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old holden V8

10-01-2007, 11:50 AM

G'day.

Is there any spy pics etc of the new wagon - I assume it will come with the utility version? Surely there must be mules running about??

It will be interesting what happens to the rear quarter/tail area, as it (to me) dates back to VN...

I noticed the VE colors on the Holden website for VZ wagon build. Also V8's are off the menu - that option does not exist on the Berlina wagons at the moment. Also manual exec's are not available by the look of the website..

Will they make the wagons in V6 guise only (and auto) - given there low sales? (Like Ford did with the Falcon Wagon - 6cyl only)

Curious..

Thanks

Laurie

:-)

jas_the_ace

10-01-2007, 12:55 PM

The last spy pic i saw from Holden was in a Wheels or Motor mag.

But it was of a commodore, but it had the original commodore front, but the statesman rear.

Anyone remember it?

theVman

10-01-2007, 01:12 PM

are you reffering to the pontaic g8? different thread?

I cant wait to see the new wagon but hope they keep the v8 in the new VE line up. Didnt even stop to notice that the falcon wagons are 6 only?? There you go!!

geary

10-01-2007, 06:37 PM

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-hsvgtswagon.htm

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-vesswagon.htm

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-veomegawagon.htm

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-vecalaisvwagon.htm

planetdavo

10-01-2007, 06:43 PM

Hmmm, more "photoshop" guesswork.
The rear door area/roofline looks rather wrong....

spanks

10-01-2007, 07:18 PM

Hmmm, more "photoshop" guesswork.
The rear door area/roofline looks rather wrong....

Yes...very much so

dnic63

14-01-2007, 11:30 AM

And please, a full sized wagon. I'm notionally saving up for a VE Calais V8 wagon with 7 seats to replace the VT2 Berlina V6 7-seater.

Beats an Odyssy hands down

D

old holden V8

14-01-2007, 07:37 PM

And please, a full sized wagon. I'm notionally saving up for a VE Calais V8 wagon with 7 seats to replace the VT2 Berlina V6 7-seater.

Beats an Odyssy hands down

D

I reckon there would be an extremely slim chance a Calais Wagon is produced. And I don't hold much hope for a full size wagon either......:errr:

VZSS_Freak

14-01-2007, 10:02 PM

So fellas, is there any ball park word yet when its gonna be released?, my wagon's lease is due in september, and really wanna get myself into a VE Wagon, finger crossed

Cheers

Jac001

14-01-2007, 10:09 PM

So fellas, is there any ball park word yet when its gonna be released?, my wagon's lease is due in september, and really wanna get myself into a VE Wagon, finger crossed

Cheers

you should be ok, or very close at least ;)

VYSV8

15-01-2007, 09:47 AM

I got told the other day by someone who knows, that I would be "surprised" and that the new wagon would be "different" to the old!! So there's gota be some test mules around somewhere by now - we just need the pics!

DM.

zorro

15-01-2007, 11:45 AM

so does this mean the VE wagon would share similar lines to the old VT-VZ? Wouldn't look right, the roof would be all wrong. much the same as the feral rear end of falcons that havent changed much since EAs.

can't follow up on the best looking aussie wagon, I doubt it.

HSV need something else to play with, another senator wagon??

RICHO

15-01-2007, 11:50 AM

Swordie

15-01-2007, 01:54 PM

I don't think the Territory impacted the Falcon wagon sales. Given that I predict Commodore wagon sales near the same rate into the future.

old holden V8

15-01-2007, 01:56 PM

I thought that the Commodore wagon replacement had already arrived...

Hello Captiva.....

There have been quite a few "reports" in the media (will try to track some down) where references were made to "business cases" stacking up etc etc.

And when you consider volume / other constraints. Namely, increasing export volumes, Commodore volumes around the 4500-6000 range (low end atm) is there a business case that stacks up for a wagon with a 4 to 5k annual volume? Especially when Captiva can fill the gap very nicely for quite a few users....

I agree to a point. Yes the wagons are low volume, but fleets love them - sales reps, semi-trade/technical users (ie a heap of gear not really suited to a ute with a canopy..), Police/Fire/Ambulance, and finally the big second hand market of mums and dads that snap them up to cart the juniors to school/beach/football, etc.

Not all of us need/want/desire a Territory/SUV/4wd gas guzzler. I like my 8.something litres per hundred on freeway cruise wagon, that I can still pull a reasonable van/trailer/boat & cart kids & dog.

Are you listening Fisherman's Bend?

Don't do to the Wagon what you did to the Utility in 1984....and regretted it....remember??

:-)

Laurie.

deadlywpn_VeSSV

15-01-2007, 02:19 PM

Dont look too bad,

Many ppl like the wagon cause of the height advantage of the boot space :)

VYSV8

15-01-2007, 03:17 PM

There's a lot of Commodore wagons out there in fleet land, everyone from Coke to Honeywell to government departments love Commodore wagons. Sales reps from just about any industry, techs from photo copiers to coffe machines to HV electrical. I'm sure the marketing dept at Fishermans Bend is very aware of where most of the new wagon sales go and the VE wagon wont upset that apple cart.
All the media talk is about a "sports wagon" so I guess that means something the size of an Audi A6 Avant (which is not a small car)!

zorro

15-01-2007, 03:24 PM

most reps I have talked to prefer the commodore wagon over the ford, especially the BA-BF E-gas.

Saying that our BA falcon sedan fleet cars have got up there in the K's now and are starting to whine like a taxi, knock from the steering rack when full lock.

holden has always had the better wagon and with the irs made the wagon even better, fords BA-BF wagons look not alot different to the old XF and now the fron ends look like a 97 camry.

If holden brought out something to take on the audi sportswagons my left nut would be on ebay.

VYBerlinaV8

15-01-2007, 03:38 PM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's only one or two wagon models made, to simply and hopefully reduce cost. My next car is likely to be a wagon, either a second hand commodore or new (but smaller) Japanese/Korean. With a young family I'm finding it hard to keep my Berlina in the condition I expect it to be in, and it's a few years old now anyway.

xploit

15-01-2007, 04:18 PM

:worthless: .. real ones...

NewVLT

16-01-2007, 11:15 AM

Sorry, no photo's to post but I'm hoping there's something a little more imaginative in the works than the bog stock six cylinder fleet/family wagons, namely some form of HSV (especially as the Avalanche is now gone), SS or Calais wagons (my last one will be 20 years old by the time the wagons come online so it's time to upgrade).

Looked into a VZ wagon just as the VE was being released but with the quantum leap of the VE I'd just have been throwing money away and decided to wait. I'm not even sure Holden will option up a VZ V8 wagon for you these days.

dnic63

18-01-2007, 07:16 PM

I investigated upgrading from my VTII Berlina wagon to I think a year old VYII 5.7 some time ago. Was unimpressed with the performance, so decided to stick with the old dear and run it for a few more years. Have put third row of seats in - always carrying extra kids around on top of my 3.

4WDs don't do it for me - Captiva too small, none of them have the carrying capacity of the C'dore wagon, nor the great driving feel, esp on the freeway.

A "sportswagon", esp on the sedan wheel base, would be as pointless as the 300c wagon (which I kinda like but wouldn't buy).

D

VZSS_Freak

18-01-2007, 07:45 PM

HI fellas

From a sales rep point of view, alas me!, i have the option of either a falcon or commodore wagon, alas, its hands down to the commodore, better bulid quailty, interior, and most importantly comfortable seats!

The advantage of having the IRS in the wagon benfits the rear of the car as we carrying heaos of point of sale(aka advertising stuff) and i u ever see the falcon wagons that are pack full of stuff ( telstra wagons) they look like there about to take off into outer space, wiht the angle they sit on.

Plus holden offer the cheaper discount to feelts as well, alas for most companies they win hands down

For holden to cancel the wagon would be a major mistake, and business error, as the fleet companies love then, and then the 2nd hand buyer gets them at a reasonable price.

I am still hoping that the VE Wagon comes out before september, when my lease is up on my current one!

Cheers Fellas

Swordie

19-01-2007, 12:27 PM

This a wagon (M5) http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/12/m5-wagon-wont-come-stateside/

Holden Man

19-01-2007, 12:31 PM

This a wagon (M5) http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/12/m5-wagon-wont-come-stateside/

Yes agree totally :drool:

RICHO

19-01-2007, 12:33 PM

HI fellas

Plus holden offer the cheaper discount to feelts as well, alas for most companies they win hands down

For holden to cancel the wagon would be a major mistake, and business error, as the fleet companies love then, and then the 2nd hand buyer gets

Cheers Fellas

Given that Holden can only build a fixed number of cars per year and with export deals increasing, Holden will end up with a choice.

To build a car sold mainly to fleets that they make bugger all profit on (despite the popularity of wagons with fleets). Zero volume or a couple of thousand at no profit still equals zero profit.

If there's more profit in other model lines (which wouldn't be hard) and a strategy of deliberately pursuing export deals (which require capacity) ensures Holden's long term viability as a manufacturer. Holden would be silly to produce a wagon despite fleet demand...

I doubt Holdens decision will be a do everything decision, they'll be choosing among various options...I doubt they'll run with the lowest profit opportunity...

old holden V8

19-01-2007, 01:02 PM

Given that Holden can only build a fixed number of cars per year and with export deals increasing, Holden will end up with a choice.

To build a car sold mainly to fleets that they make bugger all profit on (despite the popularity of wagons with fleets). Zero volume or a couple of thousand at no profit still equals zero profit.

If there's more profit in other model lines (which wouldn't be hard) and a strategy of deliberately pursuing export deals (which require capacity) ensures Holden's long term viability as a manufacturer. Holden would be silly to produce a wagon despite fleet demand...

I doubt Holdens decision will be a do everything decision, they'll be choosing among various options...I doubt they'll run with the lowest profit opportunity...

So if that's correct Richo - that'll mean the end of the Holden Station Wagon as we know it? Following on, I guess that'll mean that holden may/will pursue a new "market" for the new 5 door + tailgate model, like perhaps Dual Income No Kids, and 2.3 dogs?? Bugger the fleets and mum's & dad's??

Kinda like those photo-chops someone posted before?

I, for one, hope Holden don't do it that way...but it could transform the marketplace in that category - like Territory has done for Ford...

My 2c..

:-)

Laurie.

Dug

19-01-2007, 01:27 PM

GoAuto reported this week that the Ute is still due for release in December this year, with the wagon to follow around 12 months time from now.

Mind you, that was tacked on the end of a story about the Vectra replacement.

tim_k

19-01-2007, 06:52 PM

It will be interesting to see what comes out. I like the idea of a "sports wagon" (To replace my Subaru - the leather seats are crippling on a long trip). Something of a similar style to the Audi or BMW would be sensational - providing that a manual/clutch transmission is made available. The auto only feature wrote off any interest in my getting an Adventra.

I've also heard rumours of a 5 door hatch like the green prototype that came out a few years ago. I'd investigate one of those as well.

Lethal27

19-01-2007, 07:15 PM

From a reliable source - The ute will be out around September 07' and the wagon called the sportswagon will be released mid 2008. Have seen a ute and a wagon. Completely different ass end and beats the Captiva hands down

Fnomna

19-01-2007, 07:35 PM

So how many months before release did we first see VE camo sedans on the road? I'm guessing the Ute won't require as much camo road testing as the sedan though.

Completely different ass end

Compared to the sedan or previous wagons? Different side profile?

BadMac

19-01-2007, 07:38 PM

Last year when we had the big VE thread running (where did that go, I thought is was taken down to be broken up then returned) we were told the wagon looked very similar to this by somebody very close to the program. Just replace some of the elements with VE ones (lights, door handles, wheels, flares, taillights, etc).

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/sportcombi2.jpg

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/SportCombi.jpg

VE Calais v 60l

19-01-2007, 07:46 PM

G'day.

Will they make the wagons in V6 guise only (and auto) - given there low sales? (Like Ford did with the Falcon Wagon - 6cyl only)

Curious..

Thanks

Laurie

:-)

Laurie, not even Ford was silly enough to have V8's in a Falcon wagon. Not to sure about BF but like the ute they have cart springs at the rear.:werd:

`redoctober

19-01-2007, 08:22 PM

Calais V + Saab 9-3 + BMW M5 Touring =
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/vewagon2.jpg

Wagon!

I'm not completely satisfied with it yet, I need to do more work, then try out some SSV, Omega and Berlina variants.

holdennutta

19-01-2007, 08:58 PM

^^

Hell yes?!

`redoctober

19-01-2007, 09:27 PM

What's this? An SSV Wagon?
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/sswagon.jpg

V6Sucka

19-01-2007, 10:29 PM

^indeed yes. get rid of the darn aerial though, internal aerial should be the go.

Rob, could you do that in a couple of other colours, please.

Chris

`redoctober

19-01-2007, 10:35 PM

^indeed yes. get rid of the darn aerial though, internal aerial should be the go.

Rob, could you do that in a couple of other colours, please.

Chris
Kinda hard to change silver to different colours, but I'll give it a shot mate.

Swordie

19-01-2007, 10:40 PM

Redoctober's pictures do look nice.

Sounds like load carrying capacity will be lost from the back in the VE. Shame if this happens.

Rick76

19-01-2007, 11:12 PM

Here is the one I did back in July.....
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/OzRick76/VE_SS_V_Wag_06.jpg

`redoctober

19-01-2007, 11:29 PM

I'll do the colours tomorrow, gotta get some shuteye soon :)

V6Sucka

19-01-2007, 11:35 PM

No rush, Rob, it'll be 20 years b4 i can afford 1 anyway.

Thanks, Rick.

Chris

Marco

20-01-2007, 07:35 AM

I'm not completely satisfied with it yet, I need to do more work, then try out some SSV, Omega and Berlina variants.

Can I make a suggestion? Try angling the C pillar a little more (ie, not vertical like it is at the moment), and make the window line where the glass meets the D pillar angular rather than curved. IMHO, anyway :)

VPIIV8

21-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Red October...

Your version of the wagon looks pretty cool indeed...
Instead of the lights going up the body work to the roof line...I think it would look great if it had similar lights like the red wagon at the start of this thread...

I like the rear quarter angle of the red one ,Looks like a BMW X5 which is very cool...

the rest of the angles look naff and more like a big hatch back than a wagon...

I would personally like to see the rear end from the red car merged onto the silver car...I think that would definitely be a car I would like to buy...

KeenGolfer

21-01-2007, 05:36 PM

Here is the one I did back in July.....
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/OzRick76/VE_SS_V_Wag_06.jpg

Nice job :)

`redoctober

21-01-2007, 06:35 PM

I tried to change the colours, I like to think I failed, haha:

http://jusworldwide.com/cars/redsswagon.jpg
http://jusworldwide.com/cars/ignitionsswagon.jpg
http://jusworldwide.com/cars/bluesswagon.jpg
http://jusworldwide.com/cars/whitesswagon.jpg
http://jusworldwide.com/cars/blacksswagon.jpg
http://jusworldwide.com/cars/turismosswagon.jpg

Swordie

21-01-2007, 06:49 PM

Nice pictures Redoctober, the wagon looks better than the sedan.

banyo

22-01-2007, 07:16 PM

If it looks as good as this in the flesh, Holden will definitely have a winner.

Mr Moosh

22-01-2007, 07:23 PM

Dude! They are freakin' awesome! Well done mate.

If Holden were to release something that hot I'd be buying one in a flash as soon as I turn 21... permitting there was a V8 model... there has to be a V8 or whats the point of a sports wagon.

`redoctober

22-01-2007, 07:26 PM

You hear that Holden? Copy my photochop! :D

I'd personally have a Black SSV Wagon if they looked like my chops *drool*

korrupt

22-01-2007, 08:48 PM

Any chance you could re-size those pics a bit smaller? The black one looks pretty good though...

`redoctober

22-01-2007, 09:15 PM

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/blacksswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/bluesswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/ignitionsswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/turismosswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/redsswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/whitesswagon2.jpg

Resized SSV Wagon Pics.

geary

23-01-2007, 09:17 AM

Red, some great chops there mate. We oughta collaborate for a GTS-R or something down the track.

Avalanche

23-01-2007, 09:25 AM

those wagon chops look great. cant wait too see what is in store wagon wise for hsv. the wife & i were only commenting on our avalanche about how we said we would sell before 100k. But we decided not to as there is nothing out there that can do what this car does. and does it easy. so until another one comes out we are hanging onto this one. 3 years & 100k will be ticking by in august.:thumbsup: :driving:

VZGEN4

23-01-2007, 05:06 PM

Great job there redoctober! I love the look of the VY SS wagon with the roofies on... any chance of whackin some on?

Keep it up... lookin trick

`redoctober

23-01-2007, 05:15 PM

Red, some great chops there mate. We oughta collaborate for a GTS-R or something down the track.
GTS-R and maybe something wilder.. A Signature-R? :nyuk:

I added you on MSN a while ago, haven't seen you online though.

VYSSWagon

23-01-2007, 05:16 PM

I just hope the chassis is a bit stiffer. Do a bit of a tune-up and the old girl creaks and groans in protest... Sometimes feels like the windscreen is about to pop out!

Not to mention the draft coming in between the doors and the sills...

V6Sucka

24-01-2007, 08:06 AM

Thanks Rob, top work mate.

Chris
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mkaresh

25-01-2007, 02:59 PM

And please, a full sized wagon. I'm notionally saving up for a VE Calais V8 wagon with 7 seats to replace the VT2 Berlina V6 7-seater.

Beats an Odyssy hands down

D

I'm in the U.S., and would love to see such a beast. But even if Australia happened to get one, we would not.

GETUTED

25-01-2007, 03:06 PM

GTS-R and maybe something wilder.. A Signature-R? :nyuk:

I added you on MSN a while ago, haven't seen you online though.

how about an adventra awd VE wagon?? :deal: :wave:

VYSV8

30-01-2007, 11:31 AM

As they say in another forum I read:

Pics or it didn't happen!!

BadMac

30-01-2007, 11:45 AM

Red, some great chops there mate. We oughta collaborate for a GTS-R or something down the track.

Hey Geary,

I heard you have seen Orion and have a chop about to be published. Any chance of posting it up?

VZSS_Freak

02-02-2007, 01:59 PM

geary

02-02-2007, 02:56 PM

Hey Geary,

I heard you have seen Orion and have a chop about to be published. Any chance of posting it up?

I will, but down the track. You'll probably see it on the Drive website well before I post it. And I know how much you fellas like Drive. :love:

GMH-TWR

02-02-2007, 04:38 PM

Hey there fellas,

Was speaking to a service guy at holden this morning, (ok, Ok, dont take this as gospel) Was asking about the release of the Wagon, as my lease is due in Octoner. He was saying the wagon and ute, are both due out september to co-inside with the VE2 Launch!!!!!

Cheers

VZSS

Hahaha, the service guy is just talking crap...

Ute will def be around by September 2007, Wagon won't be released until late 2008

budabing

03-02-2007, 09:54 PM

Trust Me There Will Be A New Ve Wagon And I Can Confirm Its Completely New And Its Unbelieveable! Makes Wagons Of Today Look Ancient! Watch This Space!

Chiows

03-02-2007, 11:06 PM

Seems like it's going to be ages before they come out....

Has there been actual confirmation from Holden that it will be released? And is there a V8 option?

VZSS_Freak

03-02-2007, 11:25 PM

Seems like it's going to be ages before they come out....

Has there been actual confirmation from Holden that it will be released? And is there a V8 option?

There has been nothing official from holden, for some reason or another there keeping very tight lipped about the whole wagon/ute situation. Hopefully the service guy i was talking to yesterday was not full of S*&t, and september for both will eventuate

Cheers VZSS

Holden Man

05-02-2007, 11:33 AM

I know it won't look like this but I have crossed a VE with a Mazda6 wagon.
( I reckon the Mazda6 has a similar shape to the VE)

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/8855/2001719102936981424_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001719102936981424)

mac06

05-02-2007, 11:46 AM

Hahaha, the service guy is just talking crap...

Ute will def be around by September 2007, Wagon won't be released until late 2008

From what I hear the service guy is on the money. Both will be released at the same time around September this year.;)

chrism697

05-02-2007, 12:01 PM

Just remember service guys dont get any more infomation than the general public,

Avalanche

05-02-2007, 12:05 PM

bring it onn!:driving:

VQST80

05-02-2007, 12:46 PM

Just remember service guys dont get any more infomation than the general public,

They do if they ask/look for it.

ace078

05-02-2007, 02:32 PM

Just remember service guys dont get any more infomation than the general public,

Sales guys do tho, my DP has seen these vehicles late last year and he was told that September would be the release for both.:thumbsup:

chrism697

05-02-2007, 02:40 PM

dont count on it, we will see

geary

05-02-2007, 03:27 PM

`redoctober

05-02-2007, 03:38 PM

Brilliant! :thumbsup:
Agreed, but the rear lights look too asian :p

Holden Man

05-02-2007, 03:41 PM

Brilliant! :thumbsup:

Thanks Geary !

I'm hugely interested in what you know about / have seen on the Orion !!
(vee have vays of making you talk !)

Agreed, but the rear lights look too asian :p

Yes a bit Camry'ish

Fnomna

05-02-2007, 04:18 PM

Sales guys do tho, my DP has seen these vehicles late last year and he was told that September would be the release for both.:thumbsup:

Ask him if the wagon looks anything like this: (The bottom of the rear looks very familiar :) )
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/first_picsmy08.html
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/images/9-3/saab9-3-3.jpg

GEN III

05-02-2007, 04:22 PM

That a Saab logo?

`redoctober

05-02-2007, 04:23 PM

Ask him if the wagon looks anything like this: (The bottom of the rear looks very familiar :) )
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/first_picsmy08.html
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/images/9-3/saab9-3-3.jpg
That's the same rear I used on my photochop..

SICK SS

05-02-2007, 04:42 PM

looks to much like a mini van not a wagon

Jac001

08-02-2007, 07:44 PM

the word is that the wagon wont be ready till very late in the year or early next year (due to the G8 contract)...

Canters

11-04-2007, 08:47 PM

the word is that the wagon wont be ready till very late in the year or early next year (due to the G8 contract)...
It's mid April now - anyone heard any recent news on the release date of the VE wagon.

When the sedan was released, there was talk about a early 2008 release date and earlier this year there were rumblings about a Oct 2008 release date, but in recent time there has not been any drumbeats........

My current lease expires in November, so I am getting nervious......

Please help with any advice

SumoDog68

11-04-2007, 09:21 PM

I hope they release wagon SS . That car might be just perfect for me, provided that is more sporty wagon than a load carrier. Considering the size of the sedan they shouldn't really extend the wheelbase or go with extra big load area.
If they make it that way , some people who buy 4WD's (and are not using them for offroading) might have a look at it. I think there is definately market for that type of car. Ford wagon has no style (i don't like Territory quasy 4WD idea), Toyota wont make Aurion in wagon form ,and Mitsubishi has not money to develop 380 wagon. So Holden could capture local wagon market completely.

Typhoon

11-04-2007, 09:58 PM

I heard a rumor that the VE ute and Wagon will not be released due to poor sales in the large car market.
I wonder how much truth there is in it.

Swordie

11-04-2007, 10:02 PM

I'm expecting the VE Wagon to be a disappointment from a load carrying perspective. It will be more in the European flavour of wagons. I hope I’m wrong.

old holden V8

11-04-2007, 10:10 PM

I'm expecting the VE Wagon to be a disappointment from a load carrying perspective. It will be more in the European flavour of wagons. I hope I’m wrong.

I hope so too...

I honestly can't see the ute finsihing....there is a thread I read lately about a prototype under a tarp somewhere..

Even if we DO get a wagon - who knows whether an eight will be on the menu??

Cheers
Laurie

SS Enforcer

12-04-2007, 02:29 AM

I heard a rumor that the VE ute and Wagon will not be released due to poor sales in the large car market.
I wonder how much truth there is in it.

Absolutely None ... VE sales are doing quite well I believe considering Holden arn't giving them away to business or Govt at cost to boost their numbers.

Yes there is a rumour .

Guys on this forum that work at the factory are gearing up for the production run now for the wagon and ute.

cheers

VZSS_Freak

12-04-2007, 11:00 PM

I heard a rumor that the VE ute and Wagon will not be released due to poor sales in the large car market.
I wonder how much truth there is in it.

I think that would be a Bottom Line suicide if holden done that! Holden would have to make more margin on the ute compred to the commodore i reckon, Fleets love the wagon, and utes, well they are the in thing to have now, wether you are in the city or country. Plus, Mine wagon lease is due in sept, and thinking i might now be betting a VZ, rather than a VE, if late, late, 07 realease is correct!!!

swagons

13-04-2007, 03:34 PM

Sales guys do tho, my DP has seen these vehicles late last year and he was told that September would be the release for both.:thumbsup:

Just spoke to someone who said they saw a shell of a wagon in the validation room at the bend some time ago.He/she didn't take much notice of the rear but said the front was current VE style it looked great and his/her guess was Sydney motorshow for release.I think thats October not too sure.I didn't ask about engine combo's.
Cheers Cam

KID_SRi

13-04-2007, 04:55 PM

If they really do release a VE SS Wagon, I'll be surely upgrading my VYII.

VYSV8

18-04-2007, 07:57 PM

VE Utes are on the road (in camo stripes, with front and rear car bras) testing, I saw a couple on Beach Rd in Hampton (Melb) yesterday. Sorry no pics, but there are pics in the VE Ute thread. Anyway the ute is definately happening, my guess is about 2-3 months from release if they have them on the road already.

The guy in Motor Mag that was saying the VE ute/wagon wasn't going to happen is just making crap up to sell magazines!!

Mikhael

18-04-2007, 08:13 PM

The guy in Motor Mag that was saying the VE ute/wagon wasn't going to happen is just making crap up to sell magazines!!

And gee....., hasn't he got EGG on his face :lmao:

Canters

20-04-2007, 07:45 PM

Now that spy pictures of the new VE ute are appearing on this website, surely Holden must be starting to test the new VE wagon........but still no pics!

VZSS_Freak

28-04-2007, 11:41 PM

Well looks like the VZ Wagon is now in run out mode, Holden website now showing the so called, second run, Limted Edition SVZ Wagon, am thinking a september release of the VE, looks promising now!

Cheers

v8mumbo

29-04-2007, 08:13 PM

I thought that the Commodore wagon replacement had already arrived...

Hello Captiva.....

There have been quite a few "reports" in the media (will try to track some down) where references were made to "business cases" stacking up etc etc.

And when you consider volume / other constraints. Namely, increasing export volumes, Commodore volumes around the 4500-6000 range (low end atm) is there a business case that stacks up for a wagon with a 4 to 5k annual volume? Especially when Captiva can fill the gap very nicely for quite a few users....
You cant be serious that the Captiva is a subsitute for a Commodore!
Have you sat in one? The drivers seat alone was enough to put me off.
Read the reviews in the mags. Captiva didn't even finish in the latest Wheels test.

Holden are you listening?
Only a decent driver oriented VE wagon will do to replace my VY V8 wagon. That means a 6-speed auto that actually knows what gear it should be in, and a decent motor, preferably the VM Motori 3.0 diesel with 510Nm, as it is getting a bit expensive to run V8's now.

Much as I love driving the V8, I think the greenies will kill it off.

lpearce

29-04-2007, 08:23 PM

geeez a diesel engine in a commodore youve got to be kidding me. Thats got to be the worst idea ive ever heard.

adams_1

29-04-2007, 08:28 PM

Diesel a bad idea? Stacks of torque and great economy not a good thing? Hmm.

lpearce

29-04-2007, 08:38 PM

teamkiwi

29-04-2007, 09:53 PM

If a diesel commodore made its way over to NZ it would be laughed outa the country I reckon. Commodores are NZ's most popular cars (by survey's) and most of that is because of the stigma that comes with them as nice big family cars that also look great and have plenty of grunt. Sure a diesel might have heaps of tourqe but I dont belive that there any more economical anymore. (unless your doing absolutely huge k's) Plus there ratly,smokey bloody expensive to maintain blah blah blah. I have a diesel at the moment and once it shits itself I wont be buying another one, Im going back to petrol. See in NZ you have too buy your diesle but then also road user charges on top of that.

But diesel is alot cheapers over here, somewhere in the vacinity of around 50 cents cheaper compared to 91 so it more than makes up for the RUC. Also the stigma of diesels being loud and dirty has long gone.

HRT Stroker

29-04-2007, 09:59 PM

If a diesel commodore made its way over to NZ it would be laughed outa the country I reckon. Commodores are NZ's most popular cars (by survey's) and most of that is because of the stigma that comes with them as nice big family cars that also look great and have plenty of grunt. Sure a diesel might have heaps of tourqe but I dont belive that there any more economical anymore. (unless your doing absolutely huge k's) Plus there ratly,smokey bloody expensive to maintain blah blah blah. I have a diesel at the moment and once it shits itself I wont be buying another one, Im going back to petrol. See in NZ you have too buy your diesle but then also road user charges on top of that.

I have run deisel light trucks for 12 years with NO hassles whatsoever. Our oldest one is about to clock 400,000 km's and purs like a kitten

I have has a Mazda Bravo TD for the last 2.5 years, caned the hell out of it off and on road with NO drama's - half the people I have had in it didn't realise it was deisel.....

Rattly and smokey......not these days!

If commodore came out with a TD V8 I reckon it would sell, ALL major manufacturers are bringing out TD cars in their line up, cheap to run if well maintaned and fuel efficient.:thumbsup:

mustanger

29-04-2007, 11:22 PM

Wether we like it or not, diesels will become more common in the future. You just have to look at the BMW X5 Diesel. Average 8-9 litres per 100km, 500NM of torque, top speed over 200km/h and all this out of a four wheel drive. I think a diesel engine would do very well alongside the petrol version in the New VE. :teach:

Swordie

30-04-2007, 08:06 AM

HSVMAN

30-04-2007, 08:44 AM

A diesel in the wagon would be a fantastic idea. Its viability will depend on how long it takes to pay back compared to a petrol. A diesel won the last Le Mans 24 hr out right. Then there is the bio fuel alternative, fill up on left over oil from your local fish and chip shop.

Yes the Diesel would out perform the petrol six easily based on figures quoted from VM Motori engines being tested.
BMW 530 Diesel does so to its petrol counterpart as does the X5 diesel.

Whether or not Holden have the forsesight or wherewithall is another story as has already stated, they dont have any immeadiate plans, and they seem to have a history of being last to the party at times

shane W Z

30-04-2007, 10:59 AM

as much as i hate to say this being a holden fan and all IF the captiva is holdens way of replacing the commodore wagon they are DELUDED i saw one the other day at the dealers and there is NO WAY that it can substitute a wagon,Sorry my rant for the day
rant over.

HSVMAN

30-04-2007, 11:23 AM

...................IF the captiva is holdens way of replacing the commodore wagon they are DELUDED i saw one the other day at the dealers and there is NO WAY that it can substitute a wagon.............

Its not :)

shane W Z

30-04-2007, 11:49 AM

Its not :)

well thank God for that
from what i saw there appears to be no room to swing the proverbial cat in an captiva.

HSVMAN

30-04-2007, 12:00 PM

well thank God for that
from what i saw there appears to be no room to swing the proverbial cat in an captiva.

Certainly not in load space but the Captiva is definately superior in people space if you want to carry 7 in relative comfort.
That said it is not a wagon but an "SUV" however some people will buy the SUV for what it does and others the wagon IMO.
The wagon will look very smart apparently and the model choices have changed but not sure what to...

Come to think of it.... with the 3rd row folded the Captiva has ample load space. just not as big as VZ wagon perhaps

shane W Z

30-04-2007, 12:14 PM

HSVMAN

30-04-2007, 12:32 PM

well its interesting that you mention the VZs as my parents (who i still live with even though i'm 20 as i can't manage by myself because of my condition but thats another story)have just gone to look at one thats for sale,we're hoping to trade it for our EL falcon so we may be buying one,fingers crossed for me!

No worries mate I lived with my folks till I was 21, being a good Catholic boy and all....

I would expect the load capacity on VE wagon to remain close to the VZ wagon, and hopefully the loading (tailgate opening) dimensions which are class leading and the reason why come companies will only buy Holden Wagons

(p.s Hope your condition is not life threatening or long term)

v8mumbo

30-04-2007, 05:17 PM

Captiva a replacment for the wagon? you cant be serious!
See latest Wheels mag. DNF the test.
I went and sat in drivers seat - awful!
When I touched the dash the trim fell off.
A rebadged Daewoo is no substitute for a real Holden.
A diesel VMMotori 3.0L (510Nm) VE wagon with a 6-sp auto to replace my VY V8 wagon please Holden.

shane W Z

30-04-2007, 06:15 PM

No worries mate I lived with my folks till I was 21, being a good Catholic boy and all....

I would expect the load capacity on VE wagon to remain close to the VZ wagon, and hopefully the loading (tailgate opening) dimensions which are class leading and the reason why come companies will only buy Holden Wagons

(p.s Hope your condition is not life threatening or long term)

life threatning nope (had since birth) long term Yep
its spina bifida.

DIEFASTER*WH

30-04-2007, 09:06 PM

From what I was told when I was at Holdens, the VE Wagon is going to be based more on the platform of a suburu liberty or forester type of wagon. Apparently the large back is going in favour of a more smaller compact Wagon style/shape....:hmmm:

old holden V8

05-05-2007, 05:07 PM

Any spy pictures yet, anyone?

Surely, they must be testing the buggers somewhere by now!

Also, I question Holden's strategy. VZ's *will* run out shortly....with no replacement in the short-term. That, in turn, must give a leg up to Ford, even the 'little wagons' like Forester, with the fleet buyers (who have no Holden product in that segment to chose from).

These cars on the second hand market, feed the mums & dad market (~3 y.o cars - just out of leasing arrangements), that need wagons. So I guess that will mean a patch 3 years from now where again, there is not many Holden's around for this market??

Is this good marketing strategy?

Hmm...

Laurie

:-)

VT_Jim

05-05-2007, 10:15 PM

they like to take their time to keep everyone waiting

CharlieDontSurf

06-05-2007, 10:23 AM

ryno

06-05-2007, 10:40 AM

The death of the Wagon has been a few years in the making.. Slowly over time the main wagons have disappeared (magna, camry, even corolla) and new models (380, Epica, Aurion etc) don't have a wagon variant as the Global trend is for the SUV..

I think the Commodore will be here for a while cos if Holden drops first then Ford will pick up a pile of business and vica versa...

As a person who runs a large fleet it is a pain the backside and don't agree with it, but they figure if they don't make one consumers will get the next best thing.. Unfortunatly in Holden's case Im not sure the Captiva is the next best thing..

shane W Z

06-05-2007, 04:37 PM

VZSS_Freak

06-05-2007, 04:42 PM

um i'm confused is the thing going ahead or not
btw re my earlier post about possibly getting a VZ wagon.unfortunately when the parents when back to enquire about test drives etc it was gone so we got a BA MKII wagon instead,as fords go its ok,better than our old EL anyway.Sorry for changing the subject,back to topic,again is the VE Wagon a go-er or not?.

In Short, Yes its going ahead, it just when it will be released, I Have heard as soon as September, or as late as May 08,

Here's me hoping september, my lease is up, and dont wanna get another VZ

Cheers

Jac001

06-05-2007, 04:51 PM

In Short, Yes its going ahead, it just when it will be released, I Have heard as soon as September, or as late as May 08,

Here's me hoping september, my lease is up, and dont wanna get another VZ

Cheers

Will be next year at the earliest (easter???).. too much happening with the ute and G8 to start the wagon this year.

shane W Z

06-05-2007, 04:57 PM

Will be next year at the earliest (easter???).. too much happening with the ute and G8 to start the wagon this year.

typical! being delayed by the yanks surprise surbleedingprise.

old holden V8

06-05-2007, 07:08 PM

I think the mums and dads will be directed to Captiva, whether its on their list or not. Holden doesnt really care about who buys their non aspirational cars second hand. They make no money from it. They would rather you wnt a new car now

Good point. But what about spares and service? Isn't that where money is made?

I think all those ~3y.o ex fleet buyers will go either Falcon Wagon, Territory, or to a lesser extent Forester. Holdens will be thin on the ground in the wagon segment - in that age bracket.

What choice will we have? Captiva? Somehow I don't think so. But I could be wrong.......

Remember what happened when they did a similar thing to the ute? People switched to Fords and jap utes. We had no choice from 1984 - 1990....and now even though the 'coupe' body has clawed back in popularity, the One Tonner (which in 1983/4 Holden sold..) Holden is gone, if you don't count Isuzu/Rodeo variant.

I think Holden have made a rather large blue...

My 2c only...

:-)
Laurie.

SecretSquirrel

06-05-2007, 07:27 PM

As someone who was in the market for a wagon last year I can back up what the majority of these posts have been saying about lack of choice.

I wanted a large wagon and really, the only two choices are the Falcon (damn ugly and old) or the Commodore which has massive load space. The Territory at the time was priced well above these two.

One of the cars were sporty (an SV6 wagon would be GREAT!) and in the end, I went with an Adventra because it wasn't a whole lot more than a Commodore wagon specced up with a couple of the extra bits I wanted.

Now the Adventra is going, there won't be much left for us to chose from. The Captiva certainly doesn't captivate me, it doesn't have as much carrying capacity and I like cars rather than SUV's. That's why I'm gutted the Adventra won't be around, I like the idea of an All Wheel Drive station wagon rather than an SUV.

I hope the VE wagon is all we hope it to be and I hope that they don't sacrifice too much of the cavernous interior that the big old Commodore wagon is known for.

Si

Jac001

06-05-2007, 07:35 PM

typical! being delayed by the yanks surprise surbleedingprise.

Volume wise the G8 is a much bigger deal than the wagon is hence will take precedence... nothing to do with it being sold specifically to the US.

v8mumbo

06-05-2007, 08:08 PM

My dream VE Wagon:

Engine: 4.5L V8 TDI diesel currently being developed by GM. 250 Kw/750Nm.
Transmission: DSI Australia 7-speed auto or ZF 8-speed auto.
Platform: Same wheel base as VE sedan. Remember the VE sedan's wheelbase is about the same as the VZ wagon already.
Suspension: Return of the FE1.5 luxury sport spec. The VE SS ride is a little harsh.
Interior: Packaging as good as Territory. By that I mean a place to put everything including an old fashioned street directory or a laptop PC.
Choice of rear or AWD.

NewVLT

07-05-2007, 09:55 AM

CharlieDontSurf

07-05-2007, 10:02 PM

I think the wagon /SUV thing is and will go full circle. Look at all the people who bought big landcruisers and patrols 10 years ago beacuse of the 7 seats and" packaging". Now we want the same but more like a car to drive. Shit if Holden made a wagon (sportdswagon. keep and omega for the fleets) with the interior packaging like a terroitory and opton of 7 seats for those that want it. There would be alot of people looking at it if only to get away from SUV fuel bills. The reality of a deisel commodore is that it will only be viable in High end models (calais/Caprice) where the margin and entry price can absorb the huge engineering/producvtion cost. Fleets wont go for it beacsue over 2 - 3 years you just wont get your money back

Now what was I talking about...Thats right. Make a bloody VE wagon now HOLDEN. One with an SV6/ss option and a family friendly model witha a decent(5/6speed auto) and good interior packaging. People will buy them.

geary

07-05-2007, 10:39 PM

E-Series Senator wagon for me !

Surely it'd have to be on the cards with the Chrysler, BMW, Audi & SAAB wagons seemingly doing okay in the upmarket wagon sector.

The cash is sitting here patiently waiting. Pull your finger out Holden and it's all yours. :wave:

I'd get reall excited about any HSV wagon. Surely, a special edition would be fairly painless, but I know all too well now that it would be too expensive. We can dream, can't we? What do you think of this?

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-hsvgtswagon.htm

Canters

07-05-2007, 10:50 PM

Any one have any idea whether the new VE wagon will be a 7 seater ....or is that just hoping too much.....

Maybe I should just be happy if it is released this year....

wanaVE

08-05-2007, 12:01 AM

christmass order 1x hsv gts wagon:thumbsup:

NewVLT

08-05-2007, 09:54 AM

If they can figure out a way to have a generic rear interior (chopping and changing storage area's, side plastics, floor coverings etc for different models) and HSV don't get too carried away trying to have a totally different rear external metal from Holden then it shouldn't be too painful. All you're really up for then is rear seat coverings/bolstering and headlinings. Shouldn't be too difficult in this day of mix and match accessories....and they already have the tail lights made. :)

All most of us wanting wagons are really after is load carrying space from the C-pillar back and a standard car from there forward. The rear could be just a big black hole and we'd be happy.

If Holden/HSV can do something even resembling that link it'll be worth the wait.
That one looks like just what I'm after. Fingers crossed. :yahoo:

MICBOD

08-05-2007, 09:12 PM

Hawkesbury Valley Holden at Windsor has told me today that the VE wagon will be April 08.

Not sure how reliable that is but that is what they said.

Marco

08-05-2007, 09:28 PM

I'd get reall excited about any HSV wagon. Surely, a special edition would be fairly painless, but I know all too well now that it would be too expensive. We can dream, can't we? What do you think of this?

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-hsvgtswagon.htm

It wouldn't be the first HSV wagon - there was a VN LE wagon IIRC, and a VP HSV wagon as well (I can't remember if it was a Clubsport wagon or some other designation at the moment).

I'd like to see another HSV wagon, or even the SS wagon make a comback as a permanent member of the lineup, but performance wagons don't seem to have ever done well. The HSV wagons, the Ford XR6 wagon and the SS wagon were all fairly limited in their success, sadly - I'd love an SS wagon.

sven

09-05-2007, 08:50 AM

pretty sure there was a vt1 senator wagon. still see one getting around the streets here. looks great. i reckon a ve senator wagon would sell ok.

NewVLT

09-05-2007, 10:05 AM

I think you're right sven. The Senator looks Euro enough and has the ride, power and equipment to make a dent in the existing 100K+ wagon segment but at a much cheaper price.

I still can't come to grips with the look of the lesser HSV's though and I think they may look a little aggressive for a lot of buyers in that segment who want something a little more restrained. I don't know who did the design work on the GTS and Clubsport but it sure isn't an integrated look. The Senator looks just about perfect to me.

v8mumbo

09-05-2007, 09:31 PM

The HSV wagon artistic impression is is almost good, but I think the roof slope down a the rear is a bit too exaggerated for my liking.
Reckon it would look better just slightly straighter.

In relation to the SS wagon, I think it previously failed to re-appear for several reasons:

A the time the price was a bit exy, I wanted a VY SS wagon but couldn't afford it.
The only colours offered were red and black, I dont like either. (I know some silver ones were sold in some states but they seem to be very rare.)
Lack of sound deadening in the rear made the V8 exhaust boom tiresome. Some people added their own sound insulating material.
Holden paid no attention to the packaging of the Commodore wagons, and that still annoys me when I drive mine today. If they had more places to put things like street directories, laptops, phones, sunnies, and better drink holders, and a couple of rear storage bins (I think Adventra has some), I think they would have sold a lot more then, and could do now with a VE wagon.

A dealer tried to tell me the wagons were not popular. The main reason they are not popular is poor packaging, and a lack of interest on Holden's part in just getting the vehicle right. Not to mention the VZ is now a superseded platform with appalling resale prospects.

KeenGolfer

10-05-2007, 06:08 AM

A the time the price was a bit exy, I wanted a VY SS wagon but couldn't afford it.
The only colours offered were red and black, I dont like either. (I know some silver ones were sold in some states but they seem to be very rare.)
Lack of sound deadening in the rear made the V8 exhaust boom tiresome.

I don't you how you can say they were exy, they were $1500 more than the SS sedan, and the wagon is always dearer than a sedan. You think they can sell a wagon for less than a sedan? Yes, on the street they pretty much sold for rrp whereas you could get a good discount on a ss sedan. That's fair enough, they were a limited edition and didn't need to discount them.

red and black were series 1, silver and black were series 2. I can't see how they could offer more colours when they only made 350 in series 1 and 500 in series 2. Limited run cars always have limited run colours, you just can't do it any other way.

I've never had an issue with my exhaust booming, and I had a dual 3" !

HSVMAN

10-05-2007, 06:46 AM

The HSV wagon artistic impression is is almost good, but I think the roof slope down a the rear is a bit too exaggerated for my liking.
Reckon it would look better just slightly straighter.

In relation to the SS wagon, I think it previously failed to re-appear for several reasons:

A the time the price was a bit exy, I wanted a VY SS wagon but couldn't afford it.
The only colours offered were red and black, I dont like either. (I know some silver ones were sold in some states but they seem to be very rare.)
Lack of sound deadening in the rear made the V8 exhaust boom tiresome. ...........................................
A dealer tried to tell me the wagons were not popular. The main reason they are not popular is poor packaging, and a lack of interest on Holden's part in just getting the vehicle right. Not to mention the VZ is now a superseded platform with appalling resale prospects.

We moved a few SS wagons and no-one ever complained of exhaust "booming" in fact a few upgraded the exhaust because it was too quite (then it was their problem anyway).
They were very rare and only released once a year in NZ in the 3 colours mentioned. Most dealers didnt touch them because they were difficult to move.
As a whole wagons in general are a large contributor to sales numbers in NZ (not sure about Aus) so it will be interesting to see where the sales figures go when VE is released because VZ-E Wagon sales have almost dried up at the moment. People buy VE sedan or are holding off till VE Wagon release or buy something else..

Fnomna

10-05-2007, 10:30 AM

New pic of the Saab wagon. I wonder how similar the rear and side styling of VE will be...
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/05/93kombi_angle.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/09/away-we-go-official-photos-of-saab-9-3-sportcombi-posted/

Avalanche

10-05-2007, 10:42 AM

Quietly waiting here...........Just to see if there is anything to replace the avalanche. It will have to be a bit more special than just a ss wagon. Its weird how when there isnt a version available ,every one wants one , but when they were here no one wanted one:nopity: the v8 addys were a good deal. with a few mods you will get avalanche grunt or more as well as better economy than standard. I think too many people listened to hype & magazine articles. there is nothing on the market to replace the avalanche yet. maybe if you wanted to spend $150K + you might. even then i doubt it. If hsv does another avalanche i will be there with bells on. Not giving up awd , space & towing capacity, performance for anything else.:driving:

The Brock

10-05-2007, 11:43 PM

Whilst we're always a bit late in hearing news over here in the West; I've been told from a couple of guys I've known at Holden Yards for years that the DP's have seen pictures of both the wagons and utes....

One dealer has been told September release (which is common so they can hit the Agricultural Field Days in rural areas - don't forget it's still 6 / 8 cylinder country in the bush); and another dealer has been told March release first glimpses at '08 Melbourne Motor Show).

Obviously the ute is coming out as there are spy shots of it on the road in the latest Wheels / Motor (can't remember which one now), so wagon can't be far away ??

So who bloody knows !!!!

Trying to pick the right time to offload a VY II ls1 Wagon is a challenge at the moment as you want to hang onto it and drive it, but then want to sell it whilst still half decent resale before new model comes out and VY / Z wagon resale goes through floor......

SV99

11-05-2007, 04:12 PM

We dont want a BFII WAGON. We are hanging out for a nice new VE Type wagon and cannot justify the expense of a territorys fuel consumption even on gas its a waste.

Roll on end of the year. !!!

NewVLT

14-05-2007, 10:20 AM

Just been looking at the latest Wheels new car guide and do you think I can find anything big enough, and with enough power, to replace my Calais wagon under 110K ?! Nope !

Closest are the top of the line Subaru and SAAB wagons but both are smaller than my VL as far as pure carrying capacity goes. That's it. Forget the Chrysler. You'd be lucky to fit a couple of suitcases in the back of the thing.
As for power the two mentioned above are both around 168kw but with their extra weight I'd still back my VL for overtaking ability.

Hear that Holden ? You have a clear run on large, powerful wagons under 110K ! Make the most of it please !

Some clever advertising, something aimed at the softroader crowd, citing flexabilty of a low-rise wagon, fuel economy (vs their high-rise behemoths anyway), better optioning and packaging to compete with the more upmarket Euro's (something a little more imaginative than an Exec and Berlina wagon for heavens sake !) and you're away. For a V8 wagon, something aimed at the pointlessness of a Turbo Territory could be worthwhile (If you want a sports car, buy a freakin' sports car (or a V8 VE wagon :) ), not some hulking great mobile chicane !).

But hey, my cash is earning plenty of interest waiting at least.

robramjet

14-05-2007, 01:05 PM

What's the general consensus on the Astra Wagon? Purely from an aesthetic point of view I mean, not performance.

NewVLT

15-05-2007, 10:04 AM

Not a huge fan. The angles look all a bit off at the rear, especially where the rear door meets the rear side window. Chrome strip across the back is trying to break up the big tailgate but looks strange.

mikmak

15-05-2007, 10:48 AM

I am hanging for the VE wagon since I have a natural aversion to SUVs (even though the wife doesn't). I would have to assume that 08 would be a good guess for release. No spy shots would seem to confirm it.

As for the Astra wagon, i don't mind the looks. They grew on me. It boggles the mind that there is no 2.2DI or diesel version though.:idea:

robramjet

15-05-2007, 11:45 AM

Another question, how come you hardly ever see Astra Wagons on the road? Compared to say Outbacks, Foresters, Commodores, Falcons and the like. They may not be the most powerful wagon around (they definitely need to make it 2.0 or 2.2l) but there's not much that can beat it in that price range. When I was thinking of buying one I kept an eye on the road to see one, and in 2 or 3 months I came across only one! Compared to hundreds of other Astras and Subarus.

v8mumbo

15-05-2007, 09:33 PM

Ghia351

15-05-2007, 10:06 PM

Canters

15-05-2007, 10:46 PM

When, when, when???????

My patience with GMH is starting to wear a bit thin....

VYSV8

16-05-2007, 09:52 AM

Astra Wagon does not look too bad, but its nothing special.

I would only consider buying one if it had the following:

1. A lot more grunt than currrent model, maybe a turbo or decent diesel of 2.2 or more litres.
2. A 6-speed auto
3. Limited slip diff.

LSD in my wagon is one of the best aspects of the car. works a treat in wet weather. The traction control is so useless, I switch it off. The LSD works way better on its own.

I was in Penfold Holden (Burnley, Vic) yesterday, even an Astra SRi spec wagon would be half OK. I've checked out the Opel Germany web site, over there you can spec any body style with just about any engine/trans combo with what ever level of spec (5 to choose from) you want. Anything from a 1.4L 66kw petrol through to the 177KW OPC (read HSV VXR Astra) and 5 different diesels (we already get the to spec diesel). There's 5 and 6 speed manuals, 4, 5 and 6 speed autos. I have no doubt you could option an LSD straight from the factory - shame we don't have that many choices here - just what Holden's marketing dept think ios good for us!!

holdengirl01

16-05-2007, 10:47 AM

Definitely going to be a ve wagon, have seen one in the flesh... looks awesome ute to be released in last quarter of the year and wagon first quarter of next year maybe last quarter of this year but not likely.. don't think there is going to be a v8 in the wagon... holden keeping hush on that.... ute looks tough as...:smilesandbanana:

The Brock

16-05-2007, 07:26 PM

Definitely going to be a ve wagon, have seen one in the flesh... looks awesome

I'm sure I speak for all of us wagon lovers when I say - MORE INFO PLEASE !!!! Whilst a picture tells a thousand words I realise you probably don't have a picture, so you'll have to say it all in words !!!!

kursit

16-05-2007, 08:18 PM

here here!

Cobalt

17-05-2007, 04:34 AM

:worthless:

chrism697

17-05-2007, 07:56 AM

and if she has seen it i guarantee she wont be describing it, as she then wouldnt have a job very long haha.

Canters

21-05-2007, 10:11 PM

A friend (of a friend) works at Holdens Elizabeth Plant and has confirmed that they will cease building VZ utes and wagons at the end of July 07 and start building VE utes and wagons from the middle of August 07.

I guess that means a Oct release date for both the wagon (hooray!!!) and the ute.....

Road Warrior

21-05-2007, 10:20 PM

Well Holden are advertising limited run Z series wagons and utes, I dare say to help clear stocks. The only reason why you would want to hurry stock along is to make way for a new model...

And of course, dont forget this...

http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07165/wagon001_adj-sml.JPG

`redoctober

21-05-2007, 10:54 PM

Road Warrior

21-05-2007, 11:10 PM

You sir are a legend! Where are you finding these pics? :O

Errr, in the VE ute thread :stick:

`redoctober

22-05-2007, 12:33 AM

Errr, in the VE ute thread :stick:
Too many pages to wade through :confused:

Canters

29-05-2007, 05:50 PM

Too many pages to wade through :confused:

Don't know if this has already been asked, but since the sedan battery is in the boot, where is it going to go in the Ute? Back under the bonnet? And introduce this back to sedans too for MY2008?

What does this mean for the wagon??

`redoctober

29-05-2007, 06:03 PM

As far as my understanding goes, the Ute, Wagon and VEII will all have the battery back under the bonnet.

mac06

29-05-2007, 07:02 PM

As far as my understanding goes, the Ute, Wagon and VEII will all have the battery back under the bonnet.

Interesting. Where are you getting your info from, other than threads here? And any idea where under the bonnet it will fit?

`redoctober

29-05-2007, 07:04 PM

Interesting. Where are you getting your info from, other than threads here? And any idea where under the bonnet it will fit?
I've read it in threads around LS1 on more than one occasion, can't recall where though. I think it will be back in the same place it is in the VZ's.

mac06

29-05-2007, 07:14 PM

I think it will be back in the same place it is in the VZ's.

They will have to move something to achieve that as there is no room under the bonnet for a battery, which is why I thought the moved it in the first place.

The Brock

30-05-2007, 09:58 AM

Wasn't the battery relocated to the boot to allow for extra room for the inclusion of a possible diesel engine option ? WHich we now know is at least 2 or 3 years away.....

BlackCalaisVVE

30-05-2007, 10:04 AM

Wasn't the battery relocated to the boot to allow for extra room for the inclusion of a possible diesel engine option ? WHich we now know is at least 2 or 3 years away.....

The Diesel engine is not that far away only 12 months or less look at the link below there is also another thread on the new Diesel engine

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2154752.aspx

HSVMAN

30-05-2007, 10:24 AM

The Diesel engine is not that far away only 12 months or less look at the link below there is also another thread on the new Diesel engine
http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2154752.aspx

There is still no indication that it will be released in 12 months, but if it is it will be two years late IMO

VX11SS

30-05-2007, 04:05 PM

Why put the battery back under the bonnet, its good out the back as it helps weight distribution, surely it would be easy enough to make a battery box in the rear floor area on the utes and wagons ala old mini wagons etc?

estate

03-06-2007, 05:15 PM

Dont know about a deisel but a liquid gas injected Ve wagon is something I've been hanging out for , as a contractor and doing about 2-300 ks a day something cheap to run but zippy and practical is something I'll pay good money for :eyes:

Felix

03-06-2007, 09:01 PM

Does anyone know if there will be a VE based adventra and will they return the V8 option on it. I know its probably to early to know but it cant hurt asking, i havnt herd any info yet. If i knew that there was one coming i would hang out on one of these, otherwise the Turbo terri would have to do.

Regards Phil.

Black AH CDX

04-06-2007, 07:30 PM

I think there is no chance Holden will be doing an Adventra again, especially one with a V8.

Lets hope they do a V8 SS-V wagon though!!!!

VQST80

04-06-2007, 08:27 PM

There better be a SSv wagon or im just gonna cry!!!

The GTS wagon chop looks awesome aq well.

VYSV8

05-06-2007, 10:34 AM

I reckon it'll come out when the ute is released later this year.

As far as I can see it, there's two big problems for Holden if the wagon doesn't come out until 2008.

1. Lost sales and lost market share - is anyone really going to still be buying VZ wagons this time next year? With increasing petrol prices, people are going to look elsewhere for a wagon. No one is really going to want to buy a wagon that is still very strongly linked back to a 1998 (VT) model.

2. It means the wagon will be the only legacy model on the production line. I know I've read about Holden complaining that running two different models down the line slows production, increases costs, etc, etc. It just doesn't make economic senses to keep building 1 old (VZ Wagon) model if everything else going down the line is VE based (short and long wheel base sedan, ute, exports, etc). In fact I'm sure I read somewhere that to accomodate the Pontiac exports to the USA later this year, they will need the production line running at near max capacity and the VZ did not fit into that plan. Maybe they will build up stock of the VZ wagon and then stop manufacturing it, just sell it from stock until the VE wagon arrives. Or they could drop it altogether until the VE wagon arrives (unlikely). Either way, I can't see them continuing to build VZ wagons once the VE ute is released!!

Highway

05-06-2007, 05:17 PM

Not sure if any one has reported it yet but in the Repco Performance Guide
under HM Headers and Perry Exhausts their is already a listing for -

Holden VE Wagon/Ute Dual Stainless Street System ( Part No SS125WU ) -
POA.

The part number for the sedan is SS125S.

Sounds like it will not be long now.

Mike

The Brock

05-06-2007, 07:50 PM

Isn't the purpose of the current VZ SVZ wagon and ute is to empty the spare parts bins (CV8-R wheels, VY II Calais wheels, Berlina fronts etc) and to "bide time" till VE wagon comes out ? I realise they normally do a Equipe / Lumina, but the SVZ ute is a fairly impressive package for the money.

v8mumbo

06-06-2007, 03:05 PM

Some of the above questions have been answered in earlier posts in this thread.

Very observant with the exhaust part no.
Good work!

Marco

06-06-2007, 06:32 PM

Interesting. Where are you getting your info from, other than threads here? And any idea where under the bonnet it will fit?

Looking under the bonnet of a VE, it's really obvious where the battery was designed to go. There's a space at the right hand side of the engine bay right up near the windscreen that at the moment is just a big blank bit of plastic. Imagine the bit of plastic gone and you can see that a battery would easily fit there.

I prefer it in the boot, though.

IIRC, from what I was reading in one of the articles on the VE when it first came out, they'd originally intended to put it there, then moved it to the boot later on. Interestingly, the Holden engineer they spoke to thought that was a good thing as he wasn't very keen on the idea of the battery sitting so close to where fresh air for the cabin comes in (presumably in case something went wrong with the battery fume-wise).

Goggles

06-06-2007, 10:19 PM

BlackCalaisVVE

07-06-2007, 10:12 AM

Looks like it how long ago was the picture taken

Holden Man

07-06-2007, 10:24 AM

is this the VE wagon (look at top left of the pic)?

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/goggles13/vewagonpicsmall.jpg

pic from Autobiography.

Holden has been known to sneak future models into their pics which appear in various publications.

Nice Find ! - I would say it is but a bit hard to see all the detail.

Also interesting is the different glass area (DLO) of the clay model compared to what they released.

shane W Z

07-06-2007, 10:50 AM

Any other interesting pics/info from that book?

Goggles

07-06-2007, 06:52 PM

Any other interesting pics/info from that book?

not yet - am about a quarter of the way thru.....a very good read so far.

Looks like it how long ago was the picture taken

not sure.....at a guess probably 2002/3

Canters

07-06-2007, 09:27 PM

Louie

07-06-2007, 11:18 PM

Also looks like Torana Headlights, or similar.
We might see these Headlights on VF.

brentonsav

11-06-2007, 09:54 AM

the other night i got from a relatively reputable source (read: someone directly in the know) that there is going to be a ve wagons in v8 form. ie. ss and/or ssv. cant wait to see these!

Fnomna

13-06-2007, 11:04 AM

Official pics of the new Saab wagon have been released
Maybe someone could chop a VE front onto one of them from this page http://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/index.html

http://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1029-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1037-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1016-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1018-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1014-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1008-thumb.jpghttp://www.saabmedia.net/models/9-3/pressinfo/2008-SS-SC/image/files/page131-1004-thumb.jpg

Here's a quick nasty one to get an idea of a more sportwagon look
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07243/page131-1015-full-VE.jpeg

compared to VZ and VX
http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200705/GMC2007051364799_PV.jpghttp://us.tnpv.net/2002/GMC200202/GMC2002022050429_PV.jpg

darn - too late to edit. Here's a cleaned up one
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07243/page131-1015-full2-VE.jpeg

Road Warrior

13-06-2007, 11:23 AM

Good pick-up, but with a late 2007 release, surely by now there must be spy pictures floating around.....

There are already spy photos of the new Ford around, so where are the VE wagons being tested???

Because Ford obviously want their secret prototype to be seen. Free advertising/media hype, you know how it is.

Also looks like Torana Headlights, or similar.
We might see these Headlights on VF.

Exactly what I thought too...expect to see those headlights and bumper/guard detail on the VF...

vx_clubby

13-06-2007, 07:59 PM

The VE sports wagon will be released Feb/March no ifs or buts.(It has been brought forward 2 months)
and remember its a sports wagon not just a wagon ;)
and wow Id call it a hoon wagon lol :)

Swordie

13-06-2007, 09:18 PM

The VE sports wagon will be released Feb/March no ifs or buts.(It has been brought forward 2 months)
and remember its a sports wagon not just a wagon ;)
and wow Id call it a hoon wagon lol :)

Does that mean less load area compared to the current model?

Canters

13-06-2007, 09:47 PM

Does that mean less load area compared to the current model?

Yep it will have a smaller load area, as it will be on the same wheelbase as the current VE sedan, which is significantly smaller than the current wagon, which is on the statesman wheelbase..................

KeenGolfer

13-06-2007, 09:52 PM

Don't see why the load area should be much smaller? The VE wheelbase is 126 mm longer than the VZ, and the wagon wheelbase in the VT-VZ was around 150 mm longer than the sedan, that's a difference of only 24 mm wheelbase. Guess it depends where the extra wheelbase went in the car.

HSVMAN

14-06-2007, 06:34 AM

BadMac

14-06-2007, 08:37 AM

The VE sports wagon will be released Feb/March no ifs or buts.(It has been brought forward 2 months)
and remember its a sports wagon not just a wagon ;)
and wow Id call it a hoon wagon lol :)

That would appear to be about the Orion release timeframe, can't help but think thats a deliberate move by Holden to steal some of the limelight. Smart move.

V-Car

14-06-2007, 08:59 AM

VE sedan has same wheel base as VZ wagon so how do you work that one out?

Not so.
As Drew said VE sedan WB 2915mm, VZ wagon WB 2939mm.
You sell these, you should know. ;)

HSVMAN

14-06-2007, 09:09 AM

Not so.
As Drew said VE sedan WB 2915mm, VZ wagon WB 2939mm.
You sell these, you should know. ;)

LOL how silly am I then? seems a real big difference though.... an inch!

So in a round a bout way... they are the same.

No thats not how I operate but you know what I mean.

Incidentally I dont sell them. People buy them

Holden Man

14-06-2007, 09:15 AM

Yep it will have a smaller load area, as it will be on the same wheelbase as the current VE sedan, which is significantly smaller than the current wagon, which is on the statesman wheelbase..................

I think the VE is only 1" shorter in wheelbase compared to the previous statesman wheelbase.

.....Incidentally I dont sell them. People buy them

Holden may aswell put them (commodores) in a vending machine and cut out the sales staff !!

HSVMAN

14-06-2007, 09:40 AM

I think the VE is only 1" shorter in wheelbase compared to the previous statesman wheelbase.
Holden may aswell put them (commodores) in a vending machine and cut out the sales staff !!

My original statement saying the same thing was in response to the very clever claim by "Canters" that the VE W/B was "significantly" shorter than WL.
Of course we now know that to be very untrue.

Re your vending machine idea, I think many customers would prefer it that way too :)

Holden Man

14-06-2007, 09:51 AM

...Re your vending machine idea, I think many customers would prefer it that way too :)

:yup: HaHA ...yes your probably right !

There are a few threads about Holden Sales & Service.

Fnomna

14-06-2007, 10:03 AM

But hasn't a lot of the extra VE wheelbase come from shifting the front wheels forward - not so much the rear rearward as you do for LWB? Meaning less load area increase than you'd expect.

HSVMAN

14-06-2007, 10:11 AM

But hasn't a lot of the extra VE wheelbase come from shifting the front wheels forward - not so much the rear rearward as you do for LWB? Meaning less load area increase than you'd expect.

yes that's right and it has increased the floor area between the front and rear wheels (floor base) which is where the extra space was in the wagon anyway - not behind the wheels :-)

Whether you move the front wheels forward or rear wheels rearward the same result happens to the space between :rofl:

Cobalt

14-06-2007, 10:17 AM

yes that's right and it has increased the floor area between the front and rear wheels (floor base) which is where the extra space was in the wagon anyway - not behind the wheels :-)

Whether you move the front wheels forward or rear wheels rearward the same result happens to the space between :rofl:

That is not right.

If they dont move the dash and increase the area between the dash and the front wheels the floorbase increases but it is not always the actual cab space that increases....:teach:

Cheers

Chad

HSVMAN

14-06-2007, 12:39 PM

That is not right.

If they dont move the dash and increase the area between the dash and the front wheels the floorbase increases but it is not always the actual cab space that increases....:teach:

Cheers

Chad

I was taking the piss.

Basically nobody knows but everyone is trying to pretend they do based on comments being made here.

banyo

19-06-2007, 08:22 PM

Thought this could be inspirational. Its a VE berlina sedan converted to a hearse. Yes its a 6 litre and sounds great.

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/banyo/DSC00855.JPG

Canters

19-06-2007, 09:17 PM

What a way to go.....

[QUOTE=banyo;946479]Thought this could be inspirational. Its a VE berlina sedan converted to a hearse. Yes its a 6 litre and sounds great.

The Brock

19-06-2007, 09:29 PM

VE Hearse, very nice...

Maybe it's time I upgraded from my VH to something newer :) .... Apologies for running off topic a bit.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q317/joeysphotobucket/Motorvation%202007/DSC02131.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q317/joeysphotobucket/Motorvation%202007/DSC02133.jpg

holdengirl01

21-06-2007, 11:13 AM

Probably old news but I can confirm the wagons will be here early 2008....Has been confirmed..Dealers will be released pics on the utes soon and wagon later in the year........:smilesandbanana:

falcom

21-06-2007, 12:58 PM

That VE Hearse is ugly. I wouldn't been seen dead in that.

O5BRKY

21-06-2007, 01:17 PM

That VE Hearse is ugly. I wouldn't been seen dead in that.

Now that's a bit Stiff!

HSVMAN

21-06-2007, 01:32 PM

Now that's a bit Stiff!

:lmao::lmao::lmao: LOL you kill me!

Canters

27-06-2007, 10:48 PM

Anyone have any idea whether the VE Wagon will have a seven seat option (given that the VE sedan is 40mm longer than the Ford Territory).....or is that just a false hope???

iloveholden

27-06-2007, 11:45 PM

Anyone have any idea whether the VE Wagon will have a seven seat option (given that the VE sedan is 40mm longer than the Ford Territory).....or is that just a false hope???

maybe???? lol

Ghia351

28-06-2007, 04:02 PM

Anyone have any idea whether the VE Wagon will have a seven seat option (given that the VE sedan is 40mm longer than the Ford Territory).....or is that just a false hope???Why would they bother considering the Captiva is aimed at that market and it would save much engineering (ie. $$$) to leave out such an option on the VE wagon.

HSVREDSLED

28-06-2007, 08:08 PM

Probably old news but I can confirm the wagons will be here early 2008....Has been confirmed..Dealers will be released pics on the utes soon and wagon later in the year........:smilesandbanana:

Dealers have pics of the ute as of today...looks good:nyuk:

SecretSquirrel

28-06-2007, 08:14 PM

Why would they bother considering the Captiva is aimed at that market and it would save much engineering (ie. $$$) to leave out such an option on the VE wagon.

I saw a Captiva close up today (parked next to my Adventra) and boy, it's a LOT smaller in the boot area than I expected and certainly a LOT smaller than the Adventra...

I still think there's a market for the wagon's cavernous load space.

Si

VYSSWagon

02-07-2007, 11:45 AM

Why would they bother considering the Captiva is aimed at that market and it would save much engineering (ie. $$$) to leave out such an option on the VE wagon.

Probably because the Captiva doesn't come with a 6.0L V8 option. I have an SS Wagon with dickie seats, and am hanging out 'til next year to update in hope...

If there is no additional seating option, I will have no other option than to go back to a 4 cylinder, bongo van. :bawl:

(Only milk and orange juice should come in 2.0L...)

BadMac

02-07-2007, 01:01 PM

Probably because the Captiva doesn't come with a 6.0L V8 option. I have an SS Wagon with dickie seats, and am hanging out 'til next year to update in hope...

If there is no additional seating option, I will have no other option than to go back to a 4 cylinder, bongo van. :bawl:

(Only milk and orange juice should come in 2.0L...)

I have heard that there will be a SS (v?) Wagon and also HSV are looking to do a HSV wagon. So start saving peoples.

dnic63

03-07-2007, 06:32 PM

Probably because the Captiva doesn't come with a 6.0L V8 option. I have an SS Wagon with dickie seats, and am hanging out 'til next year to update in hope...

If there is no additional seating option, I will have no other option than to go back to a 4 cylinder, bongo van. :bawl:

(Only milk and orange juice should come in 2.0L...)

Looks like a V6 Tarago, then. For you and me both. Eww.

But 200 KW can't be wrong.

D (VT2 Berlina wagon with dickie seats)

Fnomna

11-07-2007, 10:28 AM

Someone posted this over on GMI News. Trying to find out where it came from. Looks pretty good!
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/mcshane27/c136h.jpg

iloveholden

11-07-2007, 11:00 AM

Someone posted this over on GMI News. Trying to find out where it came from. Looks pretty good!
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/mcshane27/c136h.jpg

That looks pretty nice but i think the lights will be long and skinner than that like on the othe euro model wagons.:eyes:

VT-099

11-07-2007, 11:09 AM

Pretty nice? It looks farking awesome. I'd buy one of those :eyes:

Road Warrior

11-07-2007, 11:15 AM

Someone posted this over on GMI News. Trying to find out where it came from. Looks pretty good!
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/mcshane27/c136h.jpg

MMmm nahhh not with sedan tail lights.

The rear 1/4 window looks like its been chopped from that new Dodge wagon thing...dont think the window shape will be like that at all.

BadMac

11-07-2007, 08:24 PM

Couple of others on there from MonaroSS.

A GTS crewman.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/monarogts4doorutegreenqb1.jpg

Or a Hatchback GTS.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/BadMac/monarogts4doorwagonbluejs4.jpg

geary

11-07-2007, 08:34 PM

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/gm-pontiacg8wagon.htm

Similar concept

V-Car

11-07-2007, 10:26 PM

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/gm-pontiacg8wagon.htm

Similar concept

But butt ugly!
A Ssangyong Stavic would look good next to that. :yup:

SUPERH2377

12-07-2007, 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=Holden Man;830907]I know it won't look like this but I have crossed a VE with a Mazda6 wagon.
( I reckon the Mazda6 has a similar shape to the VE)

do it but with a saab 93 rear tail lights and leave everything the same and see how it looks thanks

`redoctober

12-07-2007, 06:21 PM

do it but with a saab 93 rear tail lights and leave everything the same and see how it looks thanks
Go further back mate, I already did one like that. :yup:

http://images.cainer.net//uploads/blacksswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/bluesswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/ignitionsswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/turismosswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/redsswagon2.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/whitesswagon2.jpg

mustanger

12-07-2007, 06:52 PM

I was at the HSV dealer today and I heard a whisper of a Senator Wagon. :hmmm: Apparantly to appeal to the loyal GM customers who might be looking at Audis,BMs, Volvo wagons etc,etc........

Black AH CDX

12-07-2007, 07:45 PM

sounds to me like your dealer is living on recreational pharmasuticals :hmmm:

NewVLT

13-07-2007, 03:15 PM

I'm first in line if they do !

Hjs2

13-07-2007, 07:35 PM

I was talking to a dude from holden at work today apparently theres a gts wagon

DDSSVE

13-07-2007, 07:41 PM

Dont sound very likely

geary

13-07-2007, 10:27 PM

I was talking to a dude from holden at work today apparently theres a gts wagon

That would be my dream ride

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/holden-hsvgtswagon.htm

PhilXR8

13-07-2007, 10:51 PM

That would be my dream ride

haha thats sweet. I'd defintly park that in my garage next to a typhoon.

Hjs2

14-07-2007, 01:13 AM

Dont sound very likely

duno man said he ahd sene the presale pics.

ITS5.7

14-07-2007, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=`redoctober;966115]Go further back mate, I already did one like that. :yup:

If it looks like this I would be happy

DDSSVE

14-07-2007, 08:18 PM

duno man said he ahd sene the presale pics.

Would be nice, hopefully true. SS wagon would prob be my next V8 with kids on the cards if they make em.:bow:

Or a AU wagon with 1 mil ks when all my spare coin goes on nappies!:bawl:

v8mumbo

17-07-2007, 05:38 PM

My patience with Holden has just about worn out.

My V8 wagon is overdue for replacment.

Its about time Holden announced some dates officially so potential buyers can plan, instead of p**sing us off!

HSVMAN

18-07-2007, 06:17 AM

BadMac

18-07-2007, 07:07 AM

End of first quarter 2008 - from the horse's mouth :)

Have you seen it Paul?

HSVMAN

18-07-2007, 07:16 AM

Have you seen it Paul?

No mate only seen the ute, had a talk to couple chiefs last week and got the lowdown on several new models up to early 09... At least new models that we already expect.... so nothing too exciting to announce.

shane W Z

19-07-2007, 01:48 PM

End of first quarter 2008 - from the horse's mouth :)

so that's about march next year right? which is MIM (melbourne) Show time? or am i confusing myself

seangell

29-07-2007, 11:46 AM

Hi everyone.I have just moved to Adeliade this past week and in my travels around the place i drove past the holden plant and saw what i believed was new wagon shells sitting on hooks outside of the plant, similar to how the utes were shown a few months back, i didn't have time to turn around and get pics but went back past a few days later and they had gone! Shame!

Canters

29-07-2007, 12:51 PM

Is this what youare talking about?

Well Holden are advertising limited run Z series wagons and utes, I dare say to help clear stocks. The only reason why you would want to hurry stock along is to make way for a new model...

And of course, dont forget this...

http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07165/wagon001_adj-sml.JPG

seangell

29-07-2007, 06:34 PM

They could have been old series wagon, except as that says above the limited edition are to clear stocks (of already built wagons i would presume?). this were bare frame sides, on the hooks like the ute pictured here: http:||i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/hiace24/IMGP1826.jpg and http:||i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/hiace24/IMGP1825.jpg
(remove || and replace it with // after http: )
Same area of the factory too i think...