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goofafidamedes

10-11-2006, 01:47 PM

This isn't good... 2nd recall for the VE.

But at least they are proactive and issuing a recall. They're not hiding from this.

Link - The Age.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/holden-hit-with-second-commodore-recall/2006/11/10/1162661877314.html)

Goof.

Ryzz

10-11-2006, 01:51 PM

This isn't good... 2nd recall for the VE.A Recall is hardly anything to be concerned about. Its a brand new car that was built from the ground up. There is only so much that internal shakedown testing can find. Every new car has recalls to get things fixed, hardly worth worrying about :rolleyes:

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 02:01 PM

A Recall is hardly anything to be concerned about. Its a brand new car that was built from the ground up. There is only so much that internal shakedown testing can find. Every new car has recalls to get things fixed, hardly worth worrying about :rolleyes:

Exactly! In one of the papers last week 2 Honda models were recalled, this is just part of car manufacturing. I certainly do not see it as a problem, I am happy they are fixing anything that creeps up.

goofafidamedes

10-11-2006, 02:22 PM

A Recall is hardly anything to be concerned about. Its a brand new car that was built from the ground up. There is only so much that internal shakedown testing can find. Every new car has recalls to get things fixed, hardly worth worrying about :rolleyes:

Yeah, I personally am not concerned about the car. I'd have one in a heartbeat. :driving:

I'm concerned for Holden as to how the media beat it up and how that in turn effects sales.

EddieVE06

10-11-2006, 02:27 PM

Not good again. All the excuses of new car. Well its been in testing for god knows how many years. 3.2 million testing km. the most tested ever commodore and then more crap.

Not good enough

Danv8

10-11-2006, 02:32 PM

Not good again. All the excuses of new car. Well its been in testing for god knows how many years. 3.2 million testing km. the most tested ever commodore and then more crap.

Not good enough

Yeah but all that testing does not guarantee who ever supplies Holden with parts is going to be 100%.

More like the supplier of the seat belt buckles have sent a bad batch.

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 02:36 PM

Not good again. All the excuses of new car. Well its been in testing for god knows how many years. 3.2 million testing km. the most tested ever commodore and then more crap.

Not good enough

Who cares, every car manufacturer in the world have recalls. I have a VE and am in the build range where I need the fuel hose issue rectified and obviously the seatbelt will need to be fixed but I wont blink an eye lid over it, I love my car and these things are always going to occur so whats the difference. I just enjoy the car and let holden fux the things for free when it gets services no probs bob.

EddieVE06

10-11-2006, 02:37 PM

Yeah but all that testing does not guarantee who ever supplies Holden with parts is going to be 100%.

More like the supplier of the seat belt buckles have sent a bad batch.

Sorry wouldn't holden have looked at these issues or would they have built the car and then said ok lets find people to supply the products. Isn't it called Product testing or is Holden only worried about engines and suspension. given the outcome of the sv6 test with xr8 and aurion they are failing that also

Ryzz

10-11-2006, 02:38 PM

Not good again. All the excuses of new car. Well its been in testing for god knows how many years. 3.2 million testing km. the most tested ever commodore and then more crap.

Not good enoughGet off your high horse for a minute here mate. Holden didnt even find the problem, they were ADVISED it COULD happen by the supplier/manufacturer that during routine investigation they found there was a slight chance (probably less than 1%, but still a chance) they could come undone if something got bent in the build process. Holden said that have had ZERO cases reported thus far.

Helps if you read the facts before you start jumping up and down :rolleyes:

Road Warrior

10-11-2006, 02:41 PM

You will also find that most recalls are carried out without the owner knowing, when the cars are returned for servicing :)

EddieVE06

10-11-2006, 02:42 PM

Get off your high horse for a minute here mate. Holden didnt even find the problem, they were ADVISED it COULD happen by the supplier/manufacturer that during routine investigation they found there was a slight chance (probably less than 1%, but still a chance) they could come undone if something got bent in the build process. Holden said that have had ZERO cases reported thus far.

Helps if you read the facts before you start jumping up and down :rolleyes:

And if two kids died had the buckles not worked. who gets the bad publicity holden or the parts company.

V8Symphony

10-11-2006, 02:44 PM

I guess that's what warranty is for?

It's really no big deal, I don't understand why people need to get fired up about it?

mustanger

10-11-2006, 02:44 PM

Get off your high horse for a minute here mate. Holden didnt even find the problem, they were ADVISED it COULD happen by the supplier/manufacturer that during routine investigation they found there was a slight chance (probably less than 1%, but still a chance) they could come undone if something got bent in the build process. Holden said that have had ZERO cases reported thus far.

Helps if you read the facts before you start jumping up and down :rolleyes:

I agree totally. I actually do not mind recalls as it shows that the manufacturer is willing to do something about it ,rather than hiding the fact .:hide:

Ryzz

10-11-2006, 02:45 PM

And if two kids died had the buckles not worked. who gets the bad publicity holden or the parts company.IF the buckles had been that bad, they would have found that issue BEFORE they were released to the public. As stated and the fact you seem to like looking over, NO ISSUES HAVE BEEN REPORTED, it was identified by the supplier during routine testing. Why dont you go ask Holden for the faults list of all the issues they identified during shakedown testing, hopefully that will make you happier to see that DID identify issues :rolleyes:

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 02:46 PM

And if two kids died had the buckles not worked. who gets the bad publicity holden or the parts company.

Goodness I think you're getting a bit beyond the issue. I have been to many fatal accidents, it would be anyones guess if an item broke etc resulting in the death of the driver/passenger. Plus as stated nothing has failed as yet, it is being done on the off chance, shouldn't we be applauding and encouraging this service? I mean Holden could say bugger all because we all know the media will made it out far worse! But no they put safety first and instead of whinging maybe give them a pat on the back....

Ryzz

10-11-2006, 02:48 PM

Danv8

10-11-2006, 02:51 PM

EddieVE06

10-11-2006, 02:53 PM

IF the buckles had been that bad, they would have found that issue BEFORE they were released to the public. As stated and the fact you seem to like looking over, NO ISSUES HAVE BEEN REPORTED, it was identified by the supplier during routine testing. Why dont you go ask Holden for the faults list of all the issues they identified during shakedown testing, hopefully that will make you happier to see that DID identify issues :rolleyes:

Sorry maybe I have always thought that the sun shines out of Holdens Behind given I've always driven a Holden and after all the talk of so much money spent maybe some of us thought a great product had been released. Not so...lets see how many more come out and next time they should keep their mouths shut coz as you can see the media is the first to jump at the bad press. Anyway I'll always drive a Holden my thought is that with all the other niggles every one else is having I personally would be pissed to the max to have to go back to the dealer so often :beer:

klink

10-11-2006, 02:55 PM

Sorry wouldn't holden have looked at these issues or would they have built the car and then said ok lets find people to supply the products. Isn't it called Product testing or is Holden only worried about engines and suspension. given the outcome of the sv6 test with xr8 and aurion they are failing that also

Im not sure as to your work, but in the manufacturing industry, there are numerous variable, be it a case of the wrong mixture of plastics used in the injection moulding faze for the plastic bit. Or it only needs a small defect in the metal composition of the toungue etc to have an effect on its strength etc.

I have seen how fussy holden are with their suppliers and have made parts for them myself (manifolds hfv6) and they were that fussy as to the external texture of the parts.

and i have been involved in the moulding of hsv bumpers etc, and if some of the bits where missing a soft rubber washer or one washer had a crack the whole batch would be returned to the supplier.

so every new product has teething problems and somethings are out of their control as im sure the test vehicles where a different batch of parts supplied to holden as to the ones they are recalling.

just my opinion

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 02:58 PM

Sorry maybe I have always thought that the sun shines out of Holdens Behind given I've always driven a Holden and after all the talk of so much money spent maybe some of us thought a great product had been released. Not so...lets see how many more come out and next time they should keep their mouths shut coz as you can see the media is the first to jump at the bad press. Anyway I'll always drive a Holden my thought is that with all the other niggles every one else is having I personally would be pissed to the max to have to go back to the dealer so often :beer:

Mate all I can say is I have had my SS-V for just over 2 months and I reckon they have done a fantastic job. I love driving this car and it beats all models before it. As I have said I dont care about a shitty little recall which is fixed when the car is getting services does not inconvenience me in any way shape or form. I do not know what model you drive but I guarantee if you were driving a new ss or v series around you would be like me an all other ve owners and be praising the car.

Danv8

10-11-2006, 03:04 PM

Sorry maybe I have always thought that the sun shines out of Holdens Behind given I've always driven a Holden and after all the talk of so much money spent maybe some of us thought a great product had been released. Not so...lets see how many more come out and next time they should keep their mouths shut coz as you can see the media is the first to jump at the bad press. Anyway I'll always drive a Holden my thought is that with all the other niggles every one else is having I personally would be pissed to the max to have to go back to the dealer so often :beer:

Yeah but thats life all cars go through recalls but if you want to see shady recalling dealings then do a google search on Mitsubishi and see how they handled their recalls or how well they swept them under the carpet.

Holden was told about the issue and Holden is dealing with the problems now before something unfortuant happens not afterwards.

EddieVE06

10-11-2006, 03:05 PM

Belzey

10-11-2006, 03:06 PM

Does this recall include the HSVs as well?

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 03:07 PM

Maybe I've just always been blessed with good cars from Holden that never needed anything not given me troubles and as most people they were expecting a lot from the VE.

Anyway I hope to still buy one next year. Cheers

Trust me mate when I say you will love the VE when you slip into it. I have owned half a dozen commodores and the VE is just a massive step up. I have a VY SS as well and as bad as this sounds it is a really bad drive in comparison to the SS-V. Prior to the VE I loved the VY, so well done Holden that's my thoughts.

Venom XR

10-11-2006, 03:20 PM

Mitsubishi and see how they handled their recalls...

Like the bodgy windscreens in the new 380? :lmao:

Bazza76d

10-11-2006, 03:26 PM

Like the bodgy windscreens in the new 380? :lmao:

WHat is the prob with the windscreen?

Danv8

10-11-2006, 03:30 PM

Like the bodgy windscreens in the new 380? :lmao:

More like faulty wheel hubs on their trucks and fires etc

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=4RZ&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Mitsubishi+recall+scandals&spell=1

ORIGINL

10-11-2006, 03:47 PM

http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/cars/scandals/clutch/

interesting read

jaykay

10-11-2006, 04:11 PM

Goodness I think you're getting a bit beyond the issue. I have been to many fatal accidents, it would be anyones guess if an item broke etc resulting in the death of the driver/passenger. Plus as stated nothing has failed as yet, it is being done on the off chance, shouldn't we be applauding and encouraging this service? I mean Holden could say bugger all because we all know the media will made it out far worse! But no they put safety first and instead of whinging maybe give them a pat on the back....
Totally agree with you Bazza, good on Holden for being proactive rather than reactive... :thumbsup:

No skin off my nose, it'll get fixed at the first service. Holden have a Tech Note out about possible faulty engine mounts in the early builds. Looks like mine is one of them. When it goes in I'll take the tech for a drive over a railway crossing, the vibration will occur and they will replace the engine mounts. I'm making sure the Spare Parts Manager has a set in stock so it can be done there and then. His SSV has had it's engine mounts replaced already, that's how I found out what is to be fixed when you get a vibration under the car over a sharp bump or corrugation. It sounds like the exhaust hitting the underbody. It's a vibration through the chassis from the engine mounts...

The dealer has been great about it so it doesn't bother me. I'm loving the VE ... :yahoo:

Mikhael

10-11-2006, 05:13 PM

As a VE owner, this does not bother me at all.

I congratulate Holden for being pro-active and looking after the customers interest's first.

It's the car companies who try to hide their faults that shitts me :cussing:

Ghia351

10-11-2006, 05:31 PM

With manufactuers and or who ever supply parts for car manufacturers can change the parts specifications or make some adjustments at anytime without letting the car manufacturers know.

Actually the reverse is very much the case, if you dare change the spec of a component without full approval by a car manufacturer and even worse don't tell them what you have done ...well...your gone...warranty runs back to suppliers as well....look at Klink's post below for a more accurate idea of how a supplier can be treated.

Im not sure as to your work, but in the manufacturing industry, there are numerous variable, be it a case of the wrong mixture of plastics used in the injection moulding faze for the plastic bit. Or it only needs a small defect in the metal composition of the toungue etc to have an effect on its strength etc.

I have seen how fussy holden are with their suppliers and have made parts for them myself (manifolds hfv6) and they were that fussy as to the external texture of the parts.

and i have been involved in the moulding of hsv bumpers etc, and if some of the bits where missing a soft rubber washer or one washer had a crack the whole batch would be returned to the supplier.

so every new product has teething problems and somethings are out of their control as im sure the test vehicles where a different batch of parts supplied to holden as to the ones they are recalling.

Carby

10-11-2006, 05:43 PM

EDDIEVE06 has a point though - it is certainly not good publicity and it is alright for us here to be understanding on the perils of Mfg, parts supply and how good Holden is to voluntarily recall the vehicles - all good stuff, but the average Joe will just say "Typical Holden Rubbish" fuelled no doubt by Motoring Journo's eagerness to rub Holdens noses in the "Billion Dollar Baby with 3.2M Km's of testing" and to some extent they are right to do so.

I wonder if the all new Aurion will have any recalls?

Danv8

10-11-2006, 05:45 PM

Actually the reverse is very much the case, if you dare change the spec of a component without full approval by a car manufacturer and even worse don't tell them what you have done ...well...your gone...warranty runs back to suppliers as well....look at Klink's post below for a more accurate idea of how a supplier can be treated.

Yeah Klinks was right must be a friday my brain is fried! :)
At least I dont have to work 2night jamming gears. :)

Bravotwozero

10-11-2006, 05:46 PM

I can kind of see Eddie's point. If a simple setbelt buckle can't be manufactured properly, what is the likelihood of something more serious going amiss? Just because it happens with all manufacturers doen't mean it is acceptable.

And if you happen to have kids you carry in the back, you wouldn't be saying "no worries, get it fixed at the first service." It'd be a bigger deal then. I also understand that every car built won't be 100% perfect. We're all human. Even the people making our cars. But having said that, it doesn't mean we should accept it.

Like Eddie said, does it take a dead kid in an accident to make it an issue? Do we have to wait that long? I'd call the chance of a seatbelt coming undone no matter how slim more than a minor issue. To me, a minor issue is a rear bumper not aligning properly. But it seems some people on here think that's far more serious than a potential seatbelt coming undone.

My 2 cents worth :p

Danv8

10-11-2006, 06:01 PM

monaroCountry1

10-11-2006, 06:03 PM

Yeah but thats life all cars go through recalls but if you want to see shady recalling dealings then do a search on Mitsubishi and see how they handled their recalls or how well they swept them under the carpet.

Holden was told about the issue and Holden is dealing with the problems now before something unfortuant happens not afterwards.
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Two right Dan.

Toyota would be another big culprit. Toyota was actually charged by the Japanese police for negligence when it was found out that several of its quality inspectors hid faults and did not issue recalls (since the early 90's). Those workers have since been sacked.

Another toyota story involved its Taundra trucks' airbag. Instead of fixing the problem toyota has simply disabled their airbags. They cite that to fix the problem would cost more than $100 per vehicle. America's National Highway Traffic Administration are doing their best (so far with no success) and forcing toyota in fixing the problem.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060710/AUTO01/607100330/1148

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-How many here know that the prius had a recal due to steering loss?
-How many know that the Toyota Kluger had a recall?
-How many here know that toyota had the biggest growth in recalls this year and I think las year?
-GM has improved but toyota had slipped.
-Toyota has a clip in its transmission fail for their current V6 camry (Aurion) (basically loose several gears). Couldn't be bothered issuing a recall, instead they issued a technical bulletin...............

clixanup

10-11-2006, 06:40 PM

-GM has improved but toyota had slipped.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/AUTO01/601050428/1148

"Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. led the way with more than 6 million and 5 million vehicles recalled, respectively. Toyota Motor Corp. recalled 2.2 million vehicles last year."

Danv8

11-11-2006, 08:01 AM

Well at least AFF is having fun
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=73298

Gee their cars never have problems.

vecommo

11-11-2006, 08:20 AM

Well at least AFF is having fun
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=73298

Gee their cars never have problems.

Typical, would you expect any better from them?

Danv8

11-11-2006, 08:23 AM

Typical, would you expect any better from them?

Get a good laugh from the clowns. :)

I thought it would cheer up some people if they have hangovers or something. :)

Fnomna

11-11-2006, 08:26 AM

This has probably been done before, but

Honda
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=honda&Submit2=Submit
52

Subaru
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=subaru&Submit2=Submit
16

Mazda
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=mazda&Submit2=Submit
35

Toyota
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=toyota&Submit2=Submit
91

They all have recalls too.

Holden
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=holden&Submit2=Submit
86

Bear in mind how many cars each manufacturer sells in Aus. Holden made something like 303000 VTs, 207000 VXs, 241000 VYs, 228000+ VZs.

And the winner is...
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_recall_namesearch.php?product_name=ford&Submit2=Submit
Ford on [*96*].

Quick search on Google for recent recalls
Toyota
1 million cars recalled - steering
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13046349/
418000 recalled - engine
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13916606/
367000 recalled - accelerator
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/07/toyota_recalls.html
160000 recalled - airbag
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060710/AUTO01/607100330/1148
750000 recelled - suspension
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/17/tech/main696042.shtml
...
...

VE/WM's recalls have affected 1500 and 11500 cars.

AussieTone

11-11-2006, 01:00 PM

Saw the tech bulletin at my dealer this morning. Cars manufactured before 11 Sep 06 affected. Checked mine when I got home and it was manufactured in Sep. No idea of the date though, so unless someone can tell me where that is detailed on the vehicle I guess I’ll just wait and see if I get a letter.

Couldn’t see very clearly what changes are done (something like a 12 page instruction document issued by Holden to the Dealers) but it does involve removing the rear seat.

clubbie

11-11-2006, 01:22 PM

Fnoma and Monarocountry

You're both spot on with your comments (I've only skimmed through them) but I would rather have a manufacter recall the possibility of a fault than stick their head in the sand ala Toyota and Mitsubishi (both in japan) and kill innocent people.

Sadly the latter doesn't make good newsprint but a recall of and Australian car is huge.

You don't see regular updates in the paper on Toyota Japan being investigated/sued for not recalling faults over many years as this doesn't make good newsprint.

I would rather have three recalls on my VY (all fixed at regular services) knowing the manufacturer is being proactive in preventing possible problems rather than a manufacturer not recalling (ie Toyota) possible problems and that causing and accident or death.

Prevention is always better than cure.

I value my life, Holdens apparently do but Toyota/Mitsubishi et al don't value their customers life more than the possibilty of bad publicity.

Clubbie

Wayne@GM Motorsport

11-11-2006, 02:57 PM

Not good again. All the excuses of new car. Well its been in testing for god knows how many years. 3.2 million testing km. the most tested ever commodore and then more crap.

Not good enough

ha-ha, poor old eddie, just arrived on the planet did we.... never seen a new car release b4?

Whos give a $hit about these little recalls, they just fix em up at the next service "big deal" im sure its happend with every new car, I remember plenty of them over the years...

Dont be scared eddie, live on the edge brother, go get 1 :stick: you know you want to, your just looking for excuses :burnout:

Ghia351

11-11-2006, 03:08 PM

emg

11-11-2006, 03:32 PM

Wayne@GM Motorsport

11-11-2006, 03:38 PM

I'm more curious to see how long the standard clutch, driveshaft, diff etc will hold up in the VE.. or will it be something like 2 to 3 diff changes in the first 50,000km like the vy and previous models. Such a major component of a car having to be replaced on a regular basis is alarming. :rolleyes:

Yeah to true, my vy ss series 1 only did 85,000 in the 3 years i owned it and 400+ runs down the 1/4 and over 100 passes on NOS and never had a problem with a drive shaft or diff, motor or anything...

some people are just unlucky "or stupid"

myles

11-11-2006, 06:29 PM

...but who has the most recalls for locally made cars? :stick:

Ford's total stems from 1990, but have a look at Ford's record over the past few years, and it has the least amount of recalls.

This perceived Toyota quality, is coming from Toyota's very own marketing machine. Toyota has engine, steering, suspension problems with all it's leading models. The recalls prove that Toyota quality isn't any better than any other car.

EfiJy

11-11-2006, 09:36 PM

have just had my 2004 T/D serviced at 20000K so thought I would share my history with anyone who wants to read it - purchased my prado 12 months ago at Coffs Harbour and had it serviced there for the 5k and 10k services. At the 10k service I complained about vibration - pins and needles type vibration - which was coming mainly thru the steering wheel and mostly felt when the engine was between 1500 and 2000 RPM. The service manager acknowledged what they termed as a "slight drone" coming from the motor and advised me that Toyota was looking into the matter and that there might be a general recall sometime in the future. At the 15k service - done by Lismore dealers - I again complained about the vibration but was informed by them that there was no detectable problem and that any vibration was normal for this vehicle. Today I had the 20k service done - again by Lismore dealers - again I complained - and to my astonishment I was advised that - yep - it was definitely there - that they had contacted Toyota Tech Dept and been advised there is a problem they are experiencing with the T/D and that mine has to be assessed to confirm it is in line with what they are experiencing. If so it is to be fitted with a 90 megahertz dampener (whateverthehellthatis) which will absord the vibration.
Since I originally complained about this problem I have written direct to Totota but received no reply. Also visted internet chat sites but no one else seems to have a similar problem - thought it was just me - even my missus thought I was bonkers.
Now I feel vindicated - anyone else out there with a similar story.
_

if you wanna have a manufacturer not want to acknowlege and fix faults like the above, go ahead an d buy a toyota. do not think that toyotas are without there problems. they have problems alright but you dont hear about them as much probably because older people dont do much net surfing.

btw mitsubishi never had a recall. it doesnt mean they never had problems with there cars though .................coz they covered up all the faults. :lmao:

Frenchy VX SS

12-11-2006, 09:30 AM

Mitsubishi did have a recall on their lancers. Was a sterring rack problem. Had mine recalled and repaired when i owned my 4 door lancer.

monaroCountry1

13-11-2006, 08:31 AM

Some of the joys of owning a Camry, things that the newspapers and drive et al have forgotten to tell us.

I’m surprised that Toyota has had tons of unreported problems. Some of these problems shouldn’t have been Technical Service Bulletins (TSB’s) but Recalls. I guess Toyota’s up to its old “hide the problem” trick.

BTW this is just a fraction of the 2007 Camry’s known problems.

From: http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/local_links/links/40

-SSC 60B Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Airbag Replacement SAFETY RECALL NOTICE

2005 – 2006 Model Year Toyota Avalon, 2007 Model Year Camry, 2004 – 2006 Model Year Prius, 2005 Model Year RAV4, 2005 – 2006 Model Year Scion tC, and 2005 – 2006 Model Year Tacoma vehicles.

Toyota will initiate a Special Service Campaign to replace specific SRS airbag assemblies (Side Airbag, Curtain Side Airbag or Driver Knee Airbag dependent upon the exact VIN) on 73 Toyota vehicles. The 73 vehicles consist of certain 2005 – 2006 Model Year Avalon, 2007 Model Year Camry, 2004 – 2006 Model Year Prius, 2005 Model Year RAV4, 2005 – 2006 Model Year Scion tC, and 2005 – 2006 Model Year Tacoma vehicles. Please refer to the technical instructions to determine the exact VIN and specific airbag assembly which requires replacement.

Due to improper assembly of the airbag inflator, which is incorporated into the SRS airbag assembly (Side Airbag,
Curtain Side Airbag or Driver Knee Airbag), some inflators were produced with an insufficient amount of the heating
agents necessary for proper airbag deployment. In this condition, the expansion force of the gas may be insufficient
to properly inflate the airbag when the SRS system is activated during a collision.

File is associated with other vehicles

-BO015-06 RH INTERIOR A-PILLAR GARNISH LOOSE

Some customers may complain that the right side interior A-pillar garnish is loose or out of position. This condition is caused by an incomplete installation of the A-pillar garnish at the factory. Follow the repair procedure in this bulletin to correct this condition.

-BO017-03 TRIM GARNISH LOOSE

2007 model year Toyota vehicles.

Customers may experience an interior trim panel either loose or fitting poorly due to a deformed or missing panel attachment clips. When a trim garnish (A, B, C, or D pillar garnish, door trim panel, etc.) is removed and reinstalled using the old clips, there is a possibility that the garnish may exhibit a loose condition.

-BO019-06 CENTER CONSOLE DOOR INOPERATIVE

2007 model year Camry NAP–built vehicles

Some customers may complain that the front center console door is difficult to open due to the front center console assembly being misaligned. Please remove and reassemble the front center console assembly using the following procedures to correct this condition.

NOTE: The front center console assembly does NOT need to be replaced.

-ED036-06 FUEL IN EVAP SYSTEM

2007 model year Camry

Some 2006 model year Avalon and 2006 – 2007 model year Camry vehicles may display one of the following complaints as a result of fuel entering the EVAP system through a damaged vent hose inside the fuel tank:

Intermittent stalling at idle when at operating temperature.
Intermittent rough idle when at operating temperature.
M.I.L. “ON” with at least one of the following DTCs stored:

– P0441 (Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow)
– P043E (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice Clog Up)
– P043F (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice High Flow)
– P2401 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump Control Circuit Low)
– P2402 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump Control Circuit High)
– P2419 (Evaporative Emission System Switching Valve Control Circuit Low)

-EG038-06 2GR-FE (V6) ENGINE OIL LEAK

2007 model year Toyota Camry vehicles equipped with the V6 engine.

Some 2GR–FE engines may display evidence of a small oil leak, located on the rear side of Bank 1. The source has been identified as unused side and end bolt holes in the right hand (Bank 1) cam housing. A repair procedure has been developed to correct this condition.

-EG039-06 EXCESSIVE ENGINE NOISE AFTER TRANSAXLE REMOVAL

2007 model year Toyota Camry vehicles.

Some 2007 model year Camry vehicles may exhibit engine noise after the transaxle is removed and reinstalled. This noise may be caused by a dislodged steering column hole shield at the base of the steering column.

-EG056-06 ECM CALIBRATION: ENHANCEMENT TO SHIFTING PERFORMANCE & SMOOTHNESS (REVISED)

2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with 2AZ-FE engine and 5-speed automatic transmission produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown

To enhance shifting performance and smoothness during acceleration, the Engine Control Module/ECM (SAE term: Powertrain Control Module/PCM) calibration has been revised.

NOTE:
�� Version 13.4a or later Diagnostic Tester software is required to perform this procedure.
�� Before proceeding, verify the ECM (PCM) calibration has NOT been updated by checking for the Authorized Modifications Label (shown in step 1 of the
Repair Procedure).

-PG002-05 TIRE POSITIONING BEFORE NEW VEHICLE DELIVERY (REVISED)

2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.

During the manufacturing process, tire characteristics are measured. Tires are then mounted on the vehicle as matched sets to help reduce conditions such as pulling or drifting. If the wheels are replaced or refinished before vehicle delivery, it is important that the tires remain on the vehicle in the same location and in the same direction of rotation.

Please refer to the following procedure to ensure that the original tires stay in the same location on the vehicle.

-TC008-06 3RD - 4TH GEAR SHIFT FLARE

2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the V6 engine.

Some customers may experience a sharp increase in RPM between the 3rd to 4th
gear shift point during the first ten minutes of operation after a cold start. A revised transmission valve body has been developed to address this concern.

-TC010-06 HARSH 5-4 DOWNSHIFT ON DECELERATION

2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 2AZ-FE engine and 5-Speed ATM produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown.

Some 2006 – 2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 2AZ-FE engine and U250E automatic transaxle (ATM) may exhibit a harsh 5–4 downshift under the following conditions:

�� ATM at normal operating temperature
�� After driving above 45 mph (72 km/h)
�� Decelerating through 28 mph (45 km/h)

The line pressure control solenoid assembly (SLT) has been improved to reduce this condition on customer complaint vehicles.

EddieVE06

13-11-2006, 08:48 AM

ha-ha, poor old eddie, just arrived on the planet did we.... never seen a new car release b4?

Whos give a $hit about these little recalls, they just fix em up at the next service "big deal" im sure its happend with every new car, I remember plenty of them over the years...

Dont be scared eddie, live on the edge brother, go get 1 :stick: you know you want to, your just looking for excuses :burnout:

Sly if you think a seatbelt recall is a little minor issue that can be fixed at your next service thats your call but having been in two accidents in 6 weeks which were not our fault in the missus brand new astra I'd like to think the seatbelts served their purpose given that she is still in rehab and has 6 weeks to go. So for those who think its a minor issue and can wait, maybe a trip to the dealer beforehand could make all the difference.

Sly, dont get me wrong I'm a Holden fan through and through but having seen the news on Friday night with the headline. Holden recall VE for a second time in a month and having people I was with laugh after all the stuff I've been telling them about how good it is just shows that people in general look to the news, papers etc to keep track of things. Not everyone in this country read this forum nor do they know the real reason for the recall. To the average Joe it just screams average holden production.

Sometimes its the little things that make a difference

Frenchy VX SS

13-11-2006, 09:15 AM

dont get me wrong I'm a Holden fan through and through but having seen the news on Friday night with the headline. Holden recall VE for a second time in a month and having people I was with laugh after all the stuff I've been telling them about how good it is just shows that people in general look to the news, papers etc to keep track of things. Not everyone in this country read this forum nor do they know the real reason for the recall. To the average Joe it just screams average holden production.

Sometimes its the little things that make a difference
Very true.
Have noticed this happening at work with myself and a couple of other guys who have recently bought VE's. We are the " re-call club" as its been said. :sleep:

Danv8

13-11-2006, 09:57 AM

Very true.
Have noticed this happening at work with myself and a couple of other guys who have recently bought VE's. We are the " re-call club" as its been said. :sleep:

Well just be glad that the recalls have not been swept under the carpet.
A gutless company would keep it quiet especially when its a safety concern.

monaroCountry1

13-11-2006, 10:34 AM

Well just be glad that the recalls have not been swept under the carpet.
A gutless company would keep it quiet especially when its a safety concern.

Like issuing a TSB instead of a recall

clixanup

13-11-2006, 11:49 AM

monaroCountry1, I think you have too much time on your hands.

Some of your criticisms of Toyota are justified, but things like:

-BO015-06 RH INTERIOR A-PILLAR GARNISH LOOSE
-BO017-03 TRIM GARNISH LOOSE
-BO019-06 CENTER CONSOLE DOOR INOPERATIVE
are a tad ridiculous. From reading this forum, I've seen that many people are having problems with VE dash rattles. Have Holden issued a recall?

Also, I've had many little trim issues with my VYII. Any of them recalled? Nope. They were all fixed under warranty, but some of them have recurred, which indicates poor design or poor quality of the components. Ended up fixing some of them myself with super glue.

-EG038-06 2GR-FE (V6) ENGINE OIL LEAK
And none of your Holdens have ever leaked oil? :lmao:

Power Steering fluid? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

-EG056-06 ECM CALIBRATION: ENHANCEMENT TO SHIFTING PERFORMANCE & SMOOTHNESS (REVISED)
-TC008-06 3RD - 4TH GEAR SHIFT FLARE
-TC010-06 HARSH 5-4 DOWNSHIFT ON DECELERATION
:lol: :lol: You're picking on Toyota transmission recalls? At least they recall their transmissions for problems like these. As Holden customers we get "that's normal sir," or, "they all do that!"

monaroCountry1

13-11-2006, 12:51 PM

Recalls aren't good but Holden’s response has been excellent so far.

Recalls for a series 1 car is now days a given, yes even with Toyota. The media frenzy with Holden’s recall has been appalling. It’s really biased reporting, Drive et al have left out other recalls from other manufacturers.

Some dodgy practices from Toyota and co have gone unreported in Australia. Examples below.

Failure to issue a recall for Hilux Surf SUV haunts Toyota

NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE, TOKYO
Friday, Jul 14, 2006, Page 10

An investigation by the Japanese police into an accident involving a Toyota sport utility vehicle (SUV) threatens to turn into an embarrassing scandal for the carmaker, which has built its success on a reputation for reliability.
On Tuesday, the police in Kumamoto, a small city in southern Japan, accused Toyota of failing to recall the type of SUV involved in an accident in 2004 that injured a family of five, despite having known for years of a fault in the steering assembly. Toyota started issuing recalls for the vehicle, called a Hilux Surf in Japan and a 4Runner in the US, two months after the accident.

Executives probed
The police asked local prosecutors to investigate three current and former executives in Toyota's head office for possible negligence in their decision not to issue the recall earlier, or to take other safety measures, said Akitoshi Takahashi, an officer in the city police traffic division.
He refused to identify the three, but said prosecutors were reviewing the request before deciding whether to file charges. The Kumamoto district prosecutor's office declined to comment.
Toyota discovered the design flaw in 1996, after customer complaints prompted an internal inquiry, but decided that the problem was not big enough to merit a recall, a spokesman, Paul Nolasco, said. It issued a statement on Tuesday saying it believed that the "three individuals concerned addressed the matter appropriately," but also promised to cooperate with the investigation and to strengthen its quality control.
Still, "Toyota views this as a serious case and a serious accusation," Nolasco added.

Toyota Tundra – Brakes

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra_brakes.html
There doesn't seem to be much question that a design flaw in the Tundra causes the front rotors to warp and wear our quickly. Toyota has issued a technical service bulletin but dealers aren't exactly eager to alert customers to the problem. More often, they string them along until the warranty has expired.

Toyota Tundra Recalled to Disable Front Passenger Airbag Switch
By Joe Benton
ConsumerAffairs.Com
July 13, 2006
In an odd twist of automotive safety, the Toyota Motor Corp. will recall nearly 160,000 Tundra pickups to disable the front-seat passenger airbag cut-off switch because the trucks do not have the required lower anchorage and tethers for children known as the LATCH system.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) rejected the Toyota petition to waive a federal safety regulation that requires most vehicles built after September 2002 and equipped with the front passenger side airbag cut-off switch to also carry the anchorages and tethers.
Disabling the switch will comply with the NHTSA order but auto safety experts question the decision and warn the move will not make the Tundra a safer vehicle, at least for children.
Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety characterized the Toyota decision as a "a clear and present danger to the children who ride in child restraints in the front passenger seats of those vehicles."
Installing in the LATCH system would cost Toyota more than deactivating the airbag cut-off switch but deactivating the switch means the airbag will always deploy and the right front passenger seat will always be unsafe for a child.
Children are at high risk of death or injury from airbags that deploy and child seats are not allowed in front seats that don't have an airbag cut-off switch.
Toyota does not know the cost of the recall but estimates that the repair will require approximately two hours of labor suggesting that disabling the switch will cost the automaker more than $16 million in labor alone if all the pickup owners respond to the recall.
In June 2005, Toyota acknowledged that 156,555 Toyota Tundra pickups from the 2003-05 model years did not comply with the child seat anchor safety regulation.
The automaker asked NHTSA to waive the regulation and spent more than a year trying to convince safety regulators the company was not required to install child-seat anchoring systems.
In the ruling, NHTSA took no position on whether Toyota could comply with safety regulations by simply deactivating the switches. Toyota has already disabled the cut-off switch in the 2006 Tundra in an effort to comply with the regulation.

are a tad ridiculous. From reading this forum, I've seen that many people are having problems with VE dash rattles. Have Holden issued a recall?

Those were lifted directly from a Toyota based forum…………..those are the TSB advice. I sure as hell didn’t write them.

And none of your Holdens have ever leaked oil?

Power Steering fluid? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

How about the Holden VE fuel smell recall? The VE recall wasn’t a danger to anyone. All it was (according to news sources) was that it gives out a faint fuel smell.

Good on Holden for issuing a recall.

You're picking on Toyota transmission recalls? At least they recall their transmissions for problems like these. As Holden customers we get "that's normal sir," or, "they all do that!"

Look at my post above……………

I would rather a company issue 100 recalls in a year than a company that either issues a TSB or a company that hides its defects (by not recalling faulty vehicles).

Take your pick, would you rather waste your time getting your car fixed and knowing that it’s a safe vehicle or be unaware of potentially deadly faults?

clixanup

13-11-2006, 03:21 PM

Some dodgy practices from Toyota and co have gone unreported in Australia.
Why should there be reports about a vehicle which isn't sold here?

I would rather a company issue 100 recalls in a year than a company that either issues a TSB or a company that hides its defects (by not recalling faulty vehicles).
That's exactly my point. As per your previous post, Toyota seem to be issuing recalls for even minor things like trim issues - which Holden simply doesn't do. They're also recalling transmissions for faults which Holden tell us are "normal."

You really need to stop the Toyota bashing and get on with your own life. Do something. Anything. Go for a drive. People will continue to buy Toyotas whether you spout sh1t on here or not. Accept that as a fact and get over it.

clubbie

13-11-2006, 04:27 PM

Clixanup...

FOS...take some of your own advice.

:woot:

clixanup

13-11-2006, 04:35 PM

Clixanup...

FOS...take some of your own advice.
I'm not bashing Toyota. :confused:

And how is:

-BO019-06 CENTER CONSOLE DOOR INOPERATIVE
classified as a:

potentially deadly fault
:lmao:

This monaroCountry1 guy is Ted Bullpitt.

monaroCountry1

13-11-2006, 06:55 PM

Why should there be reports about a vehicle which isn't sold here?

Holden is getting bashed for Commodore faults.

Getting a series one car to be perfect is near to impossible.

My post simply shows that the mythically reliable Toyota, the god of supposed quality cant even get its "world developed" car in order. Lucky for Australia most of the faults are rectified and tested on overseas markets.

With two faults Holden has a great product. Toyota had many faults, some of which should have been a RECALL and not hidden as a TSB (very different).

BTW some international recalls also affects Australian sold vehicles. The problem is that the media in most cases wont be bothered reporting them.........a case of double standards in my view.

I'm not bashing Toyota.

And how is:

Those were taken from a Toyota website. Obviously that wasn't one of the potentially deadly flaws. But I guess some people need things explained slowly...............................

I think Clixanup has gotten himself lost..................

I take it that hes not happy being reminded of Toyota's deceitful ways :)

clixanup

13-11-2006, 10:13 PM

Lucky for Australia most of the faults are rectified and tested on overseas markets.
Exactly. I have owned 5 Holdens, 2 Fords and 1 Toyota in my driving career. In terms of quality, fit and finish, there is one car which stands head and shoulders above the rest. I'm not telling you which. :p

With two faults Holden has a great product. Toyota had many faults, some of which should have been a RECALL and not hidden as a TSB (very different).
You're a funny bloke, Ted.

Holden aren't exactly angels either. Did you hear about the problem they had with the balancer bolts on the first few batches of Alloytecs? It was discovered a few weeks after they went on sale. There was no recall. They chose to quietly fix it at the 3,000km inspection on most of the affected vehicles. In no cases were any owners informed at all.

It's a harsh reality, but if you think Holden haven't kept certain things hidden over the past ~60 years in order to save a buck, you really have your head in the sand.

Get this thread back on topic. It was originally about a recall on the VE, wasn't it?

EfiJy

13-11-2006, 10:33 PM

sum of yu guys are forgetting just because toyota have realeased a new camry doesnt mean its a virgin. :thumbsup: the camry has been made for a while debuing in the us and japan. all toyota needed to do is tool up another camry plant here.

holden is a different case. they actually develope the ve for the rest of the world but decided to use australia and middle east markets ot first iron out all the bugs. i'm sure if holden were to sell ve to japan, they would try to sell the series 2 to compete.

dont think that bugs are exclusive to holden and ford. faults occur with jap /korean vehicles too (remember when the faulty weld on the huyundai excel forced a model change to getz?). because we are so passionate some of us peeps r quick to sink the boot in.

the best sites are the ones with consumer right ups. they give a good honest review of owneship experiences not some 16 yo num nuts giveing there 2c.:hmmm:

AussieTone

14-11-2006, 01:05 AM

I must admit I am very surprised at some of the replies to this thread. In today’s climate of litigation everyone does everything they can to limit their exposure (i.e. covers their ass). This non Aussie culture can be attributed to our US buddies who sue at the drop of a hat and in many cases not based upon moral grounds but sheer greed.

I own a VE and given my car is a Sep 06 build date there is a good chance it will fall within the vehicles manufactured prior to 11 Sep 06.

I may experience some slight inconvenience if mine is recalled to have this fault rectified but I for one would rather have my manufacturer fix problems that are identified post build date rather than dig in, bunker down and hope nothing goes wrong and is in coming.

I have said it before and I’ll say it again, anything mechanical and man made has the possibility of having a flaw in it somewhere. The way some people are commenting on here re the billion dollar baby is that it’s the end of the world.

I am not a gambling man but I think even with a recall on my new VE that the sun will still rise tomorrow.

Bazza76d

22-11-2006, 02:24 PM

I have not posted on this thread for a while and have just read some of the posts. I can honestly say as a proud Aussie and Holden man I am getting sick and tired of so called 'Holden' fans doing nothing but put the VE down. If you don't want one cause it has been recalled then don't but it, stop your whinging about the car and let us VE owners who have purchased one of the top 28 cars in the world enjoy ourselves. I can assure you all that the people whinging are one ones staring and drooling as we cruise on by:):)

Also we should all be aware the aussie media suffer majorly from the tall poppy syndrome. I mean look at sporting teams for example, the aussie cricket team, there the best team for ever, we lost one series (the ashes) my goodness where labelled as hopeless. The Australian media will always over exagerate and cut down high achievers just to make a headline and sell papers. Who gives two shits if the motor journalist in one of our major papers criticised the VE.

Woohoo VE in finals for car of the year, not a bad effort for a heap of crap car continuosly recalled!!!! Go Holden. Thanks for reading:flame:

jaykay

22-11-2006, 03:40 PM

I haven't had a recall letter for the seatbelts. Does this mean I won't ? Have you all had yours yet ? :stick:

Maybe the post from Holden takes longer to double-ewe-way... :rolleyes:

SICK SS

22-11-2006, 04:22 PM

no seat belt recall here yet

Bazza76d

22-11-2006, 07:29 PM

I haven't had a recall letter for the seatbelts. Does this mean I won't ? Have you all had yours yet ? :stick:

Maybe the post from Holden takes longer to double-ewe-way... :rolleyes:

Hi All,

A different beat this time:) (Had a few beers so as calmer).... I had the 3K service done today. Apparently there is a third recall in the pipeline, is relates to something to do with the aircon. I have no idea if it relates to aircon in general or to the climate control. Anyways I have not had a letter re the seatbelt but they have fixed mine, maybe there a little slow getting them out! I also had the front middle speaker replaced. I have had a couple of issues with the CR player saying 'mechanism error' when this happens it completely stops and wont do bugger all. They said they tested it but could not fault it, they recommended I don't use burnt CD's in the player! Anyways still loving the car, taking a trip to Fyschwick on Saturday!!! Giddey up.

EddieVE06

18-01-2007, 01:35 PM

Well, Honda have recalled 81,000 2004 and 2005 Accord Sedans because of issues that could cause an air bag-related sensor to fail.

Would like to see drive drivel post a blog now on this recall seeing the ve had a few which affected around 1300 cars.