Brock HDT Which models are pure Brock

[matthewfnorbert]

Brock HDT Which models are pure Brock

Of all the models which ones are the most desirable and why?
And which ones have the most brocky soul?

thanks

[GMMAD]

vk group a group 3 only 49 made, love the vk group a's they are a very tuff looking car

[HSVQUE]

Vk Group A's and VL Group A's have the most soul I recon.. Id love a VK Brock even a base model SS.. when i find some room to keep one.

[hdt493]

mate, gotta be the vc. where it all began....
my oponion is bias tho...

[HSVQUE]

Yeah VC Brocks are cool I just hate the standard Irmscher wheels lol

[2001 ITR]

I don’t think that HDT were too happy with the base 4.2 VH SS that “didn’t see the inside of their workshop” so work backwards from there. Some of the 5.6 Strokers and the group 3’s would be “more Brock” I guess.

Is a VL Group A “plus pack” more Brock than a stock Group A? Well it had the polarizer but it also had his signature on it.

Some of the personal road cars would be “more Brock” and I’d personally rate the VH Monza coupe very highly.

VC & VK Group A for sure. Probably the SS Commodores above the 6's and Turbos and maybe even the Magnums (Statesmans).

[nqcv8]

Hard to go past the VL director, way ahead of its time and also being credited with the reason holden severed the relationship.

230kw Stroker, with TH700 and I.R.S.

here (http://www.brock05.com/reenergized.php)


Cheers

Sean

[matthewfnorbert]

where does the VL Calais SPORT by HDT with V8 fit in?

[OLS108]

Hard to go past the VL director, way ahead of its time and also being credited with the reason holden severed the relationship.

230kw Stroker, with TH700 and I.R.S.

here (http://www.brock05.com/reenergized.php)


Cheers

Sean

Couldnt agree more, only 7 made from memory as well.
But anything Genuine Brock is something to hold onto IMO.

[vyss2ute]

Hard to go past the VL director, way ahead of its time and also being credited with the reason holden severed the relationship.

230kw Stroker, with TH700 and I.R.S.


And very, very limited build....only 10 VL Aero/Director cars exist (happy to be corrected!). The Rarest of the rare is the HDT VL AERO BATHURST with only 2 ever built, one manual (T5G Walky box) and an auto.
I would reckon that the Director would have to take the cake for being the HDT car with the most soul, hell they even marketed it with the slogan "BODY BY HOLDEN - SOUL OF BROCK

Adam

[maloo_]

What about the EA Brock ........ NOT

[nqcv8]

where does the VL Calais SPORT by HDT with V8 fit in?

I am pretty sure they were kits fitted by the dealer.

Cheers

Sean

[maloo_]

Pretty sure Brocks personal favorite was the VH Group 111.

[nqcv8]

And very, very limited build....only 10 VL Aero/Director cars exist (happy to be corrected!). The Rarest of the rare is the HDT VL AERO BATHURST with only 2 ever built, one manual (T5G Walky box) and an auto.
I would reckon that the Director would have to take the cake for being the HDT car with the most soul, hell they even marketed it with the slogan "BODY BY HOLDEN - SOUL OF BROCK

Adam

wasnt there only 3 or 4 Directors made?

The Director was only known as the Calais Director i believe the Aero was a different model.



Models:
HDT SS Group A
HDT SS Group Three
Corsa
Calais LE
Calais Director
Bathurst
Bathurst Aero


Cheers

Sean

[maloo_]

HDT made 9 VL director's

[nqcv8]

HDT made 9 VL director's

Thanks Maloo

Do you know how many are still accounted for?

Cheers

Sean

[maloo_]

Not sure, there were 3 or 4 at Brocks Sandown memorial. My mate Mario at Autotechnique did at resto on one a few years back.

[spanks]

Vk Group A's and VL Group A's have the most soul I recon.. Id love a VK Brock even a base model SS.. when i find some room to keep one.

Couldn't agree more....

[vyss2ute]

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/vyss2ute/director.jpg

Pure Brock.....

*EDIT* Just been doing some research and can confirm maloo on 9 being built for registerable sale and 2 built for press/"world tests" with different external trims (LE kit)

Found here... (http://www.brockcommodores.com/Fact%20Files/vldirector.htm)

[ORIGINL]

whats the HDT build number of your car...


I will tell you if it is a BROCK HDT vehicle, or just a plan HDT (as is mine)

[planetdavo]

What about the EA Brock ........ NOT
Brock Samara? :hide:
He sure lost the plot for a few years there.....

[maloo_]

Brock Samara? :hide:
He sure lost the plot for a few years there.....

And dont forget the Lada

[Marco]

whats the HDT build number of your car...


I will tell you if it is a BROCK HDT vehicle, or just a plan HDT (as is mine)

What's the difference between a Brock HDT vehicle and a plain HDT? I would have thought any HDT vehicle built while Brock owned the company would be a Brock HDT?

[Swordie]

VK Group A. It won Bathurst, Brock's favourite and the best of the HDT’s. If you can get one they will appreciate quite well into the future, they will become nearly desirable as a Phase III in the longer term.

[Vulture]

Hard to go past the VL director, way ahead of its time and also being credited with the reason holden severed the relationship.

230kw Stroker, with TH700 and I.R.S.

here (http://www.brock05.com/reenergized.php)


Cheers

Sean

A good read there. Shame, since those things were some of the ugliest cars ever to be be called "Brock" :hide: They looked pretty crock at the time but have aged even more poorly :hide: The VK on the other hand :thumbsup:

[spank]

imho the vk group a from the point of view it was a more personal car to brock with racing purposes in mind, where i beleive his real passions lay.
the slogan body by holden.soul by brock was used in all of the VK series of cars adds

[O5BRKY]

I'm bias, VK Calais Director;)

[andy15762003]

two words has it all


Blue Meanie!


VK Group A

[O5BRKY]

Yeah the Blue meanie & Red rocket plus pack are certainly the hens teeth, but as said I love the VK Calais
Director!!:love:

[Sketchy]

What about the EA Brock ........ NOT

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I think everyone would be happy to forget the EA.


Its the VC brock for me.

[Pickles]

VK Group A. It won Bathurst, Brock's favourite and the best of the HDT’s. If you can get one they will appreciate quite well into the future, they will become nearly desirable as a Phase III in the longer term.
Incorrect my friend. The VK group A, whilst probably being the "iconic" Brock car, & the vehicle which most people think of when they think Brock Commodores, was certainly not PB's favourite. In actual fact, he didn't really like the VK Group A, which was built to a set of homologation rules for Group A racing. Peter thought the car was too harsh. His favourite car, was the VL group 111 Signature Series.
Cheers, Pickles.

[RIDE:42]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I think everyone would be happy to forget the EA.


Its the VC brock for me.

there is a rusty knocked around one in mill park (vic) that should be distroyed

[Swordie]

Incorrect my friend. The VK group A, whilst probably being the "iconic" Brock car, & the vehicle which most people think of when they think Brock Commodores, was certainly not PB's favourite. In actual fact, he didn't really like the VK Group A, which was built to a set of homologation rules for Group A racing. Peter thought the car was too harsh. His favourite car, was the VL group 111 Signature Series.
Cheers, Pickles.


He quoted the VK as his favorite when interviewed for TV. It may depend which source you quote.

[Pickles]

He quoted the VK as his favorite when interviewed for TV. It may depend which source you quote.

Fair enough. I'd actually known PB for well over 30 years--he could be very "diplomatic" too when he wanted to be! Anyway, his favourite RACECAR was certainly a VK, & that was the "LAST OF THE BIG BANGERS", the last of the Group C cars, painted in the Marlboro colours incorporating the very bright "dayglo" red.
But back to your post--I'm going back to the many many discussions I've had with the "Great Man" over the years, & PB always thought the VL Group 111 Signature Series was his favourite, as this was the first car he had put together without any influence from Holden.
I might add, it's not my favourite, & I've owned several 'Brocks", a VK Group A, VL Group A Plus Pack, & a beautiful black VK Calais Director, & two of these cars were fitted with polarisers, which PB organised for me.
I think the VH group 111 is an excellent model, it is frequently referred to as the model "with the most of Brocky in it"-- That would of course be up until the demise of the Holden partnership.
Cheers, Pickles.

[CV860L]

He quoted the VK as his favorite when interviewed for TV. It may depend which source you quote.

I have heard him mention on 2 occasions that the VL was his favourite road car and on another interview (I think at Goodwood) that the VK was his Favourite race car.
Like everyone I'm sure his favourites changed over the years.

[Swordie]

I have heard him mention on 2 occasions that the VL was his favourite road car and on another interview (I think at Goodwood) that the VK was his Favourite race car.
Like everyone I'm sure his favourites changed over the years.


Reflecting back on the interview the question was aimed at his favorite race car being the VK (I think). If it was purely which HDT for road use, then that’s another issue. It may well be the VL.

[gasguz]

To be honest I would own any 1 of the fine vehicles to be made by Brocky/HDT.

[IIV8II]

Pretty sure Brocks personal favorite was the VH Group 111.

Nah, he told me he liked the VL SS Gp A Plus Pack (not the walky!) the best

[maloo_]

Anyway they are all pretty special.

[O5BRKY]

Anyway they are all pretty special.

EXACTLY-Pedigree and heritage, unlike todays' :wave:

[Swordie]

Fair enough. I'd actually known PB for well over 30 years--he could be very "diplomatic" too when he wanted to be! Anyway, his favourite RACECAR was certainly a VK, & that was the "LAST OF THE BIG BANGERS", the last of the Group C cars, painted in the Marlboro colours incorporating the very bright "dayglo" red.
But back to your post--I'm going back to the many many discussions I've had with the "Great Man" over the years, & PB always thought the VL Group 111 Signature Series was his favourite, as this was the first car he had put together without any influence from Holden.
I might add, it's not my favourite, & I've owned several 'Brocks", a VK Group A, VL Group A Plus Pack, & a beautiful black VK Calais Director, & two of these cars were fitted with polarisers, which PB organised for me.
I think the VH group 111 is an excellent model, it is frequently referred to as the model "with the most of Brocky in it"-- That would of course be up until the demise of the Holden partnership.
Cheers, Pickles.

You have had some nice cars over the years. PB would have been an interesting character to talk to.

[Calais V 6.0]

VC Brock for me. I love every aspect of them So much character! Not the best driving car out of the pack but you don’t care about all that stuff when you look at it and sit in one. The ducks nuts….:thumbsup:

[spank]

i had a red manual vc brock in red, all original, even the radio, i only drove it once when i test drove before purchase, a mate drove it home for me and it sat in my garage until i sold it a couple of years later, every time i see it at a car show i think i should have kept it

[Pickles]

You have had some nice cars over the years. PB would have been an interesting character to talk to.

Yes, PB was "an interesting character"! He was so many things to so many people. And, those of you who have spoken to him would remember how he looked at you with those piercing dark eyes, & you just knew he was talking to YOU.
There was a lot more to Brock than cars. At some of the more recent times that I saw him, people would invariably ask him about his "Brock" commodores, or some other past event, but he wasn't really interested in those things. He would much rather talk about what he was going to be doing tomorrow, or at some other time in the future. And all this at 62 years of age--he wasn't even thinking of slowing down--he was enjoying every new challenge that his life had to offer-which makes his demise so sad.
Actually, I can still feel his presence. Peter was a very spiritual person, & that spirit has not, in my opinion, gone away.
I do not like to see "R.I.P." applied to PB--it's simply not appropriate--if you knew Peter, you'd know that he wouldn't be "resting in peace" anywhere--he'd be out there, somewhere, someplace, doing something, making the most of his time--in his own words-"having a red hot go!". So for me, the appropriate words are "THE SPIRIT LIVES ON"--simply because,--IT DOES.
Sorry for the rant.
Cheers, Pickles.

[O5BRKY]

R.I.P= Racing In Progress

[JRY 88]

I'd say VK group A. Mate from bris had a white one, completely original. Purchased new by his parents.
Was stolen 2 days after brocky's passing.. lowlife scum.

[Pickles]

R.I.P= Racing In Progress

In that context--Yes!!!---(I hadn't heard that one!)--well said.
Cheers, Pickles.

[O5BRKY]

yeah I like The Spirit Lives On, just like The Legend Grows, one.

[VZ clubsport r8]

I think every brock commo had his heart and soul in it.The ss range was for the conservative and budget buyer,then the group A's & 3's were for the real petrol head,and the director's & aero's were for the buisness people who wanted some performance,and at the end of the day the bigger the cheque book the more options Brocky could fit.I love the man he was a true gentleman with a passion for performance. R.I.P. bro.

[spotty]

vk group A or the blue meanie i think is the best ,just had that ive got balls look about it .came across one about a 6 month ago had 40 thou on the clock in this guys shed never been in the rain ,i asked his misses do you think he might sell as the husband was at work .her reply may be ,hed be asking about 40000 week latter brocky dies there goes that cheap price

[club285]

Must be the VH group three as I have owned one from new.

[Carby]

The WB Statesman became a Brock Fav - it had, Traumatic auto, Group 3 Commodore motor, Bilsteins, a bit of badging and a leather Momo, Momo mags and it became the Magnum!!:love:

[VY18s]

When I think of Brocks, the blue meanie is the first to pop in my head, and then the VL SS Group A.

Aside from that, I think all Brocks have their own persona, and character. I'd die just to go for a drive in one, let alone own one.

[O5BRKY]

When I think of Brocks, the blue meanie is the first to pop in my head, and then the VL SS Group A.

Aside from that, I think all Brocks have their own persona, and character. I'd die just to go for a drive in one, let alone own one.

Very true, luckily I do have one.

[BLOWN]

I'd say VK group A. Mate from bris had a white one, completely original. Purchased new by his parents. White Group A? - they were all blue

Anything up to build number 4246 is a brock, anything after that is simply a modified car
000 is the blue VC test car and 4246 was a black VH

Although you have to view the original build sheet from the year it was made, not a current copy as HDT have "upgraded" a few cars

[brett05]

White Group A? - they were all blue

Not quite true. All VK SS Group A's were formula blue. There were also VK SL Group A's which came in white. Not sure on numbers though.

Cheers, Brett

[BLOWN]

Not quite true. All VK SS Group A's were formula blue. There were also VK SL Group A's which came in white. I know about the SLs but he didnt say it was an SL

[O5BRKY]

Alpine White, Red, Asteroid Silver and Walton's Blue

[Magnum]

Pure Brock is my one and only HDT Peter Brock Built WB Magnum Caprice super ute.

The only known original ute that brock built.

Cheers Magnum