VE Wagon.

[Canters]

Only 5 more sleeps until we find out all about the Sportwagon!!!

Melbourne Motor Show can't come quick enough...

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

DOES any one know what car will be at the show as i would go down for it IF they are going to have some thing NEW
other wise i couldn't be bothered looking at all the same stuff as the bris show again

[OnItsBalls]

Saw one yesterday, white omega no covers or anything, all out in the open, @ westfield airport west.

Sorry, no pics, looked very tough for an omega though!

Looks like ill be trading the VY in for a calais v sportswagon!

[VESportswagon20]

DOES any one know what car will be at the show as i would go down for it IF they are going to have some thing NEW
other wise i couldn't be bothered looking at all the same stuff as the bris show again

I would expect to see the full range of Sportwagon lust like the sedan counterpart for the MMS as its the show closest to the release of it.

[Swordie]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new wagon at the Melbourne Motor Show. I received a complementary ticket from Holden because I purchased mine new. I have been very happy with my car. It’s now done 110,000 Kms and is going strong. The only disappointment is the stereo, I wish Holden had the option to fit an IPod like when Ford released the BA.

I would estimate a VE SS Wagon with fleet discount will go for mid 40’s. That’s good buying considering the competition. Only one competitor comes to mind a 300C, it would be 10K more.

If anyone is attending the show and can validate me please send a PM.

[nudenut]

I would expect to see the full range of Sportwagon lust like the sedan counterpart for the MMS as its the show closest to the release of it.
Freudian slip? Very appropriate anyway - I've lusted after the wagon ever since I saw the first leaked pic ... :headbang:

[VESportswagon20]

Freudian slip? Very appropriate anyway - I've lusted after the wagon ever since I saw the first leaked pic ... :headbang:

Yes, it was a slip but I too have lusted about the Sportwago since I first saw it too and decided then and there that I was going to buy a Calais V sportwagon. Come Feb 29 when we see it at the MMS I am sure there will be many more people lusting over it. I am sure that there will be a bit of a waiting list guaging at the reaction it is getting ad also for the fact that Ford have made a huge humugas mistake by not folowing Holdens path. As has already been mentioned the only wagon close in size and price is the 300c and thats 10 grand more. Very hard to call the Chrysler a 300C because even now I still associate 300C with Nissan when they had the 300C/300ZX. My money is here and waiting for you Holden. 1 Calais V Sportwagon with the lot please. Oh thats right what else could you want in a car that beautiful and already with most things a driver would want.

[Canters]

Yes, it was a slip but I too have lusted about the Sportwago since I first saw it too and decided then and there that I was going to buy a Calais V sportwagon. Come Feb 29 when we see it at the MMS I am sure there will be many more people lusting over it. I am sure that there will be a bit of a waiting list guaging at the reaction it is getting ad also for the fact that Ford have made a huge humugas mistake by not folowing Holdens path. As has already been mentioned the only wagon close in size and price is the 300c and thats 10 grand more. Very hard to call the Chrysler a 300C because even now I still associate 300C with Nissan when they had the 300C/300ZX. My money is here and waiting for you Holden. 1 Calais V Sportwagon with the lot please. Oh thats right what else could you want in a car that beautiful and already with most things a driver would want.

Lastest buzz is that it will not be available until June......so having your money ready at the MMS is not going to help.......

Not happy Jan!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Brock]

for the fact that Ford have made a huge humugas mistake by not folowing Holdens path. As has already been mentioned the only wagon close in size and price is the 300c and thats 10 grand more.

Have to disagree there that Ford have made a mistake; with Holden no longer offering a "large" size wagon, and Ford continuing with the BF III wagon, there is still at least a car that will comfortably take 4 passengers, and luggage that doesn't have the 4WD running and operational costs. Whilst the Ford wagon is going to look dated, it at least gets an updated transmission (5 speed auto) and from a fleet management point of view, it's still a vital tool when you have people travelling to the country all the time that you can haul passengers and luggage.

Holden will win the war on the retail market no doubt, but for those fleets that need cars purely as tools to get the job done, the Falcon will still be popular; and with the VE not offering factory dual fuel on the wagon; the ded.gas BF III wagon will look strong there to. The only hope is that the projected resale on the BF III wagon isn't shot to smithereens due to the presumed success of the VE sportwagon.

Just an opinion from someone who works in Fleet Management.:)

[msnealo]

........ at least gets an updated transmission (5 speed auto) .......

The Falcon wagon is stuck with the old 4 speed.

[Titanium]

The Falcon wagon is stuck with the old 4 speed.

The New / Old ford wagon gets an upgrade to a 5 speed auto ...... was in the motoring section of the paper today ... so it must be true!

[CharlieDontSurf]

Petrol gets 5 speed. E Gas gets 4 speed like all egas FG falcons/utes. Aparently they have to change the whole type of gas system to make it work with the esp (cylinder shutdown) and this is why the gas models dont get esp.

[msnealo]

The New / Old ford wagon gets an upgrade to a 5 speed auto ...... was in the motoring section of the paper today ... so it must be true!

Apparently from here (http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/AD9BF6C90659E38BCA2573F0001A6DDB?OpenDocument)


However, the FG sedan and ute’s upgraded 4.0-litre in-line six-cylinder engine, which now delivers 195kW of power at 6000rpm and 391Nm of torque at 3250rpm, will not be fitted to the BF MkIII wagon.

Nor will the new 5R55S five-speed automatic gearbox make it on board the BF III.

Instead, it will continue with the current I6 powerplant, which develops 190kW and 383Nm, tied to the Australian-made four-speed automatic gearbox.

and here (http://carpoint.com.au/car-review/2893466.aspx)


The BF Falcon Wagon MkIII will be available in only XT specification level with the choice of two 'carryover' powertrains -- Ford's existing petrol six and its E-Gas LPG equivalent. Also carried over is the current four-speed automatic transmission.

it's on the net..................it must be true :)

[SUPERH2377]

Apparently from here (http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/AD9BF6C90659E38BCA2573F0001A6DDB?OpenDocument)



and here (http://carpoint.com.au/car-review/2893466.aspx)



it's on the net..................it must be true :)

does anybody know if they will have they real prices and specs for the car

[The Brock]

does anybody know if they will have they real prices and specs for the car


Specs and prices due mid March.

You can see some pics and basic info on the Ford website, select "new falcon"...

But enough of Falcons , we want the VE wagon !!! :bow:

[msnealo]

Specs and prices due mid March.

You can see some pics and basic info on the Ford website, select "new falcon"...

But enough of Falcons , we want the VE wagon !!! :bow:

Yep bring on the VE, the wait is killing me!!!!!

[BE57IA]

Yep bring on the VE, the wait is killing me!!!!!

Hasn't it already been released? Anyway, should look horn...

[ralcool]

Saw a white VE Omega Wagon parked at Geelong Port on Sunday.
Wife (Proud owner of V6 powered VK Wagon) wasn't impressed!

The rear looks very short and roof tapers rearward rather sharply.

I snapped off 3 photos- anybody want to host them?

I was quite sure they hadn't been released yet. It was Vic registered.

Coudn't see the driver anywhere, so managed to have a little look at it, other wise standard VE fair, but with a wagon butt.

Still, fun to find one in the wild.

Sean

[SUPERH2377]

Specs and prices due mid March.

You can see some pics and basic info on the Ford website, select "new falcon"...

But enough of Falcons , we want the VE wagon !!! :bow:

sorry i ment the holden not a sh-tbox i dont know how to do a new quoete without adding onto someone else i am not very good on computers and still learning thanks

[The Brock]

I snapped off 3 photos- anybody want to host them?

I've pm'd you my email address mate; send them through and I'll host them and put them up tonight - cheers

Images as taken by ralcool....

Interesting it has some alloys, 16's by the look of it, factory option no doubt.

http://www.lionslair.net.au/user_imgs/821.jpg

http://www.lionslair.net.au/user_imgs/822.jpg

http://www.lionslair.net.au/user_imgs/823.jpg

[KeenGolfer]

Those wheels on that wagon are farken ugly.

[teamkiwi]

Those wheels on that wagon are farken ugly.

They are the same Alloys that the Omega get standard in NZ, and i agree they are a bit too plain jane. Still i reckon that the wagon is still the looker of the bunch, even in Omega form.

[ralcool]

Notice the Ford BF2 in the background.. horrid hire car we recieved when I was hoping to try a VE. (Ordered a 'Large Sedan'...my mistake was Europecar don't have VE's aparently.... :flipoff:

More rattles than wifes VK, cruise control with anmesia, dopey 4sp auto that kicks back at a whiff of throttle (not allowing the not unreasonable torque to do it's job...gate to 'manual' mode nearly cures it), constant bashing head on stupid sloping A pillar, and rather poor economy.. 580km to the tank (Hway)
Poor radio reception... et al. God, and the body roll- whoa boy.
And the I6 sounds like a sewing machine when under it.

And only 20k on the clock...impressive Mr Ford.

Rant over... I have completely reaffirmed my hatred for Falcons.

Sean

[V-Car]

Thanks for the pics ralcool.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think the wagon might have looked a little better if the rear side window extended a bit further like this?
PS: I dont have photoshop, so please dont bag my hatchet job. :hide:

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/vewagon7.jpg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/vewagon8.jpg

[VYSHSV8]

Thanks for the pics ralcool.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think the wagon might have looked a little better if the rear side window extended a bit further like this?
PS: I dont have photoshop, so please dont bag my hatchet job. :hide:

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/vewagon7.jpg
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~reccie/vewagon8.jpg

Yeh it does Ross looks heaps better plus it takes out a bit of the blind spot that the C pillar creates

[Vulture]

Thanks for the pics ralcool.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone think the wagon might have looked a little better if the rear side window extended a bit further like this?
PS: I dont have photoshop, so please dont bag my hatchet job. :hide:

Your chop looks good. But I think the reason it looks a bit off in those pics is that the small wheels on that wagon make it look even worse from a big arse perspective. I also think there is a touch of barrel distortion going on in that shot (due to the lens at wide angle) which also exacerbates the big pillar look.

[Fnomna]

Yeah I think a combination of angle, lens and being white. Also, the chrome on the show car made that pillar look a bit thinner
2007-10-11 165905 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j1of2/2038900846/in/set-72157603357128164/) (60mm eqiv. FL)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Holden just put macro up on wagon full range and pricing

[Canters]

Holden just put macro up on wagon full range and pricing

.....as well as colours and interior trim details.

[The Brock]

Interesting it has some alloys, 16's by the look of it, factory option no doubt.

Got that wrong, Omega Sportwagon gets 16" alloys standard...

[Black AH CDX]

And Omega sedan will get these wheels too. Both will also get 6 airbags and colour coded mirrors and door handles as standard. Sportwagon adds park assist.

[CharlieDontSurf]

so holdens answer to FG Falcon is a set of alloys and 4 more airbagson the omega

[racerboi25]

God it looks as amazing as i expected - I mean, we've all seen enough pics of the Wagon since October, but damn, that is one good looken machine...it's enough to make a teenager like me to sell my soul for one:deal:
good thing dad's doen that for me! (well it's his car,but u get the idea)

only thing im slightly worried about
will Holden be putting the Wagon range on display at the show or not? - like i know it'll be on show, but will showgoers be able to get a good squiz on the inside of the cars or will we be forced to wait from the sidelines and simply watch the thing rotate on some turntable

now that would be lame - one of my sole reasons for going this weekend would be to see the wagon up close and personal
i dont see any reason why they wouldnt do this,but u know some of the stupid things car companies can do...

anyone visited the show yet?
anyway really looken forward to seeing this beast up close and personal
goodbye WAY past-it VS Wagon.....hello VE Calais Sportwagon:dance:

[v8mumbo]

According to the Holden site the standard VE Calais wagon only comes with the V6.
To get a V8 Calais you have to go up to Calais V which is too expensive for me.

It looks like you can only get a Limited Slip Diff with the FE2 rock-hard suspension which I definitely dont want or need.

I have been quite happy with my VY Berlina V8 wagon.
Its a very comfortable and fast tourer. Tyres slightly fatter than standard gave me all the grip I need without a bone jarring ride. The LSD is brilliant in the wet. Way more effective than the ineffective traction control which I have to switch off in the wet.

Also it doesn't look like a hoon car so the Cops leave me alone.

[v8mumbo]

According to the Holden site the standard VE Calais wagon only comes with the V6.
To get a V8 Calais you have to go up to Calais V which is too expensive for me.

It looks like you can only get a Limited Slip Diff with the FE2 rock-hard suspension which I definitely dont want or need.

I have been quite happy with my VY Berlina V8 wagon.
Its a very comfortable and fast tourer. Tyres slightly fatter than standard gave me all the grip I need without a bone jarring ride. The LSD is brilliant in the wet. Way more effective than the ineffective traction control which I have to switch off in the wet.

Also it doesn't look like a hoon car so the Cops leave me alone.

[Canters]

Can anyone tell whether production has started on the VE Wagon - it was originally due to start on 7 March, but not sure whether that was the case.

I am also not having much luck finding out when firm orders can be placed and the likely available/delivery dates.

ALL HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED!

[Goggles]

can now build and price any of the sportwagons on the Holden website.

also the new colours appear for the rest of the commodore range - including blue leather inserts.

[msnealo]

Yep I've already had a quote done and could order if I wanted.

[Rick]

What is the story with no sunroof option though?

[ti0350]

Whats the real difference between an SS and SSV I just did a build and price on both sportwagons on the Holden website and the SS was 7k is the SSV really worth 7k more then an SS.. 7k is a lot of dosh I'd be more inclined to go with the SS if there wasnt a lot of difference..

[Canters]

can now build and price any of the sportwagons on the Holden website.

also the new colours appear for the rest of the commodore range - including blue leather inserts.

Thanks, but the website does not give any details on options, so it makes it hard to come up with a price ........and dealers are not giving much away (or don't know) as to the timing of the release....

They won't even (or can't) tell me whether production has started.

As you can guess from my previous comments, I'm very frustrated....and Holden is potentially about to loose a sale...................

[Dagabond]

It's a bitch when those of us in the now generation cant get what we wanted yesterday aint it.....

[The Brock]

Good comment !!! Try ordering anything out of Toyota with a 3.0L turbo diesel, 9 month production wait !!

[chillicatqld]

that's funny that Omega... all I can see is this...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj214/chillicatqld/822.jpg

[NewVLT]

Does anyone have pics of the new Provence colour listed for the Berlina and Calais wagons only ?

Karma is shown on the car on front cover of the pdf brochure on Holdens website but I hadn't come across Provence before. Looks a little bit like the aqua colour that the old VS wagons had but perhaps not as dark.

[SUPERH2377]

What is the story with no sunroof option though?

I WANT A SUNROOF ASWELL NOT GOOD ALSO I WANT TO GET A MAN SSV BUT TOLD ON SATURDAY THAT YOU CANT HAVE THE MEMORY ON THE SSV ELECTRIC SEATS LIKE THE CALAIS BECAUSE ITS A PAIN IN THE ARSE WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SEAT BACK AFTER THE MRS DRIVES IT . AND YOU CANT GET A MAN CALAIS AND I WAS TOLD THE HORRIBLE RED LIGHTS FOR THE DASH CANT BE CHANGED

[JustCruising]

Just because you shout doesn't mean you are going to get it!!!

[Danv8]

I WANT A SUNROOF ASWELL NOT GOOD ALSO I WANT TO GET A MAN SSV BUT TOLD ON SATURDAY THAT YOU CANT HAVE THE MEMORY ON THE SSV ELECTRIC SEATS LIKE THE CALAIS BECAUSE ITS A PAIN IN THE ARSE WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SEAT BACK AFTER THE MRS DRIVES IT . AND YOU CANT GET A MAN CALAIS AND I WAS TOLD THE HORRIBLE RED LIGHTS FOR THE DASH CANT BE CHANGED

Please pick up your keyboard and smack yourself in the head with it!
And say at the same time "I will not shout".
;)

Ava nice day!

[The Brock]

Heather Mist is the colour you are referring to on the VS:-

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/3419853.jpg

There was a colour on VX for a while also called, but it never took off or lasted long. It was called Botticelli. Can't find a picture anywhere at the moment, but it's got a bit more "green" in it than Provence... and a bit brighter than Heather Mist on the VS...

Here is a VE Sedan in Provence.... can't find a wagon pic at the moment sorry...

http://www.nextcar.com.au/rt.i.holden.VE.berlina.blue.park.r.00.60.JPG

[NewVLT]

Thanks. Unfortunately on the Holden build-a-car thing it looks more like this, which is what I was hoping for -

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/VSV8.jpg

Looks like I'll be sticking with Red Passion.

[teamkiwi]

The colours on holden build a car webpage do not give an accurate representation of the colours. It is best to use the carsales.com webpage to get a good indication of what a colour looks like in real life.

[EfiJy]

saw a black one today. looked :bawl::spew: sorry notmy type:eyes:

[Canters]

What is the story with no sunroof option though?


Have others heard that there will be no sunroof option for the Sportwagon??

[Black AH CDX]

Thanks. Unfortunately on the Holden build-a-car thing it looks more like this, which is what I was hoping for -

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/VSV8.jpg

Looks like I'll be sticking with Red Passion.

If you want a similar colour how about the new one called Karma?

[Rick]

Re the sunroof, if you go to "build & price a vehicle" on the web-site, you can select one for an SS or SS-V sedan, but not for a wagon.

I am hoping that it is an oversight, but after 20 years of buying Commodores (with the depreciation to prove it) my experience is that Holden have an incredible nack of not giving customers what they want.

Starting with no manuals in most cars (even worse now), and no cruise on the few cars that did have manuals (until VT2 LS1 from memory, yes I had one).

But I still hope to buy a new SS Wagon.

I live in hope.

Rick

[planetdavo]

my experience is that Holden have an incredible nack of not giving customers what they want.

Starting with no manuals in most cars (even worse now)
They will NEVER please everyone. It simply isn't possible, if they have any wish to make money, which is, after all, they reason they exist!
Building 30,000 G8's is the sort of complexity they like to add to the production line, not a few hundred extra manual cars per year, AT BEST.
If the mix didn't suit "most" of the market, they wouldn't be selling what they do!

[v8mumbo]

If all you want is a sunroof go buy an Asian buzz box like a Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai etc.

V8 Commodores are about sheer grunt and handling, not stupid gimmicks.

If you are that desperate for a sunroof just get an aftermarket one fitted.

The last thing I want in any vehicle is a sunroof. They are nothing but trouble.

[CraigH]

If all you want is a sunroof go buy an Asian buzz box like a Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai etc.

V8 Commodores are about sheer grunt and handling, not stupid gimmicks.

If you are that desperate for a sunroof just get an aftermarket one fitted.

The last thing I want in any vehicle is a sunroof. They are nothing but trouble.


That may be your opinion and your entitled to it but there is much more to a car than just "Sheer Grunt".

For many a car is a balance of many things and sunroofs have been popular items for many years.

Also the provious comment re Holden not giving what customers want, you may find manuals are not as "in demand" as you think.

Just because enthusiasts may like them does not make up enough units to mean fitting, testing etc etc for the entire car range. The dollars outlayed would never be returned to the company and they would go broke - (more broke than they are now :-)

The only problem with an aftermarket sunroof in a VE is that it is not a true factory item. For up to VZ it made no difference as they cut the roof off the line to fit them. For VE it looks like its a new roof panel with proper sunroof fitment.

Regards

Craig

[Micks]

Looking @ the Holden site do I take there is only the 6 speed Auto option? Is the 5 speed available also?

Cheers
VYT

[SecretSquirrel]

Saw two VE Wagons tonight on the way to the airport. One white SS towing a trailer with two ATV's on it on Springvale Road, then a black something coming the other way along the Tullamarine freeway.

I expected to see them out and about, but didn't expect one to be hauling Suzuki farm quads :). Good to see some real world testing though!

[Avalanche]

If all you want is a sunroof go buy an Asian buzz box like a Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai etc.

V8 Commodores are about sheer grunt and handling, not stupid gimmicks.

If you are that desperate for a sunroof just get an aftermarket one fitted.

The last thing I want in any vehicle is a sunroof. They are nothing but trouble.

Says you, i have not had one problem with mine on the avalanche. I for one would appreciate a sunroof in a hsv wagon.


Saw two VE Wagons tonight on the way to the airport. One white SS towing a trailer with two ATV's on it on Springvale Road, then a black something coming the other way along the Tullamarine freeway.

I expected to see them out and about, but didn't expect one to be hauling Suzuki farm quads :). Good to see some real world testing though!

mmmm, towing quad bikes. right up my alley. I hope they tow them hard & make sure the driveline can handle it as good as the avalanche has. that means 100km an hour on the dirt with trailer in tow at the least. Actually i could show them a couple of quiet dirt & tar roads that will test out every facet of the cars suspension, steering, brakes, & tyres, as well as find out if there are any rattles lurking. Makes my day every time i drive this road.

[NewVLT]

Anyone seen an accessories list for the wagon range yet ?

[Dickie Knee]

Anyone seen an accessories list for the wagon range yet ?

Accessory lists are due at dealers mid April.

[NewVLT]

Thanks DK. Appreciated.

[CSP]

Can't wait to see HSV's wagon :D

Could be VERY temped!

[NewVLT]

Having not spent a lot of time in new cars over the last twenty years I've got to say I was a little disappointed at the Adelaide Motor Show yesterday, not just in the manufacturer turnout (no BMW, Mercedes or Porsche) but in the Sportwagon itself.

Now I've been a Holden bloke since I learnt to drive and the look of Calais V wagon (to me anyway) is impressive, except for perhaps not an overly different frontal look to other model VE's. What wasn't were the detail parts. Glovebox and sunglass holder both felt like I was going to break them first go, as did the console lid.

Painted styrofoam around the spare wheel liner is an umm...interesting touch. Tailgate has a strange light pressure release handle on it, which in itself isn't too bad, but upon closing it sounds like closing the hatch from a '90's Suzuki Swift. Very loud and very tinny and I swear the 1988 Calais wagon tailgate sounds more solid. Maybe they're early build pre-production cars. Here's hoping.

It's also nowhere near as wide in the rear as I thought it would be and is actually not an awful lot wider than the Passat R36 (the seats are superb) that VW had on display and is a lot shallower.

Maybe this is the way things have gone with all the manufacturers but after 21 years driving VL's I just expected a bit more of a leap in quality, or at least the feel of a better quality. These are just my initial impressions having been out of the new car market for so long and maybe a drive will make all the difference. We'll see.

[CSP]

Hahahaha!!! Comparing a VE with a VL is a joke mate!

Some people don't like the VE plastics but most concede quality in the VE, is overall, better than any Commodore before it.

[NewVLT]

Like I said, they were just my impressions without driving it and I'm sure the quantum leap I'm looking for will show up there.

Oh, and my VL's aren't your run of the mill dungers. The sedan I've had from new has been maintained like new so I felt the comparison was valid.

This thing really grabbed me though -

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/PassatR36c.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/PassatR36a.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/PassatR36b.jpg

[Holden Man]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/NewVLT/PassatR36b.jpg

A golf with a bigger bum !

[NewVLT]

A golf with a bigger bum !

I was surprised how big it actually was. Oozes quality.
220kw n/a V6 and a 0-100km/h time that stands up to a 6.0 litre VE.
Can't find a road test anywhere yet though on the R36 variant and it won't be here until near the end of the year and I need something before then so the Calais V it is.

[Nidz]

Who cares. It's still a VW. You gotta back the brand even if it dosen't stand up to some of the Euro cars. The new sportswagon looks cool. I'd love to have one. I hope they don't make it's arse sit up in the air like they did with the Utes.

[Holden Man]

..... Oozes quality......

I'll admit that.

The VW group (Audi etc) is certainly on top of the game when it comes to interiors - very nice

[Avalanche]

Cmon HSV, i need a replacement for this, are you listening?????
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/jkm57l/100_0161.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/jkm57l/100_0160.jpg
Dont make me chuck a :bawl:

[chrism697]

hey avalanche......the car looks great towing the couch!!!

:stick:
sorry just stirring haha

[Avalanche]

hey avalanche......the car looks great towing the couch!!!

:stick:
sorry just stirring haha

Yeah, l left myself open for that one:flip2: Nothing like riding a 700cc efi 4wd lounge chair. I would like to see a race quad ride 160 km 2 up with 10 lt of fuel plus hsv cooler bag, small compressor& snatch strap. You wouldnt be able to sit for a month:stick: Ohh did i mention heated hand grips intercom with phone/UHF/ ipod connection, for those long comfortable days 4wdriving

[Big_Valven]

One quick point - new VLT expressed disappointment from the wagon's similarity to the sedans. I believe that is the point - visual recognition and continuity through the range. Since when did any holden wagon front end look different to it's sedan counterpart.

That said, VW are quite good in design and quality. I'd still rather a Holden.
Does anyone have on-road prices for both the VW and the wagon? I assume the VW would be slightly more expensive, not a huge gap though?

The Holden's exterior design seems much more refined to me than the VW, which has a nice front end but the back is where it all turns pear-shaped.

[Canters]

Anyone know whether Sportwagon production has started yet???

[CSP]

Anyone know whether Sportwagon production has started yet???

Yes. I'm sure someone knows if it has started production yet or not :D

I believe a better question would be, "has Sportwagon production started yet?"

[SUPERH2377]

any news on a release date yet i was told by a dealer not to expect one b4 early july also heard that they had rear suspension ploblem

[NewVLT]

One quick point - new VLT expressed disappointment from the wagon's similarity to the sedans. I believe that is the point - visual recognition and continuity through the range. Since when did any holden wagon front end look different to it's sedan counterpart.

That said, VW are quite good in design and quality. I'd still rather a Holden.
Does anyone have on-road prices for both the VW and the wagon? I assume the VW would be slightly more expensive, not a huge gap though?

The Holden's exterior design seems much more refined to me than the VW, which has a nice front end but the back is where it all turns pear-shaped.

I wasn't so much worried about seperation from the wagon and the sedan in the frontal looks department, but more from Omega to Calais. A comment from a mate of mine who's not really into cars made me stop and look at them again after he said he couldn't see much of a difference.

Base RRP (not incl taxes and on-roads) for the Calais V 6.0l wagon is $60,290

Base RRP for the Passat R36 wagon is $66,990
Metallic paint is standard but most other options seem to be on-par with the Calais, except a Satnav setup with reversing camera for the wagon adds almost 3K ! Oh, and you can get an autotailgate release and sunroof. You're right about the rear end of the Passat too.


any news on a release date yet i was told by a dealer not to expect one b4 early july also heard that they had rear suspension ploblem

I know they had some tailgate sealing problems but that's all been retooled and resolved. Suspension is no different to sedan so I couldn't see where that would be an issue. Salesman at the show said June/July delivery.

[SCiFiRE]

I dunno if you'd really compare prices of the V8 Calais to the 220kw R36, Id sooner compare it in price to the 200kw V6 Calais, (if interior specs and such are similar) in which case the R36 is about $11,000 more expensive. hardly chump change, but you are getting a much better built car.

[CSP]

also heard that they had rear suspension ploblem

Well the utes and wagons use the same rear suspension architecture... So you'd want to hope not! lol

[Number55]

Well the utes and wagons use the same rear suspension architecture... So you'd want to hope not! lol

Utes even use the same setup as the sedans, just a different springrate from what i am aware.

[CSP]

As far as I know, the Utes and the Wagons use a much more compact rear suspension design than the sedans.

It's how they have flattened the cargo area in both of them.

[The Brock]

City Motors here in Perth have a big sign on their showroom window saying "VE Wagon here in April"... so shouldn't be long till we see them in the flesh on the street...

[Nemo]

I've placed a firm order for a SSV wagon and have been told by the dealer that the first batch of wagons wil be white omega's to satisfy the fleet market and rent a car mobs. and that it will be early July at best ! bit of a pain as i have to hand back the current lease SV6 mid June ! looks like a few weeks in a pool car !!!!!

[ryno]

You wont see one in April despite what City's are saying.. June/July they will start hitting the floor.

[NewVLT]

Maybe it should read more like "A (singular) teaser VE Wagon here in April" perhaps.

[v8mumbo]

I hope the Passat R36 you saw had better seats than the more affordable (for many) regular Passat wagon. The front seats in regular Passats are truly dreadful and let down an otherwise reasonable wagon.

Ride quality at low speeds is poor in the Passats compared to Calais.

Short of HSV, the VE Calais and SS models have the absolute best seats in the affordable car business IMO.

So I'm still going to hang out for a VE Calais wagon.
Wouldn't mind a VW style DSG gearbox for it though.

Cheers

[VIPER6]

I saw a white Omega wagon on the road the other night in SA near Adrien Brien (think) Ford...looks better than the FPV FG GT :p

[NewVLT]

I hope the Passat R36 you saw had better seats than the more affordable (for many) regular Passat wagon. The front seats in regular Passats are truly dreadful and let down an otherwise reasonable wagon.

Ride quality at low speeds is poor in the Passats compared to Calais.

Short of HSV, the VE Calais and SS models have the absolute best seats in the affordable car business IMO.

So I'm still going to hang out for a VE Calais wagon.
Wouldn't mind a VW style DSG gearbox for it though.

I've heard that gearbox is the thing to have. The seats in the R36 were very supportive, though I could imagine the large bolsters on the side might annoy or wear over time.

Thanks for the extra input on the VE. Maybe I was being too picky having not really looked to buy a new car in the last 20 years. I made my mind up after mulling it over for a day or so and will stick with the Calais V. The Holden dealer got back to me with a dimension and spec sheet for the Calais V Friday morning (pretty impressed as I was only at the motor show on Thursday arvo).

[6ltrvz]

VE SS sports wagon at Adel mtr show today was awesome even the wife wanted one which always makes life easier.:)

[blackbettyhsv]

VE SS sports wagon at Adel mtr show today was awesome even the wife wanted one which always makes life easier.:)

gees mate if the wife wants one you are half way there :)

[SUPERH2377]

I wasn't so much worried about seperation from the wagon and the sedan in the frontal looks department, but more from Omega to Calais. A comment from a mate of mine who's not really into cars made me stop and look at them again after he said he couldn't see much of a difference.

Base RRP (not incl taxes and on-roads) for the Calais V 6.0l wagon is $60,290

Base RRP for the Passat R36 wagon is $66,990
Metallic paint is standard but most other options seem to be on-par with the Calais, except a Satnav setup with reversing camera for the wagon adds almost 3K ! Oh, and you can get an autotailgate release and sunroof. You're right about the rear end of the Passat too.



I know they had some tailgate sealing problems but that's all been retooled and resolved. Suspension is no different to sedan so I couldn't see where that would be an issue. Salesman at the show said June/July delivery.

thanks for the feedback

[teamkiwi]

Has anyone noticed that Provence is available on the SV6/SS/V models on the sportwagons. Looks a lot like Turismo on Holden build and price webpage. It looks a lot flatter,than Provence Metallic, does anyone have a picture of Provence rather than Provence metallic?

[Black AH CDX]

The colour that looks like Turismo is in fact the new colour VOODOO.

Provence and Provence Metallic is the same thing

[teamkiwi]

The colour that looks like Turismo is in fact the new colour VOODOO.

Provence and Provence Metallic is the same thing

Nah i know what colour Voodoo is and i know that some people have mistaken the colour on the Holden Website as Turismo on some of the sample shots of the SSV. Its the Colour Provence that looks like Turismo on the Sportwagon build and price page. So you just beleive its just a glitch on the Holden Webpage, and that they should be showing the same colour??

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e2096935f1.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Provence

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b77b3b7011.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Provence Metallic

[Vulture]

The colour that looks like Turismo is in fact the new colour VOODOO.

Provence and Provence Metallic is the same thing

Yes, Voodoo looks nothing like Provence or Turismo. It is a very strong metallic blue. Almost like the blue on Easter egg foil wrapping is the best description I can think of! Stronger than Impulse Blue but more like that than any other colour.

[V8SSVWAGON]

Just placed an order for a SSV Wagon in Phantom Black....Gen 4 8 with 6 speed man....now the wait begins, they said Late July, fingers crossed. I have the first of 3 SSV six speeds commin into WA...Sweet.:smilesandbanana:

[lux_06]

saw a red ss today driving round looked very nice

[clubbie]

Just saw this thread again.

Came home from the show here in Adelaide with three brochures. Mazda 6 Wagon, Holden Sportwagon and VW R36 passat.

The R36 on display was $75k plus on roads. Options were sunroof $2k, Satnav and camera $3k, Tailgate $750, Audio upgrade $2k added to $67K base.

BTW the seats were deep sided unlike the regular Passat...very nice.

The Mazda was nice but familiar (wife has a SP23).

The sportwagon...was really well done and surprised me...must test drive one. Wonder if they are going to do a Senator wagon:bravo:

Clubbie

[Black AH CDX]

Nah i know what colour Voodoo is and i know that some people have mistaken the colour on the Holden Website as Turismo on some of the sample shots of the SSV. Its the Colour Provence that looks like Turismo on the Sportwagon build and price page. So you just beleive its just a glitch on the Holden Webpage, and that they should be showing the same colour??

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e2096935f1.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Provence

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b77b3b7011.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Provence Metallic


They are terrible representations of the colour.

[Brass Munky]

Just saw this thread again.

Came home from the show here in Adelaide with three brochures. Mazda 6 Wagon, Holden Sportwagon and VW R36 passat.

The R36 on display was $75k plus on roads. Options were sunroof $2k, Satnav and camera $3k, Tailgate $750, Audio upgrade $2k added to $67K base.

BTW the seats were deep sided unlike the regular Passat...very nice.

The Mazda was nice but familiar (wife has a SP23).

The sportwagon...was really well done and surprised me...must test drive one. Wonder if they are going to do a Senator wagon:bravo:

Clubbie

I loved that R36, im sure with some tinering it could be a weapon, is it FWD or AWD? If its awd it will certainly be good fun...... But not quite as entertaining as a wagon with some cubes under it

[NewVLT]

Order placed and deposit paid today for Calais V wagon in Karma. :D
Now the wait begins.....:(

Jut one thing I hope forums members might be able to help me out with.
I test drove a Calais V International and SS back to back today and noticed the steering (through the wheel) was much firmer and not as sensitive as the Calais V. Both were V8's, both on 19's, only difference was the SS had FE2 and the Calais didn't.
Would the FE2 have made an appreciable difference on it's own or has there been a ratio revision at some stage ?
Much preferred the firmer feel of the SS.

[Micks]

About to approach a dealer for the SS in Sydney, can you guys recommend a sound dealer for a reasonable deal? Also just curious what fuel figures are quoted on these wagons?
My rollin 1900Kg VY Tonner avg's 19Ltrs/100Kms what should I expect from the wagon??

Cheers
VYT

[The Brock]

I don't think there will be too many deals for a while, demand is nearly outstripping supply on a lot of new cars, so with all the new car hype and anticipation surrounding the VE wagon release, dealers probably won't have to do much to secure a deal !!!! Best bet if not wanting to pay close to sticker price is to wait for a demo or 08 plate runouts come December......

[Vulture]

Order placed and deposit paid today for Calais V wagon in Karma. :D
Now the wait begins.....:(

Jut one thing I hope forums members might be able to help me out with.
I test drove a Calais V International and SS back to back today and noticed the steering (through the wheel) was much firmer and not as sensitive as the Calais V. Both were V8's, both on 19's, only difference was the SS had FE2 and the Calais didn't.
Would the FE2 have made an appreciable difference on it's own or has there been a ratio revision at some stage ?
Much preferred the firmer feel of the SS.

Tyre pressures?

[V8SSVWAGON]

My dealer told me that if you diddnt get your order in by yesterday the list price for these things just went up 2K...sweet got in a few days ago and have been nominated the first 6 speed man black ssv.....anyone here ordered the SSV ? if so what out the door price did you get ? and what extras ?

I paid $250 for full size spare and $400 for metalic Phantom...thought that the SS came with full size spare ? anyway....out the door for me was 59,699 for the 6 speed man.

[NewVLT]

Tyre pressures?

That's all I could put it down to too, but I wouldn't have thought it would have made such a difference. I didn't check if they were on the same brands of tyre either unfortunately.

I noticed in the Calais/Berlina brochure that the Berlina and Calais have a wider track (front and rear) than the Calais V and thought that might have been a factor. Upon checking the standard Commodore brochure though, the Omega has the same track as the Berlina and Calais, while the Calais V has the same track as the SS and SV models. Maybe this was to allow for more wheel clearance to the sporty models ? Weird.

After taking them for a run up the freeway, then through some of the old twisty bits of road at Eagle On the Hill, I was amazed how small they felt to drive (thats a good thing) and not at all like the barges I was imagining.
I drove the Calais V first and was a little tentative but had gotten a little more confident by the time I drove the SS. They just grip and grip....and grip. Very impressed.


My dealer told me that if you diddnt get your order in by yesterday the list price for these things just went up 2K...sweet got in a few days ago and have been nominated the first 6 speed man black ssv.....anyone here ordered the SSV ? if so what out the door price did you get ? and what extras ?

I paid $250 for full size spare and $400 for metalic Phantom...thought that the SS came with full size spare ? anyway....out the door for me was 59,699 for the 6 speed man.

They didn't mention anything about a 2K increase to me. It would seem strange though as the price lists for the wagon are only a month old or so.

I've left my options open as far as the accessories list goes until it's published for the wagon, at which time they'll give me a call. I did order the 20" wheels, FE2, LSD, full colour Satnav and full size spare (for $250) BUT the salesman stated this was probably a steel wheel and they offered to throw in a 20" spare alloy for the same price (usually $750). I've never seen a 20" steel wheel (?), so when they say full size spare would that have meant a regular 18" Calais V rim if I hadn't specified differently ?

Anyone had any experiences with the Premium Audio package and the Alarm Upgrade package ?


I don't think there will be too many deals for a while, demand is nearly outstripping supply on a lot of new cars, so with all the new car hype and anticipation surrounding the VE wagon release, dealers probably won't have to do much to secure a deal !!!! Best bet if not wanting to pay close to sticker price is to wait for a demo or 08 plate runouts come December......

I got the impression the wagons were going to head the same way as the utes, ie if you were okay with what the dealer had on the lot from the first batch of cars they got then no problem, but if you were chasing something a little different that had to be specially ordered and didn't pre-order you could be in for a rather long wait.

Going on some of the waiting times I've heard about for utes this didn't sound like sales ploy. Funnily enough though I got the impression that my order for the wagon was the first one they'd taken at that particular dealership.

New "Saturday" update just appeared on the Sportwagon site too.
Nothing much new there.

[Nemo]

I've ordered a SSV in red, auto, but on lease pricing so it probably doesn't compare, delivery date was just asap, it's been ordered for a good few weeks.

[BOOGER]

Who are you going to be leasing through and if you don't mind me asking what price did you get it for? My employer goes through Leaseplan with how I currently have my VY SS through. I've been considering pricing an SSV wagon with them.

[v8mumbo]

They are terrible representations of the colour.


I agree the Holden site's representations of the colour are clearly grossly inaccurate.

I sent them some feedback and got a response denying any inaccuracy. The marketing d**dheads don't realise that its this sort of arrogant attitude that puts potential buyers off.

This and my local dealer's same arrogant attitude and service dept incompetence has me seriously considering an FG Falcon instead.

Cheers

[Micks]

Anyone know what the general leadtime is on one of these wagons, with nothing outta the ordinary?

Cheers
VYT

[JAZ72D]

I'll be interested to hear some reviews on the wagons.
They look like a good package, and suit my needs of fitting in the family and all of the gear.
Current ride is a VZ Berlina V8 wagon, so I'm interested in the new wagon for a near future upgrade.

[NRD80Y]

Thanks to Holden Man (What a champ! :bow: ), I can now see what my upgrade from sedan to family wagon will look like :drool: (I haven't stop looking at this picture all arvo :) )

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/choppedit/NRDBOYBlackSSVwgnTigersBothLongStri.jpg

I was thinking of waiting this the VF vaiant was release but this has just made me want to get it NOW! :banana:

[iloveholden]

Thanks to Holden Man (What a champ! :bow: ), I can now see what my upgrade from sedan to family wagon will look like :drool: (I haven't stop looking at this picture all arvo :) )

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/choppedit/NRDBOYBlackSSVwgnTigersBothLongStri.jpg

I was thinking of waiting this the VF vaiant was release but this has just made me want to get it NOW! :banana:

That looks farken awsome, DO IT :lol:

[NewVLT]

I'm not usually a fan of stripes but that is brilliant !
Evoke and gold really work well together.
Gold trim strip where the Calais chrome normally is on the doors tops it off nicely too.

[Micks]

Yeah like a Ford Laser ran straight down the guts of it.

Cheers
VYT

[GRC888]

Have just ordered a SS Sportwagon and been advised that the latest dealer correspondence from Holden Sales states that the Sportwagon release date is now scheduled for sometime in 3rd quarter 2008!

[SUPERH2377]

Have just ordered a SS Sportwagon and been advised that the latest dealer correspondence from Holden Sales states that the Sportwagon release date is now scheduled for sometime in 3rd quarter 2008!

so after june you reckon did you notice on the website that they say production-ready concept vehicle shown with a picture of the voodoo blue ss-v model so what changes are they going to make AFM perhaps since they dont give any engine specs food for thought

[V8SSVWAGON]

Ive been updated with Late July delivery of mine SSV 6spd man.....if not who cares if its a month or two later, there supplying me with a courtesy car until its ready. Best they Iron out all the issues first. Its the misses car anywho...she can wait hahahahaha

[chillicatqld]

I agree the Holden site's representations of the colour are clearly grossly inaccurate.

I sent them some feedback and got a response denying any inaccuracy. The marketing d**dheads don't realise that its this sort of arrogant attitude that puts potential buyers off.

This and my local dealer's same arrogant attitude and service dept incompetence has me seriously considering an FG Falcon instead.

Cheers


have you ever thought that your screen colour is not representing the actual colours properly... not every screen is calibrated the same way!

[NewVLT]

I was told production must begin mid-May otherwise the wagons will miss they're slot in between other export runs.

Holden may be hedging their bets after the long delays experienced with a lot of utes and we'll see some in June sometime.

[GRC888]

Not sure how your dealer can update you with a late July delivery when I have been advised (internal source) that Holden have not production preferenced any wagon orders to date.

Perhaps simply a guess by the dealer to keep you happy.




Ive been updated with Late July delivery of mine SSV 6spd man.....if not who cares if its a month or two later, there supplying me with a courtesy car until its ready. Best they Iron out all the issues first. Its the misses car anywho...she can wait hahahahaha

[v8mumbo]

so after june you reckon did you notice on the website that they say production-ready concept vehicle shown with a picture of the voodoo blue ss-v model so what changes are they going to make AFM perhaps since they dont give any engine specs food for thought

Hopefully they are in the process of engineering slimmer A-pillars.
They are twice as thick as the VT-VZ cars' pillars.

In the process of making the VE "safer" to keep the ANCAP crash testers happy GMH have made the A-pillars so fat they are now a safety hazard because you cant be sure there isn't a pedestrian, cyclist or a car hidden from view. GMH were too tight fisted to use hardened steel to keep the A-pillars a reasonable size.

How ironic.
How unbelievably stupid.

Having spent some time in a VE recently I'd have to say the driver's side forward/side vision is so bad they might as well put a brick wall there.

I love my Gen III V8 but this has really put me off buying a VE.

BTW Holden aren't the only offenders in this regard.

[CSP]

Hopefully they are in the process of engineering slimmer A-pillars.
They are twice as thick as the VT-VZ cars' pillars.

In the process of making the VE "safer" to keep the ANCAP crash testers happy GMH have made the A-pillars so fat they are now a safety hazard because you cant be sure there isn't a pedestrian, cyclist or a car hidden from view. GMH were too tight fisted to use hardened steel to keep the A-pillars a reasonable size.

How ironic.
How unbelievably stupid.

Having spent some time in a VE recently I'd have to say the driver's side forward/side vision is so bad they might as well put a brick wall there.

I love my Gen III V8 but this has really put me off buying a VE.

BTW Holden aren't the only offenders in this regard.



Can't you move your head? There is only blind spots if your head stays completely stationary.

This whole VE a-pillar thing is only an issue if you make it an issue. I went from VX to VE and yes, it took a couple of days to get used to it, but my head moves OK so I had no issues.

[SCiFiRE]

I went form Astra -> VZ -> VE and yeah the Pillars took a while to get used to...but i dont notice them now, and its VERY rare that i have to move my head to see around it, only on faster corners that are just the wrong curve for me to see whats coming.

[teamkiwi]

Has anyone noticed that the Berlina/Calais (V) dont have the chrome window surrounds anymore??? Does anyone know the reason behind this and whether holden will add it back on??? Doesnt quite as nice and classy without them.

[Excellent]

Can't you move your head? There is only blind spots if your head stays completely stationary.

This whole VE a-pillar thing is only an issue if you make it an issue. I went from VX to VE and yes, it took a couple of days to get used to it, but my head moves OK so I had no issues.

I agree. People just don't want to stop at intersections anymore. That's probably the major reason for their concern.

Me, I'd like as much metal around me as possible. Today's cars still have decent frontal visibility even if the A pillars are generally thicker all round.

[blackbettyhsv]

Can't you move your head? There is only blind spots if your head stays completely stationary.

This whole VE a-pillar thing is only an issue if you make it an issue. I went from VX to VE and yes, it took a couple of days to get used to it, but my head moves OK so I had no issues.

I agree with csp I hopped out of a vx clubby to a ve clubby, was noticable but got used to it.
Im in a safe car (if) Im involved in a accident, having airbags & air curtians as standard is good piece of mind, that big a pillar is no issue when it comes to my familys safety

[CSP]

This is the latest a-pillar innovation from Volvo. It's actually stronger than a single bar design and has better visibilty.

Not sure on the looks though... A little bit :spew: for my tastes.

http://www.edmunds.com/media/ownership/safety/volvo_safety_concept/volvo.scc.apillar.500.jpg

[blackbettyhsv]

This is the latest a-pillar innovation from Volvo. It's actually stronger than a single bar design and has better visibilty.

Not sure on the looks though... A little bit :spew: for my tastes.

http://www.edmunds.com/media/ownership/safety/volvo_safety_concept/volvo.scc.apillar.500.jpg

that looks more confusing:rofl:

[NewVLT]

Has anyone noticed that the Berlina/Calais (V) dont have the chrome window surrounds anymore??? Does anyone know the reason behind this and whether holden will add it back on??? Doesnt quite as nice and classy without them.

Have you seen this on sedans ? They still show chrome in the sedan brochure I got last week.

No such joy for the wagons though. The concept wagon had chrome running all the way round and looks bloody good but the Karma Calais V doing the motorshow circuit at the moment and all the wagons in the brochure don't.

I hope it's just a prototype thing and that the production Calais does have it. It looks much better, as you said, and distinguishes the Calais from the rest of the pack.

This is really annoying me now. Goddammit ! For my 72K I want chrome !! :D

[Danv8]

Can't you move your head? There is only blind spots if your head stays completely stationary.

This whole VE a-pillar thing is only an issue if you make it an issue. I went from VX to VE and yes, it took a couple of days to get used to it, but my head moves OK so I had no issues.

Took me less than an hour to get use to it when I test drove a VE SS.

[teamkiwi]

Have you seen this on sedans ? They still show chrome in the sedan brochure I got last week.

No such joy for the wagons though. The concept wagon had chrome running all the way round and looks bloody good but the Karma Calais V doing the motorshow circuit at the moment and all the wagons in the brochure don't.

I hope it's just a prototype thing and that the production Calais does have it. It looks much better, as you said, and distinguishes the Calais from the rest of the pack.

This is really annoying me now. Goddammit ! For my 72K I want chrome !! :D

Yeah sorry,i was implying this to the chrome Wagon rather than the Sedan.

It offsets the car alot better with the chrome highlights, and for 72K you would expect them to have it wouldnt you? How much would it have cost them to ad it on? $100? (If that) Is Holden cost cutting again? By adding uch a small detail turns an attractive looking Classy looking one. I think Holden have missed the boat on this one.

[vicarious]

i have no issue with the a pillar, it also just looks big inside the cabin because of the thick rubber window surround on the doors.

[vy2sv8]

Anyone got the weight specs of the wagon, I hope its not more porky than the sedan.

[NewVLT]

Anyone got the weight specs of the wagon, I hope its not more porky than the sedan.

I've got everything but weights. You'd have to think it'll be a little heavier than the sedan, wagons always have been.

For an Omega -

Exterior
Overall Length - 4897mm
Body Width - 1899mm
Height - 1476mm

Cargo Dimensions
Height - 755mm
Width (Tailgate Pass Thru) - 1121mm
Width (Between Wheel Arches) - 1209mm
Length (Rear Seats Folded Down) - 1980mm
Length (Rear Seats Up) - 1113mm
Volume (Behind Front Seat) - 2000 litres

Looking at it compared to the bargelike VT-VZ wagons it's smaller but to put it into context it's 380mm longer with the rear seat down than my VL Calais wagon. It's only marginally wider though, and 55mm higher. Certainly ain't small by any stretch of the imagination and I think the rising belt line makes the roof look like its sloping more than it actually does.

[SUPERH2377]

I've got everything but weights. You'd have to think it'll be a little heavier than the sedan, wagons always have been.

For an Omega -

Exterior
Overall Length - 4897mm
Body Width - 1899mm
Height - 1476mm

Cargo Dimensions
Height - 755mm
Width (Tailgate Pass Thru) - 1121mm
Width (Between Wheel Arches) - 1209mm
Length (Rear Seats Folded Down) - 1980mm
Length (Rear Seats Up) - 1113mm
Volume (Behind Front Seat) - 2000 litres

Looking at it compared to the bargelike VT-VZ wagons it's smaller but to put it into context it's 380mm longer with the rear seat down than my VL Calais wagon. It's only marginally wider though, and 55mm higher. Certainly ain't small by any stretch of the imagination and I think the rising belt line makes the roof look like its sloping more than it actually does.

the hieght is that taken from the lowest at the rear or highest behind the rear seats

[NewVLT]

Doesn't say, but I'd guess it's taken from above the rear seats when folded down.

[SUPERH2377]

Doesn't say, but I'd guess it's taken from above the rear seats when folded down.

thanks for that and where did you get those specs from

[NewVLT]

The dealer I ordered the car through emailed them to me a couple of weeks ago.

[v8mumbo]

that looks more confusing:rofl:

Not a bad idea at all.
If it was designed & implemented well it would look cool.


Can't you move your head? There is only blind spots if your head stays completely stationary.

This whole VE a-pillar thing is only an issue if you make it an issue. I went from VX to VE and yes, it took a couple of days to get used to it, but my head moves OK so I had no issues.

Its that 0.25 of a second while you are moving your head that kills you, or even worse, some-one else.

[NewVLT]

Just saw the Calais Sportwagon in a couple of the new Holden ads on TV. Only a quick flash but it looked seriously good on the road in that footage !

Oh, and I showed a friend a side-on picture of one today and he thought it was an Audi at first. Gotta be happy with that.

[Excellent]

Just saw the Calais Sportwagon in a couple of the new Holden ads on TV. Only a quick flash but it looked seriously good on the road in that footage !

Oh, and I showed a friend a side-on picture of one today and he thought it was an Audi at first. Gotta be happy with that.

Great. Can't wait to se the ad on TV.

[Dickie Knee]

Yeah sorry,i was implying this to the chrome Wagon rather than the Sedan.

It offsets the car alot better with the chrome highlights, and for 72K you would expect them to have it wouldnt you? How much would it have cost them to ad it on? $100? (If that) Is Holden cost cutting again? By adding uch a small detail turns an attractive looking Classy looking one. I think Holden have missed the boat on this one.

In the older models berlina sedans had chrome but none of the wagons did. In these days of cost cutting I would say that the chrome was dropped from the production models.



Its that 0.25 of a second while you are moving your head that kills you, or even worse, some-one else.

So we should all go back to driving nice safe cars that have smaller A pillars......... like a VB :confused:

The A pillar is like that for the airbag, I think it's a fair trade off.

[Canters]

What's the latest on the start of production for the Sportswagon (and the release date)???

[Holden Man]

They said in Saturdays paper (courier mail) that the existing wagon production had just ceased and the sportwagon was expected to start being produced in a couple of weeks.

[chrism697]

They said in Saturdays paper (courier mail) that the existing wagon production had just ceased and the sportwagon was expected to start being produced in a couple of weeks.
The last VZ (which was a wagon) rolled off the line in september last year,

But your right, the VE wagon will begin volume production in a few weeks

[v8mumbo]

The last VZ (which was a wagon) rolled off the line in september last year,

But your right, the VE wagon will begin volume production in a few weeks

Sad that its taking so long. Its an insult to loyal Aussie wagon customers.
If they want my business again they should a free loan vehicle to those of us who have been waiting for a VE wagon for 2 years now.

I'm seriously considering other Makes now as I've had it with wasting money keeping my old VY V8 going.

Cheers

[CSP]

The A pillar is like that for the airbag, I think it's a fair trade off.

Actually it's not, it's quite simply for better structural safety which has the added advantage of increasing the rigidity. The curtain airbags come down out of the frame above the doors. There is a lot more electricals running up there too though...

[NewVLT]

Sad that its taking so long. Its an insult to loyal Aussie wagon customers.
If they want my business again they should a free loan vehicle to those of us who have been waiting for a VE wagon for 2 years now.

I'm just glad we're actually going to see a VE wagon as it sounded like it was in doubt there at some stage a while back.

The issues I have with it already though are -

1. The rest of the VE range will be almost two years old when it's released.
2. By the time I get the car you can bet there'll be a major facelift just around the corner (Also see Item 1).
3. Bit upset about the current "rationalisation" program at Holden at the moment which will mean my 72K (on road) Calais V wagon misses out on the exterior side window surround chrome (as per the original show car) that every other classy wagon in the field has (BMW, Audi, Subaru). I feel it really needs it to help seperate it from all the other rep-mobiles out thre. Such a small thing but it's really annoying me now. Make it a $100 option if you must and I'll tick the box. :bawl:
4. Other Omega spec mods for MY09 Calais V wagons include Omega rear console open compartment, deletion of light in centre console and deletion of the fold out door pockets.
5. Oh, and only the base Calais 150W sound system is available for both Calais and Calais V wagons. Possibly nowhere to put the extra speakers ?

So, for my $1000 premium over a sedan I'm actually getting less than I would have with a Calais V from a year ago. They'd better get their act together and realease them otherwise I'll end up with a mega-buck Omega. :)

There. Just needed to get that off my chest this morning.
Craig

[Delft Maloo]

I'm just glad we're actually going to see a VE wagon as it sounded like it was in doubt there at some stage a while back.

The issues I have with it already though are -

1. The rest of the VE range will be almost two years old when it's released.
2. By the time I get the car you can bet there'll be a major facelift just around the corner (Also see Item 1).
3. Bit upset about the current "rationalisation" program at Holden at the moment which will mean my 72K (on road) Calais V wagon misses out on the exterior side window surround chrome (as per the original show car) that every other classy wagon in the field has (BMW, Audi, Subaru). I feel it really needs it to help seperate it from all the other rep-mobiles out thre. Such a small thing but it's really annoying me now. Make it a $100 option if you must and I'll tick the box. :bawl:
4. Other Omega spec mods for MY09 Calais V wagons include Omega rear console open compartment, deletion of light in centre console and deletion of the fold out door pockets.
5. Oh, and only the base Calais 150W sound system is available for both Calais and Calais V wagons. Possibly nowhere to put the extra speakers ?

So, for my $1000 premium over a sedan I'm actually getting less than I would have with a Calais V from a year ago. They'd better get their act together and realease them otherwise I'll end up with a mega-buck Omega. :)

There. Just needed to get that off my chest this morning.
Craig

how do you come up with a 72k price and 1 k over a sedan, my dads calais v sedan with a few extras only coat around 62k inc on road.

[NewVLT]

With lots of options ticked, car came to 65K. Delivery, on-roads (rego, stamp duty)and luxury car tax took care of another $6800.

A current bare bones list price for a V8 Calais V sedan with metallic paint is $59690 from Holdens website so I don't think he'd be picking up a current model on the road for 62K, unless he was getting an extraordinary deal on a car the dealer had in stock.

What I was referring to there was the $1000 extra charged on any wagon over the sedan, not specifically what I optioned.

[RABSP]

I am OS at the moment but i ordered my VE Calais Sprotwagon the week after the Melbourne motor show.
I got FE2 & LSD, Full Alloy spare, Tint, Steel Cargo Barrier Extended Warrenty 36Months 100,00Km, and Sunroof, but there is no factory sunroof, it is a hollandia, but thats OK i have one in my current Calais, and the advantage with the hollandia is i get to keep the sunglass holder. They also gave me Mats and Paint, Leather & Vinyl Guard protection. Still waiting for a firm delivery date, they say Early July. same specs generated prices ranging from $65K to $70K, some dealers realised that keeping the cost of the base car below $57,123 saved $2000 in tax.

[V8SSVWAGON]

for $63193 on road i got_SSV 6 speed man in Phantom metalic, full size spare, tint, paint/dent and interior protection, extended warranty, Full colour Sat nav, bonnet and h-light protectors, slim line weather sheilds, rigid cargo barrier to stop the dogs landing on the dash ) ss matts.

Opted out for the sun roof...more delay on an already delayed family car.
Ive also been told early-mid July.

When did you order yours everyone ?

[RABSP]

It Was ordered on the 29th of March.

It is on a Novated lease final price was $59,938.00

it is a Calais-V too, not a Calais as i stated below.

[Nidz]

Mmm.. Can't wait to see this in some customer photos..

[Canters]

Haven't read much lately in this forum on sightings of pre-release sportswagons.

Does that mean that they have finished their testing???

[VESportswagon20]

Haven't read much lately in this forum on sightings of pre-release sportswagons.

Does that mean that they have finished their testing???

No I recently saw a Calais V Sportwagon come out of the Lower Plenty Hotel onto Main Road Lower Plenty Victoria (hopefully not testing the one I have ordered lol.) one night as I was picking up my pizza.

[Black AH CDX]

i saw a truck last week with 3 sportwagons on it.

[SUPERH2377]

i saw a truck last week with 3 sportwagons on it.

maybe for photos for brochers or press release who knows

[BOOGER]

Saw a red wagon with Vic plates on the back of a transported on the Hume Hwy at Campbelltown this morning. HSV ute and a couple of other holdens on it as well.

[lux_06]

ive seen some just driving round town here, with suited up blokes in em. mostly ss's.

[Canters]

Seem to be plenty of sightings, but no photos.......................

[VESportswagon20]

Seem to be plenty of sightings, but no photos.......................

Unfortunately whilst driving alongside them or past them its not very safe to photo one when on my own. I have seen quite a few but so far oly when I have been alone in my car.

[BOOGER]

Seem to be plenty of sightings, but no photos.......................

Just like the Yeti, Loch Ness monster, UFO's.............

[shane W Z]

Just like the Yeti, Loch Ness monster, UFO's.............


Not to mention the occasional supposed sighting of elvis.

[iloveholden]

Not to mention the occasional supposed sighting of elvis.

Dont forget the boggie man :rofl:

[Canters]

Extract from the Faifax Drive section on the web:

"The Commodore Sportwagon was due on sale in March 2008 but has been delayed to development problems. Drive understands the Sportwagon has encountered issues with the revised structure of the wagon body."


Does anyone know about the issues and the likely delay???

[NewVLT]

I've been told production has been delayed another couple of weeks. If no more delays they should start rolling down the line in the first week of June.

The mention of an October release for the standard wagon (non-HSV) in the HSV wagon thread was a dig by HSV at the delays with Holden.

Nice generic statement by Drive there. Nothing serous from what I've heard, just niggles they want to get right first time.

[Canters]

Does anyone know what extras and accessories are available with the Sportwagon - are they the same as the sedan? (I understand that the sunroof is not an option for the Sportwagon).

Do dealers have the list of extras and accessories as the dedicated Sportwagon website has that component (the Sunday in "the week of a sportwagon") as being not yet available.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

[NewVLT]

Nothing with dealers, spare parts people (as of last week) or the Holden website as yet. I want to see what they come up with for cargo barriers, cargo area liners and that sort of thing.

[Carby650]

I'm hoping that we get DOD with the new range. I think I'd get one if we do.

[SUPERH2377]

I'm hoping that we get DOD with the new range. I think I'd get one if we do.

put your money on it it will come out with it on

[V8SSVWAGON]

I highly doubt DOD on the new range...

the savings would be very minimal as your main fuel usage is under excelleration when all 8 cyl are burning. Maybe if you sit at lights all day long it could save a little $ or if you putt around like driving miss daisy, but I dont know anyone who owns a 6lt V8 that poofs around it, do you?

Buy a four if your pour....V8's are for floggin.

[korrupt]

I highly doubt DOD on the new range...
They are already advertising DOD in their new ads. It is coming.

[NewVLT]

Yes, it's coming, but not with the first wagon release.
I'm kind of relieved it won't be on mine after hearing the reports of slight hesitation on the Pontiacs that it is fitted to.

[v8mumbo]

I highly doubt DOD on the new range...

the savings would be very minimal as your main fuel usage is under excelleration when all 8 cyl are burning. Maybe if you sit at lights all day long it could save a little $ or if you putt around like driving miss daisy, but I dont know anyone who owns a 6lt V8 that poofs around it, do you?

Buy a four if your pour....V8's are for floggin.


I drive mine to work each day in heavy city traffic, and I do spend a lot of time off throttle or stuck in traffic. I reckon I'd save a fair bit of fuel with DOD. I just hope they don't calibrate it too aggressively & spoil the instant throttle response.

The best part of having the V8 & the limited slip diff is that when there is a break in the traffic I'm gone!:lol:

[V8SSVWAGON]

I too am glad it wont be on my wagon, i cant stand the thought of half my pistons slacking off and snoozing at the lights...Ive heard of throttle hesitation also, but probably it will all be sorted by the release ( probably )

[CSP]

Read some Pontiac G8 reviews if you want to know how the DoD works. Holden have been making DoD cars and shipping them to the USA for a while now.

[V8SSVWAGON]

Found a few photos on the net....

There are courtesy of LS1 member HATZI

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/peettee79/PhantomSV6.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/peettee79/phantomsv62.jpg

Looks a bit crap with the small wheels, no tint and not lowered...SV6 wheels, no badges ( apart from the lion ) but its got the V8 and ss interior.

looks sweet with no badges.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/peettee79/Wagon.jpg

nice angle.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/peettee79/wagon2.jpg
Sorry if these have been posted already.

[Gee]

Props to Hatzi - he always get the good pics!

The side profile of this thing is better than I would have imagined from the studio shots (all Ive seen up 'til now).

Very, very nice.

[Canters]

Good photos from Hatzi, but these were on this thread in January this year, so things are not progressing very quickly with the VE Sportwagon ......

production was supposed to have started in March, but (as far as I am aware, still has not started...................

I'm getting very frustrated!!!

[CSP]

Looks a bit crap with the small wheels, no tint and not lowered...SV6 wheels, no badges ( apart from the lion ) but its got the V8 and ss interior.

It's an SS. The exhaust tips give it away. Remember the SV6 and SS use the same 18inch wheels.

[xploit]

Any news on the wagon yet guys??

Have not heard a thing from Holden or anywhere to be honest??

Has production started?

Dave

[Swordie]

July is when hits the showroom from the little I know.

[lukey73]

First 1 was due to go down the production line on the first of May with a few more a couple of days after that.

Holden still cant give me a release date for the car even though i have sold 15 already, from what i can find out is that it has been delayed slighty and may not comeout till late July early August.

[Canters]

First 1 was due to go down the production line on the first of May with a few more a couple of days after that.

Holden still cant give me a release date for the car even though i have sold 15 already, from what i can find out is that it has been delayed slighty and may not comeout till late July early August.

Well May has almost finished, so someone should know whether production has started.

[lukey73]

Well May has almost finished, so someone should know whether production has started.

Trying to get that info out of Holden is like trying find Osama Bin Laden !!

[NickS]

My dealer (with whom I have placed an order for an SSV wagon) has said that they aren't expecting any in the showrooms until mid-late July.

:bawl:

[SUPERH2377]

will it be a ve sportweagon or vf sportwagon its been too long now

[wagnman]

Why not just wait till September and snap up a HSv touring wagon with an LS3.

I believe the HSV boys are taking pre orders already.

[SS V8]

Great question ? But to get an answer from anybody let alone Holden seems impossible to get. I traded my VZ SS on Jan 4 for the new SSV wagon in March, now I want the DOD as well and nobody can give me a firm delivery date :vpo:

Lets look at history and what's been happening recently... :)

Holden has updated their models every 2 years, and given the VE was released late 06, and now the wagon launch being pushed back from the March Motor show to July come August to the launch of the 6ltr with DOD supposed to be October it certainly smells of a new model just around the corner. :confused:

With the above pending releases they only need some minor cosmetics like a new front bumper / headlight assembly and tail light shape and lens color like was done to the VX series one to series two, the VY to VZ and the job is done.

The VE was a big change to the VZ whilst Ford's latest FG is the nothing more than an equivalent face lift the BA should have got in 2004 when they released the BF :rolleyes:

I just hope they release a face lift or new model to go with the DOD improvements and wagon.
And don't lets forget the Rodeo / Colorado release was supposed to be June.... but now who knows when that will come given all these delays...
:confused:

[Trek52]

There was just a red one at work with Vic plates, looked awful. Very small in the back much like a 300c wagon.

The lady driving it said in dealers mid next month.

[Bravotwozero]

Saw a black SSV badged wagon in Edithvale on Saturday morning. :)

[The Brock]

According to GM Fleet Brief (online GM Fleet Newsletter); full range of VE Sportwagon will be in showrooms mid July...

Just more heresay and conjecture though really isn't it !!!! :rofl:

[ssvMark]

Why not just wait till September and snap up a HSv touring wagon with an LS3.

I believe the HSV boys are taking pre orders already.

I ordered an SSV Wagon about 5 weeks ago, supposed to start prouction the 1st June i'm told and we are told maybe delivery by the end of the month.

But if there's a HSV due, i'd be trying real hard to change the order and wait..........any more info??

We bought a couple of SSV utes in November, and the Maloo's were released almost simulatiously, i wonder if they'll do it again?

Mmmmmmmm HSV Sportwagon, big brakes, big wheels, big engine yummmm

[CSP]

But if there's a HSV due, i'd be trying real hard to change the order and wait..........any more info??

I've spoken to the local HSV dealer who has told me their will be two wagon models added to the HSV lineup, most likely to be officially released in November.

HSV Tourer - Clubsport spec with same options available.

HSV Estate - Senator spec with same options available.

HSV have also announced a new 6 speed manual gear box which will also be available on the Senator and Estate as an option (WOOHOO!!!) - more info on the new M6: http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/2933076.aspx

Both wagon options will be approx. $1000 more than their sedan siblings...

I personally can't wait for a M6 VE HSV Estate in Red Passion with Light Urban interior!!! :D Mmmmmm... :drool:

[wagnman]

The dealer I spoke to in Brisbane said basically what the above post says except they say they will have their first one in the showroom in September and that not all HSV dealers will get showroom ones to show off. They told me that if I wanted one they could make sure that the one they were ordering (touring wagon) came in the colour and options that I wanted.

i think Ill hang onto my VY wagon for a while yet though as I still have heaps of plans for it so if anyone wants to get in early go talk to the guys at Zupps HSv at Mount Gravatt Brisbane.

[Avalanche]

I've spoken to the local HSV dealer who has told me their will be two wagon models added to the HSV lineup, most likely to be officially released in November.

HSV Tourer - Clubsport spec with same options available.

HSV Estate - Senator spec with same options available.

HSV have also announced a new 6 speed manual gear box which will also be available on the Senator and Estate as an option (WOOHOO!!!) - more info on the new M6: http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/2933076.aspx

Both wagon options will be approx. $1000 more than their sedan siblings...

I personally can't wait for a M6 VE HSV Estate in Red Passion with Light Urban interior!!! :D Mmmmmm... :drool:

cant wait for the senator:bow:

[GMHWGN]

Got a phone call today from our local holden dealer, to book a test drive in the first of two wagons to arrive. The first on the 9th of June a SV6 wagon, the second a calais v ego V6 date yet to be confirmed.

Very interested in the Senator based wagon but still awaiting further details, like the rest!

Cheers GMHWGN

[ssvMark]

[QUOTE=wagnman;1240429]The dealer I spoke to in Brisbane said basically what the above post says except they say they will have their first one in the showroom in September and that not all HSV dealers will get showroom ones to show off. They told me that if I wanted one they could make sure that the one they were ordering (touring wagon) came in the colour and options that I wanted.




My Dealer said the same today. They have a Tourer due in September, said we can change our order from the SSV, and order the colour and options we desire on the HSV. They just have not specified if the Estate will be availale at the same time. Estate A6 Evoke, Urban Leather....... or Tourer Voodoo Black leather only about 8K difference between the two.

Thje hard thing is i love the deal almost as much as getting the new car, I Just can't do Retail, as we only keep cars 2-3 yrs, and it's going to be hard to crunch them when the numbers are so few.

Argh.......Decisions Decisions

[Canters]

will it be a ve sportweagon or vf sportwagon its been too long now

Very good point......or will it be VE Sportwagon series 2?

[Swordie]

I have seen two SS Wagons (white and black) in the last few days. One had two baby seats in the back. Would they be Holden employee cars?

The black seems like if you want to look good be prepared to spend the time washing it.

The VY SS still looks quite good in comparison to the VE.

[wagnman]

I have seen two SS Wagons (white and black) in the last few days. One had two baby seats in the back. Would they be Holden employee cars?

The black seems like if you want to look good be prepared to spend the time washing it.

The VY SS still looks quite good in comparison to the VE.

totally agree with the Vy ss wagon coment mate.

i think my wagon has spoilt me for newer models as they just seem soooo soft by comparison.

[Canters]

Got a phone call today from our local holden dealer, to book a test drive in the first of two wagons to arrive. The first on the 9th of June a SV6 wagon, the second a calais v ego V6 date yet to be confirmed.

Very interested in the Senator based wagon but still awaiting further details, like the rest!

Cheers GMHWGN

9 June for test driving a SV6 wagon is only a week away!! Seems hard to understand when (as far as I know) production still has not started!!

Or is it a case of the dealer just telling you what you want to hear???

[chrism697]

9 June for test driving a SV6 wagon is only a week away!! Seems hard to understand when (as far as I know) production still has not started!!

Or is it a case of the dealer just telling you what you want to hear???
they have built cars off the production line, but full volume production has not started, these cars have been used to test the production line and processes etc, and most likely will not end up going to a customer, but holden let dealers use them to get pre orders etc, holden will eventually take them back and use them for more testing etc

at least thats my understanding of it, and im happy to be corrected

[NewVLT]

they have built cars off the production line, but full volume production has not started, these cars have been used to test the production line and processes etc, and most likely will not end up going to a customer, but holden let dealers use them to get pre orders etc, holden will eventually take them back and use them for more testing etc

at least thats my understanding of it, and im happy to be corrected

That's what I've been told too Chris. About 10-15 wagons a day for the last week or so have been going down the line and they're just waiting on the bulk parts for the full ramp up. They've all been through extra inspections and are "saleable" cars but as you said the first batch will be going to each dealer to generate orders.

[Benboy]

The new VE wagon has been 'released' at least photos of it have. As for a 'full size' that's it - the sports wagon.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm167/scoobeybenbookey/CommodoreSportsWagon.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm167/scoobeybenbookey/CommodoreSportsWagon_2.jpg

[Black AH CDX]

Are you right in the head?

[CLUBRED]

Lol.......

[NewVLT]

Accessories list now up on here -
http://www.vecommodoresportwagon.com.au/

[RABSP]

Yes Holden have added the final page, ( Accessories ), to the Sportwagon micro site.

There is no more marketing to be done now, they just need to start building and delivering the cars.

[ash3]

Hey guys,

I just ordered a SV6 VE Sportswagon in Phantom Metallic on Monday. (I know, its only a 6, but I'm coming from a Magna so anything is an improvement!)
They were telling me that they have started production on the omega this week to for fill fleet orders and will start making the other classes around mid month.
I got told it will be around a 4 week wait, but after reading this thread, I'm starting to doubt that!

Really looking forward to getting the new ride!

[Fnomna]

It will be interesting to see how many fleet orders Holden get for the wagon. A lot of people were saying that the load space/shape would be too small and they'd just keep getting the Falcon wagon.
Families should still like the wagon, a V6 LPG could still make sense for many. There is a factory LPG V6 isn't there?

[Holden Man]

It will be interesting to see how many fleet orders Holden get for the wagon. A lot of people were saying that the load space/shape would be too small and they'd just keep getting the Falcon wagon.
Families should still like the wagon, a V6 LPG could still make sense for many. There is a factory LPG V6 isn't there?

A mate of mine who works for the Gold Coast City Council says they have already ordered Sportswagons (Berlinas)- now they are just waiting for them. (hurry up and build them Holden!)

He is an architect and says most of his fellow workers want the sportwagon, some have chosen the Passat wagon though. He was alarmed that Ford was planning on just sticking the facelift front on the current wagon but said he would have looked at the Mondeo wagon if it was available.

[IgottaLS1]

It will be interesting to see how many fleet orders Holden get for the wagon. A lot of people were saying that the load space/shape would be too small and they'd just keep getting the Falcon wagon.
Families should still like the wagon, a V6 LPG could still make sense for many. There is a factory LPG V6 isn't there?

We use VE's in our work fleet. All our sedans have factory LPG, but our fleet manager got a notice saying factory LPG and factory sunroof is not available on the VE Wagon.

[ash3]

We use VE's in our work fleet. All our sedans have factory LPG, but our fleet manager got a notice saying factory LPG and factory sunroof is not available on the VE Wagon.


Yeah I got told both those problems too. My boss (mines a company car) did not seem to phased about no LPG, and as much as I enjoy a sun roof, its really the only downfall of the car which has it over any other wagon in its class in every other area.

[teamkiwi]

9 June for test driving a SV6 wagon is only a week away!! Seems hard to understand when (as far as I know) production still has not started!!

Or is it a case of the dealer just telling you what you want to hear???

So how did the test drive go? Any Pics? Any new Info?

[Canters]

Got a phone call today from our local holden dealer, to book a test drive in the first of two wagons to arrive. The first on the 9th of June a SV6 wagon, the second a calais v ego V6 date yet to be confirmed.


Cheers GMHWGN

GMHWGN,

Do you know whether the SV6 wagon arrived at your local dealer today (9/6)??

Love to know when you take it for a test drive.

[RABSP]

I would be interested to know if it arrived yet too.
I ordered my Calais-v back on March 16, and was told early July.

But I got a call this morning from the leasing company telling me August/September.
I am thinking of trying to change my order to a sedan.

Has anyone taken delivery, or even driven one yet?
:soap:

[WW-VFSSVR]

Got conformation that delivery for my ordered SV6 Wagon will be October 1...Only problem with this is that I cannot recieve it until my current lease ends 27/10.

By the way things are going maybe I may have it by Christmas:xmas:

[RABSP]

A Friend from SA called me tonight to tell me that the VE Sportwagon had joined the line and was now in full production, so I guess they should start arriving at dealers for test drives in the next few weeks.

As one sales rep put it, the loyal customers will have to wait till all the dealers have cars to show.

I would have thought as a loyal customer willing to part with over $65K that we would come first, but I guess I was wrong :)

[NewVLT]

Sounds like we're in the same boat RABSP.

Makes sense the dealers would get their demonstrator cars first though. It's what they need to generate some flagging interest in the VE range.

The first wagons they get are all initial production cars that have been dribbling down the line over the last couple of weeks. They're also used to test the flow of things down the line to make sure the wagon doesn't slow things up amongst the sedan and ute builds. They are saleable cars, not prototypes, and if anything have had more inspections carried out on them than regular production cars.

Think I'd rather wait for a regular production build though.

[Canters]

I would be interested to know if it arrived yet too.
I ordered my Calais-v back on March 16, and was told early July.

But I got a call this morning from the leasing company telling me August/September.
I am thinking of trying to change my order to a sedan.

Has anyone taken delivery, or even driven one yet?
:soap:

I have ordered Berlina VE Sportwagon the last few days and I have told delivery in early August....and that is through a fleet purchase.

This is all a bit different from RASP's comment....could I being told porkies???

[RABSP]

I have ordered Berlina VE Sportwagon the last few days and I have told delivery in early August....and that is through a fleet purchase.

This is all a bit different from RASP's comment....could I being told porkies???

Could be the Dealer already has a Berlina on order that matches what you want. That was the case with my last Calais, the dealer had one on the line all they did was change the colour and 3 weeks later i had the car. Otherwise i would have had to wait 8-9 weeks.

[V8SSVWAGON]

I picked up my courtesy vehicle yesterday to tie me through until my SSV arrives, already been waiting 9 weeks, i bet they wish it comes soon. The dealers didnt hav any idea when they would start flowing in....if they dont know who will? I dont think that they need demo vehicles for a while to sell these wagons, they already hav tons of orders generated from the motor shows and hype.

[bee444]

was talking to the dealer down here in tassie, (going to order an ssv tomorrow) he was saying that one omega has been delivered down here but reckoned that i will have my wag by the end of aug. cant see it myself. but he did say that they have only had 38 private orders state wide(all models)

[NewVLT]

Sounds right to me. I think you'd be surprised just how many people don't know there's a wagon coming, which is why they need it in the showrooms. Biggest advertisement is when you see them on the road, which I still haven't yet.

If you think about it there's been no advertising so far, apart from the odd glimpse in one of the new Holden commercials and a strange news spot in Adelaide a while back when a few were lined up on Holdens front lawn. You'd have to be a real enthusiast to know what's going on (ie gone to the motor show, buy car mags or visit this site or other car related sites).

Friends I've shown the side-on pics of my "new car" to thought it was an Audi.

[wally01]

Talking to one of the engineers that i know at Holden they were ramping up this week there was production on the line on Thursday i was told they should be in the showroom by the end of the month ..

I shall ask more when i see him during the week.

[GMHWGN]

TeamKiwi and Canters,

Arrived back from State of Origin 11th June. Straight on the phone to Holden regading my test drive and low and behold the wagon had not arrived!!!!:vpo::vpo::vpo:

The *@#$ing dealer now tells me arrival date will be 9th JULY!!!! Not impressed, really wanted to post some pics and more info.

Neighbours son is the head of maintenance at local dealership, so will keep you all posted if any news breaks, but l doubt it!


Still Waiting!!!!

Regards GMHWGN

[ash3]

Could be the Dealer already has a Berlina on order that matches what you want. That was the case with my last Calais, the dealer had one on the line all they did was change the colour and 3 weeks later i had the car. Otherwise i would have had to wait 8-9 weeks.

Thats what I was told, my car was already on order from Penfolds Holden in Richmond, the color I chose and the spec I wanted matched what they had on order which apparently has saved me abit of time.

I have not herd anything from them for a couple of weeks, so still looking at end June early July, which does not match up at all with all the info everyone else is getting. I'm thinking realistically of around August, just lucky my old car has been sold within the company and the new owner is happy to wait till I get the wagon before we transfer, otherwise I'd be car less!

[Canters]

I have ordered Berlina VE Sportwagon the last few days and I have told delivery in early August....and that is through a fleet purchase.

This is all a bit different from RASP's comment....could I being told porkies???

I have now been told that delivery won't be until September......BUGGAR!!!!!!!!

[V8SSVWAGON]

I have now been told that delivery won't be until September......BUGGAR!!!!!!!!

Well if only ordered a few days ago then Sept is ecceptable ( within reason ), theres probably thousands of other orders to forefill that got in early. I ordered in early march so you have the same wait. Might be a good bet to cancel and wait for the updated wagon, HSV maybe even :)

[NewVLT]

New Holden ad on TV last night. Similar to all the usual 60th anniversary ads but with more scenes of the Karma Calais wagon in at least three different locations. Something like "We even have a new wagon on the way that doesn't look or drive like a normal wagon"

Still no customer cars down the line as of yesterday but they're up to 20-30 a day now for local and NZ dealers.

[NickS]

I have been told that a July delivery is a possibility ... here's hoping.

[ssvMark]

Ordered an SSV Wagon in Vodoo 10 weeks ago, and recieved a delivery date on Friday. They say i can expect the car on the 17th July, but i'm thinking of the HSV upgrade now which i can have in sptember. I'll post pics when whichever arrives.

[fluxus]

i would think that it will be august or september before anyone will see their sport wagon order all of the first built wagons will go to filling fleet and hire car orders. Retail customers are getting put to the back..

[Carby650]

not sure if this has been mentioned as yet but spoke to my local dealer last week when the Astra was being serviced. We are definately getting the 225kw v6 soon and DOD is definately coming on the V8 before the years end

[Highway]

On the computer I saw the other day Holden is building cars (ordered by the dealers) around the middle of July for shipment at the end of the month.

Hope it happens.


i would think that it will be august or september before anyone will see their sport wagon order all of the first built wagons will go to filling fleet and hire car orders. Retail customers are getting put to the back..

There is still available cars going to dealers which can be ordered now which will come out in the first batch of cars made.

It all depends what model,colour etc that you want.

[V8SSVWAGON]

Do fleet orders getting priority even if ordered later than dealer orders ?, surely Holden want to get as many different models out the door and on the road as soon as possible.

[SUPERH2377]

it has beeb conformed that production started last week in elizabeth asn article about keane who was the production bosswho has hung up his boots

[ash3]

it has beeb conformed that production started last week in elizabeth asn article about keane who was the production bosswho has hung up his boots

If production started last week then the delivery date I was told of early July makes sense (My car was already on order from the dealer before I put my order in, I just happened to choose a color and spec of car which they had on pre order)

Fingers crossed, I'm hanging for it!

[NewVLT]

Just got a build date from the dealer today of July 7 for mine so I should see it a little while after that.

Can't quite believe it's actually happening. :)

[NickS]

Just got a build date from the dealer today of July 7 for mine so I should see it a little while after that.

Can't quite believe it's actually happening. :)

Very jealous ... I haven't got a date yet, I'm REALLY hoping for July.

Make sure you take your camera when you pick it up, we want pics same day !!!

:cheers:

[ash3]

I just got of the phone from the dealer, they have told me late July or early August for delivery :(

[NewVLT]

Very jealous ... I haven't got a date yet, I'm REALLY hoping for July.

Make sure you take your camera when you pick it up, we want pics same day !!!

:cheers:

Don't worry, there'll be plenty of pics on the day.
Best to get them before I start driving it as you probably won't be able to get me out of it for the first week at least. :)

[ganaZ]

apparently its to be released in July (pushed back from June), including 7 variants: 'The wagon range will basically mirror the VE sedan line-up. It will be available in Omega, Berlina and Calais models, as well as SV6, SS, SS-V and Calais-V guises. The Calais-V will be available with both V6 and V8 engines.' from drive.com.au but i cant post links

[shane W Z]

for those who think they are having delays i have found this

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTNU4Mp5vo)