VE Wagon.

[shane W Z]

How did the American car site 'Autoblog' beat the Australia sites to post the unveil of the Holden Sportswagon?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/10/sydney-2007-holden-debuts-ve-commodore-sportwagon/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/ve_comm_wagon_concept-008.jpg

Still looks good@ :thumbsup Holden


DAMN YANKS!!!!!:rofl: getting our unveil before us!!

[GETUTED]

somebody hurry up and copy those wheels, they'd look great on a black ute :bow:

[Holden Man]

somebody hurry up and copy those wheels, they'd look great on a black ute :bow:

Didn't the VX or VY clubby's have a similar design ?

[teamkiwi]

Didn't the VX or VY clubby's have a similar design ?
Wasnt it the VZ R8 range???

[lowriding]

The wagon looks superb , has a real solid class to it that i have always liked in the audi/bmw/M-B wagons .The locals have never really cut it before,despite reasonable efforts from Holden in the past .Bring it on 2008 !

[Holden Man]

I wonder if the HSV wagon will have those Maloo rear lights ?

[Canters]

2nd quarter of 2008 - bugger, I thought it was going to be the 1st quarter of 2008.....can't wait that long as the lease on my current car expires in Feb/March 2008....

[shane W Z]

Am i assuming correctly that second qtr next year is april-june? if so it should be out in time for my distant relatives visit from the uk!.

[XLR8 V8]

Holden Media Release .... cylinder deactivation gets ever closer


11 October, 2007
HOLDEN’S NEW SPORTWAGON PUTS EXCITEMENT BACK INTO PRACTICALITY
Sleek new sporty look for popular wagon
GM Holden’s sleek new VE Commodore Sportwagon made its world debut today at the Australian International Motor Show in Sydney.
The new family vehicle takes VE Commodore’s award-winning sporty design and engineering advances and integrates them into a stylish and practical wagon.
The result is a desirable and functional addition to the VE range, offering a new level of comfort, safety and styling in a Holden wagon.
GM Holden Chairman and Managing Director Chris Gubbey said, “The new VE Commodore Sportwagon puts the excitement back into practicality. This is a car for families with a ‘get-up-and-go’ attitude.
“The generous interior space, combined with sleeker, sportier styling, makes this a wagon that people will want to own as a year-round family car, or for family and business use.
“Holden’s new VE Sportwagon turns practi-‘cal’ into practi-‘cool’,” said Gubbey.
The VE Commodore Sportwagon unveiled in Sydney today is a production-based concept vehicle. It is the first glimpse of the planned production model scheduled to hit Holden showrooms in the first half of 2008.
The vehicle draws on VE sedan at the front with a sleek and sporty silhouette at the back and is built on the same VE wheelbase. It is the third VE derivative after sedan and the newly released ute range.
Features
At the rear, Holden’s designers have cleverly created a wider opening by positioning the tailgate hinge well forward into the roof line. This has created a more vertical opening movement for the tailgate and reduces opening space required around the car.
The higher cargo floor makes loading easier and a flexible cargo cover provides extra security for items stored in the back.
VE Sportwagon seats five adults in comfort and a 60:40 split in the rear seating row can be folded flat for storing larger items.
The motor show display model includes a roof mounted DVD player, Bluetooth capability, multi-function driver information display system and zone-based front and rear park assist systems - all currently standard on the VE Calais V-Series sedan. Features on the vehicle unique to the motor show include 20-inch alloy wheels, chrome window trim and unique interior colour combination.
VE Commodore Sportwagon’s pricing, model line-up and powertrain combinations will be confirmed closer to the on-sale date, but expect to see a similar type of strategy to VE sedan, with entry level cars, sports models and luxury models ranging up to the luxurious VE Calais V-Series.
Leading safety technology features such as ESP® will be standard across the range.
Holden’s Executive Director Sales, Marketing and Aftersales, Alan Batey, said, “Sportwagon breaks the mould for Holden wagons. It’s got great style, performance and practicality for families, businesses or both.
“Customers will get a car that’s equally at home as a working tool or a desirable family car - with all the storage advantages that come with a wagon.
“We’ve added important safety features such as ESP® as standard, and more luxury versions will be incorporated into the range to further increase its appeal to families.
“This is a vehicle that people will desire for its looks as well as its convenience over a sedan or an SUV,” he said.
Technology
The concept model on display at the Australian International Motor Show also incorporates a V8 engine featuring Active Fuel Management (AFM) and E85 flex fuel capability. Active Fuel Management allows cylinders to turn off under light load conditions to improve fuel economy.
The engine on show runs the same spark ignition, with fuelling matched to the same equivalence ratio as Holden’s current production V8 engine. It is designed to match the power and torque outputs of its petrol equivalent. The use of AFM and E85 technologies in this motor show vehicle aims to highlight General Motors’ capabilities in new propulsion advances.
Chris Gubbey explains, “Showcasing an E85 fuel system in this vehicle makes a powerful statement about Holden and GM’s commitment to developing alternative energy sources that reduce our dependence on petroleum-based products.
“It also demonstrates that drivers of alternative fuel vehicles don’t have to sacrifice performance.
“Our sister brand Saab has led the way in promoting bio fuel technology to advance the public, political and commercial debate in this area. We want to add our voice to that debate whilst simultaneously looking at ways to further reduce fuel consumption in our existing engines.”
The current VE sedan range of vehicles on sale in Australia are all E10 compatible with Holden’s V6 engine built in Melbourne also converted to E24 in Commodores exported to Brazil.
In 2007 Holden added two new diesel engines to its product line up with the new 3.0 litre VCDi common rail turbo diesel for the Rodeo and Captiva’s 2.0 litre common rail turbo diesel. This adds to the diesel options already offered in the Astra range.

[Middlez]

Awwwweeeesome... If holden are smart... the brakes will be that size through the range, as brakes was always something lacking in the ve (and every commodore so far) But it looks very smart - i cant wait till april. Anyone wanna buy a vy wagon? there'll be one up for grabs!!

[HSVMAN]

Awwwweeeesome... If holden are smart... the brakes will be that size through the range, as brakes was always something lacking in the ve (and every commodore so far) But it looks very smart - i cant wait till april. Anyone wanna buy a vy wagon? there'll be one up for grabs!!

Brakes on VE are a big improvement over VT-VZ

[korrupt]

Awwwweeeesome... If holden are smart... the brakes will be that size through the range, as brakes was always something lacking in the ve (and every commodore so far) But it looks very smart - i cant wait till april. Anyone wanna buy a vy wagon? there'll be one up for grabs!!
Don't forget this is only a 'concept' at the Motor Show. The real thing probably won't have the same brakes, engine or 20" wheels.

[Brass Munky]

A shot of the Wagon at the Motor show, photo courtesy of Zacz the Adelaide member there

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i174/Doctor_Sodways/Photo-0096.jpg

[mac06]

Holden Media Release .... cylinder deactivation gets ever closer

It gets closer, but will NOT be available on the VE Sports Wagon at time of sale. Remember that this is still only a pre-production car, with Holden exploring all the possibilites available. Just when it actually become available is still a mystery.

[Middlez]

Don't forget this is only a 'concept' at the Motor Show. The real thing probably won't have the same brakes, engine or 20" wheels.

I know its a concept, i dont care about the 20's.. but still.. it'll be heavier, so hopefully they keep the concept of bigger bakes! And while the VE does have a better setup than previous models, its still underbraked - compared to many other performance vehicles - and its not a hard problem to fix.

At the end of the day the whole idea of conceptualisation is to evolve and improve - and the VE could do with bigger brakes - esspecially in the V8s

:)

[NRD80Y]

At the end of the day the whole idea of conceptualisation is to evolve and improve - and the VE could do with bigger brakes - esspecially in the V8s

:)
I agree. A Holden option of a brake upgrade would have been nice. I'll just wait for Sonny's package that fits under the SS-V wheels :thumbsup:

[Holden Man]

I stuck the Maloo treatment on the back (I don't mind it) >

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/32116/2001318902950008439_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001318902950008439)

[EfiJy]

I stuck the Maloo treatment on the back (I don't mind it) >

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/32116/2001318902950008439_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001318902950008439)

batmobile lol

[kayman]

looks audiish!

[Brad308]

I think they have done a great job and think its great they will be offering it in a Calais V. I will be definately having a look at these when they are released.

[monaroCountry1]

Holden debuts active fuel management

Holden revealed a lightly disguised concept version of the forthcoming Commodore Sportwagon with an advanced version of the Gen IV V8 engine under the bonnet. The engine is capable of running on an E85 blend of ethanol - currently not available at a retail level in Australia.

The engine also has active cylinder deactivation (ACD), which could be introduced on Commodore with the series II facelift possibly in 2008.


Holden boss Chris Gubbey says ACD is particularly relevant to Holden's larger capacity V8 engine, rather than its 3.6-litre V6.

"When you apply it to smaller engines it can start to become counter productive. When you drop from eight cylinders to four cylinders you can still achieve a normal driving experience."

Nice!

source : drive.com.au

Now all these new technologies makes me :) ethanol and ACD are the way of the future.......Holden/HSV better bring these out next year.

[old holden V8]

The new wagon looks great! :drool::drool:

I wonder, is Holden hinting at exporting the new sportwagon - given it's showcased with E85 & ACD technology?

Is this the next VE the world will get?

My 2c


Laurie

:)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

http://www.clearyourcalendar.com.au/?e_campaign=ENEWS&e_year=20071011&e_link_id=CALENDARHOME3


HAVE you seen the wagon

[SUPERH2377]

The concept runs on biofuel.

and cylinder deactivation are the tali lights led


The new wagon looks great! :drool::drool:

I wonder, is Holden hinting at exporting the new sportwagon - given it's showcased with E85 & ACD technology?

Is this the next VE the world will get?

My 2c


Laurie

:)
the yanks want it big time it would also kick ass in europe does anybody know thats seen the car at the show if you could put 2 rotty sized dogs in the back given that the height of the floor has been raised

[Donny05]

This wagon looks awesome! I can't wait for it's release, it's just what I am after :woohoo:

[Swordie]

The people who created computer generated pictures many weeks ago were on the ball on how the wagon looks.

[hatzi]

More pics here vecommodoresportwagon (http://www.vecommodoresportwagon.com.au/)

[johno067]

Nice work Hatzi, it is a nice looking bit of gear.

[Vulture]

Hope there'll be an SS or Manual V8 version :bow:

[banarcus]

I've got to say that Holden has hit the mark when it comes to Aussie built wagons that are finally designed for the private buyer. I love my wagons and prefer Ford but seeing they abandoned this market years ago, I've got my eyes on this baby, perhaps a SS 6M wagon. Good stuff Holden!!

[wanaVE]

I've got to say that Holden has hit the mark when it comes to Aussie built wagons that are finally designed for the private buyer. I love my wagons and prefer Ford but seeing they abandoned this market years ago, I've got my eyes on this baby, perhaps a SS 6M wagon. Good stuff Holden!!

LOVE a convert.


Hope there'll be an SS or Manual V8 version :bow:

Clubby .......:)

love a manual V8 --no money just dreamen.

Here is the WEELS revue. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/wanaVE/scan0010.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/wanaVE/scan0011.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/wanaVE/scan0012.jpg http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/wanaVE/scan0013.jpg.

[old holden V8]

I love the look of this thing...BUT...has anyone that has been to the motor show able to give some insight into rear cargo area?

Calais V Sportwagon 6.0/A6 :drool:

Laurie

:)

[BadMac]

Any reaction in the press? SMH, Age? etc?

[Stevotski]

looks great, but one thing it could have done with is a centre rear head rest - adjustable and removable like a liberty or outback has - it doesnt appear to have any mounting holes for it in the calais wagon

[KeenGolfer]

I love the look, but I'm betting the wheels make the car in this case. Bet it won't look as good with the wheels it will really come with. They are very similar to my wheels and they made a huge difference to the look of my wagon.

I'm also concerned how small the rear and rear side windows are in regards to visibility.

It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

[Donny05]

It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

Without Kids and carefree! :banana:

I would definetely love a VE SS-V wagon M6 or maybe just the SS version depending on pricing.

I currently have a V6 VY Berlina International which is a great car also, but I really miss having a manual daily driver.

[Vulture]

I love the look, but I'm betting the wheels make the car in this case. Bet it won't look as good with the wheels it will really come with. They are very similar to my wheels and they made a huge difference to the look of my wagon.

I'm also concerned how small the rear and rear side windows are in regards to visibility.

It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

You might be right about the wheels, they are very nice indeed. Certainly hope they are an option. The windows are a concern for kids in the back - probably look forward to more car sickness with those.

I think the wagon is different to the old one in the sense that it is based on the sedan wheelbase and not the Statesman wheelbase. I think the market is probably ready for something like this to sell better than the wagon did last time to private buyers.

[old holden V8]

I love the look, but I'm betting the wheels make the car in this case. Bet it won't look as good with the wheels it will really come with. They are very similar to my wheels and they made a huge difference to the look of my wagon.

I'm also concerned how small the rear and rear side windows are in regards to visibility.

It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

I think you are right with the wheels, too. Same with visibility comments.

Where was I when the VY SS wagon's were released, good question! :)

I think the VE has ignited renewed interest in the wagon - there really is nothing out there comparable to the 'sportswagon' - particularly at the money they'll go for. I have read a few posts from this thread from punters who really like the wagon, would consider purchasing one, and are sedan people.

These things are aiming for a totally different market. Holden have been very clever with the marketing - sure the launch had a couple of kids & a mum/dad - but these are squarely aimed at DINK's (dual income no kids) - with a dog, etc. The Omega is just a piecemeal attempt at (some) fleet/sales rep sales.

Who knows - these might end up like the Monaro. Popular, but always destined to be culled off at some stage.

My 2c

Laurie
:)

[CeeVee8]

I love the look of this thing...BUT...has anyone that has been to the motor show able to give some insight into rear cargo area?

Calais V Sportwagon 6.0/A6 :drool:

Laurie

:)

I had a look at it yesterday and it looks to have a fair bit smaller area than a VT to VZ

[HSVREDSLED]

It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

Good point Drew, but I also agree with Donny.

Salary sacrifice and such over the last 7 years or so has enabled a lot of lads who previously only dreamed of owning late model V8's to get their ass into one.

Lots of those lads (myself included) got swept up in the sedan SS or Clubbies or whatever and there is no way I would have bought a SS wagon 5 years ago, even though, I did look at the crewy.

5 years later, family getting older, all my mates getting into SUVs etc, now I have the chance to get a SUV type set up still with a grunting V8.

What I cant believe...is that I am struggling to convince the family that the VE truckster is the way to go??? They want a SSv or R8???

What do the tuners on here think about the engine dropping 4 cylinders etc and all the other business..can these things still be tuned to run better???

[SecretSquirrel]

I went and checked out the sport wagon today at the motor show and was REALLY impressed, they've really hit the nail on the head I reckon and I think they have a winner on their hands.

When I asked other manufacturers about it (Mitsubishi, Toyota etc) they all discounted it and said "Everyone is going to SUV's we're surprised Holden bought that thing out".

Good for Holden I say, not everyone wants a goddamned SUV.

In other news, the HSV stuff was underwhelming, the 20th anniversary car and the Maloo didn't do too much for me, but good to see them there nonetheless.

Si

[Danv8]

I went and checked out the sport wagon today at the motor show and was REALLY impressed, they've really hit the nail on the head I reckon and I think they have a winner on their hands.

When I asked other manufacturers about it (Mitsubishi, Toyota etc) they all discounted it and said "Everyone is going to SUV's we're surprised Holden bought that thing out".

Good for Holden I say, not everyone wants a goddamned SUV.

In other news, the HSV stuff was underwhelming, the 20th anniversary car and the Maloo didn't do too much for me, but good to see them there nonetheless.

Si

I haven't seen the VE wagon in the flesh but in the pics I really like what I see and its def on the to get list. Also I am avoiding getting a SUV at all costs really. I always have had soft spots for wagons and the new VE wagon has won me over.

[Fnomna]

Just got back from Sydney and had a squiz at the show on Thursday. Thought I'd post a few pics.
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/30797/2005518036325063512_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005518036325063512)http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/27631/2004137145079632576_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004137145079632576)http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/30037/2005080425048551056_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005080425048551056)http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/30012/2000881530046031109_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000881530046031109)http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/29928/2004091299692221729_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004091299692221729)http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/31547/2004052860173627763_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004052860173627763)

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/28584/2004333088063697681_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004333088063697681)http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/31216/2004352025030790593_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004352025030790593)http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/28446/2004322190711785871_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004322190711785871)

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/32239/2001611195689135871_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001611195689135871)http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/31849/2001677628064349930_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001677628064349930)http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/30394/2001606771894121776_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001606771894121776)

http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/29425/2005081063182113069_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005081063182113069)http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/31652/2005035324472048373_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005035324472048373)http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/31652/2005027827417102777_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005027827417102777)

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/28907/2005249695418872405_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005249695418872405)http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/29421/2005214740990018618_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005214740990018618)http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/28507/2005283920737780127_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005283920737780127)http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/31131/2005242819983553333_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005242819983553333)

(Click thumbnail, then 'View Original Size' for full size)

[Cobalt]

I love the look, but I'm betting the wheels make the car in this case. Bet it won't look as good with the wheels it will really come with. They are very similar to my wheels and they made a huge difference to the look of my wagon.

Who is gonna leave the standard wheels on neway. No me... 22 inch Billets...mmmmmmmmmmmmm




I'm also concerned how small the rear and rear side windows are in regards to visibility.

It is very high hipped and i rekon a booster seat for smaller children will be the go. My 7 years old struggles in a VE Sedan to see out.


It's interesting that they're going to do a full line up of wagons when the SS wagon sold so slowly even though they are a great thing. Lots of people in this thread saying how they love it and would buy one, but where were all these people when the SS wagons were released?

This is a very different market to then. There is just more money around ATM. Plus VY SS was a limited option item. I think the Luxary unit will sell better. Audi and BMW sell reasonably well. I believe we are benefiting from the export aspirations of a vehicle sch as this.

Holden has it down pat to cheaply develop cars quickly and the world is observing this. Wolrd class product quickly and cheaply. I just hate that the yank's will only pay $1.50 when it is released over there and we will get screwed. Damn charge what they will pay pricing.

Bring on the HSV's........ If there is even a hint of one being avail I'm waiting. Then just add a blower and a 22" billets losts easier than building one yourself.

Cheers

Chad

[Donny05]

Thanks for the pics Fnomna :)

[HSVMAN]

....I just hate that the yank's will only pay $1.50 when it is released over there and we will get screwed. Damn charge what they will pay pricing..

One good thing about American cars is you can buy one for their price, convert it over there for aprox USD$6k and bring it back :)

[HRTSV8]

I think the v8 sportswagons are going to be very popular. Can't wait

[A.C.Cadillac]

Very Nice, i love this design

much better than the Saab 9³ SportCombi Fake ;)

in my opinion the VE Serries iss the best ever, perfect design, outside & inside, much better than all BMW, Audi, Mercedes which i can buy here
i'm commiserate about i cant buy this car in germany

maybe its possible to get it as Ponitiac like the Pontiac GTO (Monaro) or G8 (Commodore) anytime
but today i even not buy it as a model car :(


sorry 4 my rusty english but i try learning

[HSVREDSLED]

Very Nice, i love this design

much better than the Saab 9³ SportCombi Fake ;)

in my opinion the VE Serries iss the best ever, perfect design, outside & inside, much better than all BMW, Audi, Mercedes which i can buy here
i'm commiserate about i cant buy this car in germany

maybe its possible to get it as Ponitiac like the Pontiac GTO (Monaro) or G8 (Commodore) anytime
but today i even not buy it as a model car :(


sorry 4 my rusty english but i try learning

Hey...your english is fine AC.

It was easier to understand than some of the dribble typed here on Saturday nights after a session on the cans and the burbs...

[MonoJoker]

More pics here:

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/*query?@&images=60&source=holden

Cheers
LT.

[Holden Man]

Black on Black >

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/31221/2002176510830738573_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002176510830738573)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

MATE
stick them rims a a lowered green maloo would you please ,
looks great
and what size are they

[Holden Man]

I also put the pic in the ute thread >

Looks tough
(sorry don't know what rims they are! - They were off a 350Z at a car show)

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/32516/2001792378279674648_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001792378279674648)

[SSV366]

Thats awesome can you please stick them on a morpheous SSV ute?

[Holden Man]

Thats awesome can you please stick them on a morpheous SSV ute?

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/29450/2004597629187557614_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004597629187557614)

Now back to the topic of the wagon >.....

[Wezza]

That Calais wagon looks hot!! Gone are the days of the unfashoinable station wagon. :)

[F6Mauz]

VE GTS Wagon.


http://users.tpg.com.au/rustica//VE%20HSV%20Wagon%20Small.jpg

[Danv8]

Looks great!
:)

[Wezza]

Does look nice indeed. I think it needs a little lip above the rear glass to finish it off.

[F6Mauz]

Does look nice indeed. I think it needs a little lip above the rear glass to finish it off.



http://users.tpg.com.au/rustica//VEHSVWagonSmall2.jpg

[Vulture]

Looks great. I wonder if they have plans to do it - it would seem likely.

[Canters]

VE Wagon - "release 2nd quarter of 2008"

What does this mean - 1 April or 30 June???

Are there any manufacturer events that are likely to give a clue to the timing of the release.......or is the timing geared to be a party spolier for the Ford Orion??

[mook05]

VE Wagon - "release 2nd quarter of 2008"

What does this mean - 1 April or 30 June???

Are there any manufacturer events that are likely to give a clue to the timing of the release.......or is the timing geared to be a party spolier for the Ford Orion??

Pretty much means any time between those two dates.

This wagon looks so sweet it might be enough to sway me away from my Ford...can't wait to see it in the flesh.

Cheers

Michael.

[2_V_OR_NOT_2_V]

i wonder if a VE SS-V Wagon will be made. and i wonder how much?

[SUPERH2377]

i wonder if a VE SS-V Wagon will be made. and i wonder how much?

THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT 2K ABOVE THE SEDAN PRICE AND YES THEY SAID AN SS-V WILL BE OK TO BUY ALSO DID ANYBODY GET THE EMAIL ABOUT FREE DOUBLE PASSES TO THE SHOW IN SYDNEY

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT 2K ABOVE THE SEDAN PRICE AND YES THEY SAID AN SS-V WILL BE OK TO BUY ALSO DID ANYBODY GET THE EMAIL ABOUT FREE DOUBLE PASSES TO THE SHOW IN SYDNEY

you don't have to shout MATE we can hear you :)
yes i got 2 free passes last night :)

[VE SSV XCLER8]

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/29450/2004597629187557614_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004597629187557614)

Now back to the topic of the wagon >.....

Holden Man,
You always create images that are awesome!!! Good enough for framing on the wall at home.
Just wanted to say thanks for the images..... now about the wagon "I just want one" :)
Cheers,
:beer:

[Holden Man]

Holden Man,
You always create images that are awesome!!! Good enough for framing on the wall at home.
Just wanted to say thanks for the images..... now about the wagon "I just want one" :)
Cheers,
:beer:

Thanks for the kind comments :)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

VALADATE the lad

[VE SSV XCLER8]

VALADATE the lad
I wish I could Red....
I am not validated myself:bawl:
Hopefully soon :eyes:

[BadMac]

Want to know what your peers on a really good Ford based Forum think of the Wagon?

Ford Australia Forums (http://www.fordaustraliaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26742)

Oh and any Mods reading, can you sticky this thread and drop one of the others, like the old VE Summary thread, nobody has posted in them for months and anything good in them is available via search now.

[david777]

I saw the VE wagon at the Sydney motorshow today.
It looks great.
I have just a few concerns...

It definitely has less room in the back that my VT wagon has. That is a pity.

The designers who picked the light interior seat colours obviously do not have children. It would be filthy within a week with my kids! Euro wagons often come out in these light interior colours. Hopefully darker colours will be available on production models.

You could not touch the car at the motorshow so I was not able to see if a full size spare wheel fitted under the rear floor. I definitely want a full size spare.

I looked for but could not see anchor points for a cargo barrier. It is a simple safety device that helps a great deal when packing to take the family on holidays. I hope they have something planned.

Finally. Stop stuffing around Holden and tell us when they will be available.

[KeenGolfer]

I looked for but could not see anchor points for a cargo barrier. It is a simple safety device that helps a great deal when packing to take the family on holidays. I hope they have something planned.

I can see in the released pics what I believe are cargo barrier mounting points. They're sort of hidden behind a small cover and they're not in the roof but near the top of the pillar.

[Dickie Knee]

Scoop.... New holden Wagan spoted at dealership in Brisbane.

Spy photos ...

http://members.optusnet.com.au/rm02/WM/Newwm.jpg

:rofl: got ya :)

[Vulture]

I can see in the released pics what I believe are cargo barrier mounting points. They're sort of hidden behind a small cover and they're not in the roof but near the top of the pillar.

Saw it today and it totally stole the thunder from the HSV stand. The Holden guy that was near it new less than me about it but reckons that it is almost certain that HSV will do a version. The concept had HSV calipers and rotors to my eye - just without any emblems on them. Also looked a little lowered. Production versions won't be that low stock. Available second quarter 2008. That's as near to an exact date as i think it is possible to give.

[iloveholden]

yer HSV will deffinitley get their hands on the calais model and tune it up a little. Everybody is saying maybe a senator wagon although im hoping their do a GTS wagon like seen in those chops :bow:

[CraigH]

Does anyone know what the wheel design was that was used on the Wagon on display at the Syney Motor Show.

A future Holden or HSV design - Very nice

[KeenGolfer]

Went to the show today so I could see it in the flesh. Spent 30 mins just standing there soaking it in. For my mind, the best car at the show (but I'm biased). It was interesting to hear the comments of people around saying it looked "european", "heaps better than any ford wagon", "classy" etc etc. It looks very classy in the flesh. I love it. My boy (god bless him) still thinks dad's wagon is better but geez I'd be tempted if they come out looking like that.

[caz375]

My brother just got back from the show and said exactly the same thing, "Euro inspired". He was chatting with a few people who were all of the opinion that it was much more representative of a family wagon as against being a Telstra work vehicle.

[Goggles]

Went to the show today so I could see it in the flesh. Spent 30 mins just standing there soaking it in. For my mind, the best car at the show (but I'm biased). It was interesting to hear the comments of people around saying it looked "european", "heaps better than any ford wagon", "classy" etc etc. It looks very classy in the flesh. I love it. My boy (god bless him) still thinks dad's wagon is better but geez I'd be tempted if they come out looking like that.


My brother just got back from the show and said exactly the same thing, "Euro inspired". He was chatting with a few people who were all of the opinion that it was much more representative of a family wagon as against being a Telstra work vehicle.

went last Wed night - good time to take pics without anyone being in the way.

thought the wagon looked so much better in the flesh than in pics.....tempting as a future purchase.

[Vulture]

Does anyone know what the wheel design was that was used on the Wagon on display at the Syney Motor Show.

A future Holden or HSV design - Very nice

The wheels are great. Can only hope they are a production item. Look like an updated Z HSV R8 design.

[KeenGolfer]

The wheels are great. Can only hope they are a production item. Look like an updated Z HSV R8 design.

Yep, and those are the wheels I have. The VE are just in 20" and seem a bit more dished.

Did anyone else notice the rear tyres are 275's with the front 245. Nice!

[VESS06]

Will look interesting in Police livery.

[randomcomments]

Went to the show today so I could see it in the flesh. Spent 30 mins just standing there soaking it in. For my mind, the best car at the show (but I'm biased). It was interesting to hear the comments of people around saying it looked "european", "heaps better than any ford wagon", "classy" etc etc. It looks very classy in the flesh. I love it. My boy (god bless him) still thinks dad's wagon is better but geez I'd be tempted if they come out looking like that.


Heaps better than a Falcon wagon maybe........but a toss-up with the Mondeo XR5.

I thought the Commodore wagon looked great - it makes sense that if you are going to make something that big you might as well give it a big easy boot to load. Nice

[Fnomna]

I just wanna see one of these on the roads already
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/8749/1455/683824.jpg
by Aych Es Vee at Performance HSV Captiva On The Cards, Plus Magnetic Ride Control Has Its Attractions - GM Inside News Forum (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1221794#post1221794)

[theVman]

Now the maloo treatment on the wagon doesnt look too bad - I like it!! :bow:

[RYTONQ]

looks nice as

[Holden Man]

Yeah I don't mind it - looks good.

[iloveholden]

The maloo rear on the wagon looks the goods and you would assume that HSV would go for that type of rear.

[SS_Fury]

Holden Man, black on black made me have a moment in my pants.
Any news on prices?

[mac06]

Holden Man, black on black made me have a moment in my pants.
Any news on prices?

Prices won't be out for some time, but are expected to be about $2,000 over the Sedan equivalent.

[SS_Fury]

I can deal with that!
Dump it on 20's, brake upgrade if need be, a few extra ponies under the hood from the 6l

[JBVESS]

Holden Man,
You always create images that are awesome!!! Good enough for framing on the wall at home.
Just wanted to say thanks for the images..... now about the wagon "I just want one" :)
Cheers,
:beer:

Yeehar. what are those rims called and what size are they? :bow:
I love the deep rim

JB

[Canters]

I understand that Holden has already started production of the VE Wagon, so why the announcement of a 2nd quarter 2008 release date?

Or is it a case of Holden trying to maintian maximum flexibility ........but potentially being able to bring forward the release date of the wagon to try and spoil the party for Ford and its Ford Orion release.

[Dickie Knee]

I understand that Holden has already started production of the VE Wagon, so why the announcement of a 2nd quarter 2008 release date?

Or is it a case of Holden trying to maintian maximum flexibility ........but potentially being able to bring forward the release date of the wagon to try and spoil the party for Ford and its Ford Orion release.

I think they have their hands full with Ute and G8, So I can't see how they can be building wagons currently.

[old holden V8]

G'day.

Just got my email from Holden to view an interactive 360 degree view of the new VE Sportwagon.

It has some great new features, and has "nearly 2 meters" of cargo space when the rear seats are folded back.

Enjoy!

http://www.vecommodoresportwagon.com.au/

PS. On sale March 2008 - or so I was told by my local dealer.

:)

Laurie

[Holden Man]

Nice find.

That is one sweet looking wagon. :bow:

That is by far the best design in the VE family.

[blackbettyhsv]

[QUOTE=old holden V8;1071439]G'day.

Just got my email from Holden to view an interactive 360 degree view of the new VE Sportwago


laurie I just got that email too, personally I reckon they look better than the utes. actually just got a nice present in the mail, I ordered a set of plates VEWAGN. I was surprised they were still avaliable. but that black wagon how good does it look

[old holden V8]

[quote=old holden V8;1071439]G'day.

Just got my email from Holden to view an interactive 360 degree view of the new VE Sportwago


laurie I just got that email too, personally I reckon they look better than the utes. actually just got a nice present in the mail, I ordered a set of plates VEWAGN. I was surprised they were still avaliable. but that black wagon how good does it look

You can say that again! I really like that black - but a real pain to keep clean..

I would love to see a white - yes white - with some after market wheels with sliver and black highlights.

Laurie :)

[v8mumbo]

I received my letter too.

I wish I could order and register a VE V8 wagon before 31 Dec 07.
On 1 Jan 08, the Qld Govt increases stamp duty on new 6 and 8 cylinder cars using the greenie excuse (like governments did on the late 70's).

It will add a whopping $2500 to the cost of a V8 VE wagon.

Obviously the Qld Govt doesn't care about Australian car industry jobs.


Cheers

[Fnomna]

On 1 Jan 08, the Qld Govt increases stamp duty on new 6 and 8 cylinder cars using the greenie excuse (like governments did on the late 70's).

So a 2.0L 6cyl Epica will cost more in stamp duty than a 2.4L 4cyl Camry?
You'd think these days they'd be smart enough to be able to do it by CO2 or fuel consumption figures instead of this.:vpo:

[VH-COM]

So a 2.0L 6cyl Epica will cost more in stamp duty than a 2.4L 4cyl Camry?
You'd think these days they'd be smart enough to be able to do it by CO2 or fuel consumption figures instead of this.:vpo:



You know the slogan ...... Smart State - dumb govt. (Qld)

[CSP]

You know the slogan ...... Smart State - dumb govt. (Qld)

Goes for every state/territory government at the moment. They're all friggin labor idiots! God help us if the trend continues this Saturday!

Australians as a whole are so dumb. The proof is in the NSW election when the labor govt. can get in even when everyone hates what they've done, are doing and are less popular than their opposition.

[Black_Utester]

From the CarPoint. Pre-production wagon spotted!

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2859031.aspx

[korrupt]

From the CarPoint. Pre-production wagon spotted!

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2859031.aspx
No covers on it. I guess because they have already shown it off?

[mac06]

From the CarPoint. Pre-production wagon spotted!

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2859031.aspx

Hahaha that article is funny. The wagon was released at the Sydney Motor Show and pictures are on Holden's web site. You'd think CarPoint felt they had a scoop or something.:rofl:

[shane W Z]

Hahaha that article is funny. The wagon was released at the Sydney Motor Show and pictures are on Holden's web site. You'd think CarPoint felt they had a scoop or something.:rofl:

well a guy on another forum i'm on was going barmy as he saw it on the road somewhere the other day.He was convinced it should be covered and that the driver would be sacked for driving it on the road coverless!!

[v8mumbo]

Hahaha that article is funny. The wagon was released at the Sydney Motor Show and pictures are on Holden's web site. You'd think CarPoint felt they had a scoop or something.:rofl:

You are missing the point Mac06.

The fact that one is out there being driven means those of us who need a new wagon might actually be able to buy a VE sooner than we thought, and that would be very good news IMO.


Cheers :xmas:

[mac06]

You are missing the point Mac06.

The fact that one is out there being driven means those of us who need a new wagon might actually be able to buy a VE sooner than we thought, and that would be very good news IMO.


Cheers :xmas:

That would be nice:) Trouble is it won't happen as soon as we might like. The factory is gearing up for US export and won't have time to get the VE Wagon up and running at the same time. No doubt they are just doing the fine tuning and testing. As mentioned before, the VE Wagon is a second quarter 2008 release. A longer wait than we'd like, but them's the breaks.

My point was that CarPoint wrote the article as if it was a scoop. That's funny.

[TigerVXSS]

Or there's this:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/8274/holden-ve-wagon-spy-photos/

[Fnomna]

There's already a fuel consumption sticker on that wagon. Heading to a showroom shortly?

[BadMac]

Heres a comparo. Gosh the new one makes the others look :spew:


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/GMC2007101063397_PV.jpg

[streaty]

yeah i have to say this is one of the nicest wagons ever and does anyone know if the HSV version was a photoshop or weather HSV are avtually putting these into production

[v8mumbo]

There's already a fuel consumption sticker on that wagon. Heading to a showroom shortly?

I hope so.
Just parked there it looks even better than I expected.

[O5BRKY]

Certainly driving around without covers, saw one at the traffic lights Belgrave-Hallam Rd, Hallam Saturday evening, white one,look OK. As the other half said,"That's nice but not in white"

[Holden Man]

There is a white SS here to look at >

http://www.caradvice.com.au/8274/holden-ve-wagon-spy-photos/

White (the new black!) with black wheels >

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/35572/2004674535784210336_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004674535784210336)

[tim_k]

Now that looks nice. Might have to scratch the ute and get one of these

[SSV366]

Mmm that looks shit hot!!!

[nudenut]

There is a white SS here to look at >

http://www.caradvice.com.au/8274/holden-ve-wagon-spy-photos/


That looks great - very understated. Quite the Q-car.

I initially thought that it must be a 6 since there is no 6L badge behind the front wheels, but it definitely has quad exhausts - I guess it's a pre-production job without full badging?

[csv rulz]

i had two VE SS wagons follow me all the way from Lakes Entrance to Bairnsdale this morning, they look unreal, they will need to be lowered but apart from that they look sensational. I turned off to go to work and tried to get photos but i wasnt quick enough, anyone in the latrobe valley look out coz there coming your way.

[jaykay]

Holden website is up and running...

Click on Commodore Sportswagon...:bow:

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/jsp/homepage/homepage.jsp

[OUTAtheBloo]

How mint does that wagon look !!!

:bow:

Very nice.

Dan

[hatzi]

Found some mules

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4654.JPG
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4655.JPG
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4658.JPG
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4660.JPG
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4662.JPG
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF4665.JPG

[SCiFiRE]

isnt that the fishermens bend plant? dunno if those pics will be able to stay up for long

[CharlieDontSurf]

We would all be creaming ourselves over those had the sportswagon concept not been released(and the leaked phone shots). No need to camo them anymore. Good shots anyway

[calaisrat]

Thats weird that they would cover them especially the ute, its already been released !!!
Unless its a new paint pattern there trying out haha

[SCiFiRE]

Might be still camo'd from before the release

[SUPERH2377]

Might be still camo'd from before the release

NEED TO GET SHOTS OF THE HSV WAGON TO FIND OUT MORE AND 100 % DOING ONE

[Big_Valven]

The tail lights look identical to ute. Hopefully HSV don't screw up the rear end as badly as they did with the ute.

[BadMac]

The tail lights look identical to ute. Hopefully HSV don't screw up the rear end as badly as they did with the ute.

Heres a post from earlier in the thread which has a chop of a potential HSV version. It makes the Maloo taillights look logical if your are trying to keep it as a family look.


I just wanna see one of these on the roads already
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/8749/1455/683824.jpg
by Aych Es Vee at http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1221794#post1221794

[Black AH CDX]

The tail lights look identical to ute. Hopefully HSV don't screw up the rear end as badly as they did with the ute.

They are the same shape and size, however, look closely and you will see that the details are different.
The wagon has the Reverse light/indicator sitting at the very bottom edge whilst the Ute has this raised up with a reflector running underneath. Very Subtle and very clever.

[Canters]

Got a promo email from Holden, with plenty of gloss etc, but doesn't give any clues to the release date.....bugger!!

Does promise more promo info b4 Christmas.

[HSVREDSLED]

There will be versions of the wagons in all guises...SS SS/V and even possibly a HSV version. (Clubby front end..few other mods)

Your gonna have to trust me on this,,,my mail is pretty good.:smilesandbanana:

[NewVLT]

There will be versions of the wagons in all guises...SS SS/V and even possibly a HSV version. (Clubby front end..few other mods) Your gonna have to trust me on this,,,my mail is pretty good.:smilesandbanana:

If they're going to put a Clubby front end on it they can keep it. It'll turn a lovely looking wagon into a tacky, bitty looking, riced-up POS.
Tell me they're doing a Senator otherwise I'm opting for the Calais.

Went to the local HSV dealer the other day (they're located rather centrally if they're watching) and being in jeans and t-shirt I got relegated to their Asian salesman who barely spoke English. With cheque book in hand, I enquired whether he had any firm details on a HSV wagon. I figured it can't hurt to get in early, especially having heard some of the lead times quoted on new cars recently. I got one sentence, repeated over and over again. "Only Sporwagon, no Hayshesswee wagon !" (Insert heavy Vietnamese accent).

If this is the HSV buying experience I'm over it already. If the damn Audi RS4 Avant wasn't twice the price I wouldn't have to bother.

[HSVREDSLED]

If they're going to put a Clubby front end on it they can keep it. It'll turn a lovely looking wagon into a tacky, bitty looking, riced-up POS.
Tell me they're doing a Senator otherwise I'm opting for the Calais.

Went to the local HSV dealer the other day (they're located rather centrally if they're watching) and being in jeans and t-shirt I got relegated to their Asian salesman who barely spoke English. With cheque book in hand, I enquired whether he had any firm details on a HSV wagon. I figured it can't hurt to get in early, especially having heard some of the lead times quoted on new cars recently. I got one sentence, repeated over and over again. "Only Sporwagon, no Hayshesswee wagon !" (Insert heavy Vietnamese accent).

If this is the HSV buying experience I'm over it already. If the damn Audi RS4 Avant wasn't twice the price I wouldn't have to bother.


Here is the exact words I got in answer to whether there will be a HSV version .

"...There probably will be a HSV version and it will have a HSV front like a Clubsport and other modifications..."

[CLUBRED]

Got a promo email from Holden, with plenty of gloss etc, but doesn't give any clues to the release date.....bugger!!

Does promise more promo info b4 Christmas.

My local dealer said they're taking orders in March :) , so that will probably coincide with the Brisbane Motor show.


There will be versions of the wagons in all guises...SS SS/V and even possibly a HSV version. (Clubby front end..few other mods)

Your gonna have to trust me on this,,,my mail is pretty good.:smilesandbanana:

He also agrees, there will be matching wagon for each sedan :D , didn't mention the HSV, but I doubt it will be released at the same time. I used to work at holden so should know more, but expect a few other tricks to combat the Orion and lame TRD Aurion.

[maloo_]

I seen a white VE wagon on the back of a truck friday had no front bar on it.

[NewVLT]

Latest Motor mag points to a Clubsport (nice photoshop job too) and possibly Senator wagon. Made my day. :)

[Canters]

[QUOTE=CLUBRED;1092655]My local dealer said they're taking orders in March :) , so that will probably coincide with the Brisbane Motor show.


Do you mean starting to taking order in March or taking orders now for delivery in March?

Also Brisbane Motor Show is 1-10 Feb 2008 - how does this fit with a possible release dates??

[Highway]

My local dealer rang the other day and is taking orders now for supposed release in March. Get your order in now and be one of the first to get a wagon.

Who knows ?

[old holden V8]

G'day.

Just got my email from Holden to view an interactive 360 degree view of the new VE Sportwagon.

It has some great new features, and has "nearly 2 meters" of cargo space when the rear seats are folded back.

Enjoy!

http://www.vecommodoresportwagon.com.au/

PS. On sale March 2008 - or so I was told by my local dealer.

:)

Laurie

That seems to correlate with what I was told in November....

:) :)

[CLUBRED]

[QUOTE=CLUBRED;1092655]My local dealer said they're taking orders in March :) , so that will probably coincide with the Brisbane Motor show.


Do you mean starting to taking order in March or taking orders now for delivery in March?

Also Brisbane Motor Show is 1-10 Feb 2008 - how does this fit with a possible release dates??

Haha, thats what he said, seems he's an idiot (me to for not checking). I'm pretty sure he meant take orders in March.

[VESportswagon20]

That seems to correlate with what I was told in November....

:) :)

It will be released during the fortnight of the Melbourne Motorshow which coincides with the Australian Grand Prix. In time for some American tourists and euro tourists to get a peek at it before they head home. Would be a good marketing tool with huge talk about exports over to Europe as well with the VE. Melbourne motorshow is normally 2nd week of March.

[NOYES]

hot looking car the new wagon, cant wait to see it in the flesh

[shane W Z]

I too will be interested to see it in the flesh as i am currently unsure what i think of it, I didn't really like the ute much when i saw the pics but now i have seen one on the road i don't mind it.I am hoping its the same with the wagon.

[Vulture]

Set your minds at rest as it looks sensational in the flesh. The show car was lowered a bit and had some nice wheels but it will still be stunning.

[Rombles]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but there has been a suggestion on another forum that Holden may enter one of these in the Bathurst 12Hr race as part of the BMF in February.... the timing would be about right, and it would be a great way to show off the car. For this years event they had two Astras, a pair of wagons next year would go down a treat!

[Canters]

Just read an article in today's Age (drive.com.au) re the differences between the concept wagon (Sydney Motor Show) and the production model:


Production model driving lights are not incorproated in the horizontal air dam.
Production model has a different grill and does not have the deep chrome strip running across the top of the lion badge.
Production model does not have the sporty diffuser in between the the exhaust pipes, but a plain design.
No 20" wheels (of coarse).

[Canters]

All I want for Christmas is a release date for the VE wagon........Come on Mr Holden ......tell me!!!!!

[CLUBRED]

Better be worth the wait, because I've just declined a great offer on a VE SS... :(

[SUPERH2377]

Just read an article in today's Age (drive.com.au) re the differences between the concept wagon (Sydney Motor Show) and the production model:


Production model driving lights are not incorproated in the horizontal air dam.
Production model has a different grill and does not have the deep chrome strip running across the top of the lion badge.
Production model does not have the sporty diffuser in between the the exhaust pipes, but a plain design.
No 20" wheels (of coarse).


the show car was a calais v the production car is a sv6 so the fronts and rear look different as the sedans i 2 seen the article

[Holden Man]

Good to see the DRIVE "motoring" (they can't be really...can they) journalists still have no idea when it comes to cars.

I didn't know that the Calais V wagon would look different to the SV6 version ! :doh:

[Canters]

Today's Herald Sun Carguide has a photo of the VE sportwagon on the cover. Very nice in bright green, but with the 20 inch Sydney motor show wheels.....which aren't going to be on the production model......

The article talks about a March 2008 release date!!!

[iloveholden]

Good to see the DRIVE "motoring" (they can't be really...can they) journalists still have no idea when it comes to cars.

I didn't know that the Calais V wagon would look different to the SV6 version ! :doh:

Totally agree Holden man, Drive have no idea :rofl:

[SUPERH2377]

Totally agree Holden man, Drive have no idea :rofl:

funny you should say that because drive believes yhat the wagon wont come out till may08 in sat age

[Canters]

funny you should say that because drive believes yhat the wagon wont come out till may08 in sat age

Yer - but I am still tipping a March/April release as Holden will do anything it can to gazzump the Ford Orion release....

[SUPERH2377]

Yer - but I am still tipping a March/April release as Holden will do anything it can to gazzump the Ford Orion release....

i'm betting your on the money i' gonna need a new wagon about then

[Dickie Knee]

May see some more info in time for the Melbourne Motor Show

Friday 29th February - Monday 10th March

[Danv8]

Yer - but I am still tipping a March/April release as Holden will do anything it can to gazzump the Ford Orion release....

If the new Falcon wagon in the orion range is as boring as the current falcon wagons now it won't interest me in the slightest.

[TYREFRIAR]

I am down past Geelong, on the Peninsula, and as I was coming back from the shops today in my red VE SSV ute, i had a blu ish color wagon go past me the other way, looked calais front with crome either side of holden badge, crome strip with the driving lights in the strip across the bottom of the front air dam opening which went full width across the front, roof bars, and didnt have the badges taped up or anything, for a pre release model, which i thought was interesting, Im sure a Holden person in product development lives here somewhere, as I have seen black chev badged statesmans around before VE came out as well previously, which were obviously for overseas market.

[msnealo]

More on Wagons caught onDrive (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=47162)

[JustCruising]

Black,lowslung,Sportswagon with modded V8 on 22's- what more could you want?
BEAUTIFUL!
CHEERS

[Da Burb]

Saw a black VE wagon driving through Laverton today. Didn't realize what I was looking at at first. Looked nice.

[BadMac]

No Sportswagon to the US.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/59DB1B5AFB7D4B1ACA2573D10014EB68

[Fnomna]

Can't say I'm surprised about the US. Not too sure the reason is not being 'fashionable' either.
When I was over there recently, I was amazed by the number of SUVs and 'trucks' everyone has. Parking spaces, roads and freeways are big too. And with petrol there still relitavely cheap, I don't think the wagon really fits into anyone's list.

Give me one though!!

[TYREFRIAR]

saw a white wagon, SS with the 18" SS wheels out the front of work in Geelong last night, couldnt tell properly, but while sitting at the lights couldnt detect a DOD, and in the dark was hard to tell, but it didnt seem to be badged a holden.

[The Brock]

Another update on the Holden VE wagon site; "Thursday" covers engeine and trans options and all new linear suspension.... will be 180kW V6, 190kw V6, and 270kw V8; with 4 speed auto, 5 speed auto and 6 speed manual and 6 speed auto...

Juicy tid bits of information, but when's that release date !!!

[Canters]

VE wagon production starts on Friday 7 March....


............and with the Melb Motor Show starting 29 Feb, it is looking like an early April release!!

[hatzi]

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[madone]

It looks great in the flesh; fantastic photos.
There certainly not afraid to get them out and in the open now leading up to the launch.

[Goggles]

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I note the red dash - I thought this was only an option on SS-V models, but the wheels indicate it is a SS model.

anyway looks good in black.

[Danv8]

Great pixs Hatzi!
Well one thing is I dont have to worry about is the colour I want.

Black.
:)

[Swordie]

Hatzi, quite a scoop.

[shane W Z]

Hatzi again you surprise me. Top job!!!:bow:

[The Brock]

Great scoop Hatzi; fantastic stuff...

Being from WA, I'm unsure of the significance / reason (if any) of the "B" in the rear window; is this to do with Vic Rego or something to do with Holden itself ??

I hope the red dash option is now going to be an option on base SS, and not just to SSV as per sedan; makes choosing a little easier without having to worry solely about $$$ limitations !!!

White with red.....

[hatzi]

reason (if any) of the "B" in the rear window; is this to do with Vic Rego or something to do with Holden itself ?


I would say it is something to do with Holden as there were other stickers as well on it one that said V9P004

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[jaykay]

I note the red dash - I thought this was only an option on SS-V models, but the wheels indicate it is a SS model.

anyway looks good in black.
But it only looks like the top section of the dash is red, the lower section on the glovebox is Onyx with the Onyx strip too..

Maybe the differenciation between the two....

[SJA]

Excellent pictures Hatzi, these wagons are going to look good lowered and on 20's.

[blackbettyhsv]

I wonder if the difillipo exhaust off my R8 would fit a wagon

[CLUBRED]

Might see a SV6-V introduced into the line up....

[teamkiwi]

Might see a SV6-V introduced into the line up....

It has quad pipes so highly doubtful im guessing, be a good option tho

[CharlieDontSurf]

quad pipes, SS/SV6 wheels, no V8 badging, Red dash, old brake pads on rear seats

Is it just me or is anyone else thinking that HATZI might just be a HOlden deep throat? He seems to get some good photos of all new models since the lead up to VE??

Where was Hatzi's car in all those photos. I saw an astra and VIVA wagon in the background??

Top work anyway

[Evman]

Is it just me or do all the VE's with quad tips need to be at least 2.5" diameter, preferably 3" to make the back look in proportion??? :1peek:

[CLUBRED]

It has quad pipes so highly doubtful im guessing, be a good option tho


True, but SS-V has xenon head lights to ( I hate no v option on the sv6, the omega had it :( ).

Bah, if thee have better sound proofing than the sedan then I might just get me one anyways...

[streettuned]

looks good man

[zorro]

Fantastic pics Hatzi, looks ok and the earlier chops weren't far off from the real deal.

From the B-pillar back is very 300C wagon/Audi and the rear end design is well constructed. Calais V wagon will look horn.

[The Brock]

I would say it is something to do with Holden as there were other stickers as well on it one that said V9P004

Good point, thanks Hatzi... could be something as simple as "B" for brake test mule ???

Those rear tyres look like they've done some kms...

[Goggles]

some news on the range for the sportwagon:
http://ninemsn.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2882513.aspx

it is:
Omega Alloytec V6 with 4 speed auto transmission,
Berlina Alloytec V6 with 4 speed auto transmission,
SV6 High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
SS Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed manual transmission,
SS Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission,
SS V-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed manual transmission,
SS G-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission,
Calais High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
Calais V-Series High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
Calais V-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission.

so I wonder what what the SS-G series is?

[Vulture]

some news on the range for the sportwagon:
http://ninemsn.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2882513.aspx

so I wonder what what the SS-G series is?


Probably a typo.

[old holden V8]

some news on the range for the sportwagon:
http://ninemsn.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2882513.aspx

it is:
Omega Alloytec V6 with 4 speed auto transmission,
Berlina Alloytec V6 with 4 speed auto transmission,
SV6 High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
SS Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed manual transmission,
SS Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission,
SS V-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed manual transmission,
SS G-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission,
Calais High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
Calais V-Series High Output Alloytec V6 with 5 speed auto transmission,
Calais V-Series Gen 4 V8 with 6 speed automatic transmission.

so I wonder what what the SS-G series is?

Maybe it's a misprint??

So, if this is correct info, NO Berlina V8 & NO V6 manual transmission variants by the looks?

Interesting...The Berlina Wagon 8 cyl dates back to the VK in 1984!

:)

[CLUBRED]

Yeah, not happy about the lack of V8 Berlina, wonder if there'll be a lumina wagon.

[Vulture]

Shame there is still no manual calais as well.

[COSMOS]

Seems there will be no Calais V8 option either - going by this list. Also if this list mirrors the sedan model range at the time the Sportwagon goes on sale does that mean no V* Berlina or Calais sedan too?

[Danv8]

Shame there is still no manual calais as well.

Doubt you ever see a factory manaul calais ever again.
Manuals are getting rarer now.

But my SSV wagon is going to be a manual. :)

[Goggles]

Seems there will be no Calais V8 option either - going by this list. Also if this list mirrors the sedan model range at the time the Sportwagon goes on sale does that mean no V* Berlina or Calais sedan too?

have a look at the last model.

[Holden Man]

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Great work (once again) Hatzi (The Holden Men in Black will be after you now!!)

Why would they have old rotors in the car aswell ?

Maybe they took it outback and flogged the living crap out of it - all in the name of product testing. (what a job)

[macca33]

.............i had a blu ish color wagon go past me the other way, looked calais front with crome either side of holden badge, crome strip with the driving lights in the strip across the bottom of the front air dam opening which went full width across the front, roof bars, and didnt have the badges taped up or anything...........

I had one of these drive past me at Narre Warren last weekend. I didn't have my camera/phone and was on foot, so no pics unfortunately. It was the sky blue sort of colour and had plenty of chrome accents, so was a Berlina or Calais - I wasn't close enough to see the model badges.

One thing I will say is that they look bloody hot. If they put out V8 versions in the wags, I reckon they will sell a truckload. The design of the rear roofline, how it drops down, makes the car look very sharp and sporty - not family truckster, but SPORTSwagon. It will be a very nice rig.

Cheers,

Macca

[COSMOS]

have a look at the last model.

last model is Calais V V8 only - no mention of the plain old Calais in a V8 for the sportswagon.

[HSVMAN]

Its all about demand now so if very few people buy manuals its definately going to be even fewer buying a manual Calais

[mac06]

Its all about demand now so if very few people buy manuals its definately going to be even fewer buying a manual Calais

And most people who would want a V8 in the Calais would go for the Calais V rather than the straight Calais.

More SV6 Sedan autos are sold than manuals, how much less V6 wagons in manual would be sold considering the wagon is traditionally only around 10% of the market compared to sedan. I think the mix that has been shown is about right. Plus there are more models to choose from than before.

[HSVMAN]

And most people who would want a V8 in the Calais would go for the Calais V rather than the straight Calais.

More SV6 Sedan autos are sold than manuals, how much less V6 wagons in manual would be sold considering the wagon is traditionally only around 10% of the market compared to sedan. I think the mix that has been shown is about right. Plus there are more models to choose from than before.

I do believe however that this wagon will increase in sales percentages (vs sedan) significantly because it seems many more people are now considering a wagon that wouldnt have done so before.

Put that down purely to it's stunning looks :)

[SUPERH2377]

I do believe however that this wagon will increase in sales percentages (vs sedan) significantly because it seems many more people are now considering a wagon that wouldnt have done so before.

Put that down purely to it's stunning looks :)

if you go to the holden website it said 6 speed manual mate with the alloytec high output v6 engine, and the genaration 4 alloy v8 , its the obvious choice for those who prefer a " hands on " approach. if you go to thursday then transmissions then 6 speed manual you will see it yourself so who knows but hope the holden site is right

[CLUBRED]

UK tend to lean towards manuals than we do, I guess if you really want a manual calais wait and see then get the bit to convert - but you'd have to be really desperate.

[theVman]

Judging purely by what I've seen on the road, the calais V seems to be a lot more popular than the Calais - so I'm assuming the have simplified it by dropping the plain clais from the Sportwagon line up. Good to see a few manuals - especially SSV.

I know I wont be able to get one new, but by the time we are looking to have a few kids I know I will certainly be looking for a use v8 manual!!

[v8mumbo]

I reckon the V8 wagon will sell really well.
It uses less fuel than a lot of lumbering SUV's and 4wds, and is so much more enjoyable to drive.
I was hoping to buy a Calais (not V) wagon, maybe the SSG fits in here instead of that. A slightly less hard edged SS instead of Calais.

[Black AH CDX]

Its an SS-V wagon, not SSG, we established that the "G" was simply a typo

[Clutch22]

I don't know if you guys are aware, because I haven't read through this whole thread, but you can place your order for the wagon now.

If I was to have a choice I would go the Calais V.

[calaisrat]

I dont know if the article is 100% accurate
I was looking at the website and holden have stated that there is a manual 6 speed which can be mated to the alloytec but that article makes no mention of the manual SV6.
I would say they have missed a few bits so their may be a V8 berlina and a standard calais.

[juicen]

How accurate is this article?

altfuelsaustralia.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/holden-ve-sportwagon-gets-green-credentials/

It talks about being able to shut of 4 of the 8 cylinders at low power (idle/cruise) and being optimised for E85 fuel and suggests a loss of power using ordinary unleaded??

[lukey73]

What you can get in a Sedan you can get in a Sportswagon, we have put in some orders at work.

3 new colours coming out too, not sure what they will look like but 1 is going to replace Nickle.

[V-Car]

It talks about being able to shut of 4 of the 8 cylinders at low power (idle/cruise) and being optimised for E85 fuel and suggests a loss of power using ordinary unleaded??

VZ L76 had the capability to do Active Fuel Management (Displacement On Demand) and all the V8 versions of the export Pontiac G8 have it already, so id say Holden will release it in local versions soon too with a minor model update to coincide with the wagon's release maybe.

[The Brock]

I'm in Fleet Management for a Govt Dept and was today told that there will be no dual fuel VE Wagons for at least 6-12 months due to size issues in rear cargo area for spare tyre when "donut" tank goes in spare wheel well...

This may affect some fleet choices and will perhaps stick to ded gas BF's, especially seeing the Orion wagon will have a standard 5 speed auto...in same BF shell

[teamkiwi]

What you can get in a Sedan you can get in a Sportswagon, we have put in some orders at work.

3 new colours coming out too, not sure what they will look like but 1 is going to replace Nickle.

Spirted Silver im guessing is going to be the replacement to Nickel, with the others being Voodoo = Blue (similar to Fords Bluiprint) And maybe Karma = Deep Green (Similar to fords De Javu)? Can anyone say wheather im close or not...Wonder what line up Holden NZ are going to bring over here.

[Clutch22]

I'm in Fleet Management for a Govt Dept and was today told that there will be no dual fuel VE Wagons for at least 6-12 months due to size issues in rear cargo area for spare tyre when "donut" tank goes in spare wheel well...

This may affect some fleet choices and will perhaps stick to ded gas BF's, especially seeing the Orion wagon will have a standard 5 speed auto...in same BF shell

Why not go an LPG Berlina sedan? Those are great cars. The LPG is more economical in the Holdens because the engine has been designed and tuned to suit, whereas in a normal conversion, you're going to be getting around the same consumption numbers out of the gas because the engine chews up both fuels just at the same rate.

[NewVLT]

What you can get in a Sedan you can get in a Sportswagon, we have put in some orders at work.
3 new colours coming out too, not sure what they will look like but 1 is going to replace Nickle.

I hope the do something with their Red Passion maroon colour. It looks very flat, dead and dirty compared to other maroon/deep red metallics out there.

[Clutch22]

I hope the do something with their Red Passion maroon colour. It looks very flat, dead and dirty compared to other maroon/deep red metallics out there.

Unfortunately, Red Passion sells very well and is very well thought of by those who choose it. It won't be getting changed any time soon I don't think

[The Brock]

Why not go an LPG Berlina sedan? Those are great cars. The LPG is more economical in the Holdens because the engine has been designed and tuned to suit, whereas in a normal conversion, you're going to be getting around the same consumption numbers out of the gas because the engine chews up both fuels just at the same rate.

No problems on sedan, but when carting 4-5 people in a vehicle you need storage capacity only a wagon can supply. Also the Berlina sedan whilst on our Statefleet list is only for staff above a certain classification (i.e. Directors), so it's not available to lease for normal operational purposes.

[CLUBRED]

Red passion is nice if kept clean (almost had a Calais in this colour).. I'm surprised Nickle is getting the flick, its seem fairly popular.

[HSVMAN]

Red passion is nice if kept clean (almost had a Calais in this colour).. I'm surprised Nickle is getting the flick, its seem fairly popular.

If they are replacing Nickel, I imagine it will be replaced with another silver which is still a surprise because it has sold well. However they have had problems with it

[WIKED]

I know its a personal thing but I love red passion. I would have preferred that than black but HSV wouldn't come to the party on that one.

[NewVLT]

Maybe I've just been looking at red passion painted government hacks that have never been washed.

I saw a pristine red Berlina yesterday and it completely changed my mind on the colour. It looked great. Roll on the Calais wagon with the extra chrome to set it off.

[The Brock]

This photo showed up on Holden's Media Website today....

Great to see the race teams getting a wagon, goes to show Holden are all up for marketing it as a sports wagon thats for sure !!!!

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[wanaVE]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/wanaVE/Racewagon3.jpg GOTA LOVE IT:bow::bow::bow:

:6bow::6bow::6bow::6bow:

[Dazed]

the wagons are lookin WAY hot

for some reason I think the Berlina sedan looks lame.. but the Berlina wagon looks HOT

i think its the tailamps.. the wagon tailamps look very upmarket while the Berlina sedan tailamps look cheap..

cant wait for this car... i AM getting an SS wagon 4 sure

[EHH179]

One problem that could arrise with this wagon being aimed at families is the view the back seat drivers will get. Having Miss 7 and Miss 1 in the back seat and not being able to see out of the higher racking rear door might make the longer trips harder. Also the hugs and kisses had trouble with the view out the rear window in the crewie, and me thinks the new wagon will be similar. It would definitely be the Ava replacement but not if it makes life harder for those who will be using it all of the time. The girls (wife included) love the Avalanche. Also third row seating definitely looks like it will be a no goer.

[matt_brown]

i like it looks like there is plenty of room

[Canters]

Apparently, the VE Sportwagon is on display @ the Brisbane Motor Show.

Anyone in Brisbane seen it????

[WIKED]

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[Titanium]

There was a red VE SS auto wagon at the LSV display at Hanging Rock Picnic yesterday.

It looked very smart, was registered as a 2009 model.

What engines did these end up getting? the L76 6.0 ltr with the DOD working or the L98?

Cheers

[chillicatqld]

Saw the one at the Brisvegas Motor show... all I can say is "I am getting one". :)
Black SSV coming my way - as soon as they get it out...

[ImpulSSiVZ]

Love the shape, though I'll wait till the Diesel version comes out.

[wagnman]

I saw the wagon at the Brisbane motor show and I was gob smacked.

That is one of teh hottest wagons ever made. Its a totally cool car and has the sort of presence that the Audi RS4 wagons have but with even more of everything.

I am hanging out to see if they release a Clubsport wagon version which I think will look insane!

I loved the Calais V kitted concept show car though it is a beautifully put together machine, perfect ride hight, brakes, colour and rim choice.:bow:

[Canters]

I saw the wagon at the Brisbane motor show and I was gob smacked.

That is one of teh hottest wagons ever made. Its a totally cool car and has the sort of presence that the Audi RS4 wagons have but with even more of everything.

I am hanging out to see if they release a Clubsport wagon version which I think will look insane!

I loved the Calais V kitted concept show car though it is a beautifully put together machine, perfect ride hight, brakes, colour and rim choice.:bow:

Did you notice whether it sits any higher than the sedan??

I have a Territory that comes out of lease in April and while my wife wants to get another Territory becuse of the height issue, I don't wan't to get another Territory as it already dated and it will be exactly the same (there has not even been a refesh of the interior, upholstery etc in 4 years).

How do I convince my wife to go for the lower ride Sportwagon?

[large]

I asked at my local dealership yesterday about the wagon release.

She told me not until June at the earliest. Not happy.:bawl::bawl:

[RIDE:42]

The JD one did not last long http://www.v8central.com/gallery/albums/20080210BIMF/12hr/IMG_1082_lrg.JPG

[Canters]

I asked at my local dealership yesterday about the wagon release.

She told me not until June at the earliest. Not happy.:bawl::bawl:

It will be earlier than June as production starts on 7 March!!!

[Black_Utester]

The JD one did not last long http://www.v8central.com/gallery/albums/20080210BIMF/12hr/IMG_1082_lrg.JPG

Brake fade apparently. So they better beef it up!!! Although going around Mt Panorama would require a great brake package. Ask Toll HSV last year...

[The Brock]

It will be earlier than June as production starts on 7 March!!!

Speaking to a Holden rep today who had been informed that production begins May due to trying to keep lead times on export models to a reasonable timeframe due to increased sales in Middle East.

So maybe June for vehicles in the showrooms ??

Either way, the wait is excrutiating !!!

[Canters]

THe VE sportwagon website has been updated to talk about technology and innovation aspects of the wagon.

See http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/calendar/

Very spiffy!!!

[ImpulSSiVZ]

THe VE sportwagon website has been updated to talk about technology and innovation aspects of the wagon.

See http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/calendar/

Very spiffy!!!

Videos are pretty good as well.

[Canters]

Are Ford releasing a wagon as part of their new FG series?

Couldn't see anything on the web today.

I am interested to see what their response to the VE Sportwagon will be.....

[CharlieDontSurf]

Ford are releasing a BFseries 3 wagon petrol and e gas. Everything is carried over
basically a fleet special

[Danv8]

Ford are releasing a BFseries 3 wagon petrol and e gas. Everything is carried over
basically a fleet special

Pretty much as I expected boring!.

[v8mumbo]

As we expected Ford's marketing w*nkers don't think wagon buyers want performance, handling, safety or even looks.

Result: VE Commodore wagon will be raging success.

Now if only I could shove the FG XR6 Turbo motor and ZF 6-sp auto into the VE wagon....

[Danv8]

As we expected Ford's marketing w*nkers don't think wagon buyers want performance, handling, safety or even looks.

Result: VE Commodore wagon will be raging success.

Now if only I could shove the FG XR6 Turbo motor and ZF 6-sp auto into the VE wagon....

A ford donk in a Holden?

God sakes!

6L V8 with twin turbo's on it. :bow:

[68premier]

Spotted a white low spec wagoon just round the corner from my place (Adelaide southern suburbs) a few weeks ago. Strange it had Vic rego plates on it. Nearly had a stack cos I was having a good look at it lol. Seen a few at the factory when I was contracting there but that is the first one I've seen on the road. Still cant work out why if it is made here then gone to Vic and now back again and about 50 kms away from the factory??? It had no disguise or cammo on it either. I'd say it will be quite a while before seeing another one on the streets.

[break]

Followed a red SV6 (?) wagon outbound on the westgate fwy (MEL, western suburbs), from the ring interchange out past Forsyth Rd.

No camo of any sort, no model badging on the rear (other than Holden logo). chrome strip across the tailgate, dual exhaust, alloy + skirt combo suggested SV6. Camera phone piccies turned out junk., sorry.

Looked great IRL, just like the press photos, very identifiable.

[Canters]

Followed a red SV6 (?) wagon outbound on the westgate fwy (MEL, western suburbs), from the ring interchange out past Forsyth Rd.

No camo of any sort, no model badging on the rear (other than Holden logo). chrome strip across the tailgate, dual exhaust, alloy + skirt combo suggested SV6. Camera phone piccies turned out junk., sorry.

Looked great IRL, just like the press photos, very identifiable.

Did you think it sat any higher than the sedan??

[break]

Did you think it sat any higher than the sedan??

No, in motion at least, it looked to sit in a similar fashion to the SV6 sedan. I followed directly behind for some time. The cargo area appeared completely empty so it wasn't weighed down in any way.

A VT wagon was traveling beside it at one point and a combination of the VE's extra bulk, styling and flared guards made it (visually) appear to ride lower than the VT.

[HJCoupe]

Spotted a white low spec wagoon just round the corner from my place (Adelaide southern suburbs) a few weeks ago. Strange it had Vic rego plates on it. Nearly had a stack cos I was having a good look at it lol. Seen a few at the factory when I was contracting there but that is the first one I've seen on the road. Still cant work out why if it is made here then gone to Vic and now back again and about 50 kms away from the factory??? It had no disguise or cammo on it either. I'd say it will be quite a while before seeing another one on the streets.

The reason being...that it gets transported to f/bend or the proving ground to be used for certain testing and gets fitted out with test equipment eg a trans calibration car,engine cal,suspension...etc
and gets rego'd here in Vic then can end up anywhere in OZ for various test trips.