Another F6 against VE R8 thread...

[Blonk1]

I am seriously looking at trading the F6 in on a VE HSV so no flaming here please...

Just got news from NZ where the two lined up together - Bog Stock.


"Quote- "
Here are the results from testing a VE R8 auto vs a stock BF F6 auto in NZ. (R8 had done 10km, yip brand new.. F6 had done 9000km).

-10 x 0-100km/hr sprints, we lined up, engines at idle, counted to 3 then floored it until we reached 100km/hr, F6 beat R8 every time, ranging from about 1m to about 5m, Got the R8 every time in the 2nd gear acceleration. We had to stop as the oil temp in the R8 was getting to high, got worse for the R8, in all the excitement we had forgotten to put the F6 auto into performance mode.

-Various rolling acceleration tests, R8 following F6, counting to 3 (via mobile phone) then flooring it, R8 kept up sometimes but struggled if the F6 slipped into 2nd/3rd gear (they truly are a rocket ship), summary was the R8 is not any quicker and no contest if the F6 gets going correctly.

-Brakes, R8 won hands down, unbelievable stopping power and it does it with an absolute minimum of fuss.

-Handling, R8 handles really, really well. Big difference switching between the cars, its not that F6 does not handle well, its just the R8 is another step up. Saying that the F6 is easier to drive fast thru slower corners, R8 still needs lots of revs to match the F6. More noise in the F6 cabin, interior and layout is about the same, seats better in F6.

-Exterior, R8 looks great, nice wheels too.

Ended the afternoon with a slightly upset potential R8 owner (yes it was a demo car), he went back to the dealer and asked why he could not beat the F6, dealer said he was not surprised and that the F6 is really fast, at least he was honest!

As a side note we also had a good test of a VE SS, R8 did not seem that much faster.

Hopefully a video will be available tomorrow.

[csv rulz]

Did you think to swap drivers on the strip in cars, coz a lot of it could have been to the driver.

[Carby]

Well should be an easy decision for you - the VE has better handling and Brakes. Hardly think that the low KM R8 was fairly done by engine wise, it most certainly has to loosen up.

Gee if the R8 outhandles the Falcon what would the MRC GTS do to it?

[RED R8]

Sounds like a pretty official test to me, ring me count to three then boot it I will wait to see proper reviews using run in cars and those high tech drag strip thingies with fancy electronic timers and stuff.

[EfiJy]

sounds like a thoro road test. i reckon its legit even tho no author signed his name to the rigiouraous road test. :rofl:

[VT LS1]

Sounds like a pretty official test to me, ring me count to three then boot it I will wait to see proper reviews using run in cars and those high tech drag strip thingies with fancy electronic timers and stuff.
Run 1. Should I have gone on 3 or after 3.....
Run 2.'Ah hang on mate I was just having a sip of me drink'......
Run 3. Sorry I was just adjusting the radio
Run 4. ........

Before I get flamed, the comment was about the professionalism of the test not the relative pace of the cars.....

I think for it to be an official anything in NZ it has to be accompanied by the Haka.....

[RED R8]

Run 1. Should I have gone on 3 or after 3.....
Run 2.'Ah hang on mate I was just having a sip of me drink'......
Run 3. Sorry I was just adjusting the radio
Run 4. ........

Before I get flamed, the comment was about the professionalism of the test not the relative pace of the cars.....

I think for it to be an official anything in NZ it has to be accompanied by the Haka.....
Hehe.
Run 5- sorry wrong number some guy in victoria just booted his V6 magna.:confused:

[Tron2004]

Would be more interested seeing another test after the R8 had clocked 9000 ks.
With only 10 ks the test is always going to be biased towards the F6.

[mustanger]

Yeah and today I pulled up next to a Ferrari, in my Suzuki, at the lights and I rang him on his mobile to tell him to floor it and guess what,I beat him:woohoo:

Seriously,I think we should all be patient and the truth will eventually come out.

[seldo]

I am seriously looking at trading the F6 in on a VE HSV so no flaming here please...
.
I could have sworn you only posted a minute ago in another thread that your F6 was in line to be the best muscle-car in Aust....:eyes:
You're easily swayed....:rolleyes:

[swingtan]

Hehe.
Run 5- sorry wrong number some guy in victoria just booted his V6 magna.:confused:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh that just made an otherwise droll thread !!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[vyssbeast]

:lmao: thats a pissa daz ... gold :lol:

and OT, the phone thing is slightly flawed in that its not instantaneous, you say 3 and go before he hears the 3 and goes ... y not try a set of lights or sidebyside and 3 beeps??

point is test was conducted properly, and one car was brand new still being abit tight ... wait till one of the mags run proper tests and hopefully the car hsv gives them has a reasonable amount of kms on it

[flappist]

Those tests were obviously flawed because the F6 out accellerated the R8. If the results were the other way around then the tests would have been good "real world" comparisions. Fortunately you only need one eye to type....

Did your F6 have standard "performance" or enhanced "brembo" brakes? My first one had "performance" brakes and they were fairly ordinary compared to previous cars. My second has Brembos all around and it stops much more efficiently.

[Drizt]

need a tape measure guys :flip3:

[Freaky]

Did your F6 have standard "performance" or enhanced "brembo" brakes? My first one had "performance" brakes and they were fairly ordinary compared to previous cars. My second has Brembos all around and it stops much more efficiently.

agree, the brembos all round on mine pull up better than the f6 i testdrove that was fitted with the standard brakes.

in regards to this thread. its pointless. who cares, both are great cars. for the sake of afew metres and 10ths of a second people get too upset.

[ti0350]

They should have taken the sheep out of the back seat of the R8 before they started,clearly it was the extra weight messing with the R8's time..

[vyssbeast]

people dont get too defensive ... not a proper test

over on the ford forums if the read this thread they will think were making bullshit excuses... point is it wasnt a proper test and im sure even they can agree to that

no one will say which car is beter till properly tested and that was not it!!

wait for the mags to do it

[EfiJy]

people dont get too defensive ... not a proper test

over on the ford forums if the read this thread they will think were making bullshit excuses... point is it wasnt a proper test and im sure even they can agree to that

no one will say which car is beter till properly tested and that was not it!!

wait for the mags to do it

i think thats what the jokes about.

some peeps like flappist are taking it seriously and thats bloody hilarious.

blonk should try some standup. i reckon flappist will be the only one laughing.:rofl:

[sHr3D]

I think Sheik Elhilaly made more sense than this post ...

[tuff304]

some of these responses are funny, but as said above lets get a more concise and professional test of these vehicles.

[EfiJy]

i wonder when teh classic 12 second factory tag is coming? :diddy:

[nang3]

hahaha what a funny thread!!
Although i agree that the test is kinda pointless in terms of official timing figures/benchmarks etc.. at least it shows in real world terms (i.e. at private traffic lights etc hehe) that the two cars are of very similar performance, once the clubby loosens up a bit there will be SFA difference in the two..

[vutess]

lethal 66, remember that the new f6 has 6 speed auto which is supposed 2 be much better, however yer this thread is pointless but also remember that engines are pretty run in off the factory and good for a flogging straight out the box. give me the f6 if i had the choice but.....

[redss]

Amusing thread. To hear the Ford forum views makes it better. Let's see what the mags do.

As far as I am aware, holden still has outright bragging rights in a straight line anyway (see MOTOR Nov issue). Case closed. Thank you ball boys, thankyou linesmen. Lets discuss some more after the next comparo.

Cheers

[YLD57L]

agree, the brembos all round on mine pull up better than the f6 i testdrove that was fitted with the standard brakes.

in regards to this thread. its pointless. who cares, both are great cars. for the sake of afew metres and 10ths of a second people get too upset.

Exactly, real world is so varied. They get so close it's not funny - the markets are so gawd damn similar for the cars, why stir up so emotion over brand?

[SSASSC1]

The recent Motor BFYB "Proper Test" states that the standard VE SS will out accelerate the F6 Typhoon, so who cares what the guys on FF think........

The standard SS spanks the F6, Imagine what the GTS will do !!!!!! :bravo:

[motomk]

Closed for cleaning! -If your post is removed then you posted "rubbish". Play the ball people, not the man...don't know how many times I have to say this.

Yes, I have driven an F6 and they are quick....very quick, Guess what they drive very nicely too.
Nobody, me included, can have an un-bias view unless you have driven both. How many people have done that?

I would so love to put the badges and body panels of one onto another and see how many people, on BOTH sides are blinded by the badge.

It's a good car coz its red....It's a good car coz it's blue.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Closed for cleaning! -If your post is removed then you posted "rubbish". Play the ball people, not the man...don't know how many times I have to say this.

Yes, I have driven an F6 and they are quick....very quick, Guess what they drive very nicely too.
Nobody, me included, can have an un-bias view unless you have driven both. How many people have done that?

I would so love to put the badges and body panels of one onto another and see how many people, on BOTH sides are blinded by the badge.

It's a good car coz its red....It's a good car coz it's blue.

i agree :yup:

one thing i have noticed though, and i'm not sure if its relevant to a standard phoon, but, my car since modded really has no balls after 5000rpm... so taking it to the rev limiter is really pointless and will actually get a slower ET down the 1/4. I usually change gears around 4500-5000rpm and keep it in its torque band. I think a few guys with phoons and Ts who have actually run the 1/4 will agree with this, and they make the car so much quicker. I wonder how wheels/motor etc drive the phoons and if they rev it to 6000rpm?

Both tough cars, and its awesome that in aus we have such a healthy rivalry, and healthy competition. God life would be boring if it were simply ford or holden... its good that ford have finally come to the party with the BA/BF models.

[turbo6]

Don't worry Jimmy, you can fix that...............

[Blonk1]

Its interesting that all the one eyed holden folks say this is not a professional test

LETS WAIT TILL THE MAGAZINES TEST THEM>>>>>>

IS THIS THE SAME PROFESSIONAL MAGAZINES THAT CROWN THE F6

THE KING - BEST MUSCLE CAR AUSTRALIA HAS EVER BUILT!!!!!

Discredit the magazines here....

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=64090

But call them professionals here on this thread.....

Only when it suits you guys hey???

[JimmyXR6T04]

Don't worry Jimmy, you can fix that...............

true... in fact, i drove it last night, and it didn't feel that gutless, i think i'm used to the power :bawl:

[Blonk1]

true... in fact, i drove it last night, and it didn't feel that gutless, i think i'm used to the power :bawl:

How much are you putting down now Jimmy??

[Martin_D]

Hmmmm Interesting comparo, but what we all really want to know is did they put Baabara on the the edge of the cliff so she pushed back? :lol: :lol: :diddy:

[JimmyXR6T04]

How much are you putting down now Jimmy??

just over 300 at the treads, i think the drop in guts after 5000rpm is just because it has such a kick down low.


Hmmmm Interesting comparo, but what we all really want to know is did they put Baabara on the the edge of the cliff so she pushed back? :lol: :lol: :diddy:

:rofl: love it.

[Blonk1]

just over 300 at the treads, i think the drop in guts after 5000rpm is just because it has such a kick down low.





I think end of torque curve is just after 5000 depending on your tune. (IE. Good power but less acceleration)

I have been shifting at around 4500 and on the G-Tec has wiped respectable time off ET.

I have my rev limiter set soft to 5200 so I can flat shift 3rd to 4th....
Cannot flat shift 2nd to third as the back wheels try to overtake the front..

[JimmyXR6T04]

I think end of torque curve is just after 5000 depending on your tune. (IE. Good power but less acceleration)

I have been shifting at around 4500 and on the G-Tec has wiped respectable time off ET.

I have my rev limiter set soft to 5200 so I can flat shift 3rd to 4th....
Cannot flat shift 2nd to third as the back wheels try to overtake the front..

same here mate, i shift at around 4500-4800... some times i get a bit eager and shift a tad after 5000rpm. I find that the car just keeps pulling a hell of a lot better when shifting around 4500

[Lucifer]

The way I read the article was that they are both equally fast (or will be when the R8 loosens up). In evry other department the R8 was better. Brakes, handling, looks interior except seats.

As an objective observer it seems they are fairly evenly matched which is good for both camps.

I agree with Blonk about the Magazine response, though. When it favours the Holdens, the magazines seem to be spot on, when they favour Ford, they are rigged and biased.

I guess its the same in the FF. People are saying the VE SSV had a hot motor in it because it did a 13.4 1/4 mile.

Again, as an objective observer, I find it stange that a Ve SS is so much faster than the VZ SS condidering the weight increase etc.

[Carby650]

Again, as an objective observer, I find it stange that a Ve SS is so much faster than the VZ SS condidering the weight increase etc.


I think you'll find it's more about how the VE is getting the power down rather then any large increase in power. albeit the VE is up 20kw's on the VZ.

[EfiJy]

The way I read the article was that they are both equally fast (or will be when the R8 loosens up). In evry other department the R8 was better. Brakes, handling, looks interior except seats.

As an objective observer it seems they are fairly evenly matched which is good for both camps.

I agree with Blonk about the Magazine response, though. When it favours the Holdens, the magazines seem to be spot on, when they favour Ford, they are rigged and biased.

I guess its the same in the FF. People are saying the VE SSV had a hot motor in it because it did a 13.4 1/4 mile.

Again, as an objective observer, I find it stange that a Ve SS is so much faster than the VZ SS condidering the weight increase etc.

what article, its just a post of an apparent private test which might not have happened.

dont just jump in here and defend ya brethren. its a post about a guy who loves his f6 so much that he'd thought hed share his love with us all. :jester:

[SS Enforcer]

Guys need to take a chill pill .. looks like there a bees dick in it so who really gives a flying one :rofl: :rofl:

Line them up on equal terms on a strip and time it ... but in all reality it will be a very close thing.

The VE launches better than previous models possibly due to the new rear suspension setup and bigger rubber. Mines pretty quick off the line suprisingly quick actually for the weight.

cheers

[mr ve ssv]

How is these ford tallywackers. 4500rpm shifts and gtek times YA YA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lowriding]

I guess its the same in the FF. People are saying the VE SSV had a hot motor in it because it did a 13.4 1/4 mile.

Again, as an objective observer, I find it stange that a Ve SS is so much faster than the VZ SS condidering the weight increase etc.

the VE has more weight but a/ its much better distributed , and incase you didnt bother to notice the VE also has new ratios ,new rear suspension, new diff assembly ,a new 6 speed auto and not forgetting more power and torque ! ...so it should not be a surprise at all that it is quicker. maybe try being an objective and informed observer !

[pussysoldman]

How is these ford tallywackers. 4500rpm shifts and gtek times YA YA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL

When the flag drops, the B*llshit stops.
Last one to the finish line is a rotten egg.
I personally have no doubt that there are some fords around that will leave
my barge for dead, but I like my pile of Holden...It goes sideways, it's real comfy, it handles pretty good for a ute, and it seems the girlies of the species like the colour yellow.
And on the other hand, my other "work ute" is an EA falcon wagon with 350k
on the clock, 145k done by us in the last 2 years, all around town.
2 years, 145k, 2 fan belts, pretty good ad for fords as well.:bravo:

[C4B]

I am seriously looking at trading the F6 in on a VE HSV so no flaming here please...

Do yourself a favour and keep the F6. :yup:

From what I've read, it doesn't sound like a HSV is really your thing.

[mr ve ssv]

Fact is some people like the prehistoric old BF falcon with its AU uglypos floorpan, rusty undercoat painting under the bonnet, coolant leaks, and taxi heritage. Takes more than a turbo to hide the fact its a 1980s design car is all

[YLD57L]

Fact is some people like the prehistoric old BF falcon with its AU uglypos floorpan, rusty undercoat painting under the bonnet, coolant leaks, and taxi heritage. Takes more than a turbo to hide the fact its a 1980s design car is all

And where does your Monaro's heritage lie? High tech it isn't.

The taxi argument is old, how about seeing it in positive light... they use Fords as taxis because they are more reliable. Never mind Mercs, BMWs and 300Cs being used as taxis too.

[flappist]

Hey guys, my comment was just highlighting all those who got SO upset at the test.

If two guys line up at the lights and one wins, all the excuses in the world will make no difference.

If, the next time they try it, the result is reversed then the same is true.......

My question about the brakes is simple. Being better than standard F6 brakes is nothing special, being better than brembos IS.

[Lucifer]

what article ya dick? its just a post of an apparent private test which might not have happened.

dont just jump in here and defend ya brethren. its a post about a guy who loves his f6 so much that he'd thought hed share his love with us all. :jester:


A written document is an article, hence the reference to the "article".

If you read my post correctly, I said the R8 seems to have it over the F6.

[TE50 056]

Well should be an easy decision for you - the VE has better handling and Brakes. Hardly think that the low KM R8 was fairly done by engine wise, it most certainly has to loosen up.

Gee if the R8 outhandles the Falcon what would the MRC GTS do to it?

Did you happen to see that the F6 only had 9000km on so i dont think the VE was hard done by my friend:soap:

[Blonk1]

How is these ford tallywackers. 4500rpm shifts and gtek times YA YA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How do you gauge how your car / tune is performing??

Standing at a bar in a pub???

[CLUB_819]

AHHHH my heads sore from reading that shit, Never changes. LETS ALL GO BY TOYOTA'S AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER. Now someone give me my 5 mins of life back.

Cheers
Scotty

P.S Don't buy toyotas, pleeeeease, just find some rooom for one to be better in some ways on some days.

[vecommo]

Did you happen to see that the F6 only had 9000km on so i dont think the VE was hard done by my friend:soap:

It seems you only joined here for one reason and that is to defend fords. You also won't get very far rubbishing us over at ford forums.

There is a guy over on ls1.com saiyng that the VE was hard done by because it only had 10k km but infact the F6 had only 9k kms goes to show you how much smart they are over there

Get your facts straight, the VE had ten (10) kms on the clock, not ten thousand.

[hoon69]

I love how all the following posts are just excuse after excuse. Accept defeat!
as qouted by
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=71414&page=1&pp=25
you get that,and im thinking that running a fresh new car up against a car thats already "ran in" isn't exactly a thrashing by the other brand,i reckon get a new fresh ford Vs a fresh VE then make a assumption ;)

all the car magazines are biased #@#$S anyways they either favour ford or favour holden its never relevent unless you attend a drag meet with normal driven daily cars going against each other then you have the proof in the pudding.

[TE50 056]

It seems you only joined here for one reason and that is to defend fords. You also won't get very far rubbishing us over at ford forums.


Get your facts straight, the VE had ten (10) kms on the clock, not ten thousand.

No i didnt come here to defend fords i actually enjoy forum chat :flipoff: i just wanted to see what the fuss was about and to also find some stuff about VE so get off your high horse geeez.
And yes i misred the first post sorry for that my bad

[Cav]

Next time get the fat bloke to drive the Ford not the VE :smilesandbanana:

[payaya]

AHHHH my heads sore from reading that shit, Never changes. LETS ALL GO BY TOYOTA'S AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER. Now someone give me my 5 mins of life back.

Cheers
Scotty

P.S Don't buy toyotas, pleeeeease, just find some rooom for one to be better in some ways on some days.

Toyota Supra??? I will! :)


Fact is some people like the prehistoric old BF falcon with its AU uglypos floorpan, rusty undercoat painting under the bonnet, coolant leaks, and taxi heritage. Takes more than a turbo to hide the fact its a 1980s design car is all

Which part of your car is more modern???

Engine? Nope. Its known the Turbo Six is the smoothest performance engine from Fords/Holden
Gearbox? Nope. BF 6 speed is the best int he world
Chassis? Nope.
Suspension? Nope

Every part of your car pre dates the AU if you didnt know! :rofl:

[vecommo]

Which part of your car is more modern???

Engine? Nope. Its known the Turbo Six is the smoothest performance engine from Fords/Holden
Gearbox? Nope. BF 6 speed is the best int he world
Chassis? Nope.
Suspension? Nope

Every part of your car pre dates the AU if you didnt know! :rofl:

And where exactly did he say that he was making the comparison to HIS car? We are talking about VE vs BF here, in which case:
Engine: Matter of opinion. I would much rather the V8 than a taxi engine with a turbo slapped on.
Gearbox: No denying the ZF is a great unit, but the 6L80 is not too far behind and probably just needs some calibration and fine tuning to get it to its best. From what I've read the GM unit has a higher torque rating also.
Chassis/suspension - The VE has clearly surpassed ford in this area and it has been commonly stated that the VE is a superior handler.

[payaya]

And where exactly did he say that he was making the comparison to HIS car? We are talking about VE vs BF here, in which case:
Engine: Matter of opinion. I would much rather the V8 than a taxi engine with a turbo slapped on.
Gearbox: No denying the ZF is a great unit, but the 6L80 is not too far behind and probably just needs some calibration and fine tuning to get it to its best. From what I've read the GM unit has a higher torque rating also.
Chassis/suspension - The VE has clearly surpassed ford in this area and it has been commonly stated that the VE is a superior handler.

I never thought he was comparing the BF to his, but decided to compare his car to the BF as he is implying the BF is a poor car, when in actual fact isnt. 80's floor plan??? The BF has been compared to the VE, but did the VE win by a huge margin? No! So why make out because the VE is better, the BF is a piece of crap???

I would prefer the Chev v8 as well, but you cant deny the fact the Typhoon 6 is a bad engine. It may use the base I6 as a base, but the I6 was always a good engine.

The 6 speed might have a lower torque rating but it comes out top in all test in every car its in. The bentley has 650NM of torque uses the ZF so its safe to say the ZF is more than enough.

Dont get me wrong the VE I like very much, I do believe its the better car, but you cant say because its better the BF is a bad car because its not.

[Tonner]

I would prefer the Chev v8 as well, but you cant deny the fact the Typhoon 6 is a bad engine.

Look out now,, there are some politically correct lunatics here that will tell you its not even a 'Chev' Engine,:shock: :banghead: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[VYII_R8]

And where exactly did he say that he was making the comparison to HIS car? We are talking about VE vs BF here, in which case:
Engine: Matter of opinion. I would much rather the V8 than a taxi engine with a turbo slapped on.
Gearbox: No denying the ZF is a great unit, but the 6L80 is not too far behind and probably just needs some calibration and fine tuning to get it to its best. From what I've read the GM unit has a higher torque rating also.
Chassis/suspension - The VE has clearly surpassed ford in this area and it has been commonly stated that the VE is a superior handler.

In response:
1) Engine - You really have to get off this "taxi engine" BS. There is no such thing as a "taxi engine" - find me any legitimate reference and I will be proved wrong, otherwise STFU. Ask any cabbie if would rather own a Holden or a Ford as a taxi - he/se will say a Ford as they are simply more reliable and go the distance! And to quote you saying "I would rather have a V8 engine than a taxi engine with a Turbo slapped on it" - that is a brain dead comment right there. We are talking about the engines on their own merits, not what you prefer!

2) Gearbox - Mate, you are in no position to make any claims about the new Holden box - it has only been around for so little time! The ZF is a magnificent transmission and that is proven by the many high end vehicles it is found in.

3) Chassis suspension - Just because the VE is deemed the better handler it does NOT mean the VE has a better chassis! Sure, it may have a different suspension configuration and an improved chassis over the VY which results in it handling better than the Falcon, but that does NOT mean that the VE chassis is any more rigid or better than the Falcon chassis. What I'm sure most of you do not know is that the BA Falcon chassis is one and the the same that is used on the Territory.. for this reason when the Falcon chassis was being designed, it was being designed for the 4WD Terry also. That is why the BA became so heavy - due to its heavy (but very rigid and 4WD capable) chassis.

I defy anyone here to find any legitmate source PROVING the VE chassis is actually any more rigid than the BA chassis. Everyone is making this assumption on the basis that the VE "handles" better!

[Tonner]

Take it to the Ford Forums then, if you love them so much, I dont know why we put up with this crap in a HOLDEN forum anyway.

[Ghosn]

Take it to the Ford Forums then, if you love them so much, I dont know why we put up with this crap in a HOLDEN forum anyway.

The crap is coming from both sides. The way some of you guys carry on over minor details makes me embarrassed to be part of these forums sometimes.

[vecommo]

Take it to the Ford Forums then, if you love them so much, I dont know why we put up with this crap in a HOLDEN forum anyway.

Exactly, I couldn't agree with you more. I come here to read and learn about the cars that I love - HOLDEN. I don't come here to read ford this ford that. If I want to read about fords then I will go to the appropriate place for it. There is a site called AFF, if people want to talk fords then why can't they simply go there where it would be much more appropriate instead of infiltrating and trolling the opposition's forum with it. The amount of ford content here is really damaging and degrading the quality of this forum. If it gets any worse it may as well be renamed "Australian LS1 and Ford Forums."

Sorry mods, harsh but true.

[lowriding]

3) Chassis suspension - Just because the VE is deemed the better handler it does NOT mean the VE has a better chassis! Sure, it may have a different suspension configuration and an improved chassis over the VY which results in it handling better than the Falcon, but that does NOT mean that the VE chassis is any more rigid or better than the Falcon chassis. What I'm sure most of you do not know is that the BA Falcon chassis is one and the the same that is used on the Territory.. for this reason when the Falcon chassis was being designed, it was being designed for the 4WD Terry also. That is why the BA became so heavy - due to its heavy (but very rigid and 4WD capable) chassis.

:confused: The BA "chassis" as you put it was not designed - it was simply modified from AU .Significant improvements were made for BA and there was stiffening over the AU /EA169 but the AU is/was far from worlds best practice.Territory- BA- BF- AU are all still based on EA169 after all.



I defy anyone here to find any legitmate source PROVING the VE chassis is actually any more rigid than the BA chassis. Everyone is making this assumption on the basis that the VE "handles" better!

The VE shell is significantly stiffer than the Falcon . It is in these areas that the VE is a much newer car,using modern construction techniques, designs and materials. The 08 falcon will be similar no doubt,but the current platform is well behind in these areas.The underpinnings are where the generation gap really lies.

[vecommo]

The VE shell is significantly stiffer than the Falcon . It is in these areas that the VE is a much newer car,using modern construction techniques, designs and materials.

IIRC, the materials used in the VE's pillars is so strong that the Fire Brigade had to purchase completely new jaws of life as the old equipment couldn't cut it.

[Evil LS1]

Fact is some people like the prehistoric old BF falcon with its AU uglypos floorpan, rusty undercoat painting under the bonnet, coolant leaks, and taxi heritage. Takes more than a turbo to hide the fact its a 1980s design car is all

:fewl:

Give yourself a triple uppercut.

[vecommo]

Ask any cabbie if would rather own a Holden or a Ford as a taxi - he/se will say a Ford as they are simply more reliable and go the distance!
Actually I have spoken to a number of cabbies who say they loved their EL's and AU's, however they are abandoning the BA/BF in droves due to woeful reliability (their words not mine).
They also state that they do not use Holdens as the Alloytec cannot be converted to LPG unless it has the proprer factory gas engine, and as most cabs are purchased second hand this puts them out of the equation.

[BossV8]

The amount of ford content here is really damaging and degrading the quality of this forum. If it gets any worse it may as well be renamed "Australian LS1 and Ford Forums."

Sorry mods, harsh but true.

there are a lot of threads that create interesting debate about certain topics, and there are also some who dont mind reading about the opposition, as long as it doesnt take over the forum

I dont think the less than a handful of ford threads here at ls1.com.au is degrading the site at all, I dont mind at all the Holden threads at aff, probably more to the point the degrading points is quality of posts like yours that make it worse than it actually is. :limpy:

[VYII_R8]

:confused: The BA "chassis" as you put it was not designed - it was simply modified from AU .Significant improvements were made for BA and there was stiffening over the AU /EA169 but the AU is/was far from worlds best practice.Territory- BA- BF- AU are all still based on EA169 after all.

Oh geez... cos the chassis shares some design from the AU that makes it inferior does it?? So going by your logic, we should not be driving on wheels which are an invention frm the olden days! (Ie. Why reinvent the wheel for those of you who missed it).





The VE shell is significantly stiffer than the Falcon . It is in these areas that the VE is a much newer car,using modern construction techniques, designs and materials. The 08 falcon will be similar no doubt,but the current platform is well behind in these areas.The underpinnings are where the generation gap really lies.

As I said... I defy you to find a legitamate source which states this.. anywhere... everyone is so confident so COME ON EVERYONE - SURELY SOMEONE CAN FIND A LEGITAMATE SOURCE WHICH PROVES THAT THE VE CHASSIS IS STIFFER THAN THE BF CHASSIS.


Actually I have spoken to a number of cabbies who say they loved their EL's and AU's, however they are abandoning the BA/BF in droves due to woeful reliability (their words not mine).
They also state that they do not use Holdens as the Alloytec cannot be converted to LPG unless it has the proprer factory gas engine, and as most cabs are purchased second hand this puts them out of the equation.

You seem to have an answer for it all hey mate? :nopity:

[vecommo]

As I said... I defy you to find a legitamate source which states this.. anywhere... everyone is so confident so COME ON EVERYONE - SURELY SOMEONE CAN FIND A LEGITAMATE SOURCE WHICH PROVES THAT THE VE CHASSIS IS STIFFER THAN THE BF CHASSIS.


VYII R8, what are you trying to prove? Do you think anybody here apart from a small minority actually gives a flying **** about the inner workings of the AU or BA chassis?
At the end of the day, the VE chassis is an entirely new design utilising the latest in design techniques, construction methods and high strength materials, whereas the BA chassis is a rework of a design dating back decades.
I cannot give you proof as I don't think anybody has actually done a direct scientific comparison of the BA and VE chassis, however it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the VE chassis is far stronger and a generation ahead of the BA.

[Wonky]

.......... but you cant deny the fact the Typhoon 6 is a bad engine.
Did he say what I think he said? :confused: That's right up there with some of his other postings........ :rofl:

I've never been in a Typhoon but from all I've read I think even most people on here would agree it's a very good car. Most of this thread is just a waste of time pi$$ing contest. :sux:

[motomk]

Exactly, I couldn't agree with you more. I come here to read and learn about the cars that I love - HOLDEN. I don't come here to read ford this ford that. If I want to read about fords then I will go to the appropriate place for it. There is a site called AFF, if people want to talk fords then why can't they simply go there where it would be much more appropriate instead of infiltrating and trolling the opposition's forum with it. The amount of ford content here is really damaging and degrading the quality of this forum. If it gets any worse it may as well be renamed "Australian LS1 and Ford Forums."

Sorry mods, harsh but true.

1. Simple...Don't read the 1% of threads!
2. Trolling...er no..if they like fords they are a troll?
3. infiltrating? ...Sounds like we are at war? Whose infiltrating...There isn't a them and you, everybody has as much right to be here as each other.
4. The amount of Ford content? 1% max
5. Damaging and degrading the quality? I won't say a thing.
6. Renaming? maybe it will.

You'll notice your partner in crime is on holiday as he went too far this time.

Getting back to the topic. I have driven an F6 and it doesn't go too bad at all. No I haven't driven a VE.

motomk

[`redoctober]

To alot of the people here: You choose what you read, if it says Ford, simple, don't click on it.. And if you do read it and happen to not like it, you can easily click "back", ignore the thread, and be on your way.

It's not that hard you know :shiner:

[JimmyXR6T04]

1. Simple...Don't read the 1% of threads!
2. Trolling...er no..if they like fords they are a troll?
3. infiltrating? ...Sounds like we are at war? Whose infiltrating...There isn't a them and you, everybody has as much right to be here as each other.
4. The amount of Ford content? 1% max
5. Damaging and degrading the quality? I won't say a thing.
6. Renaming? maybe it will.

You'll notice your partner in crime is on holiday as he went too far this time.

Getting back to the topic. I have driven an F6 and it doesn't go too bad at all. No I haven't driven a VE.

motomk

100% agree. We get WRX posts, Holden posts and what not at the xr6turbo forum. I think it makes for a better forum and yes, its usually only a small amount. I enjoy reading about all performance cars, especially ford and holden. That is why i am on this site, regardless of the fact i drive a ford, i still take a big interest in Holden.

it really is a shame that a small minority have an us/them mentality, and you get them everywhere in the world! Some people need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture, both cars are awesome! slagging one or the other isn't really gonna solve anything! We should all be happy that we have such a good choice of performance cars here, at a very affordable price!

On the topic of the phoon, i had the chance to drive one today.. i met up with a member of the xr6turbo forum as we had some problems with our cars that we wanted to compare... his car was a beast, 318rwkw 6sp auto.. the auto was really something else! i love my manuals, but geez, i was sold on this, and i only drove it for 10 or so mins... too bad i was too scared to give it a boot!!

[VooDoo]

Really... WHO CARES?

If you went and bought either car and had it in your driveway you would have a smile on your face. 1m / 5m in front... LOL So what. Take it to a proper track for some real testing and regardless of what car won, they are both still good cars that will beat the crap out of the euro's at 1/2 the price. Take the internet dick measuring contests back to boostcruising or SC.

[VT GEN3]

wheres the video. Gimme a link or something.... that would be great to watch. If I had an F6 I wouldnt trade it for the VE R8. I dont think the R8 offered enough to justify the cost difference. But those VE R8s look awesome.

Im a holden man but that F6 thats a top car. Fod got it right with that.

Just amtte rof preference i reckon. We all love the GEN3/4 but the turbo six in F6 form is a worthy contender here.

wheres the video??????

[BadMac]

There is no Video, the whole thing was made up.

Close the thread.:lock: :lock: :lock:

[pagey]

The crap is coming from both sides. The way some of you guys carry on over minor details makes me embarrassed to be part of these forums sometimes.

I'll 2'nd that..

Serioulsy, how old are some of the fools that have whinged in this thread? "oh.. the poor Holden only had 10kms on the clock".. so it would not have been as good as it could be.. what a load of Bullsh!t!..

Always amazes me how people are so one eyed that they cannot possibly comprehend a Ford beating them.. just plain ignorance/immaturity.

And for those stating.. "oh.. the testing style was floored".. you have just wiped out EVERY story you might have ever told about how your super Holden beat that Ford/WRX/Skyline etc on teh road teh other day.. as clearly there are too many variables to make your "test" accurate.

A little more open mindedness would be nice.. but alas will no doubt never happen for many on here.

[SS Enforcer]

Maybe some one from FF could front up at WSID when we have the private day there.
Mine is a bog stock VE SS and I will happilly run a bog stock typhoon [no extra boost or edit] and put some $$ on the outcome.

Apart from that both cars are very good and if you gave me a Typhoon I wouldn't give it back, would be happy to have one in the shed here.

I think we get a bit too defensive of our respective brands, they are aussie made performance cars and go really well.

Thing of the crap the Yanks get to drive.

If you want a fast 4 door there is bugger all available but if your into front wheel drive 6 cylinder motoring you have loads of options.

We have the BEST 4 door performance cars in the world here when you take $$ in to account.

Where else can you get a 13 sec 150 mph + beautifully handling car for less than $50K .

For the price of a 545i beemer Price: $154,900 , you can have a R8 a Typhoon and a Astra to run around in !! + some $$ left over for MODS !!!

cheers

[flappist]

Maybe some one from FF could front up at WSID when we have the private day there.
Mine is a bog stock VE SS and I will happilly run a bog stock typhoon [no extra boost or edit] and put some $$ on the outcome.

Apart from that both cars are very good and if you gave me a Typhoon I wouldn't give it back, would be happy to have one in the shed here.

I think we get a bit too defensive of our respective brands, they are aussie made performance cars and go really well.

Thing of the crap the Yanks get to drive.

If you want a fast 4 door there is bugger all available but if your into front wheel drive 6 cylinder motoring you have loads of options.

We have the BEST 4 door performance cars in the world here when you take $$ in to account.

Where else can you get a 13 sec 150 mph + beautifully handling car for less than $50K .

For the price of a 545i beemer Price: $154,900 , you can have a R8 a Typhoon and a Astra to run around in !! + some $$ left over for MODS !!!

cheers

Actually that is a VERY good idea. You should post something over there, I am sure you will get a reply.

It would be nice to settle a lot of this stupid epenis comparing in the real world with real cars bought from real car shops driven by real people.

As long as no one cheats (secret mods or bits removed for weight saving or sticky tyres or whatever) then we will have some REAL results.

I remember when I first bought my F6 (BA2 manual) the common consensus was that it would not do 13.x over the 400m as at that time all the magazine tests showed 14.3++. I thought it would do sub 14 as it felt faster than my previous GT-P which did 14.1.

I turned up at willobank at the ls1 embassy during a T&T in my F6 with a full petrol tank, original Dunlop tyres at road pressure and two suitcases in the boot.
There were plenty of witnesses there including Voodoo & Mark12.
The first 5 or 6 runs were crap as I either bogged or spun and I did mid 14s.
I sat down, discussed the problem with others who drag more than I do (which was everyone because I have only ever done it once). We worked out that I need to slip the clutch more and short shift.
I did that and ran 13.8x. I was happy and went home. The next time someone told me a F6 could not do 13s without mods I KNEW they were wrong.

This was a real world test. I am sure there are a gazillion cars faster than mine but I proved what I wanted to prove.

A LS1 vs AFF drag day would be good I think.

[Nobby]

A race day and BBQ would be a ripper idea.

[Wonky]

Did he say what I think he said? :confused: That's right up there with some of his other postings........
My sincere apologies to payaya for the second sentence there. At 3.15am and after a little alcohol my befuddled brain mixed his name up with someone with a somewhat similar sounding name (lots of a's and y's) who made some not very clever posts recently about Hiluxes etc.

:stupid: <---- me!

[JimmyXR6T04]

Maybe some one from FF could front up at WSID when we have the private day there.
Mine is a bog stock VE SS and I will happilly run a bog stock typhoon [no extra boost or edit] and put some $$ on the outcome.

Apart from that both cars are very good and if you gave me a Typhoon I wouldn't give it back, would be happy to have one in the shed here.

I think we get a bit too defensive of our respective brands, they are aussie made performance cars and go really well.

Thing of the crap the Yanks get to drive.

If you want a fast 4 door there is bugger all available but if your into front wheel drive 6 cylinder motoring you have loads of options.

We have the BEST 4 door performance cars in the world here when you take $$ in to account.

Where else can you get a 13 sec 150 mph + beautifully handling car for less than $50K .

For the price of a 545i beemer Price: $154,900 , you can have a R8 a Typhoon and a Astra to run around in !! + some $$ left over for MODS !!!

cheers

i reckon that's a great idea. Doesn't necessarily have to have a dollar figure or bet on it, but it would be good if some one out there had a cam corder and recorded the VE SS vs F6, would make a great vid. Perhaps to be fair, they could do 3 runs, and then the winner can be calculated over their average 1/4 mile time for the 3 runs... as driver error may ruin one run etc..

Obviously no edit or other mods. Don't worry, you'll be able to tell if its got an edit.. it'll sound like a jet :) Not sure it'll be so easy to detect a VE with edit though. Either way, it would be good fun for the guys involved.

It doesn't always have to be about winning/losing and betting money etc, do it for the fun.... and maybe a little Ford/Holden pride :yup:

[Tonner]

i reckon that's a great idea. Doesn't necessarily have to have a dollar figure or bet on it, but it would be good if some one out there had a cam corder and recorded the VE SS vs F6, would make a great vid. Perhaps to be fair, they could do 3 runs, and then the winner can be calculated over their average 1/4 mile time for the 3 runs... as driver error may ruin one run etc..

Obviously no edit or other mods. Don't worry, you'll be able to tell if its got an edit.. it'll sound like a jet :) Not sure it'll be so easy to detect a VE with edit though. Either way, it would be good fun for the guys involved.

It doesn't always have to be about winning/losing and betting money etc, do it for the fun.... and maybe a little Ford/Holden pride :yup:

Good Boy Jimmy,, lol, now thats a nicer attitude to portray, helps the lads to get along.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Good Boy Jimmy,, lol, now thats a nicer attitude to portray, helps the lads to get along.

well, we all have one thing in common, whether if be ford/holden and thats that we all love our cars :yup:

So is the WSID day still planned for January??? i can already see the Ford excuses if it loses :lol: damn summer weather, turbos don't like heat yada yada. I'll put a post up at fordxr6turbo.com and see if i can generate some interest from some of the stock phoon boys.

[vyssbeast]

very easy for these threads to become childish, but its stupid.
as voodoo mentioned who cars who one it was that close that you'd be happy with either car it'll come down to brand loyalty or personal preference (eg. V8 or Turbo6) ... jimmyxr6to4 has a 300+rwkw turbo that would shame most of our cars on here, yet i dont see him being childish or cocky, i think we should learn from this fella ... coming over to this forum to participate in a mature maner ... good on him :bravo:

a private day would be awesome ... it'll be great fun no mater who comes out on top

[JimmyXR6T04]

very easy for these threads to become childish, but its stupid.
as voodoo mentioned who cars who one it was that close that you'd be happy with either car it'll come down to brand loyalty or personal preference (eg. V8 or Turbo6) ... jimmyxr6to4 has a 300+rwkw turbo that would shame most of our cars on here, yet i dont see him being childish or cocky, i think we should learn from this fella ... coming over to this forum to participate in a mature maner ... good on him :bravo:

a private day would be awesome ... it'll be great fun no mater who comes out on top

cheers mate :) although i suppose we all have a childish moment every once in a while.. hell, i think i might have once or twice too (or more!) As some know, my missus's brother has a VU SS, and me being the mod bug, i'm trying to figure out ways to get him into the scene :lol: So the more i learn about the LS1s, the better i can make my proposal for him to mod... I want him to twin turbo it, then i'll make him let me drive it :lol: i might tell him to edit first, he'll be stoked.. so far i don't think he realises how much potential these cars have from stock!

I've put the post up at fordxr6turbo.com so hopefully it'll get a good response, and minimal childish fuss!! At the end of the day, a bit of rivalry is essential, otherwise, how boring would it be all owning the same car with the same performance! All in good fun i say!

[nzf6]

I am the F6 owner who ended up in the 2 hour test with R8, hell guys it was just a couple of petrol heads having a bit of fun, really surprised it does not occur more often and reported on in these forums as it was great fun.., anyway we really did think the R8 was going to whip the F6 end of story and my mate was going to go off and buy the R8, wouldn’t of worried me in the slightest as in 08 the new falcon will do the same :) , anyway here’s how we ended up doing the 10 runs from 0 to 100km/hr, we figured after the first run something was amiss, we parked up, sussed out a better way of starting and off we went.. each time it got a little more serious as the R8 was just not getting ahead, in the end the oil temp in the R8 was getting a bit high so we called it off, The R8 driver and I are just average joe drivers so maybe we are not getting the best from the R8, rolling acceleration test pretty much went the same way, thought the R8 was going to pull away, an hour latter we are still going trying to get the R8 to do its thing, again maybe it was just us, but we did give it a fair old attempt. Don’t get me wrong, its not like the F6 whipped its ass or anything, just the R8 was no quicker and most times slightly behind the F6, Hell the R8 is a seriously fast car and handles like a dream and the GTS will be the absolute king of the road if it handles any better than the R8.

[Road Warrior]

very easy for these threads to become childish, but its stupid.
as voodoo mentioned who cars who one it was that close that you'd be happy with either car it'll come down to brand loyalty or personal preference (eg. V8 or Turbo6) ... jimmyxr6to4 has a 300+rwkw turbo that would shame most of our cars on here, yet i dont see him being childish or cocky, i think we should learn from this fella ... coming over to this forum to participate in a mature maner ... good on him :bravo:

a private day would be awesome ... it'll be great fun no mater who comes out on top

Personally I am annoyed at the type of posts here lately. In 4 years of being a member here, I havent seen anything like the tripe that has been posted by some users in the past few months. Im glad there are some users who can bring some mature balance back into a discussion but im afraid all of this rock-monkey shit dribbling that goes on is going to start turning people away from LS1.com.au and I dont want that to happen :(

[JimmyXR6T04]

Personally I am annoyed at the type of posts here lately. In 4 years of being a member here, I havent seen anything like the tripe that has been posted by some users in the past few months. Im glad there are some users who can bring some mature balance back into a discussion but im afraid all of this rock-monkey shit dribbling that goes on is going to start turning people away from LS1.com.au and I dont want that to happen :(

i think most of the members here have shot down the immature stuff rather quickly, and it happens more often (shooting down the crap), so it won't be long before the sh*t stirrers can't stir anymore sh*t as people won't be interested in those games. The only way to stop it, is to either close the threads straight away, or the more mature guys here simply don't get involved in the crap.

Its good to compare the cars for what they are, but when people start bagging one or the other with stupid, pointless, irrelevant comments, it really does get a bit boring, and a bit childish.. a bit like when i was at school :)

[VYII_R8]

VYII R8, what are you trying to prove? Do you think anybody here apart from a small minority actually gives a flying **** about the inner workings of the AU or BA chassis?
At the end of the day, the VE chassis is an entirely new design utilising the latest in design techniques, construction methods and high strength materials, whereas the BA chassis is a rework of a design dating back decades.
I cannot give you proof as I don't think anybody has actually done a direct scientific comparison of the BA and VE chassis, however it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the VE chassis is far stronger and a generation ahead of the BA.

So, in keeping with the theme of this thread, and remaining objective, it is fair for me to state that you have still provided no proof at all that the VE chassis is any stiffer than the BA chassis? Using your own words above you state "I cannot give you proof as I don't think anybody has actually done a direct scientific comparison of the BA and VE chassis". Thank you vecommo, you just proved my point. Case closed.

And there is no need to resort to swearing in your posts if you can not discuss a legitimate point like a gentleman.

[SS Enforcer]

I am down to attend the private day on the 21/1 My ve is a auto and I will put it back to back against a phoon xr6 turbo whatever as long as it's stock.
Mine won't be tuned by then EFilive probably won't be ready till shortly after that date I believe.



cheers

[vecommo]

So, in keeping with the theme of this thread, and remaining objective, it is fair for me to state that you have still provided no proof at all that the VE chassis is any stiffer than the BA chassis? Using your own words above you state "I cannot give you proof as I don't think anybody has actually done a direct scientific comparison of the BA and VE chassis". Thank you vecommo, you just proved my point. Case closed.

No I didn't prove any of your points, I only said that to shut you up as I couldn't be bothered arguing about it. If I really wanted to I'm sure I could dig something up to prove you wrong, but I've got better things to do with my weekend.
Seeing that you are the one that's so desperate to prove the point why don't you show me some evidence that the VE chassis isn't stronger than the BA's.

[Tron2004]

100% agree. We get WRX posts, Holden posts and what not at the xr6turbo forum. I think it makes for a better forum and yes, its usually only a small amount. I enjoy reading about all performance cars, especially ford and holden. That is why i am on this site, regardless of the fact i drive a ford, i still take a big interest in Holden.

Yep, well said and couldn't agree more!!

[genIIIss2002]

I am down to attend the private day on the 21/1 My ve is a auto and I will put it back to back against a phoon xr6 turbo whatever as long as it's stock.
Mine won't be tuned by then EFilive probably won't be ready till shortly after that date I believe.



cheers
Sorry to say this, but you would get eaten, I dont know much about cars like some people on this forum, but I have seen xr6 and typhoon in action (cant tell you whether they were stock). I drove a xr6 ute the other day, stock, and its flamin fast.
Both Ford and Holden have great cars, and at the end when it comes to price, looks and power, I think Aussie cars are there at the top somewhere.

[pagey]

Sorry to say this, but you would get eaten,


I dont know much about cars like some people on this forum


(cant tell you whether they were stock).



Seriously bud.. think before you post.. what your saying is: A VE would get dusted because you have driven a stock Ford & that you have seen a typhoon that you dont know what work if any has been done and you don't know much about cars..

Bloody hell.. trying to educate people on here is like trying to get the dog to stop licking it's balls. :bawl:

[SS Enforcer]

Sorry to say this, but you would get eaten, I dont know much about cars like some people on this forum, but I have seen xr6 and typhoon in action (cant tell you whether they were stock). I drove a xr6 ute the other day, stock, and its flamin fast.

I we are to believe the magazine writeups the SS will win. I also believe my VE SS is quicker than my last one which ran 13.7 at full weight + extras which would knock off a stock Phoon or xr6t.

If it got beaten so what but I don't believe that to be the case.

cheers

[genIIIss2002]

Seriously bud.. think before you post.. what your saying is: A VE would get dusted because you have driven a stock Ford & that you have seen a typhoon that you dont know what work if any has been done and you don't know much about cars..

Bloody hell.. trying to educate people on here is like trying to get the dog to stop licking it's balls. :bawl:

Look I probably overdid it when I said he would get eaten, but off the line they are unbelieveably fast, and unless you plan on racing for one km in a straight line, then my bet is on a turbo 6. at least I have driven a ford, plus own a modified Holden, so i talk from personal experience, and not what I see on the the forum. Besides, if the person posted how an r8 destroyed typhoon, no one would mention anything about use of mobile phone or the fact that r8 wasnt run in. Both are good cars and would love to own any or both.


I we are to believe the magazine writeups the SS will win. I also believe my VE SS is quicker than my last one which ran 13.7 at full weight + extras which would knock off a stock Phoon or xr6t.

If it got beaten so what but I don't believe that to be the case.

cheers
You have an awesome car, and you dont need to prove its fast to anyone, we really dont need these threads.

[BadMac]

Guys, stop the pissing, as has been suggested there is a way to sort it for a while.

LS1 members get together with FAF, AFF, XR6Turbo and anybody else. Hire a track for the day. Have a BBQ, run what you brung. Break people into groups, Standard, Modified. Etc. Be able to compare VT/VX/VY/VZ/VE SS versus BA/BF XR6T, VE SS/R8/GTS Versus F6, also be able to have fastest on the day, ET or MPH (stock and modifed). Would also allow more experieinced members of each forum to help beginners. Would be a great day for all. Would also settle a few issues. Might see a VE R8/GTS do a sub 5 sec 0-100 (can you measure that on a strip?). Might see a stock F6 do a high 12 pass, might see a SS beat a F6 (might not!).

Like a dyno day but a shootout strip day. I know Warden is trying to go to the FPV club day at out local strip (Meremere), and the HSV club have been invited, that will no doubt see a few grudge matches on this side of the tasman. NZF6 why don't you come along (not sure how you get invited), but it would allow you to test your F6 on a real track against like minded people with comparible cars.

[1HotSSV]

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album19/how_smart_i_am_today.jpg

This thread deseves this!

[blkV8]

I am seriously looking at trading the F6 in on a VE HSV so no flaming here please...

Just got news from NZ where the two lined up together - Bog Stock.


"Quote- "
Here are the results from testing a VE R8 auto vs a stock BF F6 auto in NZ. (R8 had done 10km, yip brand new.. F6 had done 9000km).

-10 x 0-100km/hr sprints, we lined up, engines at idle, counted to 3 then floored it until we reached 100km/hr, F6 beat R8 every time, ranging from about 1m to about 5m, Got the R8 every time in the 2nd gear acceleration. We had to stop as the oil temp in the R8 was getting to high, got worse for the R8, in all the excitement we had forgotten to put the F6 auto into performance mode.

-Various rolling acceleration tests, R8 following F6, counting to 3 (via mobile phone) then flooring it, R8 kept up sometimes but struggled if the F6 slipped into 2nd/3rd gear (they truly are a rocket ship), summary was the R8 is not any quicker and no contest if the F6 gets going correctly.

-Brakes, R8 won hands down, unbelievable stopping power and it does it with an absolute minimum of fuss.

-Handling, R8 handles really, really well. Big difference switching between the cars, its not that F6 does not handle well, its just the R8 is another step up. Saying that the F6 is easier to drive fast thru slower corners, R8 still needs lots of revs to match the F6. More noise in the F6 cabin, interior and layout is about the same, seats better in F6.

-Exterior, R8 looks great, nice wheels too.

Ended the afternoon with a slightly upset potential R8 owner (yes it was a demo car), he went back to the dealer and asked why he could not beat the F6, dealer said he was not surprised and that the F6 is really fast, at least he was honest!

As a side note we also had a good test of a VE SS, R8 did not seem that much faster.

Hopefully a video will be available tomorrow.

U guys hav 2 remember that the f6 IS FPVs best car but... the r8 is NOT HSVs best car......................
Try the best vs best before u even start the comparison
((VE HSV GTS)) :lol:

[YLD57L]

Look out now,, there are some politically correct lunatics here that will tell you its not even a 'Chev' Engine,:shock: :banghead: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

So did that discredit his second point in that post? :shiner: :lol:

[Tonner]

So did that discredit his second point in that post? :shiner: :lol:

No,. No everything else he said in that post is correct, although he may not know it..:lol:

[CarlFST60L]

off the line they are unbelieveably fast, and unless you plan on racing for one km in a straight line, then my bet is on a turbo 6

how bout i put $100 on the table, you do the same, if a stock XR6T beats a stock VE SS either around a track or in a straight line (400m) the money's yours :bounce:

*checks latest motor mag again XR6T 14.2 verse VE SS 13.4 :lol:

Man this debate is getting OLD

[VYII_R8]

No I didn't prove any of your points, I only said that to shut you up as I couldn't be bothered arguing about it. If I really wanted to I'm sure I could dig something up to prove you wrong, but I've got better things to do with my weekend.


You did prove my point, and you are proving it again by failing to produce anything other than your childish drivel.

I will take you up on your offer vecommo. Please do find something that you claim you can dig up. I'm sure everyone reading this would love to see what you come up with! :yup:

[Vulture]

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album19/how_smart_i_am_today.jpg

This thread deseves this!

:lol: well done man.

[VT LS1]

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album19/how_smart_i_am_today.jpg

This thread deseves this!



With an edit you could smooth out that curve, bet you could even beat a Foon...........(with a bloody big hammer, but you would have to catch it first)

[JimmyXR6T04]

Guys, stop the pissing, as has been suggested there is a way to sort it for a while.

LS1 members get together with FAF, AFF, XR6Turbo and anybody else. Hire a track for the day. Have a BBQ, run what you brung. Break people into groups, Standard, Modified. Etc. Be able to compare VT/VX/VY/VZ/VE SS versus BA/BF XR6T, VE SS/R8/GTS Versus F6, also be able to have fastest on the day, ET or MPH (stock and modifed). Would also allow more experieinced members of each forum to help beginners. Would be a great day for all. Would also settle a few issues. Might see a VE R8/GTS do a sub 5 sec 0-100 (can you measure that on a strip?). Might see a stock F6 do a high 12 pass, might see a SS beat a F6 (might not!).

Like a dyno day but a shootout strip day. I know Warden is trying to go to the FPV club day at out local strip (Meremere), and the HSV club have been invited, that will no doubt see a few grudge matches on this side of the tasman. NZF6 why don't you come along (not sure how you get invited), but it would allow you to test your F6 on a real track against like minded people with comparible cars.

Exactly :bravo: FFS, all these people quoting wheels/motor times etc.. they mean absolutely nothing. Personally, i think there so little between stock cars that neither party has any real right to feel overly confident with a win.

It'll be an awesome event, and chance for both parties to see what the others cars can do without the bias of a magazine. It might actually stop some of the childish comments too, as it'll give a bit more respect to eachothers cars.

It really would be a great day. I'll try and make it provided i don't have work etc.. I've never taken my car down the strip, so it'll be a first for me.. hopefully i don't leave the old T5 gearbox on the road :(

[Aus8]

You did prove my point, and you are proving it again by failing to produce anything other than your childish drivel.

I will take you up on your offer vecommo. Please do find something that you claim you can dig up. I'm sure everyone reading this would love to see what you come up with! :yup:

Most of us realised a long time ago that VECOMMO hasnt got much time left on here and is only here to stir.

Cheers

Aus8

[Aeron]

Sounds like a load of crap to me.

[Tonner]

CORRECTION:

So did that discredit his second point in that post? :shiner: :lol:


No,. what he said in the second part of his post is correct, although he may not know it..:lol:

[INSINR8R]

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/showthread.php?t=8485935

case closed...

[Wonky]

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/showthread.php?t=8485935

case closed...
You're kidding aren't you? Whilst I question the merit of running a brand new R8 against a F6 that had enough km on it to be at near the peak of its lifetime performance (if not modified), the idea that a stock VT Calais Gen III could beat a FPV F6 Typhoon is an absolute joke (and I say that as a Holden man).

[INSINR8R]

Haha! Unfortunately its believable, I've seen stock LS1's chop Foons over here. Sad but true.

But I'm all for the "it's the driver" argument.

[Bazza76d]

You're kidding aren't you? Whilst I question the merit of running a brand new R8 against a F6 that had enough km on it to be at near the peak of its lifetime performance (if not modified), the idea that a stock VT Calais Gen III could beat a FPV F6 Typhoon is an absolute joke (and I say that as a Holden man).

I have to agree with Wonky. I also am a Holden man however I find it hard to believe. Although I did recently buy an SS-V and according to the current Motor mag which did a bang for your buck test the VE SS is quicker to 100 and over 400m than all cars Ford have to offer. So I am pretty bloody stoked with that:):)

[SS Enforcer]

Look I probably overdid it when I said he would get eaten, but off the line they are unbelieveably fast, and unless you plan on racing for one km in a straight line, then my bet is on a turbo 6. at least I have driven a ford, plus own a modified Holden, so i talk from personal experience, and not what I see on the the forum. Besides, if the person posted how an r8 destroyed typhoon, no one would mention anything about use of mobile phone or the fact that r8 wasnt run in. Both are good cars and would love to own any or both.


You have an awesome car, and you dont need to prove its fast to anyone, we really dont need these threads.

You are right I don't need to prove it at all it's just that Ryzz is organising a private day at WSID and I will be there with the VE.
If any of the ford guys show up with a stock xrt6 or phoon I will line the VE up against one of theirs.
If it doesnt happen so what .

You are right we really don't need these threads, quite childish really but after reading some threads on Ford Forums regarding their turbo cars 'chopping' holden V8 crap i think these arn't too bad .


cheers

[JimmyXR6T04]

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/showthread.php?t=8485935

case closed...

what a pisser. thats even worse then what the F6/R8 comparo was. I love a public boy racer hero. yeah, we all give a car a run now and then... but what does it prove? How do you know the phoon was even trying? Perhaps it was wheel spinning all the way through? geez, i had a lancer sit right up my rear once, why? because i didn't care and mashed the pedal which resulted in nothing but wheelspin.. big deal! So now according to this guys theory, a lancer is as quick as my 300rwkw T?? umm no...

Fortunately for the world, and the safety of people, not everyone wants to race and belt their cars flat chat on a public road.. Now, if he did belt it, then i suggest the guy telling the story is telling slight porkies.

Either way, it once again proves nothing.. great fun telling stories like this, and even more fun when they're over inflated, next it'll be said that the phoon had edit, exhaust, and slicks.. and a VN V6 left it for dead :fewl:

[vecommo]

You did prove my point, and you are proving it again by failing to produce anything other than your childish drivel.

I will take you up on your offer vecommo. Please do find something that you claim you can dig up. I'm sure everyone reading this would love to see what you come up with! :yup:

At the end of the day I really really couldn't care less what you think. I don't even know why you keep pushing this pointless argument, I stand by what I believe to be right, end of story.



Most of us realised a long time ago that VECOMMO hasnt got much time left on here and is only here to stir.

It's funny you keep saying that, but really, who are you to be making such comments? I don't see "moderator" written under your name? If I have crossed the line then I will welcome and accept a warning from a mod, however you are in no position to be making such comments and I suggest you mind your own business.

[Blonk1]

I am the F6 owner who ended up in the 2 hour test with R8, hell guys it was just a couple of petrol heads having a bit of fun, really surprised it does not occur more often and reported on in these forums as it was great fun.., anyway we really did think the R8 was going to whip the F6 end of story and my mate was going to go off and buy the R8, wouldn’t of worried me in the slightest as in 08 the new falcon will do the same :) , anyway here’s how we ended up doing the 10 runs from 0 to 100km/hr, we figured after the first run something was amiss, we parked up, sussed out a better way of starting and off we went.. each time it got a little more serious as the R8 was just not getting ahead, in the end the oil temp in the R8 was getting a bit high so we called it off, The R8 driver and I are just average joe drivers so maybe we are not getting the best from the R8, rolling acceleration test pretty much went the same way, thought the R8 was going to pull away, an hour latter we are still going trying to get the R8 to do its thing, again maybe it was just us, but we did give it a fair old attempt. Don’t get me wrong, its not like the F6 whipped its ass or anything, just the R8 was no quicker and most times slightly behind the F6, Hell the R8 is a seriously fast car and handles like a dream and the GTS will be the absolute king of the road if it handles any better than the R8.

Here is the guy that ran the test and I cant believe he is being ignored....

I thought someone at least would have asked him something.

[turbo6]

I had a bit of fun myself on Saturday morning with a HSV GTO on the Bruce highway. All good I say - he enjoyed it also!

[Blonk1]

Hey Shane,

I would like to see his review of following a 400+rwkw falcon around..

Oh thats right its only a six.....

[blkV8]

what a pisser. thats even worse then what the F6/R8 comparo was. I love a public boy racer hero. yeah, we all give a car a run now and then... but what does it prove? How do you know the phoon was even trying? Perhaps it was wheel spinning all the way through? geez, i had a lancer sit right up my rear once, why? because i didn't care and mashed the pedal which resulted in nothing but wheelspin.. big deal! So now according to this guys theory, a lancer is as quick as my 300rwkw T?? umm no...

Fortunately for the world, and the safety of people, not everyone wants to race and belt their cars flat chat on a public road.. Now, if he did belt it, then i suggest the guy telling the story is telling slight porkies.

Either way, it once again proves nothing.. great fun telling stories like this, and even more fun when they're over inflated, next it'll be said that the phoon had edit, exhaust, and slicks.. and a VN V6 left it for dead :fewl:

Hey Jimmy
I agree totally

[EfiJy]

Actually that is a VERY good idea. You should post something over there, I am sure you will get a reply.

It would be nice to settle a lot of this stupid epenis comparing in the real world with real cars bought from real car shops driven by real people.

As long as no one cheats (secret mods or bits removed for weight saving or sticky tyres or whatever) then we will have some REAL results.

I remember when I first bought my F6 (BA2 manual) the common consensus was that it would not do 13.x over the 400m as at that time all the magazine tests showed 14.3++. I thought it would do sub 14 as it felt faster than my previous GT-P which did 14.1.

I turned up at willobank at the ls1 embassy during a T&T in my F6 with a full petrol tank, original Dunlop tyres at road pressure and two suitcases in the boot.
There were plenty of witnesses there including Voodoo & Mark12.
The first 5 or 6 runs were crap as I either bogged or spun and I did mid 14s.
I sat down, discussed the problem with others who drag more than I do (which was everyone because I have only ever done it once). We worked out that I need to slip the clutch more and short shift.
I did that and ran 13.8x. I was happy and went home. The next time someone told me a F6 could not do 13s without mods I KNEW they were wrong.

This was a real world test. I am sure there are a gazillion cars faster than mine but I proved what I wanted to prove.

A LS1 vs AFF drag day would be good I think.

thats exxactly my point. i gather you were tryin quite hard to get a good time and did a 13.8. its not every car that can get 12.8 for a stocky yet most f6 owners keep bringing that up time and time again. i agree with most here. the thread is pointless. who cares about qa tenth here or there?

btw blonk. were are the vides? that would be good to see you and nzf6 racing . unless you are the same peeps. :lol:

[turbo6]

Hey Shane,

I would like to see his review of following a 400+rwkw falcon around..

Oh thats right its only a six.....


To his credit, he loved it and certainly was a little mesmerised at how quick it was. I was actually behind him when he booted it at about 100 - I was in 4th, changed lanes and disappeared into the distance real quick. We both got off at the next exit and he pretty excited about it - great to see!

It is just good to see people enjoying their cars regardless of what badge they have on them. Take everything that you read with a grain of salt I say and read it for what it is - someone else's experience.

I don't think many (if any!) of us drive standard cars anyway so who really cares what any test says what is quicker. A $1500 spend on a standard car (either make) will soon lay waste to the other and so it goes.................

[Blonk1]

I don't think many (if any!) of us drive standard cars anyway so who really cares what any test says what is quicker. A $1500 spend on a standard car (either make) will soon lay waste to the other and so it goes.................


Well said.....

I think we are all here cause we enjoy enthusiastic motoring are looking for better performance were possible.

Just using different platforms to achieve similar results....

[Holden Man]

Well said.....

I think we are all here cause we enjoy enthusiastic motoring are looking for better performance were possible.

Just using different platforms to achieve similar results....

I suppose we are all the same in the end...

but if you want the BEST platform you would pick the Holden :stick:

[clubbie]

Geez, I'm glad this comparo was with the F6 and not the GT vs the VE R8 otherwise the HSV would have been in real trouble.

Its 5.4-litre capacity, 32 valves and double overhead camshafts per bank work in concert to produce 290 kilowatts of power and a phenomenal 520 Newton metres of torque. So not only is there free-revving top-end power but a wall of torque at low speeds as well. In combination with the tuned stainless steel exhaust system, it produces the trademark rumble that lets you know you're driving a real, blue-blooded Aussie V8. It has a quality that clearly communicates who exactly owns the road.

Clubbie

[Danv8]

Geez, I'm glad this comparo was with the F6 and not the GT vs the VE R8 otherwise the HSV would have been in real trouble.

Its 5.4-litre capacity, 32 valves and double overhead camshafts per bank work in concert to produce 290 kilowatts of power and a phenomenal 520 Newton metres of torque. So not only is there free-revving top-end power but a wall of torque at low speeds as well. In combination with the tuned stainless steel exhaust system, it produces the trademark rumble that lets you know you're driving a real, blue-blooded Aussie V8. It has a quality that clearly communicates who exactly owns the road.

Clubbie


Until you hit the rev limiter
:)

[Wonky]

Geez, I'm glad this comparo was with the F6 and not the GT vs the VE R8 otherwise the HSV would have been in real trouble.

Its 5.4-litre capacity, 32 valves and double overhead camshafts per bank work in concert to produce 290 kilowatts of power and a phenomenal 520 Newton metres of torque. So not only is there free-revving top-end power but a wall of torque at low speeds as well. In combination with the tuned stainless steel exhaust system, it produces the trademark rumble that lets you know you're driving a real, blue-blooded Aussie V8. It has a quality that clearly communicates who exactly owns the road.

Clubbie
Do we assume you're taking the pi$$? :confused:

Everybody who knows anything about cars knows that despite the impressive sounding specs the Fraud V8 just doesn't have what it takes. :(

[Danv8]

Do we assume you're taking the pi$$? :confused:

Everybody who knows anything about cars knows that despite the impressive sounding specs the Fraud V8 just doesn't have what it takes. :(

I think the Boss V8 has a load of potential just that stock 260/290's are very ordinary (the ones I have driven anyways). By the time the engine hits its sweet spot the rev limit bangs right in.

They take to supercharging pretty well just like the LSx engines.

[csv rulz]

Did i forget to mention my stock VT V6 blew a F6 and GTS away at the lights:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

At the end of the day as long as you love your car thats all that matters. who cares if another guys car is 1tenth quicker

[JimmyXR6T04]

Did i forget to mention my stock VT V6 blew a F6 and GTS away at the lights:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

At the end of the day as long as you love your car thats all that matters. who cares if another guys car is 1tenth quicker

correct :bravo:

as for the Boss Fords, i tend to agree with the comments guys have posted here. Its a real shame that they haven't been able to live up to the expectation. In saying that though, like the SS, with a few mods they can be awesome!! Especially supercharged or turbo.. i suppose any 8 will respond well to that though :yup:

[RED R8]

Sorry guys couldn't resist.
GT with exhaust and air intake Vs VY with exhaust intake and crappy ping its head off flash tune.

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/Dazvyss/?action=view&current=vyssvsfpgt.flv

[clubbie]

Do we assume you're taking the pi$$? :confused:

Everybody who knows anything about cars knows that despite the impressive sounding specs the Fraud V8 just doesn't have what it takes. :(

Absofukenlutely:lol: taking the piss. It wont be long before the FF boys get the 12 sec stock F6 quotes on here.

Clubbie

BTW cut and copied that from the FPV shite...oops...site

[EfiJy]

this is a thread about NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :soap:

[SSASSC1]

Absofukenlutely:lol: taking the piss. It wont be long before the FF boys get the 12 sec stock F6 quotes on here.

Clubbie

BTW cut and copied that from the FPV shite...oops...site

Ha Ha - The real funny part is that the Ford guys recon the Boss motor is a engineering masterpiece, soon to be a v8 icon like in the GTHO's :lmao:

[Danv8]

Ha Ha - The real funny part is that the Ford guys recon the Boss motor is a engineering masterpiece, soon to be a v8 icon like in the GTHO's :lmao:


Engineering masterpiece mills and boon style really. :)

[ratter]

Without trying to start a ford Vs Holden argument here as there's allready enough of that going on,
Do you know what sort of dyno figures an unopened Boss can acheive compared to an unopen LS1? Do you know what sort of track times an unopened Boss can acheive?

I think a few LS1 guys may be a bit surprised

[blkV8]

Without trying to start a ford Vs Holden argument here as there's allready enough of that going on,
Do you know what sort of dyno figures an unopened Boss can acheive compared to an unopen LS1? Do you know what sort of track times an unopened Boss can acheive?

I think a few LS1 guys may be a bit surprised

Well fill us in oh wise one


Sorry guys couldn't resist.
GT with exhaust and air intake Vs VY with exhaust intake and crappy ping its head off flash tune.

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/Dazvyss/?action=view&current=vyssvsfpgt.flv

OUCH poor ford
Maybe its time Holden starts making shite cars so its fair for ford hey hey.....
:stick:

[genIIIss2002]

I think everyone that has read this thread, is ready to go out and look for a GTS or f6 and challenge him to a race:lol: Some of the older members should mention that street racing is illegal and could be deadly. youngsters could get the wrong idea
But seriously lets say you do have a race day and holden destroy ford or vice versa, do you think that the loosing side will say "oh my god, I was so wrong about my car choice, I will sell it immediately and get the opposition" Its more like they will bullshit and say they won, or the opposition cheated, or it was too hot for turbos.:lol: And you would not prove which car is better either, the only thing you would be proving is Fred's SS is faster than Mike's stock turbo, or Johnnies f6 with 20" rims and a sick paintjob runs better than Glens Monaro with custom backlights:lol:

[CarlFST60L]

I think everyone that has read this thread, is ready to go out and look for a GTS or f6 and challenge him to a race:lol: Some of the older members should mention that street racing is illegal and could be deadly. youngsters could get the wrong idea
But seriously lets say you do have a race day and holden destroy ford or vice versa, do you think that the loosing side will say "oh my god, I was so wrong about my car choice, I will sell it immediately and get the opposition" Its more like they will bullshit and say they won, or the opposition cheated, or it was too hot for turbos.:lol: And you would not prove which car is better either, the only thing you would be proving is Fred's SS is faster than Mike's stock turbo, or Johnnies f6 with 20" rims and a sick paintjob runs better than Glens Monaro with custom backlights:lol:

Sounds like you've had some practice :)

You still up for that bet mate? i will make it $200

[genIIIss2002]

Sounds like you've had some practice :)

You still up for that bet mate? i will make it $200

What you talking 'bout, what bet, I drive a holden as well, what will you prove, that holden is faster than holden.
Practice, not really, I lost few times, won a few times, and what have I proven... nothing, counting my lucky stars I didnt get caught.

[VZKOOP]

A little more open mindedness would be nice.. but alas will no doubt never happen for many on here.

:bounce: :bravo: :flip2:
Sorry Pagey if I hadn't read that I wouldn't have believed you posted it.........

Funny thread.......

Who reckons the Piazza would have given these F6 upstarts a run for their money? :hide:

I mean c'mon if we're gonna compare performance vehicles at least let's get onto a level playing field........

[ratter]

Well fill us in oh wise one



:

A bolt on Boss can make 280 - 290 rwkw as compared to a Bolt on LS1 260ish

Unopened Boss can get 11's, not as quick as the record LS1 but enough to scare a majority on bolt on LS1's

[CarlFST60L]

What you talking 'bout, what bet, I drive a holden as well, what will you prove, that holden is faster than holden.
Practice, not really, I lost few times, won a few times, and what have I proven... nothing, counting my lucky stars I didnt get caught.

post 104, you said you bet the xr6t would win, so i thought i would take you up on it :)

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=64108&page=7

[genIIIss2002]

The cars are so close (and I already excused myself by saying "you would get eaten" as I exaggurated a little) and what would be a good test, standing start, around the circuit, 1/4, because both cars have advantages and disadvantages, but you are so sure that SS is much superior in every area, and I dont believe that to be the case. There is no perfect car out there (Camira is an exception:lol:) But lets take street racing, because not many people hire out a track just to prove who is faster. Usually it would be off the lights and wouldnt last for a long time (unless both drivers are freaken lunatics).
When the BA released xr6t the first time, didnt the wheels mag bring out number crunching figures, favouring t6 over the VY SS. And I would think their testing would be slightly more accurate then we could on the streets

[Wonky]

When the BA released xr6t the first time, didnt the wheels mag bring out number crunching figures, favouring t6 over the VY SS.
So? VE SS is a long way from VY SS - big improvements all round.

[SS Enforcer]

A bolt on Boss can make 280 - 290 rwkw as compared to a Bolt on LS1 260ish





With what bolted on ??? i saw one with bold ons and strapon chip make 240 odd rwkw , but bolt ons only 280 rwkw come on.
The ls1 migt get 210 rwkw with bolt ons only as well, mine made 205 i havn't seen much more than that for straight bolt ons.

cheers

[turbo6]

http://300kws.com/PTDynoDay2006/

Have a squiz at the 298rwkw XR8 in 4th. Do heads count as a bolt on?? It did sound tough!

[vutess]

pretty sure those boss engines act make quite good power for boltons. the gt has a fairly known face that it never will dyno at under 300kw (fly) stocko even though advertised at 290, think ya get them to 290-300kw atw with pretty much same mods ya get ya ls1 to 240ish, im guessin they have alot left in them. just from what i have read on the falcoon forums as a quik squizzie, may be wrong but may be 300kw atw with cam but yer only minor work.

[Blonk1]

Yep the boss motor is good for those figures, but rarely seem to get the times on the bitumen.

The Turbo 6 however not only gets over 300 unopened and minimal mods, but is running 11's regularly. The same amount of mods to an LS1 to get around 240 - 250, done to a barra 6T would see it comfortable up near the 350rwkw mark and is the first ford motor for a long time that has most (and i say most not all) Holden V8 drivers still believing that a car that sounds loud and angry must mean it is faster.

Put simply a 6 litre motor is a big motor.

A 4 litre motor under 14 psi of boost (1 atmosphere) is equivelant to an 8 litre motor.

You see its all relative. Add science to performance and you see we are all doing the same things in different ways.

The reason I would be thinking about buying a VE HSV is to slow down a bit and cruise. I no longer need a rocket ship and thats what the Typhoon has been. If you dont know what I am talking about, go for a drive in one.

[ratter]

With what bolted on ??? i saw one with bold ons and strapon chip make 240 odd rwkw , but bolt ons only 280 rwkw come on.
The ls1 migt get 210 rwkw with bolt ons only as well, mine made 205 i havn't seen much more than that for straight bolt ons.

cheers

My car has seen 280's on the same dyno (Forum sponsor here) that has been seeing 250-260ish from LS1.
Bolt on I'm talking are extractors, cats, exhaust, CAI, Throttle body, under drives and edit


Yep the boss motor is good for those figures, but rarely seem to get the times on the bitumen.




They are starting to see 11's and 12's are not uncommon

[turbo6]

I wouldn't like to rev a boss engine real high and for too long though.................. bang I believe?

Have you been on the new Mainline dyno they have? Nice setup.

[ratter]

Have you been on the new Mainline dyno they have? Nice setup.

My figures are from a mainline dyno with the latest software. Also very very similar figures from Dyno Dynamics dyno

[Blonk1]

Have you been on the new Mainline dyno they have? Nice setup.

Is that the mainline dyno you ran 405.9rwkw's on??

I thought that seemed maybe a few dozen kilowatts light for your car Shane...

Is that to do with the way it was setup?

[EfiJy]

id say the some of you f6 owners are jehovas witnesses from the way carry on. :party:

i almost bought one myself. :nyuk:

[vyssbeast]

I wouldn't like to rev a boss engine real high and for too long though.................. bang I believe?

Have you been on the new Mainline dyno they have? Nice setup.

bang?? care to elaborate??

other thing is HEADS dont count as bolt ons :lmao: heads, like cams, would be classified as opened i believe ...

bolt ons = exhaust & intake (up till TB) ... pretty sure thats a fair summary

so with that you say the boss makes 280rwkw?? on the same dyno an ls1 would make 240rwkw with the same mods?? just trying to clear up all the posts thrown around ... if so thats fairy impressive, but thats what the ls2/l76/l98 is capable off ... unforunatly the ls1 is getting old :(

[turbo6]

Is that the mainline dyno you ran 405.9rwkw's on??

I thought that seemed maybe a few dozen kilowatts light for your car Shane...

Is that to do with the way it was setup?

If it was run in Shoot6 mode, you could add 10-15kw's mate. I just know it has heaps of go and makes me smile!

The new manifold and turbo should liberate another 100kw's and that should be enough.


bang?? care to elaborate??

other thing is HEADS dont count as bolt ons :lmao: heads, like cams, would be classified as opened i believe ...

bolt ons = exhaust & intake (up till TB) ... pretty sure thats a fair summary

so with that you say the boss makes 280rwkw?? on the same dyno an ls1 would make 240rwkw with the same mods?? just trying to clear up all the posts thrown around ... if so thats fairy impressive, but thats what the ls2/l76/l98 is capable off ... unforunatly the ls1 is getting old :(

Mate, I honestly don't know what the LS1's or LS2's are capable of. I was just happy for the guys in Qld to have me along to their dyno day and it was good to see and meet some other rev heads. No-one there seemed to give a toss mine had a Ford badge on it.

From what limited experience I have had with the boss motor with its long stroke, I just don't think it takes too kindly to too many revs thats all. I just know what I have seen at dyno comps.

[nang3]

The new manifold and turbo should liberate another 100kw's and that should be enough.




SOFT !!!! haha nah well done mate, that would be awesome !!!! ive been in a 330-340rwkw T ute and holy fark that hauled ass, couldnt imagine what yours would be like :burnout: everywhere !!

[ti0350]

My mate owns old XY and a BA2 GT I was talking to him the other day and he was complaining that his BA doesnt have real lot of go off the mark once it starts to rev thats when it starts to go but he said it runs out of rev's..
He said it's totally different to the old 351 clevo which had heaps of go down low.. When I asked who he thought would win in drag my SS or his GT he said it would be a lot closer then what you think it should be considering he has got 290kw and I've got 245kw.. The XY is another story last time he dyno'ed it it showed close to 450rwkw..
I've driven his GT and it's a very nice car but it doesnt seem to get off the mark as quick as my SS..
Next year we are going to settle it on the track of course by then I'll have my exhaust and edit so it will be no contest..

[Blonk1]

Your SS is a clear winner already I feel, like you say getting the GT of the mark is not an easy task.......

Plus I think your about 400kg's lighter

[Wezza]

Blonk1, so tell me, were you honestly looking at buying a Clubsport? I think not.

[C4B]

Blonk1, so tell me, were you honestly looking at buying a Clubsport? I think not.

Or actually own an F6?

[turbo6]

I know he definitely owns an F6 - I have physically seen him and it!

Drives it more than me mine I know that.........

[mustanger]

As a previous owner of a BA FPV GTP ,I am telling you that it had no more go than the VX Clubsport R8 ,I replaced it for. The boss 290 may have Quad cams,etc, but in the real world they don`t get going until 3000rpm and then it is all over by 5500rpm. It was all over before it began.A bit like a teenage boy on his first date.I then replaced the FPV GTP with a Series 2 GTS COUPE and what a big difference,just the spread of power throughtout the whole rev range:woot: :driving: .

[ratter]

and then it is all over by 5500rpm.

Easily fixed when edited :up2sum:

[BossV8]

A lot of edited cars are also going well over 6000rpm with the boss engines, some dont have billet oil pump gears but most do as a form of insurance, similar to doing the valve springs in ls1's

They seem to be responsing well to tunes and mods, biggest pity would be the weight of the cast block

[Vulture]

http://300kws.com/PTDynoDay2006/

Have a squiz at the 298rwkw XR8 in 4th. Do heads count as a bolt on?? It did sound tough!

I thought that also had cams done?

[vyssbeast]

As a previous owner of a BA FPV GTP ,I am telling you that it had no more go than the VX Clubsport R8 ,I replaced it for. The boss 290 may have Quad cams,etc, but in the real world they don`t get going until 3000rpm and then it is all over by 5500rpm. It was all over before it began.A bit like a teenage boy on his first date.I then replaced the FPV GTP with a Series 2 GTS COUPE and what a big difference,just the spread of power throughtout the whole rev range:woot: :driving: .

did you replace it for a clubby or a gts ... :stick:

[Belzey]

did you replace it for a clubby or a gts ... :stick:


The way I read it is that he had the clubby then replaced it with the 4 letter F word then replaced that with the GTS :)
But hey I am woman if I read it wrong I will blame someone else lol

[HSVMAN]

Havent had time to read entire thread sorry. In official magazine tests the SS-V cleans up F6 & GT and I think SRT8 with the opposition having better 80-120 times.
A GTS or R8 absolutely anialates any other local large stock perf saloon hands down in a straight line test. Give them corners and its bye bye :)

[Blonk1]

Or actually own an F6?

Hmm... Interesting...

Why wouldn't I own one.... I think there are more than one here that can vouch for my owning an F6, actually it has been on power torques dyno more than once.. It is build number 197...

I have put over 50000k's on it in the 16 months I have owned it mostly on highways and around mountains.

Yes I am also booked in for a test drive in a HSV Senator in Mid December.

It had want to go better than the VE SS I drove last weekend or I wont bother and stick with the F6 until the new models come out in 2008, the reports I read are both good and bad, but like I have said before, 16 months in a modified Typhoon has left me very hard to impress..

You see my money has no allegiance to a particular brand, I just want the best value for money on the market every second year I upgrade... Simple really. I am not a die hard fan of either brand, because thats all they are is a brand name.... Like comparing Levi's to Lee jeans... You get what your most comfortable with and often you get what you pay for...

[VZKOOP]

Just curious......
What makes you think the Senator will 'outperform' the SS? Handling-wise it certainly will. But it's a Senator. It may go faster in a straight line, but every Senator I have been in does everything with comfort in mind. So whilst the timesheets may say one thing - seat of the pants often tells you something else. I'd be inclined to test a GTS if I was wanting to get a 'feel' for the performance of a new E series HSV.
That said it is highly unlikely that you will be impressed with anything that is 'standard' after driving around in a modded Typhoon.
Nice car by the way.

[Blonk1]

Understandably the VE Senator has the Gen 4 6litre and will take better to Mods than the SS motor from my understanding. The extra weight over the GTS is insignificant, but as you can see I do a lot of KM's and comfort is up on the list.

Also, that is the only one I can get booked into at this stage, but believe it will give me a feel of these new platforms.

The F6's suspension setup I feel is a little soft for hardcore driving but great for touring, and a lot of owners go straight for bilsteins. The GTS and Senator would probably reflect this also.

[VZKOOP]

Word is the L98 motor is getting better results already than the LS2. Might even be worth looking at a Calais V and spending the extra cash on it if you are seriously considering the migration from Ford to Holden.

Look at this thread started by Tuna http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=61544

A guy I work with - based in Qld - is swapping his GT in March for a SS - and adding 10K to his budget for mods.

[BadMac]

Ignore the troll.
Better yet report him so he can his his attitude reviewed.

[HSVMAN]

What troll?
You mean that post by some dimwit who knows nothing about cars? Who let him out ha ha

[RICHO]

katman,

Thanks for that invaluable input from the shallow end of the gene pool

[myss427]

Why is Katman comming to this site if he dislikes the cars, only complanes. Must be something better for him to do with his Toyota or 380.

[JNP304]

katman, are your ovaries aching?..if pain persists please see a doctor.

[Blonk1]

Word is the L98 motor is getting better results already than the LS2. Might even be worth looking at a Calais V and spending the extra cash on it if you are seriously considering the migration from Ford to Holden.

Look at this thread started by Tuna http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=61544

A guy I work with - based in Qld - is swapping his GT in March for a SS - and adding 10K to his budget for mods.

Thanks for the tip, I will definately look into what you have said, still early days for new model and ultimately it will come down to personal preference in the end. but I cant understand this migration thing...

What if I keep the F6 and get a VE.....

Will I then need therapist everytime I go down to the garage?

[VZKOOP]

Thanks for the tip, I will definately look into what you have said, still early days for new model and ultimately it will come down to personal preference in the end. but I cant understand this migration thing...

What if I keep the F6 and get a VE.....

Will I then need therapist everytime I go down to the garage?

Ha! I needed to explain myself everytime I drove the Futura down the road wearing my HSV hat.........

Some people are easily confused. Might be worth hanging onto the Ford - could be a worthwhile investment someday. Look at what a genuine Phase III and original GTS Monaro are going for these days. Might not be any fuel to drive the thing when it has turned into a collectible is the only problem I can think of.

:)

[seldo]

.......

Will I then need therapist everytime I go down to the garage?
Did you mean "therapist" or "the rapist"....? :shock:

[Blonk1]

Did you mean "therapist" or "the rapist"....? :shock:

No just a therapist... Ever since I have owned the Typhoon I have more female attention and willing contenders then I have ever had previously with any other car...

[VZKOOP]

You should buy a Monaro then...... ;)

[clixanup]

No just a therapist... Ever since I have owned the Typhoon I have more female attention and willing contenders then I have ever had previously with any other car...
Aha. That's why you're sitting here virtually masturbating.

:errr: instead of :love2:

[Demon 8]

The F6 is the ONLY Oz Ford I'd buy...respect goes out to it!

I haven't posted for over a year...yeah that was worth it!

[Blonk1]

Aha. That's why you're sitting here virtually masturbating.

:errr: instead of :love2:

OK, I can see you are one of the more intellectually evolved people around here....

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!

[Holden Man]

Pinched these figures from an earlier "drive" article

HSV E-Series

0-100km/h (claimed):
4.96 seconds (manual)
5.04 seconds (automatic)

0-400m (claimed):
13.23 seconds (manual)
13.18 seconds (automatic)


FPV F6 Typhoon

0-100 km/h (claimed): 5.5 seconds (automatic)

0-400 m (claimed): 13.59 seconds (automatic)

(sourced from Wikpedia)


I do like the latest wheels on the F6 >
http://www.charous.com/uploads/322a0d6494.jpg (http://www.charous.com)

[HRT Stroker]

NO MORE CRAP in this thread. One user has copped a ban (enjoy your holiday katman) and anymore over the top bitching will receive the same treatment.

That's all.


P.S: Welcome back Demon 8!!!

[Danie|]

I don't wish to fuel the fire, but as I honestly said, I was going to the track this weekend gone and Id post my results no matter the outcome respectively, no shit.

I had my F6 there, 1st time ever drag racing, full street strim, 100% stock, 3/4 tank, 40psi in the 19" wheels etc..

My best times at first were 13.4 with a passenger also, then a few 13.2's my myself.

I wasnt keen on doing burnouts before hand so traction off the line was a little issue, and I didnt load the auto more than 2000rpm.

Take it for what you do, I was happy for my 1st time in stock trim etc.

Now maybe some mods.

[clubbie]

Daniel

That's about spot on for a stock F6. IMHO pretty quick for a completely stock car.

Thanks for the honest post.

BTW what 60' times and mph did you get?

Clubbie

[Danie|]

60ft was 2.14 and 2.12 on my best runs

mph was 107.73

:)

I can see with better tyres some better times, maybe a high 12 or with filter or spare/jack/junk out/pressures down a bit, but it'd have to be driven very hard to get that with stock tyres if you ask me.. still possible i guess but.

[RED R8]

60ft was 2.14 and 2.12 on my best runs

mph was 107.73

:)

I can see with better tyres some better times, maybe a high 12 or with filter or spare/jack/junk out/pressures down a bit, but it'd have to be driven very hard to get that with stock tyres if you ask me.. still possible i guess but.

There a high 12 hidden in those figures keep practicing its all good fun.

[NickS]

I wasnt keen on doing burnouts before hand so traction off the line was a little issue, and I didnt load the auto more than 2000rpm.

Take it for what you do, I was happy for my 1st time in stock trim etc.

Now maybe some mods.

Burnouts on factory road tyres do nothing ... traction will be an issue with or without the burnout, your launch may have been as good as it will get without better tyres.

[Danie|]

I doubt that

you drive over some dust, gravel and crap before the very start of the track, a small burnout may have cleaned the tyres at least..
I did a couple of smaller ones and found it to help a little with initial hook up, but i just didnt have the tread to burn off..

[ADSXR8]

Out of interest, did blonk end up trading the F6?