VE Wagon.

[SUPERH2377]

i went to holden hq today to find out about the wagon a they said ring the 1800 number. i also picked up the july people mag that goes to holden work people. the aritcle said they shuting down the sa plant for 1 week to get the new tooling for the rest of ve-wm models. i asume that means the wagon and ute but who knows

[Canters]

i went to holden hq today to find out about the wagon a they said ring the 1800 number. i also picked up the july people mag that goes to holden work people. the aritcle said they shuting down the sa plant for 1 week to get the new tooling for the rest of ve-wm models. i asume that means the wagon and ute but who knows

And the response when you rang the 1800 number?

[falcom]

No mate only seen the ute, had a talk to couple chiefs last week and got the lowdown on several new models up to early 09... At least new models that we already expect.... so nothing too exciting to announce.

Do you know when VF is due out??

[SUPERH2377]

And the response when you rang the 1800 number?

they said wait for media release very coy and holding cards close to chest

[BlackCalaisVVE]

Got an email from one of my friends and he reckons that the VE Wagon is going to be based of this http://jalopnik.com/cars/frankfurt-auto-show/cadillac-to-show-new-european-models-in-frankfurt-286705.php

What do you guys think

[HSVMAN]

What do you guys think

Other GM based models are based on VE platform, not the other way round but there may be some styling cues...


Do you know when VF is due out??

ONe would suspect that VE Wagon is due about the time Holden would normally have made a model change. But the changes are suppossed to further between models. My money is on a change same time as wagon release - mostly a frontal facelift, upgrade of mechanicals and specs.
All to ruin Ford's party....

Why else would they leave out the biggest selling model's replacement for so long? ;)

[tim_k]

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/08/cadillac_bls_wagon_frankfurt.jpg

Interesting.... Looking at the similarities in profile between the CTS and VE, this looks to me to be on the money. Any takers on the wagon tail lights showing up on the ute like every holden model before?

[Dug]

Interesting.... Looking at the similarities in profile between the CTS and VE, this looks to me to be on the money. Any takers on the wagon tail lights showing up on the ute like every holden model before?

Definatelly has it's similarities.

[HSVMAN]

......Any takers on the wagon tail lights showing up on the ute like every holden model before?

I'll take you on, I've seen the Ute :)

The wagon profiles (VE/CTS) is similar but thats where it ends

[Avalanche]

Are you saying that you have maybe had a glimpse of a wagon HSV MAN?????? My wife is going to :bawl: if a new avalanche doesnt come out. We were tossing up a senator but we need the space still.

[tim_k]

I'll take you on, I've seen the Ute :)

The wagon profiles (VE/CTS) is similar but thats where it ends

oh well........... :(

Keep working on the process of elimination. The VE wagon will not look like the CTS.

[HSVMAN]

Are you saying that you have maybe had a glimpse of a wagon HSV MAN?????? My wife is going to :bawl: if a new avalanche doesnt come out. We were tossing up a senator but we need the space still.

I do think there will be similarities between VE Wagon and CTS but thats all I can ascertain from what's been passed down the line. But like I said similarity is where it ends.

I can tell you there will most definately NOT be another Avalanche, sorry.

[Black AH CDX]

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/08/cadillac_bls_wagon_frankfurt.jpg

Interesting.... Looking at the similarities in profile between the CTS and VE, this looks to me to be on the money. Any takers on the wagon tail lights showing up on the ute like every holden model before?

Except that ain't a CTS. Its a BLS which is based on the Saab 9-3, they are built in the same factory, infact they share most of the interior as well.

BLS:
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_geneva/0503_3+2006_Cadillac_BLS+Interior_View_Steering_Wh eel.jpg

9-3:

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/ag/saab_93sportcombi_20t_2007_interior_19_346x270.jpg


I have heard that the rear styling of the VE Wagon will be similar to the Saab 9-3 SportCombi

[BadMac]

I think this one posted a few pages back from an unknown author is probably pretty close and very nice (bulked up agressive RS4 looking). Imagine that in HSV trim.

I don't think those rear reflectors are right or that the taillights will be like that (shame as the SSV ones look good on there).

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/c136h-1.jpg

[Canters]

With all buzz on this website about the release of the VE ute within the next 2 weeks, I guess it now looks like the VE wagon is not going to be release till next year........NOT HAPPY JAN!!!!

[shane W Z]

With all buzz on this website about the release of the VE ute within the next 2 weeks, I guess it now looks like the VE wagon is not going to be release till next year........NOT HAPPY JAN!!!!


I believe that was the plan all along,but not sure about that.

[Hamico]

Someone posted this over on GMI News. Trying to find out where it came from. Looks pretty good!
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/mcshane27/c136h.jpg

I agree, this looks bloody sensational. It looks very BMW. Only hope it ends up looking like this :cool:

[HSVMAN]

I agree, this looks bloody sensational. It looks very BMW. Only hope it ends up looking like this :cool:

I'm told the look of the new SS-V wagon will possible have it competing with sedan

[BadMac]

I've heard there may well be a HSV wagon this time. If so and it looks like that above chop, it will be very tempting.

I hope that chop isn't setting us up for dissapointment when Holden release a good looking wagon which is shown up for what more it could have been.

[HRTSV8]

I'm told the look of the new SS-V wagon will possible have it competing with sedan

Does this mean a SS-V Wagon is confirmed because I bloody hope so. This waiting is killing me.

[HSVMAN]

Does this mean a SS-V Wagon is confirmed because I bloody hope so. This waiting is killing me.

Dont take my word for it but.......... yes - according to the wee chap I spoke to from Holden. He hasnt let me down yet.

I am assuming they will be in small production lots but he said "not when people see it" so........ :)

[WGN 88]

Yes...very much so



Hyeah and everyone knows the talilights on a wagon r different to the sedans! :1peek:


edit: yeah just ignore that

[wanaVE]

:drool:Hmmm Wagon :drool:

[Swordie]

I'm like what the future Falcon looks like. I wonder if they will have a wagon equivalent. It would be a shame if they extended the life of the AU based wagon.

[HSVMAN]

I'm like what the future Falcon looks like. I wonder if they will have a wagon equivalent. It would be a shame if they extended the life of the AU based wagon.

No-one has seen what it really looks like yet but from what the pics show so far its looking quite good for a re-shell.
In essence they are extending the life of the wagon, its on the same platform. I think they will cut the wagon models back significantly

[v8mumbo]

I'll be quite happy as long as:

1. The Wagon is not further delayed unnecessarily.

2. It looks anything like the chop from a few posts ago.

3. A decent number of variants with a 6.0L V8 6-sp auto option are available. If I want a hot version I'll just chip it and change the cold air intake etc. If $ available maybe install a shorter diff and some performance brakes.


The wait is killing me too, and my tired old Gen III V8 wagon as well.

[HSVMAN]

. 3. A decent number of variants with a 6.0L V8 6-sp auto option are available.

I'm picking

1. Omega Wagon V6
2. Berlina Wagon V6
3. SS-V Wagon V8

Or something like that... Perhaps another V8 option, Berlina or Calais

[SecretSquirrel]

I find it so frustrating that manufacturers ignore wagons! I REALLY hope that Holden offer a 'normal' V8 wagon as well as say an SSV type thing. I'd be all in amongst that.

It sucks that all you can buy in wagons these days (without going Subaru or Euro) is pretty much plain jane vanila telstra style boring wagons. If there'd been an SV6 wagon available when I bought the Adventra, I would have got one of them.

I really hope Holden attend to this market gap rather than assuming anyone who wants to carry anything will buy an SUV (which has less carrying capacity than a Commodore or Falcon wagon anyway).

Si

[old holden V8]

So, surely there must be some test mules about?

I remember seeing the new VE's in East Gippsland around July 2006.

Anyone seen anything?

Cheers

Laurie

[NewVLT]

I'm picking
1. Omega Wagon V6
2. Berlina Wagon V6
3. SS-V Wagon V8
Or something like that... Perhaps another V8 option, Berlina or Calais

Well February 2008 marks the 20th anniversary of the launch of the last Calais wagon Holden made so fingers crossed. It would also make it just that much easier for a Senator to follow.

[HSVMAN]

I find it so frustrating that manufacturers ignore wagons! I REALLY hope that Holden offer a 'normal' V8 wagon as well as say an SSV type thing. I'd be all in amongst that.

It sucks that all you can buy in wagons these days (without going Subaru or Euro) is pretty much plain jane vanila telstra style boring wagons. If there'd been an SV6 wagon available when I bought the Adventra, I would have got one of them.

I really hope Holden attend to this market gap rather than assuming anyone who wants to carry anything will buy an SUV (which has less carrying capacity than a Commodore or Falcon wagon anyway).

Si

Most of the decisions made on Commodore models, be it wagon or sedan, are based on customer demand. SS Wagon sold very slowly, as did any other V8 wagon derivative

[CharlieDontSurf]

I think Holden needs to create a new model with the wagon. Have the omega for Fleets, The SS and Berlina as per normal VE. But create a "sportswagon" model which would essentially replace the SV6. It comes with 195 v6 and A5/M6 tansmitions and tone down the front spiler from the sv6 so mums and dads(read mums) feel it doesnt look to full on and doesnt scrape on speed humps whenm loaded.
Also have a decent 7 seat option with a set up similar to the Captiva

Who needs an SUV

[Cobalt]

I think Holden needs to create a new model with the wagon. Have the omega for Fleets, The SS and Berlina as per normal VE. But create a "sportswagon" model which would essentially replace the SV6. It comes with 195 v6 and A5/M6 tansmitions and tone down the front spiler from the sv6 so mums and dads(read mums) feel it doesnt look to full on and doesnt scrape on speed humps whenm loaded.
Also have a decent 7 seat option with a set up similar to the Captiva

Who needs an SUV

It would cost holden 10 million to do what you are asking and they have to sell a whole lotta cars to get that back.

Bumperbar changes in tooling alone can cost up to 5 million....

The sv6 and the ss hav the same kit to avoid this cost. I don't think they would make one for a wagon if they didn't change it for the ss and the sv6 of which they will sell 100 fold the number of wagons.

Exterior bumper changes are massively expensive when they have to make them out of latest materials. The design and approval is massive and cost holden a fortune.

It is never gonna happen. Best we can hope for is an SS kit with mods. Hopefully they have designed the wagon and utes so the can modify the mold for the side skirts easily. We will probably get a lip extension to the standard wagon rear bar same as the VY SS Wagon.

We just need more people in this country to make these thing viable. The business case is no there for all the wants in this thread.

Cheers

Chad

[Swordie]

I would hope Holden have plans to export the VE wagon. If the 300C wagon has a good market in the U.S then the VE should be able to sell a few. It will have more space, better handling and probably better safety features a 300C.


If the G8 goes well what would stop HSV from supplying a few sedans and wagons in the U.S?

[Avalanche]

We just need more people in this country to make these thing viable. The business case is no there for all the wants in this thread.

Cheers

Chad

You are right there Cobalt, its funny how when we had the vy/vz wagons out, no one really gave a crap. Now everyone is jumping up & down about all the different variants. Me personally, i think its all talk. Most people talking on here wont part with the hard earned. We are waiting at the moment. We did look seriously into a senator. But it wont cut the mustard. So we will wait & see if hsv do a wagon similar to the ava or a senator wagon maybe, then its trade time. They are still not going to be massive sellers, maybe a couple of hundred. As for ss & ssv versions, look how long the vy ss wagons sat in the showrooms. In the end holden/hsv are here to make money.

[HSVREDSLED]

You are right there Cobalt, its funny how when we had the vy/vz wagons out, no one really gave a crap. Now everyone is jumping up & down about all the different variants. Me personally, i think its all talk. Most people talking on here wont part with the hard earned. We are waiting at the moment. We did look seriously into a senator. But it wont cut the mustard. So we will wait & see if hsv do a wagon similar to the ava or a senator wagon maybe, then its trade time. They are still not going to be massive sellers, maybe a couple of hundred. As for ss & ssv versions, look how long the vy ss wagons sat in the showrooms. In the end holden/hsv are here to make money.

True....however.

The increased takeup in salary packaging for many govt/non govt, 30 to 40 year old employees, has enabled many a rev head to flick the camry and grab a HSV or SS or similar. These folk are now at the end of leases and have growing families. I think a SS Wagon would be a winner. Im waiting...

[HSVMAN]

True....however.

The increased takeup in salary packaging for many govt/non govt, 30 to 40 year old employees, has enabled many a rev head to flick the camry and grab a HSV or SS or similar. These folk are now at the end of leases and have growing families. I think a SS Wagon would be a winner. Im waiting...


The thing that will grab the buyer's attention is the sports oriented look like an Audi Wagon but beefier. So yes I think more wagons will sell

[Holden Man]

Wagon Chop #865 ! >

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/25901/2006321800365691993_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006321800365691993)

[NRD80Y]

Wagon Chop #865 ! >
As usual Holden Man, top job :thumbsup: If this was released in V8 AWD id buy it :bow:

[Cobalt]

As usual Holden Man, top job :thumbsup: If this was released in V8 AWD id buy it :bow:

Due to the number that were sold I rekon we will never see AWD in the Commodore line up again. Again just not commercially viable to develop for the current model with the volumes it would get.

They developed the Adventurer to compete with the territory and when it didn't it got the can. I bet there are still some pretty burnt fingers not willing to go down that path again.

Cheers

Chad

[HSVREDSLED]

Due to the number that were sold I rekon we will never see AWD in the Commodore line up again. Again just not commercially viable to develop for the current model with the volumes it would get.

They developed the Adventurer to compete with the territory and when it didn't it got the can. I bet there are still some pretty burnt fingers not willing to go down that path again.

Cheers

Chad

That was their mistake right there. The AWD GM version lacked the ground clearance to even compete with a territory or similar. Two different classes of car IMO.


Wagon Chop #865 ! >

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/25901/2006321800365691993_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006321800365691993)

Grabs cheque book....

Sign me up RIGHT NOW!!! Looks great.

[Avalanche]

That was their mistake right there. The AWD GM version lacked the ground clearance to even compete with a territory or similar. Two different classes of car IMO.



Grabs cheque book....

Sign me up RIGHT NOW!!! Looks great.

Dont know where you got your info there. the awd holdens had heaps better clearance than nearly all the other awds in the market with the exception of the coupe4. As for numbers they made a mistake not releasing the 6 cyl version. If they do one like the above chop in awd it will be awesome.

[Cobalt]

That was their mistake right there. The AWD GM version lacked the ground clearance to even compete with a territory or similar. Two different classes of car IMO.
.
They tried to use a car to compete with an SUV. People who wan't suv's want them to lok like that not cars on roids. They missed the market and payed the price.

With GM now using cheaper korean products for Territory Style vehicles for the world (not getting into the debate about whether they are good or bad) we wont get 4wd on the commodore platform. I am more than happy to be wrong. The world is moving to minimisation of duplication and 4wd for a commodore is a duplication they don't need.

We also don't have ice and snow down here like in europe at least not in the quanties that effect most of the population. In europe those conditions make 4wd in cars important.

Cheers

Chad

[Holden Man]

Hi Cobalt, I know it's off subject but I had to say that I saw (infact I heard it before I saw it !) the Katie wagon a little while ago (fairfield road I think) and it looked and sounded friggin awesome - very nice wagon. (awesome job) :bow:

back to the VE wagon :)

[Cobalt]

Hi Cobalt, I know it's off subject but I had to say that I saw (infact I heard it before I saw it !) the Katie wagon a little while ago (fiarfield road I think) and it looked and sounded friggin awesome - very nice wagon. (awesome job) :bow:

back to the VE wagon :)

Cheers:):):):)

[Holden Man]

variations - I wanna see the real thing !!

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/8855/2001719102936981424_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001719102936981424)

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/24162/2002912014839826290_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002912014839826290)

[Danv8]

variations - I wanna see the real thing !!

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/8855/2001719102936981424_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001719102936981424)

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/24162/2002912014839826290_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002912014839826290)


Wow they look great!

[HSVREDSLED]

Dont know where you got your info there. the awd holdens had heaps better clearance than nearly all the other awds in the market with the exception of the coupe4. As for numbers they made a mistake not releasing the 6 cyl version. If they do one like the above chop in awd it will be awesome.

Maybe its a perception thing. I just didnt see many AWD holdens on the beach or muddy tracks..


They tried to use a car to compete with an SUV. People who wan't suv's want them to lok like that not cars on roids. They missed the market and payed the price.

With GM now using cheaper korean products for Territory Style vehicles for the world (not getting into the debate about whether they are good or bad) we wont get 4wd on the commodore platform. I am more than happy to be wrong. The world is moving to minimisation of duplication and 4wd for a commodore is a duplication they don't need.

We also don't have ice and snow down here like in europe at least not in the quanties that effect most of the population. In europe those conditions make 4wd in cars important.

Cheers

Chad

I agree, and sort of the point I was trying to make in my above post.

PS. Im not bagging avalanches etc. I like them. I just want a VE RWD V8 Wagon produced. (Reason being..the AWD version would price me out of the market)

[iloveholden]

Now that we have all seen the new ve ute and its new rear light style maybe Holden will use that light style.

If anyone can get a pic of a wagon and impose the ve ute lights, it would be interesting.

[Avalanche]

holden man those chops are looking pretty awesome. I think holden will have a winner on their hands if they look anthing like the chops. Its just so far away from the standard wagon look of the last 15 plus years.

[SecretSquirrel]

Regarding the Adventra, I think it was a mis-understood car. I think it was a mistake to aim it at the SUV market because as has been said, it's not an SUV, it's an AWD Wagon like the Outback, that Audi thing and the Volvo something or other. I think there's a market for that, I treat it like a wagon that is exceptional in the wet, not an SUV.

I agree not releasing the V6 version before the V8 with it's unholy thirst was probably what killed it which is a real shame.

It's sad we'll probably never see another AWD Commodore platform, I really like my Adventra.

The Adventra actually has better ground clearance than the Territory as has been stated. It's departure angles aren't great though.

However, I'd be happy if there were a Berlina wagon with a V8 option and sports suspension option like the Berlina sedan priced similar to the Berlina sedan, I'd sign up for that.

Si

[Swordie]

I never saw the Adventra as a competitor to the Territory. The Territory was a very cleverly conceived car by Ford Australia. It was for people who wanted a 4WD / SUV looking car with car qualities such as handling and economy at a good price.

The Advetra as mentioned was Holden’s equivalent of Subaru or Audi wagon. It was developed at a time when Holden had more money and headed by an engineer who had a passion for cars.

[CharlieDontSurf]

Holden shot themselves in the foot with the adventra. They sold an acclaim sedan with esp but not the acclaim wagon hoping people would jump into the adventra SX6 for a similar price which had esp. Problem is most buyers of the acclaim wagon are fleets and Most wouldnt pay the extra for increased fuel consumption with e same load carrying capacity

If you look at the adventra as a Vz wagon with the 190 HFV6 engine 5speed auto ,AWD and esp you cant go wrong. You couldnt tick any of those boxes with the standard wagon. .

A VE wagon should tick all those boxes except the Awd and have a better chasis and styling. Hopefully it will bring people back from SUV's by being more practical inside. Bar increased ride height the packaging should be the same as the Territory RWD

[SecretSquirrel]

If you look at the adventra as a Vz wagon with the 190 HFV6 engine 5speed auto ,AWD and esp you cant go wrong. You couldnt tick any of those boxes with the standard wagon. .


Couldn't agree more.

[v8mumbo]

I would not be able to afford an AWD VE wagon either.

A Calais spec RWD V8 wagon would do me (call it sportswagon or whatever). The Calais has excellent front seats, great comfort and support. I dont want a Berlina wagon simply because the seats are crud. The seat base is just not long enough.

:)

[Holden Man]

Quickly stuck on the ute profile (and lengthened the wheelbase) >

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/25311/2000799148494768975_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000799148494768975)

[chops]

... The Calais has excellent front seats...


I haven't driven a VE Calais, but the seats are my biggest complaint about my Calais - SS or HSV seats are much more to my liking.

[SecretSquirrel]

Quickly stuck on the ute profile (and lengthened the wheelbase) >

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/25311/2000799148494768975_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000799148494768975)


Sign me up for one of those! Although there's something not quite right about the rear wheels and rear door. Can't put my finger on it, but looks fantastic otherwise!

Si

[NRD80Y]

I haven't driven a VE Calais, but the seats are my biggest complaint about my Calais - SS or HSV seats are much more to my liking.

The one reason (other the price) I chose the SS-V over the Calais-V. I love my SS seats :love:

Holden Man - I think your gonna be pretty close with this chop as you were with the ute :thumbsup:

[Holden Man]

..... Although there's something not quite right about the rear wheels and rear door. Can't put my finger on it, but looks fantastic otherwise!
Si

shitty blending because I was rushing !! :)

[HSVMAN]

Quickly stuck on the ute profile (and lengthened the wheelbase)

That looks great but I dont think they are changing the wheelbase from sedan

[Evman]

Holden couldn't have brought out the 6 cylinder Adventra before the 8 anyway - it was still the Ecotec when it was released!

If the ute's been stuck on the short wheelbase, wouldn't the wagon too? It'd be shooting itself in the foot on the long wheelbase - heavier, longer, less dynamic. If it's going to work, it'll have to compare to the 300C wagon and the other sports-wagons on the market.

[Holden Man]

That looks great but I dont think they are changing the wheelbase from sedan

I hope so, as I think it will look more sporty/euro with the sedan wheelbase. But I thought the ute would be sedan based aswell !

[large]

I was told by a dealer yesterday who went to the ute launch that the wagon is sitting on a short wheel base (they were shown pictures) and told.

She said she couldn't say much other than its nothing like we have ever seen and more like an SUV but lower but real sporty looking. Short back with less room but gorgeous.

Lets wait and see.

[Calais V 6.0]

Quickly stuck on the ute profile (and lengthened the wheelbase) >

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/25311/2000799148494768975_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000799148494768975)

Are those Aston Martin wheels?

[chops]

I would love a wagon that looked like that chop.

[Machine__Head_]

No idea if theyre aston wheels... but i sure as hell hope they bring out some stock wheels like that thats for sure.

[Holden Man]

Are those Aston Martin wheels?

Well spotted ! (correct)

[Canters]

Now that the VE ute has been released, lets hope we start seeing some spy pics of the VE wagon.

Surely they must be starting to road test the wagon by now!!!

[X BC X]

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc303/MARTYMUNRO/220820071106800x600.jpg?t=1188046548



from
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=73731&page=38&highlight=ve+ute

[BadMac]

That wagon above is a fake, look at the rear quarter windows on the far side, the window/pillar lines don't match (thin on near side, thick and 3 of, on far side).

[Rick76]

That wagon above is a fake, look at the rear quarter windows on the far side, the window/pillar lines don't match (thin on near side, thick and 3 of, on far side).

Perhaps not.... maybe thick on near side but blacked out behind glass which = only 2 on the other side ;)

[HRTSV8]

damn that looks good but hopefully there will be a ss-v version

[VLturbo3.0]

i heard from a guy (reputable source, just don't want to give to much info away) that the rear looks very similar to a territory and if you put a pram in the back there will be stuff all room for anything else...

Oh and the roof does slope down like the pics in the above posts, but the way he was talking it might be more of a drop

[SecretSquirrel]

i heard from a guy (reputable source, just don't want to give to much info away) that the rear looks very similar to a territory and if you put a pram in the back there will be stuff all room for anything else...

Oh and the roof does slope down like the pics in the above posts, but the way he was talking it might be more of a drop

That's a real shame. The great thing about the Falcon and Commodore is that you can fit a TONNE of crap in there.

I hope it doesn't droop towards the back either, that looks a bit average in my opinion.

Si

[Holden Man]

I reckon that Holden Wagon is the real deal (probably a cgi though).

Not as good for load carrying as the old wagon but that looks tens times better IMO.

Looks like the 300C Wagon or A6 Wagon with the sloping rear. Very cool

[Highway]

from
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=73731&page=38&highlight=ve+ute

Been told today that this is the new SS wagon (as seen) due out March 08.(Post 320)

Cant wait.

[KeenGolfer]

Been told today that this is the new SS wagon (as seen) due out March 08.(Post 320)

Due on my birthday? That'd make a nice pressie :)

[CharlieDontSurf]

They do look like photos of a projector screen. Any more info of where they came from?

Notice the wagon tailites are different to ute despite same cutout. On sedan SSv has different lights to ss and wagon appears to be an SS (based on alloys)unless the wheelarches are narrower for more load space like the last wagon and 19's and 20's dont fit. Who knows??
This would make sense from a business case perspective as the only way the wagon could be prodcued would be to have a viable fleet market who are the biggest buyer so it may be a consession thatthe rest of the range has to accept.

Fake or not that wagon is the ducks guts..

[Holden Man]

Just cleaned the pic a little >

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/25564/2003862533015015147_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003862533015015147)

I like the tail lights, window profile, sloping roof, tailgate, rear window, rear wheel arch - okay I like all of it !

[jas_the_ace]

Got a bit bored today and decided to do a 5 minute chop of the wagon.

Note: i didnt spend much time on it so constructive critisism is all good :)

http://a598.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_d9b478e92f9c21ecc8a07f46cb9be31d.jpg

[Danv8]

Got a bit bored today and decided to do a 5 minute chop of the wagon.

Note: i didnt spend much time on it so constructive critisism is all good :)

http://a598.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_d9b478e92f9c21ecc8a07f46cb9be31d.jpg


All its missing is the coffin in the back.
;)

[jas_the_ace]

All its missing is the coffin in the back.
;)

Enough said haha :)

[iloveholden]

All its missing is the coffin in the back.
;)

haha spot on

[Goggles]

hmmmmm......no credit to any website in this story:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=42958

[large]

Well spotted Goggles. The should just call themselves "Copy and Paste".

I was told by a dealer that pictures of the wagon were displayed at the Ute lauch. Obviously some naughty person had a camera. I would suggest that the image is 100% legit.

[v8mumbo]

If the new wagon looks as good as that projector shot photo, I'll be putting my order in now. So much better than any previous Aussie wagon!

I hope they make the six speed auto available (or at least optional) on all V6 versions as well. I reckon it would be cheaper to just source one auto tranny, and it would nullify any Toyota claims about Aurion's standard 6-sp auto. I heard DSI Australia can supply Australian made 6 & 7 speed autos, which are supposed to be more refined than the GM 6L80E, but not quite up to ZF standard.


I haven't driven a VE Calais, but the seats are my biggest complaint about my Calais - SS or HSV seats are much more to my liking.

Chops, I agree the VZ and prior Calais seats are dreadful. I regularly drive one. But the VE Calais seats are totally different, and a vast improvement.

[SUPERH2377]

i was looking at cheersandgears.com a site based in yankeeland and they belive that production wont start till feb 08 also check out the g8 coupe picture they call it a gxp g8 they belive that the wagon will get exported to yankeeland

[BadMac]

You mean this?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/copyofnos2006uk6.jpg

[mustanger]

You mean this?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/copyofnos2006uk6.jpg

Now that looks hot :bow:

[Holden Man]

Yeah that G8 Coupe is hot :bow:

[shane W Z]

don't know if this has been mentioned but we're famous!!!


http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/747AC83D4534107BCA257345003F4404


Got a bit bored today and decided to do a 5 minute chop of the wagon.

Note: i didnt spend much time on it so constructive critisism is all good :)

http://a598.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_d9b478e92f9c21ecc8a07f46cb9be31d.jpg


is that a two-piece tail gate if so i like it, not keen on the one piece lift up type

oh and here too

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2787987.aspx

[CharlieDontSurf]

That G8 coupe is amazing. Pity we wont wee it. I agree with having one transmission as standard. HFV6 in the lead up to the VE launch said the french made 5 speed was expensive. But one the 6 speed is being made in the right numbers for worldwide distribution it will probably be cheaper(or force the 5 speed to be cheaper). You'd think too with the G8 deal the economies of sclael would get a better price. I bet Holdens just thinking well until sales decline may as well keep the 4 speed in the Omega and Berlina

[shane W Z]

Just noticed in the carpoint article they claim to have found a VE wagon prototype being tested but were unable to photograph it for some reason!

[eminem]

that wagon (post 320) looks good. have been told that, that is it. I wish I had some more money I would love it as a SSV :bow:

[diabolic]

Got a bit bored today and decided to do a 5 minute chop of the wagon.

Note: i didnt spend much time on it so constructive critisism is all good :)

http://a598.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_d9b478e92f9c21ecc8a07f46cb9be31d.jpg
2 door wagon :confused:

[wablacksv8]

i heard from a guy (reputable source, just don't want to give to much info away) that the rear looks very similar to a territory and if you put a pram in the back there will be stuff all room for anything else...

Oh and the roof does slope down like the pics in the above posts, but the way he was talking it might be more of a drop

I too have from a good source(family member who works for Holden) been told that the wagon will be called a sports wagon, will have a sloping roof (as per the picture)similar to the 300c wagon and at this stage will be available in a SS(no SSV at this stage) plus the usually Omega/Berlina.

[cm_ls1]

this one real ?

looks good


http://www.hammen.net/images/holdenvewagon.jpg

[jas_the_ace]

^^^^^

I hope thats what it looks like!

[Danv8]

Screw the SS-V sedan I want the wagon.

[theVman]

I do have to say the new wagon will look hot if it comes out even close to that image. Interesting to see Holden are pushing the SS / SSV image through all of the Commodore range which is obvioulsy creating a lot of provate buyer interest.

For us its potentially good news as id love to get a V8 VE wagon one day. :smilesandbanana:

[Hamico]

this one real ?

looks good


http://www.hammen.net/images/holdenvewagon.jpg


This looks the real deal

Looks bloody unreal, like it's going fast standing still :thumbsup:

[iloveholden]

This looks the real deal

Looks bloody unreal, like it's going fast standing still :thumbsup:

Yer that wagon looks pretty damn nice. I reckon get those 19 SSV wheels on and do the exhaust, and you have urself on of the best "man" family cars

[HRTSV8]

I too have from a good source(family member who works for Holden) been told that the wagon will be called a sports wagon, will have a sloping roof (as per the picture)similar to the 300c wagon and at this stage will be available in a SS(no SSV at this stage) plus the usually Omega/Berlina.

NO SSV well that sucks:vpo:

[wagnman]

i was down at Holden on Wednesday and everyone there was raving that they had just been to the launch of the ute and how hot it was and they also mentioned that right at the end the Holden team exposed the new wagon and that someone had taken a photo on their phone and had put it up on "a web forum". that red wagon would be the real deal I would say. the guys at Holden were also saying that there was definitely going to be an ssv wagon because I was saying how I hadnt seen anything that has tempted me to trade in the wagon yet and they raved about the SSv wagon.

from those pics I think it'll be absolutely sh*t hot too!

[HSVREDSLED]

Hmmm...looking good.

Quick question..those folk who bought VY SS wagons, what was the approx price difference between the SS wagon and the SS sedan?

[Machine__Head_]

Does anyone see the resemblance between that red wagon and a BMW 1 series? Just much larger and more stretched that the Beemer IMO..

[KeenGolfer]

Hmmm...looking good.

Quick question..those folk who bought VY SS wagons, what was the approx price difference between the SS wagon and the SS sedan?

Officially the price difference was around $2000 RRP, $49k v $51k. HOWEVER, when the SS wagon was first released the VY I SS were being heavily discounted due to VY II being released. I could have got a VY I SS sedan for at least $5000 less than the wagon and a VY I Clubby for about the same price as the wagon. But I really really wanted the wagon :)

[Cobalt]

Little birdie told me : Senator Signature Estate.


Cheers

Chad

[V6Sucka]

this one real ?

looks good


http://www.hammen.net/images/holdenvewagon.jpg

Judging on appearance, if that is the wagon, it doesn't look as though it has much of a cargo space.

[Cobalt]

Judging on appearance, if that is the wagon, it doesn't look as though it has much of a cargo space.

The shorter wheelbase is gonna loose you at least 150mm of space. The ute is at least that much shorter.

I think the pics are a little deceiving. It will be hard to know until we see it in person or the give us a volume for it.

Cheers

Chad

[NewVLT]

I think the window line will be deceiving, taking the attention away fom the actual inside height of the rear part of the wagon. Looking at the shot in earlier posts, if it is a photo of the real deal (still something wonky around the left tail light where it meets the tailgate so I'm not convinced it is) it still looks like more useable space than the dramatically sloping roof of the 300C and with the lower rear suspension on the VE (ie lower rear deck) I think we'll be surprised just what we can fit in there.

My VL Calais wagon takes 160cm x 120cm x 70cm in the back with the seats down comfortably so as long as I can fit at least that in the new one I'll be happy.

Senator Signature Estate ? Sign me up !!
Will the HSV's be released at the same time as the standard wagons ?

[banyo]

I'm surprised there is talk of the VE wagon being automatic only. Surely this must be a mistake. Holden appear keen to develop a 'sports' image and manual VE sedans are already available with either a 6 or 8 cylinder engine. I would be disappointed if there is no manual wagon.

[wagnman]

the guy sat Holden said it was shorter than the VY wagon so I am assuming that Holden have used similar wheel base to the sedan which will be cool for performance but not so cool for the rep's to carry their gear in. (or the families with the strollers and all the other gear that comes with kids)

[Cobalt]

the guy sat Holden said it was shorter than the VY wagon so I am assuming that Holden have used similar wheel base to the sedan which will be cool for performance but not so cool for the rep's to carry their gear in. (or the families with the strollers and all the other gear that comes with kids)

The long wheelbase variants of vt-vz had the extra added after the rear door. The best place for adding extra cargo space.

VT-VZ are cavernous in the rear. I don't think that 150mm will be missed all that much.

The VE long wheelbase variand use different doors and have length added elswhere so ther would be no real advantage for holden to use the longer wheelbase. In fact there would be a decided disadvantage of increased cost for no benefit.

We will have no idea until it shows whether the space in the rear will be to little. Designers are pretty good at making outside look small and inside large.

Take the Mini. It is huge but looks small.

The HSV MAloo was not released at the same time as the Holden UTE so I would expect that tradition to continue with the HSV Wagon.

I would also speculate that the wagon and ute rear bumpers are the same to reduce manufacturing cost and allow HSV not to have to develop a wagon specific rear bar.

Cheers

[dnic63]

It does look good.

But I've got a VT2 wagon with 7 seats - doesn't look like there'll be enough length or height to put the seats in the back.

So, next car will be a V6 Tarago, not a V8 Berlina Wagon.:bawl:

D

[Swordie]

The new wagon looks really good. My disappointment (if it's true) is there isn't the same space as the VY. Ford could be the only one with a wagon with large load carrying space.

I'm really happy with my car and not in hurry to update anyway. I would love to turn my wagon into street usable Hot Rod down the track. By the time it comes to sell it will be worth more to me than dollars someone is prepared to pay. There will be many parts at a good price interchangeable from other Holdens and HSVs.

[CharlieDontSurf]

even though its on a shorter wheelbase than Vz, the VE architecture of fueltank in front of the diff and different rear suspension may liberate a lower loading height. If they reduce the interenal wheelarches as they did with the VT - VY(compared to the sedan) the space available should still be huge. Remember that the VZ wagon is pretty huge

[HSVMAN]

even though its on a shorter wheelbase than Vz, the VE architecture of fueltank in front of the diff and different rear suspension may liberate a lower loading height. If they reduce the interenal wheelarches as they did with the VT - VY(compared to the sedan) the space available should still be huge. Remember that the VZ wagon is pretty huge

Compare VE boot width with VZ and you will have an idea....

[v8mumbo]

Remember also that the VE sedan wheelbase is only 1 inch less than the the VZ wagon wheelbase anyway.:)

[mickeyVX350]

Remember also that the VE sedan wheelbase is only 1 inch less than the the VZ wagon wheelbase anyway.:)

exactly... someone gets it....

it is hard enough to park these new ones anyway without door dings.

aren't cars big enough FFS!

[geary]

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/gallery/Holden_SSWagon2.htm

[SecretSquirrel]

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/gallery/Holden_SSWagon2.htm

I hope the roof doesn't slope down THAT much, but otherwise looks good.

[Canters]

I hope the roof doesn't slope down THAT much, but otherwise looks good.

Agree, that slope is not a good look.......

[johnv]

Not sure if this has been posted but here are some pis'c of the HSV version and the new Coupe

Follow this link.


http://forums.nzv8mag.co.nz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=517


http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1465/5369529/10815997/276551544.jpg

[HSVMAN]

:hide:
Not sure if this has been posted but here are some pis'c of the HSV version and the new Coupe

Sorry dude it doesnt exist and that aint the wagon as we all know now...opps

[geary]

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/gallery/Holden_HSVGTSWagon.htm

Now proven inaccurate.

[SCiFiRE]

your chops get tossed around the internet as "genuine leaks from my mate who works at holden" alot geary *LOL* Id take that as a pretty big compliment

[geary]

your chops get tossed around the internet as "genuine leaks from my mate who works at holden" alot geary *LOL* Id take that as a pretty big compliment

Yeah classic ay... puts a red face on alot of people eventually.

[Zero5]

Well it must be getting closer. The Last VZ wagon has been built:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22374102-5005961,00.html

"HOLDEN has produced its last VZ Commodore, a white station wagon, at its Elizabeth manufacturing facility in Adelaide.

The VZ is the last derivative in the range of locally-produced Holdens which began with the VT about 10 years ago.

Since then the company has produced more than 1.2 million of the cars.

The VZ was replaced by the all new VE Commodore range late last year although Holden is yet to confirm if it plans to build a wagon version of the new model.

Holden's executive director of manufacturing Rod Keane said the last VZ was not so much the end of an era but a sign of a new beginning for Holden's manufacturing operations.

"For over a year, our vehicle manufacturing operation has been producing cars on two product lines, the old VZ model and the new VE car line," he said.

"This has made our manufacturing life complex but thanks to the flexibility of both our people and our technology, we have succeeded in transitioning the plant to a single car line."

With the VZ finally gone, and with plans to export a version of the VE to the US from early next year, Holden will take production at its Elizabeth plant to full capacity in October, building 620 vehicle a day."

[geary]

I reckon this thread should be stickied.

[SCiFiRE]

agreed. replace the ute one.

[Canters]

I reckon this thread should be stickied.

Mr Administrator - how about it???

[old holden V8]

There's gotta be some spy pictures about...anyone?

I wonder if they will ever build a manual V6 wagon again?

ASAIK there has not been a manual 6 cylinder since...VX perhaps? (V8's were VYII SS I believe..)

Cheers

Laurie
:)

[VL Executive]

^ Should be some VY V6 Manual wagons around. They would be rare though.

[HRTSV8]

Remember also that the VE sedan wheelbase is only 1 inch less than the the VZ wagon wheelbase anyway.:)

yes but the front wheels have been moved forward which doesn't add space but makes the wheelbase figure longer so you have lost a lot more than 1 inch!

[HSVMAN]

:confused::confused:
yes but the front wheels have been moved forward which doesn't add space but makes the wheelbase figure longer so you have lost a lot more than 1 inch!

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[cosmo69]

G'day all.

Our local rag (WA) published an article saying there would be no VE wagon! What gives? Any truth to this?

Thanks

[HSVMAN]

G'day all.

Our local rag (WA) published an article saying there would be no VE wagon! What gives? Any truth to this?

Thanks

Bollocks :)

[iloveholden]

G'day all.

Our local rag (WA) published an article saying there would be no VE wagon! What gives? Any truth to this?

Thanks

Yes i read this somewhere as well, i think it was in the West Australian motor section the other day. They said that there would be no VE wagon and this would be an advantage to Ford, as they would steer customers to their models and their Territory.

PLEASE HOLDEN MAKE A VE WAGON, just to give FORD no satisfaction haha

[VX-355]

I don't no if this helps or if anyone has said this but one of the guys that my wife worked with was telling her after she asked about it is that they are being out a HSV GTS WAGON mid next year and they are hoping it with the normal holden will be at the Sydney Motor Show in Oct.

[DUBES]

Anyone have any new updates on the wagon?

Was under the impression (like a couple of the earlier posters) that there was going to be no wagon?

Any real photos?



regards.

[Big_Valven]

There is no doubt that there will be a VE wagon. It has been driven in testing facilities.

From what I know, the plants are about to be readied for manufacture now that the VZ wagon is finished.

I believe a photo was leaked from the ute release however I am not sure where it is now

[BadMac]

Anyone have any new updates on the wagon?

Was under the impression (like a couple of the earlier posters) that there was going to be no wagon?

Any real photos?



regards.


Try reading back through the thread, the answers you seek are there and even pretty recent (post 320).

[Avalanche]

Ok for all the people saying that the new wagon will have the sedan wheel base, i was under the impression that the ute was on the same base as well. In the latest motor it says the ute is on the longer statesman/caprice wheel base. Why would they do the ute on a long base & the wagon on the short??? I cant see that happening. Any hoow, i pulled out my avalanche brochure & compared wheel bases & track etc, with the new ute specs. They are suprisingly close. The ute having a length of 5055mm & width of 1899 its wheel base is 3009mm, front track is 1602mm & rear is 1618mm. Now the ava has an overall length of 5106 & width of 1942 its wheel base is 2948 with a front track of 1617 & a rear track of 1623. The new ute has a 2 inch longer wheel base than my avalanche. Also the ve sedan has a wheel base of 2915mm. If the new wagon is built on a sedan wheel base it is only 1 inch shorter than the ava, if on the ute wheel base it is 2 inches longer than the avalanche. I some how dont think there will be any storage/room issues in the new wagon when its released. Cant wait.

[DUBES]

Try reading back through the thread, the answers you seek are there and even pretty recent (post 320).

Thanks, I meant is there any actual photos like spy pics of them being tested.

[geary]

No sticky mods?

[HARMSY]

No sticky mods?



Doesn't appear the good old wagon deserves one.....:bawl:

[hogs]

Evening,

Got pretty pleased when I saw the images from the recent launch of the Ute that had the Wagon as part of the Power Point presentation, looked OK!

It was also indicated that the launch of the Ute meant that the Wagon would get exposed in September also!!

But in the Heraldsun the other day they stated that it would not be until mid 2008?:bawl:

Any insight into the actual time frame would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Hogs,:)

[theVman]

Do you think they might show the new wagon at the Sydney motor show along with the ute?? that would be interesting!! :smilesandbanana:

[Holden Man]

Ok for all the people saying that the new wagon will have the sedan wheel base, i was under the impression that the ute was on the same base as well. In the latest motor it says the ute is on the longer statesman/caprice wheel base. Why would they do the ute on a long base & the wagon on the short??? I cant see that happening. Any hoow, i pulled out my avalanche brochure & compared wheel bases & track etc, with the new ute specs. They are suprisingly close. The ute having a length of 5055mm & width of 1899 its wheel base is 3009mm, front track is 1602mm & rear is 1618mm. Now the ava has an overall length of 5106 & width of 1942 its wheel base is 2948 with a front track of 1617 & a rear track of 1623. The new ute has a 2 inch longer wheel base than my avalanche. Also the ve sedan has a wheel base of 2915mm. If the new wagon is built on a sedan wheel base it is only 1 inch shorter than the ava, if on the ute wheel base it is 2 inches longer than the avalanche. I some how dont think there will be any storage/room issues in the new wagon when its released. Cant wait.

Yes I thought ute would be long wheelbase initially / but then I was convinced it would be short wheelbase which turned out to be on the long wheelbase !

Looking at the recently leaked pic of the wagon, it is possible it is on the long wheelbase. (hard to tell for sure though)

I am hoping it will be on the short wheelbase as I think it will look better.

[Avalanche]

I reckon, if done on the short wheel base it will have the same , if not more room than the ava still. If built on the longer base then its more room for gear in the back. Either way if hsv do one it will be on the shopping list.

[v8mumbo]

VE Wagon test mules

The last VZ wagon rolled off the production line this week.
I would presume then that some pre-production VE wagons would be produced shortly.
Keep your eyes peeled and phone camera ready for the scoop photo or video of disguised VE wagons being tested.


PS The leaked SS wagon pic does look like its on the long wheelbase

[VH-COM]

VE Wagon test mules

The last VZ wagon rolled off the production line this week.
I would presume then that some pre-production VE wagons would be produced shortly.
Keep your eyes peeled and phone camera ready for the scoop photo or video of disguised VE wagons being tested.




Anyone know what happens to the pre-production cars after testing ???
Perhaps they are given to staff at Lang Lang to use on site or something.
I don't imagine them being crushed or something crazy like that.:bawl:

[huggies]

be awesome if they made a E Series Senator Estate
just like the VT S1:)

[The Brock]

Anyone know what happens to the pre-production cars after testing ???
Perhaps they are given to staff at Lang Lang to use on site or something.
I don't imagine them being crushed or something crazy like that.:bawl:

Some are used as media hacks for reviews, but they are not sold to public, they end up getting crushed, used for fire and emergency crew training etc....


be awesome if they made a E Series Senator Estate
just like the VT S1:)

Don't forget the handful of VT Series II Senator Estates, I think 4 were made ??

[geary]

There's a decent set of three or four CGIs in this month's wheels of the wagon.

[shrimpjnr]

any chance u could scan those pics of the CGI's of the wagon, plz?

[v8mumbo]

There's a decent set of three or four CGIs in this month's wheels of the wagon.

They are probably the same ones that appear earlier in this thread.

[shane W Z]

They are probably the same ones that appear earlier in this thread.

that's a possibility i guess.If anyone has the pics in question are they able to post them please??

[priddy7]

Can't wait to see the new wagon I had a vx 5.7lt with fe2 great car to drive and graet for a young family. My kid use to say mums wagon dads v8...

[demtel]

Just got this link in my email... looks intriguing.. www dot clearyourcalendar dot com dot au

Excuse my low post count and inability to post links...

[laza007]

Just got this link in my email... looks intriguing.. www.clearyourcalendar.com.au

Excuse my low post count and inability to post links...

Wow. very interesting.

[demtel]

If the Ute site was anything to go by, it should get interesting.

[Marco]

Does tend to suggest a wagon reveal at the Sydney show.

[calaisrat]

Thats the same day that HSV have there "biggest moment" maybe there related,
Wagon and senator wagon, as some rumors have speculated maybe ?

[teamkiwi]

My guess as well is that it will be a wagon too...why would they put a pic of a Commie, that kinda looks like a wagon (if you imagine hard enough), but also a snowboarder, parents holden a kid and a lady/man holding a baby??? These items are all associated with Wagons so thats my guess.....But it does say secrets so ill assume that there wil be more than one secret to be revealed???? DI V6????....Hatchback Commie???? New Safer Barina:rofl:

Supercharged SV6

[Canters]

Does tend to suggest a wagon reveal at the Sydney show.

If a wagon was going to be revealed at the Sydney show next week, then surely they would be road testing by now....so where are the spy pics??

[geary]

If a wagon was going to be revealed at the Sydney show next week, then surely they would be road testing by now....so where are the spy pics??

Not if its been at lang lang and is still a few months away... it could be a fibreglass reveal a la Toyota Aurion.

Holden keep making me happy with these 'secrets'

[theVman]

I have heard the wagon has been undergoing testing at lang lang for some time - there was an indication that it in fact handles better than the sedan. Not sure where this came from but it was some time ago.

I'm thinking there is a very good chance the new wagon will be unveiled at the motorshow in some format or another - even if it is just a sneak peak!!

In any case I am planning on going down for a look . . there should be some good stuff there this year compared with last year.

[mgriggs]

there is a viral link for this at clearyourcalender dot com dot au which will have some info as the days go by.

[Bearz]

Does anyone else notice the bluish tinge to the headlights in that photo? Could be that xenon headlamps will become available on the commodore when the wagon is released.

I also reckon the front bumper look a little different, but that could just be the angle.

[mgriggs]

You could be right mate. Can you drop the URL in properly bearz as my account won't let me at this stage.

[Bearz]

Here is the link we are talking about:
http://www.clearyourcalendar.com.au/

[`redoctober]

Ohh how I love you Motor Magazine:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/204102007119.jpg

[Avalanche]

My bloody motor mag hasnt turned up yet:mad: I can feel a new hsv wagon coming on. I knew a senator sedan wouldnt quite cut it.:smilesandbanana: Bastard, i cant read the article.

[NewVLT]

Ohh how I love you Motor Magazine:

Interesting with the Calais grille in the uppermost image.
20th Anniversary Calais wagon ? :)

[SCiFiRE]

Hmm not just a calais grill,
its got Calais chrome on the lower doors, and that looks like a calais V interior.
But i suppose they are CGIs so noone really knows

[geary]

Ohh how I love you Motor Magazine:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/redoctober2d/204102007119.jpg

Holy shit!

Multiple angles, flawless CGI, 100% unique alloys and a open boot shot can suggest one thing:

THESE PICS ARE REAL!

[shane W Z]

Holy shit!

Multiple angles, flawless CGI, 100% unique alloys and a open boot shot can suggest one thing:

THESE PICS ARE REAL!


Since you know way more about these things than i do,as i wouldn't have the first idea about whats a chop and what isn't.I have to agree that they are real.

[NewVLT]

Holy shit!
Multiple angles, flawless CGI, 100% unique alloys and a open boot shot can suggest one thing:
THESE PICS ARE REAL!

Don't know much about CGI either but you'd have to think the boot shot would be the clincher that this is the real deal. Love the wheels !

[kayman]

Read the article "VE Sportswagon concept that unveiled at Darling Harbour".

Minus those 20's, its the new commodore wagon... sorry... sportswagon.

[shane W Z]

Read the article "VE Sportswagon concept that unveiled at Darling Harbour".

Minus those 20's, its the new commodore wagon... sorry... sportswagon.


Is darling harbour where they have the SMS.If so seems to confirm my hunch!!

[korrupt]

Yep, offiicial pics. The 'concept' is also running on E85 biofuel. The pics are of the Calais V version (minus the 20" show wheels). The mag also has first official pics of the new Maloo. It does have those new rear lights that were shown in another thread recently. The magazine doesn't hit newsstands until next Wednesday, the day before the show starts so the official announcements would probably happen before that. Lucky subscribers get the details early. The magazine also confirms the FPV Cobra and F6 Territory, both to be revealed at the show.

[Bearz]

These pics are definately the real deal. I got my copy of Motor last night too and I dont think it was supposed to be sent out this early. The whole way through the magazine if refers to the Motor Show in past tense when its not til next week i believe. Also has full pics of the Maloo.

[teamkiwi]

These pics are definately the real deal. I got my copy of Motor last night too and I dont think it was supposed to be sent out this early. The whole way through the magazine if refers to the Motor Show in past tense when its not til next week i believe. Also has full pics of the Maloo.

So what does the rear tailgate/light setup of the maloo actually look like?

[Bearz]

So what does the rear tailgate/light setup of the maloo actually look like?

I had an extra light extension on the tailgate. The tailgate looks quite different actually. Undecided if I like it yet but i was a bit that way with the sedan HSV tail lights too and now I love them.

[Canters]

So what does the rear tailgate/light setup of the maloo actually look like?


Does the article talk about a release date for the Wagon??

[shane W Z]

Does the article talk about a release date for the Wagon??

Good question.The last i heard was next year,But i also wonder what if anything the article says in that regard.

[SUPERH2377]

I had an extra light extension on the tailgate. The tailgate looks quite different actually. Undecided if I like it yet but i was a bit that way with the sedan HSV tail lights too and now I love them.

THE TAIL LIGHT LOOKS POX I BELIEVE IF IT ARENT BROKE DONT FIX IT .
THE WAGON IN THE ARTICLE SUGGESTS THE CALAIS V AND BERLINA WILL BE IN THE MODEL LINE UP . LOVE THE RIMS ASWELL. THE OTHER NEWS IS THE V8 ENGINES WILL BECOME TWIN CAM 4 VALVES PER CYCLINDER , VVT , DIRECT INJECTION WITH AFM AS PER THE NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIONS IN YANKEE LAND TO ENSURE THE JOBS FOR THE WORKERS . I FOUND IT AT CHEERS AND GEARS

[Big_Valven]

You seem to be yelling...

I have heard a number of sources saying GM will switch to DOHC VVT engines however from what I have heard it is still a long way away.

AND might I say it's an excellent looking wagon, I think those photos are the real deal and if not, then insanely close to what we will get.

It seems strange to me that they might change anything minor (eg headlights, rims etc) for the wagon (ie across the board), they didn't with the ute and I would say it would be more of a series 2 (3?) thing to do.

[geary]

Scan of the maloo and high res wagon anyone?

Cheers

[BadMac]

Yes please

[Bearz]

Unfortunately I dont have a Scanner or the Mag with me.

The article said the Wagon would feature the full range of vehicles:
Omega, Berlina, SV6, SS, SSV, Calias and Calais V. The article (written in past tense) was saying the Wagon was displayed at AIMS as a "Concept" but the only concept part were the 20" wheels and E85 engine. I think it said it would be available some time next year.

[BadMac]

Article up on Drive also.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=44126&vf=12


A full range of models will be offered, starting with the Omega – which will no doubt do the majority of the fleet business – through to the mid-level Berlina and topped by the luxury Calais and Calais V. Holden will also offer a full range of sporting models – SV6, SS and SS-V – for the first time (Commodore SS wagons have been available in the past, but never a range like this).

Each Commodore Sportwagon model will mirror the equipment and safety levels of the equivalent sedan. Pricing has not been disclosed, but the wagon is likely to carry a $2000 premium over the sedan, which starts around $35,000.

The change in focus for the Commodore wagon from fleet-machine to stylish family wagon necessitated changes to the wagon's load area. The tailgate's hinges have been pushed further back into the roof to allow a wider opening, and to make loading easier. It's not known whether Holden has lifted the aircraft-style runners/adjustable luggage tie-down system from Saab, another GM-owned brand.

Engines for the rear-wheel-drive Sportwagon are also lifted straight from the VE Commodore sedan. The Omega and Berlina Sportwagon will have a 180kW version of the 3.6-litre six-cylinder engine, offered with a four-speed automatic transmission. The Calais and SV6 models will get the same engine in a higher-performance 195kW, and teamed with a five-speed automatic gearbox.

Calais and Calais V buyers will be able to option the 270kW, 6.0-litre V8 engine that is standard in SS and SS-V sports models. All V8s will be available with a six-speed automatic transmission; S and SS-V buyers will have to pay extra to upgrade from the standard six-speed manual.

[Holden Man]

Cleaned the background off >

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/31389/2005422497442077064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005422497442077064)
(It's a nice looking wagon - cross between Audi A6 / 300C Wagon)

[VX11SS]

I would be just about tempted to trade the R8 on that, have been looking at the Audi S4 wagons and liking them more and more, so this comes along at a good time lol

[shane W Z]

I Just showed my mum.She reckon's its disgusting!!!!:bawl: i reckon it looks OK as i think i mentioned earlier but not quite practical for my wheelchair by the look of it.If it wasn't for the wheelchair i reckon i may be able to talk the parents into one!! unfortunately dad's a ford person (which is part of the reason we have a ford) and mum claims to not have a preference.But in my book if you're married to a ford person you're a ford person!.

[BadMac]

Cleaned the background off >

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/31389/2005422497442077064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005422497442077064)
(It's a nice looking wagon - cross between Audi A6 / 300C Wagon)

Holden Man you are a legend.

I see lots of Q7 in that rear.

[iloveholden]

Yer that wagon definitaly looks the goods. although the rear wheels looks a little weird after HOLDEN MAN, cleaned up the background.

[teamkiwi]

Scan of the maloo and high res wagon anyone?

Cheers
Here ya go
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9253/5hsvmaloommor4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

from: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=44140&vf=2

To lazy to start another thread: FPV F6X...doesnt look that different from a terrie turbo bar the black inserts. Once again from http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=44137&vf=2

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9479/5cobra1mmwe8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[shane W Z]

Sounds like a certain mag could be in the proverbial poop!!:box:

[Holden Man]

It doesn't look like frogs, more like this >

http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/30742/2005698518530313698_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005698518530313698)

http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/30742/2005648637289598070_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005648637289598070)
(did they put this pic to cover their asses!)

[BadMac]

Guys I created a new thread for the Maloo stuff. This thread can then continue with the wagon discussion.

Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=84660)

[v8mumbo]

A wagon at last!
That is one sexy wagon! Drool.
And a full line-up of variants as well!
I'll be ordering a V8 Calais wagon even though I dont really need 270Kw, I like the torque.

There is a big gap between the "high output" 195Kw V6 and the V8.
Room for a churned V6?
The old VX?? supercharged 6 was great off the line at the lights.

:)

[Canters]

Does Motor mag give any clue to the dimensions????

[kayman]

Does Motor mag give any clue to the dimensions????

Nothing other than its on the short wheelbase.

[old holden V8]

I'd be very interested to know how much room is in the back.

This may determine whether or not reps/tradespeople buy the things.

Unless Holden are targeting a totally new market with this Wagon.

I'd love one though..Calais V 6.0 A6...:drool:

Cheers

Laurie
:)

[Black AH CDX]

Nothing other than its on the short wheelbase.

And on that front I wouldn't believe them. They insisted that the Ute was on the short wheelbase, and its not.


I'd be very interested to know how much room is in the back.

This may determine whether or not reps/tradespeople buy the things.

Unless Holden are targeting a totally new market with this Wagon.



I think its more a case of targeting a different market. Holden's definatley over the reliance on fleet/government/rental sales.

[old holden V8]

And on that front I wouldn't believe them. They insisted that the Ute was on the short wheelbase, and its not.



I think its more a case of targeting a different market. Holden's definatley over the reliance on fleet/government/rental sales.

Fair enough. But aren't those markets/buyers 'bread & butter' for Holden?

And, that will only leave the whole lot to Falcon?

Cheers
Laurie
:)

[BadMac]

Fair enough. But aren't those markets/buyers 'bread & butter' for Holden?

And, that will only leave the whole lot to Falcon?

Cheers
Laurie
:)

Yeah Holden have left Falcon to fight out with Toyota, Nissan, Mitsi. Sounds like a good time to get out and open up a new market.

[HSVMAN]

Fair enough. But aren't those markets/buyers 'bread & butter' for Holden?

And, that will only leave the whole lot to Falcon?

Cheers
Laurie
:)

Only if fleet buyers dont like the VE wagon. Whilst VZ had the best cargo entry for a wagon, it is now supposed to have more "usable space".
So, for the handfull that require the height of cargo space, most others may be more than happy with the total area.
I'm sure I would sacrifice a few things to own one of these over any other wagon

[Avalanche]

Wagon look awesome, i cant wait to see what hsv do with it. I have a feeling that the sports wagon will be the next big thing in the market. I can see alot of people getting out of an suv for this sort of setup. With audi, mercedes bmw etc doing sports wagons, it puts holden hsv into another category up a level from where ford is at with its range. I for one, am happy that holden has given the fleet/rental market the flick. You can go broke sitting on your arse doing nothing, why would you want to go broke giving cars away for jack margin or no margin at all. Holdens setup now looks to be working good, they can give retail buyers good pricing & still make more than they would ever do out of fleets. Bring on the motor show:bow:

[NewVLT]

I think you're right. For sacrificing a small amount of useable space you're getting twice the performance for the same, or better, fuel economy over one of those urban assault vehicles.

The Calais wagon bodes well for a possible Senator to follow. I can't wait and the plates are already reserved !

[Ghia351]

Only if fleet buyers dont like the VE wagon. Whilst VZ had the best cargo entry for a wagon, it is now supposed to have more "usable space".
So, for the handfull that require the height of cargo space, most others may be more than happy with the total area.
I'm sure I would sacrifice a few things to own one of these over any other wagonDo you mean that the VT-VZ wagons could take the dimensionally largest box while the VE wagon can take the greater number of table tennis balls because it doesn't initially look like it. I guess that with a greater portion of production going to export models Holden feel that less sales of wagons overall, ie. sacrafice fleet sales where outright floor space is important and profit margins are much lower, is worth it if you can move into the higher retail price bracket of the private buyer. ie sell less at more margin per unit.

[HSVMAN]

Do you mean that the VT-VZ wagons could take the dimensionally largest box while the VE wagon can take the greater number of table tennis balls because it doesn't initially look like it. I guess that with a greater portion of production going to export models Holden feel that less sales of wagons overall, ie. sacrafice fleet sales where outright floor space is important and profit margins are much lower, is worth it if you can move into the higher retail price bracket of the private buyer. ie sell less at more margin per unit.

Yes basically. I think you will find many fleet buyers will love the new Wagon, but a few will have to go to Falcon (if it has one) or something else that can take a large item

[dadem0n]

I wonder what they will weigh? :idea:

[Holden Man]

Has anyone noticed the cut line on the roof ? (Very 300c Wagonish - is that a word!)

http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/29750/2000514171327866061_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000514171327866061)

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/29177/2002425311714996911_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002425311714996911)

[GETUTED]

Cleaned the background off >

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/31389/2005422497442077064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005422497442077064)
(It's a nice looking wagon - cross between Audi A6 / 300C Wagon)

That is a sweet looking wagon. :bow: If it comes out like that the adventra will be making way :wave:

[HSVMAN]

That is a sweet looking wagon. :bow: If it comes out like that the adventra will be making way :wave:

I agree! I want one and I think they (Holden) will snaffle a few non-GM buyers with this. More so than any other model previously

[Danv8]

Hmm either a SSV or a Calais V Sportswagon although the Calais is not available in a manual.

So looks like its the SSV instead. :)

[HSVMAN]

Hmm either a SSV or a Calais V Sportswagon although the Calais is not available in a manual.

So looks like its the SSV instead. :)

I'm lazy so a Calais -V might be the go :)

[GEN III]

Cleaned the background off >

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/31389/2005422497442077064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005422497442077064)
(It's a nice looking wagon - cross between Audi A6 / 300C Wagon)

Is that for real?

[HSVMAN]

Is that for real?

Yes, why, dont ya like it??

[Black_Utester]

Is that for real?

Are you referring to Holden Man's quote or the pics?

The pics were reveal in one of the motor magazines already and the wagon pics has been speculated way long ago.

[GEN III]

No I like it. :bow: Wow it's really not Holden vs Ford anymore is it? Holden vs BMW, Audi, Merc etc...

[HSVMAN]

No I like it. :bow: Wow it's really not Holden vs Ford anymore is it? Holden vs BMW, Audi, Merc etc...

Opps, dont say that you'll get an ear bashing :lol:

[Mungrel]

No I like it. :bow: Wow it's really not Holden vs Ford anymore is it? Holden vs BMW, Audi, Merc etc...

I tend to agree with you on that,
It certainly does look quite upmarket!

[Holden Man]

In black >

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/28644/2005428483403326563_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005428483403326563)

[nudenut]

In black >

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/28644/2005428483403326563_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005428483403326563)
:drool::drool::drool:

[CharlieDontSurf]

I'm already starting to sort the finances for this car to be in my garage mid next year.SS 6m. Looks so much better than the sedan(subjective I know)

[Louie]

Side glass area is very -- Captiva also.
Not just 300cc.

Hence keeps it in the family

[RAWKUS]

Lucky Sydney Motor Show punters will get to see it. Cars Guide E-newsletter states new Holden Sportswagon to be on display. :bawl:

[Middlez]

Im counting down the hours till tomorrow ta hear more about the wagon and see some good quality shots.. anyone in sydney who's going.. you know what you need to do! :goodtime:

[iloveholden]

:drool::drool::drool:

i agree and im not usually a wagon lover but damn that looks.

Imagine all the pwr you need plus some more is ya:bow: want but cruzin in a Calais V luxury or sporty SS interior. Great options and it opens a whole new market segment for Holden and it does look classy so maybe it can take on the more higher priced competitors.

[Haroc]

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/*query?@&images=60&source=holden

http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101063564_PV.jpg
http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101063538_PV.jpg

[NRD80Y]

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/*query?@&images=60&source=holden

Thanks for the link Haroc. Nice to get a good close up look. I really like the rear seat fold down design
http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101063218_PV.jpg
http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101063048_PV.jpg

I think the Sportswagon will be a really popular model. Will more people go for this than the sedan now?

[lowriding]

nothing over the top but very tidy and smooth . will look great and be practical .love it .
this is interesting > E85 ?:

http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101063501_PV.jpg

[korrupt]

The concept runs on biofuel.

[Ghosn]

Anyone else notice the brake upgrade? Mmmm

And what is BioFuel exactly?

http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101062904_PV.jpg

Click here (http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/previewpage?042201) to access larger pic.

[large]

Full rundown now on the Holden site.
http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/calendar/

I can't wait that long. Second qtr of 08.

[Danv8]

Anyone else notice the brake upgrade? Mmmm

And what is BioFuel exactly?

http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101062904_PV.jpg

Click here (http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/previewpage?042201) to access larger pic.

I think they mean by Biofuel ethanol blend E10.

[chrism697]

I think they mean by Biofuel ethanol blend E10.
not quite i dont think....current holdens can run on E10 i believe, but as the badge suggests (E85) this concept could run on up to 85% ethenol

i think thats the deal anyway, but im happy to be proven wrong

[Black AH CDX]

All current Holdens run on E10 ie 90% Petrol and 10% Ethanol.

As the name suggests E85 is 85% Ethanol and 15% Petrol.

Saab has the 9-5 Biopower that runs on E85 and they are also introducing a 9-3 that runs on the same thing, so maybe Holden will follow suit?

The real interesting thing about the Saab BioPower engines is they actually make more power when running on E85. Could this mean a more powerful V8 for the Commodore????

[Danv8]

not quite i dont think....current holdens can run on E10 i believe, but as the badge suggests (E85) this concept could run on up to 85% ethenol

i think thats the deal anyway, but im happy to be proven wrong

Bugger it!
I saw I was meant to write E85 instead of E10 even though I saw the badge.

I know why the mrs was in my ear about something and I got sidetracked. :)

[Black AH CDX]

This thread should hurry up and be stickied!!!!

[lowriding]

Holden debuts active fuel management

Holden revealed a lightly disguised concept version of the forthcoming Commodore Sportwagon with an advanced version of the Gen IV V8 engine under the bonnet. The engine is capable of running on an E85 blend of ethanol - currently not available at a retail level in Australia.

The engine also has active cylinder deactivation (ACD), which could be introduced on Commodore with the series II facelift possibly in 2008.


Holden boss Chris Gubbey says ACD is particularly relevant to Holden's larger capacity V8 engine, rather than its 3.6-litre V6.

"When you apply it to smaller engines it can start to become counter productive. When you drop from eight cylinders to four cylinders you can still achieve a normal driving experience."

Nice!

source : drive.com.au

[Holden Man]

Looks like I'll have to visit GM weick :)

GTS >
http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/29301/2002376608475965365_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002376608475965365)

Audi "RS" style ! >
http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/30785/2002318318878119799_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002318318878119799)

[GEN III]

New HSV website is a step in the right direction. It's only taken a handfull of years!!!

Thank you HSV!:bow:

[NRD80Y]

How did the American car site 'Autoblog' beat the Australia sites to post the unveil of the Holden Sportswagon?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/10/sydney-2007-holden-debuts-ve-commodore-sportwagon/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/ve_comm_wagon_concept-008.jpg

Still looks good@ :thumbsup Holden