No Corvette heart for HSV hottie

[Freaky]

I wonder what they have up their sleeve for next year.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2138740.aspx

[Carby650]

I wonder what they have up their sleeve for next year.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2138740.aspx

Not that the car would've been in my price range but still BUGGER !!
Would've ben great to see say 100 of these cars made. At $150k I think they would've sold like hotcakes.

[Jac001]

don't GM make a 6.2L version of the L76?

that would make a good motor for HSV

[Speedy Gonzales]

Not that the car would've been in my price range but still BUGGER !!
Would've ben great to see say 100 of these cars made. At $150k I think they would've sold like hotcakes.

I dont believe so, you can buy a brand new Z for 100K Aus on road, (even less for near new superceded models ) must be those words again "economies of scale".

HSV are more likely to up the wank factor bits and leave the performance work to the aftermarket.

So Tony Hyde has an LS7 Stato running around? It would be interesting to see the driveline and brake mods at the very least.

Hasnt someone in WA put one in a Coupe 4?

[Road Warrior]

HSV owe it to their loyal fans - and more to the point, customers - to make something like this, especially after that farce of the HRT427. The core VE chassis is capable, with modifications, to handle the engine and all of the supercar components that should accompany it. And I would wager that even if it did cost $150,000 they would still sell every single one of them.

[MaDDoG]

I'm tipping a Callaway version of the current motor or a supercharger addition or maybe 3 Korean Holden Nova 4 cyl motors in parallel....12 cylinders and a rousing 4.8 litres

[planetdavo]

HSV owe it to their loyal fans - and more to the point, customers - to make something like this, especially after that farce of the HRT427. The core VE chassis is capable, with modifications, to handle the engine and all of the supercar components that should accompany it. And I would wager that even if it did cost $150,000 they would still sell every single one of them.
But, for those with short memories, the reason the HRT427 died is because the price would have exceeded $200,000...!!!!
Car companies don't "OWE" anything like this to anyone...
HSV's need a business case, nothing more and nothing less, like every other car.

[Rotty]

Perhaps the motor apparently being trialled in the new Corvette, 6.2 ltr supercharged I believe...apparently waaaay cheaper.

[Freaky]

Perhaps the motor apparently being trialled in the new Corvette, 6.2 ltr supercharged I believe...apparently waaaay cheaper.

I'll feel sorry for VE GTS owners if this comes out.

Isn't this what most wanted in the GTS to start with to differentiate as the premium model.

[goofafidamedes]

I'm tipping a Callaway version of the current motor or a supercharger addition or maybe 3 Korean Holden Nova 4 cyl motors in parallel....12 cylinders and a rousing 4.8 litres

I don't think HSV want a repeat of the Callaway experiment, especially the cost factor. Weren't those engines something in the realm of $20-25k a pop? And also IIRC then there's the quality issues that were had...

[monaroCountry1]

Just get a turbo kit for one of our forum sponsors...........bolt that sucker on to the current 6.0L and charge 15k extra.

Make sure its 600 to 700hp.

[Rick76]

HSV's already have a Corvette heart with the LS2 ;)

The GTS-R may not get the Z06's heart but it may get this one (detuned): Refer to this thread (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=64298)

[German Statesman]

What a lovely drive Mr Hyde's car would be... :burnout:

Cheers

JOHN

[fyreblade2000]

But, for those with short memories, the reason the HRT427 died is because the price would have exceeded $200,000...!!!!
Car companies don't "OWE" anything like this to anyone...
HSV's need a business case, nothing more and nothing less, like every other car.

Here's a business case.......... I WANT ONE!

Anyone else? :D

[OPPYLOCK]

I want to know what "serious European badges" inhabit the $150000 territory. Nothing I can think of that would be comparable to a 7ltr full sized saloon.
Even if they only built a small number of these and took a bit of a loss on it, they would still be ahead. They need to look at this as a marketing exercise not a business case. Would have to work a lot better than their current marketing strategy.

[LOE]

It wasn't the price that put a stop to the HRT427... HSV got more orders with 20k deposits than cars they planned to build.(in the concept config)

I believe that Australian Design Regulation wanted HSV to change the car to the point that THEN they could no longer ask the 200k+ tag. eg ADR would not allow the Carbon fibre Bonnet, the racing harness etc

[myss427]

Can't believe the comment about the price of the engine, you can buy one from Eagle Spares for under $20,000. Surely HSV would get them heaps cheaper from GM. And the ZO6 driveline bits are similar to what is in the HSV's for strength.

[chevypower]

the LS7 is purely about bragging rights (in it's displacement), for people who want power, I wouldn't think a 7 litre is necessary

[Ghosn]

the LS7 is purely about bragging rights (in it's displacement), for people who want power, I wouldn't think a 7 litre is necessary

Err, speak for yourself.

[HOWQUICK]

Hasnt someone in WA put one in a Coupe 4?

I have them in Coupe 4, VYs and Maloo. Even got one going in a HQ tonner.

the Mallo wasn't a bad thing....put a 224@.050" cam in it and saw over 470rwhp. Drives like a stocker with plenty of sting. Whilst driving it last week I saw economy in the 9s at cruise on the freeway.

My bet when the VE HSV came out it would get the 6.2l L92 in the clubbies etc and the GTS would of got the LS7. I lost.Typically it got nothing more than some wheels, spoilers and an outdated LS2. Saw a GTS here the other day and the guard "vent" look like someone parked a Hyundai in the side. Pure vomit.

There lack of ability ot build a "case" just keeps us busier and busier.......


the LS7 is purely about bragging rights (in it's displacement), for people who want power, I wouldn't think a 7 litre is necessary

you obviously haven't driven one then??? Might not get the attention some seek in the Maccas car park where something chugging away like a rde motor with the choke stuck on is concidered a hotty but will definitely see plenty of wantabes off.

[Danv8]

Err, speak for yourself.

I also find it not necessary!

But I wouldn't say no to one at all. :)

[chevypower]

I am not suggesting it isnt powerful, I am suggesting they should be able to get more power out of a 6L before worrying about NEEDING 7 litres, and yes I still believe GM sell LS7s to a market where "7 litres" means almost as much as the power it puts out, otherwise they could have produced a 400kw 6 litre V8, I am sure. But then I was more than happy with the kws produced by the Gen III, and once you have seen the Mini with the Hybrid 1.4 putting out 600kw/3000Nm and getting 80 miles per gallon, which is more power and torque than the 8.3L V10 Viper engine, you can't argue the necessity for a 7 litre putting out 380kw and getting 10-15 miles per gallon
link: http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/6104/

I am not suggesting it isnt powerful, I am suggesting they should be able to get more power out of a 6L before worrying about NEEDING 7 litres, and yes I still believe GM sell LS7s to a market where "7 litres" means almost as much as the power it puts out, otherwise they could have produced a 400kw 6 litre V8, I am sure. But then I was more than happy with the kws produced by the Gen III, and once you have seen the Mini with the Hybrid 1.4 putting out 600kw/3000Nm and getting 80 miles per gallon, which is more power and torque than the 8.3L V10 Viper engine, you can't argue the necessity for a 7 litre putting out 380kw and getting 10-15 miles per gallon

[HOWQUICK]

I am not suggesting it isnt powerful, I am suggesting they should be able to get more power out of a 6L before worrying about NEEDING 7 litres, and yes I still believe GM sell LS7s to a market where "7 litres" means almost as much as the power it puts out, otherwise they could have produced a 400kw 6 litre V8, I am sure. But then I was more than happy with the kws produced by the Gen III, and once you have seen the Mini with the Hybrid 1.4 putting out 600kw/3000Nm and getting 80 miles per gallon, which is more power and torque than the 8.3L V10 Viper engine, you can't argue the necessity for a 7 litre putting out 380kw and getting 10-15 miles per gallon
link: http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/6104/

I am not suggesting it isnt powerful, I am suggesting they should be able to get more power out of a 6L before worrying about NEEDING 7 litres, and yes I still believe GM sell LS7s to a market where "7 litres" means almost as much as the power it puts out, otherwise they could have produced a 400kw 6 litre V8, I am sure. But then I was more than happy with the kws produced by the Gen III, and once you have seen the Mini with the Hybrid 1.4 putting out 600kw/3000Nm and getting 80 miles per gallon, which is more power and torque than the 8.3L V10 Viper engine, you can't argue the necessity for a 7 litre putting out 380kw and getting 10-15 miles per gallon

think you will find that GM would not have spent the money building this engine if they could of got the same power from a 6L and still passed emissions. It is the only Gen factory engine I have driven that gives you the old school low engine speed "pull" but hang on....7200 red line is on its way. FAST!

And they get a lot better than 14 mpg.....most in the US are seeing around 30mpg highway and that is US gallons.

Comparing a hybrid to a gas powered engine is relative???

[Carby]

I have a cheap alternative - buy the 4.0 I6T from Ford!. No import taxes easy availability and all the VE drivers will get 12s straight out of the box just like the Ford boys !! :D

BUT there's more! we have a never ending supply of F6 posters here that tell us to get big HP (380KW?) from the 6 only costs a pittance - HSV could do those mods and it would be heaps cheaper than the US sourced engine - also get the local content up on the HSV and help our car industry:hide:

[VT LS1]

I have a cheap alternative - buy the 4.0 I6T from Ford!. No import taxes easy availability and all the VE drivers will get 12s straight out of the box just like the Ford boys !! :D

BUT there's more! we have a never ending supply of F6 posters here that tell us to get big HP (380KW?) from the 6 only costs a pittance - HSV could do those mods and it would be heaps cheaper than the US sourced engine - also get the local content up on the HSV and help our car industry:hide:



You could b on to something here. But it should be quicker, because it seems to take 350rwkw in a Ford to do 12's but only around 250 in a Holden.....

[planetdavo]

It wasn't the price that put a stop to the HRT427... HSV got more orders with 20k deposits than cars they planned to build.(in the concept config)

I believe that Australian Design Regulation wanted HSV to change the car to the point that THEN they could no longer ask the 200k+ tag. eg ADR would not allow the Carbon fibre Bonnet, the racing harness etc
The price was NEVER originally over $200,000 when those deposits were being taken. It was well under.
I doubt any of us know the final numbers, but the word I heard was that, in it's existing form, it would have been over $250,000.



They need to look at this as a marketing exercise not a business case. Would have to work a lot better than their current marketing strategy.
I don't believe I've heard of a drastic drop in HSV production lately....
GTS waiting lists, exports, VXR Astra.....
I wonder how many here that are commenting could afford a $150,000 HSV anyway!

[Pickles]

Well, that's the message I'm getting, that "love em or hate em", HSV are absolutely flat out at the moment, being unable to keep up with demand, with long waiting lists-at the moment they seem to be on a serious winner with the E series.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Martin_D]

The price was NEVER originally over $200,000 when those deposits were being taken. It was well under.
I doubt any of us know the final numbers, but the word I heard was that, in it's existing form, it would have been over $250,000.


I was an order holder for the HRT427, so Im closer to this than most
One day, rainy, a bit bored, with nothing much on the box, I sat down with a calculator and added up the cost of the parts I could see in the car (even from the limited press shots) worked out it was well over $150,000......realised they were never, ever, in their wildest wettest fantasies ever going to build such a car...then went in and ordered one just in case they did. Would be good to pay $150,000 for a HSV that was actually over $150,000 worth of car.....

At the end of the day HRT427 was nothing other than a very cleverly devised marketing demographic that calculated exactly how many ppl would be prepared to pay well over $100,000 for a car wearing the HSV badge. It was never any more than that....or any less :)

[planetdavo]

At the end of the day HRT427 was nothing other than a very cleverly devised marketing demographic that calculated exactly how many ppl would be prepared to pay well over $100,000 for a car wearing the HSV badge. It was never any more than that....or any less :)
Ahhh, it was rather a bit "public" to be fully a "marketing test" as you say. The smell still lingers, or else this thread would not exist!
There's no doubt Holden/HSV would have built it if the numbers would work.
Unfortunately, someone, somewhere, suggested a price.
What a mistake.....
If it never had a hope of being built, HSV should not have said it would, and dealers shouldn't have taken deposits,

[Martin_D]

Hey Davo, having been on the 'ground floor' you should have worked out that there was no way in a living fit that their combination would have met most any ADR. Brad Dunstans love child that blew hot wind up the medias ass, got the company a squillion more followers, and maybe one reason he got the ass from HSV (that was his name the fat bloke?)

My friendly HSV dealer rang me for a deposit of some $20,000 four weeks after the order was taken...
Could they supply me a vehicle specification? (Nope)
Could they supply me a total delivered cost? (Nope)
I laughed and told him to get stuffed :lol:

HRT427 was, and still is a very effective scam (your belief in the reality of the project as a company worker is testament to this). In fact Wheels magazine with OZ-ZILLA on the cover to this day remains their biggest seller, so at least someone got some good from it :)

[planetdavo]

To suggest I'm toeing this line because I'm a "company worker" Street Tuna shows just how little you really know me...!
You actually come across as a p!ssed off buyer that missed out more than me following the "company line".
I just defend the "company line" where necessary against mindless anti Holden vomit, which so often rears it's head on these simple forums....
We should agree to disagree.

[Martin_D]

Shows how little you really know me too.....
The only reason I may have been slightly pissed off was from a loss of profit on selling my new 427 to the UK or US. No emotion in that one for me :)
But to defend the company line when they were so obviously undertaking a marketing exercise probably doesnt speak much for your skills of perception, and dont take that as an insult. Independent thought and autonomous operation in a dealership are never, and have never been encouraged :)

[planetdavo]

Someone, somewhere, stuffed up. You have your opinion, I and half of Aus have theirs. HSV wouldn't ask for this publicity if they could avoid it. But to suggest I still tow whatever "company line" you think I have to follow, out of work, is frankly ridiculous!
I really don't care that much why it didn't happen to be honest. If I'm a "sheep" for thinking they'd sell it, well shear me with clippers and bail my wool I say!
It didn't, so move on everyone.

[monaroCountry1]

How come the UK can get a 500hp monaro yet Australia cant?

Im not in the market for one but I think Holden and HSV havent been keeping up with the competition. HSV had roughly the same power as the M5, now its lagging.

-no dod
-no vvt
-no outrageous front and rear end
-roughly the same power from HSV for around 7 years
-still the same ski port
-power and economy for the V6 and 8 is still similar as previous
-HAVENT MADE AN EFFORT IN ADVERTISING THEIR LPG COMMIE
-No diesel

[VX-300]

I don't think HSV want a repeat of the Callaway experiment, especially the cost factor. Weren't those engines something in the realm of $20-25k a pop? And also IIRC then there's the quality issues that were had...

Yes apparently engines are trickier to make and stay together than golf clubs.
Who wooda thunk it ??????

:rolleyes:

[goofafidamedes]

Yes apparently engines are trickier to make and stay together than golf clubs.
Who wooda thunk it ??????

:rolleyes:

Lol... yeah. Ah well, what can you do?

After the complaints (including the unimpressive air time on ACA) I would have thought HSV would have been gun-shy on this type of arrangement again. I've got nothing against the C4B, I'm still considering buying a car that has one...

[harey]

It says in the article that it would require severe upgrades to the driveline. Maybe they should talk to all the people making 400rwkw with turbo gen 3's :doh: :stick:

[planetdavo]

It says in the article that it would require severe upgrades to the driveline. Maybe they should talk to all the people making 400rwkw with turbo gen 3's :doh: :stick:
It's easy to make this power aftermarket, but they don't bother putting their work through the testing a manufacturer does to make their cars hang together...
Most of these 400rwkw conversions wouldn't get even half way through this level of certification. Reminds me of a Statesman with this power I know the owner of, and he needs a new rear crossmember every 12 months!
Hmmmm......wonder why?

[Capone]

i dunno why.. why dont u tell us..

[JHamilton]

Perhaps the motor apparently being trialled in the new Corvette, 6.2 ltr supercharged I believe...apparently waaaay cheaper.

I will be interested to see if this motor in the "Blue Devil" Vette is actually going to be a 3 valve engine. Supposedly, the new Camaro will have an LS3 which is a 6.2L, 3 valve, pushrod engine. I would be shocked if it didn't come out in the Vette first. Everything is rumors at this point, we'll see how it pans out.

[planetdavo]

i dunno why.. why dont u tell us..
Components have to be engineered to hang together.
It's well known that the VT-VZ series were engineered for 300fwkw.
Now 400rwkw is approx 540fwkw.
Hmmmmm, 240fwkw ABOVE what it's engineered for. Do you still wonder why things break????????????????????????

[HOWQUICK]

Components have to be engineered to hang together.
It's well known that the VT-VZ series were engineered for 300fwkw.
Now 400rwkw is approx 540fwkw.
Hmmmmm, 240fwkw ABOVE what it's engineered for. Do you still wonder why things break????????????????????????

bottom line Davo is that the shit breaks std. eg 4l60es are tragic, axles are butter, drive shafts are poor and we won't mention the poor excuse for a clutch they fit in these things.......so get off the pure engineering horse.:lmao:

your constantly telling people on here to get over stuff........seems you have more hurdles than most.

[planetdavo]

.......so get off the pure engineering horse


Hmmmmm, my old "friend".
I thought of all people you would understand that engineering is the foundation of quality. There will always be d!ckheads that abuse their cars and wreck things.
You should apply for a job with a V8 Supercar team with that attitude. I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms...:lmao:

[HOWQUICK]

Hmmmmm, my old "friend".
I thought of all people you would understand that engineering is the foundation of quality. There will always be d!ckheads that abuse their cars and wreck things.
You should apply for a job with a V8 Supercar team with that attitude. I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms...:lmao:

lets get one thing straight Davo....I aren't, don't want to be and never will your friend in any way shape or form.

I sure do understand the engineering behind what it takes to put together a good foundation but bottom line Holden don't have it all the way when stuff fails even with the fail safes they have built into their PCM programming......otherwise I wouldn't sell so many parts and you wouldn't have a job.

V8 Supercars? Too slow for me bud.....they take nearly the length of conrod to get to our 1/8th mile speed and thats after they have a run up.

[HRT Stroker]

Guys, production cars are ENGINEERED to break! How else would manufacturers make any money?? Everything is made to a budget.....otherwise you wouldn't trade your car in every two/three years (to avoid the 100,000 km collapse) would you??

I can remember seeing a document years ago that a racing collegue (who was well supported by Datsun) had showing that 180B piston rings only had a average shelf life of 160,000km's.

Spare parts is where they make there money!

[planetdavo]

lets get one thing straight Davo....I aren't, don't want to be and never will your friend in any way shape or form.


V8 Supercars? Too slow for me bud.....they take nearly the length of conrod to get to our 1/8th mile speed and thats after they have a run up.
You musn't have seen the "....." for friend.....
V8 Supercar was an example. I'm happy to substitute ANY form of motorsport for my answer. The same "engineering based" response remains.....
For the record, I actually have MANY more roles in the dealership, including some I.T solutions.
You are welcome to think of me as a "humble" parts salesperson....:yahoo:


Guys, production cars are ENGINEERED to break! How else would manufacturers make any money?? Everything is made to a budget.....

Cost versus development.
Everything in life is a compromise.
If people would pay twice the price for an SS Commodore, yes certain things would have further development.
Just the same as if a car has 200 extra horsepower, it's driveline should have matching development. Most places happy to take your money DON'T do this. That's my point all along.

[HOWQUICK]

You musn't have seen the "....." for friend.....
V8 Supercar was an example. I'm happy to substitute ANY form of motorsport for my answer. The same "engineering based" response remains.....
For the record, I actually have MANY more roles in the dealership, including some I.T solutions.
You are welcome to think of me as a "humble" parts salesperson....:yahoo:



I saw it fella......that's why I defined my position for you.

From your previous posts we know what you don't do in the dealership......do you do the coffee before or after you answer the emails?:sleep: :lmao:

Seriously though.......how do you go in to bat for them when you see the ads like "Thunderstruck" and then come one here and post "There will always be d!ckheads that abuse their cars and wreck things." The "firm" advertises for people to abuse their cars.

Weird shit. Maybe they should of spent some more on the drivetrain then they wouldn't of had to dull it all down with torque management and w@nky shift patterns........

[planetdavo]

I saw it fella......that's why I defined my position for you.

From your previous posts we know what you don't do in the dealership......do you do the coffee before or after you answer the emails?:sleep: :lmao:

Seriously though.......how do you go in to bat for them when you see the ads like "Thunderstruck" and then come one here and post "There will always be d!ckheads that abuse their cars and wreck things."

Weird shit. Maybe they should of spent some more on the drivetrain then they wouldn't of had to dull it all down with torque management........
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
I'm almost in tears....again!
What, the ad where a ute spins up some dust on a farm? The ute's on a private farm, your drag cars are on a private track. What's the difference? Both drivers can be d!ckheads.
I do find your opinion of dealership job descriptions amusing though......Wonder how people stereotype grease monkeys that work in crap conditions?
This is becoming fun. We might have to keep going for a few extra hours....

[Martin_D]

Good to see you gave up on arguing with me Planetdavo, but trying to battle Howquik as well.........it aint gonna help, as you see, he knows his shit too :)

[vt350phantom]

At the end of the day HRT427 was nothing other than a very cleverly devised marketing demographic that calculated exactly how many ppl would be prepared to pay well over $100,000 for a car wearing the HSV badge. It was never any more than that....or any less :)

This makes a lotta sense Tuna

[Martin_D]

Mate (can I call you that? :lol: )
Its just pure nuts and bolts, commonsense with the calculator logic....not rocket science :lol: :)

[planetdavo]

Good to see you gave up on arguing with me Planetdavo, but trying to battle Howquik as well.........it aint gonna help, as you see, he knows his shit too :)
It's nothing personal against EITHER of you.
I just speak up against people that hang it severely on dealerships or Holden, for no other reason than to support their own causes.
If I get fried by a bunch of ego's on a forum, so what!!!!

[HOWQUICK]

It's nothing personal against EITHER of you.
I just speak up against people that hang it severely on dealerships or Holden, for no other reason than to support their own causes.
If I get fried by a bunch of ego's on a forum, so what!!!!

you have some serious issues!!

you speak out for whatever you thinks is right based on nothing more than a company line or a partfinder CD. It has nothing to do with "own causes". You are a pleb and company b!tch. Full stop! F4ck me even when you are wrong you still peddle your whining BS until others just bore with the crap abd write you off for what you are......

A F%ckwit.

thank God I did well enough at school so I don't have to co-habit in a dealership with the likes of you.

Laugh? You are constant source of amusement.

Egos? You have plenty for ALL of us around here.

[Senator05]

Egos? You have plenty for ALL of us around here.

Seconded.......motion carried, all the way to the bowels of the dealership......

sorry IT nerve centre.............:banghead:

[planetdavo]

you have some serious issues!!

you speak out for whatever you thinks is right based on nothing more than a company line or a partfinder CD. It has nothing to do with "own causes". You are a pleb and company b!tch. Full stop! F4ck me even when you are wrong you still peddle your whining BS until others just bore with the crap abd write you off for what you are......

A F%ckwit.

thank God I did well enough at school so I don't have to co-habit in a dealership with the likes of you.

Laugh? You are constant source of amusement.

Egos? You have plenty for ALL of us around here.
Such "intellegent" input....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
You are just way too easy to wind up dude.....


Seconded.......motion carried, all the way to the bowels of the dealership......

sorry IT nerve centre.............:banghead:
And of course your new simpleton mate, joining Tuna and yourself on the Davo dealer bashing bandwagon.....
It did rain heavily here on Thursday, seems to have washed a bit of muck out of the ol' pipes.....:hide:

[HSVJPL]

Shows how little you really know me too.....
The only reason I may have been slightly pissed off was from a loss of profit on selling my new 427 to the UK or US. No emotion in that one for me :)
But to defend the company line when they were so obviously undertaking a marketing exercise probably doesnt speak much for your skills of perception, and dont take that as an insult. Independent thought and autonomous operation in a dealership are never, and have never been encouraged :)

C'mon Tuna,

You of all people know how much of a business case you need to get any project of the ground.

Consider the engineering and compliance obstacles to be overcome prior to any production (strength, durability, regs, ADR, warranty, spares, support, training, build costs)

Couple this with the limited build numbers and needing full Holden approval and the picture starts to become clearer.

Anyway back on topic of the thread, there is a very nice surprise for the HSV VE series II, that I caught a glimpse off the other day

[Martin_D]

And of course your new simpleton mate, joining Tuna and yourself on the Davo dealer bashing bandwagon.....

Davo....put down the crack pipe and SLOWLY walk away...atta boy :fewl:

[HSVJPL]

C'mon Tuna,

I notice you can reply to the vitriol but what about my post????

[z06neb]

I hope this is relevant to you guys in Oz, but if I recall the LS7 for the new Z06 is hand-made in a plant just over the border in Canada. The relevant part here is that many US guys don't want to spend the big bucks for the new 505 HP Z06 when they can have as much if not more in the aftermarket. I spent less $$ to upgrade my Z and have no desire to spend the extra for the new Z. I am sure there are quality aftermarket tuners in your country that can shoe-horn anything into your ride. :yahoo:

[Martin_D]

C'mon Tuna,
I notice you can reply to the vitriol but what about my post????

Wot tha? You want some as well? :whip:
Ok HSVJPL I ask that you read this slowly and take it all in.... :)
I am quite aware that building a car is a fair job. I am also quite aware that HSV do this as a primary course of business. There is nothing wrong with building a single prototype as a development mule and then never releasing it providing....

1) You make it clear that the product is a one off development prototype
2) You dont take orders for it
3) You dont take deposits for it
4) You dont give it to the press as the production ready version of the vehicle

The fact that still to this day so many people still believe that Australia was only millimetres away from having their own Supercar is testament to the skills of the marketing and PR companies involved in the 'spin' that was HRT427. While I look at the whole experience as a cynical exercise designed to boost sales of a fairly flaccid series of mid-range cars (at the time), the pure marketing savvy of the situation still has to be appreciated :yahoo:

[Ghosn]

Anyway back on topic of the thread, there is a very nice surprise for the HSV VE series II, that I caught a glimpse off the other day

Do tell, Im sure there are many interested parties on this forum including myself.

[Rotty]

Anyway back on topic of the thread, there is a very nice surprise for the HSV VE series II, that I caught a glimpse off the other day

Yeah, don't leave us hanging! Is this one of those teaser things?

[Freaky]

Yeah, don't leave us hanging! Is this one of those teaser things?

Will it make the resale value of VE GTS's plummet on release ?

[goofafidamedes]

Will it make the resale value of VE GTS's plummet on release ?

Is there history of anything other than that happening? :hide:

[rebel_clubby]

first a 6ltr, now talk of a 7ltr, gotta think bout practibility, petrol prices dont really allow for huge performace cars to really flurish

[mustanger]

The only certainty for the next upgrade, <VE2,VF> whatever,is the new side indicator lenses and the colour of the stitching in the seats.

We have heard that many rumours that we have gone full circle. Let`s get used to this model (VE) first,before we get carried away with the next.:sleep: