Teen clocked at 205 kmh [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

SV805

28-08-2006, 12:13 PM

Its a wonder in this day and age of the "Harold Scrubby" has a voice that the police were allowed to give chase at those speeds.

I don't for one minute think those speeds are acceptable on any public road but the fact that he is all of 19 with probably little experience only makes it more of a likely hood of killing himself and others.

Save it for the drag strip.

mido2k

28-08-2006, 12:27 PM

Save it for the drag strip.

Agreed... Im all for fast cars and racing, but on the strip or circuit, streets are built for driving not racing... and yeah every now and then u might give it a boot, but come on there is no need to go 200km/h + on a Highway

Also, being a father of a 6 month old, im more worried about other drivers than myself, and its people like this kid that make me worried, im sure others who are driving around with kids in the car agree with me.

ADSXR8

28-08-2006, 02:57 PM

I find it rather entertaining what was reported that the pursuit was stopped, but the police arrested him a short time later.

Truth be told, these pursuits are never stopped. Police only say this so on the occasions when there is an accident, they are in the clear.

But it's certainly silly stuff

jerrel

28-08-2006, 03:58 PM

at least im not that crazy.

zorro

28-08-2006, 04:51 PM

He is emotionally disturbed because his mother doesn't love him!!

He'll get off with a slapped wrist!

mike

AWESOME, next time I get pulled over I'll claim to be EMO.

Officer: oh lets forget about it this time, go home and have a cry.

flappist

28-08-2006, 04:58 PM

Interesting read.

The driver was clocked at 139 in a 100 zone in woop woop at night. I do not know anyone in the whole country who has gone that fast at night in the middle of the bush. I know all LS1 members never exceed any speed limit even in an emergency. (I am training for a political career)

A pursuit ensued that reached speeds of 205km/h. Who was doing 205km/h? The coppers? The driver? If the driver was doing 205 how fast was the coppers doing to catch him? It was night so they had to catch him to identify the vehicle.

I smell a bit of a beat up here.

I am not defending the driver as I was not there but doing 140km/h in the middle of nowhere when you are the only car on the road is not the same as doing 140km/h on the freeway during peak hour.
Also there has been the odd occaision where the truth has not got in the way of a good story, remember the 160km/h Datsun 120Y.....

If the driver had, if fact, done 200km/h while there were others on the road and/or passengers on board with his alleged level of experience (I would have no problem being in a car at 200km/k with Lowndes or Skaife when they were 19) he is a bit silly but then if he had done EXACTLY the same thing on the Barkly or Stuart he would have no stress at all now would he?

Makes a good news story though...speed...pursuit..P plater...terrorism...fuel prices...kiddie porn...guns...well it has some of the popular ingredients anyway.:soap:

LRL82

28-08-2006, 05:06 PM

It's these punks who make it hard for everyone else:vpo:

CarlFST60L

28-08-2006, 05:23 PM

205km/h in a pursuit is pretty serious, but about doing 140km/h in a 60km/h zone in the middle of now where with no people around, pesonally, i dont see the problem if you are a good driver and understand what the risks to you and others are... If the road is clear on either side, your in a good car, i would happly do it (if it was legal)...

In asia and eu, speeding is nothing to them, US$100 ticket and u r on your way, no points, no loss of licence, NOTHING... whats that say about Australia...? Bad roads? poorly educated about saftey? Dont think enough? our cars are no good? to many dum ppl on the road?

moose

28-08-2006, 05:27 PM

I find it rather entertaining what was reported that the pursuit was stopped, but the police arrested him a short time later.

They didn't say the pursuit was stopped, they said he was booked when he stopped.

A pursuit ensued that reached speeds of 205km/h. Who was doing 205km/h? The coppers? The driver? If the driver was doing 205 how fast was the coppers doing to catch him? It was night so they had to catch him to identify the vehicle.

I smell a bit of a beat up here.
So we just let them go? The cops have a tough job and they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
What about grandpa joe pulling out of the drive with his grandkids in the old farm ute?
If I can learn to slow down, anyone can.

remember the 160km/h Datsun 120Y.....

That was on a dodgy speed camera, totally different issue.

:soap:
Who's next up on the box??

LumpySS

28-08-2006, 05:31 PM

i bet 90% of ls1 owners in here have at some point had there car to 200kmh in there life time........people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones:bravo:

nirvana

28-08-2006, 06:32 PM

i bet 90% of ls1 owners in here have at some point had there car to 200kmh in there life time........people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones:bravo:

not with a copper hanging of your arse :confused:

flappist

28-08-2006, 06:37 PM

So we just let them go? The cops have a tough job and they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
What about grandpa joe pulling out of the drive with his grandkids in the old farm ute?

No you are right, you were obviously there and saw the whole thing and know first hand what happened.
I agree, the driver should be executed, his family invoiced for the cost of the chase and the bullet used to execute him. The car confiscated and burned in the middle of the town square as a warning to others...

What if the only reason he missed grampa joe was that he had already passed the driveway when the ute appeared? Speeding saves lives maybe? What if, what if, what if..........

If I can learn to slow down, anyone can.
Born again eh? You have seen the light? Follow in your footsteps to find salvation?

Not everything you read in the news is an actual true detail of events and the driver has not been convicted of anything yet has he?.

not with a copper hanging of your arse :confused:

Well not when YOU KNOW you have a copper hanging off your arse anyway.....:)

VRIIClubby

28-08-2006, 07:19 PM

flappist, I couldn't agree more with you, my partners folks live in whoop whoop nsw, the roads out that way are tops...driving from work on a friday night to there induces speeds "relative to the conditions"...CBF sitting on 80-100 for 6 hours when there is NO ONE on the road and conditions permit...

VOTE 1 for flappist..lol..

IH84DS

28-08-2006, 10:19 PM

The very reason we see flowers on trees and telegraph pole across the nations roads. When will they learn ? Personally I think they shouldn't have their licences suspended.. Just put them in crash test cars, maybe after that would open their eyes to the results of speeding.

ACT_Cross8

28-08-2006, 10:32 PM

at least im not that crazy.

I thought it might have been you.

jerrel

28-08-2006, 10:43 PM

haha, it didnt say the teen was driving a hsv tho.

BlueVZSS

28-08-2006, 10:59 PM

Interesting read.

The driver was clocked at 139 in a 100 zone in woop woop at night. I do not know anyone in the whole country who has gone that fast at night in the middle of the bush. I know all LS1 members never exceed any speed limit even in an emergency. (I am training for a political career)

A pursuit ensued that reached speeds of 205km/h. Who was doing 205km/h? The coppers? The driver? If the driver was doing 205 how fast was the coppers doing to catch him? It was night so they had to catch him to identify the vehicle.

I smell a bit of a beat up here.

I am not defending the driver as I was not there but doing 140km/h in the middle of nowhere when you are the only car on the road is not the same as doing 140km/h on the freeway during peak hour.
Also there has been the odd occaision where the truth has not got in the way of a good story.....

Makes a good news story though...speed...pursuit..P plater..........well it has some of the popular ingredients anyway.:soap:

Amongst the more intelligent comments that I have see on the forum.

ACT_Cross8

28-08-2006, 11:03 PM

haha, it didnt say the teen was driving a hsv tho.

Won't yours do 205?

VT LS1

28-08-2006, 11:14 PM

i bet 90% of ls1 owners in here have at some point had there car to 200kmh in there life time........:

It doesn't count, i had my eyes shut

VNV8

28-08-2006, 11:29 PM

i find it interesting that they didnt mention what type of car was involved. either theres a journo with a brain who realises it doesnt matter and almost every modern car is capable of those speeds (with a long enough road for those ford owners) OR (and this is more likely) the car wasnt a demon V8 or turbo or modified etc. etc. guess there wasnt another story there hey?

jerrel

28-08-2006, 11:38 PM

Won't yours do 205?

the speedo goes up to 250, so i hope it would make it to at least 205.

raYd3n

28-08-2006, 11:41 PM

ye but we r not in-experienced either:yup:

moose

29-08-2006, 09:19 AM

No you are right, you were obviously there and saw the whole thing and know first hand what happened

Yep. I was standing next to you.

Born again eh? You have seen the light? Follow in your footsteps to find salvation?

No. Just smart enough to know better. Besides I have a job where i can do those speeds legally anytime I like.:flip2:

the driver has not been convicted of anything yet has he?

Nope, but he has a date with the judge.

flappist

29-08-2006, 09:49 AM

Yep. I was standing next to you.
And I wasn't there, so I am not accepting anything as truth until proven.

No. Just smart enough to know better. Besides I have a job where i can do those speeds legally anytime I like.:flip2:

So does the pizza delivery boy in Tennent Creek....

Nope, but he has a date with the judge.

No, just a Magistrate. After that has occured and IF he is found guilty then maybe some of the comments are then valid.

JNP304

29-08-2006, 10:14 AM

Im not saying we should all speed around ect. But most accidents are not caused by speeding or speeding alone. Drunk and drug driving as well as fatigue and inexperience. The cases where speed was the only and single factor are quite mimimal. The NT has a much lower road toll than VIC or NSW. And Germany where limits are high and non existant, road toll speaks for itself.
One of the head engineers for safety at Mercedes-Benz was out here in the 1980`s doing R&D ect and said that a reason for our high toll on country roads was fatigue from people being bored from driving at 1950`s draconian speed limits of 110 on modern highways. Something to ponder.

moose

30-08-2006, 04:00 AM

So does the pizza delivery boy in Tennent Creek....

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

The issue I have is when people decide that they can be the exception to the rule, go speeding, hooning, whatever, then blame the cops when they get caught.

Only people who crash are the bad drivers right? Lets nab them before they crash. Everyone else gets a free run. See any flaws in this arguement?

The NT has a much lower road toll than VIC or NSW.

The NT road toll per capita in 2004 was more than three times the national average, 26.1 fatalities per 100,000 people compared with the Australian average of 9.5.

"Ban low performance drivers, not high performance cars" regularly pops up. Just because someone owns a high performance car, doesn't make them a high performance driver.

I have no desire to be Harold Scruby, nor do I care for popularity votes or politicians. I just wish common sense was more common.

mad.ed

30-08-2006, 06:39 AM

must,ve been a F**D.

SV805

30-08-2006, 07:08 AM

mad.ed

30-08-2006, 07:27 AM

JNP304

30-08-2006, 08:20 AM

The NT road toll per capita in 2004 was more than three times the national average, 26.1 fatalities per 100,000 people compared with the Australian average of 9.5..
Ok the figures I had were not of a per capita basis. Anyhow I wonder how many of those fatalities are directly linked to speeding?

jerzey21

30-08-2006, 08:12 PM

how about that speed demon larry perkins getting done at 68 in a 60 zone :burnout:

VSSII

31-08-2006, 12:23 AM

Ok the figures I had were not of a per capita basis. Anyhow I wonder how many of those fatalities are directly linked to speeding?

Don't you read the papers or watch the news? This was a very hot topic a few months ago. Nearly all of them were alcohol or speed related. To the point where the NT government is seriously considering doing away with the unrestricted limits. They don't want to but when people can't bloody well look after themselves what choice do they have.

One of the head engineers for safety at Mercedes-Benz was out here in the 1980`s doing R&D ect and said that a reason for our high toll on country roads was fatigue from people being bored from driving at 1950`s draconian speed limits of 110 on modern highways. Something to ponder.

Where did you get this information from? What was the engineers name? I worked for Benz for many years and can assure you our ageing vehicles and poor driving standards has much more to do with the number of fatalaties. Have you been to Germany and driven on the roads there? Mercedes Benz used to have employees who's job was to attend MVA's and examine the cars and injuries sustained. i.e. real time data. If you run out of petrol on an autobahn you get a very big talking to and a hefty ticket. Thats just for running out of juice! Most of the autobahns are also speed limited.Less than half are unrestricted.

`redoctober

31-08-2006, 12:43 AM

you'd have to be f*%ked in the head to be caught, let alone DO these types of things..

people amaze me..

JNP304

31-08-2006, 08:41 AM

Well looks like you have tried to totally cook me but I do have a name and even a link for the Benz engineer. Dr Ingo Kallina was the Mercedes Benz engineer involved in the study on speed, not just an engineer he was the head of design and safety.(VSS11 suprised you guys didnt hang out seeing you know so much and worked there too) Even so Im not supporting what this clown did at 205 km. Just saying that out in the bush surely there cant be too much wrong with doing 20/30k over if your out in the sticks. Still think speed alone is not to blame for the road toll. In victoria 1 in 4 of fatalities the driver is over .05 BAC now this is a concern. (info source-TAC, Vic Police 28/08/2006) Not bush barry sitting on 139 in the bush.

http://www.sdt.com.au/SPEEDTHEFACTS.htm
Interesting read here on speed involvement in accidents. Not too sure of its factual content. Still its a different perspective.

VSSII

31-08-2006, 12:11 PM

No mate I don't want to "totally cook" anyone. I just think it's all too easy to post unsubstantiated comments on forums which everyone will then take as gospel so I like to ask where the info's from. And you were nice enough to provide a link. And the NT speed comment did catch my eye because it was a hot topic recently.

I had a very quick scan of the above attachment (I try not to live in front of the computer!) and one paragraph caught my eye probably because it was in red!

"As such speed variance and not average travel speed influences the level of crash involvement. If all the traffic was flowing at 140-150 km/h the risk of a crash would be alot less than the traffic flowing at 105 km/h with several drivers weaving through the traffic at 140 km/h"

Our traffic legislation permits speed restricted learners and provisional licence holders to drive on the freeways. For this reason alone raising the limits could introduce a few dramas.

The author also categorises drivers into 2 parties, those who have no idea and responsible drivers. I would argue in Metropolitan Sydney we have more of the latter! As I've mentioned before, if you are visiting Australia on any kind of visa (and it could be a 10 year visa) you do not need to obtain a NSW drivers licence as long as you have a foriegn licence and an english translation. I'd love to see an increased speed limit on many arterial roads and I don't fall for the "every kmh over is a killer" rubbish from the RTA, but I feel so much needs to be done before its introduced.

moose

31-08-2006, 04:32 PM

If all the traffic was flowing at 140-150 km/h the risk of a crash would be alot less than the traffic flowing at 105 km/h with several drivers weaving through the traffic at 140 km/h"

Imagine Harold Scruby if they tried to get that one in! :mad: Even if we did have the roads and infrastructure for it, he'd go crazy.
Nice to think about though.:idea:

flappist

31-08-2006, 05:17 PM

The paper where we are stated that he was driving a Holden. "Can't believe the media didn't get on this band wagon".

The other thing it did say was that there was traffic around and that he was in and out of traffic on the hiway. If this is the case there is no excuse.

Flappist ?

This is my point exactly. We have several conflicting media reports that seem to be a bit indestinct on many of the points.
Many here have immediately jumped on the "bad doggy" bandwagon. I prefer to wait and see what actually happened, that is what evidence is offered in court and whether there is a penalty applied.

If he was doing 205 weaving through traffic then he has done a silly and dangerous thing and will regret it.
If, on the other hand, he was doing 140 and had a good run i.e. no traffic in his road except on passing lanes or long straights and the coppers were doing 205 weaving in and out of traffic to catch him well that is another story isn't it.

The media tend to "modify" any story they get hold of to make it more sensational.

THE GOLDEN RULE OF MEDIA.

The job of a journalist is to create profit for their employer (tv/radio/newspaper) NOT to report the truth. The more people that watch/listen/read the more profit form advertising so ANY method of getting more users is fair game......

SandmanUte

31-08-2006, 10:28 PM

I agree with getting rid of archaic speed limits out in the country.
They where made when cars had drum brakes, crap suspension and handling.
I live in western Qld and do a lot of travelling. Theres nothing worse than cruising along at 100ks in a good car that is capable of cruising at a good speed safely, travelling for hrs on almost dead straight roads with little to no traffic.
In 30 yrs of driving and probably over 2 million k's I've only had 3 accidents. 2 involved animals on the road at night. Not speeding!! But the worst was being bored outta my brain driving at 100k's and going to sleep. Just missed a large tree which would've certainly been game over, and hit a equally large log in the grass. Got a broken ankle when the front wheel hit the floor as the front diff got torn out(Nissan Patrol). Almost wrote it off without putting a dent in it, just trashed everything underneath.
I've never been asleep when I've been travelling fast.
There is a lot of difference between driving fast and driving stupid.
I believe the better driver training would go a lot further to reducing the road toll than bullshit speed limits. But then the govt would lose there big revenue raising.
Just because someone knows how far to indicate from a corner etc and can manage to drive around the block and park, they get a licence. then they can buy whatever car they like.
Drivers should have to have advanced driver training before they graduate from P plates and while on P plates have provisions on what cars they can drive. Teach them what it feels like and how to handle a car when it slides around etc. Then they won't have a crash course when it's an emergency!!!
Also to learn how quickly and badly things can happen at high speed. Having fun cruzin down the road at 160 can turn into a nightmare in milliseconds when something goes wrong.

moose

01-09-2006, 10:10 AM

There is a lot of difference between driving fast and driving stupid.
The only trouble is if you are the only one driving fast/smart/ whatever you like to call it, and everybody else is driving like they are out to get you, then.....

Having fun cruzin down the road at 160 can turn into a nightmare in milliseconds when something goes wrong.
unfortunately.