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hoon69
19-12-2006, 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Rick Kelly
A Message from Rick Kelly to all Toll HSV DT Business Partners, Sponsors & Dealers

Well, we did it. We got the Championship Cup and the Teams Trophy for 2006. Garth, I and the entire team all feel very relieved the tough season is now behind us.

It was a classic team effort that I hope will be useful for all our Business Partners in some way in your marketing plans and advertising programs.
This note is a bit unusual (and lengthy), but, given some recent media comments, I wanted to share with our family of business partners some thoughts:

1. Firstly, thank you for all the encouragement leading up to the final round. There was a lot hanging on it for everyone. And it was very reassuring to know I had such a great lot of friends at HSV, Toll, Holden and other Sponsors right behind us. Beating Craig Lowndes was always going to be a challenge. I knew I was going in as the underdog given Craig’s high profile and experience.

2. Did I tap Craig Lowndes in Race 3? Yes, I did. Did I cause the tap? No, I didn’t. After we both committed ourselves to braking for Honda, there was clearly enough room down the righthand side of Craig for a pass. After positioning my car in the gap, Craig knew ‘I had him’ and began to move over after we were both already braking to the full potential of our cars. He did not allow racing room, which is where the contact was made.

3. Was the tap of such significance to cause Craig to ‘fire’ into Todd and lose control? In my opinion no and from the TV vision, we could see Craig’s closing speed on Todd was far too high for Craig to be able to pull the car up before making contact with Todd.

4. How do I feel about Craig’s comments on TV, newspapers and the Press Release, saying ‘On the day we had superior car speed and it was going to take an accident or incident for them (HSV Dealer Team) to beat us – unfortunately we had both”? Craig has really gone out on a limb here, and I wouldn’t mind betting the authorities look at that comment. I would like to see proof he had superior car speed. I can’t believe Craig would say those words. The PR spin operators must have got involved because while we had some issues in Race 1, my car was more than a match for Craig’s on Sunday.

5. How do I feel about comments that other Holden Teams helped me by blocking? I drove my own race with my own plan – I did not ask for help, nor do I accept my team mate or any fellow Holden Drivers did anything they would not otherwise do in any other race.
Despite this, let me add I have always greatly admired the feats of Lance Armstrong who has always stated his triumphs come as a result of great co-operation with his team mates and I hope our Sport isn’t reduced to the point where planning, trust and understanding with your team mate in motor sport is an ‘offence’.

6. At the four-hour inquiry on Monday, both Drivers were only allowed to be accompanied by one Team representative. Craig had the Triple Eight Team Owner, Roland Dane and I had my Data Engineer, Mike Henry. In my opinion, our evidence was much more convincing as we took a scientific and methodical approach to the analysis of the incident, whereas the other party put the emphasis on emotion. Roland Dane stated at the inquiry that one of his Engineers said he heard me say over the radio to my Chief Engineer before the start of the Race words to the effect that ‘I will make sure this Race will be over in about 2 Laps, rather than 32 Laps!’ Roland Dane was asked by the Investigators to provide the proof of that comment. He couldn’t and I know he couldn’t, because not in my wildest dreams would I have made such a comment. The nicest thing I could say was that it was a blatant exaggeration!! When I heard Roland Dane resort to those tactics, I started to realise all of Triple 8’s creditability on this matter was zero.

Finally, the thing that meant most to me after the round was the overwhelming congratulations and genuine well wishes of virtually every driver from both the Ford and Holden Teams. While there will be controversy among the Holden and Ford fans, it genuinely felt to me like my win was a popular one with my fellow race drivers and competitors, as they understand what happens in racing. The thoughts they expressed to me after the race will be remembered long after the controversy Triple 8 created by their protest and unnecessary sour grapes approach to whipping up a media frenzy and hysteria with Ford fans. It’s all been pretty average stuff on their part.

The best thing all of us can do now is celebrate the victory. Now that I have passed on these thoughts to you, it’s time to relax, head off to the farm for Christmas and look on the light side which is best illustrated by what some scallywag sent me as a potential hot Memorabilia seller next year!! See attached.

Best wishes for Christmas and again, thanks for your great support - that No. 1 on our car next year will be very special and you are all part of it
RICK
rick@rickkelly.com.au
Attach :lets not anti ford/holden bash ay :driving:

brentonsav
19-12-2006, 03:56 PM
lets not anti ford/holden bash ay :driving:

where's the attachment?

otherwise, thats a great post!

X BC X
19-12-2006, 03:59 PM
interesting read

he has come up with answers for a lot of the questions that had been floating around....which shows alot of integrity, instead of hiding or dismissing the issues.

it would be REALLY interesting to read an ubiased report of that inquiry, and what both teams actually presented (not that im calling rick a liar)

csv rulz
19-12-2006, 04:23 PM
I believe that shows a lot of maturity from Rick Kellys point of view

moose
19-12-2006, 04:26 PM
Been wanting to say it since the race.

Congratulations Rick and the team.

:cheers:

And to craig and the team :nopity:

pagey
19-12-2006, 04:50 PM
Well unlike most.. i have seen the data logs from both cars showing speed/throtle % braking etc etc... and Rick is absolutely full of shit.. and he knows that without any evidence - I.e the data logs being made public.. he and Craig can both say what they want.. either fans will believe what they choose..

End of the day.. it's been run and one... i'm over it.:werd:



p.s - no i wont tell you where or post them ;) Don't believe me.. no problem:D

RED R8
19-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Seems a very honest account of what happened he deserved to be champion and I also cant blame Lowndes for protesting he would feel pretty dark but at the end of the day at those speeds that close bumps will happen but both Craig and Rick would be two of the cleanest drivers going round.If Morris bumped him it would be a different story.

gofaster
19-12-2006, 04:58 PM
5. How do I feel about comments that other Holden Teams helped me by blocking? I drove my own race with my own plan – I did not ask for help, nor do I accept my team mate or any fellow Holden Drivers did anything they would not otherwise do in any other race.

Sorry. That comment eliminates any credibility the "article" had to start with. G.Tander in race 2 was ridiculous.


I would like to see proof he had superior car speed. I can’t believe Craig would say those words.

Again in race 2 when tander was given the black flag Lowdnes started to stretch the gap between the two.

Rick is delusional and trying to justify his own crime. He is still young and hopefully he'll grow out of it.

shep1dav@bigpon
19-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Just a couple of points ...

If Tander was not blocking in Race 2 why did he get a black flag? and, if you accept Tander was blocking, Why was Tander blocking Lowndes? Could it be that Rick did not have car speed?

Without the data logs it is difficult to form an informed opinion on the Race 3 incident, however, it looked to me Lowndes was on the passing line for Todd when Rick hit the back of Lowndes. Lowndes then hit Todd in the door. On the issue of racing room for Rick - well, didn't Rick hit the back of Lowndes and not the side ...

Thats my two cents worth.

Covert
19-12-2006, 05:13 PM
Obviously someone is scared of losing the backing of their sponsors from the bad publicity, justified or not.

TUFFIE
19-12-2006, 05:26 PM
:sux: :bs:
My 1 c worth

F6 Hoon
19-12-2006, 06:02 PM
That he even releases a statement like this just show's the type of person he is, and the race he had.

I cannot remember for the life of me the last time a driver released a statement both defending and justifying a race win. Poor form.

As they say, "a win is a win", no matter how it's achieved.

Mikhael
19-12-2006, 06:05 PM
Well done Rick Kelly, you are a champion and deserve the win !!!



Don’t listen to anybody’s negative comments as they can’t see their nose in front of them.



Any reasonable person could see Craig came over on Rick, Rick had the momentum and was cut off, so he had nowhere to go, but “love tap” him. Craig did a lot of this himself in Race 2 !!!

Craig has lost any respect I had for him as a driver now, he has become too arrogant and cocky.



Anyway, bring on 2007, the VE Commodore and lots of wins in the Toll HSV machine !!!

:headbang:

moose
19-12-2006, 06:34 PM
:sux: :bs:
My 1 c worth

I'll put another 1c in with that. This topic has been done to death.

ratter
19-12-2006, 06:35 PM
Rick claims that Craig had too much speed and would not have made the corner without hitting Todd, but how come Rick closed in on Craig when Craig was braking and tagged hime from behind? Would that have meant he would not have made the corner also?

All those that think Craig boxed him out, maybe Craig was trying to make an inside move on Todd because of his greater aproach speed which Rick has allready mentioned


2 things to think about


Unedited Data from the cars would be great to see

maloo_
19-12-2006, 06:43 PM
Go the Kelly Brothers Top Blokes.

seldo
19-12-2006, 07:06 PM
:bravo: What an excellent and mature email/press-release from Kelly. Having played and re-played the "incident" I agree whole-heartedly with pretty-much everything he said.
Despite all the knockers, I think that those who disagree are generally totally one-eyed as displayed by their posts and the attitude therein. I don't care who won - they are both top drivers in top cars, and on the day, the best man won. Those who claim there was collusion and that others were blocking obviously haven't a clue what they are talking about. The fact that Lowndes was held-up by Skaife and Tander is undisputed....but so what? They were all racing for a win and if Lowndes was supposedly so much better why the F didn't he pass them? ....Oh...he wasn't able to.?...guess what...that's racing. It's almost as if he wanted a written invitation to pass. Even if Lowndes was held up (and I concede he was, but not as part of some conspiracy - Skaife/Tander just wanted to beat him) it still didn't make any difference - as long as Lowndes beat Kelly, that was all that mattered - it didn't matter a rat's whether he beat beat Kelly by a minute or a nano-second - as long as he beat him...so what's the big deal about him being held up...?
Having watched the incident umpteen times I really agree that it was largely all Lowndes' own work, and it seemed that he may not have been able to stop whether Kelly gave a little kiss or not, such was his closing speed on Skaife. The touch was hardly of sufficient strength to even unsettle either car so there was nothing in it and I reckon Lowndes did nearly as good a job as the Italians in the World Cup - I'd give him an Academy Award.
Congratulations Rick Kelly - 2006 V8Supercar Champion. :bravo:

Animal
19-12-2006, 07:24 PM
I believe that shows a lot of maturity from Rick Kellys point of view

If you really beleive Rick wrote that then I have a nice bridge that goes over Sydney Harbour to sell you.

Every time another team speaks out about them a legal letter arrives.

Ask Russell Ingal how many he has received from them.


:bravo: What an excellent and mature email/press-release from Kelly. Having played and re-played the "incident" I agree whole-heartedly with pretty-much everything he said.
Despite all the knockers, I think that those who disagree are generally totally one-eyed as displayed by their posts and the attitude therein. I don't care who won - they are both top drivers in top cars, and on the day, the best man won. Those who claim there was collusion and that others were blocking obviously haven't a clue what they are talking about. The fact that Lowndes was held-up by Skaife and Tander is undisputed....but so what? They were all racing for a win and if Lowndes was supposedly so much better why the F didn't he pass them? ....Oh...he wasn't able to.?...guess what...that's racing. It's almost as if he wanted a written invitation to pass. Even if Lowndes was held up (and I concede he was, but not as part of some conspiracy - Skaife/Tander just wanted to beat him) it still didn't make any difference - as long as Lowndes beat Kelly, that was all that mattered - it didn't matter a rat's whether he beat beat Kelly by a minute or a nano-second - as long as he beat him...so what's the big deal about him being held up...?
Having watched the incident umpteen times I really agree that it was largely all Lowndes' own work, and it seemed that he may not have been able to stop whether Kelly gave a little kiss or not, such was his closing speed on Skaife. The touch was hardly of sufficient strength to even unsettle either car so there was nothing in it and I reckon Lowndes did nearly as good a job as the Italians in the World Cup - I'd give him an Academy Award.
Congratulations Rick Kelly - 2006 V8Supercar Champion. :bravo:


Dam you crack me up Seldo :)

seldo
19-12-2006, 07:31 PM
Dam you crack me up Seldo :)
here we go...Tell me where I'm wrong...:) I thought I was wrong once....but it turned out I was wrong - I was right :D ;)

Animal
19-12-2006, 08:02 PM
Didn't really care who won, your not wrong, I may be though :)

Just saying for a grumpy old bugger you crack me up ;)

JT
19-12-2006, 08:13 PM
:bravo: What an excellent and mature email/press-release from Kelly. Having played and re-played the "incident" I agree whole-heartedly with pretty-much everything he said.
Despite all the knockers, I think that those who disagree are generally totally one-eyed as displayed by their posts and the attitude therein. I don't care who won - they are both top drivers in top cars, and on the day, the best man won. Those who claim there was collusion and that others were blocking obviously haven't a clue what they are talking about. The fact that Lowndes was held-up by Skaife and Tander is undisputed....but so what? They were all racing for a win and if Lowndes was supposedly so much better why the F didn't he pass them? ....Oh...he wasn't able to.?...guess what...that's racing. It's almost as if he wanted a written invitation to pass. Even if Lowndes was held up (and I concede he was, but not as part of some conspiracy - Skaife/Tander just wanted to beat him) it still didn't make any difference - as long as Lowndes beat Kelly, that was all that mattered - it didn't matter a rat's whether he beat beat Kelly by a minute or a nano-second - as long as he beat him...so what's the big deal about him being held up...?
Having watched the incident umpteen times I really agree that it was largely all Lowndes' own work, and it seemed that he may not have been able to stop whether Kelly gave a little kiss or not, such was his closing speed on Skaife. The touch was hardly of sufficient strength to even unsettle either car so there was nothing in it and I reckon Lowndes did nearly as good a job as the Italians in the World Cup - I'd give him an Academy Award.
Congratulations Rick Kelly - 2006 V8Supercar Champion. :bravo:

well said Seldo,I totally agree

hoon69
19-12-2006, 08:35 PM
i guess ya'll needed a excuse to VENT AGAIN

thankyou so much
here comes yet another locked thread...


merry xmas :fewl: :yahoo:

dadem0n
19-12-2006, 08:45 PM
Having watched the incident umpteen times I really agree that it was largely all Lowndes' own work, and it seemed that he may not have been able to stop whether Kelly gave a little kiss or not, such was his closing speed on Skaife......

Umpteen times?

Skaife?

Take one Bex and lie down mate :)

Thumper
19-12-2006, 08:47 PM
Here we go again, LOCK DOWN TIME
It's a travelling Circus,
the likes of Lowndes & Kelly are the trained animals (or clowns)
the "team engineers" are the trainers
TEGA are the Ringmasters
you are the punters who pay them all
I'm over it and I definately won't be bothering to watch or attend next year or until the cars actually resemble stock shapes.
(The short wheelbase VE Supercar is a joke).

NODDY347
20-12-2006, 12:50 AM
(The short wheelbase VE Supercar is a joke).

mmm....was wondering how the wheelbase issue was going to be corrected. The other thing the Holden teams MAY benefit from and this is just spitballing, is it will bring the engine further back towards the centre of the car over the VZ racecar. Thoughts?? Sorry for slipping off topic.:)

Animal
20-12-2006, 07:59 AM
Umpteen times?

Skaife?

Take one Bex and lie down mate :)

Great to see someone actually read Seldo's post properly and also got a laugh :D

Thats what was cracking me up, hence the old joke

seldo
20-12-2006, 08:36 AM
Umpteen times?

Skaife?

Take one Bex and lie down mate :)
Sorry champ - I meant Toddler

HSV,_I_GOT_ONE
20-12-2006, 08:56 AM
Does anybody really know if this was a genuine letter from Rick?? I have my doubts but anyway...

GTS LSA
20-12-2006, 09:10 AM
All I can say is "good work" Rick

I also agree with Seldo, almost to the word what I said about the incident the 1st time I saw it................................. if you stuff up - bad luck:hide:

Pickles
20-12-2006, 09:23 AM
Congratulations to Rick Kelly who is now the 2006 V8 Supercar Champion.
Congratulations also to Craig Lowndes who is simply "A Champion"
Cheers, Pickles.

fatas
20-12-2006, 09:34 AM
as long as no1 is on a holden and not a ford i dont care :yahoo:
it was a very good racing year and i hope next year is as good :driving:
RICK KELLY NO1 :werd: :hide:
MARK SKAIFE NO1 2007 :woot:
carnt wait to see the VE in the team war paint :thumbsup:

Rick76
20-12-2006, 09:56 AM
Does anybody really know if this was a genuine letter from Rick?? I have my doubts but anyway...

It appears to be since it is on the Toll website. (http://www.toll.com.au/V8_Supercar.html) The PDF also includes the 888 tissue box photo chop.

spank
20-12-2006, 10:43 AM
something for those that cant accept the stewards decision
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/tissuebox.jpg

V8R
20-12-2006, 10:55 AM
.... lost any respect I had for him as a driver now, he has become too arrogant and cocky :headbang:

You sure you're not confusing the toll HSV cars and the 888 Falcon?

jaykay
20-12-2006, 11:05 AM
something for those that cant accept the stewards decision
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/tissuebox.jpg
CLASSIC...... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

hoon69
20-12-2006, 12:24 PM
NOTHING CHANGES DOES IT:

IQ's of a rocks (pebble at that)

*mods can lock the thread now*
i guess your blind and not all there if you cant read the original 1st post..