Prices of Tunes....$1600+ ???

[VooDoo]

I was discussing tunes the other day with a guy in Sydney who got his car tuned "on the street" and he was told that Dyno tunes in Sydney cost $1600 and wont ever be as good as a Dyno tune.

Now ignoring the obviously silly statements about "street Tuning", Do tunes still cost $1600 in Sydney or was he led astry.

[nirvana]

$1600 don't think so probably more around $1000

[CarlFST60L]

Im still hearing of tunes for $1500

[mmm]

i was told $1500 a few months back by a well known sponsor

i've also been told of $500 'street tunes'

[Tre-Cool]

would sound about right if it was for a forced induction tune, if not thats pretty expensive.

[seedyrom]

not sure if it means anything, but everythings expensive in sydney.
Rent on property in Sydney is more for workshops, staff wages are higher and most likely insurance against theft is more too.

People tuning without premises can charge less, and one man operations don't require all the OHS garbage, secretarial staff, and all the other nightmares of managing people. Plus you'll atill need to pay extra for dyno runs.

In a roundabout way i'm saying that there's a reason for Sydney tunes being more expensive.Yet one-man operations can present a cheaper option ... if saving a few dollars is your only goal.

And as for the other statement ... :D you already know my thoughts about only street tuning :lmao:

[nirvana]

maybe im out of touch but i would of thought no more than $1200

[Tron2004]

About 8 months ago, I was quoted $1200 for an edit (tune).

Sonny...????

Damn, I gotta get this done ASAP!!!!!

[OPPYLOCK]

Around $1200 from my experience.

[piston1]

SA forced induction tune $1000+$500 for fitting blower,catch can,powerster&trans coolers,gilmer drive,will be tuned on hub dyno.

[swingtan]

From reading posts on this very site, I would have said that general prices for tunes pretty much everywhere are...


Mail Order: ( there are some very good "specials" listed for these..... )

MAF = $400 to $600
MAF-less = $600 to $800

Dyno:

MAF = $800 to $1000
MAF-less = $1000 to $1400

FI:

If you can afford the kit, you don't need to ask... :yup:



Now I just need to get one done.

Simon

[markone2]

Regardless of ones preferred method of tuning ,there is no getting around the fact the forums resident one man band NSW tuner is achieving results..some very good results if the opinions expressed by those LS1/2 owners who have voted with their wallets are to considered

We as a consumer, looking at a tune tend to evaluate how much benefit we derive from paying out an extra 1K plus to cover business overheads / tuner experience/ workshop backup etc……..or in layman’s terms the direct link ( if any ), between the business location / the number of secretarial staff employed and the quality of tune received, and wether that quality is expressed by ¼ mile times / driveability or good old fashioned mpg is most certainly a matter for individual preference…..

Of course while this method of tuning will not be everyone’s cup of tea ( me for example ) ,there is most certainly a readily growing market of Ozzie devotees ……and at 1/3 the cost, I'm not surprised :) .......just my view

[10sec_rx7]

I was discussing tunes the other day with a guy in Sydney who got his car tuned "on the street" and he was told that Dyno tunes in Sydney cost $1600 and wont ever be as good as a Dyno tune.

Now ignoring the obviously silly statements about "street Tuning", Do tunes still cost $1600 in Sydney or was he led astry.

he was definatly lead astry...

we charge $1450 for a OTR, fitting and a mafless dyno tune....

[LS1WB]

Mate,
I have had 3 tunes on the same ute, 3 different reasons, 3 different locations because i were i lived but in the same city. This also cam with 3 different prices and results.
1st $1200 mafless tune
2nd, $600 new motor,mafless tune
3rd, $800 modified motor, mafless tune
Each and every time the car was dynoed to confirm the previous results, yep all, of them also different.
If you can find a tuner you can trust stick with him, I should have, but you tend to listen to what people think they can give you in performance figures.

Road tunning seems to be OK for transmissions shift points but thats about it.

Good Luck

[HSVREDSLED]

Regardless of ones preferred method of tuning ,there is no getting around the fact the forums resident one man band NSW tuner is achieving results..some very good results if the opinions expressed by those LS1/2 owners who have voted with their wallets are to considered

We as a consumer, looking at a tune tend to evaluate how much benefit we derive from paying out an extra 1K plus to cover business overheads / tuner experience/ workshop backup etc……..or in layman’s terms the direct link ( if any ), between the business location / the number of secretarial staff employed and the quality of tune received, and wether that quality is expressed by ¼ mile times / driveability or good old fashioned mpg is most certainly a matter for individual preference…..

Of course while this method of tuning will not be everyone’s cup of tea ( me for example ) ,there is most certainly a readily growing market of Ozzie devotees ……and at 1/3 the cost, I'm not surprised :) .......just my view



As always.......well put.

[macca_779]

OZTRACK A forum sponsor does dual spark table MAFLESS tunes for $500. My Senator was tuned by Steve and the result is excelent. He trains workshops on how to tune using EFI Live as he is an australian reseller of the product. So yeah he knows what he's doing. Personally I can't justify paying these $1200+ Prices for tunes. Hell for that money I can buy the tuning hardware and software myself

[IH8FPV]

OZTRACK A forum sponsor does dual spark table MAFLESS tunes for $500. My Senator was tuned by Steve and the result is excelent. He trains workshops on how to tune using EFI Live as he is an australian reseller of the product. So yeah he knows what he's doing. Personally I can't justify paying these $1200+ Prices for tunes. Hell for that money I can buy the tuning hardware and software myself

Totally agree another happy customer over here :party:
Should be running in the 12"s in a cuople of weeks (not bad for a mail order tune)

[STATIE]

Personally I can't justify paying these $1200+ Prices for tunes. Hell for that money I can buy the tuning hardware and software myself

I did - partly just for wank value and a bit of logging.

I'll tune your car for $50 if you want - but as in most things in life you will get what yyou paid for. In my case you will get a sh!t tune.:lol:

I still pay to get my cars tuned by a proffesional.:yup:



Good on Oztrack for putting the wind up a few of the rip off merchants though.

[AussieTone]

I was discussing tunes the other day with a guy in Sydney who got his car tuned "on the street" and he was told that Dyno tunes in Sydney cost $1600 and wont ever be as good as a Dyno tune.

Now ignoring the obviously silly statements about "street Tuning", Do tunes still cost $1600 in Sydney or was he led astry.

Maybe that also includes the supply and fitting of an OTRCAI. Have seen 'packages' like that advertised.

[FatBoy]

10sec_rx7 already posted the price for Castle Hill Exhaust - $1450 for mafless including OTR - not bad at all, and given their results at the track lately there is no denying Dale is on the ball when it comes to tuning... :yup:

[nickh]

can i just say i find the dollar value of tunes really out of wack.

When ls1 edit first came out a open workshop version was just over the 10k mark from memory so you can understand the workshop requiring to get back their intial investment however a few years down the track i fail to see where that 1000 plus dollars goes IF its a bolt on vehicle.

Heres my understanding of how it goes
(Im happy to have this explained to me if im incorrect or missing something)

*Vehicle inspected and checked and made sure its in a good state.
*Vehicle is then run a dyno and results inspected.
*Client is then debriefed and any upgrades or repairs that are recommend are fitted or carried out
*PCM is then enhanced (or a tune from a vehicle that has similar mods uploaded)(and come on its been how many years its not as if tuners dont have a basic tune they use and then fine tune from there)
*Vehicle is then re run on the dyno and fine tuned netting final result

Now really i dont think all that hard and really if no other changes are carried out during this i carnt see this taking more than 2-3 hours in an organised garage.

As i said im happy to be corrected and if im missing anything please inform me.

Now before ppl get their backs up this is for your std lsX model bolt on vehicle upgrade. (CAI-HEADERS-EXHAUST-DIFF GEARS same as ls1 national bolt on class ) type of vehicle

When your taking cam/head-cam/strokers/FI vehicles well then i can understand to make sure the each and every vehicle comes out performing the best they can requires time and as such i can understand $1200-1500 or so.

[seldo]

As in most walks of life - you get what you pay for....
Is your accountant or lawyer worth $300 - $500 /hr? ....just for writing a bloody letter...or are you paying for the expertise, experience and training that goes into what they are writing? You hear of the big money that the blokes at the mines are earning, just for driving a big truck...but they are being paid for their training and (hopefully) experience. Many years ago I knew a guy who was an artist who had become fairly well recognised and whose paintings were selling for about $5k ea. He was showing me some paintings that he'd just sold and I asked him how long they took him to paint....He said, "Well...the glib answer is that they have taken me 30 years to paint....but in terms of time to produce...about 5 hours". It all depends on how much you value your ride.... Personally, I'm happy to pay whatever it costs to have the right bloke doing it with the right knowledge and experience. Just think of it from this point of view...If you had to have a brain operation...would you want the bloke who was the cheapest..........or the bloke who was the best and had the runs on the board....?? I rest my case...:)

[Oztrack Tuning]

"I was discussing tunes the other day with a guy in Sydney who got his car tuned "on the street" and he was told that Dyno tunes in Sydney cost $1600 and wont ever be as good as a Dyno tune." Its better Voodoo that this sort of comment is not written to seem like it is fact that a tuner on this board may have said it. There has been far too much rumour and bitching about these sorts of issues.

The tuners that are sponsors on this board in NSW as far as i am aware know what they are doing quite well. A good job will be done anywhere else and i am not about poaching other peoples customers. All businesses that tune cars charge according to their priorities and their time available. Its their business and their choice to decide their pricing structure.

I am unaware of anyone charging $1600 for a stock LS1 tune in Sydney. Overall I dont really pay attention to what other people are charging.

As far as expertise and what you pay for etc. The only way to judge is to experience it. But charging more doesnt make for a better tune.:yup:

ps. Mine are done in a variety of situations to suit the goals of the owner. Many are fuel economy tunes these days. Some are done with dyno logging. Customers always stay with their cars and its an open situation where all is explained as much as they like. Because of the EFI Reseller status i am in fact involved with far more cars than just the cars that i tune personally - it makes for gaining a lot of experience quickly.

Nickh,
There is more involved than that. All good tuners would have built a good base tune and that took time and a lot of development. They then can use different strategies to get the best driveability from the car - the dyno is a great tool for helping this happen. But its not just fuel and timing. Its also knock settings, timing at idle and backoff, DFCO settings etc. Many things need to be tweaked for a best possible strategy for the car. T

Throw in a cam or a SC or turbo and things get much more involved. The fueling via the VE tables and boost tables needs a lot of logging. idle strategies get challenged. Knock strategies , IAT timing table etc.

Its not simple to get a good tune - but for those with really well developed base tunes - it becomes easier and quicker and may look easy. But the work was already done on countless previous cars.

Some places that charge $1500 work very hard for their money.

[Martin_D]

Good to hear Oz. Are you actually training the Australian customers in EFILIVE now? Well done! :teach:

[Oztrack Tuning]

You helped me once Martin - so if you need any help with a EFILive tuned car e.g. our custom tunes - just ask - i'll be happy to help save you some time.

[Martin_D]

Thanks for the offer Oz, but we dont use EFILIVE much at the moment :)

[Oztrack Tuning]

Here would be one reason :) ....Our EFILive Custom Operating system OS5 has a table for NOS timing retard and NOS fuel enrichment. It can be activated by simply wiring the NOS full throttle switch to the pcm at one of the pins. It could be used with dry or wet shots.

[seedyrom]

WOW! nice spin doctoring :thumbsup:

I haven't seen someone shift a thread into a sales pitch since ... well ... any thread Tuna's been involved in :D

[Oztrack Tuning]

Seedy,

Sales pitch sometimes = a simple truth.

[Carrots]

Bit of a random Question then fellas...How long does a standard MAF tune on an LS1 including Dyno runs take these days?

[VX2VESS]

Bit of a random Question then fellas...How long does a standard MAF tune on an LS1 including Dyno runs take these days?


run on dyno check, load tune, run again check, test drive check. if all good could be done in 1/2 hr

[Gonadman2]

I am amazed at the price that you guys can get your engines tuned for!

Having come from a moderately modified WRX I reckon that $1600 is par for the course. ECUtek (similar to LS1edit or EFILive I presume) is a flash tune for the Subaru ECU. It allow's most things to be modified, but it can't be done live and changes must be made, uploaded then tested and then the procedure repeats itself. This is very time consuming and a base "ECUdet 3 custom" tune starts at around $1500 depending on dyno time.

Personally I didn't like ECUtek because of the number failed engines and very limited number of tuners in Sydney (3 that I am aware of). I went for an Autronic which cost me $4200 installed and tuned. It offer's data logging and much better boost control, as well as Autotune (which develops the fuel tables automatically) and MAP control rather than MAF control.

Having a cry about a tune costing $800 or even $1200 is pretty ridiculous and I reckon that its damn good value compared to a lot of other car's ECU options out there!

[ratter]

run on dyno check, load tune, run again check, test drive check. if all good could be done in 1/2 hr

Remind me not to go to your tuner. :hide:

[MNR-0]

I see no problem with a workshop charging 1500+ for a QUALITY tune. I would expect them to have the car overnight so they could dial in cold start idle, especially for cammed cars. A lot of cheapo tunes are just that though - a WOT calibration.

Futhermore, if you spend the money, get the results, and are happy overall, what's there to complain about? I hear lots about ppl. shop-hunting the cheapest tune and in the long run they spend 3x as much as one really good tune. Its those ppl. who need to look past the cost and become results driven.

If I owned a workshop, dyno, and this was my profession, absolutely I would charge good money but expect the customer to be given a good tune or their money back.

Another thing ppl. often neglect to consider is that EFI tuning is a specialised skill. If you can do it yourself why don't you? Sorry, an experienced tuner is well within his rights to charge what he likes. If tuning is just about WOT, then yes, its not worth the $1000 price tag. If that's what you pay for and is all you get - you got ripped.

My recommendation is that you discuss exactly what you want with your tuner BEFORE you drop off the car and get a verbal committment to deliver. Its your money, your car, his time and experience, come to an arrangement.

IT companies charge way more than $1000 over 2 days to do far less compicated stuff these days. EFI tuning is a technical skill requiring computer knowledge these days. Some do it good, others struggle to adapt from a workshop mentality to a profession.

[vx0007]

My mechanic told me not to tell anyone so I shouldnt post this, but I had my edit done for $600, took about 3 hours and I am wrapt with the results + 30 kw no mods apart from cat back and k&n filter.

[Delco]

run on dyno check, load tune, run again check, test drive check. if all good could be done in 1/2 hr


I know some tuners that do 4 an hr ,fly in fly out, even one that only had cat protection turned off and nothing else changed from the previous tune , and charged the poor smuck $1200.


I see no problem with a workshop charging 1500+ for a QUALITY tune. I would expect them to have the car overnight so they could dial in cold start idle, especially for cammed cars. A lot of cheapo tunes are just that though - a WOT calibration.

Futhermore, if you spend the money, get the results, and are happy overall, what's there to complain about? I hear lots about ppl. shop-hunting the cheapest tune and in the long run they spend 3x as much as one really good tune. Its those ppl. who need to look past the cost and become results driven.

If I owned a workshop, dyno, and this was my profession, absolutely I would charge good money but expect the customer to be given a good tune or their money back.

Another thing ppl. often neglect to consider is that EFI tuning is a specialised skill. If you can do it yourself why don't you? Sorry, an experienced tuner is well within his rights to charge what he likes. If tuning is just about WOT, then yes, its not worth the $1000 price tag. If that's what you pay for and is all you get - you got ripped.

My recommendation is that you discuss exactly what you want with your tuner BEFORE you drop off the car and get a verbal committment to deliver. Its your money, your car, his time and experience, come to an arrangement.

IT companies charge way more than $1000 over 2 days to do far less compicated stuff these days. EFI tuning is a technical skill requiring computer knowledge these days. Some do it good, others struggle to adapt from a workshop mentality to a profession.

For once somone is right on the money , not unusual to have a cammed car 2-4 days to get it perfect.

[nickh]

Oh pls guys ive seen one guys breakdown of costs but for most of the tuners in this thread ive yet to see an objective view or breakdown of costs.
in my eyes all ive seen is ppl just trying to justify (and this is not a personal attack by any means) the cost by saying dont look at costs look at results..

HOWEVER

GUYS i have been around along time in actual fact i had one of the first LS1 edits (for those remember the day at Chevs with ST) As i have mentioned i agree and understand the time for a cammed or FYI vehicle and for that i completely understand the cost because if your talking 2-4 days the time in its self get it right fair enough

BUT

for members with vehicles that are bolt on vehicles i am yet to see the justification and no one has gone though it to show me where the cost lies.
I mean if delco can do a mail order tune that produces good to great results for $400 dollars what does the use of a dyno and 2 hours worth of your time make all of a sudden a job go from that figure to $1000-1400??????(thats a generalization btw)

Dont get me wrong were in business to make money (and because hopefully you enjoy what you do) and there are overheads to be meet but im yet to see where the cost lies.

[pagey]

here is a question for ya..

If a tuner can do the same or better tune as another tuner in half the time.. is it any less of a tune?

What I am getting at.. is a couple of sly digs in here.. (as per usual) about certain tuners not spending days on a car.. IF the results can be had quickly and safely.. I don't see the point in holding the car for 8 hours .. except perhaps to give the perception that more work was undertaken that actaully was?

[Plan B]

here is a question for ya..

If a tuner can do the same or better tune as another tuner in half the time.. is it any less of a tune?

What I am getting at.. is a couple of sly digs in here.. (as per usual) about certain tuners not spending days on a car.. IF the results can be had quickly and safely.. I don't see the point in holding the car for 8 hours .. except perhaps to give the perception that more work was undertaken that actaully was?


Exactly.... Good tuners don't torture the car on the dyno for hours on end. Day's? That just dumb!

[Delco]

for members with vehicles that are bolt on vehicles i am yet to see the justification and no one has gone though it to show me where the cost lies.
I mean if delco can do a mail order tune that produces good to great results for $400 dollars what does the use of a dyno and 2 hours worth of your time make all of a sudden a job go from that figure to $1000-1400??????(thats a generalization btw)

Dont get me wrong were in business to make money (and because hopefully you enjoy what you do) and there are overheads to be meet but im yet to see where the cost lies.


Nick really a lot of its about overheads , I do a mail order maf tune for $400 , if a customer comes in for a full custom tune then that same base tune is loaded into the vehicle , a base dyno run is done then WOT tune adjustments are made of the course of the next hour approx , then we start fine tuning the part throttle checking mixtures at all the laod points and adjusting timing at all the load points to find MBT ( mean best timing ) , that generally takes another hour , then its time to get on the road and fine tune the DFCO , lean crusie and look at accelerator enrichment values , generally another 30 min to hr of road tuning is done.

After that its back to the shop to analyse the data and make any further adjsutments as required , then a little time is spent fine uning the idle and initial takeoff as well as deaccell.

The car needs to be driven to find all its issues and do a good tune.

PRETTY GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY FOR $800 , if I didnt have insurance , dyno payments, lease payments , super , wages , booking GTS etc then I reckon it could be a bit cheaper , end of the day we all have to eat.

If its a cammed car or blown then expect it to take a couple of days getting the cal right.

This is all on a base tune that has taken many 100's of hours to develop in differing weather altitudes.

When I used to work as a engine tuner at Orbital , a minor change like a manifold mod would mean a group of 6 dyno guys would spent 3-4 weeks tweeking the cal to get the best tune possible - bit hard to replicate that in this commercial world but some of us do try.

Then you have the other end of the scale which I see reguarly , a tune copied off a supplied tuning disc when the "tuner" has bought some software and every car gets the same tune loaded a dyno run and hand over of a wad of cash - now thats just rude. At least it keeps me in work when the car doesnt idle or perform properly as eventually they get it tuned properly - shame they didnt do the job right in the first place though rather than let a exhaust guy or mechanic utune it while doing their mechanical upgrades.

[WA VTGEN111]

If someone spends money on their car why wouldn't they want a result that is the best for their combo if getting the best tune means having to pay more then any amount of money they have to spend is or should be shown in their results. Not every customer (or shmuck as some ppl call them) is looking for an average result.



In WA unlike other states there are limited options on tuners unfortunately here our best results come from SA, (OUR) before anyone gets started.


We dont tune but we personally would rather spend 990 - 1200 dollars to see top results and not see our customers get recharged because they run low figures on dogey dyno's or have to spend more money when they have to re-tune like quite a few WA cars have done.

[Martin_D]

I don't see the point in holding the car for 8 hours .. except perhaps to give the perception that more work was undertaken that actaully was?

Because tuners use computers these days rather than screwdrivers and chisels they get this rare gift known as a database, from which they can draw. If your tuner needs to keep a car to see that it cold starts in the morning, then theres a fair chance they simply guessed on your combination in the first place. The skill is to KNOW it will start...and thats why some ppl pay the money for a start to finish job rather than a constant work in progress :) :yahoo:

[Plan B]

I guess, some tuners just tune cars and others, turn it into a soap opera.

My advice; Choose wisely!

[UTE FORCE]

I know some tuners that do 4 an hr ,fly in fly out, even one that only had cat protection turned off and nothing else changed from the previous tune , and charged the poor smuck $1200.



For once somone is right on the money , not unusual to have a cammed car 2-4 days to get it perfect.

Sweet jesus.....4 days,man it would want to be a humdinger of a tune that one

[Carrots]

I guess, some tuners just tune cars and others, turn it into a soap opera.

My advice; Choose wisely!

So what are the tips on choosing wisely? So what sort of time frame are we talking etc for a tune and so forth these days then for it to be done right without it dragging out to that soap opera drama kinda time frame etc? Call me stupid I know - I'm just an ignorant country hick! lol

[VQST80]

I guess some people have the passion and are perfectionists by nature and
the results speak for themselves.

A tuner is like hens teeth these days, let alone a specialist custom tuner.

[Bully]

So what are the tips on choosing wisely? So what sort of time frame are we talking etc for a tune and so forth these days then for it to be done right without it dragging out to that soap opera drama kinda time frame etc? Call me stupid I know - I'm just an ignorant country hick! lol

You live in the right state to be getting a good tune!!!!!
Tuna & Doughy tuned my car in probably just over an hour or so (cant remember exact time frame but it wasnt really that long), they did a bloody good job, nearly 2 years on & not a single complaint, plus they dont charge an arm & leg. Cant fault their work!!!!
BTW cost wasnt the reason I went with them (even though it was what I consider quite cheap), I based my decision on their reputation

[michaels1v8]

You live in the right state to be getting a good tune!!!!!
Tuna & Doughy tuned my car in probably just over an hour or so (cant remember exact time frame but it wasnt really that long), they did a bloody good job, nearly 2 years on & not a single complaint, plus they dont charge an arm & leg. Cant fault their work!!!!
BTW cost wasnt the reason I went with them (even though it was what I consider quite cheap), I based my decision on their reputation


Well said. Price is important but dont shop by it. A truely good tuner should have a good reputation and be recommended by many... like all of the tuners on this forum :thumbsup:

[seldo]

Well said. Price is important but dont shop by it. A truely good tuner should have a good reputation and be recommended by many... like all of the tuners on this forum :thumbsup:
And usually, the more experience, the better the tuner, the quicker and better he can do it. I'd rather go with someone like that, viz PT, than try to save a few bucks and become part of the tuner's apprenticeship....

[Delco]

Sweet jesus.....4 days,man it would want to be a humdinger of a tune that one

Depends on if you want a perfect combo or just a WOT tune , custoemr doesnt pay more , we jsut do more road miles to make sure its perfect in every situation not just at WOT on a dyno

Thats what seperates the good tunes from jsut a average one - its not the cost its the effort that is put in.

[Plan B]

Call me stupid I know - I'm just an ignorant country hick! lol

You don’t look real stupid with your questions so albeit you may be having a go or asking a genuine question; I’ll answer to the latter with my own personal experience;


So what are the tips on choosing wisely?

There is no doubt to the fact that asking in here (this forum) puts you in the right place Australia wide. Everyone eventually chooses their own poison when selecting a tuner and it’s bloody hard for most to move on as tuning is not cheap!

I personally get to talk with a heck of a lot of Corvette guy’s in the US as with the older F Body stuff every single day! You should see the horror stories I get to hear! I say Australia is in good steed as far as tuning goes world wide on LSX’s. Really!


So what sort of time frame are we talking etc for a tune and so forth these days then for it to be done right without it dragging out to that soap opera drama kinda time frame etc?

Mate…… What ever you’re happy with.

I will say this though;

Nothing! ;)

Look around and choose your poison.

Pete.

[ATTNSEEKR]

ive had 2 tunes from same tuner, first was just a mafless tune with usual bolt ons. made decnt power all round and fuel economy was great.

Now went a Cam tune and same results, decent power and ran a decent time, did i mention the 10.8L/100 kays on freeway.

both tunes were well worth the money. it pays to speak to people and look at there previous work. i did and chose the best.

Thanks Tuna/Doughy :thumbsup:

[EfiJy]

ive had 2 tunes from same tuner, first was just a mafless tune with usual bolt ons. made decnt power all round and fuel economy was great.

Now went a Cam tune and same results, decent power and ran a decent time, did i mention the 10.8L/100 kays on freeway.

both tunes were well worth the money. it pays to speak to people and look at there previous work. i did and chose the best.

Thanks Tuna/Doughy :thumbsup:

mate 10.8 liters is nuthin spescial on the hwy for a cam. my mate gets easy 9

[ATTNSEEKR]

mate 10.8 liters is nuthin spescial on the hwy for a cam. my mate gets easy 9


yeah well my mates sisters brothers uncles aunty's nanna does 7's easy on the highway with 2000rwhp.

talking is one thing, results is another.

lets keep it on the topic of tunes, not how good each other's fuel economy is like. cheers

[EfiJy]

yeah well my mates sisters brothers uncles aunty's nanna does 7's easy on the highway with 2000rwhp.

talking is one thing, results is another.

lets keep it on the topic of tunes, not how good each other's fuel economy is like. cheers

ah well as long as your happy. :thumbsup:

just don't mention it to anywon becuase they might smirk. its nuthin to brag about

[jona]

Personally i think that tuners can, and should charge whatever they want. If everyone thought they could do it better themselves then im sure they would. If you are not happy with what someone charges for their time and experience, then go somewhere else or do it yourself........bitching about it on here aint gunna change a thing.

[Tre-Cool]

I've been happy with all my tunes, i did however buy the tuning software so I could be more informed on how the engine management stuff works and how by changing stuff i can make things worse. :lol:

But like it's been mentioned in the home tuners thread you need alot of time and knowledge & eventually experiance to tune an engine and one would hope thats what your PAYING for when it comes to Professional Tuners.

Someone who installs a cam and just whacks a standard manfucturers tune in is just being cheap and does both them selves and the customer a dis-service.

[Wingnut]

So where's the best place in SA to get a tune for a VE SS, and what ball park figure should I expect to pay for a quality job? Or is it better to wait until the VE has more performance parts etc available?

[Tre-Cool]

So where's the best place in SA to get a tune for a VE SS, and what ball park figure should I expect to pay for a quality job? Or is it better to wait until the VE has more performance parts etc available?
I'd Wait. Apparently the areas available for programming in the VE are no where as near as amuch as the LS1 pcm's.

[Wonky]

So where's the best place in SA to get a tune for a VE SS, and what ball park figure should I expect to pay for a quality job? Or is it better to wait until the VE has more performance parts etc available?

I always had the impression that Street_Tuna was THE man in SA for results and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here that he's already had pretty good results from a VE.

[Martin_D]

Well my missus has a VE SS-V A6 with great tuning results, and I drive a VE SS M6 Gen-TT Intercooled Twin Turbo almost as impressive :)
Id say the software to tune these cars is pretty good :cool:

[macca_779]

Well my missus has a VE SS-V A6 with great tuning results, and I drive a VE SS M6 Gen-TT Intercooled Twin Turbo almost as impressive :)
Id say the software to tune these cars is pretty good :cool:

U use HP Tuners don't u. EFI LIVE cant be far away for releasing a cal for the L series engines.

[Martin_D]

I use what works...at the moment thats HP Tuners :)

[blkV8]

run on dyno check, load tune, run again check, test drive check. if all good could be done in 1/2 hr

who tunes like this......................plz inform us all

[blkV8]

Well my missus has a VE SS-V A6 with great tuning results, and I drive a VE SS M6 Gen-TT Intercooled Twin Turbo almost as impressive :)
Id say the software to tune these cars is pretty good :cool:

You drive a ve ss m6 GEN TT................
How come your ride says VZ Maloo.
Think you need an upodate mate LOL

[Martin_D]

You drive a ve ss m6 GEN TT................
How come your ride says VZ Maloo.

Cos I made it up. Really I drive a Skoda....one day I will own one of them turbo things :lol: :lol: :driving: :yahoo:
(Rides Updated) :)

[chev]

Cos I made it up. Really I drive a Skoda....one day I will own one of them turbo things :lol: :lol: :driving: :yahoo:
(Rides Updated) :)

Merry xmas Tuna:lmao:

[Martin_D]

Why thank you Chev, same to you and the family mate :)

[mido2k]

Cos I made it up. Really I drive a Skoda....one day I will own one of them turbo things :lol: :lol: :driving: :yahoo:
(Rides Updated) :)


That's the funniest thing ive read all day!!!

[blkV8]

Cos I made it up. Really I drive a Skoda....one day I will own one of them turbo things :lol: :lol: :driving: :yahoo:
(Rides Updated) :)

Thats good mate.....:lmao:
I was just makin sure your ride was correct, i know who you are and i know what ya got. definately not havin a dig at ya.
i just wish you were in sydney so you could give mine a tune

[Carrots]

It's meant to have around 240rwkw from what I am told and according to the dynograph (which I can't bloody find!). But having a driven a mates ute which is essentially the same kit and caboodle, apart from its had a mafless. And must say his feels a lot more punchy in comparison to my ute which feels a little bit lack lustre and perhaps you could say dohey. From what I understand $900 was spent on an LS1 Edit which was from I'm told done in about 30-40mins. From what i've read I take it that would be a full on edit as opposed to a mail tune etc going on the $$.

Its also pretty thirsty on the petrol in comparison also. Especialy around the city where it is well in excess of 20+ L/100kms. And around 12L/100kms on the highway which to me didn't seem so bad but after reading on here it could be better by all accounts.

Should also say the ute has pacemakers running into a twin system but lacks a balance pipe. Plus it also has a K&N intake kit on it. And the tune includes the MAF.
I'm going to see if I can track down where the edit was done etc and go have a chat with them and see what they think etc.

Any thoughts and suggestions and what not on this before I go in (if I can work out where it was done).

Thanks Guys (and girls!)

[HRT 8]

i just wish you were in sydney so you could give mine a tune
Why? Sydney has more than its fair share of tuners who are more than capable of doing it properly.
Look to any of our Syndey based Sponsors. I think you could throw the keys to any of them and be very pleased with the results.

[blkV8]

Why? Sydney has more than its fair share of tuners who are more than capable of doing it properly.
Look to any of our Syndey based Sponsors. I think you could throw the keys to any of them and be very pleased with the results.

yea i realise that mate, thanks.
its just i've heard good things about the forum sponsors in sydney but i've heard AWESOME magical wonderous things about TUNA.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I speak regularily to a couple of guys on here.
I gotta start getting some syd guys to talk 2 but haha





Thanks:yahoo:

[Agent Orange]

i'm currently getting qoutes for a LS1 edit and they have been between $900 and $1500 depending on what software they are going to use.

[RIDE:42]

To find a tuner that can spell may be a good start

[blkV8]

i'm currently getting qoutes for a LS1 edit and they have been between $900 and $1500 depending on what software they are going to use.

which software was the dearest and y mate. did they tell you mate


Cos I made it up. Really I drive a Skoda....one day I will own one of them turbo things :lol: :lol: :driving: :yahoo:
(Rides Updated) :)

hey mate (STREET TUNA), serious 1 for ya this time, whats the difference between hp tuners, efi live, ls1 edit, vcm suite, and any others if i missed any as i probably have. in layman terms to please mate lol.

Thanks
Glenn

:D

[macca_779]

i'm currently getting qoutes for a LS1 edit and they have been between $900 and $1500 depending on what software they are going to use.

OZTRACK Tuning in Penrith offers a $500 MAFLESS tune option. And you are with him the whole time learning all about tuning in the process. I highly recommend Steve, he tuned my car and a few other guys i've spoken to also. The man even teaches workshops how to tune being an EFI LIVE reseller. So don't be skeptical about the price. Check out his section on the sponsors section.

[RIDE:42]

hp tuners / vcm suite = same thing
efi live = soon to have spell check
ls1 edit = early days stuff

[blkV8]

hp tuners / vcm suite = same thing
efi live = soon to have spell check
ls1 edit = early days stuff

cool, thanks mate,
so which would you say is better??

Is efi live same as vcm suite but just made by a different company or is it completely different

[RIDE:42]

Most of the quick cars use are tuned with hp but it still is only a tool

[blkV8]

Most of the quick cars use are tuned with hp but it still is only a tool

fair enough.
Thanks

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[team illucid]

Depends on if you want a perfect combo or just a WOT tune , custoemr doesnt pay more , we jsut do more road miles to make sure its perfect in every situation not just at WOT on a dyno

Thats what seperates the good tunes from jsut a average one - its not the cost its the effort that is put in.

And when it lasts as long as the one is mine has, without a touchup in over 2 years, money well spent IMO.

[SSUte01]

Question in relation to the cost of tuning.

Do workshops as a general rule offer any sort of warranty with their product or what happens (by no fault of their own) if something is to 'let go', how do the legalities of that work out?

Finally, do most tuners offer any sort of pro rata (sans dyno time etc) money back guarantess for dissatisfaction? I guess I want to know if any of these considerations are factored into the costs.

[pagey]

but i've heard AWESOME magical wonderous things about TUNA.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :

was that when you were on the phone to him :woot:

[blkV8]

was that when you were on the phone to him :woot:

ha ha ha ha, no i havent actually spoke to him yet. just heard from other people around the place.

Funny but

[Delco]

And when it lasts as long as the one is mine has, without a touchup in over 2 years, money well spent IMO.

Glad you are still enjoying it mate :driving:


Question in relation to the cost of tuning.

Do workshops as a general rule offer any sort of warranty with their product or what happens (by no fault of their own) if something is to 'let go', how do the legalities of that work out?

Finally, do most tuners offer any sort of pro rata (sans dyno time etc) money back guarantess for dissatisfaction? I guess I want to know if any of these considerations are factored into the costs.


Yes most of the good ones do - we offer a satisfaction money back guarrantee

Any workshop will have insurance to cover any workmanship issues - not that it shoudl ever be needed if the job is done properly.

[DaveHAT]

Question in relation to the cost of tuning.

Do workshops as a general rule offer any sort of warranty with their product or what happens (by no fault of their own) if something is to 'let go', how do the legalities of that work out?

Finally, do most tuners offer any sort of pro rata (sans dyno time etc) money back guarantess for dissatisfaction? I guess I want to know if any of these considerations are factored into the costs.

Very good question there, yet only one response thus far from Delco. :thumbsup:

Hopefully some more tuning workshops or tuners without workshops might like comment on this....?

[andrewdisco]

There isn't much in a tune as far as i'm concerned... as Oztrack said most tuners have a base tune that they've tweaked over the years.

Usually they just load this and make a couple of tweaks as necessary.

For me, what i'm paying for in a tune is their willingness to listen to any problems with the tune afterward and tweak it until you are happy.

I had a thread deleted here a while back after I was charged a premium amount for a tune and then treated like a crunt for suggesting to the tuner that there were problems (which another tuner ended up identifying and clearing up for free - thanks F1).

Also I don't think "being able to back it up at the track" is all that matters either. The fact that the tuner had some fast running LS1's at the track had little comforting effect given the car was a compelete dog to drive on the street and verging on dangerous. (Car was setup to disengage transmission between 2>1 gear shifts and do the change at full pressure even at part throttle).

Tuning is all in customer service - BY THE TUNER. Not the spin doctors in the sales department.

If I lived closer to oztrack i would have used him. Passionate with low overheads... we need more of that in this game. The XR6T guys have it in melb... wish we had it too.

[blkV8]

There isn't much in a tune as far as i'm concerned... as Oztrack said most tuners have a base tune that they've tweaked over the years.

Usually they just load this and make a couple of tweaks as necessary.

For me, what i'm paying for in a tune is their willingness to listen to any problems with the tune afterward and tweak it until you are happy.

I had a thread deleted here a while back after I was charged a premium amount for a tune and then treated like a crunt for suggesting to the tuner that there were problems (which another tuner ended up identifying and clearing up for free - thanks F1).

Also I don't think "being able to back it up at the track" is all that matters either. The fact that the tuner had some fast running LS1's at the track had little comforting effect given the car was a compelete dog to drive on the street and verging on dangerous. (Car was setup to disengage transmission between 2>1 gear shifts and do the change at full pressure even at part throttle).

Tuning is all in customer service - BY THE TUNER. Not the spin doctors in the sales department.

If I lived closer to oztrack i would have used him. Passionate with low overheads... we need more of that in this game. The XR6T guys have it in melb... wish we had it too.

:thumbsup:

[andrewdisco]

haha oops... meant 3>2 shift. 2>1 is never gonna be a smooth ride :p