Ford Territory Turbo a dud?

[MonoJoker]

Seems like it:

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_3065/article.html

Pricewise it seems very competitive against the rest of the Territory range but sounds like the straight line performance improvements come with big tradeoffs in ride and handling.

I am yet to actually see one on the road despite the rather optimistic marketing campaign promoting it as a supercar swallower...

Cheers
LT.

[Venom XR]

I've seen a few on the road, and the guys on AFF in the Terri section are quite happy with theirs. Owners happy versus some review? I know which matters most...

[CarlFST60L]

I couldnt stand the marketing approach they took.. the TV adverts were just stupid...

I know there are a couple of 11 second street trim ones around :yup:

[BLACK expreSS-V]

It is actually a good review. Its just the purpose of the vehicle and the review criteria hasn't been matched. Its like saying a BMW M5 uses too much petrol or a Hyundai Getz doesn't tow a trailer very well.

The real two issues the reviewer has is off road ride and fuel economy.

Hello... If you want fuel economy do not buy a 4x4 - buy a Toyota Echo. If you want to do serious 4x4 work buy a Cruiser or Patrol.

The reality is that this car was designed for a single purpose - those that need a bit of space for kids but dont want to buy a tarago, and will NEVER go off road, well maybe a trip to the snow every second year.. This vehicle lets dad have his XR6 while mum can fit all the groceries, look good dropping the kids off and have 7 seats if the kids fight.

Hang on, I'm a die hard holden man defending a ford - whats the world coming to?

:hide:

[planetdavo]

....sounds like the straight line performance improvements come with big tradeoffs in ride and handling.
LT.
Any top heavy "SUV" (hate that term) have big trade offs in ride and handling. The further off the road they are, the more it should be obvious.
I've seen a couple, but considering they look virtually identical to the "Mum's taxi" Territory's, it's pretty easy to miss them.

[shrapnel]

Turbo or not, they'll be blocking your view on the roads. You'll feel compelled to switch lanes. Turbo badge will then encourage inappropriate road behaviour. Verdict: stop its production and make the roads safer before it's too late! There should be a petition against 4x4s. Am I right or am I right. :bravo:

Also, I'm afraid if I pass one it'll eat me alive :yup:

Or simply 'eat me' ? :lol:

[JimmyXR6T04]

It is actually a good review. Its just the purpose of the vehicle and the review criteria hasn't been matched. Its like saying a BMW M5 uses too much petrol or a Hyundai Getz doesn't tow a trailer very well.

The real two issues the reviewer has is off road ride and fuel economy.

Hello... If you want fuel economy do not buy a 4x4 - buy a Toyota Echo. If you want to do serious 4x4 work buy a Cruiser or Patrol.

The reality is that this car was designed for a single purpose - those that need a bit of space for kids but dont want to buy a tarago, and will NEVER go off road, well maybe a trip to the snow every second year.. This vehicle lets dad have his XR6 while mum can fit all the groceries, look good dropping the kids off and have 7 seats if the kids fight.

Hang on, I'm a die hard holden man defending a ford - whats the world coming to?

:hide:

i totally agree mate. Exactly like people who buy a performance car V8 or 6T or whatever it is, and complain when it uses fuel :confused:

Its a car targetted at those people who need or "want" the extra room with the slight performance of the XR6 motor. I for one, would buy one if i had too many kids to fit in a normal sedan XR6. Not only that, everyone knows how easy it is to mod those engines.. there will be some tough terry's out there soon enough. For under 5k of mods, you can have the equivalent to 300rwkw sedan.. whether the all wheel drive handles it, and whether it actually relates to that much power who knows, but its power on tap no matter which way you look at it.

Shrapnel, I do agree with the whole 4x4 comment and blocking views. I'm not a fan of them on streets. I don't mind real 4x4s, that are used off road and also as a daily driver. I hate the "cosmetic" 4x4s that people think they "need". But i don't think the terry comes into that category. Then again, i'm sure there are people out there that will buy these cars, who don't actually need the room for the kids or whatever :confused: why? beats me... my sedan has plenty of room!

[shrapnel]

But i don't think the terry comes into that category. Then again, i'm sure there are people out there that will buy these cars, who don't actually need the room for the kids or whatever :confused:
I agree 100% with real off-roaders having no design choice. But for so many reasons the whole concept of a real 4x4 designed to go fast is contradictory. How many of real 4x4s go very fast?

Logically it follows that when you take an SUV like this, slap a turbo badge on it, you'll get the buyers who are as confused as to what they want to drive as is the factory that makes them. Still, I don't doubt there will be a market for them. :)

[lowriding]

fair review . Simple fact is the vehicle will always be flawed - it will never be as good as a XR6t from performance point of view and never as good as a Territory as a family truckster . If people want a SUV with a turbo it's there for them though ,their choice. But in honesty the buyers cant expect brilliance.The saying that springs to mind has always been "jack of all trades master of none ".
It's a compromise of 2 vehicles and wont be as good as either.

[Lucifer]

I agree 100% with real off-roaders having no design choice. But for so many reasons the whole concept of a real 4x4 designed to go fast is contradictory. How many of real 4x4s go very fast?

Logically it follows that when you take an SUV like this, slap a turbo badge on it, you'll get the buyers who are as confused as to what they want to drive as is the factory that makes them. Still, I don't doubt there will be a market for them. :)


Hey Shrapnel,

I will bet you whatever you can afford that there IS a market out there for this vehicle. To quantify this statement, I am sure they will sell more than any direct competitor on the market.

How's that for a bet? Product marketing is my world and the fact that we are even debating the merits of this car means that the marketing approach is working beautifully.

[shrapnel]

Hey Shrapnel,

I will bet you whatever you can afford that there IS a market out there for this vehicle. To quantify this statement, I am sure they will sell more than any direct competitor on the market.

How's that for a bet? Product marketing is my world and the fact that we are even debating the merits of this car means that the marketing approach is working beautifully.

Uh.. what are we betting on again? I said I don't doubt there's a market :) A confused market but market nonetheless.

[LSavvy]

Turbo or not, they'll be blocking your view on the roads. You'll feel compelled to switch lanes. Turbo badge will then encourage inappropriate road behaviour. Verdict: stop its production and make the roads safer before it's too late! There should be a petition against 4x4s. Am I right or am I right. :bravo:

Also, I'm afraid if I pass one it'll eat me alive :yup:

Or simply 'eat me' ? :lol:

Yes they will block your view, like every van, truck, bus and whatever else.

Your VZ V8 M6 would probably encourage more inappropriate driving,

If you want a petition against 4x4, you will probably end up with more petitions against V8's and smaller turbo cars,

To say stop production based on your views, V8 holdens and fords would have been outlawed years ago.

It's drivers that need the training in driving that add to the road toll, have not seen many mothers going sideways dropping of the kids to school,
Yes i agree that the height increases rollover, but education and age limit is the key here in conjuction with a different class of license.

Maybe a petition against bull bars in city's would be a better idea,

PS, I also hate being stuck behind higher vehicles.
NO i am not a fan of ford or 4x4's.

[Lucifer]

Uh.. what are we betting on again? I said I don't doubt there's a market :) A confused market but market nonetheless.

My mistake. Sincere apologies.

[shrapnel]

It's drivers that need the training in driving that add to the road toll, have not seen many mothers going sideways dropping of the kids to school


Didn't see many mothers needing a turbo to drop off kids to school either, which is my point. Regarding the other things you seem to have latched on, it was a joke mate, hence the smileys (hint) :)

[JimmyXR6T04]

I agree 100% with real off-roaders having no design choice. But for so many reasons the whole concept of a real 4x4 designed to go fast is contradictory. How many of real 4x4s go very fast?

Logically it follows that when you take an SUV like this, slap a turbo badge on it, you'll get the buyers who are as confused as to what they want to drive as is the factory that makes them. Still, I don't doubt there will be a market for them. :)

I think most buyers of these cars know what they want. Why wouldn't you want a territory with extra grunt? I would buy one if i needed the room for the kids or whatever, as my budget wouldn't allow me an XR6T, plus a car with room for the kids, it would be one or the other.. so why not combine the two? I just hope that australia doesn't become fixated on the whole SUV thing like america... Provided its still practical for my needs, i'd take the sedan any day.


Didn't see many mothers needing a turbo to drop off kids to school either, which is my point. Regarding the other things you seem to have latched on, it was a joke mate, hence the smileys (hint) :)

i understand what you're saying about mothers not needing a turbo... but the father might. If it was a family car, it can easily serve two purposes... a bit of fun for the dad, while being practical for mum and the kids.

My missus already wants one, and we're only expecting our first child. Mind you, she doesn't want the turbo model, not after what i've done to the sedan :lol:

[LSavvy]

Didn't see many mothers needing a turbo to drop off kids to school either, which is my point. Regarding the other things you seem to have latched on, it was a joke mate, hence the smileys (hint) :)

No probs mate, was just putting my thoughts forward in regards to 4x4's, not having a dig at you.

You tend to hear the same thing in the media, also the death toll has gone up after the gov banned high performance cars and limits on P plates (car is not the prob but drivers).

I think any car is capable of being a death trap, from datto 120Y up.

[Tron2004]

Yes they will block your view, like every van, truck, bus and whatever else.

Your VZ V8 M6 would probably encourage more inappropriate driving,
I dunno, I've come across many a 4x4 whose driver thinks that their vehicle can keep pace or even outpace a 5.7 litre V8.

They try, they fail... What I can't understand is why do they even try? :doh:

[German Statesman]

Just another mumtruck to dodge in the shopping centres and schools :flip2:

Having said that, the original Terror-tory ad with the mums dressed like truckies leaning on their Patrols and 'cruisers was a classic.

Cheers

JOHN

[ti0350]

I dunno, I've come across many a 4x4 whose driver thinks that their vehicle can keep pace or even outpace a 5.7 litre V8.

They try, they fail... What I can't understand is why do they even try? :doh:

Had some woman in a 4x4 try and do this to me today

[EfiJy]

how could the terri t be a dud? its one of the best 4wds in the world.

[FunkyPig]

Can't please some reviewers, this guy would be complaining more if Ford didn't do the obvious turbo 6 Territory version.
Now for an "FPV F6 Hurricane"...

[Angelo_XLR8]

its a Nich' market imo. a turbo 4wd marketed towards familys as a run about daily driver. it no different to an X5 or Porshe cayyene in that sense.

women in 4x4s who rekon they can take out my falcon at the lights really shit me. its a damn good feeling schooling them though.


truth be told. 99% of the time ppl aim to get around 4wds because they block our vision of the road. and its worse for ppl with lower cars. fact of life. im not saying to ban them. its just an observation.

[EXXPLICIT]

My Dad's had a cayenne turbo for a year now...........that IS an absolute animal, and drives like a car, with 450hp and 650nm on tap factory.........didn't show one in the tv advert tho :)

[JimmyXR6T04]

I dunno, I've come across many a 4x4 whose driver thinks that their vehicle can keep pace or even outpace a 5.7 litre V8.

They try, they fail... What I can't understand is why do they even try? :doh:

:lol: wont be long till some one mods a turbo terry and give you a decent run. I think horsepower factory have already started one!! Think of how little mods are needed to get 300rwkw out of an XR6T... the modded turbo terry's will be a real sleeper!!

[SS Enforcer]

I am a real fan of the Territory I think they are the best looking 4x4 out there.

I guess the turbo is just a cheaper version of the Porsche Cayyene.

If I was ever going to buy a 4x4 it would be a Territory but i'm not so I won't :lol:

There will be a market there for it .

The review suggested that at 14 kpl the average fuel usage was poor I reckon that is pretty good for the type of vehicle it is.

cheers

[ratter]

:lol: wont be long till some one mods a turbo terry and give you a decent run. I think horsepower factory have already started one!! Think of how little mods are needed to get 300rwkw out of an XR6T... the modded turbo terry's will be a real sleeper!!


Nizpro built their own turbo territory a while ago for the owners wife to use eveyday, they took it aout to calder one night, ran it with the 20 inch wheels on it and ran mid 11's as drive everyday day

[Martin_D]

Turbo Territory really is a car without a purpose, and thats after I was looking at one very seriously.
Its way too expensive at $56 for the base model no leather
Way too thirsty (couldnt get better than 17l/100km around town)
and in stock form, is no great ball of fire....

Which is why we went for an SSV instead. Cheaper, better, about 10 years more modern in most ways :)

[JimmyXR6T04]

Nizpro built their own turbo territory a while ago for the owners wife to use eveyday, they took it aout to calder one night, ran it with the 20 inch wheels on it and ran mid 11's as drive everyday day

actually i remember reading about the nizpro one. thats awesome for a 4wd.

Street tuna, bit of a lopsided argument going for an SSV, the cars are completely different, and for different purposes, i dare say if you couldn't afford two nice cars (not saying you can, or can't or implying anything, just generalising), and had 4 kids or more, the terry would have got the nod. But i agree with you, if i didn't need the space, i'd take the SSV any day of the week.

[Martin_D]

Correct I really didnt need the space (have two young girls) of Terri, but looked at all sorts of cars ranging from Gold TDi (poorly built, overpriced, good engine), Turbo Terri (overpriced, low rent), C200 Kompressor (welcome back to 1990 and Astron 2.6 grunt), and VE SSV. Now the interesting thing is that trading a 2003 Xtrail Ti, The Holden was the second cheapest car in the bunch, and only $5K more money changeover than the shabbily built Golf. Then Holden did a deal on putting the Calais drop down DVD player in the SSV for another $1200. Snapped that up :)
The Turbo Terri (Ghia as I needed the leather seats, was a smidge over $50K changeover, the SSV was $20K less)
There really was no other option :)

[ratter]

My Missus wants a territory for any future rugrats and we were thinking turbo model, after driving one and then going through the prices it was a little hard to justify the expense, especially whan you start to add a few extras.

[Martin_D]

The 'smartest' and best value Terri is the base model :)

[ratter]

The only drama with the base model is it is RWD and not the 6 speed auto

[JimmyXR6T04]

The 'smartest' and best value Terri is the base model :)

yep, its a real shame that it costs so much to option them up a little bit. If they did the leather/sports leather seats and few extras for the 50k price, then i'm sure they'd be more appealing. Owning an XR i can tell you that i will never buy a base model XR. I love the feel and look of the suede/leather seats and upholstery, it really adds to the visual appeal of the car.

In saying that though, when the time comes and the kids are all over the car, dropping food, etc etc, i think i might take the base model without leather then!

[FPV GTHO]

I'd be interested to see if some of the people here criticising the Terri Turbo have/had a similar opinion of the V8 Adventra. The base model's might be aimed at slightly different markets, but both the T6/V8 versions are essentially following the same trend.

[Tron2004]

Nizpro built their own turbo territory a while ago for the owners wife to use eveyday, they took it aout to calder one night, ran it with the 20 inch wheels on it and ran mid 11's as drive everyday day
Arh, that reminds me.
What's the go these day with 4x4 owners shoving humongous wheels with low profile tyres on em?
I tell ya's, IMHO they look soooooo dick!!! :spew: