Phase 1 of VE Calais V Mods completed today

[CalaisRider]

Hi all

Got the PT tune completed today on my Calais V 6 litre. It now has ceramic coated pacemaker shorties, cat back, 3.45 diff and edit.

I was pleasantly surprised by the smoooth powerband curve and torque increase on the dyno chart. Responsiveness is great and definately performs better across the full range. They tweaked the gear shifts on the A6 and is much better than ever before in both auto and manual mode - it is crisp and responsive without being savage..:yup:

In a nutshell I am very impressed by PT MAF tune icing on the cake in conjunction with Brad/Mr Muffler sorst stuff. It certainly cracks off the line with the diff mod assistance. Recken I will complete the initial 3000k run in with this trim and assess what to add from here (she is only 3 weeks old). Mafless is on the short list when sorted, as is a baby cam and small stallie.:bravo:

I'm not claiming its a world beater compared to some of the big boys toys on the forum but I am very satified with the phase one result for an A6 when compared with its standard preformance.:diddy:

I'd post the dyno chart but have no idea how to.:(

Pete

[jaykay]

Pete email it to me at jaykay@eon.net.au and I'll put it up for ya...

JK :diddy:

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

Even just some b4 and after figures would be nice, dont really need to see a pic of your sheet, ill trust you to type it :lol:

[Alex(AUS)]

Yeah I am quite interested in the numbers too.

Alex

[Mudguts]

Figures would be nice to know:yup:

[lowriding]

sounds great ,awesome infact what a top package ,Calais V 6 litre with edit and diff gears,yeah baby.interested to see what times lightly modded VEs will pull. given stockies are running constant mid -high 13's from the factory :bravo:
Still you'd be pretty dissappointed you didnt buy an Aurion - the experts say it's the better large car ,apparantly . can only imagine how awesome an Aurion Grande would be :diddy:

[SS Enforcer]

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Well Peter ..... what did the dyno say before and after the tune plse mate.
You have us all in suspense waiting .

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[CalaisRider]

Enforcer I know it may be frustrating but I have scaned and sent JK the image.

Bottom line says

Torque 556.4 @ 132 KPH; up to 648.4 @ 122KPH

Power 202.4 KW @ 152kph; up to 130.6 @152kph

Motive Force 1153Lb @ 132kph ; up to 1343Lb @ 122kph

My graph is a little different to the figures above and I believe "may" be compared to its stock state as its max power on original comparo curve looks like it just touches 195rwks (which is PT tell me is better than some A6s they have had). The final figure on the "after curve" is 130 as stated above.

There looks to be a massive improvement from "start" (low RPM) up to peak in a much, much flatter curve.

Bottom line I can actually feel the diffence and hoots off the line much better and really responsive at all revs. I'm happy with it.


Hope this is what you want - its just direct quote figures off the chart until JK posts it.

Now its your turn, tell me - is the result good, bad or indifferent?????

Pete

[SS Enforcer]

I think you meant 230 rwkws not 130. If I can get mine to 230 rwkw with zorst and tune I would be happy.

The diff gears will give it more mumbo off the line as well so I reckon she should crack pretty well now.

Are you happy with the seat of the pants result ?

cheers

[jaykay]

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/CalaisRider base mods dyno.JPG

[CalaisRider]

I think you meant 230 rwkws not 130. If I can get mine to 230 rwkw with zorst and tune I would be happy.

The diff gears will give it more mumbo off the line as well so I reckon she should crack pretty well now.

Are you happy with the seat of the pants result ?

cheers

I'm extactic with the seat of the pants stuff Enforcer. The more I drive it the better I know it is (thought it may be the other way). Really quick off the line and with the A6 box tweak by PT, it spaps in and drops down extremely well - stayin off the bloody throttle round town is the problem now but if thats my only issue I can handle that with time:bounce:

Sorry people - one day I will get my numbers right (F***** idiot) it would be strange going backwards by 100rwkw eh!!:( :shiner:

[SS Enforcer]

I have seen a4's with 211 kw run 12's at the drags so you should easily crack a 12 in yours.

Hopefully I won't open up a can of worms here but from what I have seen a manual needs about 25+ kw to match the performance of an auto. The a6 coupled with your 3.46 diff should see it really crack I believe .

I have had 2 kills so far both ls1 manuals, a clubbie and a SS not a lot in it but kills nonetheless.

cheers

[macca_779]

I have seen a4's with 211 kw run 12's at the drags so you should easily crack a 12 in yours.

Hopefully I won't open up a can of worms here but from what I have seen a manual needs about 25+ kw to match the performance of an auto. The a6 coupled with your 3.46 diff should see it really crack I believe .

I have had 2 kills so far both ls1 manuals, a clubbie and a SS not a lot in it but kills nonetheless.

cheers

WTF do you mean A manual needs more power to catch an Auto :weirdo:

[VSSII]

WTF do you mean A manual needs more power to catch an Auto :weirdo:

Have you ever competed at the strip? Obviously not. Autos have a fluid flywheel (torque converter) which greatly assists in getting off the line. Going faster is not always about more power, but in this context a vehicle with a manual gearbox would perhaps require a few more HP to catch up further down the strip after losing at the 60ft.

[Monaro CV8-R]

I would imagine an increase from 556nm to 648nm of torque would certainly give a good seat of your pants feel!

Another good job by the boys at PT:bravo:

[macca_779]

Have you ever competed at the strip? Obviously not. Autos have a fluid flywheel (torque converter) which greatly assists in getting off the line. Going faster is not always about more power, but in this context a vehicle with a manual gearbox would perhaps require a few more HP to catch up further down the strip after losing at the 60ft.

I know what you mean but a stock A4 is very sluggish to change gears rapidly and the amount of power soaked up by the converter means that M6's are usually quicker if driven by someone that knows what they're doing. Launching in a Manual can be just as quick if the driver dials in the right amount of revs and gets the clutch out efficiently enough to balance wheel spin and bog.

[michaels1v8]

Isnt this VE Calais a 6 speed auto though?

Anyway I am pretty sure he means that it is easier for people to achieve the potential of their power with auto transmissions as manuals can be harder to get off the line. I think it takes a lot more deal of skill to get a manual off the line as quick as an auto.

No offence meant to anybody just an observation.

cheers,

Michael

[Vulture]

Nice results. I was lucky enough to have a quick look/hear of your Calais as Brad pulled back into PT after doing the exhaust. It sounded subtle yet still had some anger to it at idle. The colour also blew me away. It is the sort of colour that a brochure cannot do any justice to and I would never have considered that colour myself until seeing it in the flesh. You have a beauty there.

[CalaisRider]

I have seen a4's with 211 kw run 12's at the drags so you should easily crack a 12 in yours.

Hopefully I won't open up a can of worms here but from what I have seen a manual needs about 25+ kw to match the performance of an auto. The a6 coupled with your 3.46 diff should see it really crack I believe .

I have had 2 kills so far both ls1 manuals, a clubbie and a SS not a lot in it but kills nonetheless.

cheers

Wow, the above threads are makin me feel even better!!! When I lived in the country I just loved drivin manuals through the twities. Having never dragged previously, I didn't realise the auto would have the opposite effect that manuals (in the main) require more power to offset the sharp smooth transitions of a good auto box:bounce:

At the risk of repeating myself, the A6 tweak that Power Torque did on my box really improves things all round (its chalk and cheese stuff), its also more intuitive, which rounds off the edit gains and good work on the sorst stuff by Brad and the boys at Mr Muffler Sumner Park.:yup:

When I run it in, and put on the 1/4 strip, if I get mid 12s I would be extactic as that rounds out phase one perfectly. Dunno if I would go chasing high 11s "at all cost", but would be nice for a brand new luxo. Depends on how bad the "drag bug bites" I suppose.

My end goal is low key compared to many hunting big numbers. Somewhere around 170 to possibly 300rwkw (next year) but "not" at the expense of torque and mid range under any circumstances. Truth is, if I got to 150/60rwkw and another 100+ Nm torque to go with it, I'd be very satisfied as its "usable" belt in the back stuff for most situations.:diddy:

The VE Calais V comes standard with A6 and as I understand it, there is no option for manual even if you wanted one.

Pete

[SS Enforcer]

WTF do you mean A manual needs more power to catch an Auto :weirdo:

The other guys pretty much explained what I mean. I have seen autos with less power blow away manuals because they get the power down easier off the line and in a 1/4 mile race it's all over in the first 3-4 secs usually.

In Calaisriders case with his diff gears and the shifts tweaked his should be very sharp especially with the 6 speed. It would probably stay right up there at max torque for the whole 1/4.

There are guys like Markone and Oztrack that are better suited to comment on the merits of autos performing on the 1/4 but I am sure they would agree with me.

Cheers

[CalaisRider]

Nice results. I was lucky enough to have a quick look/hear of your Calais as Brad pulled back into PT after doing the exhaust. It sounded subtle yet still had some anger to it at idle. The colour also blew me away. It is the sort of colour that a brochure cannot do any justice to and I would never have considered that colour myself until seeing it in the flesh. You have a beauty there.

Thanks Vulture, nice feedback :bounce:

Yeh its hard to describe and even pic don't really do it justice as it changes so much with various light. I was shit scared as I ordered it colour sight unseen but thought it would be just that bit different to most around.

Best bit is it doesn't show the dust and dirt even when you have a fair bit on it - you may have noticed I used the washer/wipers to clean the screen on the day but the car itself looked almost clean as a whistle:bravo:

VooDoo was kind enough early days to post pics for me :bravo: and at the beginning he has put a link to (more) additional pics. For those interested here is the thread is http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=65056

Pete

[macca_779]

The other guys pretty much explained what I mean. I have seen autos with less power blow away manuals because they get the power down easier off the line and in a 1/4 mile race it's all over in the first 3-4 secs usually.

In Calaisriders case with his diff gears and the shifts tweaked his should be very sharp especially with the 6 speed. It would probably stay right up there at max torque for the whole 1/4.

There are guys like Markone and Oztrack that are better suited to comment on the merits of autos performing on the 1/4 but I am sure they would agree with me.

Cheers

I've been in OZTRACK's car so I know all to well what a good stall can do. A tricked up Auto is quick thats for sure. But my argument is against you saying that a stock A4 or A6 for that matter is quicker than a M6 with less power. Not so. It takes skill to launch a powerful manual. And there is a good proportion of people that drive these cars that have half an idea on how to race them. There are of course some that don't know what they're doing and tend to launch with to many revs and a hard clutch dump resulting in excessive wheel spin. These people make Auto's look quick.

[SS Enforcer]

Hmm Ok you take 2 stock cars dyno them both and the manual will have a higher rwkw figure correct ? Line em both up and the auto will be slightly quicker ar at the least they will be the same.

In the lsx series of engines lighly modded ones will equate to a 20 odd rwkw difference Therefore with less rwkw the auto will match the manual . Or you could simply state it in reverse.

I have seen lightly modded autos blow away cammed m6's this is not to say that will happen in all cases.

Markone2' LRC ran low 12's unopened

The Autos quicker. :teach:

cheers

[macca_779]

Mate read any comparison of any Holden/HSV in recent years and have a look at their tested times on the strip. Pretty much every time the manual comes out on top. With the VE the difference isn't so great as the AUTO has a couple more cogs these days. But the difference is still there. For example reading straight out of a Wheels Mag. A VE SSV M6 Pulls a 13.9@167. The A6 SSV pulls a 14.0@166. Learning how to launch an Auto is relatively easy. An M6 takes a lot more practice. But hey if these journo noobs can still pull a quicker time in a M6 over an A6. Then someone that drives one everyday will better it.

[markone2]

The answer is but a *click* away :yup: ........http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/timeslips.php? check out the 60ft times..


Mate read any comparison of any Holden/HSV in recent years and have a look at their tested times on the strip. Pretty much every time the manual comes out on top. With the VE the difference isn't so great as the AUTO has a couple more cogs these days. But the difference is still there. For example reading straight out of a Wheels Mag. A VE SSV M6 Pulls a 13.9@167. The A6 SSV pulls a 14.0@166. Learning how to launch an Auto is relatively easy. An M6 takes a lot more practice. But hey if these journo noobs can still pull a quicker time in a M6 over an A6. Then someone that drives one everyday will better it.

Not to accurate ……..given I’ve put a stock as a rock VX Calais complete with Hayman Reece down the ¼ at 13.7 :diddy:

[SS Enforcer]

Mate read any comparison of any Holden/HSV in recent years and have a look at their tested times on the strip. Pretty much every time the manual comes out on top. With the VE the difference isn't so great as the AUTO has a couple more cogs these days. But the difference is still there. For example reading straight out of a Wheels Mag. A VE SSV M6 Pulls a 13.9@167. The A6 SSV pulls a 14.0@166. Learning how to launch an Auto is relatively easy. An M6 takes a lot more practice. But hey if these journo noobs can still pull a quicker time in a M6 over an A6. Then someone that drives one everyday will better it.

Thanks mate you just proved my point .... the auto will have a lower rwkw thats what I have been trying to say all along. If you compare RWKW the auto will be quicker.

BTW one of the comparos had the VE auto and Manual doing the same 400m

cheers

[VE06]

Mate read any comparison of any Holden/HSV in recent years and have a look at their tested times on the strip. Pretty much every time the manual comes out on top. With the VE the difference isn't so great as the AUTO has a couple more cogs these days. But the difference is still there. For example reading straight out of a Wheels Mag. A VE SSV M6 Pulls a 13.9@167. The A6 SSV pulls a 14.0@166. Learning how to launch an Auto is relatively easy. An M6 takes a lot more practice. But hey if these journo noobs can still pull a quicker time in a M6 over an A6. Then someone that drives one everyday will better it.

macca, while there a valid points made for both manual and auto shifters, I'd steer clear from Wheels if you want to know accurate performance numbers due to the fact that they run "two-up" (driver and passenger in car when testing). Not ideal and not true indicator of a vehicle's performance potential. I'd stick with MOTOR which is far better at getting good numbers. According to their mag, SS A6 is fractionally quicker than the M6, in any case they can run 13.5's all day.

[macca_779]

Ok I give up yes the VE autos are quickish. But how about say a VX A4 vs a M6 you cannot possibly tell me the auto is quicker.

[VE06]

Ok I give up yes the VE autos are quickish. But how about say a VX A4 vs a M6 you cannot possibly tell me the auto is quicker.

no, the old auto is trash.

[macca_779]

thank you thats all I was trying to get across.

[markone2]

no, the old auto is trash.


Having pulled back to back 1.4 sixty footers outta that alleged *trash* auto.........not to mention 550 hard runs without misshap on a stock untouched A4................ I'd be somewhat inclined to disregard the above statement....unless of course you can point me in the general direction of any cam only M6 cars perfecting the same :diddy:

[VE06]

which is why if you buy a VX SS A4, you should chuck in a quick shift kit and redo all the ratios and stuff :)

[macca_779]

Having pulled back to back 1.4 sixty footers outta that alleged *trash* auto.........not to mention 550 hard runs without misshap on a stock untouched A4................ I'd be somewhat inclined to disregard the above statement....unless of course you can point me in the general direction of any cam only M6 cars perfecting the same :diddy:

Give me the same CAM, gears and tyres. And I'll do it in a Manual.

[VE06]

Having pulled back to back 1.4 sixty footers outta that alleged *trash* auto.........not to mention 550 hard runs without misshap on a stock untouched A4................ I'd be somewhat inclined to disregard the above statement....unless of course you can point me in the general direction of any cam only M6 cars perfecting the same :diddy:

not sure what you mean by 1.4 60 footers. What I'm talking about is shift quality, smoothness, intelligence and, when you want it, aggressive gear changes for better performance figures. Whereas the old auto thumps, clunks and hunts between gears, it was the bent eight's archilles heel.

[seldo]

Give me the same CAM, gears and tyres. And I'll do it in a Manual.
He's nibbling.....Just give him a little bit more line first....;)

[markone2]

not sure what you mean by 1.4 60 footers. What I'm talking about is shift quality, smoothness, intelligence and, when you want it, aggressive gear changes for better performance figures. Whereas the old auto thumps, clunks and hunts between gears, it was the bent eight's archilles heel.

It was untill........LSI Edit....and I promise you the only Thump you'll recieve from a wee ride in my A4 car is from your noggin when the G forces ram yer noodle hard back into the headrest :lol:..and the eyesballs follow suit ... .that Sir is a 1.4 launch :diddy:


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[Vulture]

Give me the same CAM, gears and tyres. And I'll do it in a Manual.

Well then, do it.

[Wonky]

no, the old auto is trash.
I'm sure you'll find that in VZ form HSVs were quicker to 400m in A4 than M6!

[Itchy_Feet]

Its good to hear people are getting into the ve's with eng mods and diff changes.

My understanding about autos/manuals was if both cars have the same Flywheel KW's an amature/inexperienced driver will be quicker in a auto because the auto does most of the work all you do is stall it up and pump the gas, however if you have a pro/drive who really knows the car a manual is faster because of the previously stated lower drive train losses and the fact the driver can run the engine to its best limits and then shift.

my 2c

[SS Enforcer]

Ok I give up yes the VE autos are quickish. But how about say a VX A4 vs a M6 you cannot possibly tell me the auto is quicker.

That is exactly what I meant and if the auto has same rwkw as the m6 it will toast it comfortably.

cheers


It was untill........LSI Edit....and I promise you the only Thump you'll recieve from a wee ride in my A4 car is from your noggin when the G forces ram yer noodle hard back into the headrest :lol:..and the eyesballs follow suit ... .that Sir is a 1.4 launch :diddy:


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1.4 60' time is a cracker. Best I could get from street radials was 2.1 with the m6. But I can't drive.


cheers

[seldo]

Its good to hear people are getting into the ve's with eng mods and diff changes.

My understanding about autos/manuals was if both cars have the same Flywheel KW's an amature/inexperienced driver will be quicker in a auto because the auto does most of the work all you do is stall it up and pump the gas, however if you have a pro/drive who really knows the car a manual is faster because of the previously stated lower drive train losses and the fact the driver can run the engine to its best limits and then shift.

my 2c
....That must be why all the fastest drag cars in all classes all the way to the top fuellers choose autos....

[VE06]

It was untill........LSI Edit....and I promise you the only Thump you'll recieve from a wee ride in my A4 car is from your noggin when the G forces ram yer noodle hard back into the headrest :lol:..and the eyesballs follow suit ... .that Sir is a 1.4 launch :diddy:


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until.............? until.....you MODIFIED it? :yup: :diddy:

[essess8]

heh lets get over the tranny debate :) personal preferance, the world doesnt start at a drag strip so who cares.... good work with ur car, wish i had the money atm to do fun things like that :( soon though...

[VE06]

I'm sure you'll find that in VZ form HSVs were quicker to 400m in A4 than M6!

dunno about that wonky, i thought that for every model up to the VE, the M6 would've been quicker (even though the M6 itself wasnt the last thing in fluency) but I guess the only way to really find out is get 2 identical VZ clubbys, one M6 and the other A6 and drag em.


heh lets get over the tranny debate :) personal preferance, the world doesnt start at a drag strip so who cares.... good work with ur car, wish i had the money atm to do fun things like that :( soon though...

personal preference for me is auto anyday. I know you can have some fun in manuals but getting I'm kinda sick of changing gears, i'd rather a..er, tiptronic auto (yes im getting lazy lol)

[Momo]

[quote=macca_779;782760]Give me the same CAM, gears and tyres. And I'll do it in a Manual.[/quote

Have you driven a manual down the track and run a quick number as in 11 second passes or quicker and what 60 ft did you get?

Because for starters manuals and autos have different gear ratios in the box so just the diff gearing when combined with an auto as opposed to a manual works out to be a different final drive ratio. Secondly with tyres MT ET Streets works extremely well on an auto but not as effectively on a manual. So your above comment is very unrealistic.

And an auto as much as i hate to say it being a manual driver , does take off quicker at launch than a manual with the same power or even a manual with more power as autos have the torque converter that manuals do not.

And your other comments of too many revs and a clutch dump is not how you drive and balancing wheel spin with bog, well that does not apply with all manuals even less with big cammed ones. If you have a big cam in a manual that comes in at 3500-4000rpm then you cannot be sliding out the clutch and trying to balance wheelspin at high rpm coz you will a) fry your clutch and b) if you dont give it big revs like 5000-6000 to launch the car when the cam is actually working then you will never run a quick number and by quick i mean 11-10 secs.

[essess8]

manuals can get a little tedius in heavy traffic i must admit that :) they should create something that makes your car a full manual with clutch when u want it and then press a button and the car takes over the clutch and gear stick so it becomes auto :) i think that would be cool lol

but anyway the threads about the dudes car :) not the trans i dont think...

[VE06]

manuals can get a little tedius in heavy traffic i must admit that :) they should create something that makes your car a full manual with clutch when u want it and then press a button and the car takes over the clutch and gear stick so it becomes auto :) i think that would be cool lol

kinda like Golf's DSG item?

[essess8]

maybe dunno what that is exactly....

[macca_779]

agreed its getting out of hand. Personally I'm not a huge fan of drag racing anyway, I find it a bit boring to be honest but it is a good way to asses a cars power. I don't get as much of a thrill out of it anyway. :drool: Drag racing at the start of a sprint race with 20 other blokes around you trying to get turn 1 first, now thats fun. I've competed in circuit racing and thats where the men get separated from the boys. Its more intense than strip racing and actually requires a bit of skill. Anyone can drive an auto in a straight line. :hide: Don't see any auto's running in circuit events that are worth a dam :driving: I kind of don't like the idea of a compression lock up into a wall and a stupid transmission not being in the gear i want when I want it. Thats got a lot to do with my manual bias.

[VooDoo]

agreed its getting out of hand. Personally I'm not a huge fan of drag racing anyway, I find it a bit boring to be honest but it is a good way to asses a cars power. I don't get as much of a thrill out of it anyway. :drool: Drag racing at the start of a sprint race with 20 other blokes around you trying to get turn 1 first, now thats fun. I've competed in circuit racing and thats where the men get separated from the boys. Its more intense than strip racing and actually requires a bit of skill. Anyone can drive an auto in a straight line. :hide: Don't see any auto's running in circuit events that are worth a dam :driving: I kind of don't like the idea of a compression lock up into a wall and a stupid transmission not being in the gear i want when I want it. Thats got a lot to do with my manual bias.

You sound EXACTLY like someone who doesnt understand drag racing at all. There is a lot of skill involved and racing the clock is harder than any human compeditor

[VE06]

maybe dunno what that is exactly....

here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

[CalaisRider]

agreed its getting out of hand. Personally I'm not a huge fan of drag racing anyway, I find it a bit boring to be honest but it is a good way to asses a cars power. I don't get as much of a thrill out of it anyway. :drool: Drag racing at the start of a sprint race with 20 other blokes around you trying to get turn 1 first, now thats fun. I've competed in circuit racing and thats where the men get separated from the boys. Its more intense than strip racing and actually requires a bit of skill. Anyone can drive an auto in a straight line. :hide: Don't see any auto's running in circuit events that are worth a dam :driving: I kind of don't like the idea of a compression lock up into a wall and a stupid transmission not being in the gear i want when I want it. Thats got a lot to do with my manual bias.

I don't know, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you see some tweaked A6s out on the track having a good crack at that as well as the drags. In manual mode with a tuned A6 the VE can be pretty damned responsive for track work too:yup: .

I have always been a manual lover but the A6 has totally changed my opinion.

[macca_779]

You sound EXACTLY like someone who doesnt understand drag racing at all. There is a lot of skill involved and racing the clock is harder than any human compeditor

Its hard in something thats got 3000HP but common its a piece of piss to race strip in a street car. See yellow lights press go pedal. Apply brakes when going under pretty lights. I do know theres more to it than that. But thats pretty much the basics
Harder than any human competitior :weirdo: Do you crack into a sweat and feel mentally drained after driving at 100% for lap after lap. While trying to get the most out of a car making every heal toe shift match revs exactly so you don't spear off the track. And also watch out for everyone else around you doing the same. huh you must be pretty ignorant to think that drag racing is harder.

[VooDoo]

lol, who said it was harder than a circuit?. I said racing a clock was harder than a human. The clock is far less forgiving. Try getting within 1 hundredth of a second time after time. At least with a circuit you can drop a second, pick it up next lap etc. If you stuff up a corner you can pick it back up again. When your running and its all over in 10 seconds its FAR less forgiving. You have no choice but to get it right or its all over. Launching correctly, car setup, 60 footers, tyre pressures all play a role. It can be as hard or as easy as you make it. Sorta like circuit racing huh....

[markone2]

Its hard in something thats got 3000HP but common its a piece of piss to race strip in a street car. See yellow lights press go pedal. Apply brakes when going under pretty lights. I do know theres more to it than that. But thats pretty much the basics
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Too easy....:rofl: post back yer time slips...:lmao:

[Vulture]

macca, you're 24 and you know it all. if it's so easy to run a good consistent time then surely it'd be snap to wheel your beast out to the drag strip and run a time comparable to any of the best here with your given mods. Up for the challenge? I used to think that drag racing was just pressing the go pedal after a stall but it is far more than that - thankfully I wasn't stupid enough to post my opinion publicly before I was educated otherwise.

[CalaisRider]

Macca your losin the battle. I suggest you put some more concrete evidence up. IMHO These are big boys of the forum you are talking to. VooDoo and markone2 good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[essess8]

how did this thread go so astray?

[CalaisRider]

how did this thread go so astray?

Who cares - its my thread and I am learning lots so am happy for it to continue!!!:bounce:

Pete

[macca_779]

fine my opinion is just that my opinion. This whole argument started because one guy was commenting that a stock A4 would post a quicker time than an equally powered M6. Now everything I know about driveline losses and using a clutch to deliver hard efecient launches while performing quick shifts goes against that. I know that if i drove two cars back to back one A4 one M6 with exactly the same engine power I'd run quicker in the M6. For those drivers that can't and aren't up to the challenge to learn, well stick to autos.

[CalaisRider]

fine my opinion is just that my opinion. This whole argument started because one guy was commenting that a stock A4 would post a quicker time than an equally powered M6. Now everything I know about driveline losses and using a clutch to deliver hard efecient launches while performing quick shifts goes against that. I know that if i drove two cars back to back one A4 one M6 with exactly the same engine power I'd run quicker in the M6. For those drivers that can't and aren't up to the challenge to learn, well stick to autos.

No probs - with the new A6 technology and ability to custom tune them, its all too sweet. Touche!! - unless you would like a bunch of us to come and witness your suprehuman powers with the clutch - all too happy to arrange if you would like!! Being a bit presumptuous here but Markone2 and my very basic mod Calaias against your manual :diddy:

Mark are you ok with this - lets put an end to this testosterone boys will be boys stuff - my Calais is stock weight so you definately have the weight advantage - plus that awesome maunual technique of yours; lets put the men in the arena!!!

Mark - just don't rip my potenzas to shreds!!!

Sounds like the makings of a great test and tune night!!! Waddya reken!!!

[seldo]

fine my opinion is just that my opinion. This whole argument started because one guy was commenting that a stock A4 would post a quicker time than an equally powered M6. Now everything I know about driveline losses and using a clutch to deliver hard efecient launches while performing quick shifts goes against that. I know that if i drove two cars back to back one A4 one M6 with exactly the same engine power I'd run quicker in the M6. For those drivers that can't and aren't up to the challenge to learn, well stick to autos.
So, apart from the torque multiplication of the torque-converter off the line, you reckon you can change gears faster than an auto.... maybe it's all that practise with your left-hand...;)

[BigJim]

fine my opinion is just that my opinion. This whole argument started because one guy was commenting that a stock A4 would post a quicker time than an equally powered M6. Now everything I know about driveline losses and using a clutch to deliver hard efecient launches while performing quick shifts goes against that. I know that if i drove two cars back to back one A4 one M6 with exactly the same engine power I'd run quicker in the M6. For those drivers that can't and aren't up to the challenge to learn, well stick to autos.

The VZ Clubsports are quicker in auto than the manuals by about 0.2 over 400m. This is not hear say it is fact. HSV official figures state this and all the mags that have tested them agree aswell. I also can state from fact that stock the best i could get out of my VZ clubbie M6 was 13.4 and there has been some stock auto ones at willowbank running 13.1 and my time was still better than what HSV rated the clubbie at over the 1/4 in a M6.

I also know that with then 400RWKW when i turboed my clubbie it would still be knowwhere near a auto with a big stallie running around 330RWKW. The auto would kick its ass everytime. Even big stallie cars around 300rwkw would still be as quick as a M6 with 400rwkw

[essess8]

sorry dude no offense intended, just sayin :):diddy:

[macca_779]

So, apart from the torque multiplication of the torque-converter off the line, you reckon you can change gears faster than an auto.... maybe it's all that practise with your left-hand...;)

certainly not quicker in a T56 a rip shifter would help a bit. In a T5 though I haven't timed it obviously but I tell you what it would be bloddy close. Remember i'm talking stock A4's here.

[CalaisRider]

The VZ Clubsports are quicker in auto than the manuals by about 0.2 over 400m. This is not hear say it is fact. HSV official figures state this and all the mags that have tested them agree aswell. I also can state from fact that stock the best i could get out of my VZ clubbie M6 was 13.4 and there has been some stock auto ones at willowbank running 13.1 and my time was still better than what HSV rated the clubbie at over the 1/4 in a M6.

I also know that with then 400RWKW when i turboed my clubbie it would still be knowwhere near a auto with a big stallie running around 330RWKW. The auto would kick its ass everytime. Even big stallie cars around 300rwkw would still be as quick as a M6 with 400rwkw

Holy shit Jim thats amazing - just goes to show that numbers are just that (brag factor) numbers - actual performance is where it is at!!! I'm realy pleased i didn't go down the raw numbers road!!:yup:

[seldo]

certainly not quicker in a T56 a rip shifter would help a bit. In a T5 though I haven't timed it obviously but I tell you what it would be bloddy close. Remember i'm talking stock A4's here.
I thought we are talking about LS1s with T56....and A4s, stock or not, it doesn't matter, you still can't change faster in a manual - not even you!

[macca_779]

no doubt but the difference in time between shifts has less effect over an ET than the loss of power through a stock conveter

[VooDoo]

no doubt but the difference in time between shifts has less effect over an ET than the loss of power through a stock conveter


Wrong. You can loose over a second in shifts on a M6 and pick up a second with a decent stally. DO a search on Torque multiplication. You might learn something

[CalaisRider]

Wrong. You can loose over a second in shifts on a M6 and pick up a second with a decent stally. DO a search on Torque multiplication. You might learn something

VooDoo I still remember our conversation at Carindale, I was totally oblivious to torque multiplication factor until then - thanks a million.

Men and others, stallies do a whole shitload more than many presume on face value.

Pete

[macca_779]

right so if i run a 12.9 then a stock auto can do a 11.9

[vyssbeast]

he said you CAN loose ... not you WILL loose ... use your head

[shaness8]

loose over a second with shifts maybe if u cant drive

[CalaisRider]

Macca

Do you want to take up the challenge offered previoiusly. You sound very confident that you can blow away my very basic mods VE Calais V with A6 (in full weight trim). Lets face it , I havent got too much rwkw and as such your manual technique and supposed bigger rwkw should leave me standin!!! But lets see on the night!!

Pete


right so if i run a 12.9 then a stock auto can do a 11.9

Get real a full second is a HUGE diference whan you are down that low in the fist plce and not even worth considering:lol:

[markone2]

right so if i run a 12.9 then a stock auto can do a 11.9

Firstly you need to try your prowless at a drag strip..not keyboard....

[SS Enforcer]

Hey macca why not come on the 21's to WSID for the private day. Enter your car and have a go. If not and you would like to spectate let me know and I will list you as one of my pit crew .

cheers


http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=66160

There we have a stock Vz m6 hsv running 13.4 whilst further on in the thread a stock auto VZ running 13.0

[VooDoo]

right so if i run a 12.9 then a stock auto can do a 11.9

There are a few unopened A4's doing 11's.

[Wonky]

dunno about that wonky, i thought that for every model up to the VE, the M6 would've been quicker (even though the M6 itself wasnt the last thing in fluency) but I guess the only way to really find out is get 2 identical VZ clubbys, one M6 and the other A6 and drag em.
No, you don't have to do that - HSV's own figures gave the VZ A4 as quicker than M6 because the first time I saw that on their own website I did a double take!

[macca_779]

Hey macca why not come on the 21's to WSID for the private day. Enter your car and have a go. If not and you would like to spectate let me know and I will list you as one of my pit crew .

cheers


http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=66160

There we have a stock Vz m6 hsv running 13.4 whilst further on in the thread a stock auto VZ running 13.0

Love to but I'll be in Melbourne. I'll get down to WSID soon enough. Got to sort out my traction issues first.

[seldo]

Love to but I'll be in Melbourne. I'll get down to WSID soon enough. Got to sort out my traction issues first.
Doesn't the knob on the end stop your hand slipping off....;)

[macca_779]

Doesn't the knob on the end stop your hand slipping off....;)

:rofl: funny ****er aren't ya

[Wonky]

:rofl: funny ****er aren't ya

Certainly had me chuckling!! :D

[Itchy_Feet]

....That must be why all the fastest drag cars in all classes all the way to the top fuellers choose autos....

Sorry for digging up the past but...Dont they use a manual shift kit, or is it still an auto? then again when you are doing sub 5 sec 1/4 there really isnt time to grab a manual stick is there.

[SS Enforcer]

Sorry for digging up the past but...Dont they use a manual shift kit, or is it still an auto? then again when you are doing sub 5 sec 1/4 there really isnt time to grab a manual stick is there.

Nope it's all 1 gear direct drive fed through a clutch pack that does all the work. Timers feed in the clutch on a pass usually taking about 3.2 secs to fully engage. Imagine trying to get the revs right with 8000 hp to launch it then shift gears ...... especially if it was a M6.
:woot: :woot:

cheers