height above ground or tyre to arch?

[xquizit]

Feedback please. When lowering your car what is your personal opinion do you think the height above the ground to the side kit near the tyre should be the same front & back (which means there is more gap above the front tyre to the arch cause the arch is higher on the front.) Or to make the centre of the hub to the arch the same front & back (which means the kit is not parrallel to the road)?

[SS Enforcer]

I believe that the rear should be slightly higher which in most cases it is, that is if you are looking at the whole car and not just the gap in the arches.

First and foremost the car should be properly balanced and functional before looks is taken into consideration.

cheers

[HSV249]

don't forget that an auto will squat down at the back when put in 'D', so static height at the back should be slightly higher and it will be level when cruising.

[OPPYLOCK]

I believe that the rear should be slightly higher which in most cases it is, that is if you are looking at the whole car and not just the gap in the arches.

First and foremost the car should be properly balanced and functional before looks is taken into consideration.

cheers

Well said. Couldn't agree more. If lowering your car is not providing an increase in function and performance then don't do it.

[Flaming Mo]

While each to their own, I also agree that the car in general should have a slight angle down. I think that sometimes when all is lowered evenly, it can give the appearance that your carting half a dozen bags of concrete around in your boot. Put a couple of blokes in the back seat and the front end gets that "towing a caravan" look about it. (IMO)

[VU_SS_UTE]

Dead level is the only way! The skirt should be even front-rear, bugger the wheel arches. Nothing worse than a half ass lowered car thats sits up at the back, the whole slant look should stay with the 70s. Complete with 15" wheels and fat tires!

[SS Enforcer]

Dead level is the only way! The skirt should be even front-rear, bugger the wheel arches. Nothing worse than a half ass lowered car thats sits up at the back, the whole slant look should stay with the 70s. Complete with 15" wheels and fat tires!

:argue:
Thats great if you want to hang at maccas with the doof doof gang but if you want to drive it every day you should make it work properly.

A lot of us older guys have had cars that looked great but rode like shit .. the rage was jacking up the rear with big rubber on the back.... looked great but handled terrible.
You will find same with very low especially on the rear as well ....car looks great but rides and handles poorly. :woot:


It's similar with wheels and tyres some guy ... Dunlop I think was his name invented pneumatic tyres, he found that buy putting air in them the ride quality was improved.
Whilst I am a fan of low profile tyres I still believe that there has to be some give in the sidewall to aid comfort with everyday motoring.

What I find completely bizzare is putting 20" x 9" rims on then having to put skinny 225 tyres on em because they won't clear the bloody guards. So you have a tyre that is narrower than ideal for a performance car and it won't have very good traction as it's pumped up to 50 psi [ or at least should be ] cos the profile is so low.

The 20's on the VE's are a different story as the wheels size is bigger I still reckon they are a bit big though.

cheers

[VU_SS_UTE]

:argue:
Thats great if you want to hang at maccas with the doof doof gang but if you want to drive it every day you should make it work properly.

A lot of us older guys have had cars that looked great but rode like shit .. the rage was jacking up the rear with big rubber on the back.... looked great but handled terrible.
You will find same with very low especially on the rear as well ....car looks great but rides and handles poorly. :woot:


It's similar with wheels and tyres some guy ... Dunlop I think was his name invented pneumatic tyres, he found that buy putting air in them the ride quality was improved.
Whilst I am a fan of low profile tyres I still believe that there has to be some give in the sidewall to aid comfort with everyday motoring.

What I find completely bizzare is putting 20" x 9" rims on then having to put skinny 225 tyres on em because they won't clear the bloody guards. So you have a tyre that is narrower than ideal for a performance car and it won't have very good traction as it's pumped up to 50 psi [ or at least should be ] cos the profile is so low.

The 20's on the VE's are a different story as the wheels size is bigger I still reckon they are a bit big though.

cheers

Sorry I cant agree that jacking the ass end up over massive rubber ever looked good lol.

I actually completely agree with people going for 20s and have skinny rubber on them being stupid. In my opinion (not worth much but hey) for VT-VZ 19s are about perfect, I can fit 245s (wider than stock) under mine still even though its dumped and 19" tires arent much worse than 17/18s if at all when it comes to handling.

Back onto the lowering thing, I just cant see the point of doing it if the cars not sitting perfectly level (side skirts not this wheel arch rubbish). Ass up just look stupid, theres a reason most of my mates call it "torrie style", cause thats where it should be left!

[Paxton]

Well said. Couldn't agree more. If lowering your car is not providing an increase in function and performance then don't do it.

What if you just like the look? (which I'd say is the most common factor in people's choice to lower their cars). Surely that's a valid reason...

A good example of this is the rear of an SS ute with factory suspension... looks way better lowered to sit nice and level with the front.

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

I believe that the rear should be slightly higher which in most cases it is, that is if you are looking at the whole car and not just the gap in the arches.

First and foremost the car should be properly balanced and functional before looks is taken into consideration.

cheers

Showing your age Enforcer :lmao:

Raised backs are so 1970

Same height between the skirt and the ground both ends :dance:

[SS Enforcer]

Showing your age Enforcer :lmao:

Raised backs are so 1970

Same height between the skirt and the ground both ends :dance:

So when I put people in the car it should drag it's ass around .

look I agree that it looks good when they are parked but I buy a car to drive not look at.

I had 2 commies parked near me today, a VX with 20's on it and very low and a VY with 19" and very low as well. The vx's rear wheels were sticking out badly due to worn bushes or no kit fitted , the vy's wern't as bad but car was still very low, must have been a real bastard to ride in with the absence of suspension travel ... but it looked good thats what matters.


Sorry I cant agree that jacking the ass end up over massive rubber ever looked good lol.

Back onto the lowering thing, I just cant see the point of doing it if the cars not sitting perfectly level (side skirts not this wheel arch rubbish). Ass up just look stupid, theres a reason most of my mates call it "torrie style", cause thats where it should be left!


Hey it used to look good !!! :hmmm: if the cars behind didn't have a good look at your newly painted or chromed diff it just wasn't high enough.
You never had to look under the side of a car to what zorst it had on it just stand behind it. :dance:

[Tron2004]

330mm wheel centre to guard FRONT
320mm wheel centre to guard REAR

That puts mine at a very very slight angle rear to front.
Load the shopping in the boot or a couple of mates in the back and we're on the level.
Very pleased with the way it looks.

[VU_SS_UTE]

So when I put people in the car it should drag it's ass around .

look I agree that it looks good when they are parked but I buy a car to drive not look at.

I had 2 commies parked near me today, a VX with 20's on it and very low and a VY with 19" and very low as well. The vx's rear wheels were sticking out badly due to worn bushes or no kit fitted , the vy's wern't as bad but car was still very low, must have been a real bastard to ride in with the absence of suspension travel ... but it looked good thats what matters.




Hey it used to look good !!! :hmmm: if the cars behind didn't have a good look at your newly painted or chromed diff it just wasn't high enough.
You never had to look under the side of a car to what zorst it had on it just stand behind it. :dance:

We still have them getting around tassie lol! Can see the bloody bottom of the radiator driving behind them.

[BEWARE]

parallel, raked is far to 70s torana, even slightly, if its for function and track days etc, then set it up for performance, any other way is for looks and should be pretty much level!

[xquizit]

Hey Tron2004 you got any picks of your ride cause your height sounds exactly what im after. I got mine lowered & its sitting 315 at the rear but the front only came down to 340-345 but the kit is perfectly parallel to the ground. I'm getting the front dropped abit lower cause i think the front should be slightly lower because I think at the moment it looks like im driving around with s*!t in my boot.

[Tron2004]

Hey Tron2004 you got any picks of your ride cause your height sounds exactly what im after.
Here ya go...

http://users.on.net/~tron2005/MSDCF_%20001.jpg

[xquizit]

Thanks mate, your car looks sweet.
When i learn how to post photos i'll put some up of mine. I'll do a serach now on how to hoist photos. Thanks

[JHamilton]

I can't speak for the Commodore as I've never seen one, but when I lowered my car I kept the tire to fender gap equal front to back. I lowered the front 1" and the back 1/2". This kept a slight rake to the car, but not really noticeable to the naked eye.

Also, measure your car from the bottom of the rim to eliminate differences in the terrain as a variable.