Anyone For A GM LSX 9L Small Block that handles 2500 HP

[Blown 454 AWD]

Just found the new Adventra motor. :bounce:

Guess this changes a few things ay?

Available March 07

Bore 4.25 max Stroke 4.50 max 6 head bolts per cylinder (accepts 4 bolt production head to)

That size bore and stroke makes it 572.5 cu in max or 9.16 Litres

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2012.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2011.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2013.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2015.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2010.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2008.jpg

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2009.jpg

[Stevotski]

572 cu in.... that thing is INSANE !!!!!!!!!!!

[aperfectcircle]

:eek:

That would be a killer on fuel:yup:

[GETUTED]

is that an iron block???

[Blown 454 AWD]

is that an iron block???


Iron Block

Cheers

Steve

[Angeldust]

lol that is insane.

no substitute for cubic inches :bounce:

[RED R8]

Sorry mate don't like it I'm after something with a bit more torque..:stick:

[fatas]

i think it needs a gen TT next to it:yup: :lol: :bravo:
9.16lt twin turbo in a ve how good would that be !!!:bounce: :lol: :yup:
hey sonny here is your new block sell that one in the shop and get this :yup: :lol:

[seedyrom]

And after you've had one for a week Steve they'll be changing their logo to this:

http://upload.cainer.net//uploads/lsx.jpg

[harey]

:eek:

That would be a killer on fuel:yup:

Yeah thats the first thing that comes to mind :shiner: :rofl:

That sounds sooo good. :diddy:

[fatas]

who cares i think this thing would pull a manly ferry it would be
THE TORQUE MONSTER :yup:

[RED R8]

Dont let NickS see it he may crack out the cheque book.

[Alex81]

This motor with a pair of huge turbos hanging off it would make HP Heros interesting and farking nuts to drive. :yup: :yup: :banana:

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

pfff its not even injected :rolleyes:

[huggies]

am i missing something here ?(not trying to be a smart ass)
the 572ci has been available as a crate motor for ages from GM Performance 620hp outa the box for the street motor & the race version is 700+
or is the difference here its a LS series motor not a ZZ572

[darcy]

or is the difference here its a LS series motor not a ZZ572

Bingo.

This is based around LSx componentry. :)

[seldo]

Dont let NickS see it he may crack out the cheque book.
I can hear Nicks cheque-book writhing in pain already....
*ring, ring....ring, ring...* "Hello... that you Sonny?....Maaaate...can you do the sums on one of them new-fangled LSX blocks for me.....". "What's that..? What do you mean with single or twins....? Ooohhhh....I see......Hmmm....Bugga it ....let's go for broke...Just do it Sonny.....!"
Now....Parts for Sale:
One almost new 408 stroker etc.......
Hehe.... ;)

[stig]

That thing is a monster.

[Plan B]

And after you've had one for a week Steve they'll be changing their logo to this:

http://upload.cainer.net//uploads/lsx.jpg

:rofl: Very Good!

[Blown 454 AWD]

pfff its not even injected :rolleyes:


Bore 4.25 max Stroke 4.50 max 6 head bolts per cylinder (accepts 4 bolt production head to)


The part in brackets means you can bolt your top end on top of this block:)

[nikola]

And it's only US $2,500 in America.

But you can probably add another zero to the end of that amount for Australia for some odd reason.

[Blown 454 AWD]

:eek:

That would be a killer on fuel:yup:


No more than what I was using before

[Sonnymad]

Yeh baby ..!!! bring it on..I WANT ONE ! :yup:

[BigJim]

Does anyone know of a proposed cost of one of these blocks yet if they have a price. Iam definately interested subject to what they cost in the US.

This would be an awesome setup. Who needs turbos with this much cubes.

[IH84DS]

Sonny,

It's ok, but im really looking for something a little bigger. It's too small for my 180B dato.

Cheers

[Blown 454 AWD]

My source informed me that it comes as block and crank @ around $4 k, didn't ask if it was AUS$ or US$, was too stunned to ask all the right questions.

Had my cheque book out about to buy a 427 alloy cnc block with cnc heads that could take boost and was stopped in the nick of time by someone with this. :yup:

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[vyssbeast]

i met this guy with a h/c charged monaro ... said hes buying a 427 and charging it next year ... no all of a sudden that doesnt seem all that exciting compared to this thing ...

[BigJim]

My source informed me that it comes as block and crank @ around $4 k, didn't ask if it was AUS$ or US$, was too stunned to ask all the right questions.

Had my cheque book out about to buy a 427 alloy cnc block with cnc heads that could take boost and was stopped in the nick of time by someone with this. :yup:

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:


Jeezz at $4K even US i will definately be looking into it. If the entire top end of my LS1 can bolt on its a go. A set good heads and a mild cam this thing would rock. I could see an easy 400RWKW from a monster like this without trying. I can only imagine the torque it would produce.

Do you know what sort of crank is required and what sump. I gather GM Performance parts will most likely sell all associated hardware.

Iam keen as for one now.

Can you keep me informed of any concrete happenings with yours if your getting one as i will also like in on one.

Edit: Sorry just saw it might be $4K with crank. This is looking good. You could have this landed here for near $7K AUS if the figures are correct

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Would make the stroker option nice and cheap. I cant see this being so cheap though sounds too good to be true.

[BigJim]

Would make the stroker option nice and cheap. I cant see this being so cheap though sounds too good to be true.

I still think once you got the block and crank here then built it up, tuned and installed i think you could be looking at $25K but who knows until we see some exact prices on the block as $4K US does sound very cheap.

[ProVK]

With those big cubes, its going to take one mega set of heads and inlet setup to let it breathe. It wont be as simple as thowing the mild top end from a 5.7l onto this 9.0l Short Motor.

I would be wating the matching heads with the 6 bolt per cylinder clamping.

[Plan B]

I still think once you got the block and crank here then built it up, tuned and installed i think you could be looking at $25K but who knows until we see some exact prices on the block as $4K US does sound very cheap.


You’re right on the Money BigJim….. Almost!

The block is a little cheaper than 4k US.... I think it's more like 2.7k from memory. (Well, that’s what they told me at SEMA)

Then you'll have to ship it, pay GST ect.... So 4-5k AUD would seem about right for the early birds who step up to the plate prior to the surface deliveries.

Then the build would begin. It won't be cheap if you’re looking for the horsepower delivery as one would expect from such cubes.

As Justice R8’s Nanna once said; “It’s always the pioneers who get hit by the arrows and the settlers just take the land”

I’ve ordered 2… :)

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

I still think once you got the block and crank here then built it up, tuned and installed i think you could be looking at $25K but who knows until we see some exact prices on the block as $4K US does sound very cheap.

F**K ME!!! $25K!!!! If only I was the CEO of the place I work at!
I suppose that would be right after putting it together then upgrading the fuel system and driveline... Geez what kind of driveline could you use to handle that monster you would almost have to be looking in a CAT catalogue to find a diff and gearbox to handle that sort of torque wouldnt you??

[BigJim]

You’re right on the Money BigJim….. Almost!

The block is a little cheaper than 4k US.... I think it's more like 2.7k from memory. (Well, that’s what they told me at SEMA)

Then you'll have to ship it, pay GST ect.... So 4-5k AUD would seem about right for the early birds who step up to the plate prior to the surface deliveries.

Then the build would begin. It won't be cheap if you’re looking for the horsepower delivery as one would expect from such cubes.

As Justice R8’s Nanna once said; “It’s always the pioneers who get hit by the arrows and the settlers just take the land”

I’ve ordered 2… :)

When are they actually realeased and how can i look at ordering one from them. You got any contacts Pete that i should talk to and discuss.

[OUTAtheBloo]

Ok ill ask the silly question..

Will this engine actually fit in a commodore, or is there a bit of work to make it fit ?

Dan

[vyssbeast]

Then the build would begin. It won't be cheap if you’re looking for the horsepower delivery as one would expect from such cubes.


Not sure if i misunderstand but are you saying there is more involved to get power outta this thing besides just slapping it in there??

but imagine with abit of h/c work or a charger ... holy shit your talking 1000hp+ i think ...

[BigJim]

Not sure if i misunderstand but are you saying there is more involved to get power outta this thing besides just slapping it in there??

but imagine with abit of h/c work or a charger ... holy shit your talking 1000hp+ i think ...


I reckon with something of these cubes, 230s cam, dart heads and fast 90mm manifold setup i reckon you could be easy heading for 450rwkw plus and imagine the torque. Say goodnight to the transmission and diff at the track with good tyres. Drivetrain would need some severe upgrading

[dadem0n]

I was afraid you'd see this Jim :lol:

I wonder if this thing would still choke on a FAST and Darts?

Best you see Mr TBA about one of them new-fangled billet manifolds sir :bravo:

[Vulture]

Jeezz at $4K even US i will definately be looking into it. If the entire top end of my LS1 can bolt on its a go. A set good heads and a mild cam this thing would rock. I could see an easy 400RWKW from a monster like this without trying. I can only imagine the torque it would produce.

Jim, you're like a kid in a lollyshop! Wouldn't it need a VERY good set of heads with BIG valves? Plus I suppose you'd also be able to run a pretty savage cam and have it still pull down low.

[Blown 454 AWD]

You will note that the stroke is 4.5 inch and the bore is from 4 to 4.25 inch max, when I was told about this it was said over 500 cu in however, I grabbed the calculator and bingo, 572 jumped out with over 9 Litres.

Form what I see, most are going quite a bit smaller in cubes, then again one has to say here, if it take 2500 hp and you can have 572 cubes, then why not?

I haven't looked into seeing if there are any negatives in going so big, I can't see any yet.

Wednesday next week "Muddy McGrath" (Pete ) is back from Dubai, he's the chief engineer for Maritimo Off-Shore Racing, (that has run the last 4 years on Mainlube) they're ditching the twin diesels (with 37 ibs boost 1300 hp per motor) and building a couple of 550 big blocks with twin 3.3 whipples to replace the diesels for the coming year, they’re still running the 2 other cats with the twin Lambo’s in as well, I'll bounce it off him and get the gospel.

Red Bellies Racing team is also running Mainlube next year.

Cheers

Steve

[fyreblade2000]

Hmmmm,

572cui LSX, AWD Phantom Mica Series II HSV GRANGE with a 6L80E or 4L80E Auto........

:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

[v-comp]

I was afraid you'd see this Jim :lol:

I wonder if this thing would still choke on a FAST and Darts?

Best you see Mr TBA about one of them new-fangled billet manifolds sir :bravo:

Why thank you sir (and yes, the development has already started;) )

[chops]

4.25 inch bore and 4.5 inch stroke gives me 510 cid.
572 cid would require a 4.5 inch bore and stroke.

Nonetheless, 8 lites plus would be NICE.

[Dug]

Yeh baby ..!!! bring it on..I WANT ONE ! :yup:

Alright, Since you asked so nicely, we'll let you go out and get one.

[seldo]

4.25 inch bore and 4.5 inch stroke gives me 510 cid.
572 cid would require a 4.5 inch bore and stroke.

Nonetheless, 8 lites plus would be NICE.
That's what my calculation says too...

[Blown 454 AWD]

That's what my calculation says too...

Yah me to now, (sounded good before:lol: )

I used this site to calculate

http://www.1728.com/diam.htm

Now when I put it in again, it gave me your reading;) before it said 71.569 now I get 63.838

Still better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick.

Took yahs a while to pull me up :moon: :lol:

[seldo]

Yah me to now, (sounded good before:lol: )

I used this site to calculate

http://www.1728.com/diam.htm

Now when I put it in again, it gave me your reading;) before it said 71.569 now I get 63.838

Still better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick.

Took yahs a while to pull me up :moon: :lol:
Bah! Pfft! Who cares anyway - let's just say it's a big mutha...;)

[Justice R8]

You will note that the stroke is 4.5 inch and the bore is from 4 to 4.25 inch max, when I was told about this it was said over 500 cu in however, I grabbed the calculator and bingo, 572 jumped out with over 9 Litres.

Form what I see, most are going quite a bit smaller in cubes, then again one has to say here, if it take 2500 hp and you can have 572 cubes, then why not?

I haven't looked into seeing if there are any negatives in going so big, I can't see any yet.

Wednesday next week "Muddy McGrath" (Pete ) is back from Dubai, he's the chief engineer for Maritimo Off-Shore Racing, (that has run the last 4 years on Mainlube) they're ditching the twin diesels (with 37 ibs boost 1300 hp per motor) and building a couple of 550 big blocks with twin 3.3 whipples to replace the diesels for the coming year, they’re still running the 2 other cats with the twin Lambo’s in as well, I'll bounce it off him and get the gospel.

Red Bellies Racing team is also running Mainlube next year.

Cheers

Steve

A lot of the offshore guys are using these with the twin whipple
http://www.mercuryracing.com/products/sterndrives/large_hp1075sci.php

There was one used in Botany Bay last weekend for the World waterski selection races. It was the only blown boat,Twin whipples against 30 twin turbo big blocks. The twin whipple won.

[APCLB]

Just found the new Adventra motor. :bounce:

Guess this changes a few things ay?

Available March 07



http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/sema2012.jpg



So does this mean we'll see the Adventra finished around June,July Steve? :D
Gotta luv the Camaro :drool:

[Blown 454 AWD]

somewhere there :)

[wagnman]

My god! :eyes:
I need one in the wagon!
Imagine the sound of one of those with a filthy cam and 8 throttle induction!
How much is the block mate?

[Sonic_Brew]

Come on... 9L!

Capacity just keeps increasing. 6L is borderline too much, where is it going to stop.
I hope Australia takes note of some jap cars and realises it does'nt need 6L+ to make power.

[GETUTED]

Come on... 9L!

Capacity just keeps increasing. 6L is borderline too much, where is it going to stop.
I hope Australia takes note of some jap cars and realises it does'nt need 6L+ to make power.

"6L is borderline too much" Why????? There are a variety of different size motors to suit all tastes. If you don't like it don't buy it. :teach:

[monaroCountry1]

Capacity just keeps increasing. 6L is borderline too much, where is it going to stop.
I hope Australia takes note of some jap cars and realises it does'nt need 6L+ to make power.

Increasing displacement is a bit like increasing boost.................more air bigger bang.

Some like boost some with a bigger engine...............some here prefer bigger engine + more boost (now thats crazy :))

[Sonic_Brew]

"6L is borderline too much" Why????? There are a variety of different size motors to suit all tastes. If you don't like it don't buy it. :teach:

I would'nt buy it.

It just seems like they take the easy road and increase capacity. Look at jap cars easily pushing 260kw with just over 2L in a 4 banger.
Put some more r&d into refinement and engineering and there is no reason why we shouldnt be driving factory 300kw+ 3L V8s. But then again petrol is dam cheap these days!

Sorry to hijack the thread, its just been bugging me how capacity just keeps increasing. Each to their own, and i respect all your opinions.

[German Statesman]

I would'nt buy it.

It just seems like they take the easy road and increase capacity. Look at jap cars easily pushing 260kw with just over 2L in a 4 banger.
Put some more r&d into refinement and engineering and there is no reason why we shouldnt be driving factory 300kw+ 3L V8s. But then again petrol is dam cheap these days!

Sorry to hijack the thread, its just been bugging me how capacity just keeps increasing. Each to their own, and i respect all your opinions.

My 2c worth - big capacity is the reliable, long term life way to get horsepower. Yeah, you can get massive power out of small capacities, but that increases the stresses on the engine to make that power, and the engines become fragile and wear quicker.

Big capacity, easy power, long durability.

Cheers

JOHN

[chops]

And it leaves room for those that want to add forced induction themselves!!!!

[Vulture]

It just seems like they take the easy road and increase capacity. Look at jap cars easily pushing 260kw with just over 2L in a 4 banger.
Put some more r&d into refinement and engineering and there is no reason why we shouldnt be driving factory 300kw+ 3L V8s. But then again petrol is dam cheap these days!

Sorry to hijack the thread, its just been bugging me how capacity just keeps increasing. Each to their own, and i respect all your opinions.

These sorts of arguments are non-events. You could also argue that winding up the boost on a small motor is also taking the easy road. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter how you get the power as long as it is reliable and drivable. I'd rather drive a 400rwkw large capacity motor than a 400rwkw small, big boost motor - which one do you think is the more drivable and hence faster in most circumstances?

Making power out of small capacity naturally aspirated motors takes MONEY. That is why some German manufacturers are currently avoiding boost in their premium models. They want to make the high tech NA motor a feature piece of their lineups. Hence the new 6.2L Benz motor, the 5.0L V10 in the M5 and the new V8 in the M3. Audi are in on the game as well with the RS4. It's almost as though they are saying "Look what we can do without turbos or superchargers".

For the rest of us there are fewer options and large capacity is one of the best ways to bring power to the masses. Would you have big power available only to those with big wallets? It is a kind of snobbery to snear at capacity as one solution to reliable power.

[VT LS1]

I would'nt buy it.

Look at jap cars easily pushing 260kw with just over 2L in a 4 banger.
.

Useing the same amount of fuel as a 6l V8.......

[Sonic_Brew]

Useing the same amount of fuel as a 6l V8.......

a 6l V8 using the same amount of fuel as a 2l 4cyl both making 260kw? I dont see the logic... :hmmm:

[monaroCountry1]

a 6l V8 using the same amount of fuel as a 2l 4cyl both making 260kw? I dont see the logic...


Simple more boost = more air = more petrol = bigger injectors. If you dont have enough petrol then you simply lean out and ping like hell = engine goes BANG!!!

My 3LTT consumes around 65L per 350km..............I mosty do highway.

[427]

The word is the block will be 2500 american. the 9.250 deck won't release until March is the word. The 4.5 stroke is for the 9.8 tall deck that does not have a release date or price point yet. This will be very nice with 30psi of boost!!

Kurt

[chops]

Thanks for the info Mr W2W.

[harey]

I would'nt buy it.

It just seems like they take the easy road and increase capacity. Look at jap cars easily pushing 260kw with just over 2L in a 4 banger.
Put some more r&d into refinement and engineering and there is no reason why we shouldnt be driving factory 300kw+ 3L V8s. But then again petrol is dam cheap these days!

Sorry to hijack the thread, its just been bugging me how capacity just keeps increasing. Each to their own, and i respect all your opinions.

If everyone did things the same way it would be boring. Different strokes for different folks. To be honest there are plenty of forums to read about smaller engines with turbos. This aint one of em.

[lamont]

Thats rediculous capacity
2 much for me
but...Put it in my ute with twins hanging off it...another story

[427]

No problem. I will try and post when we actually see product hit the streets.

Kurt
Thanks for the info Mr W2W.

[fyreblade2000]

Come on... 9L!

Capacity just keeps increasing. 6L is borderline too much, where is it going to stop.
I hope Australia takes note of some jap cars and realises it does'nt need 6L+ to make power.


One word...CUBES :yahoo: and lots of it!

[monaroCountry1]

Capacity just keeps increasing. 6L is borderline too much, where is it going to stop.
I hope Australia takes note of some jap cars and realises it does'nt need 6L+ to make power.

So what if it has a large cube engine. Its reliable, cheap to mod, user and mech friendly, powerful, light, compact and has tons of torque.


Japanese mechanic to his Australian counterpart.............
"whats torque?"

[Sonic_Brew]

Simple more boost = more air = more petrol = bigger injectors. If you dont have enough petrol then you simply lean out and ping like hell = engine goes BANG!!!

My 3LTT consumes around 65L per 350km..............I mosty do highway.

Bare with me if i sound like an ass... :doh:

are you saying that a 400hp 2L 4cyl will get the same km/L as a 400hp 6L v8?
I know its a bit hard to answer given so many variables, but i think you know the jist of my question.

[Thumper]

Here's a video of the block with an interview with the design engineer. WARNING It's 8 minutes long. Price quoted was US$2-2.5K. Available March 07.
http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/f3578794-284a-4b5c-8119-9897016876f5.htm

[spank]

will a hollinger six speed and harrop 9" diff handle this thing or what, would be nice in the GTO with dart heads 240 something cam and harrop 8tb inlet manifold :burnout:

[RedVYIISS]

Bare with me if i sound like an ass... :doh:

are you saying that a 400hp 2L 4cyl will get the same km/L as a 400hp 6L v8?
I know its a bit hard to answer given so many variables, but i think you know the jist of my question.

Assuming they're pulling the same weight, the answer is basically yes. 400 Hp requires enough fuel to make 400 Hp.... whether it's in a turbo 4 banger or a lazy eight.

Smaller engines typically get better fuel economy as they don't produce as much power and don't get from A to B as quickly. The better economy has nothing to do with the engine simply being smaller.

In day to day driving, it's quite probable that a 400 Hp 6L V8 would actually produce better fuel economy figures than a 400 Hp 4 banger as it'd have a bigger torque spread and better specific fuel efficiency at normal road speeds / low rpm (ie lightly loaded).

You see this quite often with boats. The hull has a certail speed where it's most comfortable and travels best. A correctly sized engine running at say 3/4 of max revs will produce much better fuel efficiency than an undersized engine running at 90 plus % of max revs (and will last a lot longer too).

Hope this makes sense.

[GETUTED]

why has this thread turned into a 2L V 6L discussion :hmmm: :sleep:

[[J]]

Assuming they're pulling the same weight, the answer is basically yes. 400 Hp requires enough fuel to make 400 Hp.... whether it's in a turbo 4 banger or a lazy eight.

Smaller engines typically get better fuel economy as they don't produce as much power and don't get from A to B as quickly. The better economy has nothing to do with the engine simply being smaller.

In day to day driving, it's quite probable that a 400 Hp 6L V8 would actually produce better fuel economy figures than a 400 Hp 4 banger as it'd have a bigger torque spread and better specific fuel efficiency at normal road speeds / low rpm (ie lightly loaded).

You see this quite often with boats. The hull has a certail speed where it's most comfortable and travels best. A correctly sized engine running at say 3/4 of max revs will produce much better fuel efficiency than an undersized engine running at 90 plus % of max revs (and will last a lot longer too).

Hope this makes sense.

Couldnt have said it better mate!

*Slaps mallet on desk*, "This court is adjourned, ruling in favor of cubes!"

Sparky

[harey]

In day to day driving, it's quite probable that a 400 Hp 6L V8 would actually produce better fuel economy figures than a 400 Hp 4 banger as it'd have a bigger torque spread and better specific fuel efficiency at normal road speeds / low rpm (ie lightly loaded).

You see this quite often with boats. The hull has a certail speed where it's most comfortable and travels best. A correctly sized engine running at say 3/4 of max revs will produce much better fuel efficiency than an undersized engine running at 90 plus % of max revs (and will last a lot longer too).


I dont agree that on the street a 400 Hp 6L V8 would get better fuel consumption than a 400 Hp 4 banger. You could very easily drive around in the 4cyl without boost getting almost normal 4 cyl consumption. This is driving fairly sedately. A mix of a bit of hard driving with mostly normal driving would also see the 4 banger using much less fuel.

However, around a race track yes they would get very similar fuel consumption.

Regarding your boat example, cars dont quite work the same, you dont often sit on 3/4 of max revs or 90%!!

[427]

Looks like the price will be 1900.00 US. The block is still on schedule for March delivery. Can't wait to see the power that this unlocks!!

Kurt

[Mick_540]

NOT the same block, but I'm running a Haddad-built 540 cube big block chev with a Vortech V7 and with Autronic EFI in my other car (70 camaro). Big cubes with boost is fairly awesome, even though mine is only running a miniscule 10lb at 6500rpm. This engine made 850hp and 767ftlb and has run 10.03 at 138mph a couple of years ago. Street driven. Haddads know their stuff, let me assure you!! Will post a pic if somebody can tell me how .........

[BIGDAO]

I'll buy one eventually. There is no replacement for displacement.