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[seldo]

Practise :

Caterpillar Grand Finale - 2006 VCS, Round 13
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice



Practice P6 135 Mins Scheduled Start 13:15PRELIMINARY RESULT Page 1 Issue 1 SPI03AStart Sat Dec 9 00:15Elapsed Time 02:15:02__________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________________
Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap
1 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 5000 26 24 1:33.7385*
2 16 Toll HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 5000 29 26 1:33.7430 0:00.0045
3 5 Ford Performance Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 27 27 1:34.3876 0:00.6491
4 88 Triple Eight Race Engineering Jamie Whincup Ford Falcon BA 5000 26 23 1:34.5903 0:00.8518
5 1 Caltex Racing Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 28 28 1:34.6461 0:00.9076
6 55 Autobarn Racing Steve Owen Holden Commodore VZ 5000 23 23 1:34.6720 0:00.9335
7 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 30 1:34.7298 0:00.9913
8 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 27 1:34.7747 0:01.0362
9 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 27 1:34.7933 0:01.0548
10 18 APVC Racing Will Davison Ford Falcon BA 5000 29 27 1:34.8018 0:01.0633
11 7 Jack Daniel's Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 27 1:34.8054 0:01.0669
12 4 Jeld-Wen Motorsport James Courtney Ford Falcon BA 5000 29 29 1:34.8857 0:01.1472
13 15 Toll HSV Dealer Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 29 27 1:34.9960 0:01.2575
14 888 Triple Eight Race Engineering Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 27 1:35.0105 0:01.2720
15 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Dean Canto Holden Commodore VZ 5000 29 28 1:35.1042 0:01.3657
16 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Lee Holdsworth Holden Commodore VZ 5000 26 26 1:35.2017 0:01.4632
17 51 Supercheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 28 1:35.2425 0:01.5040
18 17 FirstRock Home Loans Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 29 26 1:35.4873 0:01.7488
19 25 Fujitsu Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 29 1:35.4880 0:01.7495
20 10 WPS Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 28 1:35.5437 0:01.8052
21 67 Team Sirromet Wines Paul Morris Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 30 1:35.7013 0:01.9628
22 50 Supercheap Auto Racing Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VZ 5000 28 27 1:35.7433 0:02.0048
23 12 Team BOC John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 29 29 1:35.7977 0:02.0592
24 8 WPS Racing Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 30 1:35.8216 0:02.0831
25 14 Team BOC Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 29 1:35.9513 0:02.2128
26 23 Tasman Motorsport Andrew Jones Holden Commodore VZ 5000 29 26 1:35.9550 0:02.2165
27 11 Jack Daniel's Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 5000 28 24 1:35.9636 0:02.2251
28 39 Team Sirromet Wines Shane Price Holden Commodore VZ 5000 30 28 1:35.9739 0:02.2354
29 20 Glenfords AEG Racing Marcus Marshall Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 20 1:36.5103 0:02.7718
30 021 Team Kiwi Racing Tony Evangelou Holden Commodore VZ 5000 29 21 1:37.3755 0:03.6370
31 26 Fujitsu Racing Jose Fernandez Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 25 1:37.7316 0:03.9931
Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 171kph, 105% Of First 1 Is 1:38.4254
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________Issue# 1 - Printed Fri Dec 8 16:03:53 2006 Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results (http://www.natsoft.com.au/results) & Dorian DATA-1 Timing by V8 Supercars & Melbourne University Car Club Inc.

[OLS108]

Come on Rick :woot:

[JT]

it's tight between Ricko & Lowndes

[csv rulz]

Go Rick,
But look who is just in front of him, Didnt courtney take kelly out last round?

[dazzle260]

GO LOWNDSEY! makes for a brilliant last round! .020 of a second between them!

[seldo]

Caterpillar Grand Finale - 2006 VCS, Round 13
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Qualifying



Qualifying Q4 40 Mins Scheduled Start 11:10PRELIMINARY RESULT Page 1 Issue 1 SPI09AStart Sat Dec 9 22:10Elapsed Time 40:00_____________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________________
Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap
1 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 7 6 1:34.2348*
2 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 6 1:34.3634 0:00.1286
3 16 Toll HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 5000 8 7 1:34.4022 0:00.1674
4 888 Triple Eight Race Engineering Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 8 8 1:34.5579 0:00.3231
5 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 5000 7 6 1:34.6556 0:00.4208
6 15 Toll HSV Dealer Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 9 7 1:34.7200 0:00.4852
7 18 APVC Racing Will Davison Ford Falcon BA 5000 8 7 1:34.7693 0:00.5345
8 5 Ford Performance Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 7 1:34.7869 0:00.5521
9 4 Jeld-Wen Motorsport James Courtney Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 5 1:34.8234 0:00.5886
10 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 5000 9 7 1:35.0592 0:00.8244
11 7 Jack Daniel's Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 7 1:35.2462 0:01.0114
12 88 Triple Eight Race Engineering Jamie Whincup Ford Falcon BA 5000 5 4 1:35.3548 0:01.1200
13 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Dean Canto Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 7 1:35.5137 0:01.2789
14 55 Autobarn Racing Steve Owen Holden Commodore VZ 5000 8 8 1:35.5503 0:01.3155
15 51 Supercheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 9 1:35.7028 0:01.4680
16 1 Caltex Racing Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 6 1:35.7630 0:01.5282
17 25 Fujitsu Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 8 1:35.8650 0:01.6302
18 50 Supercheap Auto Racing Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 10 1:35.9996 0:01.7648
19 11 Jack Daniel's Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 5000 9 8 1:36.0233 0:01.7885
20 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Lee Holdsworth Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 9 1:36.1292 0:01.8944
21 23 Tasman Motorsport Andrew Jones Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 7 1:36.2675 0:02.0327
22 17 FirstRock Home Loans Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 9 1:36.3297 0:02.0949
23 20 Glenfords AEG Racing Marcus Marshall Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 5 1:36.3404 0:02.1056
24 8 WPS Racing Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 4 1:36.3459 0:02.1111
25 39 Team Sirromet Wines Shane Price Holden Commodore VZ 5000 9 5 1:36.4729 0:02.2381
26 12 Team BOC John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 10 1:36.4876 0:02.2528
27 10 WPS Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 8 1:36.5332 0:02.2984
28 14 Team BOC Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 9 6 1:36.6567 0:02.4219
29 67 Team Sirromet Wines Paul Morris Holden Commodore VZ 5000 10 10 1:37.0229 0:02.7881
30 021 Team Kiwi Racing Tony Evangelou Holden Commodore VZ 5000 11 10 1:37.4205 0:03.1857
31 26 Fujitsu Racing Jose Fernandez Ford Falcon BA 5000 11 9 1:37.8812 0:03.6464
Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 170kph, 105% Of First 1 Is 1:38.9465
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________Issue# 1 - Printed Sat Dec 9 11:59:35 2006 Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results (http://www.natsoft.com.au/results) & Dorian DATA-1Car 88 missed scales - prior laps excl. Timing by V8 Supercars & Melbourne University Car Club Inc.

[JT]

Caterpillar Grand Finale - 2006 VCS, Round 13
PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Shoot Out


Qualifying Q5 1 Laps
Scheduled Start 12:10
PRELIMINARY RESULT

Page 1 Issue 1 SPI10A
Start Sat Dec 9 23:10
Elapsed Time 28:00


__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________
Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 1 1 1:34.1747*
2 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 5000 1 1 1:34.4167 0:00.2420
3 16 Toll HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 5000 1 1 1:34.4215 0:00.2468
4 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:34.5675 0:00.3928
5 888 Triple Eight Race Engineering Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:34.6344 0:00.4597
6 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 5000 1 1 1:34.7271 0:00.5524
7 5 Ford Performance Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:34.9052 0:00.7305
8 18 APVC Racing Will Davison Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:34.9993 0:00.8246
9 15 Toll HSV Dealer Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 5000 1 1 1:35.0851 0:00.9104
10 4 Jeld-Wen Motorsport James Courtney Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:35.0909 0:00.9162

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 170kph
Current Practice Record Is 1:32.5121 Set On 24/03/2001 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore VX
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________
Issue# 1 - Printed Sat Dec 9 12:39:45 2006 Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63342353 www.natsoft.com.au/results & Dorian DATA-1
Timing by V8 Supercars & Melbourne University Car Club Inc.

[OLS108]

Rick is down the List... he better hope for some Good Pit Stops today

[Carby650]

Any updates on the race peoples. I know it is close to being finished. Just keen to know how Rick is doing.

[Blown Monaro]

Race results
1 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:00.1350 3 1:36.1290
2 16 Toll HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:01.5818 11 1:36.1728
3 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:11.3835 4 1:36.5157
4 888 Triple Eight Race Engineering Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 23 38:12.0027 11 1:36.5800
5 15 Toll HSV Dealer Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:13.9472 9 1:36.7995
6 18 APVC Racing Will Davison Ford Falcon BA 23 38:14.3859 4 1:36.7232
7 5 Ford Performance Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 23 38:14.9093 10 1:36.8659
8 7 Jack Daniel's Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:17.7460 4 1:37.0878
9 4 Jeld-Wen Motorsport James Courtney Ford Falcon BA 23 38:18.3798 14 1:36.6116
10 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 23 38:21.5536 11 1:36.5183
11 55 Autobarn Racing Steve Owen Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:32.6560 8 1:37.4814
12 51 Supercheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:32.8917 11 1:37.4596
13 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Dean Canto Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:35.4910 11 1:37.4350
14 1 Caltex Racing Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 23 38:35.6396 9 1:37.0822
15 50 Supercheap Auto Racing Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:36.6517 7 1:37.3451
16 11 Jack Daniel's Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:39.9033 13 1:37.6116
17 25 Fujitsu Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 23 38:41.0240 11 1:37.6473
18 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Lee Holdsworth Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:41.5385 12 1:37.5977
19 17 FirstRock Home Loans Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 23 38:43.7143 12 1:37.7989
20 8 WPS Racing Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 23 38:47.4749 13 1:37.7577
21 10 WPS Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 23 38:49.8739 18 1:37.9536
22 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:51.5792 5 1:36.6792
23 39 Team Sirromet Wines Shane Price Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:54.5183 13 1:37.7218
24 12 Team BOC John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 23 38:55.5852 9 1:37.9150
25 67 Team Sirromet Wines Paul Morris Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:55.8674 16 1:37.7303
26 88 Triple Eight Race Engineering Jamie Whincup Ford Falcon BA 23 39:02.6658 10 1:36.6619
27 14 Team BOC Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 23 39:06.3503 13 1:38.4039
28 021 Team Kiwi Racing Tony Evangelou Holden Commodore VZ 23 39:18.0684 16 1:38.8672
29 26 Fujitsu Racing Jose Fernandez Ford Falcon BA 22 38:39.2430 4 1:39.2608
30 23 Tasman Motorsport Andrew Jones Holden Commodore VZ 18 38:10.4112 15 1:37.8117
DNF 20 Glenfords AEG Racing Marcus Marshall Ford Falcon BA 8 36:07.3188 8 1:37.4585

[Carby650]

Race results
1 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:00.1350 3 1:36.1290
2 16 Toll HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:01.5818 11 1:36.1728
3 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:11.3835 4 1:36.5157
4 888 Triple Eight Race Engineering Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 23 38:12.0027 11 1:36.5800
5 15 Toll HSV Dealer Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:13.9472 9 1:36.7995
6 18 APVC Racing Will Davison Ford Falcon BA 23 38:14.3859 4 1:36.7232
7 5 Ford Performance Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 23 38:14.9093 10 1:36.8659
8 7 Jack Daniel's Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VZ 23 38:17.7460 4 1:37.0878


Not that I would ever encourage this :hide: but wouldn't it be a shame if GT blew the start tomorrow with Lowndes sitting right behond him. :D

[BossV8]

Go Lowndesy

I think it is a bit iffy if someone can win a racing championship without winning many races if at all, in this case Rick Kelly. And yes, that goes for Ingall last year too. There should be a far greater points advantage for winners to encourage all to go for the win

[goofafidamedes]

Go Lowndesy

I think it is a bit iffy if someone can win a racing championship without winning many races if at all, in this case Rick Kelly. And yes, that goes for Ingall last year too. There should be a far greater points advantage for winners to encourage all to go for the win

That anomaly is being fixed next year with a revamped points system.

[seldo]

:lmao: Did anyone else notice that Lowndes name is mis-spelt in each of the 4 places it appears on the car? Some-one is dyslexic.... It isn't spelt Lnowdes, but it's there in letters a foot high....:lmao:

[Dilan]

:lmao: Did anyone else notice that Lowndes name is mis-spelt in each of the 4 places it appears on the car? Some-one is dyslexic.... It isn't spelt Lnowdes, but it's there in letters a foot high....:lmao:


OMG you are sooooooo right....its a shame that it is intentional. :fewl: :lmao:

[seldo]

OMG you are sooooooo right....its a shame that it is intentional. :fewl: :lmao:
Oh really? Says who....

[SS Enforcer]

:lmao: Did anyone else notice that Lowndes name is mis-spelt in each of the 4 places it appears on the car? Some-one is dyslexic.... It isn't spelt Lnowdes, but it's there in letters a foot high....:lmao:

Ooops someone made a boo boo, really a bit 2nd rate imho .


cheers

[kenz]

Its promoting the NOW (L NOW des) phrase from vodafone which is 888's new sponser for next year. You can also notice the vodafone logo in the O :driving:

[seldo]

Its promoting the NOW (L NOW des) phrase from vodafone which is 888's new sponser for next year. You can also notice the vodafone logo in the O :driving:
Ok...If you say so....Seems a very convoluted way of achieving it....But I guess we are discussing it....

[BlownVR]

I see Nat made an appearance... :hide:
Only 3 points in it now. Hope the racing tomorrow is clean and hard and Kelly has good pace :driving:

[GEN III]

I see Nat made an appearance... :hide:

why is that a big thing? Is it regarding a rumor I have heard about him recently?

[BlownVR]

Yeah... and previous threads on the topic have been locked up :lock: But I think my comment was ok since it was about a fact and not a rumour.
Anyway back to the racing...

[OLS108]

I like too think that Craig just cant spell, after all he did Live in Deception bay for a few years :werd:

[Souljah]

Carn' Lowndesy!

[FPV GTHO]

I like too think that Craig just cant spell, after all he did Live in Deception bay for a few years :werd:

And of course Lowndes is personally responsible for the livery on his car.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/latestnews/newsdisplay.asp?gid=22380827&ind=M

[OLS108]

And of course Lowndes is personally responsible for the livery on his car.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/latestnews/newsdisplay.asp?gid=22380827&ind=M

I guess Comedy isn't your Strong Point... But then again... you do own a Ford;)

[FPV GTHO]

I guess Comedy isn't your Strong Point... But then again... you do own a Ford;)

Thats all news to me

[BLKCV8]

I guess Comedy isn't your Strong Point... But then again... you do own a Ford;)

I think you mean comedy is his strong point ............ for he does own a Ford.

[GEN III]

No one has said anything about the new wheels on the #2 HRT Car.

I quite like them. Gives it a more, TOCA look about the cars.

Though I still just like the old 5 spoke as well.

Dont have any pics maybe someone will up.

[eric]

Kelly & clownes equal on points after race two BRING ON THE BIFF in race three:box:

[Aus8]

Go Lownedsie! Tanders black flag is sure to bring contraversy but he was warned and as soon as he went the gap craig put on Rick in only a few laps proved he is alot faster.

What a cracker of a third race this will be!

Cheers

Aus8

[eric]

Just saw the interview with tander he is not a happy chappy:flamin:

[spank]

best i could find, of the new oz racing 16 spoke wheel which im told will be the new wheels for the ve racecars, and of lownde's logo
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/lnowndes.jpg

[Aus8]

Just saw the interview with tander he is not a happy chappy:flamin:

The good thing for us is Rick will be forced to race Lowndes now and both will be flat out hammer and tong instead of positions being let through and slowed down etc. Will be great for us viewers.

Cheers

Aus8

[Mikhael]

Originally posted by BLOWNVR
(quote) "I See Nat made an appearance...
Only 3 points in it now. Hope the racing tomorrow is clean and hard and Kelly has good pace" (end quote).

[Aus8]

I see Nat made an appearance...
Only 3 points in it now. Hope the racing tomorrow is clean and hard and Kelly has good pace



The points are level and there is no racing tommorrow. Last race is 1535 ESDT today.

Cheers

Aus8

[Aeron]

What a great round!!!

I hope Lowndes can bring it home ahead of PRick in race 3 to win the Championship. :dancenana:

[Carby650]

Just saw the interview with tander he is not a happy chappy:flamin:

Is anyone able to expand on what happend to GT.
Are they (being the stewards) suggesting some skullduggery.

[VX SS]

Kellys a bloody cheat ruined the entire race taken out lowndes car

[`redoctober]

Kellys a bloody cheat ruined the entire race taken out lowndes car
What happened mate? I missed it.

[team illucid]

Kellys a bloody cheat ruined the entire race taken out lowndes car

you're kidding ... looked like an overdefence of his line from Craig ... where was Kelly meant to go - into the dirt on the right?

[VX SS]

you're kidding ... looked like an overdefence of his line from Craig ... where was Kelly meant to go - into the dirt on the right?

What line he was in front of him already in the corner, or do you think the stewards black flagged him for nothing

[xploit]

poor LNOWDES.. hahha

[ssgirl2]

Not the race we were hoping for. Hope it comes back to bite him before the flag.

SS :)

[team illucid]

What line he was in front of him already in the corner, or do you think the stewards black flagged him for nothing

... rick was going down the right, craig moved across, they touched ... that's it I think.

[BA$TAD]

Well not really suprised by the result to be honest, i never expected Kelly to play fair (he's never been a clean driver unlike Todd) and AVESCO have the champion they want. Goodluck to them all, I won't be watching V8SC anymore after this farce of a season. Kelly will win the champsionship but his win will be remembered by him pushing Lowndes off the track to get it. Nice one.

[Aus8]

R KELLY U R A $%$ %^&T. What a disgraceful way to win a championship!

[team illucid]

Well not really suprised by the result to be honest, i never expected Kelly to play fair (he's never been a clean driver unlike Todd) and AVESCO have the champion they want. Goodluck to them all, I won't be watching V8SC anymore after this farce of a season. Kelly will win the champsionship but his win will be remembered by him pushing Lowndes off the track to get it. Nice one.

I wouldn't count on it ... if Kelly wins, 83 will protest this and be handed the chamionship most likely.

[maloo_]

Well not really suprised by the result to be honest, i never expected Kelly to play fair (he's never been a clean driver unlike Todd) and AVESCO have the champion they want. Goodluck to them all, I won't be watching V8SC anymore after this farce of a season. Kelly will win the champsionship but his win will be remembered by him pushing Lowndes off the track to get it. Nice one.

And you drive a ?

[Carby650]

I would like to have an UNbiased version of what happened from somebody please.

[BA$TAD]

And you drive a ?

doesn't matter what i drive (or sorry what i did drive ;) ), it was shown plain and clear what happened. Rick is a cheat plain and simple. Hope Karma comes back and bitch slaps him hard.

[Aus8]

I drive a VU SS and I still blame Rick. Whats that matter.

[BA$TAD]

I wouldn't count on it ... if Kelly wins, 83 will protest this and be handed the chamionship most likely.

I hope not, i'd rather the championship to be decided on the track not in a tribunal. Kelly can have the championship but how he got it should be remebered.

[superoo]

Regardless of the outcome now, it's just a really poor way for such a closely run championship to end.

[gofaster]

Well what do you expect from someone who doesn't race to win. :jester:

[Frankster_P]

If kelly is allowed to keep the championship, think of it as some payback for that project blueprint crap the Ford teams whinged about.

[fantz]

interesting to see you guys in aggreance. i love a good race, and being even at the last race of the year, it was going to be a cracker. to take his own brother out, and the joint leader to win, is pathetic. i hope this is rectified post race, but i feel for lowndes, he deserved this years win.


If kelly is allowed to keep the championship, think of it as some payback for that project blueprint crap the Ford teams whinged about.
that's a pretty pointless argument.

[Aus8]

If kelly is allowed to keep the championship, think of it as some payback for that project blueprint crap the Ford teams whinged about.

LOL you cant be serious. Parity is good. Do you want to go back 10 years earlier when the EF's had to have their Aero shaved down, or did you convenientley forget that? Works both ways mate.

[Carby650]

Can somebody actually explain what happened instead of just bitchin!!

[team illucid]

3.619 GB of bandwidth to watch 1 race over the Internet ... damn.

[Justice R8]

What line he was in front of him already in the corner, or do you think the stewards black flagged him for nothing

Totally agree. Disgraceful driving by Rick Kelly in race 3 and Garth Tander in Race 2. Tander claimed fuel pressure prob but after he got the bad sportmanship flag and Rick had caught up, surprise surprise, he managed to get back on the pace.

Bad display by the whole Toll HSV team. There was a comment from the commentators that Rick kelly was told by the team they dont need the car for next year so win it or bin it.

Roland Dane should played by the same dirty tactics as Toll HSV have used by instructing Wincup to take out rick kelly with their second car.

[CeeVee8]

Rick Kelly wins the 2006 Manufactured Championship.

[The Nurse]

Can somebody actually explain what happened instead of just bitchin!!

Carby, heading down to turn 4 on lap 3, Lowndes was in second, Rick third

Rick had a bit of momentum on Craig, Tried to make a move on Lowndes they came together Lowndes spun into Todd who was leading. It's one of those incidents that'll be argued about for a long time. Anyone that thinks it was intentional probably needs to relook at the incident

[Vee7+1]

Can somebody actually explain what happened instead of just bitchin!!

Tod 1st, Craig 2nd, Rick 3rd, going into the harpin before siberia.
It appears Craig covered the corner well, Rick makes contact Craig spears into Tod with both cars spinning mid corner. Rick drives through (given black flag penalty later). As the pack drives around the two stranded cars Craig gets hit hard near RF wheel giving him huge tow out. Consequently Craigs laptimes are 4 sec off the pace and has to pit 4 (?) times to keep swapping tyres which are shredding temselves.

[CeeVee8]

Yes it probably was not intentional but even the risk to his own car made it a stupid thing to do.

[fantz]

The 888 car had pace a-plenty going into race 3. ahhhh... i'm upset. i know a lot of you guys have a soft spot for lowndes too, for obvious reasons. with the points system changing next year, i doubt RK will have any chance of winning it again, based on his 'round wins' this year.

referring to this thread, from the blue oval forum:


These quotes are so refreshing, IT SHOWS THAT NO MATTER WHAT BRAND YOU CHOOSE TO DRIVE, ALL AUSSIES BELIEVE IN A FAIR GO, AND KNOCKING SOMEONE OFF IS JUST NOT ON.

[Carby650]

Carby, heading down to turn 4 on lap 3, Lowndes was in second, Rick third

Rick had a bit of momentum on Craig, Tried to make a move on Lowndes they came together Lowndes spun into Todd who was leading. It's one of those incidents that'll be argued about for a long time. Anyone that thinks it was intentional probably needs to relook at the incident

Yes its hard to imagine a drver DELIBERATLY taking out another driver to win the championship when they need to finsh the race themselves. If Rick didn't need to finish them people might have some argument. Not seeing the incident myself. (will be on TV soon as I'm in Perth) it apears that whilst Rick made an error (hence the black flag) it was not a deliberate act. So why are some carring on about it being deliberate.

[redss]

I think its awsome how there are so many drivers on here that can drive better than Rick Kelly. Top marks go to all who can judge a foot worth of car overlap at roughly 180km/h, in the heat of battle, on full anchors heading into a corner.

For what's it's worth, I thought it was a stupid move. BUT, that's still different to cheating. And here I was thinking there was a motor race involved...

Congratulations to Rick Kelly. He was consistent all year - hence he has a Championship. Commiserations to Craig Lowndes. Of all the Ford drivers, he is probably the one that Holden fans would have most accepted as a 'Blue Oval Champion'.

[The Nurse]

I think its awsome how there are so many drivers on here that can drive better than Rick Kelly. Top marks go to all who can judge a foot worth of car overlap at roughly 180km/h, in the heat of battle, on full anchors heading into a corner.


Exactly, I'm no Rick Kelly fan, but those 32 guys out there do an awesome job and they are human, and god forbid they makes mistakes. I'm sure Rick Kelly is feeling pretty bad about the whole thing right now, you could see it on the slow down lap, but nothing can change what will happen. What happens if 888 protest and Lowndes awarded the championship, im sure Lowndes wouldn't want to win it that way either. It's sport and anything can happen

[BigJim]

Thats motor racing. Shit happens. Get over it and move on.

I also didnt mind if lowndes won but he didnt.

Bring on next years racing

[Aeron]

Ricks driving was shocking. The officials will not hand the Championship to Craig no matter what the outcome is from their discussions. It was set up to be the best race of the year - better than Bathurst, and then Rick punts Lowndes off. Shame!!

If Holden are happy to win the Championship like that, so be it, but the fans know who the winner should be.

[BF XR8]

Can somebody actually explain what happened instead of just bitchin!!
Into turn 4 R Kelly punted C Lowndes into the back of T Kelly turning them both around and then W Davidson T-Boned CL stuffing up the RHS steering arm.

[JimmyXR6T04]

I think its awsome how there are so many drivers on here that can drive better than Rick Kelly. Top marks go to all who can judge a foot worth of car overlap at roughly 180km/h, in the heat of battle, on full anchors heading into a corner.

For what's it's worth, I thought it was a stupid move. BUT, that's still different to cheating. And here I was thinking there was a motor race involved...

Congratulations to Rick Kelly. He was consistent all year - hence he has a Championship. Commiserations to Craig Lowndes. Of all the Ford drivers, he is probably the one that Holden fans would have most accepted as a 'Blue Oval Champion'.

Kelly consistent?? at what?? 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc etc... didn't win many.. Sure he was consistently in the top ten, but it'll be good to see the points system change. No point in pushing the car too hard when you can be in the top ten and still win the championship.

Poor form on Kelly's behalf. He should have let his driving do the work, not his aggression to get past lowndes within the first few corners.. he had all race to try and get past, he didn't have to bump and barge in the first couple of corners..

[VX SS]

I would make some points.
1) Rick Kelly was told they didnt need the car back after this race.

2) The fact that he was blacked flagged after the incident means the stewards feel he had been at fault in the incident.

3) The video shows quite clearly that Lowndes was on that line and didnt move across at the last moment, it was obvoius bad judgement on Kellys part.

[fantz]

we'll just wait and see what happens post race.

[MickNugent]

Once again after watching the v8 series i leave feeling ripped off. I just want to see the fastest\best racers get rewarded and they always get the opposite.

I used to watch it religously but now i only watch it when ive got nothin else to do because of all the stupid decisions that are made.

I just cant believe that someone can win a championship after only winning one race all year.

[Cav]

What sort of racing have we got down to now?

Craig against everyone else.

Skaife blocked him in race one - caution only
Skaife moved over and punted Craig off the circuit - no penalty.
Tander blocked Craig in race two - caution.
Tander blocks more - black flagged.

Race three, Kelly told to win it or bin it.

He did.

He punted Craig off the track.

Is a drive through enough of a penalty?

Is this how we win championships now?

The crowd was right "Shame Holden Shame!"

Craig is the better driver and has a faster car than Kelly - but he was not given a fair go by Kelly, Tander and Skaife. They did everything they could to see that Craig did not win.

Is this car racing?

I don't think so.

If the crowds are down next year.
If the TV audience is down next year (how dare they loose Channel 10 who have done so much for the sport1).

Blame Holden

Shame Holden Shame

[CarlFST60L]

Im sick of this one eye'd sh!t, its rubbish, i think lowdes is great, i know that the cars are 'the same' so its really about drivers, but everyone still gets caught up in the arrogant Holden/Ford rubbish, and im really tired of the one eyed Channel 10 coverage, along with all the one eyed Holden and one eyed Ford supports...

Its time to grow up :vpo:

[VL Executive]

Also, Blame Tony cochrane and all the other "geese" for stuffing up V8 Supercar racing.

[shane W Z]

What A COMPLETE FARCE as blooming usual little mister talentless rich boy gets away with it while the real talents suffer (by the way i am a holden fan i hate rick kelly.

[YIIR8]

Thats motor racing. Shit happens. Get over it and move on.

I also didnt mind if lowndes won but he didnt.

Bring on next years racing

Girls.....see above comments :moon:

[Carby650]

I would make some points.
1) Rick Kelly was told they didnt need the car back after this race.

2) The fact that he was blacked flagged after the incident means the stewards feel he had been at fault in the incident.

3) The video shows quite clearly that Lowndes was on that line and didnt move across at the last moment, it was obvoius bad judgement on Kellys part.

Being at fault and deliberately commiting the offence are 2 different things. give me a driver who has never made a mistake!! They all do. It is a shame it happened but the talk here in that it was some sort of diliberate act or something is wrong.
Being told that they didnt need the car back after the race also means nothing.
Sorry but I too would've like it to be decided differently too but this is the way it turned out.

[kart_racer]

First of all, it was a shame for the championship to be ultimately decided the way it was, a shame for Lowndes to lose it the way he did, and a shame for the way Rick's first championship will be remembered.

I do not, however, believe it fair to say Rick cheated. I do not believe Rick punted Lowndes intentionally, it wasn't a hard hit and was just enough to get Lowndes out of shape under heavy braking. Evidently Rick was going to try for a pass at that corner, and once committed to braking late, couldn't pull his car up enough when Lowndes moved in front of him.

It was not Rick's fault that Lowndes spun into Todd. Had Todd not been there Lowndes would have run wide, but most likely not spun. Rick could not have known that Lowndes would end up facing the wrong direction on the track, and that Will Davison would have hit him and bent his steering arm.

Rick and Craig did a great job to be where they were at the end of the championship. What happened is simply one of the parts of motor racing that drivers and fans don't like, but cars will spin when on the limit of adhesion and mechanical parts will bend when hit with such impact.

The stewards applied the penalty that has been agreed on, and has been consistently applied to this incident for the past few years.

Rick Kelly, Toll/HSV Racing and Holden are the 2006 V8 Supercar Champions. And that's what the history book will show.

[redss]

Kelly consistent?? at what?? 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc etc... didn't win many.. Sure he was consistently in the top ten..

Yep, last time I checked, that was the basic meaning of consistent. I never said he was consistently first!

On your argument, shouldn't we then be crowning either Tander or Skaife. I think it was them who had both won 7 races. Yep, a much more deserved champion:confused:

Bring on the new points system... until then I guess Rick gets to go:moon: ...:lol: :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

dam, there is some one eyed supporters :lol:

[Aeron]

It was not Rick's fault that Lowndes spun into Todd.

How do you work that one out mate?? Rick hit Lowndes - Lowndes car spins............................................. ......that tells me that it was Ricks fault. You even said that he hit him. It wasn't Lowndes fault that he spun. If Rick didn't hit him he would have been fine. :vpo: :vpo: :vpo: :vpo:

It could have been such a good race and THE BEST driver was going to win. But did he....? I guess we'll never know.

[MickNugent]

Im sick of this one eye'd sh!t, its rubbish, i think lowdes is great, i know that the cars are 'the same' so its really about drivers, but everyone still gets caught up in the arrogant Holden/Ford rubbish, and im really tired of the one eyed Channel 10 coverage, along with all the one eyed Holden and one eyed Ford supports...

Its time to grow up :vpo:

One eyed channel 10 coverage? Would seem you dont have any "eyes" at all...

[pagey]

Just got off the fone to the 888 crew... will be interesting.. it aint over yet.

my personal view.. much the same as VXSS.. very poor team display from Toll.. skaifes i had no issue with..

RE - Justice.. damn i was hoping to see Whincup shoot through from 20mts back and spear r.Kelly too ;)

also.. i have no probs with someone winning by being consistant.. they all began the season understnding the same rules.. i don't agree with the points system.. but you race to suit the system.

[shep]

Thats motor racing. Shit happens. Get over it and move on.

I also didnt mind if lowndes won but he didnt.

Bring on next years racing

If you have nothing to say, then why bother.

[motomk]

Ok, I know everybody gets emotional but please keep it real, if I have to delete what was written earlier I will be giving holidays out.
I don't mind a bit of emotion but some of the writing is going too far.

motomk

[BLKCV8]

I guess everyone can say and claim what ever they like. The facts are that Rick Kelly has been crowned 2006 champion, and it will remain that way. Time to look forward to the VE racer next year, new driver line ups ect.

[strife]

rick gave the same sort of tap that lowndes gave to tander

boo hoo

[pagey]

rick gave the same sort of tap that lowndes gave to tander

boo hoo

ahh.. wonderful insight from one of our esteemed leaders :fewl:

[Carby650]

rick gave the same sort of tap that lowndes gave to tander

boo hoo

Just saw it on TV.
I've seen worse things this year not be given any penalty. Lowndes on Garth Tander in race 2 at Wanneroo this year coming into the main straight is one which comes to mind straight away. People need to get of their high horses. There was not much in that at all.
Well done Rick. you drove to the points system and won. didn't hear the Fraud boys complaining last year when Ingall won the championship by winning only one race.

[fantz]

ahh.. wonderful insight from one of our esteemed leaders :fewl:

lol! yes the 'same' tap... because i remember tander flying off then getting collected a couple of times, changing the outcome of the whole championship.... oh wait, no i don't.

[GTS LSA]

Well All I can say is a humble SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET:bow: :bow :bow: :eyes: :eyes: :dancenana: dance :xmas: 1peek: 1peek: :moon: :moon: :love2::love2: :idea: :driving: :driving: ;) ;) :flip3: :flip3: :o :dance:dance: :nopity: :nopity: nopity: :shiner: :shiner: shiner: :bawl: :bawl: : :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket:


THATS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fantz]

[QUOTE=HRT GTO;788485]Well All I can say is a humble SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET:bow: :bow :bow: :eyes: :eyes: :dancenana: dance :xmas: 1peek: 1peek: :moon: :moon: :love2::love2: :idea: :driving: :driving: ;) ;) :flip3: :flip3: :o :dance:dance: :nopity: :nopity: nopity: :shiner: :shiner: shiner: :bawl: :bawl: : :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket:


:banghead:

[VooDoo]

The incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-evTsJjYE

[fantz]

Just saw it on TV.
I've seen worse things this year not be given any penalty. Lowndes on Garth Tander in race 2 at Wanneroo this year coming into the main straight is one which comes to mind straight away. People need to get of their high horses. There was not much in that at all.
Well done Rick. you drove to the points system and won. didn't hear the Fraud boys complaining last year when Ingall won the championship by winning only one race.

are you getting it ?

THIS INCIDENT DECIDED THE ENTIRE OUTCOME OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP. That is why it deserved better scrutiny. anyway i give up, have fun guys.

[OLS108]

OMG.... Kelly Nudged Lowndes ?????? that must be the First time Ever two cars have came in contact with each other ????
Its Racing have a Cry and go to bed.:dancenana:

[BLKCV8]

OMG.... Kelly Nudged Lowndes ?????? that must be the First time Ever two cars have came in contact with each other ????
Its Racing have a Cry and go to bed.:dancenana:

Tissues available here.

[OLS108]

Tissues available here.

http://www.medco-school.com/images/products/65600L.jpg

[spank]

Just saw it on TV.
I've seen worse things this year not be given any penalty. Lowndes on Garth Tander in race 2 at Wanneroo this year coming into the main straight is one which comes to mind straight away. People need to get of their high horses. There was not much in that at all.
Well done Rick. you drove to the points system and won. didn't hear the Fraud boys complaining last year when Ingall won the championship by winning only one race.

exactly, the biggest problem here is the inconsistant decisions by the stewards, no wonder me and most of my mates refused to go to any round this year even with free tickets on offer !its just too frustrating, i dont believe that rick deserved a drive thru for todays incident, (i personallly would have called it a racing incident because of craigs track posiston and how late he braked and in the end it didnt harm him because of the subsequent damage to craigs car) and other times drive thru isnt given for a lot worse, rick worked the system just like ingall did, so if anyone is to blame for winning a championship with only one win its avesco for not making a win woth more points.

[fantz]

OLS108: posting msgs on ford forums such as:


BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA Suck shit to Lowndes to Dbay Sipshit
and for the Lowndes lovers amoung us ?

*tissue box picture*



shows your true colours perfectly.

[spank]

are you getting it ?

THIS INCIDENT DECIDED THE ENTIRE OUTCOME OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP. That is why it deserved better scrutiny. anyway i give up, have fun guys.

every incident decides on the championship, just because it is the last race of the year dont mean the incident itself should be any more important than any other thru the year or the championship itself

[fantz]

every incident decides on the championship, just because it is the last race of the year dont mean the incident itself should be any more important than any other thru the year or the championship itself
many incidents indirectly affect the championship yes. this 100% decided the outcome. i think that's a very good reason for it to be treated and reacted to more dilligently.

[OLS108]

shows your true colours perfectly.

Yep, all Red :dancenana:

[RARASV8]

ity's not the FIRST time and wont be the last time, that a car racing for the same piece of road touches another car trying to have that same piece of track!!!!
back in the early SKYLINE days, JIM RICHARDS driving a BMW tapped GLENN SETON driving a NISSAN SKYLINE, spinning SETON and JIM sliding thru to win the CHAMPIOPNSHIP.

M SCHUMAKER punting off DAMON HILL in ADELAIDE to win the F1 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
damm i wanted to be their BUT....


and to think just 1 corner throughout the year made the championship go one way or the other is just CRAP. through out the year many taps and penaltys were handed out for much worse and also less, its called RACING

Garry

[Aeron]

I wish Todd won the Championship. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

[OUTAtheBloo]

An absolutely dissapointing way to end a championship.

Hopefully lowndes can come through with the goods next year.

Dan

[team illucid]

When all said and done, Lowndes got Bathurst, and I know what I would rather say I won to my grandkids...

[spank]

many incidents indirectly affect the championship yes. this 100% decided the outcome. i think that's a very good reason for it to be treated and reacted to more dilligently.

my only gripe, and this goes for both holden and ford, is that the decisions made by the officials are not consistant, as i said a lot worse has been let go, the decision to black flag kelly had lownde's car not been damaged would have guaranteed lowndes the win, if the decision itself was to determine the championship, but they quickly handed down the penalty (which in the end idnt mean much) and that was that

[Ricky]

I have followed Rick since his 1st season in the V8's so wrapped he won it and what could be done? He got a drive through for what was considered an illegal move, he did his drive throw and managed to finish ahead of Lowndes who sadly had a damaged car after. Happens at least once every race to other drivers so why is this to be viewed any different.

Sure it ultimatly on the day decided the championship but what about all the other incidents that have happened through out the year, they all in some way directly effect the outcome.

I see both sides of the story but its done and Holden fans are lucky enough to come out with a new champion. Roll on 2007 and the VE.

[BLKCV8]

OLS108 you will need to apply your image at the bottom of every page...........this is so sad, i think i am going to cry.

[YIIR8]

The incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-evTsJjYE

yep...lowndes tried to cut kelly off :nyuk: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kaos346]

yep...lowndes tried to cut kelly off :nyuk: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lowndes was legal, Kelly had no chance of pulling it off, resulting in contact which ultimately sealed the championship for Kelly. It was an accident, unfortunate, but true. I am a Lowndes fan, but having reviewed the incident, I have to accept that it is just 'one of those things'....

[UTE346]

congrts rick kelly and the toll team a good consistint year as for the nudge that is all part of racing as far as im concerned in the heat of racing thats what happens it not like craig as never pushed any one out of the way it just seems that that is the way he drives and it is all good for him if the positions where reversed he would have done the same thing but we will never no so again well done rick

[BigJim]

If you have nothing to say, then why bother.

I had plenty to say and you read it. :fewl: You must be another who cant cope with the result. :moon: :flip2:

[GTS LSA]

if it was any other race in any other round no one would give a red rats raw ares.............................................. ............................................

BUT .............. we win SO............... NA NA NA NA NA .............Bout time someone won on skill.............not sonsorship or brand.............................BRING IT ON .................. WE CAN TAKE IT................................HSVDT RULE.......................... .....................................R KELLY SHOULD HAVE WON SANDOWN & BATHURST.......................................... .......................................... :woot: :demon: :bs:

AT THE END OF THE DAY .............Prodigy or nor prodigy........BROCKY WOULD HAVE SAID..........................THATS RACING......and the best MAN ......WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05...............................maybe ........15

[The Warden]

Having watched the tape it wasn't much of a tap....

I like Lowndes as a driver and a bloke and all, but he would have a hard job complaining too loudly about that.

This season I've seen him smack more backsides than a midwife......

[gsw]

I wish Todd won the Championship. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

Yep he is the only driver in the HRT/HSV teams that can hold his head up high after todays sham. I have always had respect for him and today confirms that.

[vh-holden]

if it was any other race in any other round no one would give a red rats raw ares.............................................. ............................................

BUT .............. we win SO............... NA NA NA NA NA .............Bout time someone won on skill.............not sonsorship or brand.............................BRING IT ON .................. WE CAN TAKE IT................................HSVDT RULE.......................... .....................................R KELLY SHOULD HAVE WON SANDOWN & BATHURST.......................................... .......................................... :woot: :demon: :bs:

AT THE END OF THE DAY .............Prodigy or nor prodigy........BROCKY WOULD HAVE SAID..........................THATS RACING......and the best MAN ......WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05...............................maybe ........15

i decoded the morse code in the dots, and that was hard to understand too....

[GTS LSA]

See below









Good to see the FORD guys supporting TODD.............................Bout time:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow::sucks:


i decoded the morse code in the dots, and that was hard to understand too....

get a grip:1peek:

[X BC X]

wow, what a round.... :dancenana:

its funny how alot of people carry on about one 'incident' in the last race of a championship......but forget the numerous 'incidents' throughout the year.

imo, let it be, or have a FULL review on every 'incident' throughout the season, and have numerous teams protest decisions etc etc and come to a conclusion of the champion from that.... :rolleyes:

well done rick....bad luck craig....merry xmas to all :xmas:

[VooDoo]

2006 V8 SUPERCAR CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES, ROUND 13, PHILLIP ISLAND, VIC

UPDATE 3

Matters arising from Race 3:
The following cars/drivers received a Pit Lane Penalty as determined by the Stewards:
* Car #15, Rick Kelly (careless driving involving car #888, Craig Lowndes)
* Car #10, Jason Bargwanna (infringement involving car # 20, Marcus Marshall)

The following cars/drivers were displayed the Bad Sportsmanship Flag:
* Car #11, Paul Dumbrell (blocking)

The IPO investigated whether any further penalty was appropriate for Car #15, Rick Kelly.
A Protest was lodged with the Stewards by Triple 8 Race Engineering, Car #888 against the inadequacy of the penalty imposed on Car #15, Rick Kelly.

As at 18:15 hours on the 10th December 2006, these matters remain outstanding. It is likely that the matters will be determined by the Stewards this evening.

[BigJim]

This is getting interesting. Though i doubt the championship will be overturned. It certainly would be a hollow result for lowndes if it was taken off Rick. It really was just a racing incident and if it had happened 5 rounds earlier nothing would have been said. I didnt mind either way who won it Lowndes or Kelly, i just wanted to see good racing.

Edit: Though it was good to see a Holden win the season

[GTS LSA]

imo, let it be, or have a FULL review on every 'incident' throughout the season, and have numerous teams protest decisions etc etc and come to a conclusion of the champion from that....





It is likely that the matters will be determined by the Stewards this evening.
Today 07:39 PM

In the words of a once great man ......*beurocracy is BS"............. I like VOODOO's monika,,,, better.................sometimes we bounce of the rev limitor.....some times we :kneel: etc

[nosman]

hahahaha :sucks: Fordies......:flip2:

[Aeron]

Nothong will change. They aren't going to take the championship off Rick. It will not happen.

[strife]

ahh.. wonderful insight from one of our esteemed leaders :fewl:


get a life comment from a race watcher....

[Mikhael]

First of all, it was a shame for the championship to be ultimately decided the way it was, a shame for Lowndes to lose it the way he did, and a shame for the way Rick's first championship will be remembered.

I do not, however, believe it fair to say Rick cheated. I do not believe Rick punted Lowndes intentionally, it wasn't a hard hit and was just enough to get Lowndes out of shape under heavy braking. Evidently Rick was going to try for a pass at that corner, and once committed to braking late, couldn't pull his car up enough when Lowndes moved in front of him.

It was not Rick's fault that Lowndes spun into Todd. Had Todd not been there Lowndes would have run wide, but most likely not spun. Rick could not have known that Lowndes would end up facing the wrong direction on the track, and that Will Davison would have hit him and bent his steering arm.

Rick and Craig did a great job to be where they were at the end of the championship. What happened is simply one of the parts of motor racing that drivers and fans don't like, but cars will spin when on the limit of adhesion and mechanical parts will bend when hit with such impact.

The stewards applied the penalty that has been agreed on, and has been consistently applied to this incident for the past few years.

Rick Kelly, Toll/HSV Racing and Holden are the 2006 V8 Supercar Champions. And that's what the history book will show.


GEE MATE, FOR A 19 YEAR OLD YOU SURE MAKE ALOT OF SENSE AND PUT SOME OF THE GIRLS COMMENTS ON HERE TODAY TO SHAME !!

THANKS FOR A GOOD POST :bravo:

[dazz5.7]

Far from the worst incident ever in V8 Supercars. A typical 'racing' incident that has happened hundreds of times before. Sometimes you come out ok, sometimes you don't.

My 2c'

Dazz

[vecommo]

Oh Boo Hoo, somebody go and deliver those pathetic whinging sore losers at the Ford Forum a B-Double load of Kleenex tissues.

From what I saw, it was nothing more than an ordinary racing incident. Lowndes moved over on Rick Kelly and braked hard, leaving Rick with nowhere to go. Many such incidents have occured throughout the season without anyone giving them as much as a second thought. To suggest that it was deliberate and pre-meditated is bordering on ludicrous.

Some people seem to have short memories....Anybody remember Ingall taking out Skaife, or Ambrose taking out his opponents a number of times in a similar fashion? Ford supporters seemed to think that was ok, but how is this any different? I smell hypocrisy here.

At the end of the day Rick Kelly won the championship and that is that. I feel no sympathy for Lowndes whatsoever.....racing is a tough and unforgiving sport, you win some you lose some.

Congratulations Rick Kelly.

[GTS LSA]

:kneel:




1/ R KELLY.......................... HSV.... DONT JUST WANT 1...... GOT ONE ........................U DA MAN



2/ C Lowndes ................................has been ........... in holden clothing.................:moon:


3/ Winterbottom........................... watch out......here he comes....:box:

[SS Enforcer]

Well thats roundy roundy racin that sort of stuff happens every race in Nascar worst place to be is at the front and up on points.

If you lose on drag racing you can only blame your tuner,yourself or the starter.

A holden wins V8 supercars for 2006 ..... thats the way it will read forever, as the cricketers say it must have been as it's in the scorebook.


cheers :xmas:

[GTS LSA]

[QUOTE][Well thats roundy roundy racin that sort of stuff happens every race in Nascar worst place to be is at the front and up on points.

If you lose on drag racing you can only blame your tuner,yourself or the starter.

A holden wins V8 supercars for 2006 ..... thats the way it will read forever, as the cricketers say it must have been as it's in the scorebook.


/QUOTE]


DAMN GOOOOOOOOOOD POINT.....:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[matt.vzss]

I like lowndes as a driver but i beleive that the slight rub that rick gave him didnt even deserve to get a drive thru. If that had happened at the first race of the season nothing would have been done about it.

For people to say because it was the last race of the it should be judged differently is a load of crap. If that had been skaife or bright or any other driver there wouldnt have been an issue at all, its only that it was rick that everyone is carring on.

Its not like he speared him fare up the rear, i bet you wouldnt even see any paint from lowndes car on the bumper.

Time to get over it and move on.

[Aeron]

I like lowndes as a driver but i beleive that the slight rub that rick gave him didnt even deserve to get a drive thru. If that had happened at the first race of the season nothing would have been done about it.

That "slight rub" took Lowndes and Todd off the track. He was always going to get a drive thru for it, last race or not.

The thing I like is that a lot of members of this forum who are HUGE Holden fans still see that it was a shame that the race and championship ended the way it did. I think everyone was looking forward to a good hard race 3 today, and that the best man would win, but in turned into a bit of a fizzer.

[redss]

If that had happened at the first race of the season nothing would have been done about it.

Totally agree. I was under the impression that this round was worth basically the same as the others in regards to points. Lets count back and find out how many other "championship determining" incidents there have been during the season!:eek: :rolleyes: :weirdo: If they are all worth the same points, then they all add up at the end of the year!

[T_Kiwi]

haha go the lions

[pro 346]

Shamefull day to be driving a holden!
If i won the lotto last night i would burn the 2 i own!

[Yellayute]

I agree with vecommo, certainly not deliberate and craig was unlucky to hit todd. Craig didn't control his car and now rick is accused of taking him out of the championship.Maybe todd should protest at craig's driving. Does frosty like Garth Tander , he does have his initials on the side of his car. Thanks to channel 10 . what can we expect from channel 7 in 2007?

[gofaster]

Shamefull day to be driving a holden!
If i won the lotto last night i would burn the 2 i own!


why? This has nothing to do with holden and everything to do with Toll and Rick Kelly.

By the way I thought what happened in race 2 was far worse than what happened in race 3. Race 2 took poor sportmanship to a new low. It's one thing to let a team mate pass for championship reasons...but its another thing to stop a competitor winning when you yourself are not in the championship.

[VT LS1]

That "slight rub" took Lowndes and Todd off the track. He was always going to get a drive thru for it, last race or not.

.


Yes, but thats all it was worth, it was not a mallicious 'shunt'
Rubbing is racing

[vecommo]

Shamefull day to be driving a holden!

Rubbish. Speak for yourself.

Shameful day to be a Ford fan
Derogatory name calling, death wishes and threats against Rick Kelly, childish signatures, conspiracy theories etc etc....
Absolutely disgusting behaviour to say the least.
If the exact opposite had happened, I know that we would never stoop to such a low level here...we would take the loss maturely and graciously, which makes be proud to be a Holden driver and a member of this forum.

[jaykay]

What a coincidence ?

Holden wins Bathurst last how many years ? 3 or 4 ?, then Ford wins Championship,

Ford wins Bathurst 2006, Holden wins Championship 2006...

Well done to Rick Kelly and the HSVDT. I think the driver to look out for next year is Mark Winterbottom.. :nyuk:

GO HOLDEN.... :dancenana:

[BigJim]

Shamefull day to be driving a holden!
If i won the lotto last night i would burn the 2 i own!

Come on its not that bad. Its one small race incident.

Be sure to post up a video on burning your cars, i need a laugh. :lmao:

[HRT Stroker]

Lets keep it clean in here guys, first and last warning.

My 2c Kelly did a little more than rub Lowndes....would like to see an incar of Kelly's car to see if he braked.....he was in the back of lowndes' car for quite sometime.

Not the way to win the day.

[speedyocca]

Lets keep it clean in here guys, first and last warning.

My 2c Kelly did a little more than rub Lowndes....would like to see an incar of Kelly's car to see if he braked.....he was in the back of lowndes' car for quite sometime.

Not the way to win the day. would like to see the data to

[VT LS1]

would like to see an incar of Kelly's car to see if he braked.

Don't need the incar, look for the flames, he was off the juice a long time before he hit

[Gooey]

Shamefull day to be driving a holden!
If i won the lotto last night i would burn the 2 i own!

so not true.

i think ther are a lot of different opions out there and all of them are valid. we are all entitled to them as well. did lowndes move off racing line to block rick, possibly, was he of racing line to pass todd, maybe. at the end of the day it was a racing incident. there have been many of these throughout the year and all have either destroyed someones chances of getting a better place in that particular race. rick hit lowndes and he spun. it was unfortunate that lowndes was then hit but another racer. as i have said a racing incident. i am a holden supporter but i also would have been happy if lowndes won as he would have desvered it but a win is a win.

i also think rick has shown this year that he is growing up a little compared to other years and he still has a long way to go but i think he is doing well. for the record i would have prefered lowndes but then the breaks i guess.


andrew

ps bring on the new VE it should be a good year

[X BC X]

not sure if anybody else saw/heard otherwise, but i thought craig was acting pretty 'cool' about the situation after the race (compared to say indy) , if it was something alot worse than a love tap, he probally would have acted differently.....

i wonder if he would even want to take the title by appeal ? :confused:

im happy for rick, sux that alot of people want to bag him :vpo:

but thats racing eh ! :dancenana:

[Goanna]

I guess as everyone is saying racing is racing, but....im just so dissapointed at Rick Kelly. This is a multi million dollar industry they are racing in, that kind of mistake costs alot of money. All he had to do was back out of that and all would have been good. And i think we would have had a different champion. Lowndes deserved the championship, more so then kelly. It should have been Tander fighting with lowndes, a result either way i would have been happy with. Rick is not a fav driver of mine, he races boring. At least everyone else gives it a go and every so often screws it up and has a spin. I think kelly realised that he could not race lowndes for the race, lowndes was quicker and i think would have held out kelly, shame the recored books will now show kelly win, but as everyone will also rememeber he took out lowndes, plain and simple. That is how i will remember this year. Im sure kelly would have loved to have won clean, but its all in the history books now!

[ti0350]

Congrats to Rick Kelly on winning the Championship, I dont think the incident was as bad as people made out he was deemed by the stewards to be at fault and paid the penalty.. You can't blame Rick for this you can blame AVESCO and the stupid rules if the rules were clearly written down for such as satuation there wouldnt be a prob.. Why should they scutinse this race more then any other one, It doesnt matter if its the first race or the last race of the year they should treated the same.. Part of the problem is the stewards arent consistant with their decissions..
Big deal kelly ran into lowdnes it was a love tap compared to other hits during the year.. ambrose wins by punting people off all year long and nothing is said kelly does it once and (there is no proof so far it was deliberate or just a mistake) people spew about it..
there are 2 sides to every incident 888 will say Kelly did it deliberately HSVDT will say lowdnes was blocking kelly by not driving on the racing line.. Was Tander holding lowdnes up who knows maybe he driving his own race, Tander was desperate to get 3rd in the Championship..
Anyway It's about time Holden won the championship..

[vecommo]

^^ Agree 100% with everything you've said. :thumbsup:

[pro 346]

Come on its not that bad. Its one small race incident.

Be sure to post up a video on burning your cars, i need a laugh. :lmao:

Small incident = big consiquence for some!
Got some bad news for ya big jim, lotto wasnt a winner
Dam i could have had australias first 11.0 bonfire too

[FocusRsCosworth]

2 Things........
Rick can i wont say..for race 3
Tander can i wont say.for race 2. If this is the only way Holden HRT , you name it.. can win a championship, then i applaud them... this is not V8 supercars driving.. Rick Kelly cant drive for s**t... he knew he couldnt get passed lowndes so he had to drive him off the road.. Im sickened.. if he had gone passed lowndes then fair enuff he did it legitimately, and i would have congratulated him, but no i wont....

I hope he does lose the championship.. cause you shouldnt win like that.. he had doubts himself if he had won or not..at the end i hope that p***k gets what he deserves.. Some people may not agree with me, some people may..

But the Question is to all you Loyal Holden Fans, " ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE WAY RICK HAS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP" thats the question im asking. Thats my 2 cents worth. :flamin:

[hoon69]

just a shame that holden had to stoop to a all time low to win:


you blocked,you punted,you punted and all this whilst being behind in the points etc

i agree with the sign the crowd placed up


shame holden shame
this win will be the the most bitter for years to come.


kelly: chump not champ!

[OLS108]

just a shame that holden had to stoop to a all time low to win:


you blocked,you punted,you punted and all this whilst being behind in the points etc

i agree with the sign the crowd placed up


this win will be the the most bitter for years to come.


kelly: chump not champ!

Now Now Ronnie, a Bet is a bet.... Now let me Change your Avatar on CB:dancenana:

[vh-holden]

Shameful day to be a Ford fan
Derogatory name calling, death wishes and threats against Rick Kelly, childish signatures, conspiracy theories etc etc....
Absolutely disgusting behaviour to say the least.
If the exact opposite had happened, I know that we would never stoop to such a low level here...we would take the loss maturely and graciously, which makes be proud to be a Holden driver and a member of this forum.

there are holden fans doing the same thing.

[GR8M8]

There's a few good laughs in this thread.
Overall the race was the most exciting I've seen all year.
Craig cried blocking anytime someone was holding him up during the 3 races.
Yes they were holding him up in the slow tight corners as he clearly faster there, but he couldn't keep up in most of the other corners.
Then as I saw it on my TV which must have been different to others here,
Craig was moving over to the right side of the road to block Rick coming on the inside, clearly he was blocking Rick, he got a love tap while he was on the limit and we all know the result.
To say oh we hate Rick for what he has done is pathetic.
As mentioned before it can't be said that this one incidence determined the winner without taking in to context all the other point deciding incidences throughout the year.

Giddyup, Geoff.

[BossV8]

Well done Rick. you drove to the points system and won. didn't hear the Fraud boys complaining last year when Ingall won the championship by winning only one race.

While I loved that Ingall won last year, I did write on page 1 that I dont believe it is a good way to become the years best driver, by not winning a single round. Tander has been excellent of late, Lowndes has won quite a few races, even Skaife has won I think the most races this year?

Yet Kelly wins the championship by getting a swag of 4th's and 5th's. Thats no winner, thats someone driving like a softcock in order to stay out of trouble. I'de rather see every driver out there trying like hell to get the win and make it a better spectacle for all of us.

Well done to Rick Kelly for being the most consistant and being well behaved all year, but race 3 showed what he has been always capable of- some dangerous moves. Remember that tap he gave Bright a few years back at Indy which I belive led to the introduction of the HANS device?

Lowndesy for the drive of the year, at bathurst :bow:

[ti0350]

Damn happy Rick won the championship this way, talked to my best mate tonight (a die hard ford fan) and he had no probs with it he still recons ambrose did worse for the whole season to win his last championship and he was damn happy ambrose won then..
Any AVESCO set this up with their stupid points scoring system bring on next year.. I wonder if you go through this years championship and use next years scoring system who would win..

[Aeron]

I've been busy. And its all for a laugh :lol:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/photosbyaeron/Rick_1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/photosbyaeron/RicktheCheater.jpg

[schnoods]

While I loved that Ingall won last year, I did write on page 1 that I dont believe it is a good way to become the years best driver, by not winning a single round. Tander has been excellent of late, Lowndes has won quite a few races, even Skaife has won I think the most races this year?

Yet Kelly wins the championship by getting a swag of 4th's and 5th's. Thats no winner, thats someone driving like a softcock in order to stay out of trouble. I'de rather see every driver out there trying like hell to get the win and make it a better spectacle for all of us.

Well done to Rick Kelly for being the most consistant and being well behaved all year, but race 3 showed what he has been always capable of- some dangerous moves. Remember that tap he gave Bright a few years back at Indy which I belive led to the introduction of the HANS device?

Lowndesy for the drive of the year, at bathurst :bow:

I agree that winning races is what its all about. Consistency is needed as well but no one wants to see a tortoise and hair type race. They are trying to kill the f1 in the same fashion where in the end it all comes down to consistency and taking care of your cars.

Congrats to Kelly but it will be hollow.

[vecommo]

Aeron, you forgot to tell us when to laugh...
I don't find that the least bit amusing.

[Aeron]

Aeron, you forgot to tell us when to laugh...
I don't find that the least bit amusing.



Oh come on, its funny. Laugh at your self once in a while. Go on, let your hair down.

I did it for a bit of fun. To put a bit of Har Har back into the thread :D

(it needs it)

[team illucid]

I've been busy. And its all for a laugh :lol:

Get over it ... it's just a race.

[Aeron]

Get over it ... it's just a race.

Ahhhh, I am over it. Im trying to see the lighter side of things. :jester:

Woosh, seems to be a sense of humour failure in here tonight. :D

Tough crowd. :nyuk:


You guys won!! You should be over the moon!! :)

[BossV8]

Next season will be interesting with the new points system. It would be also interesting to see how this years results would be with that same system

Should be a hard battle between most likely Tander, Lowndes, Kelly's, Richo at FPR with Frosty, maybe throw in Courtney, Skaife for the odd one too

[hoon69]

why you'll upset you won the damn championship and your still cranky

go get abit of action then come re-read this and have a giggle ggez some of you are uptight ,you'll didnt mind the ingall skaife pics floating aorund etc so shhh

aeron luv em great pics

dave
i'll change it with one of those pics aight ;)

[JimmyXR6T04]

Aeron - funny pics dude. Very well done. Some of the best photochops i've seen!! you should be the sites photochop guru for when people want to see how things will look on their cars :bow:

[Carby650]

I've been busy. And its all for a laugh :lol:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/photosbyaeron/Rick_1.jpg


They made a mistake.
The number on the car should now read 1

[Rick76]

I don't believe Rick purposely punted Craig. IMO there wasn't a lot in it, its not like he got into the back of CL under power and kept his boot into it spinning him around. He didn't use him is a braking marker and plow straight into him from 50 metres behind.... he was right on him ready to bust a move and gave him a tap (unfortunately at a moment where both cars were balancing on the edge of adhesion). End result: Kelly was penalised for it... time to move on.

Some people need to get a life and not be such sore losers. I am not just talking about this latest incident or this thread but responses lately on several car and motorsport forums. It goes for a lot of Holden and Ford fans.

Congratulations to Rick Kelly and HSVT, hard luck to Craig Lowndes (I think he and Garth both probably deserved to finish ahead of Rick Kelly - but the points systems is what it is). Winterbottom didn't win anything until the last race (only just) and no one is bitching about him getting 3rd in the C'ship. Ingall won bugger all in 05'. Nicky Hayden won SFA in MotoGP this year and won the Championship. Troy Bayliss rode in one race and lead more race laps in that race than Hayden did all year. There are hard luck stories everywhere in motorsport.

As many others have already said, thats racing. If you can't watch it without crying about the Officials/Penalties, Walkinshaw/Holden conspiracy theories about controlling AVESCO, Holden/Ford Aero advantage/disadvantage, Channel 10's biased commentary, etc you need to take a good hard look at yourselves. Harden TFU!!!

I'm not saying don't be passionate about your favourite brand/team/driver/s or agree with every official decision... but don't piss and moan to everyone everytime something doesnt go the way of your favourite/s. Just enjoy the spectacle and if you want to act like a spoilt little kid who cries when it doesnt go his way, don't watch it, don't go the races, don't even talk about it if its really that bad.

:nopity:

:xmas:

[Typhoon]

Your kidding right ?
I bet you that if the stewards get their hands on car 15's telemetry it will clearly show that Rick Kelly lifted off the brakes just enough to make contact on Lowdnes car. All professional racers know that a car under full braking does not require much of a tap to unload the wheels and cause it to loose braking traction.
Lowdnes was not closing the door, but taking the propper racing line into the corner.
The Stewards knew that Kelly was in the wrong as they black flagged him, but the end result was that 18th was enough to secure the championship.
It is a very sad day for Australian Motorsport witht he crowning of a cheater of a champion. While I might drive a Ford, I feel that the way AVESCO handled the penalty system, it appeared that Lowdnes had no hope of winning this year.
I can say I am disgusted by the whole Toll/HRT racing teams blatant blocking and punting and AVESCO in there onesided application of penalties towards Ford.
All I can say is that enjoy the hollow victory as it seems a majority of people think he did not deserve to win the championship

[SS Enforcer]

Ahhhh, I am over it. Im trying to see the lighter side of things. :jester:

Woosh, seems to be a sense of humour failure in here tonight. :D

Tough crowd. :nyuk:


You guys won!! You should be over the moon!! :)

Cmon mate your being a bit harsh on Kelly . I saw your vids of you trying to steer your bucket of s..t around some witches hats and you looked pretty ordinary at it. So I bet you couldn't possibly make a slight miscalculation whilst at full noise, he misjudged by a few inches probably and you the other sooks carry on like it's the end of the world.

You and some others have insinuted that Kelly cheated, what a lot of crap !!!
Craig won't be the last person to lose a race or indeed a championship on the last lap due to an error of judgement by the opponent. It has happened before.

Those pics are defamatory and I know have TOLL have very deep pockets they would be quite within their rights to not have the good name of their driver bismirched in this way.

Kelly can't have done a too bad of a job for the season .... I mean he is the bloody champion FFS and whilst doing it he gave his sponsors plenty of coverage which is the name of the game. The racing is just a vehicle for advertising so don't get too carried away with the whole hero worship thing. It's only a bloody car race that is staged to help companies flog their products.

Why do you think Nascar never takes any real action on this issue? it's because when there is a percieved slight to a driver they get even more publicity, the drivers and cars get talked about and more interest is generated for the next race which equals $$$$$ for the owners of the sport.

I suppose AVESCO should give you a F.....g medal or something for increasing the supporter/punter interest for next year .

Hooray for Rick Kelly he was consistant all year and did what he was supposed to do ........ win the championship ..... GAMEOVER :dancenana:


Your kidding right ?
I bet you that if the stewards get their hands on car 15's telemetry it will clearly show that Rick Kelly lifted off the brakes just enough to make contact on Lowdnes car. All professional racers know that a car under full braking does not require much of a tap to unload the wheels and cause it to loose braking traction.
Lowdnes was not closing the door, but taking the propper racing line into the corner.
The Stewards knew that Kelly was in the wrong as they black flagged him, but the end result was that 18th was enough to secure the championship.
It is a very sad day for Australian Motorsport witht he crowning of a cheater of a champion. While I might drive a Ford, I feel that the way AVESCO handled the penalty system, it appeared that Lowdnes had no hope of winning this year.
I can say I am disgusted by the whole Toll/HRT racing teams blatant blocking and punting and AVESCO in there onesided application of penalties towards Ford.
All I can say is that enjoy the hollow victory as it seems a majority of people think he did not deserve to win the championship

HELP i'm Fu...*g drowning here in blue tears H E L P !!!!!

What would you have the stewards do ????? ALL competitors race under the same rules.

Maybe next year they will stick to time trials only so they can't be interferred with by other drivers, ..... damn no good eh Skaify would win the lot. :nyuk:

[Devil CV8]

Oh come on, its funny. Laugh at your self once in a while. Go on, let your hair down.

I did it for a bit of fun. To put a bit of Har Har back into the thread :D

(it needs it)

you did it as the troll you are. You are bragging about it over at AFF, so how you can say it is a bit of fun is beyond me. You didn't see any anti ambrose chops last year did you. Just goes to show who the real fans are.



That being said, every driver started the year knowing the points system. R.K just did a better job of it this year, as did Ingall last year. Whinging and moaning about the result isn't going to change it.

[Rick76]

Your kidding right ?

No, not kidding, just think people need to take a chill pill every now and then and see things from a different POV.

I don't like it when I see a driver I like come off second best but I don't get on every forum I can, cry foul of the officials, come up with conspiracies and bag the crap out of the driver in question just because the result didn't go my way. They were racing for the championship and came together... its a common occurrance in racing.

Here is a non-contact sport that the whole family can enjoy watching (http://www.netball.com.au/)

[pauljh74]

There's a few good laughs in this thread.
Craig cried blocking anytime someone was holding him up during the 3 races.
Yes they were holding him up in the slow tight corners as he clearly faster there, but he couldn't keep up in most of the other corners.
Then as I saw it on my TV which must have been different to others here,
Craig was moving over to the right side of the road to block Rick coming on the inside, clearly he was blocking Rick, he got a love tap while he was on the limit and we all know the result.
To say oh we hate Rick for what he has done is pathetic.
As mentioned before it can't be said that this one incidence determined the winner without taking in to context all the other point deciding incidences throughout the year.

Giddyup, Geoff.

Tander's times dropped when Lowndes was making a break on Kelly, after he got the bad sportsmanship flag he suddenly found a second miraculously, then slowed again. Tander was almost up with Todd Kelly and Winterbottom early in race 2, was quicker than Lowndes, then suddenly dropped back to interfere with Lowndes, running almost 2 seconds a lap slower.
As for the in car replay, it shows Lowndes on the brakes IN FRONT of Kelly, then Kelly goves him a tap, not on the corner of the car, almost smack bang in the middle. Todd Kelly was a few car lengths in front of Lowndes going into the corner, until that tap punted Lowndes into Todd Kelly. The only way Rick would have got past at that point is on the grass. There was no realistic pass there. Having 2 inches of bumper alongside another car and the door half closed is not a pass. Rick also jinked left as he hit Lowndes

[SS Enforcer]

Tander's times dropped when Lowndes was making a break on Kelly, after he got the bad sportsmanship flag he suddenly found a second miraculously, then slowed again. Tander was almost up with Todd Kelly and Winterbottom early in race 2, was quicker than Lowndes, then suddenly dropped back to interfere with Lowndes, running almost 2 seconds a lap slower.
As for the in car replay, it shows Lowndes on the brakes IN FRONT of Kelly, then Kelly goves him a tap, not on the corner of the car, almost smack bang in the middle. Todd Kelly was a few car lengths in front of Lowndes going into the corner, until that tap punted Lowndes into Todd Kelly. The only way Rick would have got past at that point is on the grass. There was no realistic pass there. Having 2 inches of bumper alongside another car and the door half closed is not a pass. Rick also jinked left as he hit Lowndes

I watched it about 10 times it is perfectly clear what happened ... CL brake tested RK then T boned TK . As luck would have it CL got whacked and the corrupt stewards black flagged RK hoping CL would get going and pass RK but alas it didn't happen.

Hooray for Rick Kelly he was consistant all year and did what he was supposed to do ........ win the championship ..... GAMEOVER

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

Kellys a bloody cheat ruined the entire race taken out lowndes car


To Rite!...


Get over it ... it's just a race.

If it had happend the other way around this thread would be 100 pages long with Holden fans bawling their eyes out calling cheat....

Thats not the sort of racing we want, no matter who you follow..

[BLKCV8]

and just in case the ford boys missed it ........Rick Kelly 2006 v8 supercar champion

[Chappy]

Its a sad day for V8Supercars when teams have to resort to dirty tactics to win a race.

I am a Holden supporter but today I felt that we had a hollow victory, whats happening to the good sportsmanship between drivers.

Both Rick and Crag are very skilled drivers, I just wished it was left to there driving skills.

I do not not the rules about blocking and I dont want to but from what I seen it was dissapointing.

Anyway what is done is done and Monday will see an outcome that I dough either team be happy with.

Cheers

[brett05]

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if this has been covered already, but the footage clearly shows that after Lowndes spun, he came to rest on the side of the track off the racing line. He drove forwards into the path of the oncoming traffic. The damage on his car was his fault and no one elses.

[vecommo]

Those pics are defamatory and I know have TOLL have very deep pockets they would be quite within their rights to not have the good name of their driver bismirched in this way.

Hmmm, I might shoot off a few emails with a link to those pics to HSVDT and all the sponsors who have had their names defaced and see what they think of it.
You've had your 5 minutes of fame Aeron, now I hope you've got a good lawyer.:yahoo:

[MickNugent]

Hmmm, I might shoot off a few emails with a link to those pics to HSVDT and all the sponsors who have had their names defaced and see what they think of it.
You've had your 5 minutes of fame Aeron, now I hope you've got a good lawyer.:yahoo:

:lmao: Like theyre gonna do anything about that? Its a bit of fun you idiots.

I think like most i can agree that the nudge was nothing special and it happens all the time. What bothered me the most was the blocking in the second race by Tander, surely not one person here thinks that is in the spirit of motorsport.

To those making comparisons about Ambrose: The difference being he is a racer at heart, he couldnt just cycle around the track regardless of the points system because he had a burning desire to win. Sure he was agressive but the difference was he could actually drive at 10/10s unlike Rick.

Ive hated Kelly ever since he took out Brighty who was in the No.1 position to win the championship then literally cried about it afterwards the little sook. He can have the championship but hell never be a Skaife, Lowndes or Ambrose, doesnt have it in him, simple as that...

[gsw]

I know for a fact if the shoe was on another foot some of you would be crying more then the Ford supporters here. Vecommo is one example that comes to mind (were you vzsv6 here at one stage)?

[Aeron]

Cmon mate your being a bit harsh on Kelly . I saw your vids of you trying to steer your bucket of s..t around some witches hats and you looked pretty ordinary at it.

Personal attacks aren't needed. And I cant see how you can judge me as a driver from a little clip on YouTube. You should a look at some of the other I have posted. ;)

Even a lot of your mates on this forum think what he did was wrong.

And yes, i did mention this thread on FordForums because I found it quite strange that you guys can't take a joke. Because thats what those pics are all about. I dont think Kelly cheated. I dont think he hit Lowndes on peropus. But he did hit him causing him to go off. Its just a shame they couldn't race.

[team illucid]

And yes, i did mention this thread on FordForums because I found it quite strange that you guys can't take a joke. .

funny place to find people that cant take a joke.

[Aeron]

funny place to find people that cant take a joke.


It is. You blokes should be OVER THE MOON about winning the '06 Championship. And remember, I have an SS too. :D

[MARRA]

Where was the big smokey burnout at the end? At the end of each NASCAR or Indy race its celebrated with nice burnout but not our V8Supercars! last year Ingall was allowed to do it. Regardless of what happened it should have been celebrated in style!

[team illucid]

It is. You blokes should be OVER THE MOON about winning the '06 Championship. And remember, I have an SS too. :D

Too be honest, I really don't care who wins the championship ... to me it is a novelty to the Great Race - I only care who wins Bathurst, so Craig has got some consolation, and he got one of the greatest prizes yet.

[Aeron]

Where was the big smokey burnout at the end? At the end of each NASCAR or Indy race its celebrated with nice burnout but not our V8Supercars! last year Ingall was allowed to do it. Regardless of what happened it should have been celebrated in style!


Yeh, what a let down!! I wanted to see a big burnout at the end, but no :(

Also, sorry if the pics i posted offended some viewers. They were intended as a joke. You were supposed to
do this --> :lol: or even this --> :lmao: but all I got was --> :cussing:

[hatzi]

Clearly shows that after Lowndes spun, he came to rest on the side of the track off the racing line. He drove forwards into the path of the oncoming traffic. The damage on his car was his fault and no one elses.

I agree well done to the Kelly Gang.:D

[CarlFST60L]

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if this has been covered already, but the footage clearly shows that after Lowndes spun, he came to rest on the side of the track off the racing line. He drove forwards into the path of the oncoming traffic. The damage on his car was his fault and no one elses.

This is how i see it to, sure the punt didnt help though... Funny how they only showd a replay once about 20 laps into it, and once at the very end from the worst angle, so i have only seen it twice, how about getting all the angles in slow motion so we can see it properly

[turbo6]

and just in case the ford boys missed it ........Rick Kelly 2006 v8 supercar champion

Umm, I quote off the V8 supercars site, "For now."

Well, it is one way to win a championship. It took all of them to stick it up Lowndsey and then to turn him around. You would hope Karma will prevail in this one.

[dazzle260]

is anyone else bitterly dissapointed with the final round? regardless of winner, with all the crap that went on with blocking and flags etc, wouldnt everyone in here prefer to see lowndes and kelly head to head out infront with no other car within 100 metres? i was really looking forward to the weekend thinking everyone else on the track SHOULD be doing the right thing by them, guess i underestimated the politics involved in this sport.

[SS Enforcer]

The Incident is on Youtube have a look and judge for ourselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-evTsJjYE


cheers

[GTP006]

is anyone else bitterly dissapointed with the final round? regardless of winner, with all the crap that went on with blocking and flags etc, wouldnt everyone in here prefer to see lowndes and kelly head to head out infront with no other car within 100 metres? i was really looking forward to the weekend thinking everyone else on the track SHOULD be doing the right thing by them, guess i underestimated the politics involved in this sport.

Dunno about no one being near them but definitely should have had the opportunity to race like any other meeting. I for one, being a blue blood and a Lowndes fan, had my heart in my mouth all weekend waiting for Lowndes to be taken out stupidly. Very deflated that the season was decided at 40k's an hour down pit lane.

[OLS108]

And yes, i did mention this thread on FordForums because I found it quite strange that you guys can't take a joke.



We cant take a Joke ???? I got banned from FF for posting a Box of Tissues and Reminding everyone that Lowndes is from Deception bay....
I found those Pic's of Rick Funny:D , i didnt see our Mods banning you for them tho ?:whip:

[Hitman]

I Suppoert Ford and Holden, I would have preffered Lowndes to win, but I didn't really mind either way, but most of all I just wanted to see a GOOD race, unfortunately it wasn't to be.

[phunky_monkey]

Everyone needs to take a chill pill in here FFS!

Aeron poked a little fun, deal with it. Report him to HSVDT... c'mon, seriously, get over it.

You're like a bunch of little girls crying over spilt milk. This doesn't go for everyone, but to the people it's directed at, you know who you are. You'd think that on a forum full of 'mature' men that a civil discussion could take place... guess not

Anyways, congrats to Rick Kelly, tough luck to Lowndes. It didn't end the way I would have liked it too, but such is motorsport.

[ADSXR8]

is anyone else bitterly dissapointed with the final round? regardless of winner, with all the crap that went on with blocking and flags etc, wouldnt everyone in here prefer to see lowndes and kelly head to head out infront with no other car within 100 metres? i was really looking forward to the weekend thinking everyone else on the track SHOULD be doing the right thing by them, guess i underestimated the politics involved in this sport.

After the great year it has been in V8 Supercars, that was the most disappointing way for a championship to be decided.

Congratulations to Rick. His conservative yet competitive driving throughout the year put him in the position to challenge for the drivers championship. He learnt from Russell Ingall last year that you don’t need the fastest car to win a championship, you need to be clever about your racing.

What I certainly saw yesterday wasn’t SPORTSMANSHIP, or in the best interests of the multi-million dollar spectacle of V8 Supercar. It was disgraceful. For Garth Tander to get involved the way he did just cemented in my mind the guy is a breathing germ. He should never have got involved and blamed a fuel surge problem. Just in-case you blokes didn’t know. After Garth’s drive through, he fuel problem seemed to fix itself and he posted HIS quickest three laps of the race.

I think the championship will remain with Rick, and under the current rules it should do.

There is no doubt Rick punted Craig off the road, he was found guilty and served his drive through penalty. The damage done to Craig’s car is just part of motorsport. This things happen all the time.

What 888 team is suggesting is that because Rick caused the accident and them the subsequent damage to Craig’s car, he should be scratched from the race results, and in the current rules that will not happen.

As I worte in my first sentence, it was just a disappointing way for the championship decider.

[Curtis-R]

Rick Kelly cant drive for s**t...

The racing was great all weekend, and I agree that it was unfortunate the way it ended up..would have been great to see them both go head to head at the last lap, but I also thought that something would happen for sure that would cause a stir..and sure enough it did.

But seriously comments like this one above are mindless.

Bring on the 2007 series! :)

[pauljh74]

I watched it about 10 times it is perfectly clear what happened ... CL brake tested RK then T boned TK . As luck would have it CL got whacked and the corrupt stewards black flagged RK hoping CL would get going and pass RK but alas it didn't happen.

Hooray for Rick Kelly he was consistant all year and did what he was supposed to do ........ win the championship ..... GAMEOVER

Lowndes went from a few car lengths behind Todd, to right up behind him near the corner, then got punted by Rick. If CL was brake testing Rick, then Todd must have been doing it to CL as well.

[LS1 5.7]

As The Warden pointed out lets look at the last five rounds and see how many people Lowndes has punted of without penalty. And they were all alot less than waht Kelly did yesterday. All year Lowndes has been driving like Cole Trickle knocking off the road anything in his way without penalty. People on here seem to have very short memories

[pauljh74]

Those pics are defamatory and I know have TOLL have very deep pockets they would be quite within their rights to not have the good name of their driver bismirched in this way.
I work for Toll and the official customer service motto was previously
"WHATEVER IT TAKES"

[VT LS1]

Having watched the vid over and over again, I can only say it was just a very light touch, hardly even discernable (almost as bad as Italy in the footy, but thats another story), certainly not worth more than a drive through (if that). It was not a punt or even a real shove, no more than CL himself has done countless times through the year. If every driver through the year counted up their DNFs or lost time because another driver dared to chalenge them for road space, they would all be on 5000 points, but it is a race remember, there is not charge for following too close like on a trip down the shops.
Have a look at the footage, look for the flames out the exhause of RK's car (there are only flames when they are OFF the gas). He was off the go peddle a long time before CL tried to close him out (to his own disadvantage).
It is a racing incident, get over it.
At the same time, I don't like the points system where actual race wins don't seem to count for as much as regular top 5's, but that is not RK's fault.

Congratulations Rick, you didn't mess up as many cars as Ambrose, and still managed a championship win.

[HazzaHSV]

Gees. Lowndes must not be able to drive 10/10's either, since Rick chased him at Bathurst for 20 laps, sitting on his bumper, going blow for blow. Not to mention out pacing Lowndes by a HUGE margain at the only new track of the season where previous setup data wasn't available. Good one. :doh:

Sure he was agressive but the difference was he could actually drive at 10/10s unlike Rick.

[GTS LSA]

As The Warden pointed out lets look at the last five rounds and see how many people Lowndes has punted of without penalty. And they were all alot less than waht Kelly did yesterday. All year Lowndes has been driving like Cole Trickle knocking off the road anything in his way without penalty. People on here seem to have very short memories


What he said

[HazzaHSV]

After the great year it has been in V8 Supercars, that was the most disappointing way for a championship to be decided.

I think the championship will remain with Rick, and under the current rules it should do.

There is no doubt Rick punted Craig off the road, he was found guilty and served his drive through penalty. The damage done to Craig’s car is just part of motorsport. This things happen all the time.

What 888 team is suggesting is that because Rick caused the accident and them the subsequent damage to Craig’s car, he should be scratched from the race results, and in the current rules that will not happen.

As I worte in my first sentence, it was just a disappointing way for the championship decider.
There are far more disappointing ways to end a championship than that. But I agree would have been nice if Craig wasn't slammed by another car which would have allowed the racing to continue after the drive through. BUT it is one thing to lightly tap another competitor when you are as far over as you can go, and purposely PUNTING someone off the track and cheating. There is absolutely no way in the world that was a punt off and was hardly worth a drive through penalty. Anyone remember Ambrose v Skaife at Eastern Creek when Ambrose had a 5mm overlap on the inside of the right hander, Skaife had 99.9% of the race line and took the apex and was flung off. NO PENALTY whatsover. It didn't cost a championship you say, well it could have. Any incident throughout the whole season can.

Lets wait for the ruling and stop this bullshit cheating accusations and whinging with personal insults.

PS - No matter who/what caused the tap or where/when in the championship it was, there is no way the resulting damage is the fault of either Lowdnes or Rick. There has been hundreds of occurences in world motorsport of someone tapping someone else and resulting in the innocent person crashing out of a race, and the originator getting a drive through and finishing the race.

[GTP006]

Not to mention out pacing Lowndes by a HUGE margain at the only new track of the season where previous setup data wasn't available. Good one. :doh:

Are you the only one who doesn't know Lowndes was driving a BRAND NEW CAR?? :whip:

[X BC X]

Rick Kelly cant drive for s**t...



so on your observation, any clown can win bathurst :fewl:

great call, great opinion :thumbsup:




But the Question is to all you Loyal Holden Fans, " ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE WAY RICK HAS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP" thats the question im asking. Thats my 2 cents worth. :flamin:

im happy with his performances over the year, which is " THE WAY RICK HAS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP " :D

its funny how some people forget the rest of the years racing.... if that 'incident' had of happened in round one, ford would have had to find something else to cry about..... :nopity:

lowndes was doomed from the start of that race..... they couldnt even spell his name right on the car :D
(i know its part of the vodafone 'now' sponsorship campaign) :whip:

[ls2maloo]

Why don't we just hand the title over to say someone you has the most bad luck for the year so for Brad Jones you are really the 2006 v8 supercar title holder, please you could see the cracks starting to appear about 2 months ago with Lowndes and the way that the media where so far up his arse yesterday wanting this fairy tale finish to the year was pathetic.It was a racing inccident that served it's due penalty,hard luck to Craig but congrats to Rick Kelly.

[GTS LSA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HazzaHSV
Not to mention out pacing Lowndes by a HUGE margain at the only new track of the season where previous setup data wasn't available. Good one.

Are you the only one who doesn't know Lowndes was driving a BRAND NEW CAR??

Wasnt it "NEW" at Tassie???

[V8torana]

Reading all this reminds me of the line from Days of Thunder

No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'. :lmao:

[GTP006]

Wasnt it "NEW" at Tassie???

Yes it was, so technically not BRAND new.

[Freaky]

what a classic thread. its only cars going round in circles. chill.

Ricks move has gotta be up there with Adelaide 94 and Jerez 97 in my book :lmao:

[ls2maloo]

I'll be wearing my toll hsv gear proudly and sleeping easy at night ahhh.

[GTP006]

My disappointment is that the better driver, faster driver and better car were robbed of the outcome that everyone could see was inevitable. RK didn't have an answer for Lowndes in any of the races and the "main" reasons he was in a competitive position were largely thanks to other drivers going out of their way to promote him.

RK could have continued on his merry "Top 5" way and hoped for Lowndes to make a mistake or that the pits would have gone wrong but he did what he did and regardless of your tribe, I'm sure every motorsport fan must feel robbed by RK's actions - it could have been the greatest round I've ever seen if it had of gone down to the wire.

[ls2maloo]

The better faster driver ha,if it wasn't for that stupid reason Tander went to HRT for the 2 enduros he would have had it in the bag.The guy that seems like he's going to go places is winterbottom BP the quiet acheiver.

[SS Enforcer]

what a classic thread. its only cars going round in circles. chill.

Ricks move has gotta be up there with Adelaide 94 and Jerez 97 in my book :lmao:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=81571

Thats cheating !!

Have to feel sorry for Hill

[X BC X]

My disappointment is that the better driver, faster driver and better car were robbed of the outcome that everyone could see was inevitable. RK didn't have an answer for Lowndes in any of the races and the "main" reasons he was in a competitive position were largely thanks to other drivers going out of their way to promote him.

RK could have continued on his merry "Top 5" way and hoped for Lowndes to make a mistake or that the pits would have gone wrong but he did what he did and regardless of your tribe, I'm sure every motorsport fan must feel robbed by RK's actions - it could have been the greatest round I've ever seen if it had of gone down to the wire.

i see you have signed up today, hopefully not just to have a sook :hmmm:

if lowndes is the better driver, faster driver, and has the better car...surely he would have been a few minutes down the road....not sitting on ricks nose throughout the weekend....

im sick of hearing how good craig is and how shit rick is..... :cussing:

and can anyone out there confirm for me that craig has never done anything similar throughout his entire career to what rick did on the weekend ? :hmmm:

get over it, bring on next year :driving:

[GTP006]

The better faster driver ha,if it wasn't for that stupid reason Tander went to HRT for the 2 enduros he would have had it in the bag.The guy that seems like he's going to go places is winterbottom BP the quiet acheiver.

And that has what relevance to CL being better and faster than RK at Phillip Island?

[hoon69]

that corner was perfect for P.ricks tactics

he knew the corner goes left to right,knows the cars lift under the heavy braking into that corner,and he utilised that to give enough of a tap to make craig lose ea grip which in turn would of made him 10-20kmh faster into the corner making him spin out of control.

ya'll can cover it up under excuses
the facts are
lowndes braked and kelly WAS NOT UNDER HIM
kelly then used that to try out brake lowndes and whilst doing so tried to make a gap into a hole that was never there..

play it down like true rick kelly fans facts are he used a dirty tactic to win and i rate it up there,with the ingall skaife incident and the bathurst that DJR lost to the crylines thats how im taking it... :cussing:

[ls2maloo]

Mate I'm on holidays now for the next 6 weeks so I'm going to flog this thing like a dead horse.Go RK what a wonderful way to spend my christmas break rubbing this stuff into you fraud guys ,yeah baby.

[AussieTone]

I think those of us who are disappointed are mainly let down due to the way a great race was cut short due to the incident. I am not saying I agree or disagree with Kelly’s action but he did receive a drive through for it which is exactly the result that would have happened at any other race during the season. If it wasn’t the final race of the year and deciding the championship we would not have heard any more on it. It has been happening all year after all.

It is just unfortunate for us that Lowndes sustained damage which resulted in Game Over and robbed us of a potentially great race.

What I did not like was the way Tander backed Lowndes up into Kelly in race 2. That was definitely not on in my books but when you look at Formula 1 the same thing occurs.

I think one positive that came out of this is that rules for 07 may be changed. We all want to see door to door racing where winning is the name of the game not planning to be champion at the start of the season by being consistent all year and not giving it 100% each race.

It seems wrong to me that you can win a championship by not even coming 1st in one race during the year.

[matt.vzss]

Reading all this reminds me of the line from Days of Thunder

No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'. :lmao:

Love it.:lmao: :lmao:

It is so true aswell.

[GTP006]

i see you have signed up today, hopefully not just to have a sook :hmmm:

if lowndes is the better driver, faster driver, and has the better car...surely he would have been a few minutes down the road....not sitting on ricks nose throughout the weekend....

im sick of hearing how good craig is and how shit rick is..... :cussing:

and can anyone out there confirm for me that craig has never done anything similar throughout his entire career to what rick did on the weekend ? :hmmm:

get over it, bring on next year :driving:

I did sign up today - the plan was to discuss the issue at hand. This is a forum right??

I have never said that Rick is a shit driver, anyone who keeps a drive in the top grade has talent that you or I can only imagine. Tander is a prime example of that if you have ever followed his career in other forms of motorsport. Look through CL's history but do me a favour and look through RK's at the same time. I'd love you to post the results.

BTW - you must be kidding about Lowndes being a few minutes up the road right?? I mean, it was bloody early in R3 . As for R1 & R2, you are on your own if you think Lowndes wasn't being held up. You did watch it didn't you?

[HazzaHSV]

Yeah and? You think they don't dial in the new car with all the same settings as the old one. I am sure if a new car made that much difference they woulnd't have given him a new car for the penultimate round of the championship in which he was a major player. And anyway my main point was the blow for blow last 20-30 laps of Bathurst, but you chose to ignore that. Nice.

Are you the only one who doesn't know Lowndes was driving a BRAND NEW CAR?? :whip:

[OLS108]

I did sign up today - the plan was to discuss the issue at hand. This is a forum right??

I have never said that Rick is a shit driver, anyone who keeps a drive in the top grade has talent that you or I can only imagine. Tander is a prime example of that if you have ever followed his career in other forms of motorsport. Look through CL's history but do me a favour and look through RK's at the same time. I'd love you to post the results.

BTW - you must be kidding about Lowndes being a few minutes up the road right?? I mean, it was bloody early in the race. You did watch it didn't you?

Lowndes has a Better History No doubt... But 90% of the results were in a Red car :D

Don't get me Wrong Craig is an awesome Driver and i used to be a Huge fan.. and in fact i used to hate Rick as a Driver ( check some of my Posts from a year or so back ) But this year Rick has Proved too be a Strong Consistent Driver who Played the game ( points system) just as Ingall did last year.
Lowndes however has been a Prick of a Driver ( ambrose like in fact ) this year. next year i hope he Lifts his game to the Heights it has been in Previous years.

[GTP006]

Yeah and? You think they don't dial in the new car with all the same settings as the old one.

LMFAO!!! You're kidding right?

[HazzaHSV]

Yeah thats motor racing. Quite often the faster/better driver doesn't win the round, or beat all the other slower drivers. Perfect point in question last round at Bahrain with Rick. Had Lowdnes measure every lap, every race.. but lost a stack of points to him.

My disappointment is that the better driver, faster driver and better car were robbed of the outcome that everyone could see was inevitable. RK didn't have an answer for Lowndes in any of the races and the "main" reasons he was in a competitive position were largely thanks to other drivers going out of their way to promote him.
NO actually. I personally know the number 2 mechanic of HRT. And that's exactly how it goes, then fine tune from there. And as pointed out already it wasn't its first outing. And my main point was Bathurst anyway, which you chose to ignore.

LMFAO!!! You're kidding right?

[SS Enforcer]

BTW - you must be kidding about Lowndes being a few minutes up the road right?? I mean, it was bloody early in the race. You did watch it didn't you?


Nope didn't watch it at all went for a lazy drive on sunday. I knew I would get the result on here afterwards.
Actually I turned the telly on when they were doing the presentation and heard the disgracefull performance of the Fraud crowd at the presentation, I knew then that there was some controversy.

Ford Lost Holden WON ... I know it isn't the fairytale that the Ford guys wanted but it was a racing incident thats it end of story.

cheers

[fyreblade2000]

If I was RK and some one came up to me and said "how does it feel to be a V8 Supercar Champion?" knowing that I won it without winning a race?

I don't think I would be too proud really...

But thats just my thoughts.

[MickNugent]

Gees. Lowndes must not be able to drive 10/10's either, since Rick chased him at Bathurst for 20 laps, sitting on his bumper, going blow for blow. Not to mention out pacing Lowndes by a HUGE margain at the only new track of the season where previous setup data wasn't available. Good one. :doh:

Nice call only problem is youve completely misunderstood my point. Yeah Rick Kelly is so fast!! So how many races did Rick when in 2006 again?

You obviously got what you wanted mate a holden won the championship. I couldnt care less which manufacturer wins i just want to see good racing and yesterdays effort was from from it.

[Techman]

Nope didn't watch it at all went for a lazy drive on sunday. I knew I would get the result on here afterwards.
Actually I turned the telly on when they were doing the presentation and heard the disgracefull performance of the Fraud crowd at the presentation, I knew then that there was some controversy.

Ford Lost Holden WON ... I know it isn't the fairytale that the Ford guys wanted but it was a racing incident thats it end of story.

cheers

you must be like most Holden fans it seems its ok to bend the rules to suit yourself ie drivers for enduros/ new dtm car(sorry ve) and now the blocking tactics used by toms boys.If you cant win fairly its not win at all costs

[X BC X]

I did sign up today - the plan was to discuss the issue at hand. This is a forum right??

I have never said that Rick is a shit driver, anyone who keeps a drive in the top grade has talent that you or I can only imagine. Tander is a prime example of that if you have ever followed his career in other forms of motorsport. Look through CL's history but do me a favour and look through RK's at the same time. I'd love you to post the results.

BTW - you must be kidding about Lowndes being a few minutes up the road right?? I mean, it was bloody early in R3 . As for R1 & R2, you are on your own if you think Lowndes wasn't being held up. You did watch it didn't you?

true, this is a forum......but i do hope that you are currently posting on the numerous ford forums, and havent just picked out ls1 for spite. :whip:

i never stated you said rick was a shit driver, it was a general comment.

why would i post ricks history ? he has already been crucified for a racing incident.
my point, is that incidents like that happen constantly in racing series all over the globe, but it seems beacause this happened on the last race of the year, people are crying foul.
if it happened, as i said previously, in round one, no one would give a toss.....
and any turkey that would bring it up would get the old :nopity:

if lowndes was as good as you are stating on the weekend, he should have taken pole and streamed away..... and sure people can block you, and those people do get punished (ie tander), it aint a 2 lap race, if you are good enough, or as good as you say he was on the weekend, you WILL get past eventually.... :driving:

[hoon69]

does anyone see the difference between a round win and a championship win?

bathurst was bathurst GET OVER IT!

this was phillip island and this is exactly how many are going to see it regadless of how joyful you fans of kelly are


Race 1: Skaife: Bad sportsmanship flag, blocking Lowndes
Race 2: Tander: Bad sportsmanship flag, black flag, blocking Lowndes
Race 3: Kelly: Black Flag, Taking out Lowndes.
your guy wasnt innocent and was giving a penlty whether the panelty was right is nw for the hearing to determine,so dont try make excuses his been found guilty of careless driving,did lowndes get a penalty for anything NO and you know why cause his team mate didnt spend the ound blocking P.rick when he could of,and lowndes didnt punt his way around a track..

rant over you'll should get your facts right KELLY WAS and still is GUILTY
the panelty is the only thing thats the issue?


if lowndes was as good as you are stating on the weekend, he should have taken pole and streamed away..... and sure people can block you, and those people do get punished (ie tander), it aint a 2 lap race, if you are good enough, or as good as you say he was on the weekend, you WILL get past eventually....mate i could punch holes through this all day long if i wanted but i wont entertain you too long but will say this

the cars are almost identical,LOWNDES wasnt the best on the day but on pure results from qaulifying to race 1 and 2 GUESS WHERE KELLY WAS? BEHIND LOWNDES and why did lowndes not STROLL AWAY because of the numerous team mates BLOCKING!!! yeah lowndes could of got by but not by punting the others out fo the way etc he wanted good clean racing and holden didnt bring that today,what they had was 3,4 guys playing the game they were told not to by stewards etc DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY TACTICS ones that do no favours to our sport etc

compaing other motorsport catergories to ours is like compaing V8SC HP to a real horse?

[Justice R8]

Just got off the fone to the 888 crew... will be interesting.. it aint over yet.

my personal view.. much the same as VXSS.. very poor team display from Toll.. skaifes i had no issue with..

RE - Justice.. damn i was hoping to see Whincup shoot through from 20mts back and spear r.Kelly too ;)

.

Pagey
If 888 was my team you would have seen it. Would have been like a re run of days of thunder.

I too had no issue with Skaifes driving. They are racing and both Skafe and lowndes enjoy racing each other as they know they will both come out the other end of a move made by each other.

Win it or bin it. Similar to driving a company car or a rental. You always drive them harder.

[HazzaHSV]

WRONG. You stated, "Sure he was agressive but the difference was he could actually drive at 10/10s unlike Rick." You didn't say anything about winning races. You said he can't drive 10/10's. I begged to differ and gave you an example of where Rick certainly matched Lowndes equaly when both going at 10/10's, so going by your comment above Lowndes is incapable of driving 10/10's too (which of course isn't true).

Nice call only problem is youve completely misunderstood my point. Yeah Rick Kelly is so fast!! So how many races did Rick when in 2006 again?


You obviously got what you wanted mate a holden won the championship. I couldnt care less which manufacturer wins i just want to see good racing and yesterdays effort was from from it.
WRONG again! Personally I couldnt care less about the championship. My race weekend is Bathurst. The rest is surplus to me. Shouldn't assume so much.

And just for the record, all I want is good racing too, which is exactly what we got most of the season that I saw, except for the 20 or so taps, panel rubs, misjudgements, crappy stewards decisions etc which happens in any form of motorsport.

[GTP006]

If I was TK and some one came up to me and said "how does it feel to be a V8 Supercar Champion?" knowing that I won it without winning a race?

I don't think I would be too proud really...

But thats just my thoughts.

I'd say TK would say - aren;t you looking for my brother?


true, this is a forum......but i do hope that you are currently posting on the numerous ford forums, and havent just picked out ls1 for spite. :whip:


why would i post ricks history ? he has already been crucified for a racing incident.

if lowndes was as good as you are stating on the weekend, he should have taken pole and streamed away.....

1. Yes active on several forums.

2. Well you did ask for someone to look of CL's history to try and argue with.

3. I never said Lowndes was really great at all, he was however far, far superior to RK at Phillip Island this year.

[fyreblade2000]

[quote=GTP006;789100]I'd say TK would say - aren;t you looking for my brother? [quote]

Fixed it thanks

[HazzaHSV]

Easy mistake to make, but funny none the less. :lmao:

I'd say TK would say - aren;t you looking for my brother?

3. I never said Lowndes was really great at all, he was however far, far superior to RK at Phillip Island this year.
Superior yes. Lowndes has always been good there. But far, far superior no. In fact Rick was alot more superior to Lowndes in Bahrain but I still wouldn't say far superior than him.

[GTP006]

NO actually. I personally know the number 2 mechanic of HRT. And that's exactly how it goes, then fine tune from there.

Mate, the difference between a new chassis and and old one is extreme. They can be made identically, right down to the nearest poofteenth in every respect but they are still very different. The old chassis has been bent and banged and operated under heat and stress. The characteristics of the chassis, roll cage and panels changes dramatically with the fatigues of racing. Your mate is right that they might start with similar settings but I gurantee they end up much different after a few laps!

[Dee Jay]

Not one win for the season the BIGGEST WINNER THAT DIDNT WIN

We have a Biege Cardigan winner Mr Consistant:lmao:

[X BC X]

I'd say TK would say - aren;t you looking for my brother?



1. Yes active on several forums.

2. Well you did ask for someone to look of CL's history to try and argue with.

3. I never said Lowndes was really great at all, he was however far, far superior to RK at Phillip Island this year.

1. good :thumbsup:

2. dont understand this, my point was that craig is protesting ricks move, a move which im sure craig has done before in his career without protest, so why would i need to post ricks history ? it is irrellevant.

[HazzaHSV]

Totally agree. Exactly why Bathurst is it for me. Since last year when Ingall was champion without winning a race, lost interest in this points crap. If I watched any non-Bathurst races, it was just for the action whilst ignoring points.

Not one win for the season the BIGGEST WINNER THAT DIDNT WIN
We have a Biege Cardigan winner Mr Consistant:lmao:

Of course. Which is why no race team turns up to a round (let alone potential championship deciding one) with a car that has not seen a few laps of the track (unless out of their control). In this case, wasn't it by choice and anyway the few laps (read whole race weekend) for dialling it in were done pre-Bahrain as stated earlier.

Mate, the difference between a new chassis and and old one is extreme. They can be made identically, right down to the nearest poofteenth in every respect but they are still very different. The old chassis has been bent and banged and operated under heat and stress. The characteristics of the chassis, roll cage and panels changes dramatically with the fatigues of racing. Your mate is right that they might start with similar settings but I gurantee they end up much different after a few laps!

[MickNugent]

WRONG. You stated, "Sure he was agressive but the difference was he could actually drive at 10/10s unlike Rick." You didn't say anything about winning races. You said he can't drive 10/10's. I begged to differ and gave you an example of where Rick certainly matched Lowndes equaly when both going at 10/10's, so going by your comment above Lowndes is incapable of driving 10/10's too..


WRONG again! Personally I couldnt care less about the championship. My race weekend is Bathurst. The rest is surplus to me. Shouldn't assume so much.

And just for the record, all I want is good racing too, which is exactly what we got most of the season that I saw, except for the 20 or so taps, panel rubs, misjudgements, crappy stewards decisions etc which happens in any form of motorsport.

I still have no idea what your talking about mate regarding the 10/10's stuff, youve missed my point. Rick had one of the best cars in the field of course he was gonna be quick at times. He just aint a racer and cant extract that little bit extra like the greats can. Again i watch motorsport for the racing and its very rare to see Rick actually "racing"

Anyways dude ive just about lost interest in the whole series the way its gone the last few years, i couldnt care less. Id rather spend my weekends at the aussie superbikes;)

[Knight Phlier]

When will we find out the outcome of the meeting with CAMS today regarding the RK/TK/CL incident in Race 3?