New Grange

[kermatt]

The new Grange was released today at the motor show and details are at HSV's web site:

http://www.hsv.com.au/index_eseries.asp

The PDF brouchure that can be downloaded has the purple paint job (metamorphous???)

Holden Special Vehicles Grange debuts at Sydney International Motor Show.

Combining an elegant, individual sense of style with traditional HSV hard edged performance cues, the WM Grange has debuted at the Sydney International Motor Show ahead of its wider Australian release in 2007.

Managing Director of Holden Special Vehicles Mr Phil Harding said the all new Grange provided the ultimate in Australian luxury with an engine and suspension package destined to make the WM a ‘classic’.

“We are delighted to welcome the WM Grange to the HSV range, which combines all the luxury and performance of the E series in a roomy, completely new, long wheel based edition”, Mr Harding said.

“The Grange is everything the Australian public have come to expect from a car wearing the Holden Special Vehicle badge, at a price that will make overseas ‘competitors’ blush”.

Mr Harding said he expected strong demand for the Grange within Australia but were also confident of continuing the HSV push internationally.

“We are intending to build on the successful export of Grange into China, exploring new markets for this new Grange”, Mr Harding said.

Styling and design

WM Grange continues the HSV mantra of ‘Luxury and Performance’. The emphasis is on restrained elegance giving only a hint of the model’s true performance potential.

Front facia and rear bib are totally unique – the front featuring an understated premium European-style chrome grille complemented by a thin chrome surround for the lower intake. The chrome theme continues on the window surrounds. Elegant 10-spoke 19-inch alloy wheel add further sophistication to the side elevation.

At the rear there’s a subtle lower diffuser, a set of four premium exhaust tips, a flush mounted rear spoiler and discreet Grange badging. Hi-tech LED rear lamps give a low, wide look to the rear of the car.

Interior styling is everything you would expect in HSV’s top or the range luxury model. Colour combinations and quality trim materials have been carefully selected to reinforce the sophisticated individual character and unique seating offers excellent lateral support and sumptuous comfort.

Grange also offers a no-cost option of ‘Light Urban’ trim which is designed to contrast to the standard dark ‘Onyx’ trim throughout. By using classic horizontal colour elements set in relief against the dark lower and upper cabin trims, it creates a high class interior ambience that’s very much typical of European flagship models. Other sporting highlights include a unique HSV instrument cluster and a chunky design steering wheel rim.

Engineering and technology

The Grange is designed to deliver the most comfortable and luxurious ride possible, while staying true to the famous HSV performance requirements.

Under the bonnet the unique-to-HSV 6.0 litre LS2 V8 now produces 307kW @ 6000 rpm (up from 297kW @ 6000rpm) and 550Nm @ 4400rpm (from 530Nm @ 4400rpm) thanks to a revised intake and exhaust system (including new smooth flowing ‘four-into-two-into-one’ tubular extractors) and a 24 month program to refine the engine calibrations, positioning Grange as one of the fastest luxury/sports limousines in the world.

As a complete performance package, brake performance is now also at the very top tier of world class. Developed in conjunction with AP Racing, the all new system consists of enormous (365mm front and 350mm rear) grooved and ventilated rotors complete with extremely rigid HSV specific four piston front callipers that reduce flexing and improve pedal feel and performance. It’s backed up by the latest HSV-tuned Bosch ABS system and more linear friction levels from the new brake pad material.

Electronic driving aids have become a major HSV feature and the Grange receives the full arsenal, including ABS, Traction Control and Stability Control, which together form Electronic Stability Control (ESC). The ESC system has been developed, calibrated and tested specifically to HSV requirements to ensure it perfectly matches the Grange’s new suspension technology and delivers improved overall safety levels without detracting from the traditional HSV driving experience.

The advanced technology of the all new Magnetic Ride Control (MRC) system instantly gives the Grange a significant edge over every locally manufactured vehicle and all but a precious few European models. Developed over 3 ½ years at a cost of $4.5 million, this electronically controlled damper system offers Grange drivers two modes – ‘Luxury’ or ‘Performance’ – that transform their vehicle from a luxury ride bias to race track inspired chassis at the press of a dash mounted button. Metal particles suspended in the magneto–rheological fluid within each damper respond to changes in an internal magnetic field to provide continuously variable damping force without any mechanical delays.

To further exploit the rear grip of the new chassis, the front and rear wheel sizes now differ in width – 8-inch front and 9.5-inch rears. 19-inch wheels remain standard and they’re joined by new tyres specifically developed in conjunction with Bridgestone and featuring unique construction, belt angle and tread compound tuned to the hi-tech suspension system.

Grange highlights

LS2 6 Litre V8 (307KW and 550Nm)
6L80 E six-speed automatic transmission
HSV Premium Four-Piston Brake System
Exclusive ‘Luxury Performance’ body styling
19-inch alloy wheels
Unique Grange leather seats and interior
Optional ‘Light Urban’ trim (no-cost)
ESC – Electronic Stability Control
MRC – Magnetic Ride Control
Unique HSV instrument cluster and steering wheel
Curtain air bags – six air bags in total
Rain sensing wipers
Rear, headrest mounted, DVD Player
Tyre pressure monitor
Tri-zone electronic climate control
Bi-Xenon headlights (self levelling)
LED tail lamps, with 10 way electric fronts and three memory settings
Heated exterior mirrors

[cartees]

Here's the first picture I could find from the motor show today.
http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grange.jpg

[dogsballs]

very red. i like the lighter colours in these barges :) . got 307kw, surely there is something in the pipeline for the GTS or special edition GTS

[Black AH CDX]

from www.drive.com.au

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/10/26/hsvgrange76_m_m.jpg


and the purple is called MORPHEOUS

[aahsv]

First impression of the flagship doesn't blow me away, no parking sensors? :sleep:

[chops]

What a surprise, I love it.
Except the red.

[Jac001]

from www.drive.com.au

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/10/26/hsvgrange76_m_m.jpg


and the purple is called MORPHEOUS

Umm the front guards, they don't have the HSV vents, but rather holden guards as per statesman?

[Danv8]

First impression of the flagship doesn't blow me away, no parking sensors? :sleep:

surely you can park without them?.

Even the KW truck I drive does not have them and its harder to reverse with a trailer on. ;)

[Jac001]

Tri-zone electronic climate control



Umm what is tri-zone electronic climate control? is it avaliable on the statesman/ caprice?

[Danv8]

Umm what is tri-zone electronic climate control? is it avaliable on the statesman/ caprice?

I think it might be something to do with the rear passengers.
I know some Chrysler Voyager vans have them.

[ShawnN20]

how come gm gives you guys all the good cars? lol

[Black AH CDX]

Well do u know what Dual Zone is?

Tri zone adds a third zone, which the backseat passangers control. Only in Caprice and Grange

[Dug]

how come gm gives you guys all the good cars? lol

They Don't. HSV take the GM car's and make 'em good!

Well, they make 'em better.

[VooDoo]

LED tail lamps, with 10 way electric fronts and three memory settings

Cool, 10 way tail lamps up front with 3 memory settings.

[cartees]

So the back seat passengers have temperature and fan control too.

I like the red, I think it's the only good thing about it so far... unfortunately.

I'll reserve judgement until I have a look in the flesh.

[ShawnN20]

They Don't. HSV take the GM car's and make 'em good!

Well, they make 'em better.

oh. i learned something new.

the only RWD v8 cars gm makes up here anymore, are the gto and corvette. everything else is fwd. the do make a rwd pontiac solstic and saturn sky, but that are just 4 cyls.

[Jac001]

oh. i learned something new.

the only RWD v8 cars gm makes up here anymore, are the gto and corvette. everything else is fwd. the do make a rwd pontiac solstic and saturn sky, but that are just 4 cyls.

The GTO is one of ours ;)

[ShawnN20]

i know....thats why i say you guys get all of gms good cars!

[csv rulz]

i know....thats why i say you guys get all of gms good cars!

And even then the americans stuffed up the front end of the monaro

[aahsv]

surely you can park without them?.

Even the KW truck I drive does not have them and its harder to reverse with a trailer on. ;)

Truck & trailer with parking sensors......now there's an idea:idea:

[ShawnN20]

And even then the yanks rooted the front end of the monaro

? langauge gap. i'm not sure what you mean. are you saying we ruined it?

i have seen several monaro front end swaps up here.

[Jac001]

trailer with parking sensors......now there's an idea:idea:

I think you have a good idea there.

I know sooo many people that can't reverse a car with a trailer, caravan etc attached... :confused:


? langauge gap. i'm not sure what you mean. are you saying we ruined it?

i have seen several monaro front end swaps up here.


root in australia means the same as f**k

Thats why aussies laugh when yanks say they are rooting for someone / team etc :)

[ShawnN20]

I think you have a good idea there.

I know sooo many people that can't reverse a car with a trailer, caravan etc attached... :confused:

you should see how some americans drive...:spew:

[csv rulz]

Grange looks awesome, Probably looks a bit to much like senator, cant wait to see one in real life, any pics of it side on? from the back?

[cartees]

From what I've seen and read the front end of the Pontiac GTO came from the same styilng studio that gave us a new Commodore with the nose of a truck... GMH.

[ShawnN20]

root in australia means the same as f**k

Thats why aussies laugh when yanks say they are rooting for someone / team etc :)


lol i never knew that. i will have to remember that

[GEN III]

WOW what a half ass attempt at making something new. Wheres the E series vents?

[VZSS250]

Not a bad effort by HSV. That rear lip spolier looks great and wouldn't look bad on the Senator.

Shame the centre stack gauges didn't make it into the Grange...would have thought that the whole conservative approach would have gone out the window once they fitted that bodykit, but no, the gauges were deemed too loud. Go figure.

I would rate this the best looking car in the HSV range...but if I was buying HSV, the track mode MRC is too good to miss...I'd go the GTS despite its Lotus-like styling cues.

[spank]

looks like a long wheel base senator to me and if im paying 90k can i have vents in the guards please, i know its not an "E" series car and its a WM but id still like them anyway, ill be buying one of these for work so hopefully it will grow on me

[X BC X]

WOW what a half ass attempt at making something new. Wheres the E series vents?

ill second that, compared to the effort put into the swb models, this looks thrown together.....

[Danv8]

Im not going to judge it until I see it in the flesh.

But I know it will drive a shit load better than it looks.

[strife]

im glad they didnt do the e series vents on the grange much perfer the stato vent

[chevypower]

yeah... another disappointment for those who got excited anyway, but see cars as they really are - still a Caprice with the Clubsport bits... where are the surprises? Even if it is the burger with the lot, it's still from McDonald's - where's the innovation?

[VZSS250]

im glad they didnt do the e series vents on the grange much perfer the stato vent

Yeah, the E-series vents add yet another panel gap, which spoils the nice lines on the LWB body.

I reckon it looks fantastic. Can't expect too much.

[spank]

[QUOTE=chevypower;753908] Even if it is the burger with the lot, it's still from McDonald's QUOTE]

im p*ssing myself over here :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Danv8]

So far I like it they didn't make it look tacky (anyone remember that WH Grange grill?)

I know I would be happy with one if someone gave one to me for free.

At least HSV is trying unlike FPV. :1peek:

[jerrel]

thank god they didnt put the weird tail lights on it.

[VooDoo]

So far I like it they didn't make it look tacky (anyone remember that WH Grange grill?)

I know I would be happy with one if someone gave one to me for free.

At least HSV is trying unlike FPV. :1peek:

The WH Grill was the best feature. I think it looked awesome.

[cartees]

I posted the red grange in post #1 but it got crossed up with an illustration/photoedit I did for my my thoughts on the new Grange in the photochop section of multi media.

Here's both in case anyone is looking for the original red one.

http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grangenew.jpg
http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grange.jpg

[Danv8]

The WH Grill was the best feature. I think it looked awesome.


Each to their own really.
It just looks like a mouth full of metal teeth with something lodged in the middle of it. :)

Although on a black grange it more looked like a gangsta car. :)

[cartees]

I have to agree VooDoo, HSV can only dream of the styling integrity they had when Ian Callum was on the drawing board penning the body kits.

The WH Grange to me was a styling benchmark, taking a sloppy looking Ford Taurus styled Statesman and giving it a taught performance inspired styling.

[VZSS250]

They should use the wreath in the badge...for the true believers. What? Are they ashamed of the Statesman heritage?

The WH was undoubtedly a beautiful beast...never has such a large car looked so sleek and tough. And thankfully that continued with WK-WL

[Belzey]

ill second that, compared to the effort put into the swb models, this looks thrown together.....


I agree too. Just does not look special enough for the $ you pay for one.

[Ghosn]

The WH Grill was the best feature. I think it looked awesome.

Agree with you Voodoo, although my fav grill is WK/WL grills :drool:


And once again the HSV website proves to be useless in regards to some decent pics and in showcasing their cars.

[Fusebox]

ShawnN20, Doesnt Cadillac make RWD cars? with the CTS-V and the like??

[VZSS250]

I think we were all looking for that one 'hook' feature, the one that would have us drooling. Maybe something as simple as 20 inch rims, or tasteful coloured leather options (I might be alone in regards to the coloured leather).

But as it is we dont even get some normal HSV goodies. No quarter panel vents, no centre stack guages, no heavily bolstered seats. They should have done something to make up for these missing features

The Caprice is probably a more logical choice for the LWB market. It has more understated aggression, its cheaper, has all the bells and whistles etc. And its one edit away from 307 fwkws.

BUT Look at the BMW catalogue and see how far $90,000 takes you. Not very far at all.

And this model prmoises to be at least $5k cheaper if they pass on the price cut Holden gave on the Caprice.

[limmo]

beautiful car Holden HSV has got it right. This looks much better than the Caprice style Grange. Thats my two cents worth anyway.

[jerrel]

well said. the only reason i would buy a grange over a caprice is for big seats, fancy gauges, and the other universal hsv parts, which appear on the rest of the range.

[SV99]

That is shit hot. I want one. :bow: much better than the force offerings. :flipoff:

[Holden Man]

And once again the HSV website proves to be useless in regards to some decent pics and in showcasing their cars.

Here, Here. I totally agree, I reckon the HSV site is pretty crap. (The FPV site is much better :hide: )

I like this style for a car site -
http://www.mercedes-amg.com/

[Ako]

ill be buying one of these for work so hopefully it will grow on me

I hate you more and more evey day spank.....:jester:

[spank]

I hate you more and more evey day spank.....:jester:

dont hate the player, hate the game, ill be looking to get one by around june next year and hopefully ill like them enough to actually fork out for one, i couldnt bring myself to get the R8 and ended up with the GTO, but this is for work so either this or something lwb from the germans im afraid

[Danv8]

I don't see what all the fuss is all about since the Grange is more of a touring luxo barge than the more in your face raw machine like the Clubby R8 or GTS.
Its probably a dragon in performance and handling in a subtle exterior.

Again its a thing with all car companies they are damned if they do and they are damned if they don't.

[GEN III]

http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grange.jpg


If only.......:bow:

(minus the bmw logo on the wheels)

[cartees]

(psssssst) (whispers) they're Jag wheels.... ;)

[Nobby]

The Caprice is still the pick of the Holden/HSV stable for mine... this looks a little under done in places, but you cant fault the awesome equipment list. Caprice is gorgeous.

Ford = owned.

Come on Orion (but there wont be any LWB... or will there?).

[csv rulz]

http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grange.jpg


OMG im in love, that looks f*#king awesome.

[JNP304]

I dont know what you guys expected really. I think it looks as tough as nails and craps on the new Senator for style and panache.
Complaining it looks too much like the donor car? How different can they make it. They made the E series tail lights different to the donor and people havent stopped moaning about that. At the end of the day your paying around a 15k premium over the donor car and you get a hell of a lot for it.
Your not going to get a totally different vehicle for something that is sold in such low volumes, that would not be cost effective by HSV. I guess you cant please everyone.

[Venom XR]

I've liked all the VE variants thus far but the front end of the new Grange looks silly, not very convincing at all. I reckon the Force 8 looks better, even if it is just a GT minus the wing with a few chrome bits. I'd think I'd take a Caprice instead if I wanted the luxo VE.

If it was like the photoshop version though...

[csv rulz]

I've liked all the VE variants thus far but the front end of the new Grange looks silly, not very convincing at all. I reckon the Force 8 looks better, even if it is just a GT minus the wing with a few chrome bits. I'd think I'd take a Caprice instead if I wanted the luxo VE.

If it was like the photoshop version though...


UM so you like the senator but not the grange? both are very very similar

[XLR8 V8]

Here's the first picture I could find from the motor show today.
http://www.acay.com.au/~waylie/grange.jpg

That is a photoshop created by someone on this very forum if I recall correctly

[Venom XR]

UM so you like the senator but not the grange? both are very very similar

I don't mind the Holden Caprice, but theres just something about the changes HSV have made that doesn't gel with me, I dunno what it is really. I prefer the SS to the Clubbie as well - I've always thought HSVs looked their best when Ian Callum was on board as designer.

[`redoctober]

That is a photoshop created by someone on this very forum if I recall correctly

I posted the red grange in post #1 but it got crossed up with an illustration/photoedit I did for my my thoughts on the new Grange in the photochop section of multi media.


Quite correct XLR8 :yup:

[cartees]

You jumped a few pages XLR8, on page three I told how I got my photoshoped Grange and the red WM Grange cross up, I thought I could fix them by editing but you can't edit a post after a certain time so it's stuck.

[jerrel]

dont hate the player, hate the game, ill be looking to get one by around june next year and hopefully ill like them enough to actually fork out for one, i couldnt bring myself to get the R8 and ended up with the GTO, but this is for work so either this or something lwb from the germans im afraid

why do u need a lwb car? limo?

[Stormin]

From what I've seen and read the front end of the Pontiac GTO came from the same styilng studio that gave us a new Commodore with the nose of a truck... GMH.

Ouch!!!! That hurts.

[PLAYTM]

whats the price gonna be on the grange?

[aahsv]

I dont know what you guys expected really. I think it looks as tough as nails and craps on the new Senator for style and panache.
Complaining it looks too much like the donor car? How different can they make it. They made the E series tail lights different to the donor and people havent stopped moaning about that. At the end of the day your paying around a 15k premium over the donor car and you get a hell of a lot for it.
Your not going to get a totally different vehicle for something that is sold in such low volumes, that would not be cost effective by HSV. I guess you cant please everyone.

The point is Good Design doesn't necessarily cost more - checkout the new photoshop Grange:bow: The flagship (and the market) deserves more than just mediocre design - out with the old guy and in with the new :director:

[VZSS250]

I dont know what you guys expected really. I think it looks as tough as nails and craps on the new Senator for style and panache.
Complaining it looks too much like the donor car? How different can they make it. They made the E series tail lights different to the donor and people havent stopped moaning about that. At the end of the day your paying around a 15k premium over the donor car and you get a hell of a lot for it.
Your not going to get a totally different vehicle for something that is sold in such low volumes, that would not be cost effective by HSV. I guess you cant please everyone.

I totally agree. The Grange delivers a wilder look for those that would otherwise bling up their Caprice, and HSV have done a great job apart from the lack of 20 inch rims and the centre stack gauges.

Nobody here has been able to demonstrate that HSV have done less with this car when compared to the WH,WK, WL. The fact is that the changes they've made are consistent with previous models.

Was something more expected this time round? Why? What?

[Knight Phlier]

Can't wait till tomorrow when I see it in the flesh @ motor show. I think that Holden have done an excellent job with the Caprice - saw it the first time on the road a few days ago and it looks awesome. The Grange I think will take that one step further and make the look instead of 'classy' to more 'aggressive'. Once again well done to HSV> Hopefully this can take on some of the Euro LWB performance cars.

[vyssbeast]

i think it looks too much like the senator ... the older grange had a very aggresive front end .. this seems to subtle ... also needs 20's to look anywhere near decent ... i think theres a good platform to work upon, maybe series two it'll get more aggresive... no one is forcing anyone to buy this model if they dont like it, wait n see what comes next might be more appealing

[Mules]

looks a lot like the Z series senator from the front

[korrupt]

whats the price gonna be on the grange?
Pricing details will be revealed closer to the 2007 on-sale time

[gasguz]

And even then the americans stuffed up the front end of the monaro

:rofl: Its funny cause its true :rofl: :rofl:

[SCiFiRE]

very dissappointed.
dont get me wrong, it looks great, but the caprice and grange are starting to lok to similar, they need to differentiate a bit more i think though this may change in the metal and with a color list.
but im also very dissappointed that there are no decent pics of the interior around except this poxy view of the dvd players. it looks EXACTLY like a caprice, has this show special not got the grange interior in it yet or have they just not bothered!?!

[Ls1CorpCruiser]

why do u need a lwb car? limo?

Spank and I are in the Victorian Corporate Chauffeur Driven Hire Car Industry.

As such we are required under the legislative requirements to run luxury LWB vehicles with a minimum wheelbase of 2800mm.

Ford Fairlane/LTD, Holden Statesman/Caprice, HSV Grange, BMW 7 series, Merc S Class and Chrysler 300C are the main options here.

I had the priveledge of seeing the Grange first hand about 2 weeks ago and while I reckon it really needs some side skirts to set it apart from the Caprice, it is a horny looking car.

Will be getting mine mid April 2007 and will be either white or black.

HSV have done a top job once again...

:smilesandbanana: :smilesandbanana: :smilesandbanana:

[fyreblade2000]

The WH Grill was the best feature. I think it looked awesome.

Second that!

Have a look on ebay there's a WH Grange grill up for grabs and its over the $500.00 bidding mark!!....for a grill!!!!!

I can't even auction my WH grange front end for that price!!!!!!!!!!

[ShawnN20]

:rofl: Its funny cause its true :rofl: :rofl:

pontiac felt the need to put the two "signature" grills on it. almost every pontiac has those shaped grills on it.

up here everyone thinks the car has boring styling. they say the car is very bland and looks like any other car on the road.

[VZSS250]

very dissappointed.
the caprice and grange are starting to look to similar

Maybe you should travel back to 1996 and compare a VS Grange to a VS Caprice...Virtually the same but the Grange was actually based on the Statesman, as was the WH.

[SCiFiRE]

VZSS250 :
Im well aware of what the grange used to be. I dont think i should travel back in time, and neither should HSV. WH grange grill and kit set it apart from the caprice quite well, then WK and WL, the body kits and interior were steered even further away from the standard caprice. I much prefered a grange over a caprice in WK/WL looks department, but looking at WM, i cant say im very impressed at all.

[Roddy]

Do you still get a bottle of Penfolds Grange with your purchase?

[BossV8]

I'm a huge fan of the photoshop grange that Cartees posted, that is one bloody nice looking car, it almost has an SRT-8 feel to it

I feel however the actual photo of the red one looks a bit Camry-ish at the front, although still looks good. But at least there is a lot of difference between the Statesman/Grange/Senator and the rest of the VE range, while I dont mind the Force-6 and Force 8 they dont look much different from an F6 or GT

[`redoctober]

I really think the grange should have looked something like this:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/background2.jpg

But that's just me.

[BossV8]

Yup, very nice

Is that a chop you've done or another model?

[`redoctober]

Yup, very nice

Is that a chop you've done or another model?
Chop I did a while back :yup:

[JNP304]

I think we will have to wait and see it on the road. There is so many people to please and of which only a handful will actually purchase. If they put 20" rims stock the journos would carry on how the ride quality could be better compared to euro cars blah blah blah the usual. People will put on bling rims anyhow if they want the bling look.
Come on the senator with that grey lower mould and the tacky tail lamps. This Grange is class compared to that!
Hopefully it does look tougher on the road than on the pics.

[mad_monaro]

I have never been a real fan of the LWB models, but this thing looks awsome in the flesh

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/mad_monaro/MS0608.jpg

[VX11SS]

That red Grange looks very tasty but do you think anyone will order one that colour? In NZ they will all be black or silver with a smidgeon of white. BORING!!
Im thinking that of all the new series the Grange is the best looking followed by Senator (apart from those gray side skirts) and then Calais V.
Is this the normal Holden/HSV red or has it been tricked up for the show?

[HSE2]

I really think the grange should have looked something like this:

But that's just me.

No its not!

[jerrel]

it may have a hsv badge, but not the spirit, imho.
i would gladly take the cheaper, older WL or WK over it.

[Holden Man]

Whilst I liked the old style grille/look etc , I think that a lot of people didn't like it for the same reason.

The new one still has all the goodies that make it special plus a blander look which will appeal to more buyers (if that makes sense!).

Look at AMG's, there is little diffenerence visually to the standard mercs but you know they are special for what has been done to them rather than them looking special.

[chevypower]

thats what i was talking about before with the lack of innovation, they are doing what everyone else does. When Mercedes decides to put full body kits on their AMG cars, then HSV will go back to doing the same - when will they invent something new?

[VZSS250]

Interesting, HSV have decided the Grange should not have the Caprice's door handles. They've gone with solid red rather than having the chroome highlite around it.

Also, the small badge at the front seems underdone, given the big wreathed lion that the Caprice/Statesman gets.

But this car is phenomenal. A great choice for those looking for a cruiser.

[vyssbeast]

I have never been a real fan of the LWB models, but this thing looks awsome in the flesh

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/mad_monaro/MS0608.jpg

any shots of the rear? dont seem to be many around ... and if you ask me thats its finer side

[spank]

ill take it as it is but ill be looking for some different rims for it, they look like vt senator rims in 19", id like to see it with the 19's i have on my wk grange,it made a huge improvement on the old girl, see
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/gwe.JPG
can anyone photo shop this rim onto a wm grange ? a white one would be nice :rolleyes:

[Ako]

ill take it as it is but ill be looking for some different rims for it, they look like vt senator rims in 19", id like to see it with the 19's i have on my wk grange,it made a huge improvement on the old girl, see
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/gwe.JPG
can anyone photo shop this rim onto a wm grange ? a white one would be nice :rolleyes:

You just had to add another point to my "I-Hate-Spank-O-Metre" didn't you....:whip:

Very very nice. Pure Class.

[Holden Man]

WM with Spanks wheel request. (not white though !)

http://www.charous.com/uploads/0d595c5917.jpg (http://www.charous.com)

[spank]

WM with Spanks wheel request. (not white though !)

http://www.charous.com/uploads/0d595c5917.jpg (http://www.charous.com)

OH YEAH now im placing an order thanks very much, ill make sure the salesman sends you a commision for convincing me on this one :woot:

[Holden Man]

OH YEAH now im placing an order thanks very much, ill make sure the salesman sends you a commision for convincing me on this one :woot:

No need for the commision....I'll have your old one !!

[VZSS250]

Wow what a difference! Just shows how underwhelming black chrome rims are. But I wonder, if the Senator rims fitted to the Grange were a brighter shade of silver, would they look just as hot? I mean, the design is great. It could be just the dark colour letting them down.

[spank]

like i said these rims i just love even if they are old news, but just look at how much better the new car looks with them (note that it sits lower on them tho) when i buy the new car ill want to put a factory type rim on her but it will have to be the same dimensions as the original so unless i have these old rims widened ill have to see what else hsv is offering as optional wheels as i really dont like whats on the show car

[csv rulz]

any shots of the rear? dont seem to be many around ... and if you ask me thats its finer side


http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=802556&postcount=1

just scroll down a bit

[korrupt]

Is the colour in the promo pics supposed to be the same as the one at the show?

[Ako]

any shots of the rear? dont seem to be many around ... and if you ask me thats its finer side

This one if for you and Spank......

http://users.qld.chariot.net.au/~acko/Grangerearend.jpg

[GENR8R]

looks mint, rear looks similar to WK in that pic will have to wait till i see one in the flesh

[Ls1CorpCruiser]

it may have a hsv badge, but not the spirit, imho.
i would gladly take the cheaper, older WL or WK over it.

FOR SALE
2004 WK Grange, White with Shale leather interior, 255,000kms, A1 condition throughout, New tyres, RWC... Best offer around $50k

Selling due to upgrade to WM

pics at... www.chauffeurcars.com.au

:stick: :stick: :moon: :moon: :party:

[swst]

The Grange at the sydney motor show, from what I gathered from the staff, isn't a finished example. I asked about why it doesnt have the shale interior and I was told that the car still had the caprice interior, they didnt have time to finish it off in time for the motor show. It wouldnt surprise me if a few of the other details that you talk about will be on the ready for market car( reversing sensors too)

As for the difference between caprice and Grange, In some regards there has never been a bigger gap, how many Caprices will you see running around with MRC?? Many changes are very subtle, like the HSV embossing on the dark inner plastic of the tail lamps, very subtle, but very cool in my opinion.

Another example of the rush job for the Grange was on its display poster it was listed with 55nm of torque, the marketing guys got a very hard time from the rest of the staff!!

Personally I loved it, I drove 3.5 hours to see it and wasn't dissapointed at all. Cant wait to own one in a couple of years!! (when someone else has done the depreciation!)

[korrupt]

There are a couple of hi-res Grange photos here :

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/previewpage?033997

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/previewpage?033996