low. Just installed an OTR and have a mafless tune.

Im going over to Regency park to get the full treatment wed morning and was wondering iff ill pass..

im sick of the cops pulling over the nice cars and what makes things worse its now $132 to get it cleared instead of $72.

Let us know how you go.

Cheers

[SIG-054]

Visited Regency.. and failed.

They have no specs of HSV's. OTR is fine, Mafless tune isnt. Also didnt believe the GTS was mafless, so therefore wouldnt pass me.

Next time through i have to submit an Emission test report. :confused:

[S2VYSS]

Is the OTRCAI illegal in VIC?