Expose a shonky thread, look right here

[VT GEN3]

Hi

Lets start an expose a shonk thread so that none of us get bitten by the same shark. Ill kick off.

Last Saturday, I purchased a set of Genuine CV8-R wheels from Payless tyres in Chullora. I paid $1590 for the set of wheels with new tyres and had a wheel alignment done. When doing the wheel alignment they said, it may pull a little to the left, it will take me hours to fix it but it’s due to you needing a camber kit??? It didn’t seem to pull anywhere with the standard wheels?

When I got home, I noticed the wheels looked a little funny. As you may all know, the CV8-R wheels have a polished machined face. But the centre cap was silver. It looked very odd. (I have photos) I logged onto the net later in the evening and noticed that the original wheels centre caps were in fact chrome. I confirmed it on many different Monaro CV8-R’s and even on the Payless wheels website.

I contacted Payless wheels and tyres on the Sunday morning, they ummed and ahhhed a while and then said, maybe we made a mistake, bring the car in and we will look at it. Mistake my arse, how can they honestly say they didn’t notice. The silver centre caps must be a cheaper alternative so they tried to put one over me. They advertised the wheels as genuine items from Holden.

I live about 20km away, I said who is gonna fix me up for my time and petrol, they just said, they can’t help me. I then suggested they deliver the proper caps to me or post them to me and I will return the standard caps. They turned around and said, no post me yours and upon receipt they will post out the chrome versions. I responded, so in the interim I drive around on new wheels with no caps? It’s your mistake guys, you can wear the additional cost faced. They refused to post me the caps and said it would only be resolved if I returned to their shop.

So I drove back there on my expense later in the day, when I got there they didn’t want to talk to me, no apologies, no nothing. One of the young guys came over and he said he would swap them, but he tried to say most people prefer the silver caps. What a load of crap. Then he grabbed a knife and attempted to remove my centre caps. I tapped him on the shoulder and said you scratch the wheels you can put a new set on, take the wheels off properly and fit them with the new caps.

Then when he finished the owner was nowhere to be seen to discuss the problem, I just left but should have thumped the lot of them. Shonky people, never ever buy from them.

[seedyrom]

Hi

Lets start an expose a shonk thread so that none of us get bitten by the same shark. Ill kick off.


Slander, libel, defamation .... tread carefully :)


Bugger of a story. Then again, hate to say it, but often in life you get what you pay for .... or pay less ;)

Unfortunately that story sounds all too familiar with many instances in life

[Ghosn]

I think their name says it all ;)

[VT GEN3]

there is no slander here, its a true story. I have receipts of purchase and photos of before and after to show the different caps.

I went there because I wanted genuine wheels, I got a genuine shonk. Dont buy from them..

[VT LS1]

When I had a VL some time ago, I bought a new set of wheels. The conditions that I put on the sale were 1. Must have holden lion centre caps 2. Must not scrub

Well on the day that I went in to get my new wheels they had centre caps that read 'Enzo' no holden lion in sight, but they promised to get me the holden ones, and they scrubed fairly badly (I found out on the way home), and having waited 2 weeks for my new wheels and tyres, they didn't even have the correct tyres on them. As I had taken the day off work to go get them, and they didn't have the tyres that I had ordered in stock, I begrudgingly took my car with the new wheels, on the promise that I would have the holden lions posted to me within a couple of days.....
End result was, despite many calls, and a few stop ins, the car was sold a few years later with the 'enzo' caps on. They didn't want to know about the scrubbing, after all I had selected the wheels......
I know that this is fairly petty, but to a young bloke, who had scrimped and saved for a several months to get the wheels that he wanted, it sucked big time.

I Won't name the place, because it sold years ago, but this is the type of crap that shonks continue to do.

[mechatron]

I had a dealing with a company starting with J and ending in AX - I bought brand new wheels and they put second hand ones on...Boy, did that piss me off. I was ready to go ape shit :machinegun:

[vh-holden]

I drive a holden.

end of story

:p

[EpOcH]

This reminds me of my ducted aircon .. the outside box looks like it was loose in delivery and such they install the unit even thought it was dented.

Having paid and been told it would be fixed and on numerous phone calls i'm still being told theyre still wating on parts , some 2 years later, i still have a dented ouside aircon box, while it doesnt seem to affect its performance its :flipoff:

A weekend soon , im going to stand outside their main sales room and inform people that are browsing their goods that im still waiting for their "Total Satisfaction Guarentee" to work some 2 years later.

Should be a fun day.

[VT LS1]

This reminds me of my ducted aircon .. the outside box looks like it was loose in delivery and such they install the unit even thought it was dented.

Having paid and been told it would be fixed and on numerous phone calls i'm still being told theyre still wating on parts , some 2 years later, i still have a dented ouside aircon box, while it doesnt seem to affect its performance its :flipoff:

A weekend soon , im going to stand outside their main sales room and inform people that are browsing their goods that im still waiting for their "Total Satisfaction Guarentee" to work some 2 years later.

Should be a fun day.


In non automotive related products, I waited 2 years to a have a dented garage door fixed (it still NEVER was fixed properly). It is one of the timber look-a-like one's, and the visual appeal is a very big part of it. They tried to tell me that I had dented it myself (on the day that it was installed) even though every panel on the door was dented in the same spot, then they took away 3 of the 4 panels, leaving the 4th accross my garage opening but still attached for 6 weeks.....
Then they fitted it out of level.....

Then.....
Anyway, it was from a garage door mob on the Gold Coast, PM me if you want to know who.

[RedVYIISS]

As you may all know, the CV8-R wheels have a polished machined face. But the centre cap was silver. It looked very odd.

Nope, I didn't know that, and I'll bet the guy that fitted them didn't know it either. And I'll bet you stood there and watched them be fitted.

They got it wrong and agreed to fix it. Count yourself lucky, and I don't believe the Co in question have done anything to deserve your comments.

PS I don't know the Co in question and have never dealt with them, though I do know some people that regard them highly.

[Snapper]

I think this is a little harsh. For the price you paid there is probably less margin. Yes a mistake was made and the offered to rectify it.

A good mentor of mine once stated, Great product, Great price, Great service. Pick any two. It's amazing how true those words have turned out over the years.

I think in this world today we are all too quick to jump all over people.

Whats worse. Them making the error or a person booking a professional workshops time and just not turning up. Without even the courtesy of a phone call? :hmmm:

[EL SLAMO]

Hi

Lets start an expose a shonk thread so that none of us get bitten by the same shark. Ill kick off.

Last Saturday, I purchased a set of Genuine CV8-R wheels from Payless tyres in Chullora. I paid $1590 for the set of wheels with new tyres and had a wheel alignment done. When doing the wheel alignment they said, it may pull a little to the left, it will take me hours to fix it but it’s due to you needing a camber kit??? It didn’t seem to pull anywhere with the standard wheels?

When I got home, I noticed the wheels looked a little funny. As you may all know, the CV8-R wheels have a polished machined face. But the centre cap was silver. It looked very odd. (I have photos) I logged onto the net later in the evening and noticed that the original wheels centre caps were in fact chrome. I confirmed it on many different Monaro CV8-R’s and even on the Payless wheels website.

I contacted Payless wheels and tyres on the Sunday morning, they ummed and ahhhed a while and then said, maybe we made a mistake, bring the car in and we will look at it. Mistake my arse, how can they honestly say they didn’t notice. The silver centre caps must be a cheaper alternative so they tried to put one over me. They advertised the wheels as genuine items from Holden.

I live about 20km away, I said who is gonna fix me up for my time and petrol, they just said, they can’t help me. I then suggested they deliver the proper caps to me or post them to me and I will return the standard caps. They turned around and said, no post me yours and upon receipt they will post out the chrome versions. I responded, so in the interim I drive around on new wheels with no caps? It’s your mistake guys, you can wear the additional cost faced. They refused to post me the caps and said it would only be resolved if I returned to their shop.

So I drove back there on my expense later in the day, when I got there they didn’t want to talk to me, no apologies, no nothing. One of the young guys came over and he said he would swap them, but he tried to say most people prefer the silver caps. What a load of crap. Then he grabbed a knife and attempted to remove my centre caps. I tapped him on the shoulder and said you scratch the wheels you can put a new set on, take the wheels off properly and fit them with the new caps.

Then when he finished the owner was nowhere to be seen to discuss the problem, I just left but should have thumped the lot of them. Shonky people, never ever buy from them.

Good customer service is certainly hard to come by these days...

If they are genuine wheels for $1500 you have done well. I would suggest that those wheels are almost certainly not genuine for that price with tyres.

[XLR8 V8]

I'll offer the same warning as last time a thread was started similar to this.
If you post up the name of a business in a negative light, make sure what you say is completely factual to the point you would be willing to swear on it in court .... as that's where you may end up.

[VT GEN3]

Hi,

Mine is completely factual, I have photos and receipts to prove my claims. Those guys need a good lesson, I dont want anyone here being stung by the same bee.

Id rather pay more but get what Im expecting.

[XLR8 V8]

Hi,

Mine is completely factual, I have photos and receipts to prove my claims. Those guys need a good lesson, I dont want anyone here being stung by the same bee.

Id rather pay more but get what Im expecting.

Maybe so, but you've asked others to post their experiences too .... the warning is for all

[Middlez]

Forums are really hard like that... where its hard to say something good about a place, because that can get you into a tuner war, and if you say something bad you can end up in court!

Well all i have to say is, if you are getting an exhaust installed, in the croydon area of melbourne, PM me first and i'll tell you where not to go...

I had some pacies fitted to my car and i had to take it back to the place seven times, and twice to a holden dealer to diagnose the problem... The problem was the workshop breaking the coolant temp sensor when they were doing the install and fixing it themselves with glue... the same glue the used on the headers... (idiots) Anyway after taking it back a couple of times and still having the problems i was having, which was the car shutting down completely while driving.... i took it to holden who quickly found the problem. Called the shop and told them the issue, and they denied that they would ever do something so dodgy... Took it back and the owner of the business was all of a sudden very apologetic when he saw the sensor, and the photos i took of it. They then replaced it, and screwed something up in the process then, so i called them to get them to fix it again, took it in.. they said nothing was wrong, again. This continued on for some time. Eventually got it fixed at holden.

My advice is if you want something done take it to a sponsor. i took it there because it was about $200 cheaper than most places, and close to where i worked... but i ended up spending a lot more than $200 extra and it was a massive hassle.

The End.

[seedyrom]

Id rather pay more but get what Im expecting.

Yet you shopped at PayLESS ? :hmmm:
:sux:

[Dane VN V8]

Yet you shopped at PayLESS ? :hmmm:
:sux:

:lmao: GOLD!!!!


Anyway people never go to Sinclair Automatic Mechanical Services in Padstow, they are shonky. Went and got my automatic transmission serviced 2 weeks later its slipping second gear and I am at Craig's Automatics paying $800 to get it fixed. NEVER GO TO SINCLAIR. I should take them to court as it is there fault and I have proof of it but just can't be bothered :werd:

Dane.

[vh-holden]

I should take them to court as it is there fault and I have proof of it but just can't be bothered :werd:

Dane.

indeed you should. and posting on here won't help your cause if you do.

[VT GEN3]

Yet you shopped at PayLESS ? :hmmm:
:sux:

Yeah, I was looking for Genuine holden items, disregard the name, I wanted the quality of a holden wheel. I go tthe quality but they tried every which way to compromise the set of wheels. I didnt buy them because of the price, not many other places seem to sell genuine Holden items.

So if this thread sucks why did you post? your not one of those payless dodgy brothers are you?

[paul05]

the point has been made ,sorry to hear of your drama's but a moderater should stop this before it gets out of hand.

[BennyMac]

PRE LS1.com.au:confused: When i just got my last car, VS SS, i took it to an exhaust shop in the Dandy area to get the exhaust done. When i picked it up in the arvo the guy who owns the shop started it up, gave her a few revs and i must admit she sounded ok. Looked under and noticed there was no rear muffler. Asked if this was legal, the reply "yep should even give you another 1-2kw". It was all painted black with a Redback front muffler and the big oval crome tip at the back. Payed about $250 fitted. About 3yrs later decided to get some Pacemaker headers fitted from a place in Carrum Downs. Found that the guy who done the exhaust had just cut out the front muffler and put the Redback one straight in, and same with the straight through pipe!:toetap: Ended up getting a full Redback "off the shelf" system. Then sold the car 4 months later........

POST LS1.com.au:bravo: :burnout:

[UTE FORCE]

:lmao: GOLD!!!!


I am at Craig's Automatics

Dane.

Now you are on the right track:driving:

[seedyrom]

oh no ... you should have just let me be

Yeah, I do work there. Here's how we saw it.
Some random buys a cheap set of rims off us from our ebay arm.
(Buyer beware dude ... you left the premises)

The ad you agreed to states "CHROME NUTS AND LOCKNUTS PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE." nothing mentioned about centre caps.
The fact you received them is a bonus at all, and we can always argue that you should return them.


One of the young guy puts on the rims, then grabs a 4 pack of centre covers, and gets the VY SS ones (Part Number 92085477), rather than Part Number 92121783 (The cost of the CV8 ones is a bank breaking $ 13.10 btw)

He was easily mistaken, as the "machined face" you're carrying on about, isn't really "chrome" now is it?

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/CV8r.jpg

I mean come on, the CV8-z rims have more of a gleam to them. The CV8-r ones to me look more silver than anything.

So you pay up and leave ... then start picking fault.

You then give an abusive phonecall, demand money for petrol (!) and carry on like a whinning bitch.
You then strut around telling staff how to do their job. Then come online to have a cry ... telling everyone on the net how you should have "thumped" everyone

You're cool!


You seem upset that the owner wasn't there to discuss the problem ... maybe he doesn't have time for idiots


Thanks for the free advertising!

Seedy
Owner of Payless tyres









oh alright ... I kid :D ... i'm not really the owner

But there's always a different side to a story


disregard the name
Forget the name eh? Well it's kinda hard to do that ... also hard to stomache their quality website

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/payless.jpg

Too many choices .... "Some Wheels" "Other Wheels" and "More Wheels" ... I'm spoilt for choice.

That wasn't a giveaway for you ? :D

[pltrs]

thanks to the person that made me aware of this thread.

first of all,
those wheels are 100% genuine and i will challenge anyone to prove otherwise and before you jump on the net and bad mouth me and my business get your facts right.

those centrecaps were those ones supplied to us by holden for those wheels.
wrong caps ill agree, but i wasnt here to notice it and the boys that fitted them assumed they were supplied by holden so they must be the correct ones,
our mistake, my apologies.


our policy is any customer complaints must be rectified in store,
and you were advised on the phone that bring the car back and we will be more than happy to swap the caps over for the caps of your choice.
we carry chrome, black, gunmetal and silver commodore centre caps.

we are one of the leading holden genuine wheel resellers in the country.
ask any of the 1000's of people from australia, new zealand, USA, and even the UK that have purchased genuine holden wheels from us if they ever had a problem.

you paid $1590 for a product that noone else will sell for less that $1900

I read your thread carefully and 90% of it were just over exagerated lies!
if your going to bad mouth us atleast be honest about it.


your a trouble maker that wanted something for nothing because of a mix up with a centrecap.

next time please take your business somewhere else,
we dont want it.

[seedyrom]

Good onya Payless for jumping on and defending yourself :thumbsup:

[UTE FORCE]

Upon reviewing this thread i have decided that VT GEN3 was perhaps a little hasty and that PAYLESSTYRES are a good bunch of blokes.....now back to my Bourbon:yahoo:

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

Upon reviewing this thread i have decided that VT GEN3 was perhaps a little hasty and that PAYLESSTYRES are a good bunch of blokes.....now back to my Bourbon:yahoo:

To rite!

Maybe he should have checked his wheels & caps b4 he drove away? always a good idea to inspect the product and sort any issues b4 leaving the premisses....

This is the stuff forums are for, should be more of it... nice one Jofa :lmao:

[OLS108]

well i will add my own Wheel problem story
Brought a Set of Wheels and tyres from Precession tyres in Clontarf last year in august when i was Quoted i said do you have interest free to which he nodded as i pulled my GE buyers edge card out.
so Saturday morning in i went with card in hand, car was too be lowered with Springs on all 4's after around 2 hours of waiting i asked if i could get a lift home, he lent me his Ute and loaded my old wheels and tyres in.
got home dropped them off and then headed back to the shop ( nearing on 4PM) car was ready and looked shit hot:woot:
when i handed over my Card he said " oh no we don't use Buyers Edge GE we only use Creditline GE.. i was like WTF i said well this is the only card i have ??
so i filled out the application for Creditline knowing i would be accepted But being 4Pm he said it wouldn't clear that day, so i agreed to pay on my Credit card and he would Cancel the credit payment later after my application was accepted.. so i went home happy..
after a 3 days i of ringing to find out if i he had canceled it.. i couldn't get hold of him.. Every time i rang he wasn't there, went in and same story...
i ended up just paying it on the Credit card and getting over it...

about 2 months ago i was buying a few things from Super A mart and after applying for my Creditline interest free, i was informed that i had an application pending and i had to do the Run around ring the tyre mob and get it canceld... Point is... Never trust anyone

[ShanghaiVZ]

It's a shame that payless tyres only joined up to reply to this thread, only when someone bitches about someone else they all of a sudden jumped on register and after their rant they gone ppffttt..

[VooDoo]

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album19/I_Like.jpg

Moral of the story is, If your not happy, see the company FIRST. Phoning isnt always the best option, go in there and discuss it face to face. Companies arent in the business to piss you off, most rely on word of mouth and posting on the internet shows only 1 side of the story.

Good to see Payless Tyres here to clear the air, if they didnt care about the customer they wouldnt have bothered.

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

It's a shame that payless tyres only joined up to reply to this thread, only when someone bitches about someone else they all of a sudden jumped on register and after their rant they gone ppffttt..

Well what did you expect them to do, sit back and not defend themselfs ? :fewl:

[Carrots]

:lmao: GOLD!!!!


Anyway people never go to Sinclair Automatic Mechanical Services in Padstow, they are shonky. Went and got my automatic transmission serviced 2 weeks later its slipping second gear and I am at Craig's Automatics paying $800 to get it fixed. NEVER GO TO SINCLAIR. I should take them to court as it is there fault and I have proof of it but just can't be bothered :werd:

Dane.

Can relate to something similar, just somewhat pricier! Gearbox in a truck was serviced. One trip later down to Adelaide and it was in at Mack Trucks having a new gearbox fitted....there was only around a litre of oil in the lines and gearbox. Was drained and serviced and not refilled. Round the $30 k mark for a new box for a Titan....OOOPS.

[heavychevy]

I contacted Payless wheels and tyres on the Sunday morning, they ummed and ahhhed a while and then said, maybe we made a mistake, bring the car in and we will look at it. Mistake my arse, how can they honestly say they didn’t notice.The silver centre caps must be a cheaper alternative so they tried to put one over me. They advertised the wheels as genuine items from Holden.

I live about 20km away, I said who is gonna fix me up for my time and petrol, they just said, they can’t help me.

They refused to post me the caps and said it would only be resolved if I returned to their shop.



Why slag a business as shonky when they admitted fault and were prepared to rectify the problem in the first instance?

[ShanghaiVZ]

Well what did you expect them to do, sit back and not defend themselfs ? :fewl:

Before this thread gets shut down. A tyre company could do wonders on a forum like this, become a sponsor like wheel king a lot of Sydney/central coast/Newcastle members could benefit from it, payless have responded. If they stick around than great, if not it proves my point.

P.S. Not being a smart arse here but it's spelt themselves, this forum is not SC :lol:

[Bravotwozero]

I bet this guy over at the Ford forums would like to add to this thread!!! :lmao:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=1090029&posted=1#post1090029

[v-comp]

:lmao: GOLD!!!!


Anyway people never go to Sinclair Automatic Mechanical Services in Padstow, they are shonky. Went and got my automatic transmission serviced 2 weeks later its slipping second gear and I am at Craig's Automatics paying $800 to get it fixed. NEVER GO TO SINCLAIR. I should take them to court as it is there fault and I have proof of it but just can't be bothered :werd:

Dane.


Hi Dane, what did these guys do to make your auto slip?
I thought this only happened due to K's/wear and tear??:eek:

[myles]

Moral of the story is, If your not happy, see the company FIRST. Phoning isnt always the best option, go in there and discuss it face to face. Companies arent in the business to piss you off, most rely on word of mouth and posting on the internet shows only 1 side of the story.

Good to see Payless Tyres here to clear the air, if they didnt care about the customer they wouldnt have bothered.

Agree with VooDoo on this one. Post if they didn't agree to fix it, but Payless Tyres agreed to fix the problem right away. Mistakes happen, no matter what you buy.

[jona]

mistakes happen bro
get over it

[pltrs]

btw guys,


MOD EDIT: Business web link removed. Please read the Advertising Rules .... your username will need to be changed if you do not wish to sponsor. Non-sponsors are not allowed to use business names.



thanks to the people that have been supportive of us on here(specially the guy that called me earlier today, email me your addy ill send you out a case of beer)

as someone said earlier, were not in business to upset or do wrong by anyone,however mistakes do happen and in this case it was rectified on the spot.

we didnt post the caps out as it was a problem that could be resolved quicker in person. by the time we posted the caps and you recieved them it woulda been tuesday/wednesday.

with the amount of time you would of spent jacking the car up, unbolting the wheels and replacing the centrecaps you could have driven to our store and back 2 or 3 times.

we have done nothing wrong to warrant the kind of trash thats been posted about us.

how do i become a sponsor on here?

[VooDoo]

email sidey on sponsorship@ls1.com.au and he will send you the details on how to become a sponsor.

[STATIE]

our mistake, my apologies.


your a trouble maker that wanted something for nothing because of a mix up with a centrecap.

next time please take your business somewhere else,
we dont want it.


Strangely enough I find that I like the bloke's attitude.:lmao:

[NRD80Y]

I bought a set of genuine SSZ/Monaro wheels and tyres from these guys and had no issues at all, everone I delt with was nice and professional. While putting on the nuts, there was an issue with the bolts threading, so what do they do, call and order new bolts and get them delivered and installed right there and then, no extra charge to me. Can't be more professional than that.

Payless Chullora gets two thumbs up from me :thumbsup:

[nirvana]

would be nice to have a sponsor on here that owns a tyre shop. :D

[Ghosn]

All we need now is a nice juicy apology from VT GEN3 to PAYLESS tyres and we can all move on and find someone else to upset.

[mustanger]

Just goes to show that there are always two sides to a story.:box:

[seedyrom]

I've got some tyres i need put onto rims, and need valves and then balanced - but they are directional tyres and I dont want any stuffups :D

What time do you open during the week?

Are you the wheel place on Liverpool Road, head towards Bankstown, just after the centenary drive flyover, and before the old pizza shop that was used for the tv show pizza ?

[Sonny@Autowerks]

I have been dealing with payless tyres for years now as they are up the road from me,i have bought tyres for my own vehicles and for customers vehicles,all wheels have been genuine and customer service was great,though my own wheels i bought werent genuine but they made me aware of that clearly before the sale,they have been great,actually not so long ago i had wheels fitted up for forum members car and he wanted specific wheels for his car which again were genuine wheels,wen i went there i forgot which wheels he wanted and asked them to fit the wrong wheels,after thinking bout it as i was waiting for them,i realised i chose the wrong wheels and they had already fitted the tyres and balanced them,being embarrased and feeling real bad as they had already fitted the wheels,wen i told the gal behind the counter i made a mistake,she went out in the workshop and had a word to the boys and came bak saying no worries we will get the correct rims its no hassle,now thats customer service !!! they didnt even get angry :D payless gets the thumbs up fro me :woot:


regards sonny

[Animal]

great to see the truth come out here

[Dane VN V8]

Hi Dane, what did these guys do to make your auto slip?
I thought this only happened due to K's/wear and tear??:eek:

Didn't put enough transmission fluid in.

Dane.

[pltrs]

seedy,
thats us the green building on the corner there,

we usually open at 8.30am

what wheels are they??

call to make sure im there before you come in,
if there expensive wheels id rather fit them myself


jeff

[XLR8 V8]

Too many posts in this thread are now bordering on advertising .....

[seedyrom]

yeah, sorry about that.

Mine were a bit leading, although I knew as a new user he couldnt respond to my PMs (though he's probably already past the 10 post limit by now :D )

[Merlin]

Good to see the truth revealed too - I don't see what they did wrong - they made a small mistake and offered to rectify it but you wanted money for petrol and your time? Sorry this is the real world...

[team illucid]

I live about 20km away, I said who is gonna fix me up for my time and petrol,

If you are worried about a splash of fuel, maybe u shouldn't have got a set of wheels in the first place?

sounds like a mistake that they offered to help fix but u didnt want to play ball?

[C4B]

They say that criticism often tells you more about the person giving it than the person it is directed at...... (I think this is a perfect example of it).

F%$k that was deep!!!!! (I think I might have to go and lay down after something that truly meaningful...)

[BarneyG]

They say that criticism often tells you more about the person giving it than the person it is directed at...... (I think this is a perfect example of it).

F%$k that was deep!!!!! (I think I might have to go and lay down after something that truly meaningful...)

ha ha ha, classic:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[cashie]

This thread has given Payless a tick in the box from me, a customer had a problem and they promptly addressed and corrected it. What more can a customer ask?
Well done Payless I think I can see a set of VZ CV-8 wheels may be required soon and I hope you become a sponser of this site.

[`redoctober]

thanks to the person that made me aware of this thread.

first of all,
those wheels are 100% genuine and i will challenge anyone to prove otherwise and before you jump on the net and bad mouth me and my business get your facts right.

those centrecaps were those ones supplied to us by holden for those wheels.
wrong caps ill agree, but i wasnt here to notice it and the boys that fitted them assumed they were supplied by holden so they must be the correct ones,
our mistake, my apologies.


our policy is any customer complaints must be rectified in store,
and you were advised on the phone that bring the car back and we will be more than happy to swap the caps over for the caps of your choice.
we carry chrome, black, gunmetal and silver commodore centre caps.

we are one of the leading holden genuine wheel resellers in the country.
ask any of the 1000's of people from australia, new zealand, USA, and even the UK that have purchased genuine holden wheels from us if they ever had a problem.

you paid $1590 for a product that noone else will sell for less that $1900

I read your thread carefully and 90% of it were just over exagerated lies!
if your going to bad mouth us atleast be honest about it.


your a trouble maker that wanted something for nothing because of a mix up with a centrecap.

next time please take your business somewhere else,
we dont want it.
Good on ya Payless, you have the right to defend your business.

I've read of hundreds of people all satisfied with your service, so I don't see how this thread will sway anyone else away from dealing with you. I'll be coming to you blokes a year from now for some 20's :yup:

[Speedy Gonzales]

Just goes to show that there are always two sides to a story.:box:

Too true, at least both camps can agree to disagree.

Genuine GM wheels always have a part number on the inside for those of you who are unsure. If they dont, its a copy.

If you are buying wheels, ask if there are matching nuts, nut caps and centre caps.

[SS Enforcer]

I have bought wheels and tyres from the guys at Chullora as well no complaints from me at all, priced competively and service was prompt and no stuff ups.

cheers


PS: I know their responding borders on advertising but surely they have the right of reply when they are being called out on a public forum. If they can't be given reasonable right to defend themselves then don't allow the criticism.

[XLR8 V8]

PS: I know their responding borders on advertising but surely they have the right of reply when they are being called out on a public forum. If they can't be given reasonable right to defend themselves then don't allow the criticism.


Noone has said that them responding to criticism borders on advertising? ... it's posting website addresses, phone numbers, street addresses, username as the name of the business against forum rules, and discussing potential deals that hit the advertising redflags.

If they wish to sponsor they need to act quickly, as the username will be forcibly changed if no contact is made within 48hrs of joining.

[vt2vx]

It's a shame that payless tyres only joined up to reply to this thread, only when someone bitches about someone else they all of a sudden jumped on register and after their rant they gone ppffttt..


they probably didn't even know about this site before this. not every business or person knows of its exsistence. they only found out after someone from here called them.

glad to see a tyre place may join up anyway.

tempe T gets lots of comments but have not joined, they know about this site. and they have had negative comments about the cheap tyres they sell. no warrantee etc.

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

Too many posts in this thread are now bordering on advertising .....

Well maybe you should lock the whole site and just leave the sponsors sections open and nothing else!!! As its clearly all about how many $ this site can generate and not much else these days... Hope your getting your cut...

God help us if someone finds a new or interesting product that the members might be interested in and the manufacturer isnt a sponsor...

:argue:

:toetap:

[XLR8 V8]

Hope your getting your cut...

:argue:

:toetap:


The Mods don't get paid anything ... but thanks for your concern .... we do this purely for the love and appreciation shown posts such as the one you just made.

The point is that there would be no motivation for our current sponsors to ciontinue to support the site if other businesses can just happily post details/deals etc.
No sponsors = no forum

Users are allowed to post recommendations, but non-sponsor businesses aren't allowed to advertise their wares ... simple as that
If they weren't, I would have locked this thread already .... chillout Sly

[VTSII Clubby]

The Mods don't get paid anything ... but thanks for your concern .... we do this purely for the love and appreciation shown posts such as the one you just made.

The point is that there would be no motivation for our current sponsors to ciontinue to support the site if other businesses can just happily post details/deals etc.
No sponsors = no forum

Users are allowed to post recommendations, but non-sponsor businesses aren't allowed to advertise their wares ... simple as that
If they weren't, I would have locked this thread already .... chillout Sly

3,2,1... count down to close...

[C4B]

Well maybe you should lock the whole site and just leave the sponsors sections open and nothing else!!! As its clearly all about how many $ this site can generate and not much else these days... Hope your getting your cut...

God help us if someone finds a new or interesting product that the members might be interested in and the manufacturer isnt a sponsor...

:argue:

:toetap:

So not only are you quite happy to use a service that is provided to you at no charge, but you are also opposed to the owner making some money out of it by other means.

[pltrs]

hey guys,

sorry if i broke any rules,
im new to this and wasnt familiar with the rules.
i just wanted to a fair go at defending myself

ive sent through an email in regards to becoming a sponsor on here.
hope to hear back soon

[seedyrom]

Yo Jeff,

Will you be at work at 8:40am tomorrow morning ?

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

The Mods don't get paid anything ... but thanks for your concern .... we do this purely for the love and appreciation shown posts such as the one you just made.

:nopity:


The point is that there would be no motivation for our current sponsors to ciontinue to support the site if other businesses can just happily post details/deals etc.

No sponsors = no forum

Users are allowed to post recommendations, but non-sponsor businesses aren't allowed to advertise their wares ... simple as that
If they weren't, I would have locked this thread already .... chillout Sly

I've read it all now.... you crack me up man... seriously, you honestly beleive all that or are you pulling my chain again....

Somesones cashing in and you work for free.... I luv it.. there should be more of it in the world :lol:

[XLR8 V8]

hey guys,

sorry if i broke any rules,
im new to this and wasnt familiar with the rules.
i just wanted to a fair go at defending myself

ive sent through an email in regards to becoming a sponsor on here.
hope to hear back soon


All good Jeff - you have every right to defend your business.

Based on the feedback I've read so far your business would be a valued addition to the forum


:nopity:



I've read it all now.... you crack me up man... seriously, you honestly beleive all that or are you pulling my chain again....

Somesones cashing in and you work for free.... I luv it.. there should be more of it in the world :lol:


If you have concerns about where the funds go, take it up with Sidey.
We aren't privvy to the financials of the site and to be honest couldn't really give a shit where the money goes. We were Mods before the sponsors became involved, and we have continued to do the same job afterwards - and I'd do them same job if there were no sponsors (if the site was still running)
All that's changed is that we were given a new set of rules to enforce - which is what we do .... enforce the rules and cop shit from people about enforcing those rules.

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

You luv it, we all know its just the way you like to show your affection towards your fellow LS1 freinds, I still luv you no matter how many threads you lock...

XLR8 V8 :love2:

[Ghosn]

3,2,1... count down to close...

Why does it need to be closed?


You luv it, we all know its just the way you like to show you affection towards you fellow LS1 freinds, I still luv you no matter how many threads you lock...

XLR8 V8 :love2:

You dumping me?

[XLR8 V8]

You luv it

XLR8 V8 :love2:


I enjoy being part of the forums and trying to help things run smoothly .... if all the crap/abusive PMs/email threats annoyed me that much I'd step down as a Mod.
I've come close but not yet


You luv it, we all know its just the way you like to show your affection towards your fellow LS1 freinds, I still luv you no matter how many threads you lock...

XLR8 V8 :love2:


Does that mean I can drive your car? I don't put out though! :P

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

You dumping me?

Plenty of luv to go round Damo... :lol:

Ive read the rules, threads can also be locked if

They go on for to long and become to funny.. so stop it, your taking up all the bandwidth on the net and it will have to shut down...

[seedyrom]

not wanting to piss too much in Kris' pocket, but he did a pretty good job last night moderating all the crap that happened.

and boy, was it getting bad

Let enough shit fly before mopping up ... and has let this thread rightfully continue on ... all he's done is warn.


Funny though ... this has turned into a hugely positive thread for Payless, yet would have to have the worst subject for them :D

[XLR8 V8]

yet would have to have the worst subject for them :D

Fixed ..... :D

[Rotty]

Trial by forum...acquitted!

[SS Enforcer]

Wot .... no other business to slag off, should be able to pick up a few more sponsors by the end of the week. :dance:

Now we need a car sales guy that gives great deals and tells the truth :toetap:

cheers

[SSBarney]

Trial by forum...acquitted!

This Lynch mob is weak:booty:

[RED R8]

Funny isn't it someone whinges about (so called) bad service ,so shop in question joins LS1 defends his honor gets lots of support ,makes new friends and sell sh1tloads GOOD ON YA MATE.

PS:Wanna buy a Solahart from my store VTGen 3 I will try hard to give you poor service.

Just to say I run my own business and try as you might you can't please everyone as some feel they deserve royalty status but in business things do go wrong (occasionally) but if a customer rang me whinging and complaining like a kid I would not go out of my way .

[Animal]

Trial by forum...acquitted!

And strangely enough, VT Gen3 has been deafly quiet since post #20

Props to Jeff for now becoming a sponsor, one hell of a welcome though.

...... and a group hug to XLR8 V8 for his patience here, this could have gone either way yet the end result is a good one.

Ken

[R8VX2]

Just goes to show that there are always two sides to a story.:box:

Actually theres always three sides to a story - your side, their side and the truth. ;)

[Funky_Munky]

Hard to trust many business in this day and age.

[mustanger]

And strangely enough, VT Gen3 has been deafly quiet since post #20

Props to Jeff for now becoming a sponsor, one hell of a welcome though.

...... and a group hug to XLR8 V8 for his patience here, this could have gone either way yet the end result is a good one.

Ken

Over 3000 views and it has only been 24 hours since the first post.:argue:

[pltrs]

Yo Jeff,

Will you be at work at 8:40am tomorrow morning ?


yo seedy,


yes mate, ill be there

[X BC X]

not wanting to piss too much in Kris' pocket, but he did a pretty good job last night moderating all the crap that happened.

Let enough shit fly before mopping up ... and has let this thread rightfully continue on ... all he's done is warn.


ill second that :bounce:

good to see things get thrashed out in a controlled manner :up2sum: instead of been thrown the :lock:

it was getting hot last night :flame: reminicent of the wil-wax-u days.... :argue:

good onya PAYLESS, for coming on and defending yourself .... and the subsequent sponsorship :bravo: (pending)


good moderationingism :dancenana:

[10sec_rx7]

yo seedy,


yes mate, ill be there

welcome!!

how much is 2x 245/19's going to cost me!! :dance:

[pltrs]

why cant i reply to PM???

[HSVREDSLED]

Maybe not enough posts.

from the FAQs

Sending Private Messages

Private messages work a little like email, but are limited to registered members of this forum. You may be able to include vB Code, smilies and images in private messages that you send. To enable yourself to send Private Messages you first require 10 Posts

[Vulture]

We aren't privvy to the financials of the site and to be honest couldn't really give a shit where the money goes. We were Mods before the sponsors became involved, and we have continued to do the same job afterwards - and I'd do them same job if there were no sponsors (if the site was still running).

But seriously, I think you SHOULD be paid for your time. I'd be a bit peeved if I was putting so much time into making the forum a good place to be AND making the owner money without some compensation. Good on you for donating your time for free.

[Malik]

cool... somewhere to get my new rims from :)

cheers to thread starter.

[Pickles]

This has been a great story-always good to see the truth come out-also congratulations to Payless for answering the criticism in a balanced, professional, manner.
Cheers, Pickles.

[VTSII Clubby]

why cant i reply to PM???

Have patience young padiwan:lmao:
(10 posts required)

[Vulture]

there is no slander here, its a true story.

That's 'cause slander is spoken; libel is the written version.
Wanting compensation for 20Kms worth of fuel is a bit on the cheapskate side.

[vt2vx]

Maybe not enough posts.

from the FAQs

Sending Private Messages

Private messages work a little like email, but are limited to registered members of this forum. You may be able to include vB Code, smilies and images in private messages that you send. To enable yourself to send Private Messages you first require 10 Posts

does that still apply after he gets to be a sponsor and has his own section, has to be able to answer then.
anyway just a thought.

worked out rather well this thread in the end

[jkgmh]

this makes 9 posts i think
Jeff, sent you a PM last night if you can respond please ?

Ta

JK

[vt2vx]

Funny isn't it someone whinges about (so called) bad service ,so shop in question joins LS1 defends his honor gets lots of support ,makes new friends and sell sh1tloads GOOD ON YA MATE.

PS:Wanna buy a Solahart from my store VTGen 3 I will try hard to give you poor service.

Just to say I run my own business and try as you might you can't please everyone as some feel they deserve royalty status but in business things do go wrong (occasionally) but if a customer rang me whinging and complaining like a kid I would not go out of my way .

Don’t always have to think the worst of everyone. I’m sure it’s happened before, but I don't think all sponsors use that method to get on here or boost sales. Some good politicians around to be sure, I’d like to think not all are like that however.

great customer service and fixing any problems is what get you more work. look at sonny for example, he now has to much work based on giving good service to everyone.

[pltrs]

i cant reply to Pm's, im waiting to clear the 10 post thingy.

will answer soon






Jeff, sent you a PM last night if you can respond please ?

Ta

JK

[jkgmh]

i cant reply to Pm's, im waiting to clear the 10 post thingy.

will answer soon
Got your PM Jeff...ta....

[RED R8]

Don’t always have to think the worst of everyone. I’m sure it’s happened before, but I don't think all sponsors use that method to get on here or boost sales. Some good politicians around to be sure, I’d like to think not all are like that however.

great customer service and fixing any problems is what get you more work. look at sonny for example, he now has to much work based on giving good service to everyone.

I do pride my business on good service like Sonny but you still can get customers that expect miracles.I am glad this turned out like it did as a 20k trip to get the right caps isn't the end of the world (I like trips in mine) it didn't need to end up on a website.So welcome PAYLESSTYRES you have found the right site we LS1 boys tend to go through more tyres than a mormans bicycle.:lol:

[Ryzz]

i cant reply to Pm's, im waiting to clear the 10 post thingy.

will answer soonYour up to 11 posts so you should have no problems sending/replying to PM's now.

[vt2vx]

OK so that all sorted

but who's the dobber :toetap: :up2sum: :argue:


the one drinking all that beer :dance:


not worried pll deserve a chance to defend themselfs, so its a good thing...

telling it on here can have some advantage, better than ppl running around doing it by mouth, how do you stop that or reply.

[pltrs]

i agree with with you on the miracle customers,
sometimes you get customers that go out of there way to find something to whinge about, thats part of dealing with the general public i guess, you just gotta be patient sometimes.

to be honest, if i knew this gentleman was goin to cause such a fuss over a centrecap i wouldnt have sold him the wheels in the first place.

as anyone is business would know, there are times where things go wrong,
wrong items are delivered, parts dont arrive on time, shipping company loses/damages wheels in transit etc etc. if you were to post a essay on the net bad mouthing people everytime something went wrong , you would have a lot of enemies.

anyways, atleast something good came out of it,
hopefully my sponsorship will be up and running soon

thanks for all the support guys.




I do pride my business on good service like Sonny but you still can get customers that expect miracles.I am glad this turned out like it did as a 20k trip to get the right caps isn't the end of the world (I like trips in mine) it didn't need to end up on a website.So welcome PAYLESSTYRES you have found the right site we LS1 boys tend to go through more tyres than a mormans bicycle.:lol:

[Snapper]

But look on the bright side. He actually did you a favour. Without him, you wouldn't have met us.:bravo:

I also believe with the number of people that jumped in to support you will only be benificail for your business moving forward.

I do notice however the individual in question is notably absent!

[pltrs]

good point.

[Alex81]

welcome to the forum just a pity about how you found us :diddy:

[pltrs]

thanks dude,

hell of a welcome party :)

[planetdavo]

thanks dude,

hell of a welcome party :)
There's a few people with a bit too much spare time on their hands on here me thinks....:argue: .
Good on you for trying to put across a calm response. I get blowtorched roughly once a week myself!!!!!

[FatBoy]

Anyone want a dodgy haircut ?? I own a hair salon and would love a chance to defend myself against a whinger... :lol:

Payless - Seems like you've won a few fans with your great attitude mate, maybe they are right when they say any promotion is good promotion !! :lmao:

[SCiFiRE]

yup, thumbs up for stepping up to the plate

[Elite SS]

I'll offer the same warning as last time a thread was started similar to this.
If you post up the name of a business in a negative light, make sure what you say is completely factual to the point you would be willing to swear on it in court .... as that's where you may end up.

Why is that..I didn't think a car Forum is liable for any slander or bad or negative feedback on any company....
there is no law stating that someone can't discuss their experience if it's true, I can't see where someone can to be put in a position of a court threat
over a bad experience through a dealer or a purchase gone wrong...that means half the talk back radio stations would spend more time in court than on air.
If these clowns wouldn't stuff people about they would have any bad feed back.

[SSBarney]

there is no law stating that someone can't discuss their experience if it's true, .



you say is completely factual to the point you would be willing to swear on it in court .... as that's where you may end up


EliteSS you do understand that factual and true have the same meaning:lol:

If its true of course there is no harm, but as this thread illustrates, people like to leave out little parts of the truth to suit their side.

[XLR8 V8]

Why is that..I didn't think a car Forum is liable for any slander or bad or negative feedback on any company....
there is no law stating that someone can't discuss their experience if it's true, I can't see where someone can to be put in a position of a court threat
over a bad experience through a dealer or a purchase gone wrong...that means half the talk back radio stations would spend more time in court than on air.
If these clowns wouldn't stuff people about they would have any bad feed back.


I didn't say the forum would be liable ... I said the person making the statement would be ....
I also said to make sure the statements were completely factual to avoid possible legal action .... which is exactly what you just said ... so what's your point? :confused:

[Tombo]

Just read through all the posts... great read... Its like a fairy tale... The bad guy ends up the good guy, the original good guy leaves town when the heat gets turned up (and sorta becomes the bad guy) and the moderator gets flamed for a bit until the cavalry arrives to support him... I love this forum :love2:

[HSVREDSLED]

Just read through all the posts... great read... Its like a fairy tale... The bad guy ends up the good guy, the original good guy leaves town when the heat gets turned up (and sorta becomes the bad guy) and the moderator gets flamed for a bit until the cavalry arrives to support him... I love this forum :love2:


Yep,,,

It gets a bit like a soap opera....addictive!!!

[Elite SS]

EliteSS you do understand that factual and true have the same meaning:lol:
If its true of course there is no harm, but as this thread illustrates, people like to leave out little parts of the truth to suit their side.

Yes I realise that....So where does it say That I said or wrote there's a difference :lol: :lol: :lol:


I didn't say the forum would be liable ... I said the person making the statement would be ....
I also said to make sure the statements were completely factual to avoid possible legal action .... which is exactly what you just said ... so what's your point? :confused:

Even in regards to an individual person stating the own personal experience, there is little to no chance of a company going so fare to take a comment to court, every business is going to have Happy & unhappy customers...thats business...except for Sonny's work..all good I hear...
If a company or business is going to dwell on poor feedback on an issue they contributed too...they might as well slose shop or improve on their service.

And my point was ..you stated that any one should be cautious when posting comments on bad experiences...or they could be liable to a possible court action...why...

Ok "I Hate Fords because they rust " & " WRX's because they over rated" and any car that has more than factory placed stickers...and the list goes on...:lol: :lol: :lol:

What Happened to freedom of speach...No body got hurt..the customer had his say the Company had there's let the people choose themselves...

[heavychevy]

Yes I realise that....So where does it say That I said or wrote there's a difference :lol: :lol: :lol:



Even in regards to an individual person stating the own personal experience, there is little to no chance of a company going so fare to take a comment to court, every business is going to have Happy & unhappy customers...thats business...except for Sonny's work..all good I hear...
If a company or business is going to dwell on poor feedback on an issue they contributed too...they might as well slose shop or improve on their service.

And my point was ..you stated that any one should be cautious when posting comments on bad experiences...or they could be liable to a possible court action...why...

Ok "I Hate Fords because they rust " & " WRX's because they over rated" and any car that has more than factory placed stickers...and the list goes on...:lol: :lol: :lol:

What Happened to freedom of speach...No body got hurt..the customer had his say the Company had there's let the people choose themselves...


You have a very basic understanding of the law EliteSS

In law, defamation is a right of action for communicating statements that may harm an individual's reputation or character. The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture,sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel.

[VooDoo]

Australia doesnt have any "free Speech" laws. You have been watching too much US TV and Movies.

Web sites in AU have been sued for allowing the publication of statements made by its members. Even though the statements were true didnt stop the web site having to spend many $1000's to defend itself against something the members said.

If the owner and moderators of a web site want to remove ANY post for any reason they are quite within their rights to do so. If thats to protect its members from themselves or the site as a whole then they need to do it and the members should be thankful.

BTW, many radio stations DO spend more time in court than on air.

In the end, the good guys won, bad guys didnt, nobody lost an eye and we were entertained for a while... now where is that "couldnt run on a Dyno" thread :lmao:

[Tonner]

. now where is that "couldnt run on a Dyno" thread :lmao:

Yes that was starting to get warmed up and then 'pfft'

Gone..................... >>>>>>>>>>>>:up2sum:




but who's the dobber :toetap: :up2sum: :argue:
.

we should do a poll on who we think it was.:flip3:

[SS Enforcer]

So welcome PAYLESSTYRES you have found the right site we LS1 boys tend to go through more tyres than a mormans bicycle.:lol:


You revheads might but most of us get 60k out of each set of tyres :woot:

Nah only kiddin in my ute I tore up 1 set in under 6k :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:

So Mr Payless I reckon if you did a pole and found the most popular brand of tyres for the guys on here and did a good deal on them you would sell heaps of them.

cheers

[VTSII Clubby]

thanks dude,

hell of a welcome party :)

What was that? Your going to throw a Welcome Party...
:party: :woohoo: :stick:

[seedyrom]

Yo Jeff,

Will you be at work at 8:40am tomorrow morning ?




yo seedy,


yes mate, ill be there

I was on my way by 8:45 :D
Thanks very much Jeff. Prompt, cheap, efficient, friendly service :thumbsup:

Now .... I have the final conclusion (nail in the coffin?) to this thread.

Please excuse the low quality pics. The one with the evidence is a little hard to see, but I will do my best to describe it.


We have all heard the claim yes ?
Well whilst I waited for Payless to open, I looked at the display window that faces the road.

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_chrome.jpg

There you can see the "chrome" covers that VT GEN3 was after.

But when you look at the wheels he actually bought, clearly, on display are the following covers

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_silver.jpg

The silver versions!!!!

Some might say that this thread is totally useless.
Some might say that there was nothing wrong at all
Some might say that the fact that Payless tyres swapped them to the covers he later decided he wanted was totally above and beyond the call of good business
Some might say requesting $5 in petrol for your own error is rediculous
All I'll say is that I reckon they've done a pretty good job, LS1.com.au has benefitted from them joining, and I encourage other members to use their services.

I'd never been there until this morning, and was thoroughly impressed with what I found.

Cheers,
Seedy

[vh-holden]

Nah only kiddin in my ute I tore up 1 set in under 6k :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:


pathetic. i killed the rears on the vh in a morning of driving. then put on an almost brand new set of kumhos and killed them.

mind you, the car was sideways for most of that driving.(on an old airstrip)

[vt2vx]

I was on my way by 8:45 :D
Thanks very much Jeff. Prompt, cheap, efficient, friendly service :thumbsup:

Now .... I have the final conclusion (nail in the coffin?) to this thread.

Please excuse the low quality pics. The one with the evidence is a little hard to see, but I will do my best to describe it.


We have all heard the claim yes ?
Well whilst I waited for Payless to open, I looked at the display window that faces the road.

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_chrome.jpg

There you can see the "chrome" covers that VT GEN3 was after.

But when you look at the wheels he actually bought, clearly, on display are the following covers

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_silver.jpg

The silver versions!!!!

Some might say that this thread is totally useless.
Some might say that there was nothing wrong at all
Some might say that the fact that Payless tyres swapped them to the covers he later decided he wanted was totally above and beyond the call of good business
Some might say requesting $5 in petrol for your own error is rediculous
All I'll say is that I reckon they've done a pretty good job, LS1.com.au has benefitted from them joining, and I encourage other members to use their services.

I'd never been there until this morning, and was thoroughly impressed with what I found.

Cheers,
Seedy

how do i say this, could be taken the wrong way.

but aren't you going above the call of duty to proove the thread starter wrong and promote the tyre mob. we do need a tyre sponsor to answer questions etc about time and hope they stay a while. but the thread starter has already been prooven incorrect in his expectations. not that your wrong in any way, but i think he's been beaten over the head enough to learn something already.

hopefully Paylesstyres sponsor up soon so can answer questions that will benefit all.

[SSBarney]

. but the thread starter has already been prooven incorrect in his expectations. not that your wrong in any way, but i think he's been beaten over the head enough to learn something already.

.

Yeh but its entertaining:evil: :evil:
and besides Seedy has lots of time on his hands:stick:

[swingtan]

I was on my way by 8:45 :D
Thanks very much Jeff. Prompt, cheap, efficient, friendly service :thumbsup:

Now .... I have the final conclusion (nail in the coffin?) to this thread.

Please excuse the low quality pics. The one with the evidence is a little hard to see, but I will do my best to describe it.


We have all heard the claim yes ?
Well whilst I waited for Payless to open, I looked at the display window that faces the road.

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_chrome.jpg

There you can see the "chrome" covers that VT GEN3 was after.

But when you look at the wheels he actually bought, clearly, on display are the following covers

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cover_silver.jpg

The silver versions!!!!

Some might say that this thread is totally useless.
Some might say that there was nothing wrong at all
Some might say that the fact that Payless tyres swapped them to the covers he later decided he wanted was totally above and beyond the call of good business
Some might say requesting $5 in petrol for your own error is rediculous
All I'll say is that I reckon they've done a pretty good job, LS1.com.au has benefitted from them joining, and I encourage other members to use their services.

I'd never been there until this morning, and was thoroughly impressed with what I found.

Cheers,
Seedy

Was there supposed to be images in this ?

[Tonner]

how do i say this, could be taken the wrong way
but aren't you going above the call of duty to proove the thread starter wrong and promote the tyre mob. we do need a tyre sponsor to answer questions etc about time and hope they stay a while. but the thread starter has already been prooven incorrect in his expectations. not that your wrong in any way, but i think he's been beaten over the head enough to learn something already.

hopefully Paylesstyres sponsor up soon so can answer questions that will benefit all.

Yeh true, :lol:
Hey I dont agree either how the thread starter went about venting his Gripe, Too much info, But Bugger me you blokes are Judge Jury and Hangman:shock:

Anyway welcome Payless, we would love a Tyre sponsor with some good tyre deals now and then, great for the members in that area, and would be a good comparison to keep our local dealers honest.

[seedyrom]

how do i say this, could be taken the wrong way.

but aren't you going above the call of duty to proove the thread starter wrong and promote the tyre mob. we do need a tyre sponsor to answer questions etc about time and hope they stay a while. but the thread starter has already been prooven incorrect in his expectations. not that your wrong in any way, but i think he's been beaten over the head enough to learn something already.

hopefully Paylesstyres sponsor up soon so can answer questions that will benefit all.
Fair Call.

I may have "jumped the gun" in telling everyone to line up there. But I have been impressed. Even though my job this morning was minor.
Service was good though.

Whilst speaking to Jeff, I have been told that Sidey (or whoever) is making up the logos and banners for the site, then they'll be up.

As for the continued smashing of VT GEN3's story....


http://wishes.debian.co.nz/images/funny/forum/deadhorse.jpg

[Animal]

You have a very basic understanding of the law EliteSS

In law, defamation is a right of action for communicating statements that may harm an individual's reputation or character. The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture,sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel.


One of the most informative posts I have read on here. :cheers:

[swingtan]

Hey Seedy,
sorry about the previous post. Somehow Opera got set to only display cached images..... oops.....

[Snapper]

Please leave Seedyrom alone. I get many laughs from his posts. I especially like his product road tests.

[Vulture]

One of the most informative posts I have read on here. :cheers:

Yes, Wikipedia is a good resource - it's lifted straight from there. Hint for the poster of the information: best to reference your quotes...

[Sidewindr]

But seriously, I think you SHOULD be paid for your time. I'd be a bit peeved if I was putting so much time into making the forum a good place to be AND making the owner money without some compensation. Good on you for donating your time for free.

I am really getting sick and tired of all this BS .. let me break it down for you ..

1. The forums are provided FREE for all users, without sponsors this would not be the case.
2. The forums generate (serve) on average around 10GB/day of traffic.
3. The new web server hardware alone was just shy of $20k to purchase. This does not include the other servers that look after the domain and mail etc.
4. The Forums are NON-PROFIT which means all revenue MUST by law be put back into the running of the forums.
5. The Moderators do a fantastic job and have in the past received gifts of gratitude for their efforts. They have not received any lately as there has been considerable investment in the infrastructure to support the volume of users.

Best that you as a user simply enjoy the fact you have this resource provided to you completely free of charge, on a very fast server which is hardly ever down.


Why is that..I didn't think a car Forum is liable for any slander or bad or negative feedback on any company....
there is no law stating that someone can't discuss their experience if it's true, I can't see where someone can to be put in a position of a court threat
over a bad experience through a dealer or a purchase gone wrong...that means half the talk back radio stations would spend more time in court than on air.
If these clowns wouldn't stuff people about they would have any bad feed back.

The forums are classified legally as a Publisher and has similar responsibilities to those of other publishing media. This thread is a potential minefield of civil action as the line between fact and libel is not easy to determine. In the past our policy has been to can anything emotive as far as negative posting goes. If posts are rational, structured and ordered stating a recurrence of the events as they happened then they are usually left up unless directed to have them removed by a court.


What Happened to freedom of speach...No body got hurt..the customer had his say the Company had there's let the people choose themselves...

It sometimes happens this way but often does not...

[amckiwi]

we LS1 boys tend to go through more tyres than a mormans bicycle.:lol:

Um my push bike rear tyre needs hair restorer after 1000k's so Norman the Mormon might still get a look in lol

[Sidewindr]

BTW, many radio stations DO spend more time in court than on air.

Had a thread of legal action yesterday actually ... :rolleyes:

[Vulture]

1. The forums are provided FREE for all users, without sponsors this would not be the case.
2. The forums generate (serve) on average around 10GB/day of traffic.
3. The new web server hardware alone was just shy of $20k to purchase. This does not include the other servers that look after the domain and mail etc.
4. The Forums are NON-PROFIT which means all revenue MUST by law be put back into the running of the forums.
5. The Moderators do a fantastic job and have in the past received gifts of gratitude for their efforts. They have not received any lately as there has been considerable investment in the infrastructure to support the volume of users.

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. Well worth putting that in the FAQ?

[GTO LS2]

I looked at this thread the other day when it started and thought.... this thread will turn nasty real soon:weirdo:

But now after reading nearly every word its a bit of a feel good story really.:love2: ............I hope payless can supply tyres to the ACT (& the freight isnt too high) .... just need a good fitter now............................................... .....................................

A mate of mine had a set of 4 X Advan 245 X 19s fitted the other day to his VZ R8 and the business (wont be named) marked / chipped (badly) all 4 wheels:flame: :flame: ..............will see what happens.........

:machinegun: :machinegun: :machinegun: :machinegun:

[Sidewindr]

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. Well worth putting that in the FAQ?

Not really as it really has nothing to do with the users and usage of the forums. ;) I will be giving all of the mods a big sloppy show of gratitude in the near future :love2::dancenana:

[michaels1v8]

Not really as it really has nothing to do with the users and usage of the forums. ;) I will be giving all of the mods a big sloppy show of gratitude in the near future :love2::dancenana:

Oh you old softy :spew: hehe
Nah you guys all do a great job on this forum. I have been to many others and this is by far the one I prefer the most!

Cheers,
Michael

[XLR8 V8]

Not really as it really has nothing to do with the users and usage of the forums. ;) I will be giving all of the mods a big sloppy show of gratitude in the near future :love2::dancenana:

As I said, I'll moderate for free, so Ryzz can have my share of your sloppies:errr:

[monarocv8z]

Not really as it really has nothing to do with the users and usage of the forums. ;) I will be giving all of the mods a big sloppy show of gratitude in the near future :love2::dancenana:

Is this before or after your bottle of jack daniels???????

[pltrs]

hey guys,

sent the money through for the sponsorship today. hoping to have the banners and logo's up by monday,

now, who wants to buy some wheels? :)

[Iconic Bionic]

What was he thinking

[ssgirl2]

What was he thinking

Sorry...what was who thinking?

SS

[SUX350]

i see the thread starter has picked up his bat and ball and gone home.
oh well that usually happens when you crap on like that.:nutkick:
Welcome Paylesstyres.

[vt2vx]

hey guys,

sent the money through for the sponsorship today. hoping to have the banners and logo's up by monday,

now, who wants to buy some wheels? :)

you should get your own section soon then.

start up a thread in it with rims etc

also a list of what are the best performance tyres for price and list in say under $200, under $300 and over $300. overall best value for money tyres.

tried a couple of under $160 ones in 18's last two times. nankang ns2 grip was good, handling was good, noisy on mine. ECSTA SPT KU31 grip good, handling good, not noisy. bugger all rain really to test that.

[pltrs]

im a big fan of the ku31,

had nothing but good feedback about them.

pretty well priced too.

once i get my own section ill put something together for everyone to have a look at and compare.

[Elite SS]

I am really getting sick and tired of all this BS .. let me break it down for you ..

1. The forums are provided FREE for all users, without sponsors this would not be the case.
2. The forums generate (serve) on average around 10GB/day of traffic.
3. The new web server hardware alone was just shy of $20k to purchase. This does not include the other servers that look after the domain and mail etc.
4. The Forums are NON-PROFIT which means all revenue MUST by law be put back into the running of the forums.
5. The Moderators do a fantastic job and have in the past received gifts of gratitude for their efforts. They have not received any lately as there has been considerable investment in the infrastructure to support the volume of users.

Best that you as a user simply enjoy the fact you have this resource provided to you completely free of charge, on a very fast server which is hardly ever down.



The forums are classified legally as a Publisher and has similar responsibilities to those of other publishing media. This thread is a potential minefield of civil action as the line between fact and libel is not easy to determine. In the past our policy has been to can anything emotive as far as negative posting goes. If posts are rational, structured and ordered stating a recurrence of the events as they happened then they are usually left up unless directed to have them removed by a court.



It sometimes happens this way but often does not...


Fare call....So what happens when someone does a big illegal burnout or posts his experience about his 270 kl/h on the Motorway, Blowing the opposition of the lights on the local street...SO he could impress the the Forum members and visitors of any Forum..wouldn't that iniciate illegal and dangerous road activity...which wouldn't really benefit any Forum by stating that it allows this kind of Footage or behavior from a certain Forum regardless if it's this one or any other...
I am only asking as I am very Un-Familiar with the Aust Law System....

How the hell did I ever get a job with the Security division of the Federal Goverment.:doh:

My appologies to all if I appeared a little dummer than usual....:)

[heavychevy]

Fare call....So what happens when someone does a big illegal burnout or posts his experience about his 270 kl/h on the Motorway, Blowing the opposition of the lights on the local street...SO he could impress the the Forum members and visitors of any Forum..wouldn't that iniciate illegal and dangerous road activity


Sure would, and that's why any antisocial behaviour and / or excessive speed in suburban streets will get you a big thumbs down from the majority of folks on this forum

[Sidewindr]

hey guys,

sent the money through for the sponsorship today. hoping to have the banners and logo's up by monday,

now, who wants to buy some wheels? :)

Have to wait till your sponsorship goes live and you get your own sub forum etc. :) The sooner we get the banners sorted the sooner I can set you up :)


Fare call....So what happens when someone does a big illegal burnout or posts his experience about his 270 kl/h on the Motorway, Blowing the opposition of the lights on the local street...SO he could impress the the Forum members and visitors of any Forum..wouldn't that iniciate illegal and dangerous road activity...which wouldn't really benefit any Forum by stating that it allows this kind of Footage or behavior from a certain Forum regardless if it's this one or any other...
I am only asking as I am very Un-Familiar with the Aust Law System....

How the hell did I ever get a job with the Security division of the Federal Goverment.:doh:

My appologies to all if I appeared a little dummer than usual....:)

We don't condone any illegal activity and posts about burnouts or the like on here are just posts/text. Without actual proof or conviction by the law it is just one person's ramblings as far as we are concerned. How that person is judged by the greater forum community however is a different story :)

If there is material posted or linked to that is obviously illegal it is removed as soon as it discovered or reported. This is one of the main reasons we do not allow attachments only links, we would then be hosting such material if someone chose to attach it to a post.

[Elite SS]

Thanks for the feed back Guy's..Now I'm a little wiser..
I don't know how..but I am...:bravo:

[BekVP]

Well, all I did was a quick search under "KU31" to quickly check for reviews on these tyres before I hit the sack.

That was 25mins ago! haha. Trust the info I wanted to be on the last page.

Interesting read none the less :p