SS-V, reverse park sensors, optional steering wheel

[Wonky]

I'm going to order an SS-V soon and have a limited budget for extras at the moment, so want to work out which can cost-effectively be added later with no real drama.

Having had reverse parking sensors on my VZ I definitely want them again but am prepared to go without for a while and add them later IF the dealer or an auto elec can fit them and definitely get it right. From the VE SS-V thread it seems that on the SS-V the rear park sensors should not only give an audible warning but also display something on the SS-V colour screen, so more complicated than on VZ. However someone in that thread only had the auditory warning and nothing on the screen. Does that just mean whoever fitted them stuffed up (assuming they weren't done on the assembly line) or is it like the sunroof which really has to be done on the assembly line (to get the screen display working too)?

Could someone with one describe what actually displays on the screen please? My dealer hasn't got one to show me.

I'd also like the optional $400+ steering wheel but does anyone know if that can be purchased later and replace the original or does the airbag make that difficult/impossible? Just that no matter whether you get an Omega or an SS-V the optional steering wheel is the same price. I figured if I could get that later I could then sell my standard SS-V one to offset some of the cost.

Thanks,
Gary

[Janus]

As far as I was aware the SS-V only has the audible warning for the rear parking assist and the display on the central screen was only on the Calais V, I presume because it also has the front assist.

I could be wrong because I haven't actually tried it in an SS-V, but as I said, that is my understanding.

[AussieTone]

I'd also like the optional $400+ steering wheel but does anyone know if that can be purchased later and replace the original or does the airbag make that difficult/impossible? Just that no matter whether you get an Omega or an SS-V the optional steering wheel is the same price. I figured if I could get that later I could then sell my standard SS-V one to offset some of the cost.

Thanks,
Gary

Check into this one closely. The price on the Web is if you purchase when buying the car. I think you will find the price through the spares department is different i.e. should be more.

I am only assuming this as when I had my optional wheel and gear knob fitted I told them to put the old ones in the boot. They came back to me that the price was for change over and if I wanted the standard leather wheel and knob that they had just replaced it would cost me $150 extra. They explained that these items that have been changed over (delivery km only) went back through the system and are on sold to other companies. I assume they are talking about companies like NVU.

Hope they were telling me the truth and not a load of Porkies. If it was me and I had to choose I would go the wheel and get the parking sensors fitted at a later date. Let’s face it, you hold the wheel all the time when driving but only reverse so often

[Wonky]

As far as I was aware the SS-V only has the audible warning for the rear parking assist and the display on the central screen was only on the Calais V, I presume because it also has the front assist.

I could be wrong because I haven't actually tried it in an SS-V, but as I said, that is my understanding.
Hmmm, now I'm confused as that contradicts what Black AH CDX (who I'm pretty sure is based at a dealership) said in post #106 of the VE SSV thread. He said:

"In the models without the colour screen the optional reverse sensors are audiable only.

In ss-v u get the screen warning too"

That was what prompted my question. Guess we need people with SS-Vs with rear park sensors to tell us what happens with theirs.

[Controltech]

I got rear park assist with my SSV and it is audible only. It is fitted by HSVi. Only the Calais V has the visual on the screen as rear park assist is fitted on the production line with on the Calais.

[kramtsew]

I have the rear park assist and only get the audible warning.
I am still hassling the dealer to find out why it does not come up o te screen.
It seemed like a simple question but they are very slow with any answers. I am still hoping that it can be done with software upgrade or something such like.

[BadMac]

The HSV's E-Series have rear (front on Senator only) sensors standard and they come up on the screen, so its going to be software or wiring harness related.

[BLACK expreSS-V]

If anybody can get me a complete wiring diagram for the VE - I have a guy that can do anything.

Of particular interest is the reverse sensors working on the screen and connecting a non-GMH DVD unit and extra screens.

Surely someone has access to a VE schematic diagram?

[CalaisRider]

I was supposed to pick up my Calais V today at 4pm. On checking they had the original black wheel and gear knob on it rather than the seat matching leather.

They are now fitting the correct colour matched sprorts wheel and gear knob at the dealership, so its certainly something you can put on at any time - cost variance at a later date I am not sure.

The parking sensors translate to audio beep plus have a car drawn on the center screen on the consol and three bars spreading outwards front and rear of the car. Dependant where the location of the object is, the radiating bars become less - L corner and the three left corner bars go down in number as you get closer - directly behind you and all bars get less and less as you get closer, R and the right bars get less - pretty trick when you see it and works well!!

[Momo]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

[R8VX2]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

Yeah, and for people who live in a world where nothing changes, where there's no little kids that could walk behind your car, etc. :rolleyes:

[CalaisRider]

Yeah, and for people who live in a world where nothing changes, where there's no little kids that could walk behind your car, etc. :rolleyes:


I'm with him - more is never enough:thumbsup:

[VYSSBlack]

From what I can tell the optional steering wheel is already fitted to the SSV.

[muzza]

Momo:
No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

So spoken by someone who appears to never need to reverse park into tight spots - welcome to the big city!

Sensors are rippa - take most of the guess work out - what is the cost of repairing damage to your and/or other car by a biff? What cost a child's life?

[bennoxr8]

Can't agree more about reverse sensors being a great thing. Imagine having to make your company car available for any old hack to drive!

I test drove a Calais a while back and it had the on-screen car display, its a nice to have, but really, when you're executing a parking manouver, the centre screen is the last place you want to be looking.

[aahsv]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

yeah, also why do we need wheels, lets go back to riding horses....lol

[Wonky]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.
Fortunately Mr Stoneage Man most people are too clever to agree with your macho point of view - see also http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=60557

[VY2ENJOY]

My Father in Laws VE Calais (not a Calais V) has the display on the screen, when we were looking at the dealers they said any model with the screen and parking sensors will have the display come up, bit hard to see sometimes when the sun shining on it though.

[CalaisRider]

Just a message to all on a more serious note!!

My being in Emergency Services I can't help but wonder how many childrens lives would have been saved by the new technology on the Calais V and others with same system. I have been there and its is horrible when an innocent and loved child gets run over in the driveway as they can't be seen when the driver is reversing.

There are many instances of this each year. Real world food for though guys!!

[dc_macca]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

I totally agree. IMO sensors are a waste of time and only make the driver lazier when reversing...

I didn't hear anyone whinging about their ability to park their car (or, more importantly, watch out for children) before parking sensors became available - and now they seem the "must have" option!

From my experience with them on our Toyota Kluger (and, of course, the 'Dore ones may or may not be better/more effective), they take too long to activate and don't cover a sufficient amount of space (ie they don't identify certain shaped objects).

Bottom line is, if you take your time to check behind you properly and are competent enough to know your love and joy's dimensions (in this case, I'm talking about the car :) then they just aren't needed.





...Oh, and they make the front and back bumpers look like crap too. :hide:

[CalaisRider]

I totally agree. IMO sensors are a waste of time and only make the driver lazier when reversing...

I didn't hear anyone whinging about their ability to park their car (or, more importantly, watch out for children) before parking sensors became available - and now they seem the "must have" option!

From my experience with them on our Toyota Kluger (and, of course, the 'Dore ones may or may not be better/more effective), they take too long to activate and don't cover a sufficient amount of space (ie they don't identify certain shaped objects).

Bottom line is, if you take your time to check behind you properly and are competent enough to know your love and joy's dimensions (in this case, I'm talking about the car :) then they just aren't needed.





...Oh, and they make the front and back bumpers look like crap too. :hide:



And I bet no-one on this forum complained about seat belts before they became mandatory and the death toll dropped - truth is they were not in the cars and so no-one complained in those days either- now its an automatic action to put a seatbelt on.

Sorry to say that kids do get hit, mamed and killed and maybe people don't complain on this forum but your not human if you don't feel for the parents of such events. Hopefully it never happens to you!! No matter what the car, You cannot see a child close behind when reversing. The Calias V will pick up a 2 inch post at about 10 metres so it would surely pick up a kid. If the technology assists - "all hail the technology"

Talkin to a guy a couple of days ago and he was in a driveway doing some work, he jumped in his Navara Ute and started backing up (thought it was clear) and ran over the bonnet of an almost brand new new Audi who had suddenly come in behind him without knowing - if killing kids and life doesn't matter to you maybe costly accident repairs to cars will get the message accross your head better - I rest my case!!

Electronic Stability Control, ABS, 4 wheel disc brakes is another example of fine technology that all goes to assist safety whist driving however you want - maybe we should just go back to 1970s technology and take our chances.

In your case, if you just want a car for looks alone and the tiny sensors on the bumpers worry you so much my suggestion is just keep buying old bangers and do em up!!!

[BLACK expreSS-V]

Back on topic guys. Someone get me a VE wiring diagram and lets see what we can do...

[AussieTone]

No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

I think you are missing the point. This is a driver’s aid not a replacement for skill or a brain. I still remember when passenger side mirrors were introduced as an option. Where would we be today without them.

Driving aids are simply that, an aid to make driving safer. I do not have reversing sensors fitted however I believe they are a good idea especially given how the modern cars have a lot less ‘effective’ rear vision due to higher boot lines, spoilers etc. I do have other aids fitted like ABS ESP, BA etc yet I believe I can still drive without them. They do however ‘aid’ my driving and add to the overall enjoyment I experience plus adding to the safety.

If one child is saved from becoming injured or worse then they have more than paid for themselves in design alone. I suggest that anyone who has had the misfortune to injure a child whilst reversing would pay any amount asked to have an aid to avoid this.

[CalaisRider]

Well said AussieTone.

That was all my point was about, in some circumstances progress and driver aids are a wonderful thing!!

[chopsy]

I've ordered an SS-V, should be here this week. I wanted the optional reversing sensor, but wondered if it would appear on the screen visually as per the Calais. To find out for sure, I emailed Holden via the website, and they replied very quicly to confirm that no, the optional extra on the SS-V only provides an audible warning. Still worth getting, but a shame that it doesn't integrate fully. Presumably the screen is the same specs? If anyone can figure out how to upgrade, count me in!

[wrenfrew]

I picked up my Calais (NOT Calais V) on Friday - I'd already driven both a Calais V and Calais. In the V, the sensors were showing up on the screen - in forward and reverse, given that it also has front sensors.
The Calais I drove did NOT show the graphic on the screen.
HOWEVER, my Calais DOES show the graphic (obviously only with bars for the back of the car).
My belief is that one of two things happened:
- They upgraded the software, or
- Something in the settings triggered it to work. The only thing re park assist in the settings is to tell the system if you have a towbar or not - if you do, the sensors sound flatlines and screen bars go red earlier to compensate for the distance the towbar protrudes. Whether setting this triggered the onscreen display or not, I don't know... Weirder things have happened.

Similarly, I got the car to display time in 12 hour instead of 24 hour time, but I have no %@#$ idea what I did to get that to happen! It's not covered in the manual.

[BLACK expreSS-V]

I picked up my Calais (NOT Calais V) on Friday - I'd already driven both a Calais V and Calais. In the V, the sensors were showing up on the screen - in forward and reverse, given that it also has front sensors.
The Calais I drove did NOT show the graphic on the screen.
HOWEVER, my Calais DOES show the graphic (obviously only with bars for the back of the car).
My belief is that one of two things happened:
- They upgraded the software, or
- Something in the settings triggered it to work. .

Unbelievable isn't it.

The dealers don't know and Holden says no.

But the R8 and GTS get it to work, now we hear of a Calais (non V model) working with the rear sensors...

If only we had access to a full wiring / schematic diagram for all the VE models we could start to work it out.

[goofafidamedes]

It appears that there is a lot of stuff that Holden does not know about the car, especially the software and its features.

Who did they get to program the software? M$? For $1 billion dollars spent, they sure don't know a lot about the beast they have created. To not know some of the physical quirks is tolerable (see the latest recall to do with seat belts - that happens), to not know the features of the car software when features have to be explicitly written in - is somewhat shortsighted in my opinion.

To have your premium model cars out there with several "versions" of the reversing software/configuration (leading to FUD about it) is lazy. Especially if the part about the Calais that wrenfrew explained is true.

I ask the question - do Holden even truly know what is standard/optional on these cars? For all the planning and forethought and project management that goes into conceiving, designing, engineering, testing, building, marketing and selling cars, I'd be thinking that it's a little bit of disorganisation.

Having said all this, the VE and the leap it represents for GM and on a smaller scale, the industry, is great and I hope it works out for all involved.

[Wonky]

Just ordered my SS-V and went for the reverse park sensors even if they don't show on the screen as it sounds like they don't. However, do have some contacts so will see if I can get hold of a wiring schematic as Black ExpreSS-V asked for. Are you in that field Black or would you have to get someone else to check them out?

Didn't go for the optional steering wheel though as they are available from dealers for about the $400 quoted on the Build and Price part of the website and then you can sell the SS-V one to offset some of the cost.

Anyone know what is involved in swapping steering wheels? How hard to do? I assume most of it should be easy - only problem is not setting off the airbag????

[CalaisRider]

On the steering wheel issue. Just my opinion, make sure you try/drive with the sports one first (I didn't). I have one and absolutely love the look of it and trim colour match but don't really like the feel of it due to thickness and various mould shapes of the grips.

Not saying don't get one, but for me at this stage of driving it for a week or so, I don't think I would get the sports steering wheel option if I had my time over again.

Pete

[BLACK expreSS-V]

However, do have some contacts so will see if I can get hold of a wiring schematic as Black ExpreSS-V asked for. Are you in that field Black or would you have to get someone else to check them out?

Thanks for that. If you could get something - that would be great.

Yep - I'm pretty handy with that stuff, but also have an auto electrician and an electrical engineer close by...

[Wonky]

On the steering wheel issue. Just my opinion, make sure you try/drive with the sports one first (I didn't). I have one and absolutely love the look of it and trim colour match but don't really like the feel of it due to thickness and various mould shapes of the grips.

Not saying don't get one, but for me at this stage of driving it for a week or so, I don't think I would get the sports steering wheel option if I had my time over again.

Pete
Pete, I'd certainly try one before buying (will probably be late March before I get my SS-V) but have only seen them in pictures. What are the differences between them and the standard SS-V ones as you see it (ignoring colour difference)? Do you (or anybody) know how they compare to the E series Clubby wheels or are those much the same as SS-V?

Gary

[planetdavo]

To all those getting hot and bothered about parking sensors, Holden have two totally different versions...STANDARD factory fitted, and ACCESSORY dealer fitted, depending on model. They are both VERY different.


No offence to anyone but seriously reverse parking sensors are for people who can't drive. If you need audible beeps when reversing then you should not be driving a car.

Working on this theory, why do you need bumpers? If you don't intend to run in to anything, they are just a waste of time right...?
Talk about one of the most stupid comments I've ever read on here......
I'd love to know how many kids and pets have been saved with these, not to mention small paint repairs.

[CalaisRider]

To all those getting hot and bothered about parking sensors, Holden have two totally different versions...STANDARD factory fitted, and ACCESSORY dealer fitted, depending on model. They are both VERY different.



Working on this theory, why do you need bumpers? If you don't intend to run in to anything, they are just a waste of time right...?
Talk about one of the most stupid comments I've ever read on here......
I'd love to know how many kids and pets have been saved with these, not to mention small paint repairs.


Goodonya Davo, Hence my passion (aside from cars); having seen it in real life all too many times and that IMHO what was said was absolutely stupid and by a person totally oblivious and uninformed of the real world:yup:


Pete, I'd certainly try one before buying (will probably be late March before I get my SS-V) but have only seen them in pictures. What are the differences between them and the standard SS-V ones as you see it (ignoring colour difference)? Do you (or anybody) know how they compare to the E series Clubby wheels or are those much the same as SS-V?

Gary

Ignore my previous comment. the sports steerin wheel is a thing you get comfortable with and I probably wouldn't change now!!

I dunno what the differences are between the cars steering wheel that you nominate, I only test drove the Calais and the HSV GTS as that was all I was interested in.

I am pretty critcal and analytical by nature and what I warned of I did feel was noteworthy at the time - even though it was my own new car!!

Gary, if I had no budget to worry about and in retrospect, I would still pick the Calais V with 20" wheels and a few mods over the GTS or in fact a German marque, and would actually opt for the sports steering wheel, as I did. I know it sounds like a sheela turncoat, but time and experience has melded things together nicely:bravo:

[Wonky]

I dunno what the differences are between the cars steering wheel that you nominate, I only test drove the Calais and the HSV GTS as that was all I was interested in.

I am pretty critcal and analytical by nature and what I warned of I did feel was noteworthy at the time - even though it was my own new car!!

Gary, if I had no budget to worry about and in retrospect, I would still pick the Calais V with 20" wheels and a few mods over the GTS or in fact a German marque, and would actually opt for the sports steering wheel, as I did. I know it sounds like a sheela turncoat, but time and experience has melded things together nicely:bravo:
Thanks Pete - good to hear as if nothing else I'd like the optional steering wheel with the red highlights on it (and the red gear knob) just to lift the interior a bit. After a red VY and two impulse VZ's I've gone boring this time with Nickel and black/grey leather so it needs a bit of a lift. Figured the red leather dash would have been a bit much for me after a while, though would have loved red seats with black dash. Then again would really have loved a black SS-V as on the road they look great (when clean) but I'm a fussy bastard and keeping it clean would have soon driven me crazy! :vpo:

Your car sounds like it will be fantastic with the mods you're having done!! :burnout:

[CalaisRider]

Thanks Pete - good to hear as if nothing else I'd like the optional steering wheel with the red highlights on it (and the red gear knob) just to lift the interior a bit. After a red VY and two impulse VZ's I've gone boring this time with Nickel and black/grey leather so it needs a bit of a lift. Figured the red leather dash would have been a bit much for me after a while, though would have loved red seats with black dash. Then again would really have loved a black SS-V as on the road they look great (when clean) but I'm a fussy bastard and keeping it clean would have soon driven me crazy! :vpo:

Your car sounds like it will be fantastic with the mods you're having done!! :burnout:

This is a link to the photos of it that VooDoo posted for me. Shows the steering wheel a bit in a couple of em. Was how I bought it - initial mods came following week. http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=65056&page=2

:)

[useless]

Reverse sensors are a must on a car.However if you get a reverse camera with it you will never look back. What is the price of a kids life? Also impacting your new cae on an unseen object is always painful. I have installed many reverse sensors in the past but one thing that recurrs is that those with the visual and audo sensors get used to the sound and dont use the visual display of the kit.Strange but true.

[Wonky]

If anybody can get me a complete wiring diagram for the VE - I have a guy that can do anything.

Of particular interest is the reverse sensors working on the screen and connecting a non-GMH DVD unit and extra screens.

Surely someone has access to a VE schematic diagram?
I will have one soon but my contact is out of the country at present. Probably won't be the whole thing but the reverse sensors and screen parts for SS-V and Calais-V at least. Forgot to ask about the other bits relating to DVD but that shouldn't be a hassle.

[Blokesworld]

To all those getting hot and bothered about parking sensors, Holden have two totally different versions...STANDARD factory fitted, and ACCESSORY dealer fitted, depending on model. They are both VERY different.

I remembered seeing a thread a while back about rear park assist and did a search and found this one but I don't think it's the thread I was looking for. That aside, is anyone able to expand on planetdavo's quote above? If I'm looking at buying an SSV or SS and tick the box to have rear park assist fitted, would the rear park assist be done at the factory or dealer?
Cheers

[Mojo]

Mine was done in Adelaide before delivery... apparently they take it to HSV to have it installed or so I was told... no complaints and wouldn't be without it in these big buggers.....

And please don't confuse me with Momo.... I say enough stupid stuff on LS1 meself without people confusing me with some other silly twat and doubling my twat factor :eyes:

[mmjlw]

I have a redhot SS-V with a black track strip and red interior with the optional sports steering wheel with red inserst and a res sports gear lever. might sound like a lot of red but it looks fantastic would change it.:xmas:

[Brandonsdad]

I'm going to order an SS-V soon and have a limited budget for extras at the moment, so want to work out which can cost-effectively be added later with no real drama.

Having had reverse parking sensors on my VZ I definitely want them again but am prepared to go without for a while and add them later IF the dealer or an auto elec can fit them and definitely get it right. From the VE SS-V thread it seems that on the SS-V the rear park sensors should not only give an audible warning but also display something on the SS-V colour screen, so more complicated than on VZ. However someone in that thread only had the auditory warning and nothing on the screen. Does that just mean whoever fitted them stuffed up (assuming they weren't done on the assembly line) or is it like the sunroof which really has to be done on the assembly line (to get the screen display working too)?

Could someone with one describe what actually displays on the screen please? My dealer hasn't got one to show me.

I'd also like the optional $400+ steering wheel but does anyone know if that can be purchased later and replace the original or does the airbag make that difficult/impossible? Just that no matter whether you get an Omega or an SS-V the optional steering wheel is the same price. I figured if I could get that later I could then sell my standard SS-V one to offset some of the cost.

Thanks,
Gary

If I was you I would forget the reversing sensors, but then again Ive never had them though. I have a mate that has them and they didnt sense the pole that he reversed into, and crunch. Very funny indeed. Lucky it was a company car. Do they pick up if there is a tow bar that you are reversing towards?

[dass-v]

does anyone know of the difference's between the factory and aftermarket dealer fitt sensors i was told that the aftermarket 1 can cause probs with the computer and the will only fit the factory type.....

[Wonky]

does anyone know of the difference's between the factory and aftermarket dealer fitt sensors i was told that the aftermarket 1 can cause probs with the computer and the will only fit the factory type.....
Not sure how well this answers your question but last night I posted the following in the "reverse parking in ve ssv" thread which may give you some info:

My research so far has found out one thing which may impact those people (like me!) who wanted to try to make their reverse park sensors display on their centre screen a la Calais V. Apparently the cars which come with reverse park sensors as standard run a Bosch system and those who have them installed as an option eg on SSV, run a Lumen system, even if done on the assembly line.

I'm guessing given the complexity of the electrical systems that these two are different enough that it won't be possible to make the Lumen system display like the Bosch one on the centre screen. Apparently the Bosch sensors are flush mounted in the bumpers whereas the Lumen ones sit proud.

[uyell]

It looks like the 60th Anniversery SS-V does have the rear park assist display -

http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/60/ssv.html#/anniversary/%/

Check out the graphic on this webpage for rear park assist - it has a photo of the screen.

It must be a software upgrade for non-60th anniversary SS-V series cars?
Surely it is the same hardware?

* Would like to get this going on my SS-V with the optional park assist that was supposedly factory fitted..

[Wonky]

Very interesting!! However, based on what I was told by Lumen who make the sensors for the non upmarket models I would assume that Holden must have specifically installed the Bosch (Calais V etc) system on the assembly line in these 60th Anniversary models as I was led to believe it was not a simple upgrade given all the electronics involved.

Sure hope I'm wrong!! :yup:

[Calais V 6.0]

Bringing back an old thread here.... My wife just told me she was going to suprise me with a new sports steering wheel for the SS.

About 10seconds after that she mentions the quote....... $1600!!!!!!!

Is it gold plated? Told her not to bother... Thanks Holden!:flipoff:

[CSP]

The HSV ones are $450 ish plus labour to fit. Was going to get one for my Calais, then just bought a HSV instead ;) lol

[Wonky]

Bringing back an old thread here.... My wife just told me she was going to suprise me with a new sports steering wheel for the SS.

About 10seconds after that she mentions the quote....... $1600!!!!!!!

Is it gold plated? Told her not to bother... Thanks Holden!:flipoff:

If you're interested I have a red highlights HSVi steering wheel and A6 gear knob that I bought for someone ages ago but didn't end up giving them. Both brand new, never fitted. Total value almost $500. Sell for $425.

Probably an hour or less in total to fit according to the guy who fitted my own - I love 'em!! :yup: