How many VEs were sold in September 2006?

[Falcon Freak]

The official new car sales figures are a few days away from being released. Anybody on this forum have any inside news or contacts with Holden new car sales yards? I hear conflicting stories about how well the VE is selling. I have seen more new Camrys then VEs on the road to date. Which is surprising considering the new Camry went on sale only one week before the VE did.

FF

[CharlieDontSurf]

Depends where you live and what times you drive as to what you see. V facts are the only place to find out true numbers...and even then they can be manipulated by the manufacturers.....

[Drizt]

The official new car sales figures are a few days away from being released. Anybody on this forum have any inside news or contacts with Holden new car sales yards? I hear conflicting stories about how well the VE is selling. I have seen more new Camrys then VEs on the road to date. Which is surprising considering the new Camry went on sale only one week before the VE did.

FF


Seen numerous VE's, no camry's for me.

[vecommo]

I am a semi driver so I get pretty good coverage of both Melbourne suburban and country Victorian roads every day. I must say that I have totally lost count of the amount of VE's I've seen on the roads. Mainly Omegas and SV6's, but I have also seen plenty of SS/SSV's and Calais/V. I have seen 3 GTS's to date, almost snapped my neck looking at them!:yup:
As for new Camry's, I have only seen 1, yes 1.

Falcon Freak, I read the Ford forum occasionally, for someone who is so fiercly anti-Holden it surprises me that you are even here.:lol:

[Speedy Gonzales]

Id say a few but majority would be fleet, business and government, barely any private buyers.

Though Im willing to be proved wrong.

[Falcon Freak]

Falcon Freak, I read the Ford forum occasionally, for someone who is so fiercly anti-Holden it surprises me that you are even here.:lol:

As can be seen I don't post here very often. I like to see every now and then what the dark side is talking about.

FF

[Nobby]

I've seen a handful of VE and piles of Camrys.

Quite depressing.

[monaroCountry1]

Ive seen plenty of VE's especially SV6 and SS(yes surprised).

Ive only seen a hadful of Camrys even though I live two blocks away from a toyota dealership.

On another note, wasnt there some supply issues with the VE?

[QIKMIK]

Haven't seen too many around Canberra. I went for a drive into the city today expecting to see a few, but not a single one. The missus has seen two in the last week, one in traffic and one at the shops. Probably doesn't help that I've only been out of the house 5 times in the last 2 weeks (surgery).

Mick

[FunkyPig]

Interesting turn this thread has taken, on face value whats the problem enquiring about sales, even if he's not a Holden fan its a reasonable question isn't it?

I'm curious how its selling too, but I think we could all assume both Camry and VE are selling as projected. Long term (as in after 2+ years) I'm curious how the large car segment fares in Australia, ie. will VE, Aurion, Orion etc turn the segment around from the slide in recent years?

[Jac001]

.... VE are selling as projected.


Would projected sales be the same or more or less than VZ was selling? around 5000/ month????

[FunkyPig]

Would projected sales be the same or more or less than VZ was selling? around 5000/ month????
No idea, but surely VE's sold in September were more than an average month of VZ sales, unless sales ramp up as Holden ramps up production, thats a possability.

[monaroCountry1]

I'm curious how the large car segment fares in Australia, ie. will VE, Aurion, Orion etc turn the segment around from the slide in recent years?

Declining sales in Australia would enable Holden to export more LWB cars overseas.

[llucie]

One VE promotional vehicle (at Robina shopping centre) one new Camry on the road !!

[Pickles]

I'm now starting to see a few VEs on the road, but I think it'll take a while before they're "commonplace". However, the failure/success of VE rests not only in the Australian market--Holden have big plans for export with the VE-so in the future, it could be that more are sold overseas than in Aus. But whatever, I reckon the VE wil be an outstanding success.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Dacious]

I've seen a VE on average once every two days. Seen an Omega, which is grey here at work (I'm a contractor working on a Telstra site) and it is likely a lease vehicle - maybe a VZ ordered and replaced with a VE.

Most cars I've seen are SSs, mostly Vs by the look although I haven'y been close enough to be sure. Seen at least two WMs. I do live near a large Holden dealer, but they've all been private plates, not dealers. The dealer now has HSVs I've noticed - yard seemed full of people looking when I drove past Saturday.

Given Holden just exported the first 500 to the M-E and they probably aren't quite up to speed, plus they've had to supply HSV, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold less than 5,000 in September.

[ti0350]

I parked next to a black WM this morng while up at the shops, then a blue SV6 pulled in next to su gee the VY was looking a touch out of place..

[Knight Phlier]

Saw the first new camry on the road yesterday, seen a lot of VE's around Sydney, mainly Omega's, haven't seen a Calais on the road yet or HSV.

[BadMac]

I asked the local dealer (NZ) this morning. He said they had sold above expectations but could have sold way more if they could get stock (SS/SSV/CalaisV). Current back order is for December delivery on either a SSV or Calais V. He did say he had sold 5 Calais V in 2 weeks.

[rs2000]

i usually see the same 2 govt fleet omega's(red m plated) daily on the way to work.

[loser_bob]

Most private buyers of VE have gone for SS, SSV, CalaisV and Caprice. We cant get enought of these models.

SV6 is straight fleet

i dont know why we still make berlina

[Dacious]

Holy snapping duckshit! Telstra, for a full lease wants $19,000 p.a. for an Omega, and $23,000 for an SS! Eighteen months ago, a VZ Exec was $13,500 and a SV6 about $14K. You could get an SS for about $18K. That's everything including juice for 15,000km!

By comparison an XT Falcon is $14,700 for LPG and $16K for petrol, and an XR8 $22k.

You can see the arse is going to fall out of the lease market, with low residuals and high fuel costs compounding high lease prices and also the changes to marginal tax rates making leases less attractive to salary-sacrifices. No wonder Holden is all of a sudden interested in a 4/6 cyl Torana again! I think Holden's strategy is becoming clearer - sell less cars here, and less to fleet at rock-bottom prices. Sell more O/S at top dollar and don't worry about numerical leadership.

Ford just announced 23% less profit for 2005 (first time it's gone backwards for five years), Toyota 22% less and Holden has yet to announce it's decrease. :bawl:

[Ghia351]

Holy snapping duckshit! Telstra, for a full lease wants $19,000 p.a. for an Omega, and $23,000 for an SS! Eighteen months ago, a VZ Exec was $13,500 and a SV6 about $14K. You could get an SS for about $18K. That's everything including juice for 15,000km!

By comparison an XT Falcon is $14,700 for LPG and $16K for petrol, and an XR8 $22k.

You can see the arse is going to fall out of the lease market, with low residuals and high fuel costs compounding high lease prices and also the changes to marginal tax rates making leases less attractive to salary-sacrifices. No wonder Holden is all of a sudden interested in a 4/6 cyl Torana again! I think Holden's strategy is becoming clearer - sell less cars here, and less to fleet at rock-bottom prices. Sell more O/S at top dollar and don't worry about numerical leadership.

Ford just announced 23% less profit for 2005 (first time it's gone backwards for five years), Toyota 22% less and Holden has yet to announce it's decrease. :bawl:
Interesting, obviously Holden's strategy is to lift residuals and not chase as hard for fleet sales however has Ford maintained or dropped their pricing as it's a very big gap atm?

[Zero5]

Interesting, obviously Holden's strategy is to lift residuals and not chase as hard for fleet sales however has Ford maintained or dropped their pricing as it's a very big gap atm?

The Ford prices have remained as is, they have not moved up or down. It's an amazing gap in the prices. I'm sure they won't be selling many at that price.

Are people who are getting novated leases seeing the same thing in the market or is it just Telstra specific??

[VT LS1]

I have seen heaps of VEs, as for Camrys, whos looking?

[Jac001]

Interesting, obviously Holden's strategy is to lift residuals and not chase as hard for fleet sales

Holden seems to be moving from a high volume/ low margin company to one lower volume/ higher margin company.

[ti0350]

Just got this off cars guide didnt give full sales figures but the VE is number 1
VE Commodore sales in August beat Corolla by 839.

[Stevotski]

Just got this off cars guide didnt give full sales figures but the VE is number 1
VE Commodore sales in August beat Corolla by 839.


it is good but a lot of the VE's 'sold' and registered in August would be dealer demonstrators - September will be more telling

[Ghia351]

The Ford prices have remained as is, they have not moved up or down. It's an amazing gap in the prices. I'm sure they won't be selling many at that price.

Are people who are getting novated leases seeing the same thing in the market or is it just Telstra specific??
Thanks Zero5.

[OLS108]

they still make Camerys ???

Good news i shall let my Great grandmother know:lol:

[mustanger]

they still make Camerys ???

Good news i shall let my Great grandmother know:lol:

Make sure she gets a beige one:dancenana:

[jamesd]

Camrys? They're soooo bland that they just blend in! :P

But anyway, i've seen about 3 Camrys, and they were all looked like fleet drivers. I've seen numerous Omegas, SS/SSVs and Calais. Man do they look great on the road.

[Stevotski]

the VFACTS report http://www.fcai.com.au/media/2006/10/00000118.html says that commodore sales are up 8.6% on last september, but with the overall large passenger car segment down 7.1% since then, so commodore must be roasting falcon in sales :diddy:

[QIKMIK]

According to a saleperson at my local dealer, they are selling a few VEs but the biggest problem they are having is with the trade-ins on the old car. People just aren't getting the dollars they need to change over. Everyone he talked to loved the car. He told me that he sold a Calais-V last week and the bloke had $15000 he needed to roll into the new package to move his old car.

Not sure of the full details of the trade but the market is down. If anyone wants a 2003 5.7 Statesman with 48k on it, gerald slaven in Canberra have one on the lot for $36,990. Pretty cheap compare to the old days of dealer used fleets.

Mick

[chops]

The scary part is when you look on Carsales and see the number of 2003 V8 Statesmans going for under $30k

[Marco]

Are people who are getting novated leases seeing the same thing in the market or is it just Telstra specific??

I've thrown the paperwork out now as I'm no longer in the Govt fleet caper, but the figures I had from a few months back showed the Falcon was massively cheaper than Commodore, Camry or 380 to lease - something like 20-30% cheaper for all costs excluding fuel.

[Fnomna]

broken down

Holden Adventra 187
Holden Astra 1,491
Holden Astra Convertible 61
Holden Barina 993
Holden Caprice 167
Holden Commodore 5,262
Holden Monaro 30
Holden Statesman 211
Holden Utility 4X2 787
Holden Utility 4X4 4
Holden Vectra 110
Holden Viva 1,221

Ford Fairlane 87
Ford Falcon 3,563
Ford Falcon Ute 1,259
Ford Fiesta 313
Ford Focus 1,308
Ford LTD 6
Ford Territory 1,418

Mitsubishi 380 963
Mitsubishi Colt 243
Mitsubishi Lancer 1,417
Mitsubishi Magna V6 9
Mitsubishi Outlander 345
Mitsubishi Pajero 375
Mitsubishi Triton 4X2 70
Mitsubishi Triton 4X4 657

Toyota Avensis 130
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 2,845
Toyota Camry V6 247
Toyota Corolla 3,852
Toyota Hilux 4X2 1,339
Toyota Hilux 4X4 1,583
Toyota Kluger 314
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 598
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 803
Toyota Prado 921
Toyota Prius 148
Toyota RAV4 1,207
Toyota Yaris 2,043


August numbers:

Commodore: 4,986 (2600 VEs)
Falcon: 3,703
Camry -4 cyl: 3,023
Camry -6 cyl: 196
380: 1,069

Territory: 1,612
Adventra: 221

Falcon Ute: 1,382
Commodore ute: 1,180

Fairlane: 121
LTD: 6
Statesman: 36
Caprice: 9
Chrysler 300C: 200

[Stevotski]

broken down

Holden Caprice 167
Holden Statesman 211

August numbers:

Caprice: 9
Statesman: 36


It's not hard to tell when people are waiting for a new model!!!

[Dacious]

I wonder how quickly DCX changes it's story to 'oh, well, 300C isn't really competing with the Statesman/Caprice........' To be fair, 300s are in short supply. But nearly 400 large carsales from under 200/month is pretty good, especially as WM supply can't be good yet.

Looks like Camry is about where the old one was, and despite not fully being up to speed with production normal Commodore service is resumed. All the runout deals on superceded Camrys and Corollas are over, and people are obviously resisting buying the new ones at full whack. Ford is doing OK on the back of Falcon and Terri sales - but the Fiesta is dying in the arse. Smallcar segment, good car, lots of awards but too pricey, so few sales.

Check the Barina and Viva sales. If they could get more out of the maxed-out factory in Korea they would probably be giving the Yaris a nudge. So despite all the hoo-ha about NCAP, all the bad road-test writeups and whinging about cheap Korean crap it looks like Holden maybe had the right idea all along. 12,000 per annum is apparently about all they can get.

Astra is still selling very nicely for Holden with the combination of image, features and pricing in that segment, plus the diesels and convertible on runout.

Hopefully the Epica may just kick the Camry in the cojones when they are least expecting it.

[paulvdb]

broken down
September numbers:
Toyota Camry V6: 247

August numbers:
Toyota Camry V6: 196

Hmmm... How many Aurions were Toyota thinking of selling? Some of their marketing managers may Avalon'g holiday if it doesn't sell.

[IH8japauto]

Did anyone read October Wheels mag Inbox letter of the month . I have to agree with that guy 100% . He says there is always going to be one thing missing from Toyota and Mitsu "Aussie" large cars and that is Pedigree - Brilliant !!!
I have always suspected there was less aussie content in an australian built Toyota compared to Holdens and Fords. I read somewhere recently that the VE is around 60% Australian content and the best of the Jap crud is around 20% . I will always buy "Real"Aussie cars.

[Fnomna]

Holden Caprice 167
Holden Commodore 5,262
Holden Monaro 30
Holden Statesman 211
Holden Utility 4X2 787
Holden Utility 4X4 4

Today's paper quotes the Holden guy saying it was around 4100 VEs and the rest were wagons and runout VZs.

[Jac001]

that is Pedigree - Brilliant !!!
I have always suspected there was less aussie content in an australian built Toyota compared to Holdens and Fords. I read somewhere recently that the VE is around 60% Australian content and the best of the Jap crud is around 20% . I will always buy "Real"Aussie cars.


Umm i think what they mean by pedigree is that their is a long history of holden and ford making and selling cars in australia, where as mitsi and toyta don't have 40-50 years of production in australia.

I think the Aussie content in all the australian biult cars ins fairly similar around the 60-70%.

(i beleive ford and mitsi's are at the top end of that scale and holden near the bottom, byut that is only speculation).


Today's paper quotes the Holden guy saying it was around 4100 VEs and the rest were wagons and runout VZs.

4100 Ve/WM! :) thats a lot better than i expected.

[Marco]

Hmmm... How many Aurions were Toyota thinking of selling? Some of their marketing managers may Avalon'g holiday if it doesn't sell.

After the embarassment of never meeting their Avalon sales targets, Toyota isn't saying how many Aurions they hope to sell. My prediction would be that sales will finish up in the 1500-2000 a month range, based on what the Magna V6 used to do in its prime and Camry V6 sales.

One thing's for sure though, a lot of Aurion sales will come from the 380's tally, and with that car doing less than 1000 a month as it is...


Hopefully the Epica may just kick the Camry in the cojones when they are least expecting it.

I read somewhere a week or two ago that the ADR fuel consumption figure for the Epica 2.0 was something like 8.3l/100km - that should give the gas guzzler Camry some trouble in the marketplace, with its 9.9l/100km figure.

I'm in two minds about Epica. On the one hand, I want it to smack the Camry around because I think Toyota has an attitude problem and make really boring cars. On the other hand, Camry sales create Aussie jobs...

[Road Warrior]

Well in that case everyone should support the 380 rather than the Camry because the writing is on the wall for Mitsubishi's future in Australia :(

[EfiJy]

holden should sport rwd badges on commodore just to highlight its handling &safety advange over camry aurion and other small fwd cars. they should oneup toyotas refrigerator products by highlighting superior driveability that is synonimous with german cars liek merc and bmw. that way holden could justify the higher ask for ve. :bravo:

[BadMac]

NZ Figures for Sept.

1 HOLDEN COMMODORE 834
2 FORD FALCON 502
3 TOYOTA COROLLA 456
4 FORD FOCUS 355
5 TOYOTA CAMRY 343
6 HONDA JAZZ 228
7 HOLDEN VIVA 203
8 MAZDA MAZDA6 199
9 SUZUKI SWIFT 185
10 DAIHATSU SIRION 178

http://www.car.co.nz/newsevents.asp?articleid=12476

[HSVMAN]

NZ Figures for Sept.

1 HOLDEN COMMODORE 834
2 FORD FALCON 502
3 TOYOTA COROLLA 456
4 FORD FOCUS 355
5 TOYOTA CAMRY 343
6 HONDA JAZZ 228
7 HOLDEN VIVA 203
8 MAZDA MAZDA6 199
9 SUZUKI SWIFT 185
10 DAIHATSU SIRION 178

http://www.car.co.nz/newsevents.asp?articleid=12476

Apparently the best NZ Commodore month in over 20 years. VE were available for 3 weeks in Sept

[seldo]

....... I think Toyota has an attitude problem and make really boring cars. On the other hand, Camry sales create Aussie jobs...
As a car manufacturer, Toyota make remarkably good reliable white-goods..

[djsmi1]

Yeah Toyota are reliable and boring, and Holden are exciting but less reliable.

Thats why Toyota sell so well to conservative people

[FunkyPig]

Yeah Toyota are reliable and boring, and Holden are exciting but less reliable.

Thats why Toyota sell so well to conservative people
If Toyota start making exciting cars Holden better be ready in that case.

[Ghia351]

Apparently the best NZ Commodore month in over 20 years. VE were available for 3 weeks in Sept

Hi HSVMAN,
Just out of curiosity, what sort of government duties/taxes does NZ governmnet charge for cars and does it favour smaller vehicles or make no differentiation to price/size/engine size or source of car?

[BadMac]

Hi HSVMAN,
Just out of curiosity, what sort of government duties/taxes does NZ governmnet charge for cars and does it favour smaller vehicles or make no differentiation to price/size/engine size or source of car?

As far as I know there are no special taxes on car size, ie no Luxury Tax (Yet). We just have a uniform 12.5% GST on all cars. We don't have tariffs or subsidies either. So unless there is something built in to the RRP there are no hidden taxes.

[HSVMAN]

Hi HSVMAN,
Just out of curiosity, what sort of government duties/taxes does NZ governmnet charge for cars and does it favour smaller vehicles or make no differentiation to price/size/engine size or source of car?

We are fortunate in that department Ghia.
Badmac is correct. The only difference is initial registration which accounts for no of cylinders but we are talking a small difference.
However the same cars here are dearer when new. Holden Aus sells to Holden NZ. Neither are related financially (Holden NZ owned directly by GM) so Holden NZ cops a "margin" before it onsells to Dealers hence a greater increase than mere dollar value :)

[KeenGolfer]

According to Carpoint:

"Commodore sales rose 8.5 per cent last month compared to September 2005, in the first full month of retail activity for the new model."

5262 sold in Sep.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2087439.aspx

[Fnomna]

Gee how the market has changed
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=20803&vf=2


Sales figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries for September show that Holden sold 5255 Commodores in the new model's first full month on sale. However, once the 1100 superseded Commodores (including almost 700 wagons) are taken into account, the figure drops to 4155 - just 592 more than the ageing Ford Falcon, now the oldest model in the large car market, and 303 more than the Toyota Corolla.

The September result provides a contrast with the debut of the last all-new Commodore, which in 1997 notched up 7448 sales in its first full month on sale and 8152 the month after.


8152 in a month!
Remember reading somewhere that over 300000 VTs were made - a Commodore record.


One industry source says Holden has cut Telstra's discount from 39 per cent off retail to just 21 per cent.
So they should. Don't give Tel$tra any special prices - they don't for us!


A fleet manager at a rival manufacturer says "the phones lit up" when Holden told dealers of its fleet pricing strategy. One source claims Holden has lost "half-a-dozen" fleets since the launch of the new Commodore.
Wonder how long Holden can keep this up.

[monaroCountry1]

Wonder how long Holden can keep this up.

Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The plan seems to be 1) increase private sale 2) decrease fleet incentives and 3) increase high profit exports.

Holdens already looking at opening up America, Russia, China and Korea (along with Europe).

[Falcon Freak]

Now it is clear why I started this thread. I heard murmurs last month that VE wasn't selling in the anticipated numbers. Hence why I asked you guys on LS1 if anybody could confirm this news.

FF

[EfiJy]

Now it is clear why I started this thread. I heard murmurs last month that VE wasn't selling in the anticipated numbers. Hence why I asked you guys on LS1 if anybody could confirm this news.

FF

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

btw have a read of this falcon freak http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20558568-643,00.html

[NODDY347]

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

btw have a read of this falcon freak http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20558568-643,00.html

Quote:
Sales figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries for September show that Holden sold 5255 Commodores in the new model's first full month on sale. However, once the 1100 superseded Commodores (including almost 700 wagons) are taken into account, the figure drops to 4155 - just 592 more than the ageing Ford Falcon, now the oldest model in the large car market

[Falcon Freak]

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

wtf?

mate have u been hiding under a rock for the past 2 months or are you tryin to stir sh!t?

haven't you read anythign in this thread? the points raised here mention that holden are selling the cars at a premium over vz and falcon. holden are also no longer selling cars at the same disscounted rates to fleets.

holden are also workign at maximum capacity on 2 shifts and hacve a full export orderbook. holden stopped working 3 shiifts when they were making vt/vx/vz a while ago. they will nevcer sell 8000 ves while on 2 shifts.

and while im on a roll, holden did sell almost twice as many commodores as falcons during september.

wooo holden are in serious trrouble:eyes:rofl: :flipoff:

btw have a read of this falcon freak http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20558568-643,00.html

Why is it so difficult to have an intelligent conversation on this forum? I only asked for confirmation or other of what I heard. Some of the comments regarding VE sales came directly from people who work at Holden.

FF

[HSVMAN]

Quote:
Sales figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries for September show that Holden sold 5255 Commodores in the new model's first full month on sale. However, once the 1100 superseded Commodores (including almost 700 wagons) are taken into account, the figure drops to 4155 - just 592 more than the ageing Ford Falcon, now the oldest model in the large car market

Official numbers are more than Holden had budgeted for. In Aust & now NZ Holden dealers have reported unprecedented sales for Sept 06 hence there are now delivery delays with some premium models.
Fleet models are largely unaffected although it will be interesting to see where the BFII Falcon is priced for fleet as some companies who buy on price have been snapping up the last of the VZ models or buying BF run-out which if you think about it...... Holden helped Falcon sales and still had great month!

The Holden wagon was not superseded either, it remains as VZ-E spec until 2008 so numbers are included with Commodore :)

[Zero5]

"One industry source says Holden has cut Telstra's discount from 39 per cent off retail to just 21 per cent."

...well all I can say is that when comparing the fleet pricing on offer to Telstra, I don't know too many people (even the most loyal Holden supporters) that could justify the huge price increase over the opposition models. An Omega for about the same price as and XR6T doesn't really stack up....

[HSVMAN]

"One industry source says Holden has cut Telstra's discount from 39 per cent off retail to just 21 per cent."

...well all I can say is that when comparing the fleet pricing on offer to Telstra, I don't know too many people (even the most loyal Holden supporters) that could justify the huge price increase over the opposition models. An Omega for about the same price as and XR6T doesn't really stack up....

Neither does losing 30% off retail price in first 5 mins of owning your new car - in BF XR6 its currently 50%!
Hopefully Ford will take the same steps which I am predicting will happen -otherwise they are going to continue down the same track.....

[Zero5]

So the record days for new car sales is over then.

It will be very interesting to see who holds there nerve the longest. Will Ford buckle to the resale values of their cars or will Holden buckle to sell more new cars. Time will tell (problem is I don't have much time, only have 3 months until I need to order a new one...)

[HSVMAN]

So the record days for new car sales is over then.

It will be very interesting to see who holds there nerve the longest. Will Ford buckle to the resale values of their cars or will Holden buckle to sell more new cars. Time will tell (problem is I don't have much time, only have 3 months until I need to order a new one...)

How so (record days are over)? Bit early yet. We had a record month for the 3 weeks in Sept they were on sale here and look to beat that again this month

Holden have made the stand and they will not buckle they have made it clear. Otherwise what's the point of trying to recover resale values? Cant have it both ways

[Dacious]

Ford guys have since BA came out that the 'inferior' Commodore only outsold the Falcon on the back of better buy price for fleets. Well, now is the ideal time to prove this is correct. Ford's got a stockpile of BAIIs - they can now unload them while Holden is unbending on VE prices, and VEs are in short supply.

[Zero5]

How so (record days are over)? Bit early yet. We had a record month for the 3 weeks in Sept they were on sale here and look to beat that again this month

If the fleets are not as heavily discounted less people will be buying new cars. The reason we have had record years is because novated leases were effective and there were large discounts for fleets. New tax rates means novated leases are less effective and fleets are not recieving the big discounts (not to mention other stuff like fuel prices and interest rates). My opinon (and it's only that) is that we will see less new cars sold.

[Fnomna]

How so (record days are over)? Bit early yet.

8152 in a month at VT time. Is there any chance VE will come close to that?

[HSVMAN]

8152 in a month at VT time. Is there any chance VE will come close to that?

Sorry I was talking about now not then. I doubt it very much though due to different climate/market etc. NZ market has already sold most Commodores in 20 years (Sept) but I dont think Aussie will although they are recording good numbers

[Ghia351]

How so (record days are over)? Bit early yet. We had a record month for the 3 weeks in Sept they were on sale here and look to beat that again this month

Holden have made the stand and they will not buckle they have made it clear. Otherwise what's the point of trying to recover resale values? Cant have it both ways
You might be right although lol, you do remind me of the old Iraqi Minister for Information......http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/#quotes

I admire your passion. Although if local sales slow and exports can't pick up the slack then we all know what eventually will happen.

As to the major opposition, Ford Oz will today announce a production rate drop and probably voluntary redundancies while still hiring as many engineers as possible, even from OS. Tough times indeed.

[clixanup]

You might be right although lol, you do remind me of the old Iraqi Minister for Information......
Well, he is a car salesman.

I admire your passion.
Don't mention split/fold rear seats (or the glaring omission that is the lack thereof...), because HSVMan has been known to burst blood vessels discussing it.

As to the major opposition, Ford Oz will today announce a production rate drop and probably voluntary redundancies while still hiring as many engineers as possible, even from OS. Tough times indeed.
Manufacturing in this country is in a sorry state. We can only hope that we'll survive this slump without too many more business casualties.

[Dacious]

My bet is Costello will ease the FBT rates to let the lease market recover a little - if you buy an Aussie car. THe motor industy will shortly be screaming about job losses. If the situation is bad at Ford it'll be chronic at Mitsu.

OTOH, the used car market running out of late model, good used cars is a good opportunity to get some new sales running, especially at the reduced prices.

[clixanup]

My bet is Costello will ease the FBT rates to let the lease market recover a little.
Bahahahahahahaha :rofl:

[monaroCountry1]

Wouldnt it be better for holden if they sold more high end cars both at home and overseas? It seems that Holdens no longer aiming for the sales number but profit numbers................

More premium LWB cars to middle east, china, Korea and now even Australia.

Holdens strategy IMO are better for the company in the long term. Toyota Aust this year sold the most cars but their profit has actually dip to around $56million, which is far lower than both Holden and Ford Aust.

Australia could always manipulate its currency like Japan.

[HSVMAN]

Wouldnt it be better for holden if they sold more high end cars both at home and overseas? It seems that Holdens no longer aiming for the sales number but profit numbers................
More premium LWB cars to middle east, china, Korea and now even Australia.

Holdens strategy IMO are better for the company in the long term. Toyota Aust this year sold the most cars but their profit has actually dip to around $56million, which is far lower than both Holden and Ford Aust.
Australia could always manipulate its currency like Japan.

Watch out you'll have a rabid Toyota fan at your throat for saying that ;)
Or should I call them "anti Holden" fans...

It looks like Ford will follow suit with pricing/Fleet discounts according to a source close to the pulse..... which is all good of course.

Holden are aiming for sales numbers although further afield perhaps. Already we are putting them under considerable pressure wit large forward orders. It looks like LWB is going to be a hit also including Caprice which never really sold in numbers in NZ


You might be right although lol, you do remind me of the old Iraqi Minister for Information......http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/#quotes
I admire your passion. Although if local sales slow and exports can't pick up the slack then we all know what eventually will happen.
As to the major opposition, Ford Oz will today announce a production rate drop and probably voluntary redundancies while still hiring as many engineers as possible, even from OS. Tough times indeed.

Ive been likened to a few people before however that is a new one but thanks I like it!

I must say I have never been "passionate" about cars in the way I am about VE.
Just had a loyal BMW owner look at a Caprice and say "now that's class".
Not saying it was better than his M3 or 545i but he is giving me a deposit cheque tomorrow.

BTW Ghia, I hope that isnt true about Ford dude. And who's your mate (clixanup) :D