So if you could have ANY brakes you want...

[BIGDAO]

...on your Commodore, what would they be? Spare no expense. Also, roughly how much are the ones you want?

[jerrel]

i like the brakes on sonny's sv300

[nickh]

i just saw a set of brakes at sema which are 14 piston and are just HUGE... ill find it somewhere.. otherwise there is word that a local company is looking at doing bigger rotor in the 400plus size mm size...

(i also like sonnys brakes but thats just because they are CSC's:)

[JRY 88]

Disc

On the front at least.

[macca_779]

6 pot Harrops will do me fine. There are better packages around but I like the aussie gear.

[Souljah]

I'd have to go with the 6 spot harrops aswell.

[nathanvlturbo]

id go 6 spot brembo's

[VooDoo]

The 8 spot Alcom's are pretty damn nice. They stop a V8 Supercar ok :D

[pagey]

The 8 spot Alcom's are pretty damn nice. They stop a V8 Supercar ok :D

The Alcon's are even better :yup:

[macca_779]

The 8 spot Alcom's are pretty damn nice. They stop a V8 Supercar ok :D

Supercars run 6 pot calipers last time I checked

[Alex81]

i'd go the AP 8 piston 400mm rotors

[ShanghaiVZ]

I'd love a set like these :D
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/BlueVU/Bentley.jpg

[Bravotwozero]

:headbang:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/woteva_02/carbonCeramicDisc.jpg

[jona]

arnt there a new style of brake out there that use a seperate pad for each piston?

[planetdavo]

Might be stating the obvious, but if money was no object, wouldn't you be buying the best performing, quite probably about the most expensive setup that will fit inside your rims? Right now that would be carbon ceramic at about $20,000 plus.
Sorry, but I don't really see a real point to this thread.....

[OPPYLOCK]

Maybe something different like this:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?KEY=01/02226.010705
Read about them a couple of years ago and it seemed like a good idea as they claimed the system was 40% lighter and it comes off the unsprung mass.

[Capt.LS2]

That setup is very similar to what large transport aircraft incorporate ie: Boeing or Airbus. Of course they have multiple rotors and pads to pull up their weight!

[goofafidamedes]

I want the Ferrari FXX brakes for my '72 Fairlane.

They are bigger than the wheels.

[phunky_monkey]

I'll take some Carbon Ceramics off of the Carrera GT thanks!

Failing that, some 6 piston Harrops with 381mm rotors would do nicely :)

[seedyrom]

i just saw a set of brakes at sema which are 14 piston and are just HUGE... ill find it somewhere..

http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/volvo/005__scaled_600_017.jpg

I also know _____ (better not say as its hush hush - no not a member of this forum) is looking to start bringing in 12-spot calipers ... but these will be mainly targeted at the ricer market.

They are 2 x 6 pots in a big assed caliper

[Ryzz]

http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/volvo/005__scaled_600_017.jpg

That just looks wrong, imagine the heat build up by having half as much disc available to the air compared to normal. Also that would have to exceed your available grip pretty easily so would it not defeat the purpose?

[seedyrom]

Yeah, they know how to do show cars in America :p

http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/volvo/001__scaled_600_029.jpg

http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/volvo/006__scaled_600_012.jpg

[Brockfan05]

mmmmm, I'd have to be pretty happy with just a set of the E series brakes. They pull the HSV's up as good as some world class sports cars - that's good enuff for me :)

[INASNT]

mmmmm, I'd have to be pretty happy with just a set of the E series brakes. They pull the HSV's up as good as some world class sports cars - that's good enuff for me :)

They are so very different to the VE SS brakes, coz they SS ones are shite

[swmn]

...on your Commodore, what would they be? Spare no expense. Also, roughly how much are the ones you want?


Dublin Pontiac-GMC in Dublin, California has fitted a set of Corvette Z06 brakes to a 2006 GTO (HSV). The AP set is really nice, but big $ to import to the US. I suspect if you wanted Z06 brakes by the time you were done with import duties the AP setup would be looking cheap.

The Z06 setup is just under US$3,000 including install.

Here is a link that isn't a link with some pictures.

.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117395 , an especially decent pic on page two in thread, post 39.

Someday soon I'll have ten posts so I can post links and open a WTB thread in the classifieds...

[Brockfan05]

They are so very different to the VE SS brakes, coz they SS ones are shite

Are the SS brakes really that bad?? I must admit I have only gone on a cruisy test drive in one but the brakes felt miles better than any other holden I have driven (and I have driven nearly every model - hard!!), and they felt slightly better even than the 'performance brakes' on my Z series clubby.....

[INASNT]

Are the SS brakes really that bad?? I must admit I have only gone on a cruisy test drive in one but the brakes felt miles better than any other holden I have driven (and I have driven nearly every model - hard!!), and they felt slightly better even than the 'performance brakes' on my Z series clubby.....

This being the first holden I have owned I am basing the shite brake claim from all the Jap cars I have previously owned.

2 piston front calipers on such a heavy car is just to small

[duke5700]

the top bikkie harrop setup, ive only got the 343mm setup and it scares me.

[Brockfan05]

This being the first holden I have owned I am basing the shite brake claim from all the Jap cars I have previously owned.

2 piston front calipers on such a heavy car is just to small

I see what you mean now. I've owned an Evo 8 and a 2001 WRX and the brakes are miles better on both those cars compared to Holden.

[maloo25]

The big aussie Harrops will do me just fine:yup:

[dyno junkie]

The biggest that would fit under the factory CV8 series 1 wheels:-

Front - AP Racing 362mm x 32mm 6 piston.
Rear - AP Racing 343mm x 28mm4 piston.

Supplied with calipers finished in red, mounting brackets, slotted rotors, braided stainless steel lines and AP Racing Dot 5.1 fluid - RRP approximately $7,000.00 plus fitting.

Brakes are vastly improved over factory offerings.:yup: :yup:

[Darkrayne]

Harrops finest 6 piston calipers with the 64 odd multi directional slotted rotors! :D 10ks worth??

[gollum]

I've had a hankering for the Harrop brakes like on NICKS coupe 4,....then i saw these !!
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h221/ssute57l/dash%20leds/aa/DSC00049.jpg ( ssute57l ) by sonny.....not sure wot the hell to do now !!! cost them up i guess

[INASNT]

I see what you mean now. I've owned an Evo 8 and a 2001 WRX and the brakes are miles better on both those cars compared to Holden.

I am looking for some nice 4 piston front calliper with slotted rotors upgrades to my VE SS. Not worried about the back as the fronts do most of the work.

Is there any 4 piston kits out yet for the VE SS?

[dyno junkie]

I've had a hankering for the Harrop brakes like on NICKS coupe 4,....then i saw these !!
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h221/ssute57l/dash%20leds/aa/DSC00049.jpg ( ssute57l ) by sonny.....not sure wot the hell to do now !!! cost them up i guess

These are what I refered to in post # 31

[Red CV8 R]

The biggest that would fit under the factory CV8 series 1 wheels:-

Front - AP Racing 362mm x 32mm 6 piston.
Rear - AP Racing 343mm x 28mm4 piston.

Supplied with calipers finished in red, mounting brackets, slotted rotors, braided stainless steel lines and AP Racing Dot 5.1 fluid - RRP approximately $7,000.00 plus fitting.

Brakes are vastly improved over factory offerings.:yup: :yup:

This would be my choice too except with the Black Calipers.

[NickS]

I'd stick with the ones I've got ...

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/NickS/DSC02263.JPG

:bounce:

[Brockfan05]

Nice :yup:

[LSavvy]

I've had a hankering for the Harrop brakes like on NICKS coupe 4,....then i saw these !!
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h221/ssute57l/dash%20leds/aa/DSC00049.jpg ( ssute57l ) by sonny.....not sure wot the hell to do now !!! cost them up i guess

They are my brakes:yup: , if you want good brakes, spend about $4k on 4 piston all round like AP Racing/Harrop both good for the $$$'s (should be standard on these cars)
If however you require better brakes that you could push much further, your going to have to spend about $7k+ 6 piston front, 2 peice rotors etc.

Not much difference in quality between AP Racing and Harrops, look also for Brembo, Alcon. I found that i could not find a rear kit for the Brembo setup when i was looking around,


If you require more info on the above AP setup pm me.

[strife]

had the big harrops on the grange would go again

[Hammer]

...on your Commodore, what would they be? Spare no expense. Also, roughly how much are the ones you want?


CSC 390 mm 6 spot front and rear :) if you could do it

[Maniac777]

Harrop 4 pots would do me nicely :)

[Holden Nut]

Some of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4LZJkvrwU

[cossmo]

I would have the carbon fibre discs that are an option on the Ferrari F430 - they are a $30,000 option.

[dyno junkie]

I'd stick with the ones I've got ...

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/NickS/DSC02263.JPG

:bounce:

Yeh! I like these!

Unfortunately wouldn't fit under factory rims, and didn't want to change them.

[phunky_monkey]

I would have the carbon fibre discs that are an option on the Ferrari F430 - they are a $30,000 option.

Are you sure you don't mean Carbon Ceramic??

[INASNT]

Yes its carbon ceramic, as theres no such thing as carbon fibre brakes.

The carbon ceramic brakes on the bugatti veyrom are 8 piston fronts with 440mm front rotors. They are some serious brakes as they say it brakes better than it accelerates.

[Brockfan05]

It would want to - that bugatti is scary-fast!!!!

[maloo_]

Are you sure you don't mean Carbon Ceramic??

A friend of a friend brought Ferrari 612 and got the Carbon ceramic brakes, F1 shift and titanium exhaust added on at a cost of 80k

[phunky_monkey]

Ouch.... as if you're not paying enough already!

[jerrel]

Some of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4LZJkvrwU

HOLY CRAP!!!!

[LSS7]

The biggest that would fit under the factory CV8 series 1 wheels:-

Front - AP Racing 362mm x 32mm 6 piston.
Rear - AP Racing 343mm x 28mm4 piston.

Supplied with calipers finished in red, mounting brackets, slotted rotors, braided stainless steel lines and AP Racing Dot 5.1 fluid - RRP approximately $7,000.00 plus fitting.

Brakes are vastly improved over factory offerings.:yup: :yup:

Can you please PM details of where i can get this setup for that money?

cheers

[Brockfan05]

LSS7, try Walkinshaw Performance, I think they offer that kit for that money.

[LSS7]

Thanks everyone, i have found afew shops that can get them thanks to you all.

I now have to make up my mind between AP's , HSV Ap's and Harrop all in the 6 piston front range.

They are all different


cheers

[HRT 8]

Thanks everyone, i have found afew shops that can get them thanks to you all.

I now have to make up my mind between AP's , HSV Ap's and Harrop all in the 6 piston front range.

They are all different


cheers

Are you intending to do some serious track work or is this more a cosmetic improvement with the added bonus of great stoppers.

If its the latter, the Harrop 4 spot 356 mm are fantastic. Not only do they look nice but they have enough snot to do emergency stops from rediculous speeds (200ish) time and time again. They seriously work! They are very reasonably priced too.
Just my opinion and recommendation. Take it as you will.

[jerrel]

i think ill just have original standard brakes on my car. its probably best to stop encouraging theives with nice brakes shining through even nice wheels (i.e. nickS) only because my car is parked on the street. i think my standard brakes performer awesome, of course i have no comparision but they pull up good to me ;)

[INASNT]

Are you intending to do some serious track work or is this more a cosmetic improvement with the added bonus of great stoppers.

If its the latter, the Harrop 4 spot 356 mm are fantastic. Not only do they look nice but they have enough snot to do emergency stops from rediculous speeds (200ish) time and time again. They seriously work! They are very reasonably priced too.
Just my opinion and recommendation. Take it as you will.

Yes using 6 pots on the street are a waste on money

[HRT 8]

i think ill just have original standard brakes on my car. its probably best to stop encouraging theives with nice brakes shining through even nice wheels (i.e. nickS) only because my car is parked on the street. i think my standard brakes performer awesome, of course i have no comparision but they pull up good to me ;)

Of course they pull up awsome, but just dont expect them too do it more than twice. Not from any decent speed anyway!

[dyno junkie]

Yes using 6 pots on the street are a waste on money

Well I got to disagree with you on that!

Even after fitting the AP Racing kit I would still only rate the brakes better than say a standard WRX, but probably no better than an STI.

CV8 is a Commodore based car that is very heavy and as such does need big brakes to be able to pull up as well as a lighter car.

[HRT 8]

Well I got to disagree with you on that!

Even after fitting the AP Racing kit I would still only rate the brakes better than say a standard WRX, but probably no better than an STI.
What are your comparisons? Brake feel, performance including stopping distances, fade or what?
Id be extremely surprised to find a premium AP 6 spot not as good as an STI WRX. Even given the considerable weight disadvantage to the Munro.
If that were thwe case then Id ay go buy a set of Harrop 4 spotters and save you dosh.
Ive driven a WRX and would say my 4 spot harrops on my VYSS would murder them in all the areas I listed above. Again and again and again.

[INASNT]

Well I got to disagree with you on that!

Even after fitting the AP Racing kit I would still only rate the brakes better than say a standard WRX, but probably no better than an STI.

CV8 is a Commodore based car that is very heavy and as such does need big brakes to be able to pull up as well as a lighter car.

The 4 pot brembos on the sti are nothign special.

Most sti ownes that do serious track work upgrade to bigger rotors and ap racing or similiar setups.

[HRT 8]

The 4 pot brembos on the sti are nothign special.

Most sti ownes that do serious track work upgrade to bigger rotors and ap racing or similiar setups.

Hang on to that thought. We arent talking track work are we?? Totally different kettle of fish to driving on brakes designed to work in everyday environments.

[jerrel]

why do they put small brakes on the rear?

[Clubby250]

braking bias due to the weight dynamics of the car when brakin is applied. ull notice the front of the car is driven down towards the ground so as most of the cars wieght is now applied to the front wheels and the back of the car lifts up. hence little wieght towards the rear and minimal ground resistance is achieved. so ony need little brakes at the rear due to little amount of braking force able to be achieved.

and opposite for the front as per what ive just said above
brett

[dyno junkie]

What are your comparisons? Brake feel, performance including stopping distances, fade or what?
Id be extremely surprised to find a premium AP 6 spot not as good as an STI WRX. Even given the considerable weight disadvantage to the Munro.
If that were thwe case then Id ay go buy a set of Harrop 4 spotters and save you dosh.
Ive driven a WRX and would say my 4 spot harrops on my VYSS would murder them in all the areas I listed above. Again and again and again.

The comparison is based on my driving experience.

The last time that I competed in a Go-Whoa was at Motorvation a few years ago and put a standard MY02 WRX into second place.

The AP Racings on our CV8 do not suffer from fade as did the WRX's.

Feel from driving, but not testing back to back, is that the AP Racings stop better than the Harrop 4 pistons.

Cost of comparable Harrops was more than the AP Racing's when I bought last year.

[BIGDAO]

Sorry, but I don't really see a real point to this thread.....

Yeah, it was kinda pointless, but it HAS had 5 pages of replies so far! Sometimes the best threads are the pointless ones...

[jerrel]

braking bias due to the weight dynamics of the car when brakin is applied. ull notice the front of the car is driven down towards the ground so as most of the cars wieght is now applied to the front wheels and the back of the car lifts up. hence little wieght towards the rear and minimal ground resistance is achieved. so ony need little brakes at the rear due to little amount of braking force able to be achieved.

and opposite for the front as per what ive just said above
brett

no thanks button, so u get a post to thank you!
:bow: :thumbsup:

[phunky_monkey]

Remember that the STi has 322mm rotors (IIRC) and Brembo calipers, and from all reports they pull up very well, but I haven't driven one myself so I can't comment.

Here is some info from a test done a few years ago that some of you may find interesting.

Car & Driver did a test a few years ago ...Test Car was a WRX (US Spec which only uses two piston sliding caliper, not as good as Nissan 4 spot or later Model WRX 4 pots)

So tested kits were, std car, std car with upgraded pads and fluid, Brembo F50 Kit, Brembo Lotus Kit (Similar to as fitted to GTRs, 44/38mm pistons), Stoptech it and Prodrive Kit (Alcon)

Stopping Distances 70mph - 0 , 3 Stop
Brembo F50;_____________ 185 / 183 (Average / Best)
Brembo Lotus; ______________ 200 / 196
Prodrive; __________________ 198 / 194
StopTech;__________________ 187 / 186
Stock; ____________________ 205 / 196
Stck with pads and fluid; ____187 / 184

The above figures are all in feet, one stop difference between pad and fluid upgrade to crappy sliding caliper brake setup and massive Brembos is 1 ft...lol 30cms:( And over 3 stops the average is 2 ft...lol 60cms:)

So you can see the one stop max of the upgraded pads and fluid is damn good when you consider the $$$ to % difference.


Stopping Distances 100mph - 0 , 25 Stop
Brembo F50; _____________ 299 / 288 (Average / Best)
Brembo Lotus; ______________305 / 294
Prodrive; __________________ 308 / 295
StopTech;__________________ 297 / 290
Stock;_____________________ 340/317
Stck with pads and fluid;_____316/299

Not the world of difference you would be led to believe by the "you need 6pot caliper 343mm rotor crowd."


Specs of the kits:
Rotor Weight (pounds) Size in inches (diam / thk)
Brembo F50;.................15.8......................... .13.1 / 1.3
Brembo Lotus;..............12.9.......................... 12.9 / 1.1
Prodrive;......................16.5............... ............13.0 / 1.1
StopTech;...................13.9.................. ........12.9 / 1.1
Stock;.................. ......14.2..........................11.6 / 0.9


Caliper Weight , Piston Size, (mm)
Brembo F50;..........8.6 pounds...........40 / 44, Leading / Trailing
Brembo Lotus;.......6.8.......................36 / 40
Prodrive;...............9.1..................... 34.9 / 41.3
StopTech;.............9.3.....................36 / 40
Stock;.................10.8.................. .43 / 43


...and COST!!!
Brembo F50;.......................US$2,995
Brembo Lotus;.....................US$2,595
Prodrive;.............................US$1,999
StopTech;...........................US$1,695
Stock with pads & fluid;....... US$130


JMK: If you think your brakes pull up really well stock, you should try something aftermarket, or with really good brakes from factory. I'm not terribly impressed with the brakes on the clubby...

[Lucifer]

Great post mate!

Easy to get caught up in specs and miss the whole real world factor.

One thing that people have completely forgotten is TYRES!

Tyres make the BIGGEST difference to stopping performance. The coefficient of friction between the tyre and the road surface is the number 1 factor is brake performance.

Example: A stock SS with stock brakes and slicks will brake better than a the same car with 6 pot Alcons and stock road tyres.

The peoint is that no matter how well the pads grip the rotors, the overall brake performance is governed by the ability of the tyre to hold the road.

[INASNT]

Remember that the STi has 322mm rotors (IIRC) and Brembo calipers, and from all reports they pull up very well, but I haven't driven one myself so I can't comment.

Here is some info from a test done a few years ago that some of you may find interesting.

Car & Driver did a test a few years ago ...Test Car was a WRX (US Spec which only uses two piston sliding caliper, not as good as Nissan 4 spot or later Model WRX 4 pots)

So tested kits were, std car, std car with upgraded pads and fluid, Brembo F50 Kit, Brembo Lotus Kit (Similar to as fitted to GTRs, 44/38mm pistons), Stoptech it and Prodrive Kit (Alcon)

Stopping Distances 70mph - 0 , 3 Stop
Brembo F50;_____________ 185 / 183 (Average / Best)
Brembo Lotus; ______________ 200 / 196
Prodrive; __________________ 198 / 194
StopTech;__________________ 187 / 186
Stock; ____________________ 205 / 196
Stck with pads and fluid; ____187 / 184

The above figures are all in feet, one stop difference between pad and fluid upgrade to crappy sliding caliper brake setup and massive Brembos is 1 ft...lol 30cms:( And over 3 stops the average is 2 ft...lol 60cms:)

So you can see the one stop max of the upgraded pads and fluid is damn good when you consider the $$$ to % difference.


Stopping Distances 100mph - 0 , 25 Stop
Brembo F50; _____________ 299 / 288 (Average / Best)
Brembo Lotus; ______________305 / 294
Prodrive; __________________ 308 / 295
StopTech;__________________ 297 / 290
Stock;_____________________ 340/317
Stck with pads and fluid;_____316/299

Not the world of difference you would be led to believe by the "you need 6pot caliper 343mm rotor crowd."


Specs of the kits:
Rotor Weight (pounds) Size in inches (diam / thk)
Brembo F50;.................15.8......................... .13.1 / 1.3
Brembo Lotus;..............12.9.......................... 12.9 / 1.1
Prodrive;......................16.5............... ............13.0 / 1.1
StopTech;...................13.9.................. ........12.9 / 1.1
Stock;.................. ......14.2..........................11.6 / 0.9


Caliper Weight , Piston Size, (mm)
Brembo F50;..........8.6 pounds...........40 / 44, Leading / Trailing
Brembo Lotus;.......6.8.......................36 / 40
Prodrive;...............9.1..................... 34.9 / 41.3
StopTech;.............9.3.....................36 / 40
Stock;.................10.8.................. .43 / 43


...and COST!!!
Brembo F50;.......................US$2,995
Brembo Lotus;.....................US$2,595
Prodrive;.............................US$1,999
StopTech;...........................US$1,695
Stock with pads & fluid;....... US$130


JMK: If you think your brakes pull up really well stock, you should try something aftermarket, or with really good brakes from factory. I'm not terribly impressed with the brakes on the clubby...


I rememebr Roy posting this up on sau awhile ago

[phunky_monkey]

Yeah, it's been posted about 2982082 times on SAU already! Good info though

[LSS7]

Are you intending to do some serious track work or is this more a cosmetic improvement with the added bonus of great stoppers.

If its the latter, the Harrop 4 spot 356 mm are fantastic. Not only do they look nice but they have enough snot to do emergency stops from rediculous speeds (200ish) time and time again. They seriously work! They are very reasonably priced too.
Just my opinion and recommendation. Take it as you will.


I would like to put the car on the track form time to time so i am going with the 6 piston AP kit .

I think it's good value for $7K because you also get DS2500 pads , grooved discs, braided lines and race fluid.

That's like probably over $1500 worth of stuff so its like paying $5500 for the discs and calipers.

Is a Harrop kit around the $5500 mark compare performance ?

[HRT 8]

I would like to put the car on the track form time to time so i am going with the 6 piston AP kit .

I think it's good value for $7K because you also get DS2500 pads , grooved discs, braided lines and race fluid.

That's like probably over $1500 worth of stuff so its like paying $5500 for the discs and calipers.

Is a Harrop kit around the $5500 mark compare performance ?

From my experience the pads that come standard with Harrops kits aren't ideal for track work. They use Bendix Ultimates.

As for how the two kits compare, its probably a question best left for Harrop to put their two cents worth in.

[LSS7]

When i first bought the SS the standard brakes they came with where shocking.

You hit them a couple of times hard and there gone.

So i did a cheap brake upgrade using the DBA 4000 discs, Bendix Ultimate Police issue pads and Racing brake fluid.

It was like a different car.

But the pads only lasted about 25K and the disc where killed aswell.

Great pad but too hard on disc, and the brake dust it created was huge.

they worked good thou...

[FeRgO]

a set of XY falcon drum brakes all round ;)