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xploit

23-11-2006, 11:02 PM

i sure as hell wont be voting for the greasy ****ing pathetic excuse of a slimeball...

i use the ringroad from greensborough to laverton about 8-10 times a day, and after tonight i would kill the prick...

ive noticed all the cameras are back up, but not only that, the traffic was crawling today, it took me 2.5 hours from kororoit creek rd to greensborough.. and what pissed me off more is the fact that THE ****ING VARIABLE SPEED LIMIT WAS 60 the whole ****ing way.. right under the hidden cameras too...

derr i know, traffic is ****ed lets make the whole lot 60 so when it does start to flow it bottlenecks and comes too a stop again.. ****ing snivelling grovelling stupid prick...

and yes mods you can delete if you like but im sorry hes a ****ing waste of time space and every decent persons air...

rant over

Dug

23-11-2006, 11:12 PM

The camera's went back up just on 3 weeks ago.

Vulture

24-11-2006, 02:24 AM

Was that the one where accidents actaully went down when they were switched off? Be funny if accidents went up when they were switched back on, eh?

Nutter

24-11-2006, 09:56 AM

Politicians are tossers the lot of them, what you all need to do is unanimously vote for me I’ll implement some great road rules

:burnout::burnout:

harey

24-11-2006, 10:02 AM

Was that the one where accidents actaully went down when they were switched off? Be funny if accidents went up when they were switched back on, eh?

Thats it. I can understand why too, so many people jumping on the brakes for every bridge! :toetap:

Geeze these politicians are smart :yup:

Brendan

24-11-2006, 11:27 AM

Thats it. I can understand why too, so many people jumping on the brakes for every bridge!

I went down the Geelong freeway for the first time in ages the other week, set the cruise on 104 as I normally do. Just faster than most people but there are still the idiots who belt along at 120 then slam on the brakes to 90 (along with everyone else) at the cameras then about 5 min later speed up and pass again, then slam the brakes back on.

Dickheads the lot of them.

VZSS250

24-11-2006, 02:36 PM

We all dont like speed cameras, but thats because we assume everyone on the road is equally good at controlling their car as we are. Many people can't co-ordinate their body to kick a football properly let alone drive.

You either make it significantly harder for them to get their licence by introducing comprehensive driver training (the electorate wouldn't tolerate that because it will be seen as more "red tape") or you take the easy, catch-all route, being speed enforcement with heavy fines and licence suspensions.

Its the growing amount of speed cameras that finally made me buy a Caprice so that I could just cruise along and not worry about speeding fines anymore. Only problem is that the big 6.0 litre still pulls hard in the barge and sounds great doing it, so back to square 1, fearing for my licence every time I get in the car.

Brendan

24-11-2006, 02:48 PM

You either make it significantly harder for them to get their licence by introducing comprehensive driver training (the electorate wouldn't tolerate that because it will be seen as more "red tape") or you take the easy, catch-all route

I'm just wondering when the next step will occur.

Another P Plater and 2 passegers killed in Sydney this morning (whether they were at fault I don't know).

How long before a P Plater's parent takes legal action against the RTA/VicRoads for not ensuring a driver is suitably qualified to handle a vehicle, or the coroner lays the blame squarely at the governments door.

Would be an interesting watch from the High Court gallery.

BarneyG

24-11-2006, 02:56 PM

I'm just wondering when the next step will occur.

Another P Plater and 2 passegers killed in Sydney this morning (whether they were at fault I don't know).

How long before a P Plater's parent takes legal action against the RTA/VicRoads for not ensuring a driver is suitably qualified to handle a vehicle, or the coroner lays the blame squarely at the governments door.

Would be an interesting watch from the High Court gallery.

I for one would also love to see the goverment get there arse kicked for causing traffic mayhem. But you know what, these camera's generate so so so much money that I'll bet not matter what party wins on the weekend these camera's are here to stay.:stick:

macca33

24-11-2006, 03:01 PM

I for one would also love to see the goverment get there arse kicked for causing traffic mayhem. But you know what, these camera's generate so so so much money that I'll bet not matter what party wins on the weekend these camera's are here to stay.:stick:

Mmm, a realist!

Yep, they are a pain in the arse, but you know what, if you don't speed, you don't get photographed. Simple really.

BTW, YES, I have been pinged also. I just wear them, no use complaining as I knew that I had been speeding at the time.

Cheers,

Macca

zozza

24-11-2006, 07:10 PM

howdy all. have to agree that speed cameras suck!!:flip2:

the company i work for has the contract on the ring road cameras. i did 2 weeks of night shift installing cameras and boy did we cop some abuse by passing motorists:lol: .

as far as i know they aren't all in operation yet and fines won't be given out 'till some time in mid to late january:bawl: take note though, that anybody doing ridiculous speeds will have their details passed on to police, so easy on the pedals.

i'm sure it wont take long though for someone to use them for shooting practice:yup:

cheers

zozza

TigerMon

24-11-2006, 08:02 PM

is this the "vote liberal" post? :spew:

`redoctober

24-11-2006, 08:08 PM

is this the "vote liberal" post? :spew:
Well I'm pretty certain we sure as hell don't want to vote for Labor.

EfiJy

24-11-2006, 08:10 PM

The camera's went back up just on 3 weeks ago.

not everywere mate. i saw some go up last night at around 10.30.

I for one would also love to see the goverment get there arse kicked for causing traffic mayhem. But you know what, these camera's generate so so so much money that I'll bet not matter what party wins on the weekend these camera's are here to stay.:stick:

its not so much about the cameras not staying. its more about the state govements attitude. 3 km/h is just to strict and they are actually contravening the design rule mandates which clearly state speedometer errors are calibrated to 10% error.

SSBarney

24-11-2006, 08:17 PM

Well I'm pretty certain we sure as hell don't want to vote for Labor.

I'm pretty sure u wont be voting at all:lol:

As said, it doesnt matter who gets in, speed cameras are here to stay.

How long before a P Plater's parent takes legal action against the RTA/VicRoads for not ensuring a driver is suitably qualified to handle a vehicle, or the coroner lays the blame squarely at the governments door.

Would be an interesting watch from the High Court gallery.

And i was going to sue the doctor because i was born ugly:errr:
Get real. I hate the speed restrictions with a passion, but ur statement is some serious BS:bravo:

TigerMon

24-11-2006, 08:57 PM

you can not be serious :lol:

Vote 1 Liberal for no speed cameras, 140km/hr speed limits, and a free slab of vic :yup:

Whoever it is, we're a revenue stream and safety has little to do with it. There's a good editorial in Wheels or Motor, i can't remmber which now as I left it on the train, the train that is.

`redoctober

24-11-2006, 09:08 PM

I'm pretty sure u wont be voting at all:lol:

As said, it doesnt matter who gets in, speed cameras are here to stay.
If I was I'm pretty sure I wouldn't vote for that b****rd bracks.

Tombo

24-11-2006, 09:38 PM

:soap:
My Theory: Do not put the party thats in back in... Make the politicians listen to the electorate rather than do their own thing until 2 or so months before the election. Do not be sucked in by false promises. Do not vote like you are following a football team... Just because your Father / Mother or whom ever votes Liberal/Labor does not mean you have to. Do not let the politicians think they will automatically get back in no matter whether they do a good job or not... Remember it seems most people think more about what they are going to have for lunch than who they vote for to run the country. Hopefully then the if the people vote to remove incompetent pollies they may just listen to the majority of voters. I really believe that the country is not as good now as it was 25yrs ago (however it is still one of the best places in the world). It is up to the voters of Australia to make a difference. (BTW this system would not be a short term solution but more a longer term one) Feel free to shoot down as necessary!! Sorry off thread as well!!

shep

24-11-2006, 09:54 PM

If I was I'm pretty sure I wouldn't vote for that b****rd bracks.

Would you vote for the Elvis impersonator if you could Rob?
Sorry Still off track.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

ls1manta

26-11-2006, 10:05 AM

Vulture

26-11-2006, 10:52 AM

How long before a P Plater's parent takes legal action against the RTA/VicRoads for not ensuring a driver is suitably qualified to handle a vehicle, or the coroner lays the blame squarely at the governments door.

Not as silly as it sounds. The actions of governments and road safety organisations could easily be seen as wilfully negligent ie they continue using methods and strategies which do not work time and time again.

clixanup

26-11-2006, 11:41 AM

If I was I'm pretty sure I wouldn't vote for that b****rd bracks.
Speed cameras were introduced to Victoria by Jeff. And as has been already said a couple of times in this thread, the cameras are here to stay regardless of who wins.

O5BRKY

27-11-2006, 06:54 AM

Speed cameras were introduced in '86 from memory.way before Jeff.

JNP304

27-11-2006, 07:19 AM

Yes people say dont speed then you dont get caught, it`s harder than it sounds when you dont have cruise cont. And I would have to agree it would cause more accidents on the freeways. People looking down every second to check there speedos, taking eyes off road and jumping on brakes at every bride would surely add up to more accidents than the very bad man letting his car coast to 106km/h down a hill ect! Speed cameras saving lives?, baha sure.

clixanup

27-11-2006, 12:01 PM

Speed cameras were introduced in '86 from memory.way before Jeff.
Nope. It was 1994. I was there when it happened. Red light cameras were introduced well before that though...

xploit

28-11-2006, 06:38 PM

Mmm, a realist!

Yep, they are a pain in the arse, but you know what, if you don't speed, you don't get photographed. Simple really.

BTW, YES, I have been pinged also. I just wear them, no use complaining as I knew that I had been speeding at the time.

Cheers,

Macca

macca that is TOTAL BULLSHIT.. i fear for my license everytime i go under them and i sit on 95, thats bullshit half the reason they got taken down is because they get false readings.

they got a truck at "160" *fully loaded semi* going up the hill?

and a datsun sunny at 165? the thing couldnt even do bloody 110 with a professional race car driver on a race track and the government still didnt back down on it!...

and lets not forget people getting booked for doing UNDER the speed limit.. which is a load of crap, sure their money was returned but their points werent..

****ing government i hate them.

I'm pretty sure u wont be voting at all:lol:

As said, it doesnt matter who gets in, speed cameras are here to stay.

And i was going to sue the doctor because i was born ugly:errr:
Get real. I hate the speed restrictions with a passion, but ur statement is some serious BS:bravo:

i studied law, and i believe that he might be right barney, if you get a good mouth peice, and young people had lost their lives, it would spark such public outrage as well... but they start bringing up things like license tests etc,

but theres such thing as a duty of care, this extends to businesses selling a product *ie workcover*, you to your fellow neighbour *legal jargin for anyone that you are consulted with*

for example: you slip in a store with a wet aisle, even if they have warned you, you can argue there wasnt adequate steps taken to prevent it happening.. now you would have to have deep pockets but its possible.. because the government is meant to be looking after the community..

just like how you can sue the council for medical expenses if you trip over a broken footpath and break your jaw.

...or take off your mirror in poofy blue ss, because it was too close to the road :stick: :P

Brendan

28-11-2006, 07:02 PM

i studied law, and i believe that he might be right barney, if you get a good mouth peice, and young people had lost their lives, it would spark such public outrage as well... but they start bringing up things like license tests etc,
I posed the thought just to spark discussion, but look at the papers, the NSW govt is doing a fair bit of listening to the parents of those teenagers killed.

BossV8

28-11-2006, 09:22 PM

I'm surprised Liberal didnt use the speed camera line in their recent election campaign ads.... the people who voted Bracks back in must be bloody forgetfull or dont care that little electronic gizmo's may be pinging us for not speeding or that we spend most of our driving time gazing at the speedo needle cautious of doing 3km/hr over

When will any govt learn that if they really want to lower a road toll they need to start educating people young and properly about factes of driving.

People should be slowing down to be safer, whats happening is people are slowing down to avoid fines or license loss

SSBarney

28-11-2006, 09:31 PM

whats happening is people are slowing down to avoid fines or license loss

:confused: and der:confused: thats the whole idea

VXSS346

28-11-2006, 09:39 PM

No its not, just because their slowing down it doesn't mean the roads are safer.
Their slowing down in fear, that's not the answer.
As a result of slowing down they are complacent thinking 'I am safe now' so they daydream on the road.

We end up with a whole bunch of people driving slowly (obeying a number on the side of the road) with their eyes closed.

I'd rather they drove more normally and were alert.

My 2c.

clixanup

28-11-2006, 09:40 PM

I'm surprised Liberal didnt use the speed camera line in their recent election campaign ads.... the people who voted Bracks back in must be bloody forgetfull
Of what? Bracks didn't introduce them, Jeff did. And Baillieu (if elected) certainly wasn't going to shut them down. They're too rich a cash cow for that. Have you ever known a Liberal government to want less money??

When will any govt learn that if they really want to lower a road toll they need to start educating people young and properly about factes of driving.
That, I agree with.

People should be slowing down to be safer, whats happening is people are slowing down to avoid fines or license loss
Doesn't matter why they do it, as long as they do...

SSBarney

28-11-2006, 09:42 PM

We end up with a whole bunch of people driving slowly with their eyes closed.

I'd rather they drove faster and were alert.

My 2c.

Burnouts should be legal, because we are alert whilst doing burnouts and hey always very alert whilst drifting, so that should be legal too.

VXSS346

28-11-2006, 09:47 PM

When I say faster, I don't mean 100km/h on a side street.
I'm saying its better if people drove more normally to the conditions, rather than so slow, they stop concentrating.

Most here would agree our speed limits are too low, and/or way too heavily enforced.

JNP304

29-11-2006, 07:08 AM

SSBarney what a smart Ar$e! Don`t complain when you get done for 103km/h on the freeway then. Dare you accel to 104 you may lose control. Does SS in your case stand for Super Sensible? :)

SSBarney

29-11-2006, 08:43 AM

SSBarney what a smart Ar$e! Don`t complain when you get done for 103km/h on the freeway then. Dare you accel to 104 you may lose control. Does SS in your case stand for Super Sensible? :)

I certainly dont claim to be the most cautious driver (although a lot calmer than years ago).
Just copped two tickets from the cameras hidden under Grieve Pde bridge,
( i dont travel into the city much and forgot about them)

Of course i was pissed off wasting $430 and getting 6 points, but really who's fault is it that i got the tickets............ MINE.
I wont get done by those cameras again!
I'm not on here whinging and saying that the speed limit should be raised etc.

Where do u draw the line. Lets say u can travel at 105 in a 100 zone, then people will whinge about getting done for 106, so we raise it up and up.
At some point u have to accept the consequences of your own actions.

Carrots

29-11-2006, 08:57 AM

Where do u draw the line. Lets say u can travel at 105 in a 100 zone, then people will whinge about getting done for 106, so we raise it up and up. At some point u have to accept the consequences of your own actions.

I agree with the overall gist of your comment there. However what happens when you are in an older vehicle (or whatever vehicle for that fact) where your speedo is out. You think you're doing 100kmh and in fact you're doing 104kmh for arguements sake. Its a little rough don't you think? Sure one can argue that its the drivers fault for having an incorrect speedo, but for some it's not justifiable to buy a newer car etc that is likely to be more correct.

Just a question/some thoughts I've always wondered and what those people "over" the border have to say about it etc. Having said that though, whenever I am in Victoria I'm always concious of my ensuring the needle is on 100kmh (or if I have the GPS in the car cruise set to 102 :lol:)

Whats are people (from Victoria) views on the 100kmh limits on most country roads? I think for a lot of the roads over there it is quite reasonable for them to be limited to 100. Essentially just because of the overal density of the state, both population and vegetation wise, some of those roads are narrrroooow with trees within inches of the bitumen!

Bit of a ramble I know! But your thoughts? (And no I'm not taking a dig at Mexico! he he)

SSBarney

29-11-2006, 09:00 AM

I agree with the overall gist of your comment there. However what happens when you are in an older vehicle (or whatever vehicle for that fact) where your speedo is out. You think you're doing 100kmh and in fact you're doing 104kmh for arguements sake. Its a little rough don't you think? Sure one can argue that its the drivers fault for having an incorrect speedo, but for some it's not justifiable to buy a newer car etc that is likely to be more correct.

Just a question/some thoughts I've always wondered and what those people "over" the border have to say about it etc. Having said that though, whenever I am in Victoria I'm always concious of my ensuring the needle is on 100kmh (or if I have the GPS in the car cruise set to 102 :lol:)

Whats are people (from Victoria) views on the 100kmh limits on most country roads? I think for a lot of the roads over there it is quite reasonable for them to be limited to 100. Essentially just because of the overal density of the state, both population and vegetation wise, some of those roads are narrrroooow with trees within inches of the bitumen!

Bit of a ramble I know! But your thoughts? (And no I'm not taking a dig at Mexico! he he)

We have 110 zones on a number of freeways once out of town, bit few and far between though.

Carrots

29-11-2006, 09:16 AM

We have 110 zones on a number of freeways once out of town, bit few and far between though.

Yeah I know, the likes of the Hume Highway etc and the Highway between Ballarat and Melb. All the big multi-lane suckers.

dean

29-11-2006, 09:44 AM

There was some talk of increasing sections of the Westgate Fwy to 110km/h limit - this shows the current speed camera enforced limit of 100 on this road is not about safety at all.

When you look at the number of cars on the road compared to 10 yrs ago & the road toll figures, t has droped in relative terms much greater than quoted.

Brendan

29-11-2006, 10:30 AM

Whats are people (from Victoria) views on the 100kmh limits on most country roads? I think for a lot of the roads over there it is quite reasonable for them to be limited to 100. Essentially just because of the overal density of the state, both population and vegetation wise, some of those roads are narrrroooow with trees within inches of the bitumen!

That's correct - most of the B & C highways are shithouse.

Plenty of roads around where 80kph feels fast.

xploit

29-11-2006, 09:26 PM

well i was reading an article in motor i think it was a couple of years back, and they said that parts of the states were thinking of increasing there limit to 140kph on their highways because studies showed that people were more aware because of the speed they were doing.

lets face is 120-130 is a good cruising speed.. and if people want to go slower they should have dedicated lanes, although that could **** up as well..

but some of you might remember a huge public outcry a couple of years back when two 17 year olds were killed in nsw, because they were doing the speed limit, thought they were safe went through a corner at 70 and braked reasonably heavy, causing the rear brakes on their little excel to lock up, and they put it into a tree and died instantly.. just goes to show that if your doing the speed limit and your seatbelt on your not always safe, as much as the government portrays it, sure it has its advantages if something goes wrong but it portrays a "im safe because im doing the speed limit" attitude.

but once again, we get back to the point of, its easier for the government to wack fines on people, tolerate deaths and earn money..

rather than properly educating people especially young drivers, and costing them money, its pure mathematics.. even though its wrong its how it works and we just have to deal with it,

plus who can honestly say that they think any politician is in touch with the common person? they dont drive themselves around so they wouldnt know the frustration.

bdzy88

mustanger

29-11-2006, 09:35 PM

I certainly dont claim to be the most cautious driver (although a lot calmer than years ago).
Just copped two tickets from the cameras hidden under Grieve Pde bridge,
( i dont travel into the city much and forgot about them)

Of course i was pissed off wasting $430 and getting 6 points, but really who's fault is it that i got the tickets............ MINE.
I wont get done by those cameras again!
I'm not on here whinging and saying that the speed limit should be raised etc.

Where do u draw the line. Lets say u can travel at 105 in a 100 zone, then people will whinge about getting done for 106, so we raise it up and up.
At some point u have to accept the consequences of your own actions.
But if you were caught speeding the first time by a marked car and issued a ticket ,I am sure that you would not have got your second one. My point is, that it is no good getting three or four tickets in the mail ,three or four weeks later after the event.............Cheers John

SSBarney

29-11-2006, 09:55 PM

BossV8

29-11-2006, 10:10 PM

:confused: and der:confused: thats the whole idea

You've missed the point, yes they are slowing down, but for the wrong reasons. People get a fine from a speeding ticket and dont stop to think maybe if they were going a fair way over the limit their driving may be dangerous or they would be liable if someone were to run out in front of them. They get the ticket and go shit, there goes another few hundred bucks

I'm no angel I've had my fair share but the point is if they want to get serious they should be drumming it into the heads of young kids of what can happen if they drive like idiots

TigerMon

30-11-2006, 09:53 PM

and the whole point of the speed kills campaign is to direct blame onto the driver and away from the absolute crap infrastructure that exists everywhere.
:yup:
80km/h might be ok, but some of the roads around, one little mistake = serious crash, and humans aren’t perfect.:shiner:

An "accident" is a combination of many many factors. In most cases, speed is not the primary factor; it's more like a rough road, no lighting, no sealed shoulder, negative camber corner, slippery surface, inexperience, etc. It’s negligence from the government who are responsible and accountable.

Speed cameras should be banned. But there’s no way they are going away no matter who you vote for. And what about a massive public infrastructure project aka Roosevelt? Not likely!

More lives will be lost :bawl: and more fines will be paid :flip2: When something real could be done about it.:toetap:

It’s like Rome when it was collapsing – the games and TAX continued, while the place fell apart around them. All smoke and mirrors :flipoff:

:soap: :soap: :soap: :soap: :soap:

genIIIss2002

01-12-2006, 03:37 PM

But if you were caught speeding the first time by a marked car and issued a ticket ,I am sure that you would not have got your second one. My point is, that it is no good getting three or four tickets in the mail ,three or four weeks later after the event.............Cheers John
A friend was moving to another house, he used his ute for smaller furniture and other little things. He went forwards and backwards a few times, few weeks later he got two fines. Both were ridiculous 4 and 6 kms over. A cop would have either let him off especially if he wasnt speeding constantly or he would have gotten one fine.

Me travelling to Echuca for a camping trip with friends, I saw the camera from meters away, I was doing 60 in a 60 zone, I got flashed, and I couldnt believe it, thought someone else for sure. Few weeks later a fine arrived for 3kms over, 1 point and $120 (I think). How accurate was my ford and how accurate was the speeding camera?

SSBarney

01-12-2006, 08:36 PM

An "accident" is a combination of many many factors. In most cases, speed is not the primary factor; it's more like a rough road, no lighting, no sealed shoulder, negative camber corner, slippery surface, inexperience, etc. It’s negligence from the government who are responsible and accountable.
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So as an experienced driver u come across one of this sh*t roads, its rough, no lighting, no sealed shoulder, negative camber and slippery,............
............what is something you could do to ensure you get through that corner safely?