klm on delivery

[calais v]

A friend of mine has rejected delivery of a new Toyota based on 70 k been on the odometer. Is this considered unreasonable ? What would you consider normal for klm on a new car ??

[Holden Man]

What could go wrong / wear out in just 70klm of driving a brand new car !
(unless they did a 70klm burnout I spose :burnout:)

But it's his money, so good on him for sticking to his guns.

You sure he didn't just reject it because it was a Toyota.

[RED R8]

Anything under 100ks I would consider fair at the end of the day 70k's is a days driving I wouldnt be too fust.

[jaykay]

I've asked the question before and the answer back was that Holden do random drive tests of new cars before they go to dealers. This can be anywhere up to 100km on the odometer so I wouldn't worry with 70km. The dealer may have used it as a new "demo".

I would assume Toyota would have a similar quality control system...

My SSV was a swap deal with a country dealer and it had one drive and the odometer was on 36 when I took delivery...:toetap:

[C4B]

A friend of mine has rejected delivery of a new Toyota based on 70 k been on the odometer. Is this considered unreasonable ? What would you consider normal for klm on a new car ??

I would say that 70 is getting on the higher side (but certainly not enough to reject delivery), if he found other issues with the vehicle and just used that as the "official" excuse I'd say good on him, but if he rejected it solely on that many k's I'd say he's probably a bit :doh:

[Ghia351]

I've asked the question before and the answer back was that Holden do random drive tests of new cars before they go to dealers. This can be anywhere up to 100km on the odometer so I wouldn't worry with 70km. The dealer may have used it as a new "demo".

I would assume Toyota would have a similar quality control system...

My SSV was a swap deal with a country dealer and it had one drive and the odometer was on 36 when I took delivery...:toetap:
Does the Holden factory place a sticker on the car to explain exactly such a thing if the car has more then normal delivery km as this would clear the dealer of using the car as a "demo". I know Ford do.

[Stevotski]

A friend of mine has rejected delivery of a new Toyota based on 70 k been on the odometer. Is this considered unreasonable ? What would you consider normal for klm on a new car ??

it depends - if I ordered a car that had to be made for me (due to options etc) then i would expect no more than 10km, but if it has been in the yard then it has probably had a few test drives so up to say 80-90km then

[pltrs]

speaking of toyota,

i purchased a new hilux work mate ute few years back and picked it up with 66k's on the clock,

dealers excuse was they drive all new vehicles to a weigh bridge before they do the rego and it was driven to the place where they fit the tray to it.

it sounded sus but it wasnt worth arguing with the guy over a few k's, i needed a work ute pretty quick.

[ssgirl2]

A friend of mine has rejected delivery of a new Toyota based on 70 k been on the odometer. Is this considered unreasonable ? What would you consider normal for klm on a new car ??


I would say it's fairly high but...if the vehicle needed extras/accessories fitted (eg: tinting, bars, lights all that stuff) the k's could get up a bit because the fitters don't always come to the car. If this is the case in this situation, I think he could accept delivery without a worry (after he does the maths).

If on the other hand it's had everything done in-house, I may not accept delivery because they could have used the vehicle as a demo for one or two drives...but unless they admit it, he'll never know.

Maybe the truck carrying the car could have broken down and the car had to be driven to get it to a safe area. Anything could have happened, but he deserves the TRUTH.

SS :)

Am I making sense or am I waffling?

[Holden Man]

Am I making sense or am I waffling?


mmmmmm.....waffles...:drool:

[cosmo vyss]

I took delivery of my vyss with 119klms on it. I questioned holden customer service about it and they said anything up to 500klm is considered exceptable delivery k's.
In most cases its just the dealer running it up to aftermarket places for window tint, wheels, paint protection etc.
Still for a new car i would expect no more then fifty clicks.
Needless to say i was pissed off.
JB

[VZSS250]

70km is certainly too high and your friend was completely justified in rejecting it.

I say this because 1 kilometre driven by dealership staff is the same as 200km in the owner's hands. They'll scratch your paint, your leather, and anything else that is capable of being scratched or otherwise damaged.

To them its just another car, and in 70km of driving they treat it like you would treat a Datsun 120Y.

[APCLB]

I took delivery of my vyss with 119klms on it. I questioned holden customer service about it and they said anything up to 500klm is considered exceptable delivery k's.
In most cases its just the dealer running it up to aftermarket places for window tint, wheels, paint protection etc.
Still for a new car i would expect no more then fifty clicks.
Needless to say i was pissed off.
JB

I was under the assumption that new cars are to be tilt tray'd around for fitting of extra's etc?
119km's is abit high,I'd be rocking the boat over it too.And who in their right mind would accept a new car with up to 500km's on it,I sure as sh!t wouldn't!
Pfft,customer service............:toetap:

[Covert]

speaking of toyota,

i purchased a new hilux work mate ute few years back and picked it up with 66k's on the clock,

dealers excuse was they drive all new vehicles to a weigh bridge before they do the rego and it was driven to the place where they fit the tray to it.

it sounded sus but it wasnt worth arguing with the guy over a few k's, i needed a work ute pretty quick.

Nothing sus there. Cab/Chassis vehicles fitted with an aftermarket tray have to be weighed before rego can be established in NSW.

[ssgirl2]

Just to add another 2c's to my "waffles" (mmmmmmm :lol:)...

From my experience dealers are not allowed to use new vehicles that are allocated "for sale" or "ordered by customer" as Demonstrators (not even to take around the block with a customer driving). Of course what they are not allowed to do and what they do are two totally different things.

Dealers must allocate their demo stock and register them accordingly, prior to using them as a demonstrator (they get allowances from the manufacturers for these vehicles).

PS... The only time that car should be fitted with a trade plate is when the transporter delivers the vehicle and has to drive it on the road for a bit, if it needs petrol (ie: the dealer doesn't have a pump or it's broken) or the demo or "sold" new car is still unregistered and the dealer is fitting aftermarket products to move things along faster.

More waffles anyone? :)

SS :)

[ute469]

My ute had 20k's on it, 8 when i test drove it 12 extra after test drive and getting windows tinted, the ute had also been in the yard for abut 3 mths before i looked at it

[Ricky]

I was under the assumption that new cars are to be tilt tray'd around for fitting of extra's etc?

Not in SA, all new and used vechicles are driven to and from the place where the extra's are being fitted. I know this as my partner works for a company that does it for Metro etc in Adelaide.

[C4B]

Just to add another 2c's to my "waffles" (mmmmmmm :lol:)...

From my experience dealers are not allowed to use new vehicles that are allocated "for sale" or "ordered by customer" as Demonstrators (not even to take around the block with a customer driving). Of course what they are not allowed to do and what they do are two totally different things.

Dealers must allocate their demo stock and register them accordingly, prior to using them as a demonstrator (they get allowances from the manufacturers for these vehicles).

PS... The only time that car should be fitted with a trade plate is when the transporter delivers the vehicle and has to drive it on the road for a bit, if it needs petrol (ie: the dealer doesn't have a pump or it's broken) or the demo or "sold" new car is still unregistered and the dealer is fitting aftermarket products to move things along faster.

More waffles anyone? :)

SS :)

My missus never told me she had a sister! ;)

[ssgirl2]

I am your wife :rofl:

Please bring home some milk and bread and we'll talk...darling :toetap:

SS :)

[markone2]

PS... The only time that car should be fitted with a trade plate is when
SS :)


...you honestly forgot to pay up the rego on yer own car.:confused: ....your parked at the end of your driveway staring uncertainly at an out of date rego label .....the octane boost is pre-mixed / MT's are fitted .....esky and helmet loaded on the back seat , and the main gate at Willowbank opens in one hour precisely..........:yup:



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[C4B]

I am your wife :rofl:

Please bring home some milk and bread and we'll talk...darling :toetap:

SS :)

Can't sweety, I flew to Brisbane this morning with work.... Sorry I must have forgotten to tell you. (That communication thing again!)

[RED R8]

Can't sweety, I flew to Brisbane this morning with work.... Sorry I must have forgotten to tell you. (That communication thing again!)
C4B is in Brisbane with me now so let him be he is my bitch now.:yup:

[ssgirl2]

Can't sweety, I flew to Brisbane this morning with work.... Sorry I must have forgotten to tell you. (That communication thing again!)

Yes you did forget to tell me you &^%$. And by the way, I just found your mobile phone and there's a text message from Amanda. Apparently she can't make it tonight, but she'll be there early tomorrow morning. As for your precious car... don't take too long to get home now DARLING.

[Tron2004]

I took delivery of my vyss with 119klms on it. I questioned holden customer service about it and they said anything up to 500klm is considered exceptable delivery k's.
In most cases its just the dealer running it up to aftermarket places for window tint, wheels, paint protection etc.
Still for a new car i would expect no more then fifty clicks.
Needless to say i was pissed off.
JB
70ks would be about the upper limit but 119ks...???
FARK, you have to be kidding.
I certainly wouldn't be happy about that AND I'd certainly be letting the dealer know I wasn't happy!!
My SV8 had 32ks when I picked it up and that was after tint, paint and rust prot.

I'd be most concerned about engine run in (and the procedures thereof) if my brand new car had 119ks on the clock.

[C4B]

Yes you did forget to tell me you &^%$. And by the way, I just found your mobile phone and there's a text message from Amanda. Apparently she can't make it tonight, but she'll be there early tomorrow morning. As for your precious car... don't take too long to get home now DARLING.

It's not what you think sweety :( ..... Now just step away from the car with the angle grinder.....

Note to Self: Wholly shit, I'm married to an older woman!:dancenana:

I don't suppose the "ss" in ssgirl2 stands for "Sandra Sully" by any chance?

[CalaisRider]

What could go wrong / wear out in just 70klm of driving a brand new car !
(unless they did a 70klm burnout I spose :burnout:)

But it's his money, so good on him for sticking to his guns.

You sure he didn't just reject it because it was a Toyota.

If my dealer had done a proper pre-delivery service I would not have had the grief such I did. 70 k on a new car - who cares!!!! Just get it right in the first place - at least take it for a test drive; which has to add ks regardless:soap:

[mustanger]

I know a guy who was after a truck and the only place they had one was in Brisbane. He said that`s ok I will take it . How do you think the dealer got it from Brisbane to Melbourne?..............They drove it down ,didn`t they.

The first my mate knew about it ,was when the truck arrived it had a broken windscreen. So he asked the guy repairing it ,"What happened", and the guy replied "Just a chipped windscreen whilst being driven down on the Hume Hwy"from Brisbane.

Well my mate went right off, and all the dealer staff went running for cover.In the end it was all sorted out and they offered him some accessories,etc , but he was NOT happy............ Cheers John

[StevieD]

I took delivery of my vyss with 119klms on it. I questioned holden customer service about it and they said anything up to 500klm is considered exceptable delivery k's.
In most cases its just the dealer running it up to aftermarket places for window tint, wheels, paint protection etc.
Still for a new car i would expect no more then fifty clicks.
Needless to say i was pissed off.
JB

Up to 500 kays! That's almost ready for the first service :lol:

[ssgirl2]

Mustanger, I don't think NOT happy covers it!!! That is just, just, just...:cussing:

SS :)

[mustanger]

Mustanger, I don't think NOT happy covers it!!! That is just, just, just...:cussing:

SS :)

I totally agree, but he had to have it otherwise it would have been a three month wait for a factory order. He ended up getting a bullbar ,driving lights and few other extras thrown in.....it was a few grands worth in total.

[Janus]

I was just about to ask this question as I went to the dealership to find out about the status of my Calais V this afternoon and the dealer said that my car was at HSVi getting the sat nav fitted and that it would be the first one with that they got in and he was planning to use it to demo the unit to other people whilst they got the car ready.

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.

[BLQWN]

My CV8-Z had 17kms and my GTO had 11kms....and thats in W.A.
I wouldn't accept a new car with more than 25kms on it, it's supposed to be NEW, both times I asked what k's where on the cars before I even talked price, but thats just me....

[CalaisRider]

It's not what you think sweety :( ..... Now just step away from the car with the angle grinder.....

Note to Self: Wholly shit, I'm married to an older woman!:dancenana:

I don't suppose the "ss" in ssgirl2 stands for "Sandra Sully" by any chance?

What are you talkkin about. The guy asked a simple and realistic question:fewl: No need to be a smartass in this forum!!

[BLQWN]

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.

I hope you told them that.

[mustanger]

I am with CV8ZED, just tell them that you won`t be happy ,and if there are excess klms on there you want to be compensated:(

[ssgirl2]

I was just about to ask this question as I went to the dealership to find out about the status of my Calais V this afternoon and the dealer said that my car was at HSVi getting the sat nav fitted and that it would be the first one with that they got in and he was planning to use it to demo the unit to other people whilst they got the car ready.

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.

What did you tell him?

SS :)


What are you talkkin about. The guy asked a simple and realistic question:fewl: No need to be a smartass in this forum!!

WHAT THE?:confused:

[CalaisRider]

I was just about to ask this question as I went to the dealership to find out about the status of my Calais V this afternoon and the dealer said that my car was at HSVi getting the sat nav fitted and that it would be the first one with that they got in and he was planning to use it to demo the unit to other people whilst they got the car ready.

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.

Holy shit you got a factory sat nav already fitted to your VE - now thats new!!! Mate I'm phoning them in the mornin, I have been hangin out for one for sooooo long!!!! They are a great aid:yup:

[Wonky]

My VY SV8 had 53km on it when I got it because it had to be driven from Berwick to Clayton to have HBD fit their body kit and my VZ SS had 9km on it. I would not be at all impressed to have unaccounted for mileage on my SS-V when I pick it up!! :vpo:

[jona]

my old man picked up his new ve ss the other day. 50 odd kms on it because they drove it to get tint. I said if it was my car i would be demanding a new one. U pay $50 k for a new car only to have some holden punk drive "thrash" it 20 clicks up the road to get it tinted

BS if u ask me

[Frenchy VX SS]

I bought a 'brand new' 00 lancer coupe (i know, i was 20 and they were some what cool back then and cheap to run) and found it had 190km when i picked it up. As i had signed for it and not stated what km's i wanted i was given the 'bosses' demo car.....as if a boss at a major mitubishi dealership drives a lancer coupe :flipoff:

Since then i have 'demanded' that the car has no more than 10km.
Why?
Because im paying for a BRAND NEW CAR. Not one that someone has driven/thrashed/farted in etc.
70km is pretty high IMHO. Above that is just stupid. ALOT of big dealerships are relatively close to major industrial areas, and most tint etc companies are in the same area...makes sence.

I picked up my SS with 9km on it. Thats after it had tint,rust proofing, scotch guard and paint protection etc done. (yes i know, people say all that stuff is crap, but with my job, i dont have time to drop it off to get done elsewhere or do it myself...no flaming please )

[C4B]

What are you talkkin about. The guy asked a simple and realistic question:fewl: No need to be a smartass in this forum!!

Do yourself a favour and read the relevant posts before you shoot your mouth off. (Particularly when you've been a member for all of 5 minutes) :stupid:

Hint: Read the stuff that "ssgirl2" wrote. That might give you some understand of what I "talk-kin" about......

[chopsy]

I went to a large Sydney Holden dealer to test drive a VE, and the dealer wanted me to test drive a manual. Apparently the auto I wanted to test already had 'a few too many kms on it, and if we keep test driving it we won't be able to sell it as new'. Needless to say I walked out and bought elsewhere.

I've since bought a new SS-V from someone else. I was originally getting one from the factory, but the dealer managed to find one to the same specs and so I was able to get it quicker. I asked the dealer how many kms it had on it, and he said only 10-15. I was pleasantly surprised.

Unfortunately a month later, I haven't got the damn thing yet. It was being transported from QLD to NT, and the damn transport company managed to rip the front bar off trying to get it on the truck. It's sitting in a smash repair shop waiting for a new front bar at the moment. I'm guessing that after passing through the hands of a couple of different truck drivers and a smash repair shop, I might get it with a few more kms than I was expecting.

In normal circumstances, I'd be seriosuly considering refusing to take delivery, but to make the nightmare even worse, the Holden dealer has since gone into liquidation, so I reckon I'm best to take what I can!

[Carrots]

I was just about to ask this question as I went to the dealership to find out about the status of my Calais V this afternoon and the dealer said that my car was at HSVi getting the sat nav fitted and that it would be the first one with that they got in and he was planning to use it to demo the unit to other people whilst they got the car ready.

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.
Which "location" was that dealership? The boss and I picked up a new commode from a dealership this arvo and he wasn't even happy about the 11.5km on it. Yes it was bought as a demo (however when I went looking for the new car I wasn't fussed about cost as I knew what I wanted etc), but was told it would not be nor had been used as a demo. Few light marks on the door made for some interesting questions. Perhaps I'm sadistic but I like seeing the salesman squirm! he he he

So my verdict 10-15kms would be fair.

[huggies]

Unfortunately a month later, I haven't got the damn thing yet. It was being transported from QLD to NT, and the damn transport company managed to rip the front bar off trying to get it on the truck. It's sitting in a smash repair shop waiting for a new front bar at the moment. I'm guessing that after passing through the hands of a couple of different truck drivers and a smash repair shop
dude i wouldn't be accepting that car :(.

and with regards to how many k's on a car who knows?,theres nothing stopping the dealers reseting the odometer before it reaches 100 kilometers
what about threads from the past where people have been asked to pull over to the side of the road and the test drive has been stopped so the odometer doesen't go over 100 kilometers:flipoff:

[Wonky]

what about threads from the past where people have been asked to pull over to the side of the road and the test drive has been stopped so the odometer doesen't go over 100 kilometers:flipoff:

Have never read of that before but good point!!

[Janus]

Holy shit you got a factory sat nav already fitted to your VE - now thats new!!! Mate I'm phoning them in the mornin, I have been hangin out for one for sooooo long!!!! They are a great aid:yup:

That is exactly what I thought. He showed me the status sheet which said that the car was at HSVi being fitted out and he said that this was the sat nav. Although personally I think it is more likely to be the alloy pedals I have ordered rather then the sat nav as nobody else seems to be getting it anytime soon. People are saying early next year at best.


Which "location" was that dealership?

It was Claridge Holden in Adelaide. He said that they were getting another one soon after as a demo but wanted to show people the full working unit as they have had lots of people interested in it but not wanting to order until they knew what they were getting.


What did you tell him?

I said that I would prefer the car to be delivered ASAP after it was dropped off as I already wasn't happy about the 3 month wait. And I will be going over everything very carefully before accepting delivery.

Plus there is the fact they have gone from one extreme to the other. The only call I have had in 3 months was to ask what kind of sat nav I wanted as they wanted to charge me $3500 for the full unit. I told them I wanted the full colour one, but only if it was the $1990 on the site, not the $3500 they were trying to charge me, which is the price for the old unit where they had to fit an extra display. The dealer said that they would be getting the prices in early November and would call the confirm before finalising the order. So I go in today to complain about the wait and am told that not only did they never call to confirm the price but they have gone ahead and ordered it and it is, supposedly, being fitted at the moment. Lucky I still want it.

[CalaisRider]

Do yourself a favour and read the relevant posts before you shoot your mouth off. (Particularly when you've been a member for all of 5 minutes) :stupid:

Hint: Read the stuff that "ssgirl2" wrote. That might give you some understand of what I "talk-kin" about......

Ok... "My sincere appologies" to all. I misunderstood.

[tlr1000]

Holden do random drive tests of new cars before they go to dealers. [/QUOTE]

Picked up my ssv today with 80 kms on it, the salesman told me the same, also said a few ve's have been coming in with high test kms.

[Frenchy VX SS]

Holden do random drive tests of new cars before they go to dealers.

After speakin to a mate who used to work for holden, he said that all 'test' k's done before going to dealerships were done before the odometer is connected. This is the reason your car doesnt actually need running in.

However at a dealership.....
Random drive tests =
salesman - "hey boss, can i drive that SS home that came in today , theres only a barina out front."
boss - "yeah, just be ****ing careful with it, we dont need more of em going to panel and paint division"
salesman "swoit!"

I used to work for a ford dealer and if there were no demo cars available to take home, they would take a new customers car from PD so they had something nice to drive.

Now, would you let some random person just drive your new pride and joy even if you knew they could repair it for free if they damaged it?

[NRD80Y]

Picked up my SS-V with only 11kms on it. The missus expected a new car to come with 0kms :lol:

[dogsballs]

dude i wouldn't be accepting that car :(.

and with regards to how many k's on a car who knows?,theres nothing stopping the dealers reseting the odometer before it reaches 100 kilometers


i was about to say the same thing! meh 70km's, please i'd guess the same guy collects tax reciepts if has does 50c of photocopying at the local servo as well. :shiner:

[Pickles]

The GTO had 15klms on the clock when we picked it, & was in good shape.
Cheers, Pickles.

[chillicatqld]

i was under the impression (told by someone in the industry) that they can reset the odometer whilst it is under 100klms... and I think it can be done numerous times!

[BarneyG]

A friend of mine has rejected delivery of a new Toyota based on 70 k been on the odometer. Is this considered unreasonable ? What would you consider normal for klm on a new car ??

Good on him for rejecting it, they cant honestly say that there window tinter or extra's installer is about 30klms away from the dealership:toetap: . I wouldn't expect anymore that 50klm.

I bet ya they just put the odometer back to 0 and then give it back to him.:yup:

[Avalanche]

My avalanche had around 19 km on it. I looked in the leather bound folder we got with it & it has a sheet that is checked & signed off at hsv. It read 8km on the odo after they did all their testing. So some one was fanging around a bit. Especially when tinting is done in house. Maybe thats why it doesnt use oil. They ran it in hard for me.

[GTS215i]

When my uncle originally bought the GTS off HSV, he came back a week later to pick it up and found that 3000ks had been clocked up which incidentally included the 'Bathurst' weekend and the car being held at the time at HRT hq :burnout: . Wasn't a new vehicle but unless you state the k's you want before the contract is signed you have little ground to stand on.

[ssgirl2]

Ok... "My sincere appologies" to all. I misunderstood.

Apologeeeeeeeeeees accepted sir :) (Did you see my "WTF post"? - you had me most confused that I nearly :bawl: )

SS :)


After speakin to a mate who used to work for holden, he said that all 'test' k's done before going to dealerships were done before the odometer is connected. This is the reason your car doesnt actually need running in.

However at a dealership.....
Random drive tests =
salesman - "hey boss, can i drive that SS home that came in today , theres only a barina out front."
boss - "yeah, just be ****ing careful with it, we dont need more of em going to panel and paint division"
salesman "swoit!"

I used to work for a ford dealer and if there were no demo cars available to take home, they would take a new customers car from PD so they had something nice to drive.

Now, would you let some random person just drive your new pride and joy even if you knew they could repair it for free if they damaged it?

I'm with you :yup:, but not 100% with you on the taking home new customers cars from PD so they had something nice to drive. In my experience that never happened, they just took something nice off the used car lot:)

SS :)

[C4B]

i was under the impression (told by someone in the industry) that they can reset the odometer whilst it is under 100klms... and I think it can be done numerous times!

There was a big furore in the news up here a couple of years back about Armstrong holden doing just that.

They used to be able to do it with Tech2, but I believe that feature has been removed since what happened.

[V8torana]

I think it's a tad high.
My ute had 12km on it when I collected it.
My partner's Mazda 3 had 7 km and that was shipped in from Japan, Had tints done (not at dealership) and a few cosmetic changes.

my 2c

[mickeyVX350]

Ex's VZ's had 25 and 27K

[Vulture]

I took delivery of my vyss with 119klms on it. I questioned holden customer service about it and they said anything up to 500klm is considered exceptable delivery k's.
JB

Acceptable to whom?

500km! :flipoff: I'd be telling them where to shove that 'brand new' car...
:toetap: I think next time I buy a new car I will have something about max Km written into the contract. No way would 500Km be reasonable.

[Frenchy VX SS]

Apologeeeeeeeeeees accepted sir :) (Did you see my "WTF post"? - you had me most confused that I nearly :bawl: )

SS :)



I'm with you :yup:, but not 100% with you on the taking home new customers cars from PD so they had something nice to drive. In my experience that never happened, they just took something nice off the used car lot:)

SS :)


Honestly, this is what they new car sales man did. They didnt drive the second hand cars and the used car sales manager wouldnt let the new car guys drive them.
Weird i know, but at the end of the day i was just the detailer so i had no say in it :yup:

[CalaisRider]

[QUOTE=ssgirl2;780447]Apologeeeeeeeeeees accepted sir :) (Did you see my "WTF post"? - you had me most confused that I nearly :bawl: )

SS :)




I think I get the hint SSgirl - I'm layin low for a while and just becoming primarily a reader (tough ask, but hey!!).:shiner:

[mustanger]

[QUOTE=ssgirl2;780447]Apologeeeeeeeeeees accepted sir :) (Did you see my "WTF post"? - you had me most confused that I nearly :bawl: )

SS :)




I think I get the hint SSgirl - I'm layin low for a while and just becoming primarily a reader (tough ask, but hey!!).:shiner:

You have apologized and it has been accepted,so don`t worry about laying low and post some threads.:hide:

[seldo]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car. If you had any idea of where your car has been you'd be dumb-founded. For a start, it all depends where you live compared with where the car was produced. Did it come direct to your selling dealer or was it first delivered to the dealer in Darwin who swapped it with the dealer in Sydney who swapped it with the dealer in Bathurst who swapped it with the dealer in Adelaide who had chased all around the country because he had a whinging client demanding early delivery on exactly that specification car and they'd only made 3 in that exact specification so far....
Then you want after-market tint, and special stereo, and tow-bar , and burglar-alarm, and Ming treatment, and in a smaller city it has to be physically driven to the DMT for rego. And you actually want them to do a proper Pre-delivery service and drive it to check for problems, rattles etc and then drive it again to see they fixed that annoying little rattle or to see that wheel alignment or balance is now ok..... And if it's not.....Won't you squeal and rant on here....!!! Get a life and learn to deal with the real world.

[GHZ28]

Oh and don't forget the closer, Tech 2 can reset to zero any holden odometer that has less than 100 km on it. So, they can run up 99 as many times as they like and reset to zero.......remember Armstrongs getting lots of publicity over that one.....

gh

[planetdavo]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car. If you had any idea of where your car has been you'd be dumb-founded. For a start, it all depends where you live compared with where the car was produced. Did it come direct to your selling dealer or was it first delivered to the dealer in Darwin who swapped it with the dealer in Sydney who swapped it with the dealer in Bathurst who swapped it with the dealer in Adelaide who had chased all around the country because he had a whinging client demanding early delivery on exactly that specification car and they'd only made 3 in that exact specification so far....
Then you want after-market tint, and special stereo, and tow-bar , and burglar-alarm, and Ming treatment, and in a smaller city it has to be physically driven to the DMT for rego. And you actually want them to do a proper Pre-delivery service and drive it to check for problems, rattles etc and then drive it again to see they fixed that annoying little rattle or to see that wheel alignment or balance is now ok..... And if it's not.....Won't you squeal and rant on here....!!! Get a life and learn to deal with the real world.
Good on you Seldo. Again there's loads of reality in your response. Also add the factory driveline tests, water tests and all those other beautiful colour sticker tests that get slapped on the right hand rear window of new Holdens before delivery.
Some people on forums just keep finding new ways to keep complaining about dealers...!!!!!!!


Oh and don't forget the closer, Tech 2 can reset to zero any holden odometer that has less than 100 km on it. So, they can run up 99 as many times as they like and reset to zero.......remember Armstrongs getting lots of publicity over that one.....
gh
The problem with this theory though is that the reset leaves an electronic "tag" that identifies the dealer after ANY reset....

[Tron2004]

Do yourself a favour and read the relevant posts before you shoot your mouth off. (Particularly when you've been a member for all of 5 minutes) :stupid:

Hint: Read the stuff that "ssgirl2" wrote. That might give you some understand of what I "talk-kin" about......
Yup... was thinking along the same lines here too.

[Vulture]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car.

Yeah but 500Km?

[seldo]

Yeah but 500Km?
500km is not acceptable...I agree..there would need to be a suitable financial compensation, depending on where the the dealer was ....eg Whoop Whoop...
But who's ever been expected to accept it anyway....unless you are a goose...

[cashie]

Holden do random drive tests of new cars before they go to dealers.

Picked up my ssv today with 80 kms on it, the salesman told me the same, also said a few ve's have been coming in with high test kms.

If that's the case there has to be a note from Holden stating your car was used for QA testing at the factory. If this note is not there the Dealer may have been using you car as a demo (pretty common when cars are in demand, as it is now).

[Black AH CDX]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car. If you had any idea of where your car has been you'd be dumb-founded. For a start, it all depends where you live compared with where the car was produced. Did it come direct to your selling dealer or was it first delivered to the dealer in Darwin who swapped it with the dealer in Sydney who swapped it with the dealer in Bathurst who swapped it with the dealer in Adelaide who had chased all around the country because he had a whinging client demanding early delivery on exactly that specification car and they'd only made 3 in that exact specification so far....
Then you want after-market tint, and special stereo, and tow-bar , and burglar-alarm, and Ming treatment, and in a smaller city it has to be physically driven to the DMT for rego. And you actually want them to do a proper Pre-delivery service and drive it to check for problems, rattles etc and then drive it again to see they fixed that annoying little rattle or to see that wheel alignment or balance is now ok..... And if it's not.....Won't you squeal and rant on here....!!! Get a life and learn to deal with the real world.


Finally someone with some sense about them:bravo:

[Hados]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car. If you had any idea of where your car has been you'd be dumb-founded. For a start, it all depends where you live compared with where the car was produced. Did it come direct to your selling dealer or was it first delivered to the dealer in Darwin who swapped it with the dealer in Sydney who swapped it with the dealer in Bathurst who swapped it with the dealer in Adelaide who had chased all around the country because he had a whinging client demanding early delivery on exactly that specification car and they'd only made 3 in that exact specification so far....
Then you want after-market tint, and special stereo, and tow-bar , and burglar-alarm, and Ming treatment, and in a smaller city it has to be physically driven to the DMT for rego. And you actually want them to do a proper Pre-delivery service and drive it to check for problems, rattles etc and then drive it again to see they fixed that annoying little rattle or to see that wheel alignment or balance is now ok..... And if it's not.....Won't you squeal and rant on here....!!! Get a life and learn to deal with the real world.

:bravo: :bravo: Quite possibly the most sensible post in this thread. :bravo: :bravo:

[seedyrom]

I was just about to ask this question as I went to the dealership to find out about the status of my Calais V this afternoon and the dealer said that my car was at HSVi getting the sat nav fitted and that it would be the first one with that they got in and he was planning to use it to demo the unit to other people whilst they got the car ready.

Basically I would not be happy if I get my "new" car with a large number of kilometers on the clock because they have been driving it around to test and show off the sat nav.

Even if this happens Janus, I guess you should have some slight comfort in the knowledge that any GPS testing would be done at such a slow speed, cause they'd want it to look good.
To show off to a potential buyer how "quick" the system is to get back on track after a wrong turn, they'd be driving ultra slow to emphasise its apparent speed. ;)

[Frenchy VX SS]

I'm surprised at how many people here have totally unrealistic expectations as to what is acceptable mileage (kileage?) on a new car. If you had any idea of where your car has been you'd be dumb-founded. For a start, it all depends where you live compared with where the car was produced. Did it come direct to your selling dealer or was it first delivered to the dealer in Darwin who swapped it with the dealer in Sydney who swapped it with the dealer in Bathurst who swapped it with the dealer in Adelaide who had chased all around the country because he had a whinging client demanding early delivery on exactly that specification car and they'd only made 3 in that exact specification so far....
Then you want after-market tint, and special stereo, and tow-bar , and burglar-alarm, and Ming treatment, and in a smaller city it has to be physically driven to the DMT for rego. And you actually want them to do a proper Pre-delivery service and drive it to check for problems, rattles etc and then drive it again to see they fixed that annoying little rattle or to see that wheel alignment or balance is now ok..... And if it's not.....Won't you squeal and rant on here....!!! Get a life and learn to deal with the real world.

Fair points there for sure, but they are on rare occasions.

I think you will find that it comes down to people wanting some sort of control over such a large purchase. We arent talking about a $30 cd here, but something that will cost a person/family a large portion of their pay each month only to have purchased something that was not 'new' as such.
People work hard for their money or make sacrifices to own something they really want, and dont want to be jipped over it.
You cant criticise someone for wanting something as they have purchased it ie: brand new.
If you drive a car out of a dealership and rack up 300km...will you get the same money back for what you paid for it?
Most of the people on here have no probs with having the car prepared with few km's on it..... its the higher rate of km's or the use of the car to demo new products on the car to potential buyers that is the problem. If you restrict the salesman as to how many km's they can do on it before delivery, then you cover your ass.
Some people arent aware of that.

[seedyrom]

My wife's Ford was driven down from Newcastle to Sydney by the dealer principals Dad. :) Klosters Ford "The big one in Newcastle" apparently ... maybe they are big cause they keep things in-house :yup:

Unfortunately for him, she didn't leave her old car (which he was taking back up) with any fuel in it. And a bigger unfortunate for him, was that her old car was gas, and his fuel card only allowed regular unleaded.

Ahwell :D

[seldo]

Sure - I agree that it shouldn't be used as a demo and certainly not after it has been spoken-for. But at the same time, if you wander into a dealership and decide to buy that glamour sitting on the showroom floor, what it has done prior to that point is of no consequence - if it's done 70-80km and that may include a couple of demos - so be it. In fact almost everyone wants to drive the exact car before they buy it, including you. You are quite happy to drive the car that the dealer offers, but then are not happy that someone else does the same thing. It's not any different to buying a suit - 30 people may have tried it on before you walk out with your "new" suit - do you know or care? Or the love of your life - she may have had many "friends" before you but it only becomes an issue after you have taken possession....
The reality is that unless you order a car specifically to your specification, and insist that it is brand new stock straight from the factory - not from another dealer's stock who just happens to have the right spec vehicle, you are going to end up with a car that has done some small mileage.
Like I said - get over it - it's part of life, and there's absolutely no down-side unless you want be miserable over it..

[ssgirl2]

Yup... was thinking along the same lines here too.


Hey Tron2004,

CalaisRider has apologised (he didn't realise what was happening), those involved have accepted his apologies and it's over. Let it go already.

Now CalaisRider, get your bum back in here and get posting!!! :yup:

SS :)

[CalaisRider]

Hey Tron2004,

CalaisRider has apologised (he didn't realise what was happening), those involved have accepted his apologies and it's over. Let it go already.

Now CalaisRider, get your bum back in here and get posting!!! :yup:

SS :)

Thanks SS - appreciated:hide: :bravo:

[Berlina5.7]

Yeah, I wasn't fussed where my 60th Ann. ute came from, but the salesman (dealer principles son) actually insisted that I request one straight from the Elizabeth. After consulting Holden's, turns out all the 60th's had been built and were all sitting at dealers, waiting for sale(he seemed more disappointed than me! haha). So we just checked the national inventory for one in the colour and spec I was after. Nearest one was from metro holden. New car manager picked up while he was down the and drive it back, had 28kms when he arrived. After the PD checks and a trip to the servo it had 32kms on it. Big deal! Would have had 15km on it when it was picked up. And by the way it looked, it had been checked over by Metro's PD boys(5-10kms). Was PD'd again in case they missed something or was somehow damaged on their road test.

If it had satnav, then it would have had another 10-20kms from the calibration run!

You could go on and on, but at the end of the day its just a car, get out and enjoy it!!

[diabolic]

Picking up my ute tomorrow. 10km on the clock :)

Dan

[Brettly-2008]

I wonder how many times a 'brand new' LCD TV gets turned on and off before you buy it as new?

The thing is you'll never know about the factory-usage of most new items except cars due to the fact that only they can quantify their usage on the odo.

Being a brand new, expensive item, I'd be pissed with any more than 20km on the clock for any new car... run-in being the major issue in my mind. But is run-in as important as it once was?

[Grangey]

Most dealers take vehicles to other places for window tinting, rust proofing, and other accessories. Guess it depends how far away these places are..:confused:

[Oldmate83]

I used to work at a ford dealer about 5 years ago, and back then, kays on a new car could be reset, if under 100, and only done once. So often your 70 kays might be closer to 150 or so.

[Micks]

Most dealers take vehicles to other places for window tinting, rust proofing, and other accessories. Guess it depends how far away these places are..:confused:

Most dealers round here have mobile fitters for most if not they do it themselves. Reasonable delivery K's on a new vehicle would be under the 30 Km mark. Ive had a few & never had one over 50km's on the clock on delivery.

Cheers
VYT

[lowhsv]

we just bought a new hilux for the business, traded our old one in at 60,000ks signed the deal had to wait 22 unknown weeks for it (over half a year) plus we done 14,000kms in my old ute. and we scored the update model that came out due to taking so long....
we werent in no hurry anyway but it arrived with 14kms on the clock.
it wasnt an optioned up car just a white 4wd auto single cab hilux with alloy tray.
cheers

[WOMBIE]

I used to work at a ford dealer about 5 years ago, and back then, kays on a new car could be reset, if under 100, and only done once. So often your 70 kays might be closer to 150 or so.

Very good point....one which i would have never considered at the time when i purchased my ride.And I really couldn't have cared less at the time as i was too preoccupied by the fact that i was about to pick up and drive home my 1st new car......which for the record showed 25kms :)

[bonners]

When I picked up mine, they hadn't been able to fit the DVD player because apparently the fitter hadn't been told that there was a sunroof. I wanted the car staright away so they said bring it back in a week's time.

Took it in as arranged and they dropped in to work (Gabba to CBD). Was picked up again at 5ish and taken to the dealer only to find that the car was not there. I had never been informed it was leaving the dealer. Then 45 mins later, the car arrives with one of the younger salesman in it, coke bottle in hand. He steps out and gives me the keys and that's it.:vpo: The car had had to go down to Macgregor (about 15k's I guess) and came home in peak hour traffic. If I had had this done before delivery, I wouldn't have had to pay for fuel. I think at the end of the day, if you included this second trip in delivery k's, I'd be close to 70.

[VYSHSV8]

Mine had 19k's on it and 10 of those K's was my test drive,,, this was my VT that I am talking about... MY VY SV8 had 9 k's on it I think from when I picked it up...

[loudyeller]

Mine had 14 kms on it..Not sure if they drove it down from Pinkenba to Eagers at Newstead..Not too many kays there..But they washed it for me so not sure what happend..

[Teal]

Mine had 99km on the clock. Once it had been for tint, exhaust, tune. At least they gave me a full tank of fuel. :D

[Stokesy]

picked up my new ute yesterday .. 9km

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/48/l_bd2adb017fcb4f11a0fc2887e9588ca1.jpg

whats my prize? :P

[leahnscott]

my E series R8 had 30ish klms and i got it for demo price probably 10 of them was me driving it!!

[Ausmartin1]

we just bought a new hilux for the business, traded our old one in at 60,000ks signed the deal had to wait 22 unknown weeks for it (over half a year) plus we done 14,000kms in my old ute. and we scored the update model that came out due to taking so long....
we werent in no hurry anyway but it arrived with 14kms on the clock.
it wasnt an optioned up car just a white 4wd auto single cab hilux with alloy tray.
cheers

That's Intersting My Plain Jane Commodore had about the same. :)

It's funny how the HSV or SS ones in good looking trim always on average get driven more pre delivery, have their guts reved out in the dealers service bays - while a "group" of apprentises gather round.
Then when finally when on the road outside parked you see them keyed down the side :bawl: in carparks by some Jelouse twat that is ticked off as to how you dare afford one by working hard - Why they are busy taking illicit drugs while on our goverments life support system.
One could almost be synical!:rofl:

As long as the Km aren't to the panel beater pre delivery or from the apprentises thrash job - no dramas for me personely.

I like plain jane...... :) No dramas/hassles.
Boring yes, but everthing has it's price.

[bladerunner]

theres a ford dealership near my work, ive seen brand new fords, falcons mostly, get sideways out the driveway at the back entrance of this dealership and fishtail up the road, (the back entrance is what i see from work), trade plate swinging off the back bumper on its way to somewhere to get something done to it no doubt, ive watched BA'S thru to the current model get this rigourous road test, so there you go, it does happen
as for my ute, i was fortunate enough to see it come off the truck and pointed it out, took it for a drive, foam blocks and plastic wrap here and there still on it , 7kms when i took delivery

[NZSHAKER]

I brought a brand new nissan yrs ago...was living in Mt Isa first car new didn't really think about it, got the car with 14kms on it, was a little upset as didn't really know much about it, but yet we had to get the car from where ever to Mt Isa had the extras added like tint so to me really not bad....Not sure how many kms where on the astra when i brought it maybe 22 and then around 1 yr later traded it on the ute and it had 85000kms on her so really :)

i guess up to around 30 - 50lms should be ok depending on what extras you get and where they have to go to get them done.....


If you really picky about kms I guess go to a dealer ship that does all work in house :)

[VYBerlinaV8]

When I first saw the VY it had 13kms on the clock. I test drove it that day, and it was up to 31kms when I was done. Picked it up a week later, and still 31kms on the clock.

Still have it, and love it.

[Krizto]

I picked up my Astra with 18kms on the clock, will see what the SV6 has when I get it on Friday

[kieran]

My ute had 8kms on the clock. Salesman pointed this out quite proudly and said "see, theres only 8 kays on the clock so it is brand new". Of course its brand new, thats whaqt i paid for!!!!!!

[Kushy]

I had 7km on mine when I took delivery in August 09

[fledgling]

Took delivery of my Ute in June with 3km's. Salesman also proudly pointed this out. Being my first new car my grin just got even bigger seeing the 3.

[smokey777]

mine had 14ks on it but im pretty sure it was the ute they had inside the shop which had more than that on it, well under a 100 but more than 14

[Blown 540]

Took delivery of my Ute in June with 3km's. Salesman also proudly pointed this out. Being my first new car my grin just got even bigger seeing the 3.

3 is good,wouldnt get much lower than that,mine had 7 after Sonny drove it to Marrano's from the dealer.

[deeligan]

i done my apprenticship in a holden dealership and every new car gets a test drive as part of the pre-delivery and has to be driven to fuel station for fuel as they only come with enough fuel to be put on the truck and off the truck and to get fuel, so klm can vary as to what accessorys are fitted because every thing is not down in house

[eddiemonster]

Had 19km on my car thought it was way 2 high and was a bit upset but judging from the forum i didnt fair that badly
Cheers Eddie

[spanks]

Took delivery of my Ute in June with 3km's. Salesman also proudly pointed this out. Being my first new car my grin just got even bigger seeing the 3.

Think my SSV ute had only 3kms also.

But at work we recieve cars from Prix Car with an average of 12kms on them....thats before they get to the dealers.We would proberbly put another 1-2 kms on during pre-delivery and getting fuel.

[pmac]

i remember when my parents bought their new 3 series it had 126km on the clock seemed high but BMW said it was due to the shipping

[Boss Hogg]

My black SSV ute had 13km's on the clock!

[bluex]

Picked up replacement Calais-V (V8 of course!) today - 8km on clock
(great price too - under 56k)

[Haroc]

my Tourer had 101 km's on it, got some freebies out of it, tyres still had the knobs on them and it had been around the country a lil bit.