VE Discussion / HSV Variants - PART 4

[Ryzz]

Continued from Here (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=60196)

[`redoctober]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/grange2.jpg

just throwing around ideas for the new grange, anyone else reckon something like that could be the next thing? nothing too drastic but much more aggressive.

anybody have any ideas as to what the new grange will include (visually) ?

[holdennutta]

Jesus tapdancing christ that looks AWESOME!!!

[spank]

i dont think you are to far off there, probably just different wheels and bit less aggresive on the sides of the front bar:wave:

[jerrel]

it will have the E guard on the fender tho.

[dark]

At an opening today was told that HSV will bring out the GTS-R as the high performance option, more work is being done. I asked what power increase would be and the representative just said way above the standard GTS but also much more expensive. He said HSV have now the platform and technology to make the ultimate power machine.

[INASNT]

Saw the 307 GTS in person today at holden dealer in dandenong when I went to sign my SS order.

Dealer wouldnt give me a test drive tho :doh:

[Pickles]

From what I've heard & seen, reaction to the "E Series" HSV range has been overwhelmingly positive. The only "wishes" that I've heard, are that a bit more noise would be nice, & that GTS stands for performance, so therefore should have more power than others in the range. An HSV sales manager I spoke to, agreed with the GTS issue, and I reckon a more powerful engine is in the pipeline, but I've no idea when it will happen, however I'm confident that someone on this forum, with his ear to the ground, will eventually find out!
Cheers, Pickles.

[`redoctober]

At an opening today was told that HSV will bring out the GTS-R as the high performance option, more work is being done. I asked what power increase would be and the representative just said way above the standard GTS but also much more expensive. He said HSV have now the platform and technology to make the ultimate power machine.
One word- LS7.

[HSVMAN]

From what I've heard & seen, reaction to the "E Series" HSV range has been overwhelmingly positive. The only "wishes" that I've heard, are that a bit more noise would be nice, & that GTS stands for performance, so therefore should have more power than others in the range. An HSV sales manager I spoke to, agreed with the GTS issue, and I reckon a more powerful engine is in the pipeline, but I've no idea when it will happen, however I'm confident that someone on this forum, with his ear to the ground, will eventually find out!
Cheers, Pickles.

As metioned on this page there is a GTS-R coming. Lots more power. More $ to match. Dont know anything else but it is going to happen. Some time next year I am guessing :D

[NickS]

As metioned on this page there is a GTS-R coming. Lots more power. More $ to match. Dont know anything else but it is going to happen. Some time next year I am guessing :D
How I would love one of these ... if it happens. But my GTS is for my wife to drive, I'll get the LS2 edit when it's available, otherwise, whats the point of anything more ... it's a pretty spectacular package as it is.

[Snapper]

On HSV's website within the interior section of the GTS it states "2 seater style rear section".

Please tell me this isn't the same as the Munaro. I have 3 kids :doh: .

Can anyone confirm you can actually have 3 in the back?

[NickS]

On HSV's website within the interior section of the GTS it states "2 seater style rear section".

Please tell me this isn't the same as the Munaro. I have 3 kids :doh: .

Can anyone confirm you can actually have 3 in the back?
I didn't know that ... lucky I only have 2 kids :p Has anyone looked at the back seat yet ???

[jaykay]

One word- LS7.
In a hatch :nyuk:

[Snapper]

Thanks Nick, doesn't help me though if it is correct.

[GTS454]

There is 3 seats in the back of the GTS, just that the middle seat is bolstered up so the left and right seat are given more support on that side of the seat.

Goto the HSV configurator and you'll see a pic of the backseat on the interior selection page.:deal:

[Ghosn]

On HSV's website within the interior section of the GTS it states "2 seater style rear section".

Please tell me this isn't the same as the Munaro. I have 3 kids :doh: .

Can anyone confirm you can actually have 3 in the back?

It's shaped as two bucket seats but is still shaped to fit a 3rd person in the middle. Its not like the monaro which is built for only 2 rear passengers. 3 in the back is fine.

[HRT Stroker]

I saw a GTS at the Adelaide Show today and they look soooo much better in the flesh.

Even the humble Holden SS-V is a stunning peice of kit.

Unless fuel prices keep rising the VE should do great, its a magnificent looking motor vehicle, my favourite since the VT series....

WELL DONE HSV AND GMH!:love: :love:

[SV805]

Just a quick question on the Senator. Does anyone like the Black part on the bottom sills ?????

I know alot of people have said they don't like it so got me thinking that when HSV design people decided to do that do they consult anyone or do they just decide hey that will look the goods.

I may be wrong and there may be people that liek it hence the question....

[XLR8 V8]

I'll be getting lots of pics at the VE HSV night at Zupps tomorrow - inside outside, upside down, closeups, engine bay, interior ... might see if they'll let me bring it home so I can take my time getting the right shots? :lol:

[Carby650]

. might see if they'll let me bring it home so I can take my time getting the right shots? :lol:

All the best with your request. I'm sure it will be given due consideration. :p

[korrupt]

The latest edition of MOTOR mag has an article on the new E-Series. They have an Ignition coloured GTS on the cover and in the article, which looks pretty nice. They also drive the mule Senator that was in Wheels as well. No performance figures, but they seem confident it will "crack the magic sub-five second barrier". The more I see of the E-Series, they more I like them...

[Senator05]

Re: Does anyone like the new Senator ?, in particular the plastic (not so fantastic around the bottom), mark me down as a big NO !!

I would have bought a VZ Senator except for the transmission options (i.e. none) and have been waiting for VE. What a disappointment the styling is. As a previous multiple Audi owner, I think I am the target audience for HSV with Senator, and they've missed the mark by a mile. Plain Plain Plain...no style at all. Luckily for HSV, I'm still considering a GTS instead. I guess the good thing for those that like the extra-understated styling of Senator, there'll be a lot less wait for one than for GTS.

[BlownVR]

Re: Does anyone like the new Senator ?, in particular the plastic (not so fantastic around the bottom), mark me down as a big NO !!

I would have bought a VZ Senator except for the transmission options (i.e. none) and have been waiting for VE. What a disappointment the styling is. As a previous multiple Audi owner, I think I am the target audience for HSV with Senator, and they've missed the mark by a mile. Plain Plain Plain...no style at all. Luckily for HSV, I'm still considering a GTS instead. I guess the good thing for those that like the extra-understated styling of Senator, there'll be a lot less wait for one than for GTS.
I much prefer the front end styling of the Senator to that of the GTS/R8. Not so sure about the grey strip around the bottom, probably depends on the colour of the car. Would like to see a Senator in Evoke where there would not be a strong contrast with the bottom strip. The thing I definitely don't like about the Senator is the rear styling between the exhausts, much prefer the diffuser style of the GTS/R8.

[`redoctober]

The latest edition of MOTOR mag has an article on the new E-Series. They have an Ignition coloured GTS on the cover and in the article, which looks pretty nice. They also drive the mule Senator that was in Wheels as well. No performance figures, but they seem confident it will "crack the magic sub-five second barrier". The more I see of the E-Series, they more I like them...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_Full.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series_Big.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series_08.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series_05.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series_04.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series_02.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/hsveseries/HSV_E_Series2_03.jpg



I scanned the pics and stitched up the joins for everyone. :)

I reckon in the side pic, the front of it looks like a modena for some reason.

[korrupt]

Nice work, redoctober

[strife]

January 2000 no one takes care of the little details...stupid

Im not sure if Im used to the vent of the vz etc but I think the vent on the hsv is two low and seems to have a space where something should go.

still havent seen one in real life so reserve judgement hopefully they dont throw the vent on a grange

[`redoctober]

Nice work, redoctober
No problems, got the mag today, was excited to finally see larger pics of the HSV, not the shitty ones on the website :lol:

PS- The actual pictures I've posted are much larger, but photobucket resizes them.

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

As a previous tiger clubby owner, that GTS looks hot in ignition!

have ordered a red one so hope it looks as good!

[Guzzles]

Sure it is Ignition? It doesn't look like the pics of ignition ss's. I'd say it's Fusion as that is also an option on the VE HSV. Could be the lighting though.

[vyssbeast]

Re: Does anyone like the new Senator ?, in particular the plastic (not so fantastic around the bottom), mark me down as a big NO !!

I would have bought a VZ Senator except for the transmission options (i.e. none) and have been waiting for VE. What a disappointment the styling is. As a previous multiple Audi owner, I think I am the target audience for HSV with Senator, and they've missed the mark by a mile. Plain Plain Plain...no style at all. Luckily for HSV, I'm still considering a GTS instead. I guess the good thing for those that like the extra-understated styling of Senator, there'll be a lot less wait for one than for GTS.

Judging by what you are after, maybe you should hold out for the grange. it is abit bigger/heavier but might be what you want looks wise and im sure it'll still be fairly quick!! have a look at the chop on page1 of this thread might give you abit of an idea of what it MIGHT look like

[Ghosn]

Sure it is Ignition? It doesn't look like the pics of ignition ss's. I'd say it's Fusion as that is also an option on the VE HSV. Could be the lighting though.

I would say you are right. I was wondering why the color looked OK as I hate ignition :)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

DOES, any one know the ride hight of the ve gts, and the ssv, are they lower then vz , how would lowering the gts with MRC efect the suspention set up ?

[VLturbo3.0]

DOES, any one know the ride hight of the ve gts, and the ssv, are they lower then vz , how would lowering the gts with MRC efect the suspention set up ?
the HSVs from factory are only ~102mm off the ground. So lowering them at all will make them defectable. I'm not sure about the MRC side of things though...

[pepepepe]

VE GTS LS7... june july next year :diddy:

[NickS]

VE GTS LS7... june july next year :diddy:
IF the LS7 happens it will be a GTS-R, not a GTS. And it won't be June next year, 2008 at the earliest ... this has been covered about a million times.

[jaykay]

Just spoke with my friendly Holden dealer and they have just got in a R8 Clubbie A6 in Ignition colour. He had a little drive and his comment was (watered down of course) - "Fark that thing is quick. The colour doesn't do it justice though."

They have a GTS 6m arriving next Wednesday. So hopefully when I get my SSV I can check out the GTS.... :bravo:

[HSE2]

Can anyone give me the onroad price for a GTS?

Manual
Metallic
Sunroof
Satnav
red leather option.

I suspect the price I have been quoted is incorrect and seeing as the HSV website is next to useless I need a way of checking.

[jaykay]

Just been to pick up a car from my friendly holden dealer to drive whilst I'm waiting for my SSV to be delivered next week.

As I was pulling out an Ignition Clubsport R8 pulled in after a test drive. I was gestured to come and have a look, then the keys were thrown to me to have a drive. WOW I said, really ??? :bravo:

It was a A6, my comments are -

Brakes are awesome,
Ride is firmer than SSV, a bit bumpier
Dash layout is nice with the 3 central gauges, whiteish blue lights with red needles when headlights come on. Dash was Onyx colour
Seats in the cloth are average, be better with leather IMO
Exhaust / induction note similar to SSV, nothing too loud
The driving lights in the front spolier are :spew:
Rear lights are out there, but I quite like them
Not sure about the A6, seems to hang for a period before it changes gear. Could just be me used to driving 6M
Rims aren't too bad looking, probably blend nicer with a red or black colour

Overall a nice car but I don't think it is worth $13k more than the SSV, but I haven't spent enough time in either of them to be a really good judge.

They have a GTS in next week so will drive that. Then that should be a good compariosn with the MRC.

John

[INASNT]

The GTS rims would look good on the ignition coloured SS.

Can someone do a photoshop.

[BLACK expreSS-V]

I GOT THE CALL UP !!!!

After ringing all the sydney dealers looking for an E-series HSV to test drive earlier this week, my local DWYERS dealership in Wollongong called me to say they had a silver R8 auto waiting for me to test drive :)

I was hoping for a red manual, but was happy to run and check it out. When I saw the silver, I was surprised how nice it looked. The main observations were:

- seats, I hate the material used. It is the same as a Nissan X-trail. You know, that shinny non natural smooth finish (yuck). But the shape, design and padding was very nice. Go the $2500 leather option.

- exhaust, wow. I thought the SS's sounded good, this is beautiful. It has a really nice growl under full cry.

- acceleration, I knew it would be fast, but that auto is something else. Nobody could dream of shifting as fast as that baby. From a very fast takeoff it has a very slight and reactive wheel spin for less than a second then gripped and launched, boy did it launch. That ESP is great. Rather than like my WRX, which has no slip and difficult to launch fast. These R8's are much faster than my '98 REX.

- steering wheel, it felt beautiful. A nice leather feel, nice width and size. The SS-V wheel is nice, but this is another level again.

- guages, I loved the white guages. When the lights are on, the numbers and dials glow red.

- rear lights. Still not sure. They look too small and the plastic above them... (they'll grow on you).

- the wheels, they look fantastic, but could easily be damaged on a gutter, due to the way they stick out.

- backseat - same shape and feel as SS-V, so the three kids will fit.

- The steering was very direct, the suspension was firmer than the SS-V, with the road height looking the same as FE-2.

I was ready to order the SS-V, but after the drive I think I will pay the extra $12-13K (including leather) and go the R8. I have photos on my phone that I will upload.

John,

[BadMac]

The GTS rims would look good on the ignition coloured SS.

Can someone do a photoshop.

Na but I can cut and paste in MS Paint.

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/VE_SS_V_007 medium small.jpg

[jaykay]

Pics of the Ignition R8 I drove today..

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Copy of 08092006069.jpg

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Copy of 08092006070.jpg

John

[TigerMon]

Nice pix! :cool:

The join is very noticeable in the rear end pic.

Surprising fusion is still around for HSV, but not Holden. What's the bet on a series II SS available in Fusion, just like vt series II in tiger?

[`redoctober]

Pics of the Ignition R8 I drove today..

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Copy%20of%2008092006069.jpg

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Copy%20of%2008092006070.jpg

John
those pics do the car so much more justice, i love it! :) prefer the senator though :drool:

[jaykay]

Nice pix! :cool:

The join is very noticeable in the rear end pic.

Surprising fusion is still around for HSV, but not Holden. What's the bet on a series II SS available in Fusion, just like vt series II in tiger?
The joins on the VE's have been average to say the least, considering the big hoohah about panel gaps.

In the first pic I posted the join is very bad (hard to see in pic) where the rear spolier joins the body at the tyre sat in about 3 to 4mm, very noticeable.

Hope they fix this issue....

The colour is Ignition now, not Fusion. It is more orange...

Also forgot to mention that panel on the bonnet under the HSV badge is flimsy if you push the bonnet down with that, better pushing above it...

[BLACK expreSS-V]

The R8 I played with today also had average rear panel fit. In fact I was horrified to see how much movement there was when you grabbed the rear quarter behind the rear wheel and pull in and out on it. Even the inner guard tubs are plastic.

When I felt behind the large 275 rear tyres there is only a fingers gap to the inner guard, that is about the widest tyre you could get to fit in there.

[aahsv]

wow - best R8 pics so far - what a difference in impact from mediocre black to blam! ignition.

[INASNT]

Na but I can cut and paste in MS Paint.

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/VE_SS_V_007 medium small.jpg

looks good, wonder how long before some become available from a wreck or similiar

[Guzzles]

I would say you are right. I was wondering why the color looked OK as I hate ignition :)

don't mind it. as long as the rear spoiler is still on everything's alright:D ;) sorry couldn't resist...


The colour is Ignition now, not Fusion. It is more orange...
Fusion is still available. - at least it was last time I checked the HSV homepage.

[XLR8 V8]

Went along to the Zupps Mt Gravatt launch night last night to paw all over the new HSVs. They didn't have a Senator there (shame 'cause I wanted to see how the matte black parts look in real life) but I did get to see the R8, GTS and a secret new VE model ;) (pic at the bottom)

Mandatory photo of a black car for Chilly's benefit
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_rear_black.jpg

Those brakes are BIG!
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_brakes_red.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_badge_red.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_bumper_red.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_lights_red.jpg

R8 looks very tough front this angle
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_rear_red.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_rear_red2.jpg

R8 Interior
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_dash_red.jpg

Just a look at the rear lights in action - I quite like them
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_light_off.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_light_partial.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_light_on.jpg


Nice engine, but the "dyno chart" sticker thing is very lame..
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_LS2_engine.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_engine_chart.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_intake.jpg

I wanted to take the seats and steering wheel home - the wheel feels great in the hands..
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_dash.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_front.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_guage_pod.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_mrc_button.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_badge.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_low.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_side_close.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_side_close2.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_side_far.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_side_far2.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_side1.jpg
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_side2.jpg

...and that controversial panel above the rear lights
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_light_cover.jpg



And the secret new VE mule running monster truck lift kit! :eek:
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/new_ve_4wd.jpg

Just an FYI ... I took 198 photos and these were the ones that didn't come out with someones blurred head/arm/back where the car was supposed to be ... note to self: go check out the cars on a day OTHER than the launch night

[jaykay]

How did you find the panel fit behind the rear wheels ? Most of the VE's I've seen to date had issues in that area for lack of alignment....

Did the R8 have the leather interior or cloth ? If it had the cloth what did you think of it ? The one I drove yesterday had the cloth and it was average IMO.

[XLR8 V8]

How did you find the panel fit behind the rear wheels ? Most of the VE's I've seen to date had issues in that area for lack of alignment....

Did the R8 have the leather interior or cloth ? If it had the cloth what did you think of it ? The one I drove yesterday had the cloth and it was average IMO.


There were 2 x R8's there. 1 had leather, the other had cloth. The cloth was a hard shiny type "fabric" that I've never experienced in a Holden before. It was very supportive and should wear well, but a closeup look at it isn't the best visually.
The panel fit was better than some people have reported seeing, but not the world standard they said they were aiming for by any means. The GTS was fine on the right side rear, but the left side was out of kilter quite a bit.

[NickS]

Nice shots Kris, thanks for that ... this is going to be a loooooong wait :lol:

[BEWARE]

I've just driven past Zupps at Mt Gravatt, the ZUP05 GTS 307 is parked outside, in the sun, with plenty off good room for pics if you want to go back and take some without people around, not a soul there when I went past, GTS look nice, unsure about the tailights and the obvious area where the panel is to fill in the standard holden lights, otherwise nice!

My neighbour should be placing his order for a red GTS when he gets back from O/S, so hopefully it won't take too long to get!

[BadMac]

R8 looks very tough front this angle
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/R8_rear_red.jpg

That might be the best looking ass I have ever seen (certainly beats the one in Chillys Avatar).
That shot really does show how well thought through these cars are. Love thoes tyres and the diffuser. Even the pipes look desgned rather than placed.

[SV8.YOU]

Look at the rear of the GTS-R from 2004 i think very similar

[TigerMon]

Nice pix, that gts looks like its Fusion? V nice. There's something about tiger and its descendants... :)

Looking at the hsv brochure, there does not seem to be a huge difference between the r8 and gts, but $12k in price - MRC, Wheels and Seats.

That MRC must be expensive!

[BadMac]

Note where those exhausts have come from.

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/PicFetch.gif

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Ferrari-F430 small.jpg

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

Has anyone noticed and can explain the approx 3mm gap on the VE Hsv's between the rear taillight assembly and rear panel?

When looking at the rear tail lights side on; that is standing in front of the rear wheels and looking at the leading edge side of the tail light, you can see a felt like material in between the panel and the side of the light assembly. if the lights fitted properly, I imagine this gap would not be there.

On normal holdens, the taillights fit flush, no gap and much better.

Is this the way it is meant to be, an early build issue or a problem forever?

[timshall1]

:bounce: :bow: :woohoo: :drool: I think I'm in love...with HSV! :drool: :woohoo: :bow: :bounce:


Has anyone noticed and can explain the approx 3mm gap on the VE Hsv's between the rear taillight assembly and rear panel?

When looking at the rear tail lights side on; that is standing in front of the rear wheels and looking at the leading edge side of the tail light, you can see a felt like material in between the panel and the side of the light assembly. if the lights fitted properly, I imagine this gap would not be there.

On normal holdens, the taillights fit flush, no gap and much better.

Is this the way it is meant to be, an early build issue or a problem forever?


I've not noticed any "felt like" material... I've not seen the car in person though, so I could easily be wrong. To me it looks like the tail-lights have a gloss black lining all around the edge, including the leading edge, which might be what you've seen? If so, then it's part of the light cluster, and not a gap.
However, this is just IMHO - like I say, I've only seen the photo's, not the real thing (dammit!).

Cheers

Tim

[pepepepe]

hehe its not what you no its who u no.. will see around june july nick S :)

[VooDoo]

Has anyone noticed and can explain the approx 3mm gap on the VE Hsv's between the rear taillight assembly and rear panel?

When looking at the rear tail lights side on; that is standing in front of the rear wheels and looking at the leading edge side of the tail light, you can see a felt like material in between the panel and the side of the light assembly. if the lights fitted properly, I imagine this gap would not be there.

On normal holdens, the taillights fit flush, no gap and much better.

Is this the way it is meant to be, an early build issue or a problem forever?

Cant see anything here. Definately no issues on the cars i saw the other night.

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_light_cover.jpg

[Jac001]

The rear quater on all VE and "E series" sedans is the same, as is the metal talilight frame.

HSV just put a different shapped taillight (with the top part colour coded) so the "gap" between panels is the same as what you would find on a ve sedan.

The parts are interchangeable just need the hsv bumper as well.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

ZUPPS salsman told us to day ,that all clubsport r8 's have been recalled as panal gap is not up to standard ?:(

WHAT 20' rims are avable in 9.5 to fit GTS ? MUST BE SOME NEW ONES COMING :dance:


Can anyone give me the onroad price for a GTS?

Manual
Metallic
Sunroof
Satnav
red leather option.

I suspect the price I have been quoted is incorrect and seeing as the HSV website is next to useless I need a way of checking.
THE ONE ,at zupps is $83,000drive away sat nav not avable yet they say ?

[SV300]

Well all I can say is, I am ready to have a VE R8.

Will sell my current R8 and hopefully have one by end of year or early next year.

Very nice in the flesh. And I will add that the standard clubby trim on the HSV site looked shite, but in the flesh its like the GTS with chainmail in cloth.
Very comfortable, and much like in fell to my VT R8 seats.

Anyone looking for a well cared for one owner R8?



James

[BlownVR]

Are there any Senators around besides the Red Passion media/publicity mule? Or do we have to wait until mid November to get a decent look?

[XLR8 V8]

Cant see anything here. Definately no issues on the cars i saw the other night.


I saw the felt like material that GOT ANOTHER ONE is talking about on the GTS at the launch. It's the same material that is used around the inside of the window frames of the doors on previous models. There was no massive gap like he found, but the felt is there to stop the perspex/plastic edge of the light from rubbing against the metal panel during body movement on the road and causing damage/noise.

[HSE2]

ZUPPS salsman told us to day ,that all clubsport r8 's have been recalled as panal gap is not up to standard ?:(

WHAT 20' rims are avable in 9.5 to fit GTS ? MUST BE SOME NEW ONES COMING :dance:

THE ONE ,at zupps is $83,000drive away sat nav not avable yet they say ?

Thanks for that. Not sure if it’s my computer or not but I can’t get the HSV website to give me the prices and then I can’t get it to give me all the options. I have reset cache but I can’t get it to work. Its starts ok but then when you select options the price disappears. I used the Holden website as I assume sunroof and Sat Nav will cost me the same. I knew the Sat nav was still a couple of months off but that’s ok because I am hoping they will get on top of some quality issues. There was a red omega in the show room and it has the worst paint match on plastic components I have ever seen.

I haven't been given the exact figures but they want a 4k change over. Problem is I would be trading a car that I would have thought would be around high 90s so they definitely aren't doing me any favours if the GTS is low 80s with those listed options. I sort of worked it to be about 86 drive away at full retail but I am guessing in the tax part.


This ground clearance has me concerned. My Gt has 140mm. Once I got it home I couldn't get it out until I remade the driveway. At 100mm clearance I won’t be able to get it down the driveway at all let alone drive it around town and I really don’t feel like more concrete deconstruction.. Are they really this low or is this some sort of misprint? I would appreciate a measurement of the front clearance if anyone happens to be near one and have a tape close handy.

[Baddaz]

Has anyone noticed and can explain the approx 3mm gap on the VE Hsv's between the rear taillight assembly and rear panel?



There's not 3mm gap.. the fitment gap is the same, if not better then commodore's. But there's a step up on the top of the infill about 5mm back. this isn't a issue on the clubsport or GTS because the huge wing covers it. (only realy see it when boot's up) But I'd say the step is a led in for the front edge of the lip spoiler on the senator. this shows attention to detail on HSV's part:yup:

[BLACK expreSS-V]

HSV tail lights...

One interesting thing I noticed (but forgot to mention earlier) was that the rear LED lights look fantastic in the dark.

When you use the blinkers, the LEDs flash like you would expect, but also have an audible clicking sound that you can hear from the outside of the car. I have never heard any other car that has blinkers that make a noise from outside the car. Very unique.

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

Cant see anything here. Definately no issues on the cars i saw the other night.

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_rear_light_cover.jpg


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/nackers15/VESenator1.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/Dug/VESenatorKJ1.jpg[/QUOTE]


I was at the launch at Zupps on Friday night and all 3 E series (2xR8, 1xGTS) had the gap between the taillight and the rear guard.

Not sure how to upload a photo as I am new to the site but found a view of the senator at sandown that if you were to zoom in on the side view of the taillight, you would see the gap!

Voodoo, do you have any side view close ups of the taillight next to the rear panel. The image you have here is too much from the top to see what I am on about. I am interested in a side view of the RHS of your image.

[Belzey]

This is probably the most pathetic question on here LOL but does anyone know if the Clubbie comes with the flip key??

[F6Mauz]

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/CSVLS1/VESenator2.jpg

[Ghosn]

I was at the launch at Zupps on Friday night and all 3 E series (2xR8, 1xGTS) had the gap between the taillight and the rear guard.

Not sure how to upload a photo as I am new to the site but found a view of the senator at sandown that if you were to zoom in on the side view of the taillight, you would see the gap!

Voodoo, do you have any side view close ups of the taillight next to the rear panel. The image you have here is too much from the top to see what I am on about. I am interested in a side view of the RHS of your image.

Which gap r u refering too? This is the best pic I could find.

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/ghosn/gts_side.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_side2.jpg

[timshall1]

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/CSVLS1/VESenator2.jpg

:doh: as if I saw that picture about three times before I worked out why it somehow looks different! Stupid brain... Anyway, nice work on removing the black line around the base. It looks fantastic!

Cheers

Tim

[BRISVX]

:doh: as if I saw that picture about three times before I worked out why it somehow looks different! Stupid brain... Anyway, nice work on removing the black line around the base. It looks fantastic!

Cheers

Tim

I second that! The Senator actually looks fantastic the way CSV_LS1 has colour-coded it to the rest of the car. HSV will probably be doing a re-think on that grey skirt with the next release.

[Baddaz]

I think you guys have lost the plot. Theses cars a production at the end of the day not show cars. If the fitment gaps are as bad as you saying. Get your flaming tools out and fix the gaps yourselves when you get the cars home. Theses always plenty of adjustment available. That's if any of you wieners can afford a HSV in the first place....Maybe that's the real problem.:bawl:

[Carby650]

I think you guys have lost the plot. Theses cars a production at the end of the day not show cars. If the fitment gaps are as bad as you saying. Get your flaming tools out and fix the gaps yourselves when you get the cars home. Theses always plenty of adjustment available. That's if any of you wieners can afford a HSV in the first place....Maybe that's the real problem.:bawl:

Gees mate thats a big flame for a newby.
At the end of the day these guys are only stating what they see and making comment on it. Which is what this forum is about.
I haven't seen the HSV yet but i tell you that if I was paying $80k for a car I would expect that I shouldn't have to adjust my own panel gaps.

[SV805]

Gees mate thats a big flame for a newby.
At the end of the day these guys are only stating what they see and making comment on it. Which is what this forum is about.
I haven't seen the HSV yet but i tell you that if I was paying $80k for a car I would expect that I shouldn't have to adjust my own panel gaps.

Hear Hear Carby 650

[Trek52]

with todays tech gaps should be fairly good....and for 80k they should be excellent.

[Baddaz]

Gees mate thats a big flame for a newby.
At the end of the day these guys are only stating what they see and making comment on it. Which is what this forum is about.
I haven't seen the HSV yet but i tell you that if I was paying $80k for a car I would expect that I shouldn't have to adjust my own panel gaps.

I get that.. I'm paying $80k for a senator.. if the gaps are so cr4py I can't stand to look at the car I'll get our holden/hsv dealer to fix at the 3000km service.. Isn't that part of the first service?? I don't see the big deal like I said there production Cars.. Go look at BWM there not much better.

[Pickles]

Baddaz- I'm with you. I've seen the "E series" personally--of course these are early production cars, but I thought, & so do all my friends, that the finish on the cars was excellent. They've kept the price down, & the cars represent excellent value for money. Certainly another step up for HSV, but mind you, we're not selling our GTO!--Went for a 500k cruise down the coast yesterday-just magnificent.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Rotty]

Went to the HSV launch at Springwood the other night, loved the R8 and GTS! Not enough to part with my GTO, would have loved to upgrade from the '02 to an '05-'06 GTO but just can't get past the lack of boot space, as a roller hockey goalkeeper I need space for a BIG bag...and the later versions just won't cut it. Have plans to muck about with my GTO though..if I could just find those headlights/taillights from the GTS-R coupe...! And the correct lotto numbers so as to drop an LS-7 in (and upgrade EVERY other thing to compensate). :bravo:

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

Which gap r u refering too? This is the best pic I could find.

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/ghosn/gts_side.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/gts_side2.jpg

The gap is at your number 2. It just looks as though it should fit in snug but is doesn't. any chance of zooming right in on the light?

[Baddaz]

All fixed now.
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/baddaz/Images/fixed.jpg

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

All fixed now.
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/baddaz/Images/fixed.jpg

Thnaks for that Baddaz.

This is the view, you just need to stand facing this view of the car and have a close up look at the leading edge of the light assembly and the panel. Can someone please look at other examples of HSV's and report if this gap and felt material is visible as all the cars at the Zupps launch do have this untidy gap.

Many thanks, I want my car when it arrives not to have a gap!

[jaykay]

Thnaks for that Baddaz.

This is the view, you just need to stand facing this view of the car and have a close up look at the leading edge of the light assembly and the panel. Can someone please look at other examples of HSV's and report if this gap and felt material is visible as all the cars at the Zupps launch do have this untidy gap.

Many thanks, I want my car when it arrives not to have a gap!
Should be going to see my SSV once it is off the truck today. Whilst I'm there I'll have a look at the HSV's.

[Baddaz]

I was at the Zupps lanch friday night.. Icant believe the number of photo's Xrl8 V8 took (198) and he was still unable to get a clear shot of this area. The lighting wasn't the best for photo's ether.

In the flesh the gaps arent as bad as in photo's. The edges on the light cap are radius'd same as the pressed corner on the metal panel so the light plays tricks with the camera's... that why the gap looks bigger then they are. In regards the the gap on the light fitment it's as good as standard holden lights if not better as I stated earlier. The rear bumper fitment should be correctable as the gaps on the cars, I've seen equal the stepback in the rear wheel arch. So again as I stated The Holden dealer should be able to correct the fittment If your not happy with it. Or fix it yourself It's not that hard.

I'm going to take a GTS for a test drive sometime this week. I'll take my Camera with me and see if I can get better pics.

You could make as list of faults as long as your arm with the HSV's it just depends on were your going to set the bar.

That's my 2 cents Daz

[XLR8 V8]

I was at the Zupps lanch friday night.. Icant believe the number of photo's Xrl8 V8 took (198) and he was still unable to get a clear shot of this area. The lighting wasn't the best for photo's ether.

I got quite a few shots of the area, it's just that the "problem" isn't bad enough to come out clearly in photos.

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/rearlightjoin1.jpg http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/XLR8V8/hsv/Zupps_night/rearlightjoin2.jpg

[Bazza76]

Finally got to see the R8 today. Looked alot better then I was expecting after looking at the photo's. Panel fit around the lights was really good, no gaps at all.

[Ghosn]

Don't know if many people know or care but I did learn from the dealer that the engine covers are now clip on/off. No more screws or bolts. Reason being to save time during servicing, good idea IMO.

[Capt.LS2]

I thought the VZ engine covers were clip on and off also?? At least I thought so on my Clubbie :idea:

[Ghosn]

I thought the VZ engine covers were clip on and off also?? At least I thought so on my Clubbie :idea:

Ah sorry I didn't know... Thought it was a new feature on the VEs :hide:

[BLACK expreSS-V]

I'm leaning to ordering a red R8.

The dealer is quoting a "first week in Nov" delivery for a factory order - Red, manual, sunroof, DVD, leather and Sat Nav. No guarantees on Sat Nav (can fit at first service), but everything else factory fitted.

[NickS]

I'm leaning to ordering a red R8.

The dealer is quoting a "first week in Nov" delivery for a factory order - Red, manual, sunroof, DVD, leather and Sat Nav. No guarantees on Sat Nav (can fit at first service), but everything else factory fitted.
Sounds in line with the expected time everyone else has been told when sunroof & DVD are added ... although I am expecting November sometime as I think "first week" may be a little optimistic !!!

The wait is going to suck isn't it ... make sure you stick up some pics when it arrives.

[djsmi1]

I like the dyno sticker on the engine, not sure why people dont?

[Baddaz]

I like the dyno sticker on the engine, not sure why people dont?

It would be better if it was a true dyno sticker for each engine:driving:

[Fudgey]

Ground Clearance............
Ordered a new GTS and without thinking about the driveway, now have a similar worry to HSE2 re: ground clearance - particularly the front spoiler. My VYII R8 clears without too many hassles, but clearance is 150m vs 102mm. I'm hoping the shorter front overhang may help. Don't suppose anyone has measured or knows how much the front spoiler sits off the ground? local dealers dont' have any stock so can't check for myself. E-Mailed HSV but no response yet. Appreciate any help.

[jaykay]

Which gap r u refering too? This is the best pic I could find.

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/ghosn/gts_side.jpg

Just got back from seeing my SSV which just arrived. Had a look at the Clubsport R8 and the GTS which just arrived as well.

The gap shown as 2 and 3 in the pic varied in all 4 instances. Some "felt" material as has been described was visible in 2 of the 4 instances but this is being picky. I think they are much better than previous models now.

The biggets issue I've found is at the join at the back wheel, the lower panel sits in from the upper one. I looked at 6 cars there and not one of the 6 has the two panels meeting flush, so there is an early build issue there. The best example of the fit was an Omega funnily enough.

These are only small issues and I'm sure can be rectified. I've asked the dealer to look at the finish on my SSV prior to pick up on Friday.

I have taken some pics but don't know how they'll come out until I see them on my larger screen tonight. If anyone wants to see them let me know.

John

Have taken some pics of the red GTS which I'll post tonight.

[Junkno's SS]

we sure wanna see the pix :D

[Ghosn]

Don't take too long with the GTS pics. :p

[jaykay]

Don't take too long with the GTS pics. :p
Got the download gear at home, so you'll have to wait about 5 hours more.

It'll be worth the wait. Just a preleader for you - Redhot, 6m with Onyx leather / suede and Onyx dash. They still site too high - 50mm gap to the 20's on the GTS.

The vehicle was already sold at 8.01am this morning, it was on the showroom floor at 7.45am. So I couldn't drive it. The R8 in Ignition I drove last Friday has not sold yet...

For all of your patience here goes with a Redhot GTS 6m -

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006089.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006090.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006091.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006093.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006094.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/12092006095.jpg

John :bday:

Still a massive gap from tyre to guard even with the 20's.... :teach:

[Carby650]

Oh man and it's red....
All I want for Christmas is a Red GTS.... Sing along everybody..

[mustanger]

Yeah,reds definately THE colour to go for but my biggest decision is do you go

for the manual or the new 6speed auto.:hmmm:


.PS......Nice pics

[Ghosn]

Nice work jkgmh, need more tho. hehe

[jaykay]

Nice work jkgmh, need more tho. hehe
Fark me.. never happy you guys :stick:

I spent too much time loving up my new SSV so by the time I got to the GTS I had to get to work....

Very nice lookin unit though. Much nicer than the R8 with cloth in Ignition I posted pics up last Friday of. It hasn't sold - I wonder why :werd:

[Ghosn]

I find it hilarious that u can't option an R8 with 20" rims but u can an Omega. Something's gone a miss there :weirdo:

[Carby]

That GTS is one good looker - nice pic's

[HSVDKB]

Yeah,reds definately THE colour to go for but my biggest decision is do you go

for the manual or the new 6speed auto.:hmmm:

Although the new auto will be better than the previous if you want to maximise your driving experience and you dont spend most of your time in heavy traffic its got to be the manual - and its quicker!

[goofafidamedes]

I find it hilarious that u can't option an R8 with 20" rims but u can an Omega. Something's gone a miss there :weirdo:

Damn straight. I think something got lost in the mish-mash product line-up...:jester:

[Ghosn]

Although the new auto will be better than the previous if you want to maximise your driving experience and you dont spend most of your time in heavy traffic its got to be the manual - and its quicker!

The manual is quicker to 100kph but the auto passes it just before the 1/4 mile :)

[mustanger]

I think performance wise there is not that much difference between the manual and the auto.It just comes down to letting the auto doing the work for you or you doing the shifting yourself.Years ago I wouldn`t even consider an auto but these tiptronics are like having the best of both worlds.I still think that the gearbox choice is more of a dilema than colour choice.

[HSVMAN]

I think performance wise there is not that much difference between the manual and the auto.It just comes down to letting the auto doing the work for you or you doing the shifting yourself.Years ago I wouldn`t even consider an auto but these tiptronics are like having the best of both worlds.I still think that the gearbox choice is more of a dilema than colour choice.

So far my experience with the auto has been very pleasing. I like the shift pattern and the extra "fuzzy logic" with these cars means the Trans is far more intuitive and vastly improves driving experience. Change down on descent or deceleration, holding gear during "spirited driving" etc
Whilst we all like manuals traditionally - the new-age electronics of these autos decreases driving fatigue over long distance whilst not over diminishing the pleasure. And when you want to hold a gear or take charge you can easily. Best of both worlds.
My 2 cents :)

[Funk]

I delivered a red GTS yesterday and my customer is getting it lowered today and has already ordered a set of 22inch wheels and we are putting the PWR blower off his old car onto the GTS next week i will post some Photo's once the wheels Arrive in a couple of weeks

[NickS]

I delivered a red GTS yesterday and my customer is getting it lowered today and has already ordered a set of 22inch wheels and we are putting the PWR blower off his old car onto the GTS next week i will post some Photo's once the wheels Arrive in a couple of weeks
How does lowering affect the MRC & the ESP ???

Sounds great, can't wait to see the pics !!!

[VZSS250]

I delivered a red GTS yesterday and my customer is getting it lowered today and has already ordered a set of 22inch wheels and we are putting the PWR blower off his old car onto the GTS next week

Unique Cars this month reports a $400,000 sale of an XY GT HO Phase III. This sort of price was achieved because the car was original. Doesn't sound like your customer will keep his car original for long.

[Ghosn]

I delivered a red GTS yesterday and my customer is getting it lowered today and has already ordered a set of 22inch wheels and we are putting the PWR blower off his old car onto the GTS next week i will post some Photo's once the wheels Arrive in a couple of weeks

Ooer, this will be interesting. Funk, are u able to do us a big favour and get some snaps up of the car lowered before it gets the 22" rims fitted please? It saves having to wait 2 weeks to see it lowered and I'd like to see how it looks with it's current rims.

Cheers

[mustanger]

Unique Cars this month reports a $400,000 sale of an XY GT HO Phase III. This sort of price was achieved because the car was original. Doesn't sound like your customer will keep his car original for long.

Yes this is true ,but more than likely he will keep it a few years and then upgrade to something else. I have a Y series GTS COUPE at the moment and I am thinking of selling it.Most people say I am crazy but I like to change them over every couple of years.Sure it will be a collectors car especially in thirty/forty years time,but I estimate I would have bought another ten or twelve cars in that time.I want to enjoy my car now not in thirty years time.

Anyway thats my 2 cents :)

[jaykay]

Ooer, this will be interesting. Funk, are u able to do us a big favour and get some snaps up of the car lowered before it gets the 22" rims fitted please? It saves having to wait 2 weeks to see it lowered and I'd like to see how it looks with it's current rims.

Cheers

:stupid: (Pardon the pun). Can't wait to see it lowered and how much it is lowered. :bow:

[HSVMAN]

I delivered a red GTS yesterday and my customer is getting it lowered today and has already ordered a set of 22inch wheels and we are putting the PWR blower off his old car onto the GTS next week i will post some Photo's once the wheels Arrive in a couple of weeks

How do you get on being an HSV dealer AND seriously modding the engine?????? It's not allowed.....

[VooDoo]

Anything is allowed. If the mods cause the problem then you have no chance, if the mods are unrelated then no problem. I wouldnt like to see the guy claim warranty on the engine though.

[Funk]

car is being lowered this very minute no one is sure of hieght as this is the first one in oz to get done
the car has been delivered so work is not performed by the dealership
and customer is fully aware of the fact he has no warranty on parts modified
the customer arranged lowering so once i get the car back off him i will post some picks hopefully tonight or tommorrow

[BLACK expreSS-V]

Thanks Funk.

Appreciate the effort.

Could I please have some details on the 22" rims?

Are they from Tempe Tyres? After a link, prices and other options please...

On the lowering, are the springs simply being "reset" or is there some aftermarket springs available? I know Kmak in Sydney can reset VE springs "while you wait".

John.

[Funk]

springs are king springs
wheels are coming from Keith4wheels

[NickS]

How does lowering affect the MRC & the ESP ???
Any information on this ???

[Ghosn]

car is being lowered this very minute no one is sure of hieght as this is the first one in oz to get done
the car has been delivered so work is not performed by the dealership
and customer is fully aware of the fact he has no warranty on parts modified
the customer arranged lowering so once i get the car back off him i will post some picks hopefully tonight or tommorrow

Well done, I can't wait!! Lots of pics too, not one or two close ups like some others have done ;)


Any information on this ???

Im just guessing, but I figure Funk doesn't know the details yet, hopefully he might be able to give us an answer once he gets the car back and speaks to the owner :bravo:

[jaykay]

Well done, I can't wait!! Lots of pics too, not one or two close ups like some others have done ;) :flipoff: :flip2: :flipoff:

Very ungrateful some people..... It's quality not quantity.... :yup:

[Funk]

in regards to mrc & esp there is no way to know what it is going to do
one would think if the car is fully loaded with gear and people the car will sink lower the same way it will when you put in lower springs as long as you take it down evenly and not too far.

But Some one has to try it first otherwise no one will ever know
and if it wrecks a set of mrc shocks well shit happens at least then everyone else will know not to try it :yup:

i think it will just make the MRC stiffer when in Track mode as it will not want to let the shocks reach full compression therfore making ride stiffer


I guess i will find out tonight when he drops it off to me to take home and fit the blower

[HSVMAN]

Anything is allowed. If the mods cause the problem then you have no chance, if the mods are unrelated then no problem. I wouldnt like to see the guy claim warranty on the engine though.

Not if the Dealership carried out the mods as first implied in Funk's post. He has now made it clear and it is exactly how things would be done here.
Re Warranty, If the engine is modded it doesnt matter if the problem is related or not and in most cases any driveline failure would most likely be void of warranty if a blower were fitted.
I agree with your impression though - any fault or failure must be fixed within warranty unless traced to being related to an unauthorised mod. Its not always that easy though.
Just like modded exhausts will void engine warranties now :confused:

An HSV tech was fired earlier this year in Christchurch for carrying out unauthorised mods on an HSV, not sure on the details but one of the NZ forum members knows more about it...

[XLR8 V8]

Just like modded exhausts will void engine warranties now :confused:

Dept of Fair Trading would take an active interest in that one. If the engine was opened or the engine management program altered to the point that the engine was damaged (running too lean etc) then fair enough, but bolting on a set of pipes to the exterior of an engine? - no legal grounds to void warranty on anything other than the exhaust. They might scam a few people who aren't educated enough to know better though.



An HSV tech was fired earlier this year in Christchurch for carrying out unauthorised mods on an HSV, not sure on the details but one of the NZ forum members knows more about it...

Were they mods that a customer requested and paid for? Once a customer buys a car it's theirs and a workshop (whether it's a dealership workshop or not) should be able to perform any work requested. The only grounds they would have is if he was altering things without the customers knowledge or request.

[VX11SS]

[QUOTE=XLR8 V8;721607]Dept of Fair Trading would take an active interest in that one. If the engine was opened or the engine management program altered to the point that the engine was damaged (running too lean etc) then fair enough, but bolting on a set of pipes to the exterior of an engine? - no legal grounds to void warranty on anything other than the exhaust. They might scam a few people who aren't educated enough to know better though.
[QUOTE]

Not quite true as if there was an engine failure Holden could claim the new headers or Exhaust could have caused a failure due to overlean mixture brought on by oxy sensor being confused. It would be or could be a shit fight and in NZ I dont see fair trading people backing you up as te dealers now inform you that changing the exhaust is a no-no.

[XLR8 V8]

Not quite true as if there was an engine failure Holden could claim the new headers or Exhaust could have caused a failure due to overlean mixture brought on by oxy sensor being confused. It would be or could be a shit fight and in NZ I dont see fair trading people backing you up as te dealers now inform you that changing the exhaust is a no-no.

They would have to back up such a claim by proving that it was indeed lean mixtures caused by the change in exhaust which caused the failure. There are lots of factors that could cause a failure - blanket voiding the engine warranty because of a change in exhuast will not stand up.
As for dealers telling customers it's a no-no ... just because they tell you something, it doesn't make it true/law. Just ask the people that were told by their dealer that their new SS had an LS2 in it :lol:

[VX11SS]

They would have to back up such a claim by proving that it was indeed lean mixtures caused by the change in exhaust which caused the failure. There are lots of factors that could cause a failure - blanket voiding the engine warranty because of a change in exhuast will not stand up.
As for dealers telling customers it's a no-no ... just because they tell you something, it doesn't make it true/law. Just ask the people that were told by their dealer that their new SS had an LS2 in it :lol:

I think youll find (in NZ) that you do not have an automatic right to modify your vehicle if you wish to maintain the warrenty, after all this is quite common in many countries, it is usually on a case by case basis but if Holden NZ say no mods allowed to the exhaust if you want to retain your warrenty I would say they are well within their rights as it could be hard to prove what caused an engine failure.

[BLACK expreSS-V]

...he drops it off to me to take home and fit the blower


Some people have all the fun. :yup:

Make sure you have a stopwatch handy too...

[HSVMAN]

They would have to back up such a claim by proving that it was indeed lean mixtures caused by the change in exhaust which caused the failure. There are lots of factors that could cause a failure - blanket voiding the engine warranty because of a change in exhuast will not stand up.
As for dealers telling customers it's a no-no ... just because they tell you something, it doesn't make it true/law. Just ask the people that were told by their dealer that their new SS had an LS2 in it :lol:

I agree with your stance totally and have argued this fact with certain powers that be however VX11SS is somewhat right also.
If it were me, I would fight it but that is me.

[BadMac]

Heres a thought, can the MRC settings be swapped, either by HSV or aftermarket. ie maybe a senator with lux and track. Or a GTS which won't see track time getting the lux and performance setups. Also can there be more than 2 programs, Track, performance, lux, custom (with a swap from switch to rotary dial.

[HSE2]

in regards to mrc & esp there is no way to know what it is going to do
one would think if the car is fully loaded with gear and people the car will sink lower the same way it will when you put in lower springs as long as you take it down evenly and not too far.

But Some one has to try it first otherwise no one will ever know
and if it wrecks a set of mrc shocks well shit happens at least then everyone else will know not to try it :yup:



It will have an affect just like changing any spring with out changing the damper has. It forces the damper to work in a position it may not be designed for. It changes the working range of the damper and over a period of time it generally fails quicker. In the case of MRC these dampers have tremendous ability to be infinitely set up. The cost in development is in the tuning as they offer far more freedom then conventional dampers.

If I had to guess lowering the car will change the reaction of the partials to electricity as the car will be under greater compression to when the system was set up. Very much doubt it will fail just but rather react differently to the way HSV have set it up but most likely wont be detectable to the owner.

Depending on how HSV have the car set up it could cause the module to go into error code. That would be worse case. Systems like these but at the top end don’t like having anti yaw and pitch base lines being tampered with. I have no idea if HSV have incorporated this type of logic into their version of MRC. The Ferrari version of the similar systems has a lock out time of two years over other Delphi customers and is substantially more involved then the HSV system.


Heres a thought, can the MRC settings be swapped, either by HSV or aftermarket. ie maybe a senator with lux and track. Or a GTS which won't see track time getting the lux and performance setups. Also can there be more than 2 programs, Track, performance, lux, custom (with a swap from switch to rotary dial.

It certainly could be done by HSV as they own the calibration for the dedicated settings. It doesn't even require a different switch as it can be made to accept multiple modes from the one switch. The limit is more likely to be the storage of memory or capacity of the current module or perhaps something HSV have decided to introduce as an evolution down the track preferring to keep something up their sleeve.

Unless there is something specific to MRC most adaptive systems support multiple modes with the only limitation being ECU brain power.

[HSVDKB]

From those that have seen and driven both. Is the GTS worth the extra $12k over the R8. Is the MRC that good to combine with 20" wheels, leather and minor external cosmetics to command that premium. I'm interested as I'm contemplating both options at the moment and Eseries HSV's are still a way off in this part of the world to assist my thinking.

[Baddaz]

From those that have seen and driven both. Is the GTS worth the extra $12k over the R8. Is the MRC that good to combine with 20" wheels, leather and minor external cosmetics to command that premium. I'm interested as I'm contemplating both options at the moment and Eseries HSV's are still a way off in this part of the world to assist my thinking.

You wouldn't believe the difference.. The MRC suspention is defently worth every cent. :bounce: :yup:

[HSVMAN]

You wouldn't believe the difference.. The MRC suspention is defently worth every cent. :bounce: :yup:

Well that's got him thinking! I am yet to drive one myself but hope to be sitting in one in less than a month here :)

[Baddaz]

Regarding test drive of GTS.

Having all my cars in the past been fitted with king springs and on Koni adjustable sport suspension. I was expecting exhalent handling, with a firm to harsh ride especially with the 20' wheels.

But no.. In standard Performance mode. The ride in my opion is more comfortable then VE Calais ride. But the good thing is when you hammer the thing from a standing start there's no sag in the back end the car stays flat and just launches. You hammerer it into a corner and the system reacts instantly firming outside corners and keeping the car flat. Taking off from 60kmh to "Highway speeds" there's no bogging down or axle tramp it just were out of there sunshine.

Track mode.. I didn't think I'd notice a difference as Performance mode was so good. But there's a very noticeable difference and it's instant. I think all you boy races will go weak at the knees.

And another good thing about the MRC when you turn the cars off and then get back in later. The MRC is as you left it. No resetting to default settings.

I can tell you now that My Senator will never be out of the Performance mode. And one of the reasons I was buying the senator was for the Luxo ride.. because I've gotten sick to death of hard rides. (I do a lot of Highway miles)

[GOT ANOTHER ONE]

I had a test drive in a VE GTS today. WOW!

What an awesome machine. It was an A6, not my preferred transmission. Having driven an SSV some weeks earlier, I was amazed at the step up in handling, brakes and ride, this magnatec suspension is amazing.

In performance mode, it corners great, much more control then in my GTO. In track mode, it sits FLAT and just rockets around the corners with amazing precision. I am wondering why anyone would buy an R8, the magnatec suspension is amazing.

I was dumbstruck at the compliant ride in track mode. I though track would be just for a bit of fun occassionally as it would be too harsh for normal everyday use. I was wrong. Track will be my preferred setting, the ride is amazing, track firms everythiung up and the ride is better than my GTO.

The brakes are superb, they pull up quick and sure, my eyeballs were left behind.

Performance was OK, hard to judge when used to an M6 transmission in my current car and we were in conditions not suitable for performance testing.

When my GTS arrives, I will be excited to get it on the highway, this car will gobble the k's with precision previously unknown for a Holden or HSV and comfort for all.

On the quality side, a couple of quibbles. A dash rattle and variable panel gaps and incorrect alignment for the skirts and gaps around the tail lights are things needing attention.

Overall, I can see HSV selling lots of GTS's. The step up in performance and everything fom SS to HSV has been maintained, the size of the step up was a concern others have mentioned prior to release. I would never buy an SS or SSV, the HSV range particularly GTS is just so much better.

Now if my GTS order could only be filled sooner!

[Funk]

suspension work is being done by CITY Suspension in Brisbane
ask for Greg Tate
the springs are a still a bit of a problem as it has only 15mm in the frt and 20mm in rear with springs that should have lowered a normal ve 40mm all round going back next week for another set of custom made springs

[korrupt]

Had a close look at a red GTS and a red Clubsport R8 at Garry & Warren Smith Holden in Oakleigh today. Very, very nice. Few minor concerns, the reverse lights on the R8 stayed on after the car was turned off and the felt around the rear lights on the GTS looked all torn up. But overall, they look to be very impressive. Might head back for a test drive at some stage...

[GTS454]

GTS in Evoke looks good.

http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.dealer_new_vehicle?vehicle_id=3476941&current_rec=1&make_id=81&keyword=E&state_id=-1

Checked out a Red R8 yesterday, look alot better in real life.:bravo:

[Baddaz]

suspension work is being done by CITY Suspension in Brisbane
ask for Greg Tate
the springs are a still a bit of a problem as it has only 15mm in the frt and 20mm in rear with springs that should have lowered a normal ve 40mm all round going back next week for another set of custom made springs

:bounce: How's the lowing of the GTS coming along?????:bounce:

[cev]

Now I havent seen them in the flesh as of yet, but from all the photos ive seen, is it just me or does anyone think that the cheaper Clubsport looks BETTER than the GTS??

I think a few ppl have already mentioned it while reading the thread a couple of weeks ago. I just think that the GTS with all its stylings is just a little TOO much, plus they both are pushing 307kw, no difference there.

My opinion may change when I see them in person though, hopefully this weekend at a dealer, cant wait to see a Caprice too :yup:

[Ghosn]

Now I havent seen them in the flesh as of yet, but from all the photos ive seen, is it just me or does anyone think that the cheaper Clubsport looks BETTER than the GTS??

I think a few ppl have already mentioned it while reading the thread a couple of weeks ago. I just think that the GTS with all its stylings is just a little TOO much, plus they both are pushing 307kw, no difference there.

My opinion may change when I see them in person though, hopefully this weekend at a dealer, cant wait to see a Caprice too :yup:

It's just you.

[NickS]

It's just you.
:yup: :yup: :yup:

[HSVDKB]

Now I havent seen them in the flesh as of yet, but from all the photos ive seen, is it just me or does anyone think that the cheaper Clubsport looks BETTER than the GTS??

Like you I have not seen them in the flesh but from pictures IMO the GTS wheels look better as do the side vents. What in particular are you referring to that looks better on the R8?

[VZSS250]

I would have to say that the Clubsport looks classier than the GTS because the exterior highlights are colour coded rather than blacked out. The blacked out grill attachment and spoiler posts on the GTS are so very Japanese (I'm thinking Lancer Evo).

Ofcourse, the MRC is hard to pass on so I'd have the GTS if I were choosing between the two.

[Avalanche]

was at suttons on monday & was offered a drive of the gts. We politley declined & said we also left the cheque book at home. Other wise we would have driven away with a signed purchase order. the gts looks mean. hsv have done well with it.

[Veeate]

I would have to say that the Clubsport looks classier than the GTS because the exterior highlights are colour coded rather than blacked out. The blacked out grill attachment and spoiler posts on the GTS are so very Japanese (I'm thinking Lancer Evo).

Ofcourse, the MRC is hard to pass on so I'd have the GTS if I were choosing between the two.

Hopefully by the time i am up for a new car VE 2 or VF or whatever will be out and the MRC will be in the entire HSV range. I don't want to pay for a GTS that has leather , fancy stereo , sat nav , bluetooth , dvd etc etc as all that crap i have no interest in. Just give me the 'go fast bits'.

The MRC setup seems to be the thing to have. Look forward to seeing it in the Clubsport in the near future.

[cev]

I would have to say that the Clubsport looks classier than the GTS because the exterior highlights are colour coded rather than blacked out. The blacked out grill attachment and spoiler posts on the GTS are so very Japanese (I'm thinking Lancer Evo).

Ofcourse, the MRC is hard to pass on so I'd have the GTS if I were choosing between the two.

I think thats what im trying to get at. The ClubSport looks kinda neater in a way but maybe its the Grey that blends in well and the Red on the GTS might not be doing it justice.

Dont get me wrong though, I absolutely love both of them!

A GTS in Silver or Black would look wicked. I like the colour red but theres something about red for a car I just dont like more and more these days.

[mustanger]

I think thats what im trying to get at. The ClubSport looks kinda neater in a way but maybe its the Grey that blends in well and the Red on the GTS might not be doing it justice.

Dont get me wrong though, I absolutely love both of them!

A GTS in Silver or Black would look wicked. I like the colour red but theres something about red for a car I just dont like more and more these days.

Yeah,I think it`s called old age.:lol:

[Capt.LS2]

Went to Zupps today for a butchers and was nice to see the GTS in the flesh. In fact, that was the only VE HSV there! No R8's. It was black also and looked the goods. Sitting inside made me feel quite at home and I can see myself in one maybe in a years time.:yup:

[clubbie]

From those that have seen and driven both. Is the GTS worth the extra $12k over the R8. Is the MRC that good to combine with 20" wheels, leather and minor external cosmetics to command that premium. I'm interested as I'm contemplating both options at the moment and Eseries HSV's are still a way off in this part of the world to assist my thinking.

Drove an auto GTS just over a week ago. The std setting is fantastic rides very plush but well controlled. Its a beauty no jiggly ride, no tyre slap, no dive, no squat just pure joy. Even the track setting is smoother than my VY clubby.:eek:

Worth every cent IMHO. I can see this being an option or maybe standard in every HSV in the next series.

Clubbie

[CV860L]

There is a couple of GTS's in Evoke (1 with black interior and 1 with red) on carsales under "brand new cars in stock" - some pretty good photos too.......

[vecommo]

When I saw the very first spy pic of the VE HSV I was a little shocked and disappointed at the rear. However after spending 20 minutes at my local Holden dealer today drooling over a red hot GTS and Evoke R8 I can confidently say that those thoughts have permanently gone.
What can I say, these things are absolute sex on wheels!! In the flesh they look a million dollars, pictures certainly do them no justice.
Few things I noticed is that ride height does not look anywhere near as high as it appears in the photos. The plastic trim around the tail lights seemed to be well fitted without any excessive gaps.
Interior is simply stunning, everything is pleasing to the eye, seats are very comfortable and supportive and in general the whole interior has a quality feel to it.

The only thing wrong with them is that I can't afford one.:bawl: Although after today I am seriously considering giving up on the idea of a new Calais V and buying a used GTS.

[mustanger]

Yes you are right about the new VE Series.They are a lot different in real life.In all the photos you dont get to see the lines and shape of the body.When I first saw the spy pics, I thought they looked ok, but in real life they look absolutely awsome.:bravo:

[Uncle Tone]

They certainly are a nice car.

What are peoples opinions of the red option interior? I'm liking it!!:yup:

So its either red with red or black with red for me.....the time is nearly upon me to order.....just need to make this decision.....so HELP ME PLEASE!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[madone]

I don't know about the red interior; I looked a it but decided the Onyx looks far more classy and I also don't then have the problem in 6 months where you're sick of the red. Black interiors will always age better as there timeless.

[Vulture]

They certainly are a nice car.

What are peoples opinions of the red option interior? I'm liking it!!:yup:

So its either red with red or black with red for me.....the time is nearly upon me to order.....just need to make this decision.....so HELP ME PLEASE!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I like the idea of black with red interior. I think red with red might be a bit much. The first time a saw a black SS with red interior my jaw hit the ground and there was much salivating.

[mustanger]

They certainly are a nice car.

What are peoples opinions of the red option interior? I'm liking it!!:yup:

So its either red with red or black with red for me.....the time is nearly upon me to order.....just need to make this decision.....so HELP ME PLEASE!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I have just ordered mine and I am having the black interior.The main reason is ,it doesnt show up marks as much.I do love the red and I was considering it but hey,you can`t go wrong either way.....John

[korrupt]

Here is a little article from CarPoint :

GTS is the punters' pick but the panelshop's not happy
Early order patterns for HSV's new E-series range of VE-based hotties confirm that the new GTS is the unexpected winner in the new range.

It seems the ClubSport R8 without the GTS's more lavish leather interior, 20-inch wheels and HSV's pioneering Magnetic Ride Control suspension may not be offering enough over Holden's hard-edged and well-equipped SS V. Hence HSV buyers are going straight to the GTS despite the price premium.

Compounding this skew in demand, which is slowing GTS deliveries, HSV has had to take extra care in addressing bonnet fit issues and ensuring there are no production concerns over the HSV-specific cut-and shut vented front guards. Minor production tweaks to finesse the rear tail light section in the VE shell has also prompted closer monitoring of the replacement cap and tail lights fitted to HSV models. That said deliveries are now in full swing according to CC sources.

Source : http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2063109.aspx

[Vulture]

That's interesting and also logical. Why would you buy an R8 when you could get a leather SS-V (with the better L98) for less? The only advantage of the HSV as I see it are the brakes.

[Wonky]

My local dealer finally has a HSV - a GTS. As others have said, pure sex on wheels! :yup:

It did have some minor issues with lower panels not lining up perfectly with those above. Line-up was good, but not as good as it should be.

Bloody hope my Lotto numbers came up tonight!! :bounce:

[Pickles]

That's interesting and also logical. Why would you buy an R8 when you could get a leather SS-V (with the better L98) for less? The only advantage of the HSV as I see it are the brakes.

Vulture, if I had a dollar for every time I've seen you post that the L98 was superior to the LS2, I'd be a millionaire. In standard form the LS2 is the better engine-there's no doubt about that- however if you're talking modified engines, I guess to some extent how good any engine is depends upon how many dollars get thrown at it! So, as far as I'm concerned, the LS2's the better engine- GM state it's their "performance" engine, & it's in the latest Corvette--if it (L98) was better, they'd use it in the Corvette, & other performance applications, but they don't.
And finally, there's a lot more to the new HSV "E series" than brakes!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Vulture]

Vulture, if I had a dollar for every time I've seen you post that the L98 was superior to the LS2, I'd be a millionaire...And finally, there's a lot more to the new HSV "E series" than brakes!
Cheers, Pickles.

:lol: I can appreciate where you're coming from and it does depend on how you approach your performance cars. If keeping then completely stock then I suppose your argument is true; however, many of us look at these things with cams etc, in mind. Besides some interior goodies and a different bodykit, is there really that much of a serious difference? OK, the brakes alone may be worth the entry cost.

[Pickles]

:lol: I can appreciate where you're coming from and it does depend on how you approach your performance cars. If keeping then completely stock then I suppose your argument is true; however, many of us look at these things with cams etc, in mind. Besides some interior goodies and a different bodykit, is there really that much of a serious difference? OK, the brakes alone may be worth the entry cost.
Fair comment Vulture. There's no doubt the SSV is a brilliant package, & I think it will take some sales from Clubsport. I haven't driven a VE yet, but several in the HSV Owners Club have driven both, & feel that the HSV car is a big step up--but obviously if it isn't, people are not going to buy them--anyway, we're not selling our GTO!
Cheers, Pickles.

[VZSS250]

The Clubsport was always going to be in trouble when compared against the SS-V. The upgraded brakes never come into play in 99% of real world driving situations, and the extra 37kw can be had by an SS-V owner for $1,500 in simple mods. On top of that, an SS-V owner gets to sit on plush, colour-coded leather, in seats that are easier to get in and out of while being adequately supportive.

So really, buyers are left paying a premium just to get a bodykit and a few extra gauges. And then they dont get leather! Somehow the Clubsport R8 nameplate looks to have descended to the position once held by the HSV Manta (the HSV nobody bothered to buy back in the VS-VT days).

Meanwhile the GTS is so appealing, that the discounted price on the Clubsport just isn't enough.

[Vulture]

It is a difficult one. Should HSV drop the R8 all together? Or maybe it should have magnetic shocks along with all the other HSV models and the GTS could still be differentiated by different exterior along with more power over the Clubsport. This way there is a real exclusivity to owning an HSV ie the Magnetic suspension. The models are a bit funny at the moment.

[NickS]

Meanwhile the GTS is so appealing, that the discounted price on the Clubsport just isn't enough.
Not sure I fully agree about the Clubsport ... but you sure can't argue with your last sentence.

The way I see it, the Clubsport R8 will be bought by those that don't want to mod, must have an HSV and can't afford the GTS ... otherwise, I agree, my picks would SS-V or GTS.

[The Warden]

That's interesting and also logical. Why would you buy an R8 when you could get a leather SS-V (with the better L98) for less? The only advantage of the HSV as I see it are the brakes.

What a load of tripe!

Clubsport has more power, better suspension, lower diff ratio, better tune (especially for the auto) for a start.

Bloke, the LS2 engine is the current Corvette motor, the L98 is isn't.


Vulture, if I had a dollar for every time I've seen you post that the L98 was superior to the LS2, I'd be a millionaire. In standard form the LS2 is the better engine-there's no doubt about that- however if you're talking modified engines, I guess to some extent how good any engine is depends upon how many dollars get thrown at it! So, as far as I'm concerned, the LS2's the better engine- GM state it's their "performance" engine, & it's in the latest Corvette--if it (L98) was better, they'd use it in the Corvette, & other performance applications, but they don't.
And finally, there's a lot more to the new HSV "E series" than brakes!
Cheers, Pickles.

Exactly right Pickles.


The way I see it, the Clubsport R8 will be bought by those that don't want to mod, must have an HSV and can't afford the GTS

Or exactly the same reasons people have always bought Clubsports hey Nick :yup:

SS-V looks a great package for sure, but I have no doubt the E series Clubbie will still have the edge, just as it always has.

Cheers,
Gordie

[Alex(AUS)]

Notice how nobody has even mentioned the Senator!?! It is simply ignored as a part of the range already.

This Senator is something I would have liked to purchase (in theory before I looked at it) ... I dont really like how it looks (especially the black stripe and little spot lights on the front bar).

I hope the black stripe thing is an option (but that still leaves the bar). I really think you get more in the GTS (most things are the same). I mean the kit is nicer and you get 20" wheels. It seems that with the Senator you only get the rear DVD as an extra. In my opinion the senator should be one stage better than the Calais V and it should have the screens in the back headrests (Caprice).

The best bet atm is the GTS for sure.

Notice how I ignored the clubbie ...

Alex

[BlownVR]

Notice how nobody has even mentioned the Senator!?! It is simply ignored as a part of the range already.
I don't think it will be ignored once there are actually some around to look at... hope we don't have to wait till November.
Personally I would take a Senator over a GTS but perhaps with a few small mods to improve it's external appearance.

[Vulture]

Clubsport has more power, better suspension, lower diff ratio, better tune (especially for the auto) for a start.
Bloke, the LS2 engine is the current Corvette motor, the L98 is isn't.

I think you've missed my point. From a modification point of view there is more learned opinion than mine that the L98 is the pick of the two. Diff ratios and suspension are easy and relatively cheap mods. It is actually a close thing, if you were to put brakes as good as the R8 on an SS-V you'd be up for a pretty penny. Have a look at post #170 again. For ME it'd be either an SS-V or a GTS.

[Evil LS1]

The upgraded brakes never come into play in 99% of real world driving situations,

Take it out of Camry mode then and drive the bloody thing :stick:

[sv285]

isnt the L98 a truck motor? may have been the L76

[Wonky]

isnt the L98 a truck motor? may have been the L76
The L98 in the VE is basically just the L76 with all the (non operational) DOD gear removed.

[Thumper]

SS-V looks a great package for sure, but I have no doubt the E series Clubbie will still have the edge, just as it always has.

Cheers,
Gordie
Hi Gordie - Saw the VE R8 at the Surfers HSV dealer last week, it certainly secured my choice of next trade re SSV vs R8, it was a red A6, looked great, no test drives available though, it was the only HSV they had.
Looks like I might have to have those meaningful negotiations with Bernie!
Cheers, Rod

[HSVDKB]

Wonder when we get to see the eseries HSV's this side of the ditch

[HSVMAN]

Wonder when we get to see the eseries HSV's this side of the ditch

Off the boat around mid October but arrival could be later and pricing negotiations are still going on....so no price yet either.
Trade values are crap though :( I just had a client sell his VZ Clubsport to our wholesaler now so he didnt lose any more. He is waiting until Jan for an R8

[Runner]

I have ordered a Senator Sig in phantom/onyx with sat nav and sunroof as options. Delivery has been penciled in for mid November.

The only thing I do not like about the Senator are the matt black/grey skirts. I am waiting to see how obvious they look on phantom. If I still do not like them I will consider getting them painted/colour coded in phantom to match the rest of the car.

Can anyone advise me if this is a difficult proceedure and what I would have to be aware of if I get a panel beater to paint them? Also would anyone have a rough idea of the cost of doing it. Thanks.

[Ghosn]

I have ordered a Senator Sig in phantom/onyx with sat nav and sunroof as options. Delivery has been penciled in for mid November.

The only thing I do not like about the Senator are the matt black/grey skirts. I am waiting to see how obvious they look on phantom. If I still do not like them I will consider getting them painted/colour coded in phantom to match the rest of the car.

Can anyone advise me if this is a difficult proceedure and what I would have to be aware of if I get a panel beater to paint them? Also would anyone have a rough idea of the cost of doing it. Thanks.

I don't think there will be any obvious problems for the panel beater to color code them. Just go a reputable panel shop and car should come out looking better than new.

After you get it done, drive it back to HSV and show them how it should have been from the outset. :)

[mustanger]

I don't think there will be any obvious problems for the panel beater to color code them. Just go a reputable panel shop and car should come out looking better than new.

After you get it done, drive it back to HSV and show them how it should have been from the outset. :)

Absolutely 100% correct:yup:

[Vulture]

I don't think there will be any obvious problems for the panel beater to color code them. Just go a reputable panel shop and car should come out looking better than new.

After you get it done, drive it back to HSV and show them how it should have been from the outset. :)

I think they did it to make the Senator look longer and not as fat. With the colour-coded skirts it will look fatter and chunkier but I suppose that's the look most of us would be after.

[sv285]

shouldn't be a problem had a 99 wrx the bottom spoilers were factory black had Subaru color code them. remember the Audi a4's factory blackened bottom half of the car Dad had Audi color code the car, this is minor works try to get Holden to complete so it may be covered with the warranty.

[Runner]

I asked the dealer if HSV would paint them for me but the answer came back as a negative. Since my colour is phantom the car may look ok without the colour coding. I have only seen photos of the Senator in red passion and I did not like the look of the panels on that colour.

[VZSS250]

the Audi a4's had the bottom half of the car blacked out.

I'd forgotten about that. Looks like you've explained where HSV got their inspiration from. Pity it doesn't work well on the Senator.

The matt black finish on the bottom of the Senator makes the GTS look like a much better buy.

[Holden Man]

I read that they (HSV) did the grey on the bottom of the Senator to make the car appear to be longer !

They should have made it the same colour as the rest of the car as the grey stands out too much and takes your eyes off the rest of the car.

[VZSS250]

I read that they (HSV) did the grey on the bottom of the Senator to make the car appear to be longer.

I read that as well, but the drawback of doing that is the car also looks higher off the ground. Hardly a good look for those that like a low stance.

Doesn't explain the matt black finish around the driving lights though. I suppose that was done just for the sake of making the Senator look cheap.

[The Warden]

I have ordered a Senator Sig in phantom/onyx with sat nav and sunroof as options. Delivery has been penciled in for mid November.

The only thing I do not like about the Senator are the matt black/grey skirts. I am waiting to see how obvious they look on phantom. If I still do not like them I will consider getting them painted/colour coded in phantom to match the rest of the car.

Can anyone advise me if this is a difficult proceedure and what I would have to be aware of if I get a panel beater to paint them? Also would anyone have a rough idea of the cost of doing it. Thanks.

I just had the driver side skirt resprayed on my VZ clubbie after a wee run in with a traffic island (oh the shame :hide: ).

Including removal and full respray + new stick on clubsport badge under the back door + bit of plastic shaping = total cost $380 NZD - about $70 of that is the badge (no damage to the badge but too hard to mask). Also included a bit of brush work on the passenger side underneath the car.

[QIKMIK]

I read that they (HSV) did the grey on the bottom of the Senator to make the car appear to be longer !I thought HSV had Grange if buyers wanted longer? Give me SWB prestige any day. I've been stuck in the house for over a week (long story) and I haven't had a chance too see E-series in the flesh yet. All I can say is that if Senator was one colour, I would have it head and shoulders over R8 and GTS.

Mick

[Vulture]

Just saw a black GTS of all places in Maryborough QLD!
Certainly looked VERY menacing.

[mustanger]

Just saw a black GTS of all places in Maryborough QLD!
Certainly looked VERY menacing.

I know that they have taken a few orders but still have seen many on the road.:drool:

[KingClifton]

On the subject of GenIV vs LS2, I have to say that they felt like totally different engines...which of course they are. Yes, you can edit the GenIV and get 267kW at the wheels, but it still didn't feel that great and not really like a V8, in the way that the old 5.0 did. I've always thought the GenIII felt like a really powerful V6, not like a V8.

The LS2 (in the GTS I drove recently) felt like a true European V8 - silky smooth, grunty, but with a good top-end. The car had only done 300km but the engine was still keen to rev and it felt like a much more mature engine - in fact, the whole car was like driving a high-spec 5-series BMW.

I do wonder whether the R8 will be the ugly sister of the E-series range. I'd consider a step up to the R8 (dealer's quoted me about $10K over an SS-V) but the GTS is too expensive. If only the R8 came with the magnetic ride.

[CLUB_819]

Gday fellas, just regarding the senator and the unpainted side skirt, was going past Ferntree Gully Holden in Vic and they had a senator being off loaded from the truck and it's side skirts were gloss black, and it lookd f'n awesome, pix just don't do it justice.

Cheers
Scotty

[Runner]

Gday fellas, just regarding the senator and the unpainted side skirt, was going past Ferntree Gully Holden in Vic and they had a senator being off loaded from the truck and it's side skirts were gloss black, and it lookd f'n awesome, pix just don't do it justice.

Cheers
Scotty

Does that mean they were painted before arriving at the dealer - did it look like the truck was actually delivering the vehicle from HSV? By the way I assume the car colour was phantom?

I ordered my vehicle about 2 weeks ago and was told to expect it about mid November at the time(as a generalisation). My question is: does the dealer receive or have access to printouts which indicate the stage of production of the vehicle and an estimated delivery date with a bit more certainty once the order has been placed?

I asked the dealer a couple of days ago if he could find out any information for me but have yet to hear back from him. The pre delivery post sale service seems to be lacking from this particular salesman.

[Evil LS1]

On the subject of GenIV vs LS2, I have to say that they felt like totally different engines...which of course they are. Yes, you can edit the GenIV and get 267kW at the wheels, but it still didn't feel that great and not really like a V8, in the way that the old 5.0 did. I've always thought the GenIII felt like a really powerful V6, not like a V8.

The LS2 (in the GTS I drove recently) felt like a true European V8 - silky smooth, grunty, but with a good top-end. The car had only done 300km but the engine was still keen to rev and it felt like a much more mature engine - in fact, the whole car was like driving a high-spec 5-series BMW.

I do wonder whether the R8 will be the ugly sister of the E-series range. I'd consider a step up to the R8 (dealer's quoted me about $10K over an SS-V) but the GTS is too expensive. If only the R8 came with the magnetic ride.


Why don't you wait 6-12 months and pick up a SH GTS for $55-65K; let someone else cop the massive drop in resale value.

[HSVMAN]

Why don't you wait 6-12 months and pick up a SH GTS for $55-65K; let someone else cop the massive drop in resale value.

There will be a drop but it will not be "massive" :)

[Campaign]

Yeah GTSs' don't really depreciate very much, $94 500 in 03 .... today well......

Top cars and i really love the look of them, and if i could afford one i might be willing but don't tell me they aren't going to depreciate much im not listening.

[Black AH CDX]

On the subject of GenIV vs LS2, I have to say that they felt like totally different engines...which of course they are. Yes, you can edit the GenIV and get 267kW at the wheels, but it still didn't feel that great and not really like a V8, in the way that the old 5.0 did. I've always thought the GenIII felt like a really powerful V6, not like a V8.

The LS2 (in the GTS I drove recently) felt like a true European V8 - silky smooth, grunty, but with a good top-end. The car had only done 300km but the engine was still keen to rev and it felt like a much more mature engine - in fact, the whole car was like driving a high-spec 5-series BMW.

I do wonder whether the R8 will be the ugly sister of the E-series range. I'd consider a step up to the R8 (dealer's quoted me about $10K over an SS-V) but the GTS is too expensive. If only the R8 came with the magnetic ride.

i assume you are comparing the L98 to the LS2 cause they are both GEN IV engines

[HSVMAN]

Yeah GTSs' don't really depreciate very much, $94 500 in 03 .... today well......

Top cars and i really love the look of them, and if i could afford one i might be willing but don't tell me they aren't going to depreciate much im not listening.

I am talking about VE - not VT-VZ. Hopefully it will be a different ball game due to different pricing initiatives and build numbers

[billygirl]

Well this is a very big day for me!!

My first post and i can say that i just placed my order for a Sandstorm Senator!!

It is in stock so i will take delivery next week. I saw the car today and it looks great on paper but 100 times better in the flesh!

wooo hooo

[BlownVR]

Well this is a very big day for me!!

My first post and i can say that i just placed my order for a Sandstorm Senator!!

It is in stock so i will take delivery next week. I saw the car today and it looks great on paper but 100 times better in the flesh!

wooo hooo

Congrats! Hope you can put some pics up for us some time. I have only seen VE Senator pics in Red Passion and am real keen to see how they look in other colours, including Sandstorm.

[billygirl]

Congrats! Hope you can put some pics up for us some time. I have only seen VE Senator pics in Red Passion and am real keen to see how they look in other colours, including Sandstorm.

Delivery confirmed for Tuesday or Wednesday of next week. I was sort of concerned about the colour too, but when i saw it i just thought i don't really care what colour it is (even thought the Sandstorm looks great) I just want it straight away. I wasn't going to wait until November!

Will try and get some pics up next week.

[NickS]

Delivery confirmed for Tuesday or Wednesday of next week. I was sort of concerned about the colour too, but when i saw it i just thought i don't really care what colour it is (even thought the Sandstorm looks great) I just want it straight away. I wasn't going to wait until November!

Will try and get some pics up next week.
There is a Evoke GTS at a dealership near me, but it doesn't have sunroof or DVD. As frustrating as the wait is I would rather get EXACTLY what I want than close enough but not quite just to get it a bit earlier.

Congrats. anyway, stick up some pics when you get it. :bravo:

[BadMac]

There is a Evoke GTS at a dealership near me, but it doesn't have sunroof or DVD. As frustrating as the wait is I would rather get EXACTLY what I want than close enough but not quite just to get it a bit earlier.

Congrats. anyway, stick up some pics when you get it. :bravo:

Nick, if you are passing with a camera and happen to take a pic then post it here that would be great. I haven't seen evoke in the flesh and wonder if it solves the hard to clean black, but VE/HSV looks stunning in black dilema?

[Wonky]

Nick, if you are passing with a camera and happen to take a pic then post it here that would be great. I haven't seen evoke in the flesh and wonder if it solves the hard to clean black, but VE/HSV looks stunning in black dilema?
Was at my local dealer today and they now have an Evoke R8. Looks great to me - it's the colour I'd want if the family voted against another red car. It looks almost black in poor light so I suspect won't be much easier than black to keep clean.

[NickS]

Nick, if you are passing with a camera and happen to take a pic then post it here that would be great. I haven't seen evoke in the flesh and wonder if it solves the hard to clean black, but VE/HSV looks stunning in black dilema?
Got these off Carsales ...

http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/5360521.jpg

http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/5325712.jpg

Fairly average shots ... I'll stick up lots of mine when it arrives.

BTW ... I have ordered some plates for it, what do think guys ... GTSLS2

[Carby650]

I don't usualy buy Wheels mag but bought the lastest issue due to there being an article on the great man PB. They have a rather extensive write up on the new HSV's and they get some big wrapps.
It's clear to see that the GTS and Senator will be the big sellers for the range. I can't see too many R8's being sold in comparision given that the SSV is so much cheaper and appears to have more in it. (except of course an extra 37kw's. ) I am really keen to see these HSV's in the flesh as I reacon that they just look great

Well I've just come back from the HSV dealership and they had a RED GTS in the showroom with black interior. WOW !!!
If they had a red auto I think I would've signed up on the spot. Another guy walked in not long after me looked at the car for 5 mins and was in the office signing up for one. They are amazing looking vehilces. They didn't have an R8 for me to see though which was a pity. Now to convince the wife !!

[tgdavey]

Would like to see 2 VE hsv's side by side compareing Fusion with Ignition.
Really cant decide which colour to go for.
Come on photo choppers!! :yup:

[jaykay]

Got these off Carsales ...
http://images.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/5325712.jpg
Rear bumper alignment is not the best in that pic ... Same issue mine has. Have to visit the Holden Aftersales Engineer in the near future... Can't believe the service department don't know of any issue with the alignment of the rear bumper on the VE's. I suppose if no one has complained yet they may not :confused:

Go on Bevan, order a red A6 GTS already.... :yup:

[Vulture]

Got these off Carsales ...

Nick, the HSV styling on the E series definitely works well with these darker colours. Congrats on the order, I think you've picked the best colour. Seems to smooth out the discordant qualities.

[ti0350]

I saw a GTS in Ignition today nearly gave myself whiplash watching it go past..

[KingClifton]

Hopefully it will be a different ball game due to different pricing initiatives and build numbers

I do wonder whether this is just the latest excuse for not budging off RRP? Push back to those buyers who don't know any better?

Holden are saying this about the entire VE range - fleet discounts are minimal in order to protect resale values.

We hear these sort of things all the time - dealer tells you the manufacturer has a no-discount policy to ensure resales remain good, then another dealer offers you $3K off without even haggling.


i assume you are comparing the L98 to the LS2 cause they are both GEN IV engines

Yup, I'm comparing the L98 to the LS2. One felt like a Holden V8 and the other felt like a BMW V8.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

what is the ride like in ve gts is is better then vz r8 is thear less road noise

[HSVDKB]

Would like to see 2 VE hsv's side by side compareing Fusion with Ignition.
Really cant decide which colour to go for.
Come on photo choppers!! :yup:

I'm interested in this also. Any opinions from those that have seen both on the on the new HSV. So far I think red looks the best from the pics but Ive had too many red cars

[HSVMAN]

NZ HSV retail pricing:

R8 Man = $77990
R8 Auto = $78990
GTS Man = $91990
GTS Auto = $92990
Senator Sig = $91990 (auto)

Including GST

[NickS]

NZ HSV retail pricing:

R8 Man = $77990
R8 Auto = $78990
GTS Man = $91990
GTS Auto = $92990
Senator Sig = $91990 (auto)

Including GST
How do they compare with the Z Series ... is the R8 priced at the old Clubby level, GTS at the old R8 level etc. ???

[HSVMAN]

How do they compare with the Z Series ... is the R8 priced at the old Clubby level, GTS at the old R8 level etc. ???

VZ was:
Clubsport $75900 (man or auto)
R8 Clubsport $88900 " "
Senator Sig $ $89900

[HSVDKB]

NZ HSV retail pricing:

R8 Man = $77990
R8 Auto = $78990
GTS Man = $91990
GTS Auto = $92990
Senator Sig = $91990 (auto)

Including GST

If there is no discounting off retail these are very large increases over the VZ. I paid $69k for my clubsport.

[HSVMAN]

If there is no discounting off retail these are very large increases over the VZ. I paid $69k for my clubsport.

I wouldnt say "nil" discount but yes you are right still an increase. Margins are reduced in HSV to align with Holden discounts accordingly so less ability to discount as I have previously alluded to. If you bought a VZ M6 you will be looking at approx $5k increase to VE M6 (discount is halved) and in some cases more.
One could argue that the VE is more than $5k better car....
I think Holden Aus dictated the pricing here which is why it has taken so long to get out as Holden NZ were negotiating for weeks

[VX11SS]

If there is no discounting off retail these are very large increases over the VZ. I paid $69k for my clubsport.

The increase is small enough for the technology in the new cars, you just happened to get nearly 7k off list price.
This in turn has helped effect the resale of your vehicle as its probably worth under 50k now, if the dealers dont budge on price and a smaller number of HSVs are sold new this will A) help the VEs 2nd hand value and B) may in the longer term actually help olders HSVs resale.
Cheers Jay

[Evil LS1]

There will be a drop but it will not be "massive" :)

We are talking Commodore here.

[HSVMAN]

We are talking Commodore here.

Congratulations Mate!

You just won "sharpest tool in the shed" award :bravo:

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

JUST got back from hsv dealer hear ,$81,300 for gts a6 with red leather opt ,test drove r8 a6, tap shift is a bit dodgey taping from 1, 2, 3, at 6000 rpm ingine stumbles badly between shifts like it hits the limeter before it decides to change up :spew: ,down shifts are good ,up shifts in manual mode normal rpm are slow and dowey ,in auto mode they are very good .do you think an edit will fix it ?

[mustanger]

JUST got back from hsv dealer hear ,$81,300 for gts a6 with red leather opt ,test drove r8 a6, tap shift is a bit dodgey taping from 1, 2, 3, at 6000 rpm ingine stumbles badly between shifts like it hits the limeter before it decides to change up :spew: ,down shifts are good ,up shifts in manual mode normal rpm are slow and dowey ,in auto mode they are very good .do you think an edit will fix it ?

Those new autos take a while to get the best out of them.You really have to bang them through the gears like a manual.Like you said ,when you leave them in auto mode they are very good.


Go and get your chequebook and just order one......You only live once....John:yup:

[HSVMAN]

JUST got back from hsv dealer hear ,$81,300 for gts a6 with red leather opt ,test drove r8 a6, tap shift is a bit dodgey taping from 1, 2, 3, at 6000 rpm ingine stumbles badly between shifts like it hits the limeter before it decides to change up :spew: ,down shifts are good ,up shifts in manual mode normal rpm are slow and dowey ,in auto mode they are very good .do you think an edit will fix it ?

Are you tap shifting at 6000 rpm? Try it with ESP off :D

[NickS]

JUST got back from hsv dealer hear ,$81,300 for gts a6 with red leather opt ...
Is that drive away ? Sounds like a good price if it is :yup:

Congrats ... any word on delivery dates ???

[mark78]

It’s funny you know, my initial impression of the VE was one of disappointment and this isn’t changing the more I see them on the road. For some reason they just aren’t growing on me like the VS/VT/VY did. I particularly remember the upgrade to the VT and loved the improvement. I guess I was expecting the same “wow” factor for the E series.

I actually don’t mind the Omega. It looks reasonable, but the SS and HSV are a real let down for the price.

I saw a new GTS the other day, and you would think a lifetime Holden fan like myself would be drooling over it – nope, nothing. Don’t get me wrong, it definitely has street presence, but I wouldn’t fork out my hard earned on it.

I will mention though, the Calais is working for me, but it’s a bit too grandpa-mobilish for my liking and not worth the cash either imo.

Regarding the HSV’s, it’s a real shame as the missus and I were looking at upgrading at the end of the year. We were hoping to buy a new Clubby, but even those don’t do a lot for me. The more I see the rear end the more I think geez, what were they thinking. And the front just looks like a Ford on steroids.

I realise the E series drive very well, but if I’m going to be spending $65k I want the whole package – looks, power and handling. I don’t want to settle for something I look at and don’t particularly like. Hmm maybe I expect too much?

Anyway, this leaves us in a tricky situation, as ‘new’ Beamers under $65k are boring 4 cylinders and I wouldn’t be seen dead in a Fraud or hoonish WRX etc.

Perhaps we should invest the money for a couple of years and see what HSV comes out with next time round? Are we Likely to see an improvement?

[mustanger]

It’s funny you know, my initial impression of the VE was one of disappointment and this isn’t changing the more I see them on the road. For some reason they just aren’t growing on me like the VS/VT/VY did. I particularly remember the upgrade to the VT and loved the improvement. I guess I was expecting the same “wow” factor for the E series.

I actually don’t mind the Omega. It looks reasonable, but the SS and HSV are a real let down for the price.

I saw a new GTS the other day, and you would think a lifetime Holden fan like myself would be drooling over it – nope, nothing. Don’t get me wrong, it definitely has street presence, but I wouldn’t fork out my hard earned on it.

I will mention though, the Calais is working for me, but it’s a bit too grandpa-mobilish for my liking and not worth the cash either imo.

Regarding the HSV’s, it’s a real shame as the missus and I were looking at upgrading at the end of the year. We were hoping to buy a new Clubby, but even those don’t do a lot for me. The more I see the rear end the more I think geez, what were they thinking. And the front just looks like a Ford on steroids.

I realise the E series drive very well, but if I’m going to be spending $65k I want the whole package – looks, power and handling. I don’t want to settle for something I look at and don’t particularly like. Hmm maybe I expect too much?

Anyway, this leaves us in a tricky situation, as ‘new’ Beamers under $65k are boring 4 cylinders and I wouldn’t be seen dead in a Fraud or hoonish WRX etc.

Perhaps we should invest the money for a couple of years and see what HSV comes out with next time round? Are we Likely to see an improvement?
I know that you think 65k is a lot of money but in new car terms it isn`t.
To get similar performance ,looks,handling,ride,in a BM OR MERC you have to spend over 200k to get similar satisfaction. I know because I took them both for test drives and I ended up placing an order for the VE GTS. I am over 100k in front already and I still have the same smile on my face.:) I would suggest to just wait and see and you never know they just might grow on you. I remember when the walkingshaws came out,I thought what the hell have they done here. But guess what ,I absolutely love them now. Anyway just my 2 cents worth.......John

[VZSS250]

Mark78, I think your in a similar position to what I found myself in. VT-VZ design was coupe-like, and thrived on clean lines, unhindered by boyracer details.

The new HSV's look great, but they don't have the sleekness of the VT-VZ HSVs. The VE HSV makes you feel guilty for settling for a massive family four-door and tries to make up for it through out-right aggression and big details like big bulging wheel arches, LED tail lights and big vents.

But when people like us have finished sulking, we realise that the $65k we had ready to spend on a VE Clubsport will buy peanuts in a Euro showroom, and we settle for the Clubbie.

And then we wish the Corvette comes to Australia one day...

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Is that drive away ? Sounds like a good price if it is :yup:

Congrats ... any word on delivery dates ???
early 07 with satnav:)

[Funk]

:bounce: How's the lowing of the GTS coming along?????:bounce:

New springs were fitted Yesterday car is 35mm lower then standard
and rides like a dream if any one wants to host a photo i can email it too them
as i can not do it from work

car looks great

[BLACK expreSS-V]

thanks Funk. Hows the supercharger install going?

[Ghosn]

New springs were fitted Yesterday car is 35mm lower then standard
and rides like a dream if any one wants to host a photo i can email it too them
as i can not do it from work

car looks great


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

ghosn@bigpond.net.au

HURRY!! :)

[jaykay]

C'mon Ghosn ......:lol: :lol: :lol:

:worthless:

[Ghosn]

C'mon Ghosn ......:lol: :lol: :lol:

:worthless:

Im still waiting :bawl:

Don't worry, I got my email on auto send/receive every few mins.

[Belzey]

Where are these pics???????

[Uncle Tone]

Had a go in a manual GTS today, I must say that they have improved the car far beyond what I imagined......

The ride is very comfortable compared to my R8, and everything feels much more solid. I was a tad disappointed with the power, being used to my car, but I guess that can be sorted easily enough.

The seats aren't as grippy as my VY, but still comfortable enough, the steering is a big improvement, nicely weighted and lighter than my clubby, which feels old as hell now. The clutch is LIGHT!!! I nearly put my foot through the floor!! However, it feels "weak"....with a bit of a tremor when you let it off at low revs, as if the flywheel needs machining....my stock clutch felt the same, but much heavier.

Corners remarkably well, and the interesting thing is that if you turn the MRC on I couldn't feel the difference in the ride until I pushed it on smooth roads, I guess on rough roads the ride would be harsher with MRC on. I didn't give it enough to put this to any real test, so I guess I'll be waiting until I get mine before I can really try this out.

The horn has an ineresting tone to it.......sort of like an irate buffalo bellowing angrily out of both ends at the same time :lol:

A vast improvement over the old model indeed.

They have a red manual coming that I can have straight away, but the jurys still out on the colour. I'm leaning towards the red, but there is still something about Death black that is hard to look past.....anything is better than that Killrust colour the one I drove today was presented in :spew:

[Ghosn]

Corners remarkably well, and the interesting thing is that if you turn the MRC on I couldn't feel the difference in the ride until I pushed it on smooth roads, I guess on rough roads the ride would be harsher with MRC on. I didn't give it enough to put this to any real test, so I guess I'll be waiting until I get mine before I can really try this out.

MRC is permanantly on. The button is only for changing from performance mode to track mode.

[Uncle Tone]

MRC is permanantly on. The button is only for changing from performance mode to track mode.

Err....you know what I mean....:confused:

[Wonky]

New springs were fitted Yesterday car is 35mm lower then standard
and rides like a dream if any one wants to host a photo i can email it too them
as i can not do it from work

car looks great
I reckon it would look fantastic!! Pics please!! :bounce:

Does the MRC make lowering any more expensive? What's your ground clearance now?

[SV300]

Here is FUNK's lowered GTS.


Enjoy


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/hsv5ltr/P1000122-1.jpg


James

[EddieVE06]

Here is FUNK's lowered GTS.


Enjoy


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/hsv5ltr/P1000122.jpg



James

Any chance of getting a slightly bigger pic.
Thanks

[Funk]

yes when i get more time

[jaykay]

Looks friggin awesome Funk....

How much has it been dropped from standard. When I looked at a GTS here in Perth the gap was about 50mm on the standard ride height... Do you have any more details on the job ?

The wheels are different too, really aggresive IMO.

Just can't get into the rear tailights, in particular from that angle in the photo. :(