Police hunt armed carjacker

[cev]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20267779-1702,00.html


"Police hunt armed carjacker

August 27, 2006 10:45am
Article from: AAP

A MAN has been treated for gunshot wounds following an attempted carjacking in south western Sydney.

The driver of a Subaru WRX, aged in his twenties, was approached by an unidentified armed driver of another vehicle at the intersection of the Hume Highway and The Boulevard at Yagoona at 8.40pm (AEST), police said.

When the man in the WRX managed to drive away, the offender allegedly fired shots at the WRX, hitting the man in the upper back and shoulder.

The WRX driver was taken to Liverpool Hospital in a stable condition, and has since been released.

Shortly after 11pm, police said officers at Bass Hill pursued a Ford Territory four-wheel drive believed to have been involved in the attempted carjacking, but lost sight of the vehicle.

The vehicle was later found on fire at Robertson Road, Bass Hill.

Police are urging anyone with information about the incident to contact them."

Now this is happening a LOT more now over the last couple of months and its getting worrying.

Just last week in Bankstown, a guy in broad daylight, 3pm, again with a WRX got jacked, the thief only drove couple of streets away b4 dumping it though.

For me, its all too close to home, but I expect in SOME of these parts, its what can be expected.

Just keep your doors locked people.

This is actually another one that happened last week with a woman and a baby in Leichhardt:

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/recent_media_unit_information?sq_content_src=aHR0c DovL2N1c3RvbXNjcmlwdHMucG9saWNlLm5zdy5nb3YuYXUvbmV 3cy9kZXRhaWxzX21lZGlhLnBocD9NZWRpYUlEPTc0NTc%3D

The other thing that intrigues me is that a lot of the time when I hear these news stories, a lot of the time, the police lose sight of the vehicle. Im not bagging them out but what do you think the reason is on losing them?

In this instance they lost sight of a territory. Now is it either it got away at high speeds or they lost it in backstreets?

I know its a very tough job but even as a standard commo/falcon should of caught it and if there local cops, they should know their back streets bcoz minutes later the car was found burnt not very far from where it was chased.

Again, dont take it the wrong way, the police are doing their job but is it the high speeds that makes them call a chase off or is it the police drivers lack of ability to drive a car at high speeds to call it off bcoz it seems like these criminials these days KNOW that if a chase reaches high speed, the cops will back away??

Opinions please...

[LSavvy]

These blokes will do anythinhg not to get caught and that may include someone inocent dying in a pursuit, I think they may be probably doing ram raids, ford teritory is a good car for smashing through doors, subaru for tight street chases and they probably got a van somewhere to stash an ATM.

These thugs are not afraid to poke a gun in your face or your wife/kids face demanding your car at a busy intersection in the middle of the day, as it may be harder and more time consuming to attempt to disarm alarm systems etc.

Always tell the Mrs to keep doors locked when driving.

I'm sure a teritory (maybe turbo) driven by a desperate driver can outrun rookie cops in a rodeo, you would thing being so close to bankstown airport that polair can be sent up in no time, but this costs money. I'm sure there would be a task force to deal with these crimes, lets hope they have results.

[aahsv]

The subaru guy was lucky the shooting wasnt fatal - what would you do? - try to escape and risk being shot or give them the car and claim insurance?
Also, if the cops don't come down hard on this stuff, do we need to start arming ourselves?

[A^K^T]

It's sad that anyone should need to or think they need to arm themselves to be safe in their own car , or in public for that matter . The world is over populated as it is and there is no need for vermin that do that sort of thing to be steeling good air from the rest of us .

If someone has a gun pointed at you and is close enough you have already lost , what sort of weapon would be faster than a trigger finger (if it's a real gun) .
Didn't little Johnny make us all safe with the two "buy backs" he put us through .
Of corse you could always just hit them with your car if you thought your life was in danger , a 1500-1800 kg car vs a 80-120 kg scum bag .

[aahsv]

I saw a news item which demonstrated an anti-carjacking device that can be fitted to your car in South Africa. On activation it blasts flames from underneath the car on both sides simultaneously which incinerates the hijacker next to the door. not sure if it would be permitted here.:flip2:

[joeboss]

Police lose the vehicle because of spineless bosses in the radio room who want to terminate every pursuit, even if the conditions are perfect and when a major crime has occurred.

You can blame the Civil Libs and the media on this one.

And alot of crims know the policy of police pursuits so all they do is do some of the things that will cause a pursuit to be terminated and then it is.

[HRT 8]

Also, if the cops don't come down hard on this stuff, do we need to start arming ourselves?
Since when do the cops hand out penalties? (Other than the summary type?)


Police lose the vehicle because of spineless bosses in the radio room who want to terminate every pursuit, even if the conditions are perfect and when a major crime has occurred.

You can blame the Civil Libs and the media on this one.

And alot of crims know the policy of police pursuits so all they do is do some of the things that will cause a pursuit to be terminated and then it is.

BINGO.

A shitbag only has to run a red light or drive momentatily on the wrong side of the road for a pursuit to be terminated. As far as I am concerned though, pursuits are just not worth the risk in most circumstances.

[VZSS250]

I was almost carjacked outside Optus Oval in Melbourne late last year. I hadn't locked the doors in my VZ SS and nearly paid dearly.

This guy of middle eastern apperance walked into the middle of the road and stopped my car. He then asked me if i could drive him a few blocks down but I said no. He just tried the door, found it unlocked and jumped into the passenger seat. I was a bit panicked and started driving erratically. He must have had second thoughts because when we came to a stop he got out but turned and said to me to lock my doors next time. Then he hit the roof of my car with a loud thud.

The success of immobilisers is forcing thieves to carjack so keep your doors locked people.

[gaz vyss]

An 18th street bad boy recently decided to jack a tip truck whilst in motion in the good old US of A. Truck driver thought to himself, stuff this (and there was a gun to his head) so he opened the door rather suddenly. Jacker fell off, and the driver saw him go under the rear wheels. Driver hit the skids and guess where the jacker ended up.... fair under the back wheels.

Pictures say a million words but im not going to post them as some of you are probably eating dinner.:)

[Capt.LS2]

I was almost carjacked outside Optus Oval in Melbourne late last year. I hadn't locked the doors in my VZ SS and nearly paid dearly.

This guy of middle eastern apperance walked into the middle of the road and stopped my car. He then asked me if i could drive him a few blocks down but I said no. He just tried the door, found it unlocked and jumped into the passenger seat. I was a bit panicked and started driving erratically. He must have had second thoughts because when we came to a stop he got out but turned and said to me to lock my doors next time. Then he hit the roof of my car with a loud thud.

The success of immobilisers is forcing thieves to carjack so keep your doors locked people.

I reckon you were very lucky to get away with that one mate.

It's a sad world we live in where we have to worry about these sorts of things happening to ourselves or our loved ones.

As was said above it's the snivel libertarians who are to blame. Tougher penalties for these sort of crimes are required ASAP. Will it happen anytime soon? Don't hold your breath.:(

[Holdendriver]

[QUOTE=ssute57l;707420]
These thugs are not afraid to poke a gun in your face or your wife/kids face demanding your car at a busy intersection in the middle of the day, as it may be harder and more time consuming to attempt to disarm alarm systems etc.

Always tell the Mrs to keep doors locked when driving.

QUOTE]

Dead right mate.
And to think I was complaining about the auto locking doors on the wifes car when we bought it. Now I wouldn't consider a car without it!
Cheers

[lease1]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20267779-1702,00.html



Now this is happening a LOT more now over the last couple of months and its getting worrying.

Just last week in Bankstown, a guy in broad daylight, 3pm, again with a WRX got jacked, the thief only drove couple of streets away b4 dumping it though.

For me, its all too close to home, but I expect in SOME of these parts, its what can be expected.

Just keep your doors locked people.

This is actually another one that happened last week with a woman and a baby in Leichhardt:

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/recent_media_unit_information?sq_content_src=aHR0c DovL2N1c3RvbXNjcmlwdHMucG9saWNlLm5zdy5nb3YuYXUvbmV 3cy9kZXRhaWxzX21lZGlhLnBocD9NZWRpYUlEPTc0NTc%3D

The other thing that intrigues me is that a lot of the time when I hear these news stories, a lot of the time, the police lose sight of the vehicle. Im not bagging them out but what do you think the reason is on losing them?

In this instance they lost sight of a territory. Now is it either it got away at high speeds or they lost it in backstreets?

I know its a very tough job but even as a standard commo/falcon should of caught it and if there local cops, they should know their back streets bcoz minutes later the car was found burnt not very far from where it was chased.

Again, dont take it the wrong way, the police are doing their job but is it the high speeds that makes them call a chase off or is it the police drivers lack of ability to drive a car at high speeds to call it off bcoz it seems like these criminials these days KNOW that if a chase reaches high speed, the cops will back away??

Opinions please...



The COPS lose them cause these guys go through red lights at 100 without even slowing down, and the COPS slow and make sure no traffic is coming before going through, so they dont kill anyone. Those precious seconds is all it takes to lose the car. No matter what car the baddies are driving, it aint that hard to get away in a built up area.

[Knight Phlier]

Insurance! It may be a cop out but it is simply not worth your car or more importantly your life even if you have a chance to get away. Remember that to a piece of scum, life is not as precious to them as it is to the rest of us normal people.

[Nutter]

I wouldnt give it to the scumbag, i'd give em a run....insurance probably wouldnt pay.

[cev]

These blokes will do anythinhg not to get caught and that may include someone inocent dying in a pursuit, I think they may be probably doing ram raids, ford teritory is a good car for smashing through doors, subaru for tight street chases and they probably got a van somewhere to stash an ATM.

I'm sure a teritory (maybe turbo) driven by a desperate driver can outrun rookie cops in a rodeo, you would thing being so close to bankstown airport that polair can be sent up in no time, but this costs money. I'm sure there would be a task force to deal with these crimes, lets hope they have results.

Well your spot on with the ATM raids thing. Over the past 6-9 months, ive heard a story about at least once a week happening anywhere from Bankstown to Manly but usually sounds like same kinda groups. A WRX as a possible decoy so the cops chase it 4 a while but prob wont catch it, the 4wd/jeep to smash the doors and then the van for the ATM. Thats from what I remember exactly what happened months ago around Botany. The police chased the WRX after a jeep crashed thru the doors of a shopping centre, jeep meets up with van to exchange people or any goods and then the jeep is found at a golf course dumped.

Polair is always out and about believe it or not. In the last 2-3 years, I would say that I see it or hear it circling the bankstown/auburn/rockdale area about 4-5 times a week mainly at night of course.


The COPS lose them cause these guys go through red lights at 100 without even slowing down, and the COPS slow and make sure no traffic is coming before going through, so they dont kill anyone. Those precious seconds is all it takes to lose the car. No matter what car the baddies are driving, it aint that hard to get away in a built up area.

I agree and this is prob the reason a lot of the time.

Now when the police chase someone, do they take down the plates first thing? Cause I know someone who has been chased twice for doing a little burnout or something and both times they got away but they were worried that the police would have the plates anyways and would come knocking on the door soon but never did. Karma of it all is that the first time it happened, he got pulled up by the cops at Cronulla for not parking properly and loitering near the beach!

Also another question, whatever happened to that 98/99 WRX the coppers had? They said it would help obviously in chases around the streets but it didnt seem to last long. Why not get one or two of them now? I remember back then seeing one of them, a marked one, drive along the hume hwy as it was mainly looking for street racers and illegal back street drags and it was 2 very young looking blokes who looked like they were having their fun fanging it along with a big grin.

[VSSII]

These crooks get caught more often after some investigation and surveillance than after a chase. This is for many reasons but the two biggies are: 1 - Traffic in metropolitan Sydney means police need to exercise great care no matter what the time of day. Many many drivers don't get out of their way when just going to urgent jobs with lights and sirens on. In a pursuit you are going quicker generally and are concentrating much more but you still have to account for the idiot drivers who don't look past the end of their bonnet.

2 - The current safe driver policy and jelly backed supervisors at VKG offer no support whatsoever. An experienced HWP driver who's vehicle is fitted with in car video should be allowed to exercise some discretion as to whether the pursuit should continue. But no. You can thank the left wing civil libertarians for this.

[xploit]

yeah i agree, look police have to do what is right, they are meant to serve the community, police arnt always what we think of, most of them are caring, nice just like you and me people always willing to help.. its just the few idiot up themselves arrogant out to get everyone attitude if it helps the states bank and gets them a shiner badge traffic police which changes our whole image on the police force which it shouldnt.. cops shouldnt be given a bad wrap but just like the rest of us theres a few who f*%k it up for everyone!